[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > feste37@ writes: > > > > > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! > > > > > > I think she's hot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. > > > > > > > Sharon Stone thinks kids should offer their boy/girfriends oral sex > in > > lieu of genital intercourse. > > > > Do you think this is wrong? > I think it's wrong only because there was no one giving advice like that when I was in school. Not fair! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 6:55:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, > how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it > take? > > > > Did I say anything about Bob? > What about Bob? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very > > hot about 20 years ago. > > > > Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more > > like Boxer and Pelosi. > > > > That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. > > > > Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. > > Shemp, are you channeling Paris Hilton? > Hope not, can't stand her... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/8/06 1:54 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: > > > > > I smell it. > > > > > > Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be > moving > > > to this Kansas town. > > > > > > Anyone agree? > > > > I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants > MUM there > > without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a > fortune to > > build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new > construction > > here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether > anything will > > actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will > occupy it? > > > > So various Peace Palaces haven't already been built? The recerted > teachers in various other places haven't leased office space for the > Maharishi Enlightenment Centers? The mall idea has apparently been > exchnaged for something cheaper and more professional-looking anyway > in case you were wondering... > Those buildings - is anything happening in them? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But has anything really changed in Great Britian since the TMO > officially withdrew? > > JohnY > http://tinyurl.com/zoq53 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 2:26:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there > without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to > build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction > here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will > actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? > > > > > > I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do > something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if > meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was > interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was > flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC? > But has anything really changed in Great Britian since the TMO officially withdrew? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Why middle America is empty...
"In our national consciousness, America is a land of perpetual growth. But for the past half-century or more, much of the middle of the country has been slowly, quietly emptying out. A few people left, then more and more, until it started to resemble an organized exodus. For a while, it looked as if the area might indeed one day resemble the Great American Desert it was mistakenly labeled on early maps." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/magazine/09dakota.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The TMO Holy Tradition
Family Photos? Hey, this is precious. Some pictures are worth a thousand words & this one is one of those seeming to say a lot. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/328a?b=2 So, is this one about Maharishi's nephew being now in the `Holy Tradition' or just being a major shareholder in the picture? What do the TB'rs of the TMO think about this one? Forging ahead, a pensive quiet and `mum' seems mostly to be the word. For lack of anything else that more clearly shows how thing are, this picture seems pretty transparent. Any P&L statements been published anywhere for the TMO recently? Seems like a lot of pure profit in recent years. Balance statements? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/94232 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/328a?b=2 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 10:11 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. > > Yes, thats the example I was referring to. > > But upon reflection, various pujas and homas also create a strong > "darshan" atmosphere. Many people and situations can do it. Whatever generates subtle energy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 9:57 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Failing all that, each darshana does have it's own internal logic to > it. Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? Not lately. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme > reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. By whom? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? No, but some how I feel exactly as if I have. The words bring a detailed image to mind. And the Gelukpa monks is not a bad model. Using the fine discrimination of the intellect to bring out subtle points and distinctions. Or the Socratic model. Asking questions, participating in the dialectic can be quite enlivening. Was Socrates wrong in saying it leads to the highest knowledge, to "Know Thyself"? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 10:05:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, many analysts believe that Iran has become MORE radicalized since we invaded Iraq, so any increase in perceived threat will only make them harder to deal with, or so the thinking goes. Iran has been "radicalized" since the Ayatolla Assawhola took over. They have been state sponsors of terrorism since their revolution. But I guess if we just held their hands and sang Kumbhaya we could all chill and be friends To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:51 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > > > > following point > > > > as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being > > > > discussed is > > > > secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. > > It's as > > > > profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've > > participated > > > > by phone > > > > a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I > > can > > > > tell, > > > > that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that > > has a > > > > lot to > > > > do with their being many people in the room in various stages of > > > > genuine > > > > awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle > > > > inward, > > > > while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, > > is a > > > > sort of > > > > a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly > > > > shifted each > > > > time, and the effect lasts for days. > > > > > > Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not > > > limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that > > > might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work > > > with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were > > live > > > over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. > > > > Puja's an example. A most profound darshan. > > > The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. Yes, thats the example I was referring to. But upon reflection, various pujas and homas also create a strong "darshan" atmosphere. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme > reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. Seems to me that this points out another aspect of why the TMO discourages casual discussion of experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 9:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > It might also be intentionally leaked to scare the crap out of > Iranians also. > > > > It's usually considered unwise to scare religious fanatics... > > > > > Not just the religious fanatics. But anybody that might be considering a > coup d'etat to hurry and get along with it. This could very well be a motivating > tactic to get all involved, overtly and covertly, in pushing Iran to its > senses. I really smell a rat since it's Hersch of Abu Graib fame that writes > this article. I think he's being used by the administration to get the Iranian's > attention. > Of course, many analysts believe that Iran has become MORE radicalized since we invaded Iraq, so any increase in perceived threat will only make them harder to deal with, or so the thinking goes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 9:17:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Anybody think Cynthia McKinney is hot? > > > > She can be cute, depending on the photo: > > > > I know somebody that might be able to fix you up with Maxine Waters. > Eh, I don't think she takes as good a picture as Cynthia McKinney can, to be honest. http://images.google.com/images?q=maxine+waters&hl=en Since we seem to be limited to discussions of black women for some reason, I guess I think Hale Barry and the others listed here are more photogenic: http://www.hottitude.com/?page_id=76 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/8/06 9:29 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > experience, > and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent > share > your > concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > serious doubts > about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, > etc., > can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are > experiencing some > very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more > >> advanced. > >>> > >>> Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here > (or > >>> off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. > Anything's > >>> possible. > >> > >> And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge > others' > >> subjective states from their attempts to express the inexpressible > >> in words. > > > > Well partially. If you've spent a lot of time around non-dual, > > realized teachers who transmit that state by their very presence > (and > > really we are all transmitting our own states, all of the time) you > > learn that presence. It's absolutely unmistakable. And of course > long > > term meditators do develop not only intuition, but other "psychic" > > abilities as well. > > Sure, but I was referring to our ability to judge what state people > like Jim > Flanigan might be in based upon his posts in a chat group. That's not > "spending a lot of time around" him. Also, a teacher has a special > dharma > and skill. He can transmit. It's part of his job description. > Couldn't a > non-teacher - someone with a different dharma - be in an equal > state of > attainment yet not be able to transmit or describe that to others > very well? *Anything's* possible. Certain things are more probable. We are all transmitting our states, all of the time. Is it possible that someone authentically residing in the non-dual state could not *consciously* transmit their state to others? Sure. But not very probable IMO. Since we all transmit our states all the time, it's not necessary--esp. if the "listener" knows how to rest in that state himself. And there's the rub. Like *is* attracted to like. Failing all that, each darshana does have it's own internal logic to it. Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 9:39:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > +++ If 4-16 goes down like the rumor a while back, it shouldn't be a > hard sell- same as Iraq-maybe easier. N. > > > > Is That the Nuclear bomb on the ship in the Houston ship channel? > +++ That was the rumor- if it turned out to be right, it would make quite an impression. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:51 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > > > following point > > > as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being > > > discussed is > > > secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. > It's as > > > profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've > participated > > > by phone > > > a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I > can > > > tell, > > > that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that > has a > > > lot to > > > do with their being many people in the room in various stages of > > > genuine > > > awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle > > > inward, > > > while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, > is a > > > sort of > > > a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly > > > shifted each > > > time, and the effect lasts for days. > > > > Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not > > limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that > > might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work > > with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were > live > > over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. > > Puja's an example. A most profound darshan. The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 9:39:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > +++ If 4-16 goes down like the rumor a while back, it shouldn't be a > hard sell- same as Iraq-maybe easier. N. > > > > Is That the Nuclear bomb on the ship in the Houston ship channel? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > > following point > > as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being > > discussed is > > secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. It's as > > profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've participated > > by phone > > a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I can > > tell, > > that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that has a > > lot to > > do with their being many people in the room in various stages of > > genuine > > awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle > > inward, > > while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, is a > > sort of > > a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly > > shifted each > > time, and the effect lasts for days. > > Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not > limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that > might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work > with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were live > over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. Puja's an example. A most profound darshan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > > following point > > as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being > > discussed is > > secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. It's as > > profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've participated > > by phone > > a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I can > > tell, > > that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that has a > > lot to > > do with their being many people in the room in various stages of > > genuine > > awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle > > inward, > > while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, is a > > sort of > > a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly > > shifted each > > time, and the effect lasts for days. > > Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not > limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that > might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work > with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were live > over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. There are several saints I have never met, and several that I have, I just need to think of them -- in "THAT" way, and its a most profound darshan. Some living, some "passed". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 8:26 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Anyone can use any words. MMY used to laugh at the Book Cosmic > > Consciousness (Burke?) and say the samething, "anyone can say > > anything, any words, it means nothing." > > > > The words may be valid, or they may be wishful thinking, > > peer-ifluenced testimonials, or more manifest fabrications to > > substantiate the myth of individuality. Who knows. And, to what extent > > does it matter? > > You may be right of course, but since, to my knowledge, you've never even > phoned in, you're conjecturing. I am not conjecturing the satsangs are either great or moodmaking group dynamics. I am open that either is possible, and possibly a mix of the two. > You don't know what we're talking about > there. You only know a few of the people who attend from their participation > here. See above. > > It seems that all one really say from listening to experiences of > > another is some variation on the following themes i) "yes, that sounds > > like what I have experienced", ii) "that sounds odd, it does not > > describe my experience of that, but sounds more like wishful thinking > > based on current or classical lingo" iii) the person does not exhibit > > the qualities that they say are characteristics of their state, or iv) > > "I don't have any experience that corresponds to what is being > > described, it sounds resonable, maybe its a clear eperience and > > interpretation of such, maybe its not". > > I think I've cycled through all 4 of those in the satsangs, and still do. > It's not important for me to ascertain with certainty how genuine each > person's experience is, and how could I? Something good is happening, Well, something good is happening everywhere. But if you cannot ascertain with certainty how genuine each person's experience is, (not saying you should), then its possible that many experiences are not real but peer-induced affirmation of expectations and wishes (and possible its a room of fully realized gyanis) then its possible its a mirage. I have felt transformed at various church services -- and have felt was less so some time after. I believe you have stated the same possibilities about MMY's darshan, "It was extremely profound and transforming" and paraphrasing "Maybe I was thinking it should be and created the illusion that it was" > which > shouldn't be surprising in a room of 35 people who have been diligently > practicing sadhanas for decades. I have found the atmosphre of 35 new initiates to be profound. But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. > >>> Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > >>> experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to > >>> some extent share > >>> your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > >>> serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like > >>> Jim, Dr. Pete, > >>> etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, > > > > Who is saying the eperiences can't possibly be real? If themes ii-iii > > apply, it may raise skepticism, or at least some legitimate questions. > > Why should quesions not be asked in those conditions (themes ii-iii). > > I don't think Vaj thinks they're not real. I would guess Vaj holds "not real" as a possibility. Vaj? > I think he feel that the > profundity of these people's experience, coupled with inadequate guidance > and understanding, cause them to mistake preliminary or intermediate stages > of attainment for more advanced or final ones. He may be right. Or not. I'm > not qualified to say, but I enjoy thinking about it. That is more my guess, if Ihad to. Not saying it applies to all or even most, but there is little reason to expect someone, anyone,everyone, to interpret their eperiences "correctly" (an odd statement,but hopeful the intended meaning comes through.) > > Your point sounds like the first verse of the longer, odd refrain > > sometimes sung here that "you are saying the experiences can't > > possibly be real because you have never had any experiences and are > > bitter and jealous". > > Nope. Not saying that. I know. I was just taking a short detour to make a related point about talking about and questioning experiences. > > He's not saying they're not real. Just that they may not be as advanced is > the people think they are. I would guess he is open to both possibilities and a mix of each. Vaj? > > >Second, questions are valid if themes ii-iii apply. Third, > > the reasons questions are asked , or points of oddness cited, is > > precisely because they contradict personal experience -- in the case > > of theme ii. > > Yup. > > > > > >>> or are > >>> experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for > >>> something more advanced. > > > > Always a p
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
No, Bob, it failed because it was a thoroughly dumb idea which would not have benefited anyone significantly, but which a number of rus who don't seem to have much of anything else to do were trying to use to, once again, stir up trouble and get the town council and anyone else they could to focus all their attention on themselves. When that failed, they then tried to get back by not passing the SILO tax, which, happily, passed last year, despite a concerted campaign to try and make it fail. The people running these silly campaigns sure know how to tear down what others have worked hard to create, but have pitifully few ideas on what to put in their place. And incidentally, the one ru on the town council did nothing to my knowledge to actually try and research the subject, to find out what the actual costs vs benefits would have been. That was left to another member, who went way out of his way to find out those things, and, AFAIK, never even got so much as a thank-you from anyone who had been pushing it. Sal On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:52 PM, bob_brigante wrote: It's called bloc voting: all the meditators backed their guy, while the townies, who probably didn't much care one way or the other, since turnout is low for Fairfield elections, split their votes among non- rus. And even with bloc voting, the mayor is really only just another vote on the city council, on which rus are outnumbered (I don't recall the exact numbers). The Jefferson County board of supervisors has zero rus, so the political clout of rus is limited. For instance, although the mayor and rus wanted the train whistle stopped, the city council voted against this because it would cost too much money to do the workaround with the train folks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 9:39:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +++ If 4-16 goes down like the rumor a while back, it shouldn't be ahard sell- same as Iraq-maybe easier. N. Is That the Nuclear bomb on the ship in the Houston ship channel? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 9:29 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > >> on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more >> advanced. >>> >>> Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here (or >>> off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. Anything's >>> possible. >> >> And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge others' >> subjective states from their attempts to express the inexpressible >> in words. > > Well partially. If you've spent a lot of time around non-dual, > realized teachers who transmit that state by their very presence (and > really we are all transmitting our own states, all of the time) you > learn that presence. It's absolutely unmistakable. And of course long > term meditators do develop not only intuition, but other "psychic" > abilities as well. Sure, but I was referring to our ability to judge what state people like Jim Flanigan might be in based upon his posts in a chat group. That's not "spending a lot of time around" him. Also, a teacher has a special dharma and skill. He can transmit. It's part of his job description. Couldn't a non-teacher - someone with a different dharma - be in an equal state of attainment yet not be able to transmit or describe that to others very well? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 9:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It might also be intentionally leaked to scare the crap out of Iranians also.>It's usually considered unwise to scare religious fanatics... Not just the religious fanatics. But anybody that might be considering a coup d'etat to hurry and get along with it. This could very well be a motivating tactic to get all involved, overtly and covertly, in pushing Iran to its senses. I really smell a rat since it's Hersch of Abu Graib fame that writes this article. I think he's being used by the administration to get the Iranian's attention. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > anonyff@ writes: > > > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > > > Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > > > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of > scenarios that might involve the United States military from > > hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. > > This one's apparently so serious that the Joint Chiefs > of Staff is so strenuously against it that some have > threatened to resign if it goes forward, according to > Hersh. > > That's unlikely to have been a reaction just to a > contingency plan. > +++ If 4-16 goes down like the rumor a while back, it shouldn't be a hard sell- same as Iraq-maybe easier. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 9:25 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > >> I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your >> following point >> as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being >> discussed is >> secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. It's as >> profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've participated >> by phone >> a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I can >> tell, >> that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that has a >> lot to >> do with their being many people in the room in various stages of >> genuine >> awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle >> inward, >> while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, is a >> sort of >> a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly >> shifted each >> time, and the effect lasts for days. > > Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not > limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that > might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work > with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were live > over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. Some of the diksha people give diksha that way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 9:17:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anybody think Cynthia McKinney is hot?>She can be cute, depending on the photo: I know somebody that might be able to fix you up with Maxine Waters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > >> experience, > >> and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share > >> your > >> concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > >> serious doubts > >> about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, > >> etc., > >> can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are > >> experiencing some > >> very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more > advanced. > > > > Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here (or > > off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. Anything's > > possible. > > And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge others' > subjective states from their attempts to express the inexpressible > in words. Well partially. If you've spent a lot of time around non-dual, realized teachers who transmit that state by their very presence (and really we are all transmitting our own states, all of the time) you learn that presence. It's absolutely unmistakable. And of course long term meditators do develop not only intuition, but other "psychic" abilities as well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > following point > as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being > discussed is > secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. It's as > profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've participated > by phone > a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I can > tell, > that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that has a > lot to > do with their being many people in the room in various stages of > genuine > awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle > inward, > while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, is a > sort of > a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly > shifted each > time, and the effect lasts for days. Well I should point out that genuine non-dual darshan is really not limited by distance--or for that matter even time (as hard as that might be to believe). In fact I can tell you with one master I work with, some of the most profound transmissions I've received were live over a phone line. Bizarre but true. It truly is beyond limits. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
Hi Anon: On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:26 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > It seems that all one really say from listening to experiences of > another is some variation on the following themes i) "yes, that sounds > like what I have experienced", ii) "that sounds odd, it does not > describe my experience of that, but sounds more like wishful thinking > based on current or classical lingo" iii) the person does not exhibit > the qualities that they say are characteristics of their state, or iv) > "I don't have any experience that corresponds to what is being > described, it sounds resonable, maybe its a clear eperience and > interpretation of such, maybe its not". My problem with satsang culture was that all the experiences they were describing, I was already experientially familiar with them. It's not something I would usually talk about. I was left with an overwhelming sense of disappointment to be perfectly honest. That's not to say the atmosphere was not warm and friendly--and the people quite nice--they were. For example, some of the experiences were clear experiences of emptiness--but the extrapolations and conclusions of what they thought it was was quite grandiose IMO. Again, that's just my opinion, but one informed by a lot of first hand interaction with teachers. > This to me is an example of theme iii. Jim appears to imply that he > has obtained a perfected intellect. (Perhaps not, perhaps he meant > something other than this interpretation.) If its the former, it > raises questions, in that a number of jim's posts, IMO, appear to be > from someone not with a perfected intellect. Its fair grounds for > questions, IMO. The issue I had--and why I did not want to go into a long explanation and then the following arguments--was that I was describing (in maybe not the best words or language) was something beyond mind, objects-- mental, translucent intellect, etc.--so a response that gave an answer before that clear light state, there was nothing constructive to add. You're either beyond location and time or not. The two have pretty distinctive landmarks. Once you've pierced the "point" so to speak, it's literally a different world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 8:30:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > This one's apparently so serious that the Joint Chiefs > of Staff is so strenuously against it that some have > threatened to resign if it goes forward, according to > Hersh. > > That's unlikely to have been a reaction just to a > contingency plan. > > > > It might also be intentionally leaked to scare the crap out of Iranians also. > It's usually considered unwise to scare religious fanatics... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 7:07:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very > > hot about 20 years ago. > > > > Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more > > like Boxer and Pelosi. > > > > That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. > > > > Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. > > > > Raquel Welch is still hot. > > > > Anybody think Cynthia McKinney is hot? > She can be cute, depending on the photo: http://images.google.com/images?q=Cynthia+McKinney To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 8:26 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > based >>> Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our >>> Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to >>> your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. > > I thought Vaj had done that, at least listened in, He has listened in; never spoken himself. >and found it heavy > in group-think. I don't recall his commenting on his impression of the group. > > Thus why would sitting in on Satsangs prove to be world view shaking? I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your following point as well, and that is that for me, the content of what is being discussed is secondary to the atmosphere that gets generated in the room. It's as profound as any darshan experience I've ever had. I've participated by phone a few times and it was perhaps 1/10th as effective. As far as I can tell, that atmosphere is getting generated by a group dynamics that has a lot to do with their being many people in the room in various stages of genuine awakening. Sitting in that atmosphere, allowing myself to settle inward, while keeping the intellect lively on what is being discussed, is a sort of a sanyama process which I find very potent. I feel profoundly shifted each time, and the effect lasts for days. > Anyone can use any words. MMY used to laugh at the Book Cosmic > Consciousness (Burke?) and say the samething, "anyone can say > anything, any words, it means nothing." > > The words may be valid, or they may be wishful thinking, > peer-ifluenced testimonials, or more manifest fabrications to > substantiate the myth of individuality. Who knows. And, to what extent > does it matter? You may be right of course, but since, to my knowledge, you've never even phoned in, you're conjecturing. You don't know what we're talking about there. You only know a few of the people who attend from their participation here. > > It seems that all one really say from listening to experiences of > another is some variation on the following themes i) "yes, that sounds > like what I have experienced", ii) "that sounds odd, it does not > describe my experience of that, but sounds more like wishful thinking > based on current or classical lingo" iii) the person does not exhibit > the qualities that they say are characteristics of their state, or iv) > "I don't have any experience that corresponds to what is being > described, it sounds resonable, maybe its a clear eperience and > interpretation of such, maybe its not". I think I've cycled through all 4 of those in the satsangs, and still do. It's not important for me to ascertain with certainty how genuine each person's experience is, and how could I? Something good is happening, which shouldn't be surprising in a room of 35 people who have been diligently practicing sadhanas for decades. > > > >>> Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and >>> experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to >>> some extent share >>> your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have >>> serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like >>> Jim, Dr. Pete, >>> etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, > > Who is saying the eperiences can't possibly be real? If themes ii-iii > apply, it may raise skepticism, or at least some legitimate questions. > Why should quesions not be asked in those conditions (themes ii-iii). I don't think Vaj thinks they're not real. I think he feel that the profundity of these people's experience, coupled with inadequate guidance and understanding, cause them to mistake preliminary or intermediate stages of attainment for more advanced or final ones. He may be right. Or not. I'm not qualified to say, but I enjoy thinking about it. > > Your point sounds like the first verse of the longer, odd refrain > sometimes sung here that "you are saying the experiences can't > possibly be real because you have never had any experiences and are > bitter and jealous". Nope. Not saying that. I know Vaj has had and continues to have all sorts of wonderful and genuine experiences, far surpassing mine, I'd wager. >Whew, thats always quite a blast of ego-twist and > distortion -- either purposeful or simply from an unclear mind. First, > I don't remember anyone here ever saying an experience can't possibly > be real. He's not saying they're not real. Just that they may not be as advanced is the people think they are. >Second, questions are valid if themes ii-iii apply. Third, > the reasons questions are asked , or points of oddness cited, is > precisely because they contradict personal experience -- in the case > of theme ii. Yup. > > >>> or are >>> experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for >>> somethin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 9:10:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one's apparently so serious that the Joint Chiefsof Staff is so strenuously against it that some havethreatened to resign if it goes forward, according to Hersh.That's unlikely to have been a reaction just to acontingency plan. It might also be intentionally leaked to scare the crap out of Iranians also. Disinformation can be just as powerful a tool and Bush said he would use it in the war on terror. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 8:30:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one's apparently so serious that the Joint Chiefsof Staff is so strenuously against it that some havethreatened to resign if it goes forward, according to Hersh.That's unlikely to have been a reaction just to acontingency plan. It might also be intentionally leaked to scare the crap out of Iranians also. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 7:07:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very > hot about 20 years ago.> > Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more > like Boxer and Pelosi.> > That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago.> > Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago.>Raquel Welch is still hot. Anybody think Cynthia McKinney is hot? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > based > > > Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our > > >Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to > > >your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. > > I thought Vaj had done that, at least listened in, and found it heavy > in group-think. It would seem, as observed in many group support > groups, some if not many, quickly become adept at mimicing the groups > themes and by doing so gain both subtle and more manifest cues and > encouragement. Not to say the satsangs necessarily manifest these > group dynamics, but nothing is evident as to why they would and do not. > > > > And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge > > > others'subjective states from their attempts to express the > > > inexpressible in words. > > Thus why would sitting in on Satsangs prove to be world view shaking? > Anyone can use any words. MMY used to laugh at the Book Cosmic > Consciousness (Burke?) and say the samething, "anyone can say > anything, any words, it means nothing." > > The words may be valid, or they may be wishful thinking, > peer-ifluenced testimonials, or more manifest fabrications to > substantiate the myth of individuality. Who knows. And, to what extent > does it matter? > > It seems that all one really say from listening to experiences of > another is some variation on the following themes i) "yes, that sounds > like what I have experienced", ii) "that sounds odd, it does not > describe my experience of that, but sounds more like wishful thinking > based on current or classical lingo" iii) the person does not exhibit > the qualities that they say are characteristics of their state, or iv) > "I don't have any experience that corresponds to what is being > described, it sounds resonable, maybe its a clear eperience and > interpretation of such, maybe its not". > > > > > > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > > > experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to > > > some extent share > > > your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > > > serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like > > > Jim, Dr. Pete, > > > etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, > > Who is saying the eperiences can't possibly be real? If themes ii- iii > apply, it may raise skepticism, or at least some legitimate questions. > Why should quesions not be asked in those conditions (themes ii- iii). > > Your point sounds like the first verse of the longer, odd refrain > sometimes sung here that "you are saying the experiences can't > possibly be real because you have never had any experiences and are > bitter and jealous". Whew, thats always quite a blast of ego-twist and > distortion -- either purposeful or simply from an unclear mind. First, > I don't remember anyone here ever saying an experience can't possibly > be real. Second, questions are valid if themes ii-iii apply. Third, > the reasons questions are asked , or points of oddness cited, is > precisely because they contradict personal experience -- in the case > of theme ii. > > > > >or are > > > experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for > > > something more advanced. > > Always a possibility. There are experiences and (mis) interpretations > of experiences. Two distinct things. > > > > on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: > > > > > Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here > > > (or off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. > > >Anything's possible. > > > And thus respectful questioning, and respectful answers (not attacking > the questioner as having low motives) seems productive. > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of > > > consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this > > >structure, independent of any external reference points, including > > > a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at > > >the intersection of past, future, and infinity. > > This to me is an example of theme iii. Jim appears to imply that he > has obtained a perfected intellect. (Perhaps not, perhaps he meant > something other than this interpretation.) If its the former, it > raises questions, in that a number of jim's posts, IMO, appear to be > from someone not with a perfected intellect. Its fair grounds for > questions, IMO. > > > > Good luck with that. > > Snide remarks are not really productive. > > > > your cynicism is underwhelming.. > > Neither are dismissive and superiority-attempting replies. > > > Its too bad straight forward questions can't be asked and answered. > For e
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that might involve the United States military from > hostage rescue situations all the way up to all out nuclear war. This one's apparently so serious that the Joint Chiefs of Staff is so strenuously against it that some have threatened to resign if it goes forward, according to Hersh. That's unlikely to have been a reaction just to a contingency plan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: based > > Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our > >Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to > >your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. I thought Vaj had done that, at least listened in, and found it heavy in group-think. It would seem, as observed in many group support groups, some if not many, quickly become adept at mimicing the groups themes and by doing so gain both subtle and more manifest cues and encouragement. Not to say the satsangs necessarily manifest these group dynamics, but nothing is evident as to why they would and do not. > > And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge > > others'subjective states from their attempts to express the > > inexpressible in words. Thus why would sitting in on Satsangs prove to be world view shaking? Anyone can use any words. MMY used to laugh at the Book Cosmic Consciousness (Burke?) and say the samething, "anyone can say anything, any words, it means nothing." The words may be valid, or they may be wishful thinking, peer-ifluenced testimonials, or more manifest fabrications to substantiate the myth of individuality. Who knows. And, to what extent does it matter? It seems that all one really say from listening to experiences of another is some variation on the following themes i) "yes, that sounds like what I have experienced", ii) "that sounds odd, it does not describe my experience of that, but sounds more like wishful thinking based on current or classical lingo" iii) the person does not exhibit the qualities that they say are characteristics of their state, or iv) "I don't have any experience that corresponds to what is being described, it sounds resonable, maybe its a clear eperience and interpretation of such, maybe its not". > > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > > experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to > > some extent share > > your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > > serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like > > Jim, Dr. Pete, > > etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, Who is saying the eperiences can't possibly be real? If themes ii-iii apply, it may raise skepticism, or at least some legitimate questions. Why should quesions not be asked in those conditions (themes ii-iii). Your point sounds like the first verse of the longer, odd refrain sometimes sung here that "you are saying the experiences can't possibly be real because you have never had any experiences and are bitter and jealous". Whew, thats always quite a blast of ego-twist and distortion -- either purposeful or simply from an unclear mind. First, I don't remember anyone here ever saying an experience can't possibly be real. Second, questions are valid if themes ii-iii apply. Third, the reasons questions are asked , or points of oddness cited, is precisely because they contradict personal experience -- in the case of theme ii. > >or are > > experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for > > something more advanced. Always a possibility. There are experiences and (mis)interpretations of experiences. Two distinct things. > on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here > > (or off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. > >Anything's possible. And thus respectful questioning, and respectful answers (not attacking the questioner as having low motives) seems productive. > On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of > > consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this > >structure, independent of any external reference points, including > > a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at > >the intersection of past, future, and infinity. This to me is an example of theme iii. Jim appears to imply that he has obtained a perfected intellect. (Perhaps not, perhaps he meant something other than this interpretation.) If its the former, it raises questions, in that a number of jim's posts, IMO, appear to be from someone not with a perfected intellect. Its fair grounds for questions, IMO. > Good luck with that. Snide remarks are not really productive. > your cynicism is underwhelming.. Neither are dismissive and superiority-attempting replies. Its too bad straight forward questions can't be asked and answered. For example, "Jim, you appear to imply that you have a perfected intellect. Perhaps not, perhaps you meant something other than this interpretation. However, if its the former, it raises questions, in that a number of your posts, IMO, do not relect the logic of someone with a perfected intellec
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/8/06 7:17 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely >> more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party >> location at some point, and get to sit down over a few >> margaritas and talk about the incredibly different >> routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) >> > > Yes, I look forward to that - here on earth, too. Someone in FF has to arrange > this in the > next decade! We ought to have a FFL get-together sometime. How many of you who live out of town would fly in for it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > It seems to me that the people who are *most* afraid > > to die are those who spend inordinate amounts of time > > trying to prepare themselves for it. > > ...or reading and writing about it, especially when it isn't even > the subject at hand. Yeah, but that doesn't matter. The subject at hand didn't present enough opportunity for putdowns, and Barry desperately needed to do a scornful rant at *somebody*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > >> > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >> > > >> Good luck with that. > > >> > > > your cynicism is underwhelming... > > > > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > experience, > > and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share > your > > concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > serious doubts > > about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, > etc., > > can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are > experiencing some > > very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more > advanced. Take > > your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our Wednesday > night > > satsangs, and question some of the folks there to your heart's > content. I > > think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. > > > > Any floaters amongst you? > I used to bounce up like a champagne cork sometimes, about three feet, and once in 1992(?) I was doing a group flying program in Frederick, Maryland at the TM Center there and went up in the air and then quickly horizontal about a foot off the foam, straight towards a counter. I had to put out my hand to stop myself. I went about four feet before I stopped myself. I also remember some long hops in the dome at FF in 1980, maybe in the air for 1.5 seconds at a time. I haven't done the sidhis program since about 1995. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > In other words, your operating system is Aesopian: > > sour grapes. You'd rather put down someone else's > > experiences than do a little work to have your own. :-) > > I love your use of the ":-)" which you employ whenever you're > criticizing someone and venting your spleen but want to still > maintain that "I'm a loosy-goosy cool intellectual living in > France" personae. ROTFL! *Nailed*. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, > how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it > take? > It's called bloc voting: all the meditators backed their guy, while the townies, who probably didn't much care one way or the other, since turnout is low for Fairfield elections, split their votes among non- rus. And even with bloc voting, the mayor is really only just another vote on the city council, on which rus are outnumbered (I don't recall the exact numbers). The Jefferson County board of supervisors has zero rus, so the political clout of rus is limited. For instance, although the mayor and rus wanted the train whistle stopped, the city council voted against this because it would cost too much money to do the workaround with the train folks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel > > wrote: > > > > > > Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds > > Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City > > Star > > > > > [according to Ed Malloy] > > "In the past two decades, the Fairfield area has added 300 > > businesses, doubled its tax base and added about 2,000 people to > its > > population." > > > > ** > > > > Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy can't count -- in fact, Fairfield only > has > > about a hundred more people than in 1980, and actually lost > > population since 1990. Jefferson County has lost population since > > 1980, although Iowa as a state has increased in population: > > > > http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf > > > > Bob Brigante > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html > > > > Interesting. So the 2,000 sidhas that moved to Fairfield never > existed, or never were counted in the census? Do students get counted > or people who maintain more than one house? > The census changed its rules in 2000 to count MUM students as being residents of Fairfield -- in 1980 and 1990, the census did not count university students as being Fairfield residents, but as residents of wherever they were from (this change in policy, which includes prisons, has led to some weird situations in small towns where there are large prisons, which cities benefit from govmint handouts because of their large poor and minority "populations" who are wards of the state, and cost the local community nothing: http://tinyurl.com/n2gnc ). So if MIU had 500 students in 1980, they would not have showed up in the Fairfield total of about 9400, while MUM's ~360 students in 2000 did count towards Fairfield's population of ~9500. So the picture of Fairfield population is even worse than the numbers suggest: Fairfield population has declined, and Vedic City's ~150 people did not make up the slack -- Jefferson County populaton is also down: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf Jefferson County's population in 1970 was 15774, so the arrival of MIU in 1974 did boost the population somewhat: http://tinyurl.com/l2qbg People who live in Hawaii or wherever for six months and one day out of the year are Hawaii residents, even if they live in Fairfield the balance of the year, but, in any event, there are only a handful of rich rus in Fairfield who fall in this category, so it does affect the population count significantly one way or the other. Meditators have moved into Fairfield, but locals moved out as Fairfield jobs disappeared with the factory closings and all, and so, after a while, did many of the meditators, leaving a Siddha population of ~1800 today (counting all MUM faculty, staff, students and town rus). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: snips> wayback:> > Regarding the idea of free will, I would agree with you > > entirely except for experiences I have had (and sadly > > have not had iin quite some time). The few experiences > > I have had, and I know many many others have too and > > have written books about etc etc, are unmistakable. > > Life all happens, just happens and unfolds - kind of > > like a plant grows without any planning, so does a > > human act and think and feel. > > I've had those experiences, too. I think the difference > is that I do not consider them any different than any > *other* experience I've ever had. In other words, the > state of attention in which one is not the doer has no > more importance or weight for me than any other. It's > Just Another Fleeting State Of Attention. . > > My understanding is that even brain research is beginning > > to suggest that our volitional actions actually got > > triggered before we have had time to feel or ponder or > > choose. This is all irrelevant until the experience occurs, > > but it is a real relief to experience, and the shock of > > all shocks, let me tell you. > > I think the keyword here might be in your use of the > word 'relief.' IMO, some people are actively *searching* > for experiences that "prove" to them that they are not > in control, and that something bigger and greater than > they are *is* in control. So (also IMO), when they have > the particular fleeting experience of "not the doer," > they tend to interpret that experience as an "ultimate" > experience, a glimpse of some ultimate truth. I don't > see it that way. I treat such experiences, interesting > as they may be, just like any other experience. They > come, they go...NONE of them is any more advanced or > "higher" than the other. Well, the first time it happened I felt as if I had been living my entire life in some sort of cosmic joke which produced the feeling that I had free will and my full attention on the details of life was essential. The relief was that I did not need to take things quite so seriously since the flow of it all would carry things along. Maybe these experiences are not special or more evolved, just odd brain functionings that have been deemed "higher." But my bet is that this is not so. I think there are higher states of consciousness and that MMY's basic delineation is a pretty good one. snip > > I am all in favor of Bhuddism and all the compassion and > > good works and honesty that it encourages. I am a Hindu > > type, tho. > > Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely > more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party > location at some point, and get to sit down over a few > margaritas and talk about the incredibly different > routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) > Yes, I look forward to that - here on earth, too. Someone in FF has to arrange this in the next decade! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and >> experience, >> and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share >> your >> concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have >> serious doubts >> about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, >> etc., >> can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are >> experiencing some >> very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. > > Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here (or > off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. Anything's > possible. And all of it's contingent upon our flawed abilities to judge others' subjective states from their attempts to express the inexpressible in words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: > >>> > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a? c= > >>> > >> > >> Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is > >> positioned slightly above MMY's. > > > > > > > > I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - > > - same size -- right beside MMY's. > > That is odd. AFAIK, that's his office. Funny to have a big photo of oneself > in one's office, Maharishi or no Maharishi. > At least its not a giant painted portrait of him posing like you see in some offices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In the name of demystification, "the nephews?" > > > > > > > > Who are they? > > > > > > > > A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good > start. > > > > > > One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= > > > > > > > Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is > > positioned slightly above MMY's. > > > > I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - > - same size -- right beside MMY's. > Eh, families often don't revere their famous members as much as outsiders do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > feste37@ writes: > > > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! > > > > I think she's hot. > > > > > > > > Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. > > > > Sharon Stone thinks kids should offer their boy/girfriends oral sex in > lieu of genital intercourse. > Do you think this is wrong? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > sparaig@ writes: > > > > > > Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the > > > House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the > current > > > minority leader can do better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! > > > > I think she's hot. > > > > > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very > hot about 20 years ago. > > Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more > like Boxer and Pelosi. > > That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. > > Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. > Raquel Welch is still hot. http://www.askmen.com/women/actress_150/153_raquel_welch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 6:57:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're awarethat Colin Powell and Condi Rice were saying that Saddam's threat was "contained" in early 2001, right? And you are aware that Saddam was trying to get the sanctions lifted against Iraq and since the democratic party thinks he was so harmless I'm sure Saddam wouldn't have had much problem convincing his real friends that they should lift the sanctions against him so he could modernize and rebuild his country and not have thousands of children die from lack of food or whatever. Lift de Sanctions for de children! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 6:55:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it take? Did I say anything about Bob? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> Good luck with that. > >> > > your cynicism is underwhelming... > > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, > and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your > concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts > about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., > can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are experiencing some > very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Take > your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our Wednesday night > satsangs, and question some of the folks there to your heart's content. I > think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. > Any floaters amongst you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 3:04:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > be doing now had Iraq not been > > invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery > > systems, you think he might > > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own > > nuclear program? > > Ah, with what? Sand? > > > > Pete, we did remove hundreds of tons of yellow cake uranium. And Saddam was > hell bent on getting the sanctions lifted. Had Hans Blix been as adamant > about Saddam not being a threat to anybody as the Democratic party has been for > the past three years, surely sanctions would have been lifted by now or at > least in the near future by the UN. > You're awarethat Colin Powell and Condi Rice were saying that Saddam's threat was "contained" in early 2001, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: > >>> > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= > >>> > >> > >> Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is > >> positioned slightly above MMY's. > > > > > > > > I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - > > - same size -- right beside MMY's. > > That is odd. AFAIK, that's his office. Funny to have a big photo of oneself > in one's office, Maharishi or no Maharishi. > +++ Sadam liked big pictures too. Maybe it is the only one of him smiling- -er almost. Like the pictures of the "shoe vendor"- not someone I would want behind me. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 6:44:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hmmm he might like to do that, just to teach those townies a lesson.>And everyone calls the TBs loonies... Well you shouldn't refer to him as a loonie since you do still try to get in at least one meditation a day. Just because he shut down the TMO in England you should feel grateful that he may only try it on a smaller and more localized level in the US, from one town to another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 4:52:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace > Small town finds Yogiâs disciples ânot so scaryâ > By LAURA BAUER > The Kansas City Star > > > > Shouldn't some body warn the city of Smith Center Kansas that the TMO isn't > as innocent as it might seem, that it really is a cult and they will try to > take control of the towns politics and so on? I mean I don't think the TMO is > evil or anything but these people, of Smith Center, are going to be in for a > rude awakening once the taters get settled in. Geez I would kind of like to > go there just to sit back and watch how everybody reacts. Be a fly on the > wall in the barber shop on Saturdays and listen to the gossip. Maybe start a > rumor or two myself. Oh My God, that could be fun! > So, if Bob is right and the population of Fairfield never changed, how did the TMO take over Fairfield politics? ANd how long did it take? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel > wrote: > > > > Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds > Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City > Star > > > [according to Ed Malloy] > "In the past two decades, the Fairfield area has added 300 > businesses, doubled its tax base and added about 2,000 people to its > population." > > ** > > Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy can't count -- in fact, Fairfield only has > about a hundred more people than in 1980, and actually lost > population since 1990. Jefferson County has lost population since > 1980, although Iowa as a state has increased in population: > > http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf > > Bob Brigante > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html > Interesting. So the 2,000 sidhas that moved to Fairfield never existed, or never were counted in the census? Do students get counted or people who maintain more than one house? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 1:54 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I smell it. > > > > Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving > > to this Kansas town. > > > > Anyone agree? > > I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there > without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to > build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction > here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will > actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? > So various Peace Palaces haven't already been built? The recerted teachers in various other places haven't leased office space for the Maharishi Enlightenment Centers? The mall idea has apparently been exchnaged for something cheaper and more professional-looking anyway in case you were wondering... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 1:55:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I smell it. > > Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving > to this Kansas town. > > Anyone agree? > > > > Hmmm he might like to do that, just to teach those townies a lesson. > And everyone calls the TBs loonies... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I smell it. > > Within the next 6 months, MMY will announce that MUM will be moving > to this Kansas town. > > Anyone agree? > > Anyone? > > Anyone? > > Beuller? > > Beuller? Why? The proposed buildings aren't suitable for the university and they're already rebuilding the university and have announced plans to add local flying halls. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this > > life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, > > the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much > > more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with > > our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. > > That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You > are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no > "referentiality". Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total > darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month > dark retreat--is when you do come back to the "body" there's still no > reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. > And completely unnecessary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> Good luck with that. > >> > > your cynicism is underwhelming... > > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > experience, > and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share > your > concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have > serious doubts > about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, > etc., > can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are > experiencing some > very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Well I can only comment on the contradictions they express here (or off list). Some of it's very nice, some is contradictory. Anything's possible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/8/06 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: >>> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= >>> >> >> Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is >> positioned slightly above MMY's. > > > > I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - > - same size -- right beside MMY's. That is odd. AFAIK, that's his office. Funny to have a big photo of oneself in one's office, Maharishi or no Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
on 4/8/06 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very > hot about 20 years ago. > > Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more > like Boxer and Pelosi. > > That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. > > Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. Shemp, are you channeling Paris Hilton? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > anonyff@ writes: > > > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > > > Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > > > > > > > > > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of > scenarios that > > might involve the United States military from hostage rescue > situations all > > the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to > invade Great > > Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular > plan will > > be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in > the near > > future. had Iraq not been > > invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you > think he might > > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear > program? > > > > What would Iraq be like if the US hadn't invaded? > > Before Team America showed up, > it was a happy place. > They had flowery meadows > and rainbow skies > and rivers made of chocolate, > where the children danced > and laughed and played > with gumdrop smiles. > Yes, Team America bringing equal opportunity for all. Before, Hell for some. Now, Hell for all! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: > > > > > > In the name of demystification, "the nephews?" > > > > > > Who are they? > > > > > > A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. > > > > One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= > > > > Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is > positioned slightly above MMY's. I find it very unusual that he would deem to put a photo of himself - - same size -- right beside MMY's. > > Any spiritual credentials? > > WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? > > Just another two clueless TM-Governors? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! > > I think she's hot. > > > > Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. > Sharon Stone thinks kids should offer their boy/girfriends oral sex in lieu of genital intercourse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > sparaig@ writes: > > > > Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the > > House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current > > minority leader can do better. > > > > > > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! > > I think she's hot. > I think that both Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi were probably very hot about 20 years ago. Sonny Bono's widow was hot when he died, now she's becoming more like Boxer and Pelosi. That Senator from Louisiana was hot, too, about 5 years ago. Laura Bush was probably hot 10 years ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > > > > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that > might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all > the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great > Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will > be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near > future. invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? > What would Iraq be like if the US hadn't invaded? Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO > > > > for weird and crazy things and here you are defending > > > > probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one > > > > that chooses its leader based on some sort of > > > > fairy tale about reincarnation! > > > > > > > > hahahahahahahahahaha. > > Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote this? This is an odd > reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses the Vedas. Vedic > traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like performing fire cermonies > so that that energies coming from planets to your very own physiology will be deflected or > enhanced. I don't particularly like any form of voodoo, tibetan or hindi. > > > > The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a > > > group of people who have more knowledge than you > > > do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and > > > reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and > > > trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker > > > would be doing is trying to figure out what they > > > know, and whether it might be useful. > > > > snip > > > > > I guess my point is that when it comes to the process > > > of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely > > > to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone > > > from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is > > > one your interests, you *are* likely to find out a > > > little of how it all works by studying with a tradition > > > that has delved into this subject for thousands of > > > years, with some success. That is, Tibetan Buddhists. > > > > > > > > They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO > > > ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based > > > tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to > > > what happens when they die, and often as fearful of > > > dying as the "man on the street." > > And to be even more in your face, death is > going to > > > happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. > > > You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, > > > and probably closer to ten. You're going to be lying > > > on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what > > > lies in front of you when your body breathes its last > > > breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into > > > an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it > > > was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who > > > have actually studied with the tradition you like to > > > make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting > > > ready to perform a series of meditational exercises > > > that they've been preparing for their whole lives. > > Vaj wrote: > > Another thing Shemp might want to consider is that the Tibetan > > diaspora was actually a blessing for this planet, rather than a > > curse. But that would entail seeing the big picture. > > > > Nice point about the Tibetan diaspora! > > Re death and dying, I have found Yogananda's books of comfort. I just started his Gita > translation/commentary and it seems packed with all sorts of good information. > Personally, I would find it comforting to have some trusty steps to perform as death nears. > But, I also trust that the process will take care of itself, to a large extent. All this > meditating and yoga for all these years, trying to live a "good" life while having some fun, > caring for family. I am counting on a compassionate universe to include me and frankly > everyone in the normal flow of transition. I don't think we all have to feel responsible for > learing how to manage each stage of life. The analogy that comes to mind is the fundy > Christian idea that ONLY thru belief in Jesus can a person be saved. But what about those > who never heard of Jesus? Same with death. Such a fundamental experience cannot > possibly REQUIRE special training available in one part of the world. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. > > > > > > (Trivia question here...who can name the movie > > > that the above quote comes from?) :-) > > > > Buckaroo Banzai? > > Give that man a kewpie doll. :-) > > One of the great cult films of all time. > > > > And to be even more in your face, death is going to > > > happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. > > > You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, > > > and probably closer to ten. > > > > Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? > > No particular reason, and it may not be true. But > he IS going to die, and if he manages to live the > rest of his life as incurious and as unwilling to > exert *any* effort to learn anything new as he has > during the last few years, he'll face that death as > ignorant of what it's all about as he is today. > > For some reason, that just struck me as sad this > morning, and so I wrote what I wrote. > > Periodically, Shemp decides to trash the Dalai Lama > and Things Tibetan for -- as far as I can tell -- no > other reason than to be a troll and to be provocative. Actually, I've certainly trashed the Dalai Lam but have never trashed the Tibetan Buddhists (don't know enough about them to either trash or love 'em). As for being a provocateur, yes, I readily admit to it, especially in this case. > He knows *nothing* about the Dalai Lama, nothing about > Tibetan history, nothing about Tibetan Buddhism, and > doesn't really *care* to learn anything or intend to > *ever* learn anything about it. Where this subject is > concerned, Shemp is what I termed a "typical American" > -- Ignorant And Proud Of It. > > I just got tired of putting up with his troll act > is all, and decided to call him on it. If he actually > has any desire to *learn* something about Tibet and > its approach to death, dying, and reincarnation, I > will be happy to interact with him. But for that to > happen, he has to do his homework, and read a book > called "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying," by > Sogyal Rinpoche, Patrick D. Gaffney, and Andrew Harvey. > > If he does, I'll interact with him on the subject of > Tibet and its philosophies. If he doesn't, I'll continue > to treat him as the ignorant adolescent he seems content > to be, and to be until he dies. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >> >> Good luck with that. >> > your cynicism is underwhelming... Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and experience, and can't match either, and I also respect and to some extent share your concerns about premature claims to enlightenment, but I have serious doubts about your apparent belief that regular folks like Jim, Dr. Pete, etc., can't possibly be experiencing the "real" thing, or are experiencing some very preliminary stage and mistaking it for something more advanced. Take your next vacation in Fairfield and sit in on two of our Wednesday night satsangs, and question some of the folks there to your heart's content. I think it'll shake up your beliefs a bit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 9:20:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > It's hard to know why this Bush guy is still standing. What does he > > have to do > > to get impeached? > > Have sex in the Oval Office with someone other than his wife, while > being a Democrat, or both? > > > Not enough, he must lie under oath in a deposition given in a sexual > harassment law suit which would prevent the truth regarding sexual harassment > history from being uncovered. Then you might get some where. > ...and for poetic justice, the law under which he can be questioned under deposition is the very law that he himself was responsible for putting into law...a law that he probably would have had no problem ruining the life of some executive with that would have been caught in a similar situation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and Muktananda enjoying a hug
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/8253?b=21 > I love this photo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in > > this > > > > life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, > > > > the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and > > much > > > > more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around > > with > > > > our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get > > centered. > > > > > > That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. > > You > > > are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, > > no > > > "referentiality". Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total > > > darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 > > month > > > dark retreat--is when you do come back to the "body" there's still > > no > > > reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. > > > > > There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness > > once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent > > of any external reference points, including a body, which centers > > the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, > > future, and infinity. > > > > The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in > > this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. > > > Good luck with that. > your cynicism is underwhelming... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in > this > > > life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, > > > the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and > much > > > more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around > with > > > our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get > centered. > > > > That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. > You > > are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, > no > > "referentiality". Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total > > darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 > month > > dark retreat--is when you do come back to the "body" there's still > no > > reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. > > > There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness > once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent > of any external reference points, including a body, which centers > the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, > future, and infinity. > > The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in > this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. Good luck with that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in > > India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number > > of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. > > > > > > In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch > > you. It is very different from America. > > > > > > I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi > > attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. > > > > > > Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two > > hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. > > > > > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi > > > Mahesh Yogi > > > > > > > > > I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like > this: > > > Nephews: "We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or > > we'll divulge it."MMY: "Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean > > yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money > > or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do > > want to help the world." > > > Nephews: "Deal." > > > > > > Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. > > > > > > How does he do that? Who protects him? > > > > > > Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. > > > > > > Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. > > > > > > > Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program > > and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos? > > A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to > me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of > the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO > has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. > Two proposals.. (1) a big jump toward the Big E (2) an excuse to start worshipping the God of Cynicism To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
on 4/8/06 4:18 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: >> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= >> > > Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is > positioned slightly above MMY's. > > Any spiritual credentials? Maharishi's nephew? > > WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? > > Just another two clueless TM-Governors? A couple of Russian Governors who were visiting and wanted a photo op. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 1:46 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In the name of demystification, "the nephews?" > > > > Who are they? > > > > A list of names, ages and links to photos would be a good start. > > One of them is Girish Shrivastava. His photo is here: > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/328a?c= > Interesting. Nice touch with the photo of himself where his head is positioned slightly above MMY's. Any spiritual credentials? WHo are the two white yes-men on his sides? Just another two clueless TM-Governors? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be interested in knowing whether people who don't > practice TM have the same results with diksha. May I update you on this? I don't practise TM, and I didn't like 'diksha'. Btw, as it is compared here always with shaktipath, I was explicitly told by the diksha-giver that it is not a kind of shaktipath, that I shouldn't expect anything like this (which I didn't do.) and it certainly didn't feel like this. I was in India at Mt Arunachala, and I got it unconventionally, but the guy pressed so hard on my head, that I felt my crown chakra was negatively affected. (He was certainly well-meaning, but thats how I felt) So, for those who a sensitive at their crown chakra, like me, I don't recommend it. For others it my be harmless. My opinion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is > > > > > that the universe really "runs the show" when it comes > > > > > to how and as what one will reincarnate. > > That a quite odd and limited description of Hindusim. > > > What is the difference between so called life and so called death? > > > > We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, > > Yes. If the individuality myth is seen as hallow, that is the > individuality who never was, "dies", then Consciousness remains. > > > so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room > > or the dining room or the bedroom? > > How is consciousness -- as in essential nature, ever limited to a > particular room? These are the words of one within the continuance of > the individuality myth. > > > Is it fair or accurate to say we > > have *died* when we move from room to room? > > No, if something is moving from room to room, whether physical or > astral, then it has not, died, the individuality myth continues, the > illusion of individual has not "died". > > >If I go from the living > > room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we > > say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? > > No, unfortunately, we would have to say that the individuality myth of > Jim still continues by the myth that is Jim. A self-referral of > mythology. > > > > It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one > > about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. > > For the body that is true. > > > Same > > deal, dead or alive --no difference--. > > If there is no body, and no individuality myth remaining, what is > left? Not Jim, just consciousness. > > > Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to > > do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. > > Who is making this eternal journey? Is it Jim? If so, it will be a > long journney, as the individuality myth slowly unravels. If there is > no individuality myth, there is no eternal journey, just eternity, > Consciousness. (And if that is a "disappointment", a sense of loss of > specific pleasures on the journey, then the enjoyer still lives -- the > individuality myth still lives. > You appear to be mything my point... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this > > life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, > > the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much > > more interesting. Otherwise we just as you say, tumble around with > > our minds closed, even to our selves! Life or death, get centered. > > That's exactly one of the points of my post, there is no center. You > are truly beyond space and time. There are no reference points, no > "referentiality". Part of the terror of doing a retreat in total > darkness--and in some parts of the Shank. trad. they do an 11 month > dark retreat--is when you do come back to the "body" there's still no > reference points. No inside or outside, the vase has shattered. > There is a perfect crystalline structure manifested of consciousness once the intellect is perfected. It is this structure, independent of any external reference points, including a body, which centers the Self. It is the singularity found at the intersection of past, future, and infinity. The terror you speak of above comes from not being established in this singularity, and being at the effect of an unstable mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **SNIP** > I do think things here in the unviverse, including me, run on autopilot and that the sense > that I have free will is an illusion. This is based on TM meditation - related experiences I > have had, so I feel pretty convinced of this (while also recognizing that first, I probably > have only experienced a tiny piece of the BIG picture, and second, the meditation > technique that gives rise to this may do just that by changing the brain in specific ways > related to the technique, but that is another discussion) Nevertheless, since most of the > time I have the sensation/illusion that I am controlling my life, I have no choice but to > keep on exerting my will and seeking! And if in the midst of this world I DO have some > free will, I am betting it has to do with evolution and related choices. **SNIP TO END** Very well said. This my experience/POV as well. In the sense that sadhana seems to be "progressive", rather than an instantaneous awakening, the best way I could describe it is a thinning of the ego. Can't say it's not there but pretty much the only time it's noticed are those times when "I" feel annoyed. When that occurs it doesn't take much more than a moment's reflection for the feeling to subside. This life seems to be little more than a "point of view", a way of interaction. Things of interest draw my attention and other things don't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 3:16:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC?Which wasn’t true. It was raining like crazy for a long time before we went to the course. The truth didn't matter to him. He still took credit for it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
In a message dated 4/8/06 3:04:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be doing now had Iraq not been > invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery> systems, you think he might > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own> nuclear program?Ah, with what? Sand? Pete, we did remove hundreds of tons of yellow cake uranium. And Saddam was hell bent on getting the sanctions lifted. Had Hans Blix been as adamant about Saddam not being a threat to anybody as the Democratic party has been for the past three years, surely sanctions would have been lifted by now or at least in the near future by the UN. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas' on 4/8/06 2:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/8/06 2:26:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM there without the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune to build a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new construction here in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything will actually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC? Which wasn’t true. It was raining like crazy for a long time before we went to the course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's been nice knowing you all
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > Here's a summation of the article from > (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > > > > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all > kinds of scenarios that > might involve the United States military from > hostage rescue situations all > the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even > have plans to invade Great > Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean > any particular plan will > be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to > get hit in the near > future. be doing now had Iraq not been > invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery > systems, you think he might > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own > nuclear program? Ah, with what? Sand? > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 4:52:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi’s disciples ‘not so scary’ By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star Shouldn't some body warn the city of Smith Center Kansas that the TMO isn't as innocent as it might seem, that it really is a cult and they will try to take control of the towns politics and so on? I mean I don't think the TMO is evil or anything but these people, of Smith Center, are going to be in for a rude awakening once the taters get settled in. Geez I would kind of like to go there just to sit back and watch how everybody reacts. Be a fly on the wall in the barber shop on Saturdays and listen to the gossip. Maybe start a rumor or two myself. Oh My God, that could be fun! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 12:15:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Here's the link to the article in the New Yorker: > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > Here's a summation of the article from (http://tinyurl.com/zmw6u) > > US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran > >+++ Everyone is cremated equal? > > > The Pentagon continuously draws up plans for all kinds of scenarios that > might involve the United States military from hostage rescue situations all > the way up to all out nuclear war. We probably even have plans to invade Great > Britain on the shelves some place. It doesn't mean any particular plan will > be used. However it is likely that Iran is going to get hit in the near > future. invaded. With Iran working on nukes and delivery systems, you think he might > feel threatened and justified with pushing his own nuclear program? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
In a message dated 4/8/06 2:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG!I think she's hot. Yes, and Sharon Stone thinks Hillary is too sexy to be president. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
In a message dated 4/8/06 2:26:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt it. Very few people could afford to move. Unless he wants MUM therewithout the meditating community. Even then, it would cost a fortune tobuild a whole campus. Even now, MUM is investing heavily in new constructionhere in Fairfield. A more interesting speculation is whether anything willactually be built in Kansas, and if it is (unlikely), who will occupy it? I don't think these are reasons M would even consider if he wanted to do something like pick up and move and show the world what would happen if meditators left the area. I mean look what he did in England. Remember when he was interviewed by the press during the DC campaign and the Mississippi was flooding and he laughed and said it was because the sidhas had left and gone to DC? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Yogi's Disciples Create Oz in Kansas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kansas to be home to World Capital of Peace Small town finds Yogi's disciples `not so scary' By LAURA BAUER The Kansas City Star > [according to Ed Malloy] "In the past two decades, the Fairfield area has added 300 businesses, doubled its tax base and added about 2,000 people to its population." ** Fairfield Mayor Ed Malloy can't count -- in fact, Fairfield only has about a hundred more people than in 1980, and actually lost population since 1990. Jefferson County has lost population since 1980, although Iowa as a state has increased in population: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/DD51.pdf Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best political one-liner of the week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Well DeLay is about to go, so wait for the Dems to win back the > House, impeach Cheney, then impeach Bush, then hope the current > minority leader can do better. > > > > Nancy Pelosi as President? OMG! I think she's hot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: The four classes] so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In the Hindu cosmology, the basic concept is > > > > that the universe really "runs the show" when it comes > > > > to how and as what one will reincarnate. That a quite odd and limited description of Hindusim. > What is the difference between so called life and so called death? > > We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, Yes. If the individuality myth is seen as hallow, that is the individuality who never was, "dies", then Consciousness remains. > so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room > or the dining room or the bedroom? How is consciousness -- as in essential nature, ever limited to a particular room? These are the words of one within the continuance of the individuality myth. > Is it fair or accurate to say we > have *died* when we move from room to room? No, if something is moving from room to room, whether physical or astral, then it has not, died, the individuality myth continues, the illusion of individual has not "died". >If I go from the living > room to the dining room and someone says 'where's Jim?', do we > say, 'oh he went into the dining room; he's dead'...? No, unfortunately, we would have to say that the individuality myth of Jim still continues by the myth that is Jim. A self-referral of mythology. > > It is like that old phrase about enlightenment, you know, the one > about chopping wood and carrying water, both before and after. For the body that is true. > Same > deal, dead or alive --no difference--. If there is no body, and no individuality myth remaining, what is left? Not Jim, just consciousness. > Death is just the word to mean the physical body dies. Has little to > do with the real Us on our eternal journey. No worries, mate. Who is making this eternal journey? Is it Jim? If so, it will be a long journney, as the individuality myth slowly unravels. If there is no individuality myth, there is no eternal journey, just eternity, Consciousness. (And if that is a "disappointment", a sense of loss of specific pleasures on the journey, then the enjoyer still lives -- the individuality myth still lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
