[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steorn: Free Energy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: 5 days ago Steorn, an Irish Company, placed a full page ad in The Economist -- this costs around £140K. Here's the text: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy I have had a message from a London meditator who reckons This development is rubbish. It will besmerch the name of good magnetic/electromagnetic workers. Maybe that is its purpose: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1419.0.html Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S LBS, you obviously haven't been active here in the past year or you would know the answers to all this. I mean have there been any definitive studies on the effects of the bagpipe on a sidha's brainwaves and how that might affect the group coherence in the dome? And hawthorne doing jyotish readings without giving any of his fees to the TMO obviously hinders its efforts to create world peace, which is bad karma, which could result in the lords of karma zapping him with a lightning bolt someday, and what if that happened while he was in the dome and innocent sidhas nearby became collateral damage? Clearly you haven't thought all this through at all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in 1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz they sure as hell do. Those were fun days in Fairfield with Robin and his crazy followers. MMY told Bevan to ignore it, but Bevan wouldn't. The best was when Robin hired a helicopter to drop pamphlets over people leaving the dome after program one afternoon. MIU security was running around grapping the pamphlets and yelling that nobody should read them! Pretty funny. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LBS, you obviously haven't been active here in the past year or you would know the answers to all this. I mean have there been any definitive studies on the effects of the bagpipe on a sidha's brainwaves and how that might affect the group coherence in the dome? Actually, there have been several studies, but more on just being near someone who once played the bagpipes - it was shown definitively that it was NOT necessary to actually hear the person playing the bagpipes, or to even know that the person had ever played the bagpipes. A smaller, but still disruptive, effect was found if the subject was near a person who once considered playing the bagpipes, but decided against it. The best reference I can find at short notice is Offksanvkie, T. S. Wojiewscki, B.O. (2003). The effects of near distance on bagpipe excitations in non-bagpiping adults. Journal of Bagpiping, Trumpeting, and Oboeing, 33(1), 108-134. And hawthorne doing jyotish readings without giving any of his fees to the TMO obviously hinders its efforts to create world peace, which is bad karma, which could result in the lords of karma zapping him with a lightning bolt someday, and what if that happened while he was in the dome and innocent sidhas nearby became collateral damage? Clearly you haven't thought all this through at all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: major snip Clearly you haven't thought all this through at all. That's true, and now that you mention it, I was a lot happier not thinking about it than thinking about it. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? Hah,it is about MOJO. Oh heck L B, Bevan just thinks you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Yeah, you're just a weapon of mass destruction in their book. Best Regards fra FF, -Doug Oh BTW, L B, the next time you try to apply they will take you to the library basement where normal people do not go and then show you the 'rack'. It worked on Galileo. It worked on that wrong thinking before, you'll sing like a bird too recanting everything and signing about anything to git back in. Appeasement, it did not work before with Hilter either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote:The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Doug writing: oh heck LB, they just think you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. Of course not. They would have to eat way too much crow to let you in. -Doug in FF The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. This is essentially the Weapons of Mass Destruction argumentit is convenient, but doesn't match the facts on the ground. They don't perceive that most people would rather have them let me in and drop this blacklisting bullshit. Despite that, my application actually did get into the region where acceptance was a possibility. There just wasn't enough momentum behind it to carry it through this time. From my point of view, this situation represents progress, and I believe that if you want more of something in life, it's good to show appreciation. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black List on 8/24/06 12:33 AM, scienceofabundance at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rick: I am not clear on your numbers: Are you saying that 241 have not been accepted (i.e. still in process) and a further 343 rejected? Im not sure either. Perhaps the person who gave me the info, who monitors FFL, will clarify. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Wonder why you didn't just quote it; it isn't long: Milieu is a French word meaning surroundings; environment. Cults are able to control the environment around their recruits in a number of ways, but almost always using a form of isolation. Recruits can be physically separated from society, or they can be warned under threat of punishment to stay away from the world's educational media, especially when it might provoke critical thinking. Any books, movies or testimonies of ex-members of the group, or even anyone critical of the group in any way are to be avoided. Information is carefully kept on each recruit by the mother organization. All are watched, lest they fall behind or get too far ahead of the thinking of the organization. Because it appears that the organization knows so much about everything and everyone, they appear omniscient in the eyes of the recruits. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steorn: Free Energy?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steorn: Free Energy? on 8/24/06 8:53 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: 5 days ago Steorn, an Irish Company, placed a full page ad in The Economist -- this costs around 140K. Here's the text: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy I have had a message from a London meditator who reckons This development is rubbish. It will besmerch the name of good magnetic/electromagnetic workers. Maybe that is its purpose: http://www..overunity.com/index.php/topic,1419.0.html http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1419.0.html Uns. They spent 140K to besmirch the name of good magnetic/electromagnetic workers? Thats pretty expensive besmirching. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Responses interleaved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Nice link. I've seen lists of 20 or so cult charcteristics, but this one is both precise and comprehensive. Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. Yes, numerous people here have noted the contradiction inherent in treating aging, long- term devotees as children and neophytes. Of course, there actually are a small number who still prefer it that way. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. The hard core are definitely a minority here, although there are severe methodological and sociological barriers to establishing the numbers. Even the more hip and liberated TMers often have localized hot buttons around certain topics, like M's infallibility or Sthapathya Ved, etc. As a result, FF can be a conversational mine field. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? Hah,it is about MOJO. Oh heck L B, Bevan just thinks you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Yeah, you're just a weapon of mass destruction in their book. Best Regards fra FF, -Doug Oh BTW, L B, the next time you try to apply they will take you to the library basement where normal people do not go and then show you the 'rack'. It worked on Galileo. It worked on that wrong thinking before, you'll sing like a bird too recanting everything and signing about anything to git back in. Appeasement, it did not work before with Hilter either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote:The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Doug writing: oh heck LB, they just think you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. Of course not. They would have to eat way too much crow to let you in. -Doug in FF The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some
[FairfieldLife] World Talk Radio: Authentic Learning: Adventures in transformative dialogue
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[FairfieldLife] Camp Ashraf; another Katyn massacre?
I have learned (and I am not very up to speed) that there is a camp with 5,000 Iranian dissidents due east of Baghdad and 60 miles from the Iranian border. Iran are demanding that they are handed over as part of a deal for their non involvement. If they get handed over and killed, as seems likely, then would this be a major war crime? Is this issue generally known about? Why have the Americans not put them in a transport aircraft and got them out of the way months or years ago? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt. For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender. Anything to make someone's life a little more miserable, that's our TMO. This is the group that can't keep the Domes painted, and people are worrying about the efficiency of the IT deartment... Sal On Aug 23, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in 1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz they sure as hell Yes, lets sincerely hope they do ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt. For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender. Anything to make someone's life a little more miserable, that's our TMO. This is the group that can't keep the Domes painted, and people are worrying about the efficiency of the IT deartment... Sal On Aug 23, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: There is someone on the course who was asked about his involvement with Robin Carlson. Robin Carlson was doing his thing in FF back in 1982-83. Think the TMO doesn't keep records? Better think again 'cuz they sure as hell Yes, lets sincerely hope they do ! Actually the IT department is probably fairly efficient, because it handles accounting (and databases). JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablus108 writes: it's sad really, that the situation for the USA now is so grave that the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. Doug writing: Yes that is the point and it is about the guidelines here the nature of the meditating community here. It is about necessity. If they (the TMorg) really enforced the guidelines hundreds of people would not qualify to be part of the ME here The rank and file and all the echelon of the movement are involved. Do people lie to get in to the domes?. Probalbly most if it was really pressed. ShivaMa is not extraordinary really. There are simply many hundreds of people just like her. There are hundreds of people like her in the domes now. The guidelines are just out of line and on the ground the administration is doing the best it can in a theocracy where the current project is to try for the ME. An irony is that Jeanne is actually the tru-beiliever by her experience if anyone is. With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. Well that's a rather strange conseption considering that Jesus and Christ are two different personalities. For more information, please see: http://www.sharientl.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. Instilling a phobia through catastrophic outcome. Nice work! Any chance I can be sent to the Hell with Jimi Hendrix and Robert Johnson? I live in Washington DC so I'm sure I can take the heat. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. Well that's a rather strange conseption considering that Jesus and Christ are two different personalities. For more information, please see: http://www.sharientl.org Correct adress: http://www.shareintl.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines? on 8/24/06 1:20 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt. For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender. I dont think they keep it in a database. I think they keep file folders on everyone. One friend of mine who applied said they referred to an ad for healing services she had placed in the Weekly Reader years ago. I think they actually clipped and saved the ad. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Thanks for the reply. Lifton and Singer established 8 principles from their work with Korean war vets. I don't know Lifton but did know the late Margret Singer. She was fascinated by how some modern groups had refined the techniques to become less obvious and more subtle. I think this is a case of knowledge being power. Knowing the techniques makes it more difficult to apply them. Even some sales seminars I have attended have tried to pull some of these techniques on me, but once it is identified, it loses a lot of its power to influence. I appreciated your assessment of people's ability to discuss topics reasonably. I find that to be true of most people when it comes to deeply held, and particularly spiritual beliefs, not just in the movement. Instilling a phobic response to questioning beliefs is a characteristic to watch for that makes some groups better at inhibiting critical thinking. My definition of what and who the movement is has changed considerably for me from posting here and corresponding with people like yourself. It seems there is a small group of people clustered around the dudes with the Raja crowns, and a much larger, and more interesting, group who has taken what is valuable from their TM experience and moved on. Although I don't meditate myself, I will always be interested in and connected with TM as part of my history. I have enjoyed getting to know the new, cooler movement. living outside the Raja-domains! When I was in the movement I was only interested in getting closer and closer to MMY. Now, the farther people are from him the more interesting they are to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responses interleaved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Nice link. I've seen lists of 20 or so cult charcteristics, but this one is both precise and comprehensive. Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. Yes, numerous people here have noted the contradiction inherent in treating aging, long- term devotees as children and neophytes. Of course, there actually are a small number who still prefer it that way. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. The hard core are definitely a minority here, although there are severe methodological and sociological barriers to establishing the numbers. Even the more hip and liberated TMers often have localized hot buttons around certain topics, like M's infallibility or Sthapathya Ved, etc. As a result, FF can be a conversational mine field. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? Hah,it is about MOJO. Oh heck L B, Bevan just thinks you got more MOJO than
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
They are letting everyone in the dome--except LB. is exactly what I heard from my marginally on the program friends. Sorry L.B. A lot of people still love you anyways! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responses interleaved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Nice link. I've seen lists of 20 or so cult charcteristics, but this one is both precise and comprehensive. Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. Yes, numerous people here have noted the contradiction inherent in treating aging, long- term devotees as children and neophytes. Of course, there actually are a small number who still prefer it that way. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. The hard core are definitely a minority here, although there are severe methodological and sociological barriers to establishing the numbers. Even the more hip and liberated TMers often have localized hot buttons around certain topics, like M's infallibility or Sthapathya Ved, etc. As a result, FF can be a conversational mine field. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? Hah,it is about MOJO. Oh heck L B, Bevan just thinks you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Yeah, you're just a weapon of mass destruction in their book. Best Regards fra FF, -Doug Oh BTW, L B, the next time you try to apply they will take you to the library basement where normal people do not go and then show you the 'rack'. It worked on Galileo. It worked on that wrong thinking before, you'll sing like a bird too recanting everything and signing about anything to git back in. Appeasement, it did not work before with Hilter either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote:The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Doug writing: oh heck LB, they just think you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote: I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the deed. And as I noted, a physician I went to for a flu shot asked for it as well. It's still fairly common. And those are routine occurrences? Only in your world, Judy. Uh, no, Sal. It's still fairly common, as I said (and the AARP confirms). Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 bucks and they gave me the shot. I could have been a Martian for all they cared. And that proves...what, exactly? My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS# on it. I complained to them, because I can't carry the card in my wallet. They said they were working on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some time yet. Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any SS #s on it. My driver's license used to, but they stopped that years ago. I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to apply for any of the credit cards I've had over the years. I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six five years ago. You have to give it on most credit card applications. My landlord wanted it when I first rented the condo I just bought, also five years ago. And these relate to the TMO how, exactly? Would you describe any of the above situations as routine? SS #s are generally asked for when security issues are at stake, like with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts of people. Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, especially nowadays. You didn't answer my question, Sal. I don't think you have any actual threat in mind. You just thought it sounded good to use the word intimidation. And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give it to them. I think they know perfectly well that people, in general, don't like to give them out and probably never have. I doubt they'd use them for anything (since to my knowledge they never actually have)-- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, that's it. They don't keep asking you every single time. These idiots just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again. And again, see the AARP link, which explains why SS#s are routinely used for identification. I didn't see any link. For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even if it meant I couldn't go. I don't trust them to keep those records secure from people who might use them for identity theft. So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes-- Of course. But that's not why the TMO is asking for them, obviously. OK, why are they asking for them then? who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that info? Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding citizen, first of all. Some lower-level administrative person with financial needs and no scruples might have access to a list of SS#s and get ideas. Lists of SS#s are worth big bucks in the identity theft market. You can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to individuals who commit the actual identity theft. Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could get to non-TMO people. Someone could walk in a door left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash; a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc. This is why you don't want to have to give out your SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're *worth lots of money*, and even an organization with the most spotless motives can be careless about how they're handled. Knowing the level of disorganization and general incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them to keep the numbers secure. That's my point exactly. Whether it's directly by someone with some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information. Neither would I. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are letting everyone in the dome--except LB. is exactly what I heard from my marginally on the program friends. snip It's such a weird world. Apparently there are actually quite a few people still being rejected, but my case is (I am told) The Gold Standard. If they knew how much it would improve their PR to let me in, I'd be in in a heartbeat. But they don't. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. I also think it comes down nowadays to a simple cost/benefit analysis, like anything else. Is there enough benefit that I will receive by involving myself with this organization vs. the cost, monetary or otherwise, of associating with the organization? My affinity for the TMO is much more about the organizational dynamics than whether I choose to involve myself in alternative spiritual esoterica. I really appreciate the 'Vedic template' that Maharishi has been patiently been putting in place for so many years, and I have found the TM techniques exceptionally effective at all levels. However the TMO has been for me a victim of its own success. The more I achieve the less need I have for the organization, which I think is the way it is supposed to be- except for those whose dharma it is to work within the organization. Having said that, I am extremely grateful to those on this current course. It is having a palpable effect even as far away as where I call home, northern California. My partner and I have been noticing among other things how the quality of our dreams has changed since the course began. I also notice the effect of the course during my meditation. Just a livelier time, all around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: They are letting everyone in the dome--except LB. is exactly what I heard from my marginally on the program friends. snip It's such a weird world. Apparently there are actually quite a few people still being rejected, but my case is (I am told) The Gold Standard. If they knew how much it would improve their PR to let me in, I'd be in in a heartbeat. But they don't. L B S *** Hagelin and cronies are barring people from the dome for visiting others seen as competition for the hearts and minds of TMers, but Hagelin is proud of his association with Ramtha, was in a movie produced by and featuring this obvious hoax, and tours the country with what the MUM publicity team terms the prestigious Phophets conference: http://uspeacegovernment.org/news/2005_03.html How loopy is Ramtha?: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html#dance Hagelin is really not interested in improving the school's PR as long as he personally can feel important and be applauded by knuckleheads. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
(snip) I also think it comes down nowadays to a simple cost/benefit analysis, like anything else. Is there enough benefit that I will receive by involving myself with this organization vs. the cost, monetary or otherwise, of associating with the organization? I am sure the people running this course are also thinking in terms of 'cost/benefit analysis', so that perhaps it is not worth their while to entertain people who they feel will be disruptive and counterproductive... Also, I really don't see how this Lifton study on 'cults', Is any different from any organized belief system, whether it be any of the organized religions, or even the way our whole culture is stuctured. Any time there is human structure of any kind; there follows rules, do's and don'ts and vieing for political power. One of the only organizations that had avoided this, is the Twelve Step programs, which specifically have a structure that avoids anyone becoming a leader or 'head' of the group; and the money is not used for promotion, and other safe-guards to avoid ego taking over. But it is never easy to structure any organization without ego vieing for power, money, and the like... presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work their mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit. The movement seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that respects mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to decide things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their 20's and less self-assured. From the outside it is fascinating to see them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands. I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must exist even in devoted members, who are still close to the organization. It seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's words would have a completely different effect by this time. When I talk with people who still do the program about the movement, there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more turned off to the teaching. My guess is that although FFL is a small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle and practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline. I meet people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for fear of being cut out of courses. I would love to know the numbers on both these sides. I also think it comes down nowadays to a simple cost/benefit analysis, like anything else. Is there enough benefit that I will receive by involving myself with this organization vs. the cost, monetary or otherwise, of associating with the organization? My affinity for the TMO is much more about the organizational dynamics than whether I choose to involve myself in alternative spiritual esoterica. I really appreciate the 'Vedic template' that Maharishi has been patiently been putting in place for so many years, and I have found the TM techniques exceptionally effective at all levels. However the TMO has been for me a victim of its own success. The more I achieve the less need I have for the organization, which I think is the way it is supposed to be- except for those whose dharma it is to work within the organization. Having said that, I am extremely grateful to those on this current course. It is having a palpable effect even as far away as where I call home, northern California. My partner and I have been noticing among other things how the quality of our dreams has changed since the course began. I also notice the effect of the course during my meditation. Just a livelier time, all around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 1:20 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt. For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender. I don¹t think they keep it in a database. I think they keep file folders on everyone. One friend of mine who applied said they referred to an ad for healing services she had placed in the Weekly Reader years ago. I think they actually clipped and saved the ad. Someone needs to get laid on a more regular basis. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] After looking at a detailed report prepared by the major advocates of this perspective [including Singer--JS], the American Psychological Association concluded that the idea of brainwashing and mind control as popularly applied to the new religious movements was scientifically unacceptable. It had been arrived at through a sloppy metholology and poor scientific work. Subsequently the American Sociological Association and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion reached a similar conclusion. As a result, testimony concerning brainwashing and mind control have properly been banished from consideration by American courts as an idea lacking any scientific credibility. Singer sued the APA over this and lost, BTW. But, it's nice for cult-followers to be able to blame the cult rather than themselves--whether it's the TMO that serves their needs for a cult to belong to or some other group--so they keep dragging out the cult victim claim and then complain that someone is blaming the victim when people point out that not everyone has had the same experience with the TMO that they do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
(snip) Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) I wouldn't at all be surprised, that the movement has kept every little peice of paper that has your name on it; From the very beginning of your involvement with it. When I was on TTC in 1977, in France; It seemed at the end, when we were made teachers; The people handling the paperwork, seemed like mostly Germans; And we all know about their obsession with record keeping... I guess Freud called this: Anal Retentive Anyway, they had every paper that I had ever submitted, in my file; Which I was instructed, not to look at; But, I to a peek anyway; after all, it was(is) my file, right? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Miami
Hey, just saw that Adyashanti is going to be in my neck of the woods this weekend. Very clear, nice, realized guy. Think I'll go check him out. He hasn't stolen any of Earl's money, has he? ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Thanks for the flashback! I remember at the very end of my TTC they made a point of having us hold the file in our hands but told us not to look. I didn't know if it was a test or what it was. I was too afraid, I admire you for looking! What was it's purpose? I thought it might be some legal thing that they were fulfilling since they had records on us but we did not work for them as employees. Was it to let us know that they had a file on us? It was a weird moment. Any TTC teacher care to weigh in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) I wouldn't at all be surprised, that the movement has kept every little peice of paper that has your name on it; From the very beginning of your involvement with it. When I was on TTC in 1977, in France; It seemed at the end, when we were made teachers; The people handling the paperwork, seemed like mostly Germans; And we all know about their obsession with record keeping... I guess Freud called this: Anal Retentive Anyway, they had every paper that I had ever submitted, in my file; Which I was instructed, not to look at; But, I to a peek anyway; after all, it was(is) my file, right? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the reply. Lifton and Singer established 8 principles from their work with Korean war vets. I don't know Lifton but did know the late Margret Singer. She was fascinated by how some modern groups had refined the techniques to become less obvious and more subtle. Note that the Korean war vets in question had been prisoners of war in Korea and China; that's Lifton's and Singer's model, which they then (especially Singer) extrapolated to new religious groups (or cults). (Curtis believes, incidentally, or did back in 1997 when he was posting to alt.m.t, that the same methods used on the Korean war vets to alter their thinking about communism were used on him in the context of the TMO--in their more subtle form, of course. He was quoted as claiming in the Washington, DC, City Paper, 7/13/90, that the TM thought reform techniques are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used.) Not surprisingly, Singer found the techniques used by the Koreans and Chinese to brainwash prisoners of war had been refined to become less obvious and more subtle in the new religious groups. The problem is that if you posit a sufficient degree of subtlety, you can make all *kinds* of things fit these principles, and you can find them, in their less obvious, more subtle form, in any number of groups and organizations that nobody would consider cults. The problem with anticults (especially lay ones like Curtis) is that they never draw the necessary lines. At what point does the subtlety of these techniques mean that they aren't techniques at all but simply the normal, accepted way of doing things in a particular context, with no sinister motivations, and perhaps even a well-founded practical basis? If the range of subtlety of these techniques can be extended indefinitely, it becomes possible to pick virtually any group and find enough of its procedures in their subtle forms among Lifton's and Singer's list of thought-reform techniques. But if these techniques can be found in virtually any group by the simple expedient of claiming they are used in such a highly refined form that they aren't obvious (or even evident), it no longer becomes possible to make valid distinctions between groups that are cults and groups that are not on the basis of the techniques criterion. Instead, what happens is that groups are placed under suspicion of being cults on other grounds, which typically boil down to the fact that they have beliefs one does not oneself hold, or that one does not care for the personality of the leader, or other irrelevancies (including that one has left a particular group and needs to find justification for doing so). Only then are the technique criteria applied, and lo and behold, these suspect groups are all found to utilize very subtle forms of these techniques. From court testimony in a Hare Krishna case by cult expert G. Gordon Melton: More recently, several people have espoused the idea of brainwashing (also termed thought control, coercive persuasion, or mind control). Proponents suggested that cults had discovered a new psychological technology, a technology which has somehow escaped the rest of the psychological world. With this technology it brainwashed young recruits and held them with such force that they are unable to break the spell of attachment to the group. These ideas which seemed to actually have a body of evidence behind them, provoked a heated debate among social scientists in the early 1980s. In the mid 1980s, the whole brainwashing perspective was thoroughly evaluated by the American Psychological Association. After looking at a detailed report prepared by the major advocates of this perspective [including Singer--JS], the American Psychological Association concluded that the idea of brainwashing and mind control as popularly applied to the new religious movements was scientifically unacceptable. It had been arrived at through a sloppy metholology and poor scientific work. Subsequently the American Sociological Association and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion reached a similar conclusion. As a result, testimony concerning brainwashing and mind control have properly been banished from consideration by American courts as an idea lacking any scientific credibility. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
This seems to be a delayed repeat; I responded to it in some detail when it was first posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, authfriend wrote: I had to supply it to my lawyer when I purchased a condo recently; the town requires it to transfer the deed. And as I noted, a physician I went to for a flu shot asked for it as well. It's still fairly common. And those are routine occurrences? Only in your world, Judy. Uh, no, Sal. It's still fairly common, as I said (and the AARP confirms). Last time I got a flu shot I paid them 10 bucks and they gave me the shot. I could have been a Martian for all they cared. And that proves...what, exactly? My health insurance card, with TEIGIT, has my SS# on it. I complained to them, because I can't carry the card in my wallet. They said they were working on a new system, but it wouldn't be ready for some time yet. Well, neither my health insurance card or that for my kids has any SS #s on it. My driver's license used to, but they stopped that years ago. I don't remember whether or not I had to give it to apply for any of the credit cards I've had over the years. I had to give my SS# to open a bank account six five years ago. You have to give it on most credit card applications. My landlord wanted it when I first rented the condo I just bought, also five years ago. And these relate to the TMO how, exactly? Would you describe any of the above situations as routine? SS #s are generally asked for when security issues are at stake, like with savings accounts and deeds, or when dealing with large amounts of people. Neither of those situations applies to the TMO courses, especially nowadays. You didn't answer my question, Sal. I don't think you have any actual threat in mind. You just thought it sounded good to use the word intimidation. And you've proven my point for me, by admitting you wouldn't give it to them. I think they know perfectly well that people, in general, don't like to give them out and probably never have. I doubt they'd use them for anything (since to my knowledge they never actually have)-- It's a power trip. And I don't think getting involved in that kind of game is healthy. And another point--usually when an organization asks you for one, that's it. They don't keep asking you every single time. These idiots just want you to know they've got something on you--again and again. And again, see the AARP link, which explains why SS#s are routinely used for identification. I didn't see any link. For the record, if I had to give them my SS# to go on a course these days, I wouldn't do it, even if it meant I couldn't go. I don't trust them to keep those records secure from people who might use them for identity theft. So then you *do* think they could be used for nefarious purposes- - Of course. But that's not why the TMO is asking for them, obviously. OK, why are they asking for them then? who else besides people in the TMO would ever have access to that info? Not everyone in the TMO is necessarily an upstanding citizen, first of all. Some lower-level administrative person with financial needs and no scruples might have access to a list of SS#s and get ideas. Lists of SS#s are worth big bucks in the identity theft market. You can sell them to brokers, who then sell them to individuals who commit the actual identity theft. Second, there are any number of ways the numbers could get to non-TMO people. Someone could walk in a door left unlocked and steal the records; some nitwit TMer could throw a batch of unneeded printouts in the trash; a janitor could find the records sitting on someone's desk; a hacker could break into the computer system if it weren't secured properly, etc., etc., etc. This is why you don't want to have to give out your SS# if you can possibly avoid it--because they're *worth lots of money*, and even an organization with the most spotless motives can be careless about how they're handled. Knowing the level of disorganization and general incompetence in the TMO, I simply wouldn't trust them to keep the numbers secure. That's my point exactly. Whether it's directly by someone with some nefarious intent, or simply because some idiot gets careless, you would not trust the TMO with potentially sensitive information. Neither would I. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/23/06 2:09 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had someone contact me recently to assist with a degree they are doing on aspects of MMY and the TMO. I am already aware of Dr Coplin's work. But to whom are your referring to when you write of 'people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO'? He might be referring to Rob McCutchean, who wrote a paper on it which youll find in our files section. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] After looking at a detailed report prepared by the major advocates of this perspective [including Singer--JS], the American Psychological Association concluded that the idea of brainwashing and mind control as popularly applied to the new religious movements was scientifically unacceptable. It had been arrived at through a sloppy metholology and poor scientific work. Subsequently the American Sociological Association and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion reached a similar conclusion. As a result, testimony concerning brainwashing and mind control have properly been banished from consideration by American courts as an idea lacking any scientific credibility. Singer sued the APA over this and lost, BTW. But, it's nice for cult-followers to be able to blame the cult rather than themselves--whether it's the TMO that serves their needs for a cult to belong to or some other group--so they keep dragging out the cult victim claim and then complain that someone is blaming the victim when people point out that not everyone has had the same experience with the TMO that they do. Yes, I agree, this is the typical blame someone else for your experience; Everyone on some level chooses his or her own experience; So we all need to take responsibility at some point. After all, it is our life, not a dress rehersal. Now, even the Kaplans, seem so victimized; Perhaps they do make some valid points; But they also had all of these experiences that money could buy; Mush personal time with Maharishi; I didn't get to do that. And I don't have the money that they do either. But in any case, when you are blaming, and not taking responsibility, there is no growth in this. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. Well that's a rather strange conseption considering that Jesus and Christ are two different personalities. For more information, please see: http://www.sharientl.org ...interesting that the two different personalities question is what you felt compelled to comment upon. Obviously, you don't seem bothered by the fact that YOUR scare tactic approach sounds eerily familiar to the fundamentalist Christian scare tactic approach... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ME for USA
--- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Did the americans manage 1700 ? If not, it is a historic event. First failiure of the TMO. Could have tragic consequenses. Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord or burn in hell for all eternity. Well that's a rather strange conseption considering that Jesus and Christ are two different personalities. For more information, please see: http://www.sharientl.org Correct adress: http://www.shareintl.org You remind me of a sales guy. Always coming back to the pitch! The bottom line is the sale. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They are letting everyone in the dome--except
LB. is exactly what
I heard from my marginally on the program friends.
snip
It's such a weird world. Apparently there are
actually quite a few people still being rejected,
but my case is (I am told) The Gold Standard.
If they knew how much it would improve their PR to
let me in, I'd be in in a heartbeat.
But they don't.
L B S
Their loss, L.B.. Why don't you tell John to call MMY
and ask him if you should be let in the dome? You
could tell John that he is in no position to accept
the karma of blocking the good intent of someone who
wants to get in the dome. Only MMY can decide that. On
an ATR ('77) I was on many moons ago, someones mother
was being blocked from attending TTC because she
taught asanas. When MMY came to see us her son told
MMY directly about the situation he was surprised. He
said outloud something like: She can't go to TTC
because she's teaching asanas? He acted like it was
the stupidest decision he had ever heard. He turned to
his secretary and told him to fix it. His mom got on
TTC right away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] course registration and SSNs
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] course registration and SSNs on 8/23/06 2:12 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one asked me to sign anything saying I would never see saints or do any other techniques. But if they knew that you had seen or done some, they would have pulled out those forms. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
The cult/thought reform information was useful for me but it may not be for everyone. There are ways to understand it that don't involve seeing yourself as a victim. As a teacher my first instinct in learning about this aspect of groups was to decide that I couldn't ethically teach the system to others. I decided that before I stopped meditating. I felt as though the way the information was imparted was not done in a manor that I was comfortable with. But everyone has to decide for themselves if this information is useful for their lives. Once I learned about it, I sought it out. That was my choice. It may not be yours or you may have already checked it out and decided it doesn't apply. But learning about how groups can shift beliefs doesn't make you a victim unless you want it to. It is just an influence. There are a lot of factors that influence its effectiveness. We are social primates and that had implications. I liked Margret Singer personally, and felt she was making a contribution to our understanding of group belief dynamics. Her heart was in the right place and she was a deep thinker. May she rest in peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] After looking at a detailed report prepared by the major advocates of this perspective [including Singer--JS], the American Psychological Association concluded that the idea of brainwashing and mind control as popularly applied to the new religious movements was scientifically unacceptable. It had been arrived at through a sloppy metholology and poor scientific work. Subsequently the American Sociological Association and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion reached a similar conclusion. As a result, testimony concerning brainwashing and mind control have properly been banished from consideration by American courts as an idea lacking any scientific credibility. Singer sued the APA over this and lost, BTW. But, it's nice for cult-followers to be able to blame the cult rather than themselves--whether it's the TMO that serves their needs for a cult to belong to or some other group--so they keep dragging out the cult victim claim and then complain that someone is blaming the victim when people point out that not everyone has had the same experience with the TMO that they do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/23/06 2:09 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had someone contact me recently to assist with a degree they are doing on aspects of MMY and the TMO. I am already aware of Dr Coplin's work. But to whom are your referring to when you write of 'people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO'? He might be referring to Rob McCutchean, who wrote a paper on it which you¹ll find in our files section. I couldn't find this, Rick. Could you be more specific as to where it is, what folder? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Feel'- the Energy of (your) The Soul...
Feeling the energy of your soul, can be another way to say: 'Simplest State of Awareness', which Maharishi uses to describe; Transcendental Consciousness... 'Feeling at this finest level, that you are feeling your own soul... And, much has been written of the soul. Much literature, and quotes from Guru Dev, in regard to the soul. And the power of the soul, to create miracles, touch all other souls... Something to 'think' about. Or- Cog-nize(intuite?)about? or 'Re-Cognize...' -R.G. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] After looking at a detailed report prepared by the major advocates of this perspective [including Singer--JS], the American Psychological Association concluded that the idea of brainwashing and mind control as popularly applied to the new religious movements was scientifically unacceptable. It had been arrived at through a sloppy metholology and poor scientific work. Subsequently the American Sociological Association and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion reached a similar conclusion. As a result, testimony concerning brainwashing and mind control have properly been banished from consideration by American courts as an idea lacking any scientific credibility. Singer sued the APA over this and lost, BTW. But, it's nice for cult-followers to be able to blame the cult rather than themselves--whether it's the TMO that serves their needs for a cult to belong to or some other group First they have to justify defining the group as a cult, which is where Singer's incredibly sloppy thinking is so con-VE-nient, because the subtlety dodge allows you to define just about any group as a cult. --so they keep dragging out the cult victim claim and then complain that someone is blaming the victim when people point out that not everyone has had the same experience with the TMO that they do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the flashback! I remember at the very end of my TTC they made a point of having us hold the file in our hands but told us not to look. I didn't know if it was a test or what it was. I was too afraid, I admire you for looking! What was it's purpose? I thought it might be some legal thing that they were fulfilling since they had records on us but we did not work for them as employees. Was it to let us know that they had a file on us? It was a weird moment. Any TTC teacher care to weigh in? yeah, I just remember feeling that this was all my records which they had for all the years I had been filling out forms, and sending them in: they were all there in that folder, which at the time, I believe were being kept in Switzerland, where Maharishi stayed mostly in those days... So, it just felt like you were carrying all of your past 'Karma' in that folder; Plus they told you not to look, which made it really dramatic... So, anyway, I just had a peak, to see it was just all my papers which I had filled out over the years; And, the guy who I was supposed to give the folder to; Like the guard at the gate, so to speak: Well, he acted like he knew I had peaked or something; Because I remember him either saying, or giving me a look, like: What are You, doing here? As if to say, I can see your not following the rules, So how did they let You in??? Really weird.. Think he had some kind of German accent, figures? R.G. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) I wouldn't at all be surprised, that the movement has kept every little peice of paper that has your name on it; From the very beginning of your involvement with it. When I was on TTC in 1977, in France; It seemed at the end, when we were made teachers; The people handling the paperwork, seemed like mostly Germans; And we all know about their obsession with record keeping... I guess Freud called this: Anal Retentive Anyway, they had every paper that I had ever submitted, in my file; Which I was instructed, not to look at; But, I to a peek anyway; after all, it was(is) my file, right? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cult/thought reform information was useful for me but it may not be for everyone. There are ways to understand it that don't involve seeing yourself as a victim. [TM techniques] are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used, according to you. You also wrote, Lifton and Singer studied [Korean war vets] and brought out a model to understand the shifting of a person's belief without their conscious participation. It describes what happened to me in TM very well. It's difficult to see how these claims of yours could be consistent with not seeing yourself as a victim. As a teacher my first instinct in learning about this aspect of groups was to decide that I couldn't ethically teach the system to others. I decided that before I stopped meditating. I felt as though the way the information was imparted was not done in a manor that I was comfortable with. But everyone has to decide for themselves if this information is useful for their lives. Once I learned about it, I sought it out. That was my choice. It may not be yours or you may have already checked it out and decided it doesn't apply. How could it *not* apply if TM's techniques are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used? snip I liked Margret Singer personally, and felt she was making a contribution to our understanding of group belief dynamics. Her heart was in the right place and she was a deep thinker. Here's my favorite statement of this deep thinker (at least as reported by Curtis): According to Margret Singer who has personally worked with more than 3,000 cult victims TMers sustain the most damage of any members who have left a cult. (Note Curtis's--or perhaps Singer's--use of the term cult victims.) One *hopes* that Curtis has somewhat mangled this assertion of Singer's, and that what she *actually* said was more like, The former TMers with whom I have worked have sustained the most damage of any former cult members I have treated. But even that would be a rather peculiar assertion from someone who was supposedly scientifically minded. First, her sample of former TMers is self-selected, on two levels: (1) these are people who sought out therapy; (2) they are people who sought out *Singer* as their therapist. Second, neither Singer nor anyone else that I'm aware of has ever made a serious attempt to distinguish preexisting pathology from the effects of TM. (Indeed, given the specific claims TM makes and its documented effectiveness in some areas--e.g., reducing trait anxiety--it's likely that people with preexisting pathology tend to gravitate to TM in relatively larger numbers, so that's another factor skewing the sample.) So for her to suggest that her patients' damage was a result of their TM practice and/or exposure to its purported thought-reform techniques is completely unsupported by any data. Curtis, Singer may have been a very nice lady, but she was a *sloppy thinker*. To use her model and analysis as the basis of your perspective on your TM experience is iffy at best, and to promote it to others without the appropriate caveats is just plain irresponsible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Invincible Israel
y RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago JERUSALEM - With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts sayIsrael is sending a clear message toIran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons. The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to growing Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map. The new submarines, built at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany footing one-third of the bill, have propulsion systems that allow them to remain submerged for longer periods of time than the three nuclear-capable submarines already in Israel's fleet, the Jerusalem Post reported. The latest submarines not only would be able to carry out a first strike should Israel choose to do so, but they also would provide Israel with crucial second-strike capabilities, said Paul Beaver, a London-based independent defense analyst. Israel is already believed to have that ability in the form of the Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, which are buried so far underground they would survive a nuclear strike, he said. The Iranians would be very foolish if they attacked Israel, Beaver said. German officials have said the contract for the new submarines was signed on July 6, and the Jerusalem Post reported this week the subs will be operational shortly. Israel, operating on a policy of nuclear ambiguity, has never confirmed or denied whether it has nuclear weapons. It is believed, however, to have the world's sixth-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, including hundreds of warheads. Iran so far has resisted calls by theU.N. Security Council to halt uranium enrichment, despite an Aug. 31 deadline that is accompanied by the threat of sanctions. The dispute over Tehran's nuclear program revolves around Iran's insistence that it wants to master the technology simply to generate electricity. Critics say Iran wants to make nuclear weapons. The Dolphin submarine could be one of the best deterrents, Beaver said. The technology on the submarines makes them undetectable and gives them defensive capabilities in the case of attack, he said. They are very well-built, very well-prepared, lots of interesting equipment, one of the best conventional submarines available, Beaver said. We are talking about a third string of deterrence capabilities. Michael Karpin, an expert on Israel's nuclear capabilities who published a book on the issue in the United States, said nuclear submarines provide better second-strike capabilities than missiles launched from airplanes. Planes are vulnerable, unlike nuclear submarines that can operate for an almost unlimited amount of time without being struck, Karpin said. Second-strike capabilities are a crucial element in any nuclear conflict. In Germany, members of two opposition parties criticized the deal. Winfried Nachtwei, national security spokesman for the Greens, said the decision was wrong because Germany had obtained no guarantee the submarines would not be used to carry nuclear weapons. This red line should not be crossed, Nachtwei was quoted as saying by the taz newspaper. Otherwise it is a complete renunciation of Germany's policy of non-proliferation. David Menashri, an Israeli expert on Iran, said Tehran is clearly determined to obtain nuclear power and the purchase of additional Dolphin submarines by Israel is a small footnote in this context. What also makes Tehran dangerous, Beaver said, is that it may not understand the consequences of carrying out a nuclear strike. They (Iran) have a belligerent leadership and that's why Israel is prudent in ensuring that it has that deterrent capability, Beaver said. What they (the submarines) are is a very good insurance policy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ladies' Dome Mold
Title: Ladies' Dome Mold From a friend: The air quality in the ladies dome is very, very poor. I don't know how you ladies put up with it day in and day out. I could hardly breathe when I finally left. Mold filled to the max. I felt that my lips looked like Angelina's by the time I came out. I am very sensitive to mold but that was overkill for my system. Phew. No one can convince me that the mold has been cleaned out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences on 8/24/06 5:03 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/23/06 2:09 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had someone contact me recently to assist with a degree they are doing on aspects of MMY and the TMO. I am already aware of Dr Coplin's work. But to whom are your referring to when you write of 'people who got their PhD's in Sociology by researching the early history of MMY and the TMO'? He might be referring to Rob McCutchean, who wrote a paper on it which youll find in our files section. I couldn't find this, Rick. Could you be more specific as to where it is, what folder? Its called The Social and the Celestial.doc and is in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 5:03 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He might be referring to Rob McCutchean, who wrote a paper on it which you¹ll find in our files section. I couldn't find this, Rick. Could you be more specific as to where it is, what folder? It¹s called ³The Social and the Celestial.doc² and is in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp Thanks, Rick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. Guffaw. Up until recently, people were claiming that more than half the sidhas in Fairfield had been banned or so the comments were suggesting. 20% isn't that large, given what was being said 6 months ago on this list. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. Yes it does by any numbers you want to look at. Numbers in and numbers out. Numbers rejected. Enrollments at MSAE. Faculty and staff let go either at MSAE or MUM the general diaspora of the old TM community in the last several years. The money raised and not around. Stunning inertia that no tru-believers really step up to talking about resolution of how it is going here. A few hundreds of earnest people left in the middle just go along enabling and condone it by doing it. Some got fervor may be, but not much by way of being able to reconcile how it is going. A lot of people dove for the floor boards when ShivaMa's letters came out at the beginning of August. There are hundreds of people lying by omission to be in the dome. All kinds of circumstances. ShivaMa had all kinds of threatening going on when she made her letters public. The letters kind of said it as it is here. A lot of fist-shaking in her face. Terse conversation and then some nut threatened to kill her for doing it. A lot of people have a lot at stake in their lives to be able to go to the domes by the guidelines, whatever the guidelines are. Right now the guidelines are morally the problem here that keeps it from happening for the TMorg. The TMorg is helpless in its processes of theocracy. So yes, Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: nablus108 writes: it's sad really, that the situation for the USA now is so grave that the TMO seems to loosen up on the gudelines. Doug writing: Yes that is the point and it is about the guidelines here the nature of the meditating community here. It is about necessity. If they (the TMorg) really enforced the guidelines hundreds of people would not qualify to be part of the ME here The rank and file and all the echelon of the movement are involved. Do people lie to get in to the domes?. Probalbly most if it was really pressed. ShivaMa is not extraordinary really. There are simply many hundreds of people just like her. There are hundreds of people like her in the domes now. The guidelines are just out of line and on the ground the administration is doing the best it can in a theocracy where the current project is to try for the ME. An irony is that Jeanne is actually the tru-beiliever by her experience if anyone is. With Kind Regards, -Doug in FF Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer 54 minutes ago JERUSALEM - With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts sayIsrael is sending a clear message toIran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons. The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to growing Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map. The new submarines, built at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany footing one-third of the bill, have propulsion systems that allow them to remain submerged for longer periods of time than the three nuclear-capable submarines already in Israel's fleet, the Jerusalem Post reported. What a load of cr*p- Germany discounts one-third and US ponies up the rest. Gee, who is egging on this conflict hoping for greater weapon sales? H and wasn't Germany in the news just yesterday saying it rejects the Iran proposal regarding uranium enrichment? What a stupid, greedy way to make money- I hope both subs sink to the ocean floor... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet, on 8/24/06 4:45 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How loopy is Ramtha?: I have a friend who was in Ramtha for 8 years, and who left, as did many others, when they all started drinking. The entire gang, JZ Knight included, would get plastered regularly because Ramtha recommended it. Many became raging alcoholics. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question on suitability of experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/24/06 5:03 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: snip He might be referring to Rob McCutchean, who wrote a paper on it which you¹ll find in our files section. I couldn't find this, Rick. Could you be more specific as to where it is, what folder? It¹s called ³The Social and the Celestial.doc² and is in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp Thanks, Rick. What was the context of this paper? Where was it published/what was its intended audience? And what is Robert McCutchean's background, both academic,. and TM-related? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. Guffaw. Up until recently, people were claiming that more than half the sidhas in Fairfield had been banned or so the comments were suggesting. 20% isn't that large, given what was being said 6 months ago on this list. 20% is incredibly large. And the 20% figure is NOT incompatible with the more than half figure you cite above. Spare Egg, you do realize, don't you, that not all Sidhas live in Fairfield...they are scattered about in places like Tucson, Arizona for example. So you could have 50% rejected in Fairfield and, say, 10% or 15% rejected elsewhere and this would still come out to 20% overall. Do the math, Genius. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. Yes it does by any numbers you want to look at. Numbers in and numbers out. Numbers rejected. Enrollments at MSAE. Faculty and staff let go either at MSAE or MUM the general diaspora of the old TM community in the last several years. The money raised and not around. Stunning inertia that no tru-believers really step up to talking about resolution of how it is going here. A few hundreds of earnest people left in the middle just go along enabling and condone it by doing it. Some got fervor may be, but not much by way of being able to reconcile how it is going. A lot of people dove for the floor boards when ShivaMa's letters came out at the beginning of August. There are hundreds of people lying by omission to be in the dome. All kinds of circumstances. ShivaMa had all kinds of threatening going on when she made her letters public. The letters kind of said it as it is here. A lot of fist-shaking in her face. Terse conversation and then some nut threatened to kill her for doing it. A lot of people have a lot at stake in their lives to be able to go to the domes by the guidelines, whatever the guidelines are. Right now the guidelines are morally the problem here that keeps it from happening for the TMorg. The TMorg is helpless in its processes of theocracy. So yes, Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. The nut should be banned from the course also, obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it does by any numbers you want to look at. Numbers in and numbers out. Numbers rejected. Enrollments at MSAE. Faculty and staff let go either at MSAE or MUM the general diaspora of the old TM community in the last several years. The money raised and not around. Stunning inertia that no tru-believers really step up to talking about resolution of how it is going here. A few hundreds of earnest people left in the middle just go along enabling and condone it by doing it. Some got fervor may be, but not much by way of being able to reconcile how it is going. A lot of people dove for the floor boards when ShivaMa's letters came out at the beginning of August. There are hundreds of people lying by omission to be in the dome. All kinds of circumstances. ShivaMa had all kinds of threatening going on when she made her letters public. The letters kind of said it as it is here. A lot of fist-shaking in her face. Terse conversation and then some nut threatened to kill her for doing it. A lot of people have a lot at stake in their lives to be able to go to the domes by the guidelines, whatever the guidelines are. Right now the guidelines are morally the problem here that keeps it from happening for the TMorg. The TMorg is helpless in its processes of theocracy. So yes, Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. There's more to Fairfield than just the TMO. Lately, the weekly Waking Down sittings have been particularly lively, with 20-25 people showing up for them. Granted, it's a very small niche compared to the TM group, but it's the greatest level of interest in WD that I've seen in the 2.5 years that I've been involved. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. Guffaw. Up until recently, people were claiming that more than half the sidhas in Fairfield had been banned or so the comments were suggesting. 20% isn't that large, given what was being said 6 months ago on this list. 20% is incredibly large. And the 20% figure is NOT incompatible with the more than half figure you cite above. Spare Egg, you do realize, don't you, that not all Sidhas live in Fairfield...they are scattered about in places like Tucson, Arizona for example. So you could have 50% rejected in Fairfield and, say, 10% or 15% rejected elsewhere and this would still come out to 20% overall. Do the math, Genius. What you say is true, but how many are being rejected from Fairfield, and from elsewhere? I'm assuming that most people applying ARE from FF. You're assuming that most are not? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What they (the submarines) are is a very good insurance policy. * They are not in any way an insurance policy. The nuclear weapons of the U.S. are a deterrent of sorts against massive attacks conducted by governments, but not against rogue attacks carried out covertly (a ship of Liberian registry slips into NY harbor and detonates an atomic bomb, provenance unknown -- a private submarine comes to within 50 miles of the U.S. coast and pops a cruise missile with atomic weapons, time from launch to detonation over D.C., 45 seconds). Israel is a small country and a very small number of nukes launched covertly, without the approval or knowledge of the nations from which the missiles are launched, could obliterate this country, which is as narrow as ten miles wide in some places (as is obvious, Lebanon is one of those countries with weak governments which cannot control actions of militants within its borders). So there is there no real deterrent effect to Israel's nuclear weapons, because you can't deter small rogue groups, only governments. Israeli nuclear sabre rattling amounts, as author Seymour Hersh suggested in the title of his book on Israel's nukes, to being the Samson option (the blinded Samson knocks down the pillars and kills everybody including himself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 4:45 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How loopy is Ramtha?: I have a friend who was in Ramtha for 8 years, and who left, as did many others, when they all started drinking. The entire gang, JZ Knight included, would get plastered regularly because Ramtha recommended it. Many became raging alcoholics. Some days you're Crazy Wisdom and some day's you're a f*ckin' alcoholic. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. on 8/24/06 7:33 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. Never did walk his talk. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 1:20 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Those weren't the kinds of records I was talking about, obviously. Any dirt on anyone I'm sure they'd keep somewhere, even any alleged dirt. For all we know, they probably have a database somewhere on *future* dirt, and who is most likely to be a contender. I don¹t think they keep it in a database. I think they keep file folders on everyone. One friend of mine who applied said they referred to an ad for healing services she had placed in the Weekly Reader years ago. I think they actually clipped and saved the ad. File folders! Oh, no, retro :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: They are letting everyone in the dome--except LB. is exactly what I heard from my marginally on the program friends. snip It's such a weird world. Apparently there are actually quite a few people still being rejected, but my case is (I am told) The Gold Standard. If they knew how much it would improve their PR to let me in, I'd be in in a heartbeat. But they don't. L B S Well LB, it's good to be number 1 (VBG for the humor impaired). I hope you're not really disappointed, and having fun. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 7:33 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. Never did walk his talk. So all he ever did was intimidate people? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. Guffaw. Up until recently, people were claiming that more than half the sidhas in Fairfield had been banned or so the comments were suggesting. 20% isn't that large, given what was being said 6 months ago on this list. 20% is incredibly large. And the 20% figure is NOT incompatible with the more than half figure you cite above. Spare Egg, you do realize, don't you, that not all Sidhas live in Fairfield...they are scattered about in places like Tucson, Arizona for example. So you could have 50% rejected in Fairfield and, say, 10% or 15% rejected elsewhere and this would still come out to 20% overall. Do the math, Genius. What you say is true, but how many are being rejected from Fairfield, and from elsewhere? I'm assuming that most people applying ARE from FF. You're assuming that most are not? I have no idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Miami
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, just saw that Adyashanti is going to be in my neck of the woods this weekend. Very clear, nice, realized guy. Think I'll go check him out. He hasn't stolen any of Earl's money, has he? ;-) Not yet! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the flashback! I remember at the very end of my TTC they made a point of having us hold the file in our hands but told us not to look. I didn't know if it was a test or what it was. I was too afraid, I admire you for looking! What was it's purpose? I thought it might be some legal thing that they were fulfilling since they had records on us but we did not work for them as employees. Was it to let us know that they had a file on us? It was a weird moment. Any TTC teacher care to weigh in? I kept a separate file with course leaders signatures for all testing on TTC. I saw how they screwed up their records, people got hassled, and I wanted to be sure I had a duplicate. I still have it. I started it because they tried to charge extra for the bus ride from the airport in Germany to the course in France. Everybody refused, but I knew it was going to be trouble. At the end of the course, they tried to collect initiation fees for advanced techniques that Maharishi had already given. Again everone refused. 1975-76 Vittel/Barritz. JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) I wouldn't at all be surprised, that the movement has kept every little peice of paper that has your name on it; From the very beginning of your involvement with it. When I was on TTC in 1977, in France; It seemed at the end, when we were made teachers; The people handling the paperwork, seemed like mostly Germans; And we all know about their obsession with record keeping... I guess Freud called this: Anal Retentive Anyway, they had every paper that I had ever submitted, in my file; Which I was instructed, not to look at; But, I to a peek anyway; after all, it was(is) my file, right? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 7:33 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. Never did walk his talk. I'm glad you said it - I said it nastier and canceled it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a trusted source who knows the score: At present 241 have NOT been accepted to the 3 places (not Huntsville Ont.) The number on the black list to the 15th Aug was exactly 343 rejected applications. Various reasons, BUT none clearly stated why all polite rejections at this time. What is the standard line is this time, 1) It would be better.. 2) Maharshi feels. 3) Please spend some extra time working at the center with the local governors and apply for the next course lurk So 2 out of 10 (or so) applicants have been rejected? This is MORE open? JohnY Vedic-Serf Good point. 20% is an incredibly huge number. Guffaw. Up until recently, people were claiming that more than half the sidhas in Fairfield had been banned or so the comments were suggesting. 20% isn't that large, given what was being said 6 months ago on this list. 20% is incredibly large. And the 20% figure is NOT incompatible with the more than half figure you cite above. Spare Egg, you do realize, don't you, that not all Sidhas live in Fairfield...they are scattered about in places like Tucson, Arizona for example. So you could have 50% rejected in Fairfield and, say, 10% or 15% rejected elsewhere and this would still come out to 20% overall. Do the math, Genius. They, (the TMO in FF) are acting like they have a lot of people to choose from. This is no longer true. 'Beg, cajole, and have somebody else pay' will be even less effective for the next course. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Smart. Kinda shitty that you had to protect yourself from your own movement, but you were right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for the flashback! I remember at the very end of my TTC they made a point of having us hold the file in our hands but told us not to look. I didn't know if it was a test or what it was. I was too afraid, I admire you for looking! What was it's purpose? I thought it might be some legal thing that they were fulfilling since they had records on us but we did not work for them as employees. Was it to let us know that they had a file on us? It was a weird moment. Any TTC teacher care to weigh in? I kept a separate file with course leaders signatures for all testing on TTC. I saw how they screwed up their records, people got hassled, and I wanted to be sure I had a duplicate. I still have it. I started it because they tried to charge extra for the bus ride from the airport in Germany to the course in France. Everybody refused, but I knew it was going to be trouble. At the end of the course, they tried to collect initiation fees for advanced techniques that Maharishi had already given. Again everone refused. 1975-76 Vittel/Barritz. JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Come off it, Judy. I'd be amazed if they had records going back a few years, much less when someone learned TM. The bit about the teacher's name is just more TMO silliness, as anyone could have made up a name. Tell you what...next time you apply for a course, make up some name to put in the initiator's blank, and see what happens--I'll bet nothing. (The name, of course, would have to be something that doesn't call attention to itself, could even be the name of an initiator, just not *your* initiator.) I wouldn't at all be surprised, that the movement has kept every little peice of paper that has your name on it; From the very beginning of your involvement with it. When I was on TTC in 1977, in France; It seemed at the end, when we were made teachers; The people handling the paperwork, seemed like mostly Germans; And we all know about their obsession with record keeping... I guess Freud called this: Anal Retentive Anyway, they had every paper that I had ever submitted, in my file; Which I was instructed, not to look at; But, I to a peek anyway; after all, it was(is) my file, right? R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fascinating Mayan crop designs.
--- http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton2006a.html Crop designs have reached a new level of sophistication this season. --- --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines? on 8/24/06 6:20 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, Sounds like Fairfield is one big disintegrating mess. But only if you equate MUM with FF. FF is much more than MUM, and in my experience, is a great place to live a thriving, diverse spiritual community. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. on 8/24/06 8:31 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 7:33 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. Never did walk his talk. So all he ever did was intimidate people? No, but he structured an atmosphere in which there was plenty of intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. Mixed bag. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] The Gene of Civilization
--- Anunnaki intervention into human evolution: http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ASPM.html The sudden introduction of ASPM into our genetic lineage occurred around the time of Anu's state visit to Earth as described by Zecharia Sitchin. This occurred around the time of Nibiru's appearance. Which means that the passage of Nibiru is intimately connected not just with our rapid social development and evolution, but with actual physical changes in our genetic make-up. --- --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fascinating Mayan crop designs.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fascinating Mayan crop designs. on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton2006a.html Crop designs have reached a new level of sophistication this season. How come most of these happen in the UK? Has anyone ever been caught in the act of making one? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Camp Ashraf; another Katyn massacre?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have learned (and I am not very up to speed) that there is a camp with 5,000 Iranian dissidents due east of Baghdad and 60 miles from the Iranian border. Iran are demanding that they are handed over as part of a deal for their non involvement. If they get handed over and killed, as seems likely, then would this be a major war crime? Is this issue generally known about? Why have the Americans not put them in a transport aircraft and got them out of the way months or years ago? First of allwhy do you assume they would be killed by Iranians? Have you been brainwashed to think that? What evidence (specifically) do you have for this? The only people who are PROVEN to indiscriminantly kill civilians in that region recently are the Americans and British. What on earth makes you think that the Americans remotely care about what THEY call the sand niggers there? They (as an admistration) ONLY care about Jesus believers. We cannot let them get away with the fundamentalist criminal arrogance they clearly showed in the past due to their fundamentalist trbal Jesus beliefs. It may be the end of the human race if they are able to continue with this childish belief system. OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Lol ! David Hawthorne and Tim Britton got rejected?? !!! Ridiculous. Tim's bagpipes are not even of the loud kindthe Irish pipes are QUIET compared to the Scottish pipes that MMY loves (and I hate - scotsman) I do believe that they should let LBS into the dome...then...do an objective, double-blind study, peer-reviewed in short process, andif HE doesn't cause a disturbance ...jeez...let THE REAT OF THEM IN ! I'm going to e-mail Hagelin with this proposal. They need to wake up and get real ! (By the way ...I'd like to get Shiva Ma on the foam. She would LOVE it...but that's just me) OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, that disruptive thing is tough to figure out. They are claiming that it's the decisive factor in most of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I first applied a couple of weeks ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. For example, what's so fucking disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would leave his bagpipes outside if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to perform homa on the foma? Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with his outlaw Deeksha? L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Disruptive? Hah,it is about MOJO. Oh heck L B, Bevan just thinks you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Yeah, you're just a weapon of mass destruction in their book. Best Regards fra FF, -Doug Oh BTW, L B, the next time you try to apply they will take you to the library basement where normal people do not go and then show you the 'rack'. It worked on Galileo. It worked on that wrong thinking before, you'll sing like a bird too recanting everything and signing about anything to git back in. Appeasement, it did not work before with Hilter either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote:The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. Doug writing: oh heck LB, they just think you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million. It is pretty obvious. Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Dear Friends at FFLife, I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not considered eligible at this time to participate, after nearly a month of having my application in process. Of course not. They would have to eat way too much crow to let you in. -Doug in FF The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the upper regions of the administration, although the perception there is that it is more widespread. Therefore there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would be disruptive. This is essentially the Weapons of Mass Destruction argumentit is convenient, but doesn't match the facts on the ground. They don't perceive that most people would rather have them let me in and drop this blacklisting bullshit. Despite that, my application actually did get into the region where acceptance was a possibility. There just wasn't enough momentum behind it to carry it through this time. From my point of view, this situation represents progress, and I believe that if you want more of something in life, it's good to show appreciation. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Mayan crop designs.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 9:54 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/etchilhampton/etchilhampton2006a.html Crop designs have reached a new level of sophistication this season. How come most of these happen in the UK? Has anyone ever been caught in the act of making one? Yes, people sometimes, balls of light and other phenomena others. At least that's what the serious folks who study them say. They disagree about the percentages of circles made by people versus other things. One thing that I can say for sure: They weren't made by pundits. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Andrew Cohen interview with Dzongsar on crushing the ego.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big snip My partner and I have been noticing among other things how the quality of our dreams has changed since the course began. I also notice the effect of the course during my meditation. Just a livelier time, all around. I have noticed this change in the quality of dreams also. It's really been fascinating to explore another, much deeper level of the dreaming mind. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Subs give Israel insurance in N bomb attacks
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[FairfieldLife] SO WHAT's THE SCOOP ? ? ?
I can't keep up with all the posts right now in FFL, but does anyone have the low-down on how the course is going? I heard good things... ...but are there a lot of people in FF, DC, and elsewhere??? Has MMY said anything different or interesting than has been said before??? ( is it HOE and EOW [end of world] at one and the same time or what??? ) What are course participants expiencing?anything new?...or the same old (wannabbeee enlightened) moodmaking??? Gather your reports here please...for all to see. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
Reply below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000
bmorry2000@ wrote:
They are letting everyone in the dome--except
LB. is exactly what
I heard from my marginally on the program friends.
snip
It's such a weird world. Apparently there are
actually quite a few people still being rejected,
but my case is (I am told) The Gold Standard.
If they knew how much it would improve their PR to
let me in, I'd be in in a heartbeat.
But they don't.
L B S
Their loss, L.B.. Why don't you tell John to call MMY
and ask him if you should be let in the dome? You
could tell John that he is in no position to accept
the karma of blocking the good intent of someone who
wants to get in the dome. Only MMY can decide that. On
an ATR ('77) I was on many moons ago, someones mother
was being blocked from attending TTC because she
taught asanas. When MMY came to see us her son told
MMY directly about the situation he was surprised. He
said outloud something like: She can't go to TTC
because she's teaching asanas? He acted like it was
the stupidest decision he had ever heard. He turned to
his secretary and told him to fix it. His mom got on
TTC right away.
Hagelin told me he had taken it as far as he was willing to take it at this
time, having
recently stuck his neck out quite a lot.
I do not at this time feel any impulse toward further action, although that
could change in
the future, of course.
I promised myself when I was excommunicated that when I went back into the Dome
it
could only be one way: straight up and clean. In one sense that means no
recanting or
grovelling, but it also means being in a state of equanimity with respect to
the outcome.
When I feel a true impulse to act I will do so, but I am OK biding my time,
even if it means
another 12 years.
L B S
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[FairfieldLife] (((...???
((... ... 'scuse me...apologies aforehand...but I'm in a BAD mood (and I'm allowed that)... because I just had to quit a job (that I don't need for the money ), out of principal, ...I am glad I did it)) BUT... WHY...OH WHYdoes Up thread not..GO!!! 'up thread'..? and WHY...OH WHY...do my messages take HOURS to post. ( apologies...BAD HAIR DAY AS WELL ! ! ! .although that is almost everyday for me) OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well LB, it's good to be number 1 (VBG for the humor impaired). I hope you're not really disappointed, and having fun. Well, I didn't make it to Woodstock, either, but I don't lay awake nights wondering if my life would be perfect now if I'd just been a bit more ambitious about finding a ride. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (((...???
Dude, this is cyber-Cheers. You have been heard. Tomorrow is another day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ((... ... 'scuse me...apologies aforehand...but I'm in a BAD mood (and I'm allowed that)... because I just had to quit a job (that I don't need for the money ), out of principal, ...I am glad I did it)) BUT... WHY...OH WHYdoes Up thread not..GO!!! 'up thread'..? and WHY...OH WHY...do my messages take HOURS to post. ( apologies...BAD HAIR DAY AS WELL ! ! ! .although that is almost everyday for me) OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SO WHAT's THE SCOOP ? ? ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't keep up with all the posts right now in FFL, but does anyone have the low-down on how the course is going? I heard good things... ...but are there a lot of people in FF, DC, and elsewhere??? Has MMY said anything different or interesting than has been said before??? On the press conference of 23Aug2006, showing now on mou.org, MMY says that ordinary non-millionaire types should gather together and create their own flying-hall communities around the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin told me he had taken it as far as he was willing to take it at this time, having recently stuck his neck out quite a lot. That really sounds like a load -- Hagelin has made it clear for years that he is one of the hardest hard-liners in insisting that purity must be maintained in the domes -- I'm sure you remember his 2001 article in the Fairfield Weekly reader: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/funeral.html#beanie To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SO WHAT's THE SCOOP ? ? ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I can't keep up with all the posts right now in FFL, but does anyone have the low-down on how the course is going? I heard good things... ...but are there a lot of people in FF, DC, and elsewhere??? Has MMY said anything different or interesting than has been said before??? On the press conference of 23Aug2006, showing now on mou.org, MMY says that ordinary non-millionaire types should gather together and create their own flying-hall communities around the world. I guess then they can Blacklist each other. JohnY former vedic serf (non millionaire type) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hell not quite frozen over yet,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hagelin told me he had taken it as far as he was willing to take it at this time, having recently stuck his neck out quite a lot. I do not at this time feel any impulse toward further action, although that could change in the future, of course. I promised myself when I was excommunicated that when I went back into the Dome it could only be one way: straight up and clean. In one sense that means no recanting or grovelling, but it also means being in a state of equanimity with respect to the outcome. When I feel a true impulse to act I will do so, but I am OK biding my time, even if it means another 12 years. L B S Yea, but you're a nice guy...and I AM NOTI don't need anyone... or any Maharishi.or any GODor any Domeever !!! (I appreciate MMY's program.as THE best thing...but I do not believe in his ALL KNOWING... just as he does not)...\ ...But, I do believe it is time to nail the final nail in the coffin of the small mind. I cannot accept it... I would be HAPPY...to be at risk of getting my neck CUT OFFnever mind sticking it out !...by the... Maharishiif such he be in order to insist that he looks at the photos of those refusedand then decide. I am 1000% sure that LBS would be accepted by MMY if he saw LBS. 1000 is an understatement. Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...that I AM NOT AFRAID OF???!!! Why is john Hagelin a coward??? What is he afraid of??? ...answer this OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SO WHAT's THE SCOOP ? ? ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I can't keep up with all the posts right now in FFL, but does anyone have the low-down on how the course is going? I heard good things... ...but are there a lot of people in FF, DC, and elsewhere??? Has MMY said anything different or interesting than has been said before??? On the press conference of 23Aug2006, showing now on mou.org, MMY says that ordinary non-millionaire types should gather together and create their own flying-hall communities around the world. Is this a mis-qoute? Or are there actually, in existence, 'extra-ordinary non- millionaires', as opposed to 'ordinary millionaires' ? In addition...did he mention how non-millionaires can afford to leave their careers and homes to burnfor this save the world again course.AFTER HIS heaven on earth endless claims??? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subs give Israel insurance in N bomb attacks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mathatbrahman mathatbrahman@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/psk5t --- --- I'd suggest this instead. Makes a lot more sense- cheaper too! http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/24/06 8:31 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/24/06 7:33 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: MMY in the 23Aug2006 press conference at mou.org: It is not fear, but love, that creates law and order. Never did walk his talk. So all he ever did was intimidate people? No, but he structured an atmosphere in which there was plenty of intimidation and fear, as well as good stuff. Mixed bag. Yeah, God does the same thing, the bastard... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
