[FairfieldLife] Re: new plan: NY Times ad invites Investors for 200 Hospitals!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is just astonishing ... from NY Times ad: Investors are Invited to Consider our program of $2.6 Billion to build 200 unique Hospitals and $0.65 Billion to build 210 Invincible Schools in 37 countries with highest income per capita. Proposed Financing terms: 15 year loan with 10% Interest. source: http://www.globalfinancialcapitalny.org/ad/ Yes, in either Raams or dollars, such glossy rascals. Is such rascality as this actually legal in the State of New York? Secured by deposits, in India? -Doug in Iowa
[FairfieldLife] do watch this!
Myths about the developing world (with INCREDIBLE graphics)!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4237353244338529080q=genre% 3Adocumentary+duration%3Along With the drama and urgency of a sportscaster, Hans Rosling debunks a few myths about the developing world. Rosling is professor of international health at Sweden's world-renowned Karolinska Institute, and founder of Gapminder, a non-profit organization that brings vital global data to life. (Recorded February 2006 in Monterey, CA. Duration: 20:35 ps - the kind of graphics the TMO should adopt perhaps in global good news developments?
[FairfieldLife] Re: End the censorship, end the quotas
Yes shemp, please, leave sooner rather than later. Tom T
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
Lurk: Priceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. Jimmy F: So you prefer embalming to cremation? huh? lurk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
In a message dated 5/7/07 11:33:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: riceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. I’m not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. Anyone remember anything about that? The land was leased from the Indian government because it is in a National forest. Evidently the lease expired or M decided that the place had been out grown and was not needed any more. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
I guess we have to admit that understanding each other, and feeling understood by each other, is not one of our options Judy. I don't doubt that I contribute to the weirdness of it all. I think there is a fundamental lack of trust and rapport that makes real communication possible. It certainly hasn't been from a lack of effort on either side. But we just can't get there from here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: She's not worth the dialog Curtis. And the idea of this big tub of condescending snarkiness having a belly laugh or a horselaugh is extremely unappealing under any circumstances. Thanks Geezer. The whole victim projection is one of moves that people try to impose to make my leaving the movement into an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual choice. I have only heard it about one hundred times. And therefore you hear it *every* time, even when the person is saying something quite different. I did NOT suggest your leaving the movement was an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual choice. Now, what do you suppose I *did* say? And why do you suppose you turned it into something else? You've misconstrued just about everything I've said in this thread, inadvertently or otherwise. You can't even admit you were the first to get hostile when the evidence that was the case is clear as it could possibly be. When you're challenged, Curtis, you tend to go into *massive* denial.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
I'm not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. All they care about is money. They tore down the chapel on MUM campus without even a sigh on their parts. They just do what they want to do, when in Rome destroy Rome like Godzilla -- like me and you on our smaller scales, yes? A favorite story I was told -- don't know if it's true -- was when the movement had a fire in an assembly hall, and the folding chairs were burned. The chairs had been rented, so Maharishi told someone to quickly offer the renter of the chairs a low ball price for them -- low ball, cuz you know, they're old and worn etc. -- and thus he was able to buy the chairs for much lower cost than if the owner had known that they would otherwise have to have been replaced with full cost new chairs. So, if the story is true, then that shows the movement being perfectly willing to pass its bad karma downhill. It may be the natural order of things, but to me it was just another story of how the movement has no heart, no concern for our attachments or personal histories, no sense of fair play and the buck stops here, no honoring of our affections for family, nation, religion, career, etc. All is secondary to backroom mystery figures doing the deal making who can take a retiree's last buck and kick them out the door if they're one minute late on their next course fee payment. I could rationalize it all as tough love that evolves us out of our identifications, but again and again, zombie eyes of the course office slaves, zombie eyes of Bevan announcing the chapel's impending destruction, zombie eyes of John putting the hit on another married woman -- all these eyes -- I've never seen one of them blink yet. When the movement didn't blink for me, it felt like a bullet in the heart, but that's just me before Byron Katie. Now I know I allowed it all to happen, eyes wide shut. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End the censorship, end the quotas
On May 8, 2007, at 7:04 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Yes shemp, please, leave sooner rather than later. Tom T And what would that accomplish? Makes you feel superior in some way, does it? How do you know others don't feel the same way about you and your posts? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End the censorship, end the quotas
On May 8, 2007, at 7:04 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Yes shemp, please, leave sooner rather than later. Tom T And what would that accomplish? Makes you feel superior in some way, does it? How do you know others don't feel the same way about you and your posts? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: End the censorship, end the quotas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 8, 2007, at 7:04 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Yes shemp, please, leave sooner rather than later. Tom T And what would that accomplish? Makes you feel superior in some way, does it? How do you know others don't feel the same way about you and your posts? Well put, Sal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: keep the censorship, keep the quotas
shemp may leave ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feeding the world with organic agriculture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: jim flanegin wrote: just like MMY predicted. I guess he IS right once in awhile, eh? http://tinyurl.com/ywdbob hey, man. this article you posted seemed so cool to me, i sent it in, to globalgoodnews.com - figure they would like it. btw, i dont see it quite as a prediction so much as, MMY introduces new ideas into the collective consciousness, kind of like new sutras; and then waits to see what nature can support, at this stage of things. in this case, the new idea seems to be catching on pretty quick ... guess collective consciousness is evolving more quickly now! yeah I agree with your take on it- more like sutras. Pretty much like everything Maharishi does. Anyone remembers his electrical car project in the '80s ? Now electrical cars could help save this planet...
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: If you go to this link, you can see a whole bunch of photos taken just about 2 weeks ago of a group of TM students visiting Maharishi's ashram in Rishikesh. I had no idea it was abandoned and had become such a ruin! Priceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. lurk George, always such an uninformed fellow: Shankaracharya Nagar was sold many, many years ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A favorite story I was told -- don't know if it's true -- was when the movement had a fire in an assembly hall, and the folding chairs were burned. The chairs had been rented, so Maharishi told someone to quickly offer the renter of the chairs a low ball price for them -- low ball, cuz you know, they're old and worn etc. -- and thus he was able to buy the chairs for much lower cost than if the owner had known that they would otherwise have to have been replaced with full cost new chairs. Sounds reasonable to me, if the renter was satisfied with the price. What am I missing here? If the renter had been told that the chairs were ruined, would he have charged more to replace them than he would to sell them? That doesn't seem at all fair. So, if the story is true, then that shows the movement being perfectly willing to pass its bad karma downhill. It may be the natural order of things, but to me it was just another story of how the movement has no heart, no concern for our attachments or personal histories [etc., etc.] I dunno, I think there are lots better stories to illustrate these tendencies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: If you go to this link, you can see a whole bunch of photos taken just about 2 weeks ago of a group of TM students visiting Maharishi's ashram in Rishikesh. I had no idea it was abandoned and had become such a ruin! Priceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. lurk Or was it, again, Lurk the uninformed ? Whatever...
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. All they care about is money. They tore down the chapel on MUM campus without even a sigh on their parts. Having had to meditate in that dilapidated, mold-infested piece of crap when I was an MIU student, I was delighted to see it torn down. My recollection is that they sunk six figures into fixing the roof and repairing water damage, only to have the leaks return because the building was shifting due to a crumbling foundation in need of a half-million dollars worth of repairs. That's a lot of money for the university to throw at a building that served little purpose for the university. Thing is, there were two other old dilapidated buildings on old campus that were torn down in the early '80s with no objections at all. And, the oldest building on campus was condemned and would have been torn down, with no objections, had it not been completely restored at the expense of a large donor. So, where was the community's attachment to crumbling, moldy old buildings back in the 1980s? Why no wailing and moaning back then? My guess is that if Maharishi Sthapatya Veda had been around back then, and it had been part of the thinking behind those earlier demolitions, people would have bitched about those horrible roos destroying historic old buildings simply because there was weird esoteric woo-woo involved in the decision.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (for Richard J. Williams)
John wrote: For the benefit of all in the forum, we would like to know where you got all of your knowledge of the Yoga Sutras? According to Patanjali, (circa 200 B.C.) the phenomenal world is based on three constituents, three gunas born of nature, which make up the field relative field of prakriti. Totally separate from this is the Purusha, the Absolute field. Maharishi gave us this information in many lectures which I have on tape. According to Maharishi, the Vedic scriptures deal with the three modes of material nature, the three gunas; in order to become self-realized, you must transcend the three modes in pure spiritual conciousness, free from duality and be free from all conceptions of acquisition and preservation. This is the keystone in the arch to understanding the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2 Verse 45: actions are in all cases concerned with the three gunas; yoga is being free from these three constituents. According to Patanjali, the process of Yoga isolates the Purusha from the prakriti, using the Eightfold Path. The word kaivalya means isolation in Sanskrit. Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche Y.S. II. 25: 'tadabhavat samyoga bhavo hanam tad drseh kaivalyam' Swami Venketesananda Saraswati on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras: http://www.dailyreadings.com/sutras_1.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
Taking money from well-meaning donators under the auspices of a non- profit organisation and then using it for your own personal gains IS bad. And it's not holy either. Om, Was Girish the bag-man when Maharishi stole the Kaplan money? ... For automatic deduction from a bank account: I authorize the University to collect my monthly pledge from my checking account/ savings account. Enclosed is a voided check or savings deposit slip from my current account. shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?? What does the above have to do with anything? Did I incorrectly read the Kaplan posts that were posted here? Did I not read here that if you cross the Shrivastava family that you do it risking your own physical safety? Did I not read here that a donor who once sent $1 million to the Movement in India was told that the money was lost in transit? What does the fucking cultspeak that you blather above mean in this conversation?? shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempts to amass money is not bad. Taking money from well-meaning donators under the auspices of a non- profit organisation and then using it for your own personal gains IS bad. And it's not holy either. If many of the posters on this forum are to be believed, that is precisely what is happening with both Girish and his family. Is it true? I don't know. I've never seen formally audited financial statements of the Movement's goings-on in India in order to confirm whether it's true. Hey, I hope these nay-sayers are wrong...and it would be great to be proven wrong. But I ask: Do such audited documents exist? If so, what do they say? Do they contradict the charges against Girish et. al. that have been made here? dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: For automatic deduction from a bank account: I authorize the University to collect my monthly pledge from my checking account/ savings account. Enclosed is a voided check or savings deposit slip from my current account. ... The Dome is is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment this summer. ... They are fundamental to our cherished goals of invincibility for our country, and for creating a more perfect world. ... Maharishi is allowing us the honor to carry on his very precious work. Please make your donation or pledge now at whatever level you can, and thank you in advance for your support. ... Think of it as a small way to repay Maharishi's recent generosity... There has never been so much given to this community for so little cost.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh So, if the story is true, then that shows the movement being perfectly willing to pass its bad karma downhill. Talk to anyone who has done purchasing for the movement about the tactics they are taught. Such as telling suppliers that we are a large international organization. We want a few of these widgets at a ridiculous price because we're going to buy them for our whole organization, knowing, of course, that we are going to do no such thing. When the movement didn't blink for me, it felt like a bullet in the heart, but that's just me before Byron Katie. Speaking of whom, her new book, One Thousand Names for Joy, is fantastic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras
According to Patanjali, the process of Yoga isolates the Purusha from the prakriti, using the Eightfold Path. Billy wrote: Yes, but there is the Purusha immanent or manifest IN creation, this is Brahm or the highest relative... According to Patanjali, Ishvara is the inner controller, higher than even the subtlest relative. God Brahm is the Transcendental Person in the Upanishads, the Purusha, who is beyond this creation, that is, transcendental to the contituents of nature. What you have just described is a type of adwaitan illusionism which denies the 'personality' of God. You might consider this and avoid the error of thinking that God Brahm is just an illusion, a part and parcel of the relative. But in fact, God is the Transcendent Purusha in a Supreme Person - that's what 'God' means - a supreme person, the Ishvara of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. The argument that God is the highest of the relative is not a convincing argument. Badarayana, Ramanuja, Nimbarka, Madhva, and Vallabha all agree on this. Of all the Upanishadic thinkers, only Shankara places the Purusha among the relative illusions called Maya. Perhaps he was very impressed with the 'Appearance Only' theory of Shakya the Muni. Why do you suppose that Shankara was opposed by all the other Upanishadic philosophers, when in fact all the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists? Y.S. I. 24: 'klesa karma vipaka sayair aparam rstah purusa visesa isvarah' 'That unique indwelling omnipresence that is never tainted nor touched by the ground of actions and their reactions, which afflict ignorant individuals; that which is left-over after the ego-ignorance-collapse; that special inner ruler or intelligence which is unconditioned by time and whose will alone prevails even in the body. In it there is oneness, never divided. It is therefore beyond ignorance and its progeny.' Swami Venketesananda Saraswati on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras: http://www.dailyreadings.com/sutras_1.htm Maharishi with Swami Venkatesananda Saraswati: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/vent.jpg Yes, but there is the Purusha immanent or manifest IN creation, this is Brahm or the highest relative (MMY calls it God consciousness) and there is the Unmanifest Brahman beyond creation, (MMY calls this Unity) his reflection is IN creation as the *manifest* Purusha, it can take any form but is essentially the foundation of all manifest creation. Each Solar system has a solar deity or purusha which animates that creation, we are a part of the Immanent Purusha. The Unmanifest Brahman is the foundation of ALL Solar systems and ALL Galaxies/Universes etc. Each Purusha/Creator is limited by time and space. Brahman is not! Scripture commonly conflates the immanent/manifest Purusha and the Unmanifest Purusha or Brahman. That makes three...OM or Prakriti, Tat the son Brahma or creator, and Sat the Absolute Brahman. SAT-TAT-OM. Maybe so, Billy.
[FairfieldLife] My first post: getting real with myself
Hello all,
I'm new here. I do remember Rick and Carol Archer from MIU. Great folks.
Here's my TM resume. Maybe some of us know each other.
I started TM 1972 in Cleveland
Went to MIU in Santa Barbara 1973
Teacher training in Vittel, France early 1974Drove one of the moving vans from
Santa Barbara to Fairfield in the summer of 1974.Governor Training, 1976 in a
Arosa Switzerland.
Sidhis in Livingston Manor 1979I still meditate and enjoy it as an experience
but Re: the theory/religion/cosmic everything jazz, I have to leave that behind
to maintain my real-world sanity.
I check into this group every few months and read a few e-mails and sometimes
feel like yelling out loud, get out, break your chains, live your own life.
In my first years in the Movement I was moderately fanatical as I guess most of
us may have been and I had to distance myself because it is just like any other
movement that claims to have the answer to everything: it creates its own
craziness. Religions, multilevel marketing organizations, any kind of
fanatical belief breeds craziness and organizational dysfunction; it goes with
the territory.
Here I am about to preach to you all now. Darned if I can't listen to my own
advice!
I don't check in here much but it seems that people who have been in the
movement for ages and ages are continually analyzing, reviewing and thinking
about this meditation movement.
It seems that this intense ongoing scrutiny is in itself cultlike because it
occupies your time, heart, and emotions.
Leave it and go on with your important lives. You've got better things to do.
Gary Bond
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Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:33:05 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
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--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com,
george_deforest
george.deforest@ ... wrote:
If you go to this link, you can see a whole bunch of photos taken
just about 2 weeks ago of a group of TM students visiting Maharishi's
ashram in Rishikesh. I had no idea it was abandoned and had become
such a ruin!
Priceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds.
Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the
place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their
eye's closed. That must be it.
I’m not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall
that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. Anyone remember anything about
that?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Tony Nader + the lord of the rings...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone asked me to post this: From: joerg dao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tony Nader + the lord of the rings... Hi Rick, maybe you and the people at the FFL could help me out on this: I was seeing the end of the movie: Lord of the rings. There was this scene, which I think is NOT in the original book from Tolkien. Gandalf, all dressed in white, with long white hair and beard, takes a crown and crowns one of the hobbits to be a king. He than says: I crown you king, and this is the day of the king, and for bliss and . When I saw this, I felt, gee, this is, what Mr. M. has done. Both scenes, the one from the movie and those pic with Tony Nader really seem very similar But now my question: Can anyone sort out the facts: Was this film before Mr. M. crowned King Tony ? I than would say, Mr. M. is an ecclectic. He than must have seen this movie and scene and thought, gee, I could do that and crown someone. The funny part in the movie: The crownd hobbit doesn`t really know, what to do with that, and the surrounding hobbits don`t praise or cheer the new king. It just looks like one more stuffage... Any comments on that ? .-.-.-.--.- I am really puzzled over this cheers joerg. I'm puzzled what movie you saw. Gandalf doesn't crown a hobbit but Aragorn and says now come the days of the king; may they be blessed. This is of course true to the book. Then Aragorn turns and the crowd cheers. A little later Aragorn bows down to the 4 hobbits and they look a little uncomfortable at the king bowing to them. Then Aragorn does what any good king would do - graps Liv Tyler for a kiss. MMY seems into the crowning kings part, but doesn't seem to get the highlight of the scene - the king bowing to the simple hobbits. PS - when is king tony going to get around to picking a queen and having royal progeny like he's supposed to.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Tony Nader + the lord of the rings...
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Tony Nader + the lord of the rings... PS - when is king tony going to get around to picking a queen and having royal progeny like he's supposed to. Maybe he needs to send out the Queen Search letter again: http://tinyurl.com/2f43hj
[FairfieldLife] Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
From: http://yogadawg.com/news1.htm Brent Showhoggen For Yoga Entertainment Due to the surge in the popularity of Yoga, income has plummeted to all time lows for a group of Gurus that where once popular during the 1960 and early 1970s. As more and more disciples of these gurus are showing up in Yoga studios, the Gurus felt it was a good time to go on tour. The group consists of Franklin Jones aka Da Free John aka Adi Da aka Adi Da Samraj; Maharishi Mahesh Yogi aka Maharishi; Guru Maharaj-ji and the newly reincarnated Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh aka Osho. In addition, both Paul McCartney and Ringo will join on the tour to provide music. Tom Cruise wanted to join the group to represent L Ron Hubbard, but was informed that only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Commenting on the tour, Adi Da explained it this way, I am Me, while Maharishi added, Twice a day for twenty minutes. Guru Maharaj-ji gave a puzzled look while asking, Where did everyone go. Newly reincarnated Osho simply said, W. When asked if the two surviving Beatles would be enough to perform the music, Maharishi said that he would channel George Harrison. It is expected that newly reincarnated Osho will provide primal screams. The tour will wind through retirement communities in the southern part of the U.S. The group believes they can create some bling from former followers that had left years ago to pursue normal lives, normal jobs and to play golf on the weekends. Tickets are available for GuruTour 2007 through TicketTron or through the website, GoGoGuru.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Patanjali, Ishvara is the inner controller, higher than even the subtlest relative. In some circles Ishvara represents Brahman and his consort Prakriti, wherein is found his immanent nature Brahma, the son, the Creative intelligence behind and controlling the Gunas/Prakriti. God Brahm is the Transcendental Person in the Upanishads, the Purusha, who is beyond this creation, that is, transcendental to the contituents of nature. Thanks for recognizing that...that is, transcendental to the gunas or the three worlds (physical, astral, casual) but still manifest! As a 'person' he/she is limited to time and space in his/her manifest condition. What you have just described is a type of adwaitan illusionism which denies the 'personality' of God. You might consider this and avoid the error of thinking that God Brahm is just an illusion, a part and parcel of the relative. Brahm or Brahma is still subject to time and space, only Brahman is Absolute...,his reflection (being Brahma, the second 'person' of the trinity) in Prakriti is limited to the Manvantara. In Pralaya God's reflection Brahma dissolves back into the unmanifest and Mother Nature, now called *mula-prakriti* rests in Pralaya as well holding all the seeds of future incarnations. But in fact, God is the Transcendent Purusha in a Supreme Person - that's what 'God' means - a supreme person, the Ishvara of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. As MMY says, God is both personal (immanent-all pervading *in* creation) and impersonal beyond all creation-both. The argument that God is the highest of the relative is not a convincing argument. He is both...when MMY talks about God consciousness this is what he is talking about. This 'highest relative' can take any form but the state of consciousness called God Consciousness is merging with the Solar Deity who is all pervading in creation and is its animating power thru the laws of nature or Prakriti. The trinity. Badarayana, Ramanuja, Nimbarka, Madhva, and Vallabha all agree on this. Of all the Upanishadic thinkers, only Shankara places the Purusha among the relative illusions called Maya. He is both snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
Watch it pal, I was married in that chapel! --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. All they care about is money. They tore down the chapel on MUM campus without even a sigh on their parts. Having had to meditate in that dilapidated, mold-infested piece of crap when I was an MIU student, I was delighted to see it torn down. My recollection is that they sunk six figures into fixing the roof and repairing water damage, only to have the leaks return because the building was shifting due to a crumbling foundation in need of a half-million dollars worth of repairs. That's a lot of money for the university to throw at a building that served little purpose for the university. Thing is, there were two other old dilapidated buildings on old campus that were torn down in the early '80s with no objections at all. And, the oldest building on campus was condemned and would have been torn down, with no objections, had it not been completely restored at the expense of a large donor. So, where was the community's attachment to crumbling, moldy old buildings back in the 1980s? Why no wailing and moaning back then? My guess is that if Maharishi Sthapatya Veda had been around back then, and it had been part of the thinking behind those earlier demolitions, people would have bitched about those horrible roos destroying historic old buildings simply because there was weird esoteric woo-woo involved in the decision. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Criss Angel levitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a big fan of closeup with natural objects. I think the problem is that so much of magic is really lame compared to special effects. It takes a personality to sell it, and that seems to be lacking in most big name magicians. David Blane actually has anti- charisma. When I lived in L.A., my roommate, an airbrush artist of some reknown, did costumes for Doug Henning. So Doug would come over to the house every so often to see how things were progressing. On those visits he would often perform closeup magic for us, and lemme tell you, that was *far* more impressive than anything he ever did on TV. The man was *amazing*. Just watching him perform his finger exercises was jaw-dropping. He could fully flex every joint of every finger. He took us to the Magic Castle in L.A. a few times, which was a kind of private club for magicians. Until they opened it to the public for reserved dinners, at the time we were going there entrance was still reserved to members (that is, actively performing magicians) and their guests. What a trip. This is where Doug studied for years with Dai Vernon, the person other than Maharishi he considered his greatest teacher. Dai was a legend in the magic world. He had given up perform- ing for the public because there was no challenge in it any more. He only performed at the Magic Castle, for other magicians. And most of *them* in the audience couldn't figure out how he did half his tricks. Fun memories you triggered. The Magic Castle was a wonderful place, and Doug -- offstage, not in front of an audience or Maharishi -- was a truly sweet guy, very natural and unassuming. He had practiced his closeup magic for something like eight hours a day for twenty years at the time I got to be around him, and it really showed. I have memories of him sitting crosslegged on the run two feet away from me, in a short-sleeve shirt, his hands resting on his knees as if in meditation...no more motion than simply turning his hands over from palms up to palms down...and doing things with six gold coins that he made appear and disappear and jump from hand to hand that just took my breath away. He allowed me to move around anywhere I wanted -- from front to back, putting my face down on the rug to watch his hands from that angle, moving around to the back of him and watching from there -- and I *still* couldn't see how he did some of the thing he did with those coins.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch it pal, I was married in that chapel! Yeah, so what? The Hindu temple in London, where Petra and I were married, was a factory before it was a temple. About 6 years later, they moved into these new digs: http://mandir.org/ I have no idea what the old temple building is being used for now or whether it's still even standing. Life goes on, and things don't always stay the same. The only constant in the relative world is change. May as well get used to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. First I didn't write the article as is clear from the link I provided, and second the clearly satirical article refers to Osho as the newly reincarnated.
[FairfieldLife] message from purusha
A message to all Sidhas from the Maharishi Purusha Program At the Invincible America Assembly Purusha is having a remarkable, deeply fulfilling experience at the Invincible America Assembly and we invite all Sidhas to come. Last November, 120 members of Purusha arrived from Maharishi's home in Vlodrop, Holland and from Livingston Manor, New York to join the Invincible America Assembly in Fairfield. Maharishi had invited Purusha to enjoy a feast of experiences. Since then Purusha has been fully participating in the Assembly and deeply enjoying the indescribable atmosphere created by 1800 Yogic Flyers and 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits. Our Purusha group has been all over the world doing our program, but being here at this time, participating in the Invincible America assembly under Maharishi's care and guidance, has been one of the most evolutionary phases in our 25-year history. Here are two typical comments from Purusha members: I can honestly say that total knowledge has never before been so clear to me as it is here, and my progress towards Unity Consciousness has never been so rapid or so satisfying. I have been deeply gratified by my level of experience, and by the profound guidance that Maharishi has been giving to the Assembly, removing any obstacles that may stand in the way of a Sidha's progress to Enlightenment. It must be the time. Make hay when the sun shines. I look forward to our exceeding 2000 and I warmly invite everyone in our world family to join us on campus and in Maharishi Vedic City for this great feast of knowledge and experience. For me the Invincible America Assembly is the pinnacle of my Purusha experience and life growing up in Maharishi's Movement. Over the years we have experienced the power of Maharishi's Vedic pandits chanting the hymns of the Veda, the historic World Peace Assemblies where we briefly participated in powerful Super Radiance groups, and Maharishi's direct attention on our daily experiences. Here Maharishi has brought all these together, exploring and guiding our every experience in the light of Unity -- all to quickly bring about our joyful realization of Aham Brahmasmi -- I am Totality. Describing the Invincible America Assembly, Maharishi has repeatedly said that our primary aim is to enjoy bliss and hasten our own Enlightenment, with Heaven on Earth and permanent world peace as a wonderful by-product. We want to personally invite you, along with your family and friends, to take advantage of this incredible opportunity which Maharishi has created for us all. Being here amongst the various groups -- 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi's Purusha and Mother Divine groups, more than 1000 other pioneers of Invincibility -- is truly a transforming experience. As our numbers grow, it is clear that the benefits increase for ourselves, for the USA and for the world. Come and join the Assembly now -- for a week, a month, a season, or, better yet, permanently. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we have to admit that understanding each other, and feeling understood by each other, is not one of our options Judy. I don't doubt that I contribute to the weirdness of it all. I think there is a fundamental lack of trust and rapport that makes real communication possible. It certainly hasn't been from a lack of effort on either side. But we just can't get there from here. Cop-out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: She's not worth the dialog Curtis. And the idea of this big tub of condescending snarkiness having a belly laugh or a horselaugh is extremely unappealing under any circumstances. Thanks Geezer. The whole victim projection is one of moves that people try to impose to make my leaving the movement into an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual choice. I have only heard it about one hundred times. And therefore you hear it *every* time, even when the person is saying something quite different. I did NOT suggest your leaving the movement was an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual choice. Now, what do you suppose I *did* say? And why do you suppose you turned it into something else? You've misconstrued just about everything I've said in this thread, inadvertently or otherwise. You can't even admit you were the first to get hostile when the evidence that was the case is clear as it could possibly be. When you're challenged, Curtis, you tend to go into *massive* denial.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction vs. Jumping on Bandwagon (was-Feeding the world...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much like everything Maharishi does. Anyone remembers his electrical car project in the '80s ? Now electrical cars could help save this planet... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest just like MMY predicted. I guess he IS right once in awhile, eh? To say that MMY predicts these things is to make it sound like he thought of these ideas. He did not. Most of these ideas, like organic agriculture, ayurveda in the west, electric cars, etc. have been talked about for many years before MMY decided he would make them a cause célèbre.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Criss Angel levitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2eFL5-TiSQ A comment on that: SirLunchbocks (8 months ago) marked as spam That is an opinion I can deal with! Finally, someone that really believes in the power of TM (transcendental meditation). Those who do TM, once they have advanced enough, have the option to take a flight course. There really are people who can fly like that, except the fact that it takes a great deal of energy and focus (or lack thereof) to do so. I'm not sure if Criss Angel is for real or not, but he is certainly an excellent magician.
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/7/07 11:33:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: riceless. Somebody better tell Girish to release some funds. Nabluss, would this be appropiate, or maybe it's better to keep the place in this state of disrepair to encourage people to keep their eye's closed. That must be it. Iâm not sure the TM movement owns it anymore. I seem to recall that they let it go rather than pay some taxes. Anyone remember anything about that? The land was leased from the Indian government because it is in a National forest. Evidently the lease expired or M decided that the place had been out grown and was not needed any more. Yes, it has been back in the hands of the Indian government for several years now. I was there in March and the forest department people are beginning to cut away the overgrown areas and have actually renovated two small houses. Everything else is totally a mess. Meditating inside MMY's old house is still nice and there is still a very nice vibe there ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic God and Volga Region
A Turkic people, the Khazars, ruled southern Russia through the 8th century. They were important allies of the Byzantine Empire and waged a series of successful wars against the Arab caliphates. A statue of a Vedic god recently excavated in the Volga region points to a link to India around the 9th century[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras
--Precisely!. Among the impersonalist viewpoints, one can merge 3 circles into an overlapping area: 1. Saivite Hinduism (TM fits in here), 2. Buddhism, and 3. Neo-Advaita. Then refer to the standard Advaita-Vedanta texts, such as that Yoga Vasistha, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramana Maharshi recorded messages, and countless Buddhist texts. Conjectures regarding the nature of the highest, or most powerful relative entities, such as Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, etc; are speculative. IMO, the bottom line is what is the connection to such entities and PHYSICAL reality? If there's no connection, then discussions regarding such Personalities are academic. That is, unless individuals have a real, personal connection to Them on an inner plane level. But basically, unless Krishna can give me a good stock market prediction, I'm not interested in relating to Him. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: According to Patanjali, Ishvara is the inner controller, higher than even the subtlest relative. In some circles Ishvara represents Brahman and his consort Prakriti, wherein is found his immanent nature Brahma, the son, the Creative intelligence behind and controlling the Gunas/Prakriti. God Brahm is the Transcendental Person in the Upanishads, the Purusha, who is beyond this creation, that is, transcendental to the contituents of nature. Thanks for recognizing that...that is, transcendental to the gunas or the three worlds (physical, astral, casual) but still manifest! As a 'person' he/she is limited to time and space in his/her manifest condition. What you have just described is a type of adwaitan illusionism which denies the 'personality' of God. You might consider this and avoid the error of thinking that God Brahm is just an illusion, a part and parcel of the relative. Brahm or Brahma is still subject to time and space, only Brahman is Absolute...,his reflection (being Brahma, the second 'person' of the trinity) in Prakriti is limited to the Manvantara. In Pralaya God's reflection Brahma dissolves back into the unmanifest and Mother Nature, now called *mula-prakriti* rests in Pralaya as well holding all the seeds of future incarnations. But in fact, God is the Transcendent Purusha in a Supreme Person - that's what 'God' means - a supreme person, the Ishvara of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. As MMY says, God is both personal (immanent-all pervading *in* creation) and impersonal beyond all creation-both. The argument that God is the highest of the relative is not a convincing argument. He is both...when MMY talks about God consciousness this is what he is talking about. This 'highest relative' can take any form but the state of consciousness called God Consciousness is merging with the Solar Deity who is all pervading in creation and is its animating power thru the laws of nature or Prakriti. The trinity. Badarayana, Ramanuja, Nimbarka, Madhva, and Vallabha all agree on this. Of all the Upanishadic thinkers, only Shankara places the Purusha among the relative illusions called Maya. He is both snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] message from purusha
Sounds like they're all reading from the same brochure! Where's the f***ing juice in these experiences? They all need to get laid and eat some chicken or something. --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A message to all Sidhas from the Maharishi Purusha Program At the Invincible America Assembly Purusha is having a remarkable, deeply fulfilling experience at the Invincible America Assembly and we invite all Sidhas to come. Last November, 120 members of Purusha arrived from Maharishi's home in Vlodrop, Holland and from Livingston Manor, New York to join the Invincible America Assembly in Fairfield. Maharishi had invited Purusha to enjoy a feast of experiences. Since then Purusha has been fully participating in the Assembly and deeply enjoying the indescribable atmosphere created by 1800 Yogic Flyers and 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits. Our Purusha group has been all over the world doing our program, but being here at this time, participating in the Invincible America assembly under Maharishi's care and guidance, has been one of the most evolutionary phases in our 25-year history. Here are two typical comments from Purusha members: I can honestly say that total knowledge has never before been so clear to me as it is here, and my progress towards Unity Consciousness has never been so rapid or so satisfying. I have been deeply gratified by my level of experience, and by the profound guidance that Maharishi has been giving to the Assembly, removing any obstacles that may stand in the way of a Sidha's progress to Enlightenment. It must be the time. Make hay when the sun shines. I look forward to our exceeding 2000 and I warmly invite everyone in our world family to join us on campus and in Maharishi Vedic City for this great feast of knowledge and experience. For me the Invincible America Assembly is the pinnacle of my Purusha experience and life growing up in Maharishi's Movement. Over the years we have experienced the power of Maharishi's Vedic pandits chanting the hymns of the Veda, the historic World Peace Assemblies where we briefly participated in powerful Super Radiance groups, and Maharishi's direct attention on our daily experiences. Here Maharishi has brought all these together, exploring and guiding our every experience in the light of Unity -- all to quickly bring about our joyful realization of Aham Brahmasmi -- I am Totality. Describing the Invincible America Assembly, Maharishi has repeatedly said that our primary aim is to enjoy bliss and hasten our own Enlightenment, with Heaven on Earth and permanent world peace as a wonderful by-product. We want to personally invite you, along with your family and friends, to take advantage of this incredible opportunity which Maharishi has created for us all. Being here amongst the various groups -- 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi's Purusha and Mother Divine groups, more than 1000 other pioneers of Invincibility -- is truly a transforming experience. As our numbers grow, it is clear that the benefits increase for ourselves, for the USA and for the world. Come and join the Assembly now -- for a week, a month, a season, or, better yet, permanently. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: message from purusha
Must be the Taste of Tapioca course. Very bland and not likely to upset the stomach. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like they're all reading from the same brochure! Where's the f***ing juice in these experiences? They all need to get laid and eat some chicken or something. --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A message to all Sidhas from the Maharishi Purusha Program At the Invincible America Assembly Purusha is having a remarkable, deeply fulfilling experience at the Invincible America Assembly and we invite all Sidhas to come. Last November, 120 members of Purusha arrived from Maharishi's home in Vlodrop, Holland and from Livingston Manor, New York to join the Invincible America Assembly in Fairfield. Maharishi had invited Purusha to enjoy a feast of experiences. Since then Purusha has been fully participating in the Assembly and deeply enjoying the indescribable atmosphere created by 1800 Yogic Flyers and 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits. Our Purusha group has been all over the world doing our program, but being here at this time, participating in the Invincible America assembly under Maharishi's care and guidance, has been one of the most evolutionary phases in our 25-year history. Here are two typical comments from Purusha members: I can honestly say that total knowledge has never before been so clear to me as it is here, and my progress towards Unity Consciousness has never been so rapid or so satisfying. I have been deeply gratified by my level of experience, and by the profound guidance that Maharishi has been giving to the Assembly, removing any obstacles that may stand in the way of a Sidha's progress to Enlightenment. It must be the time. Make hay when the sun shines. I look forward to our exceeding 2000 and I warmly invite everyone in our world family to join us on campus and in Maharishi Vedic City for this great feast of knowledge and experience. For me the Invincible America Assembly is the pinnacle of my Purusha experience and life growing up in Maharishi's Movement. Over the years we have experienced the power of Maharishi's Vedic pandits chanting the hymns of the Veda, the historic World Peace Assemblies where we briefly participated in powerful Super Radiance groups, and Maharishi's direct attention on our daily experiences. Here Maharishi has brought all these together, exploring and guiding our every experience in the light of Unity -- all to quickly bring about our joyful realization of Aham Brahmasmi -- I am Totality. Describing the Invincible America Assembly, Maharishi has repeatedly said that our primary aim is to enjoy bliss and hasten our own Enlightenment, with Heaven on Earth and permanent world peace as a wonderful by-product. We want to personally invite you, along with your family and friends, to take advantage of this incredible opportunity which Maharishi has created for us all. Being here amongst the various groups -- 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi's Purusha and Mother Divine groups, more than 1000 other pioneers of Invincibility -- is truly a transforming experience. As our numbers grow, it is clear that the benefits increase for ourselves, for the USA and for the world. Come and join the Assembly now -- for a week, a month, a season, or, better yet, permanently. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno, I think there are lots better stories to illustrate these tendencies. Back in mid 80's (I believe) some of the Purushas were out on some initiative, and here in the Midwest, one of the guys, Mark, (don't remember his last name)(it is possible he may have even been from France) related a story with great glee about how Maharishi ordered some custom chairs for the Seelisberg Hall, and evidently the craftman began the job without a deposit going on the goodwill of the movement. When he was almost finished with the job, Maharishi decided the cancel the order. The craftman, rather than lose out on the entire deal offered to sell the movement the chairs at a greatly reduced price. This Purusha guy related the story as evidence of MMY's genius. Most of us in the room didn't quite see it that way. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Or was it, again, Lurk the uninformed ...? Whatever... Now, you gotta admit, that has a nice ring to it. Lurk The Uniformed. Makes me feel like a great Spartan warrior. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: My first post: getting real with myself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Gary Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It seems that this intense ongoing scrutiny is in itself cultlike because it occupies your time, heart, and emotions. Leave it and go on with your important lives. You've got better things to do. Why do I get the feeling this guy is about to be a 35/wk poster. lurk
Re: [FairfieldLife] message from purusha
On May 8, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Peter wrote: Sounds like they're all reading from the same brochure! Where's the f***ing juice in these experiences? They all need to get laid and eat some chicken or something. Meat and potatoes, with more meat than potato would be my recommendation. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Beads on ONE String - the beginning of a Spiritual youtube
RIght now Tom Hickey (MIU Philosophy prof. early 80's) giving a 9 minute talking head intro is the only thing UP but we'd love to have YOUR spiritual movies, audio pictures. Sent whatever you'd like to share with the world directly to 7 whose email is on the front page. Beads on one string project is a media project whose purpose to give spiritual education upliftment to the global community. http://beadsononestring.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
YogaDawg seems to be The Onion of yoga news, eh? Very funny! *Tantra Psychology *http://TantraPsychology.learn.to http://tantrapsychology.learn.to/ I teach you Tantra Secrets. You don't do it? It still secret. ~ Master Hai Dai Ho, of the Yeo Ha Ho School of the Laughing Buddah ~ On 5/8/07, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. First I didn't write the article as is clear from the link I provided, and second the clearly satirical article refers to Osho as the newly reincarnated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My first post: getting real with myself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Gary Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I'm new here. I do remember Rick and Carol Archer from MIU. Great folks. Here's my TM resume. Maybe some of us know each other. I started TM 1972 in Cleveland Went to MIU in Santa Barbara 1973 Teacher training in Vittel, France early 1974Drove one of the moving vans from Santa Barbara to Fairfield in the summer of 1974.Governor Training, 1976 in a Arosa Switzerland. Sidhis in Livingston Manor 1979I still meditate and enjoy it as an experience but Re: the theory/religion/cosmic everything jazz, I have to leave that behind to maintain my real-world sanity. I check into this group every few months and read a few e-mails and sometimes feel like yelling out loud, get out, break your chains, live your own life. In my first years in the Movement I was moderately fanatical as I guess most of us may have been and I had to distance myself because it is just like any other movement that claims to have the answer to everything: it creates its own craziness. Religions, multilevel marketing organizations, any kind of fanatical belief breeds craziness and organizational dysfunction; it goes with the territory. Here I am about to preach to you all now. Darned if I can't listen to my own advice! I don't check in here much but it seems that people who have been in the movement for ages and ages are continually analyzing, reviewing and thinking about this meditation movement. It seems that this intense ongoing scrutiny is in itself cultlike because it occupies your time, heart, and emotions. Leave it and go on with your important lives. You've got better things to do. Gary Bond Thanks for the awesome advice gary! Don't know what we would do without you...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
-- right, but for all practical purposes, the TM Movement is virtually dead. The only thing that will resusitate it is a practical demonstration of Sidhis, not butt bouncing. Otherwise, ordinary people won't be convinced of the benefits of Being. Movies like the X-Men, Spiderman, Superman, etc; have the younger generation indoctrinated into the notion of wizards using supernatural powers. Short of that, TM simply has little appeal to outsiders. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- right, but for all practical purposes, the TM Movement is virtually dead. The only thing that will resusitate it is a practical demonstration of Sidhis, not butt bouncing. Otherwise, ordinary people won't be convinced of the benefits of Being. Movies like the X- Men, Spiderman, Superman, etc; have the younger generation indoctrinated into the notion of wizards using supernatural powers. Short of that, TM simply has little appeal to outsiders. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya? OffWorld Peace Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!? What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in stupid unspiritual stuff; Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh? Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of a needle, does it. Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes everything. Don't you get it yet. In astrological terms: Pluto, not the dog, but the planet, Is crossing the center of our galaxy, now through October, With July being particularly intense. So, Look at it this way, Maharishi is still around, after all these years, after so many others have left us. Let's just appreciate him, while he is here, and have some repect, for our elders. r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--Below: people should have respect for MMY. I do have respect for him everyday when I play a powerful video of him and 15 Pundits doing the traditional puja followed by a powerful puja to Mahalakshmi; and, I have respect for MMY for teaching me TM, through my initiator. However, I have little respect for the man for demolishing the TM Movement by charging such high prices. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: -- right, but for all practical purposes, the TM Movement is virtually dead. The only thing that will resusitate it is a practical demonstration of Sidhis, not butt bouncing. Otherwise, ordinary people won't be convinced of the benefits of Being. Movies like the X- Men, Spiderman, Superman, etc; have the younger generation indoctrinated into the notion of wizards using supernatural powers. Short of that, TM simply has little appeal to outsiders. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: boo_lives wrote: ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour. Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo. I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya? OffWorld Peace Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!? What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in stupid unspiritual stuff; Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh? Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of a needle, does it. Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes everything. Don't you get it yet. In astrological terms: Pluto, not the dog, but the planet, Is crossing the center of our galaxy, now through October, With July being particularly intense. So, Look at it this way, Maharishi is still around, after all these years, after so many others have left us. Let's just appreciate him, while he is here, and have some repect, for our elders. r.g.
[FairfieldLife] VM as TM, outside the TM.org
This link is interesting trend. That court ruling, that Transcendental Meditation was not unique. Noteworthy link George, things to come? Moving on .org,on with teaching meditation, retreats, teacher training otherwise etc. vs. Selling 'peace bonds' support of an old TM the old way, with the gold robes and party hats and pomp of the old TM.org. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from a friend: If you go to this link, you can see a whole bunch of photos taken just about 2 weeks ago of a group of TM students visiting Maharishi's ashram in Rishikesh. I had no idea it was abandoned and had become such a ruin! Jai guru deva TS http://www.introtomeditation.com/maharishi_ashram/ note: they call themselves TM students, but their TM is being taught outside the TMO as Vedic Meditation; nevertheless, they also read MMY's gita! Does anyone on FFLife recognize M's asram? (i was never there)
[FairfieldLife] 'Twisting Scripture by James W. Sire'
Quoting a passage from this Christian book: Scriptural statements, stories, commands or symbols which have a particular meaning or set of meanings when taken within the intellectual and broadly cultural framework of the Bible itself are lifted out of that context, placed within the frame of reference of another system and thus given a meaning that markedly differs from their intended meaning. Example: The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi interprets Be still, and know that I am God as meaning that each person should meditate and come to the realization that he is essentially Godhood itself.(end of quote from book). I am wondering how this makes sense? From the Christian fundementalist point of view. I am wondering why Be still and know that I am God, And that The Kingdom of Heaven is within, Contradicts anything Maharishi is teaching? I wish someone could explain this counter-intuitive thinking to me... It must be the notion of duality Vs. Unity?... r.g. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peace Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!? What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in stupid unspiritual stuff; Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh? Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of a needle, does it. Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes everything. Any personal details, please?
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I dunno, I think there are lots better stories to illustrate these tendencies. Back in mid 80's (I believe) some of the Purushas were out on some initiative, and here in the Midwest, one of the guys, Mark, (don't remember his last name)(it is possible he may have even been from France) related a story with great glee about how Maharishi ordered some custom chairs for the Seelisberg Hall, and evidently the craftman began the job without a deposit going on the goodwill of the movement. When he was almost finished with the job, Maharishi decided the cancel the order. The craftman, rather than lose out on the entire deal offered to sell the movement the chairs at a greatly reduced price. This Purusha guy related the story as evidence of MMY's genius. Most of us in the room didn't quite see it that way. lurk So you are insinuating that Maharishi is an unethical crook? Was Mark the possibly French dude the actual one to write the check to the craftsman, or was he just an anti-social seeker?
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So you are insinuating that Maharishi is an unethical crook? Was Mark the possibly French dude the actual one to write the check to the craftsman, or was he just an anti-social seeker? Jim, I'm just relating a story to the best of my recollection. We were all gathered around to hear the latest news and inspirational stories this Purusha guy had. This is the part I remember. I am sorry to say that on balance, his talk was not that inspiring. You may draw any conclusions you wish. During this time I practiced program at the center every afternoon without fail. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
--- Due to the vast amount of bad karma in the world today, it will take more than a few Angels to turn things around. TM should be practiced by at least 100 million people, in order to significantly increase the world's Sattva. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Peace Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!? What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in stupid unspiritual stuff; Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh? Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of a needle, does it. Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes everything. Any personal details, please?
