[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
I never could figure out if I am supposed to write at the top or bottom of the reply page.. Charlie was certainly entertaining, and I really enjoyed his talks and stories. He was always available for personal questions and gave very practical advice, contrary to what one might expect. I think he and Helen saved a boat-load of people from going over the deep-end, just by caring enough to listen to them complain about their problems. The Lutes were very generous that way, and always kind and loving people. The space ships, blue star (planet?) and Christ stories were inspiring to me, even if they didn't happen! Charlie gets and A+ for spiritual entertainment. Lets see: Take the spherical spaceships not the cigar shaped ones Go with the good looking, not the lizards When the blue star comes it will be light 24/7 Christ was a leo (duh) Christ was blond and blue eyed (double duh) In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I've got to admit, that over the 20+ years I heard Charlie speak I did hear a few strange things, but then I think you have to realize this Eastern 'religion' thing was new to all of us, and him at the time. One thing struck me as odd when he said in 10 or X years (don't remember exact time) all the prisoners would just 'miraculously' disappear from the prisons, apparently to make way for the 'new age'. Finally toward the very end I quit going due to the small group of 'groupies' that had 'worshiped' him, it gave me the creeps, according to them he was CC and higher. I never looked at him that way, he enriched my life with his esoteric knowledge he gleaned from Max Heindel, Manly P. Hall and a few others. Also Charlie had character and integrity...yeah, perhaps he exaggerated a little but I never took those things seriously. Overall he was a great spiritual mentor and the closest thing to a personal guru I've ever had! BillyG. P.S. One Friday night he said Lord Maitreya had been reborn on earth, a few nights later he said his 'reliable' source had been 'duped' by a spirit...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: This is what three TM-tutors in the indian TM-org told me. TM was formulated about Two thousand years before the Advent of Adi Sankara..!! TM is more than four thousand years old..!! GuruDev Bramananda Sarasvati taught TM to Maharishi,,, almost literaly giving it to him on a Silver plate..!! Maharishi did NOT travel by foot. People sponsored his trips which he went by trains and buses. CurtisDeltaBlues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:48:53 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days Thanks for posting this Bob. There is a contradictions in his account from MMY's own account. Since he was so close to MMY it is interesting that he would tell a different story. I am beginning to wonder if it is MMY who told different versions to different people. But for his official version that is played repeatedly on his courses, we are all familiar with that one so my pointing out the difference certainly wont bring a flurry of resistance, it will just be an obvious fact that we can work out together... C: A few years before he became Shankaracharya, the old sage made one of his rare ventures out of the wilderness. It was at this time that Maharishi saw him in a procession and the experience was something like spiritual love at first sight. Maharishi, a twenty-year- old student, felt an overwhelming desire to be near and serve the great master. Me: In his taped account he came to see Guru Dev in a house at night for the first time and caught a flashy glimpse when a car headlight illuminated his face. There was no procession. C: He sought out the Guru Dev who told him to first finish his education and then come. Two years later, having earned his degree, Maharishi headed for the monastery of Jyotir Math in the Himalayan religious center of Badrinath, there to devote his life to the Guru Dev, to serve at the feet of my master. And this he did for thirteen years until the swami passed on. Over the years, Maharishi would be asked hundreds of times to talk about his past. Reporters were especially curious. But his answer was always the same: Once you take the vows of the monk, past life is forgotten. He told me long ago that when you become a bramachari, or monk, you no longer relate to your family or to any of your background. Me: So is his obvious connection with his family in the indian movement a departure from his vows? He set them up with sweet jobs, that is definitely relating to them, in fact showing them favoritism. If in fact they are actually getting big bank accounts from the movement's finances, this would also seem to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?
Edg, I've been thinking about this primal identification thang that you mentioned earlier, and have decided to spend my last post of the week pondering it further. I won't be able to follow up on any ideas you have to offer on this subject until Saturday, but hopefully you'll have some, and without the pressure of dogs who want to be walked gnawing at my ankles, maybe I'll be able to do more justice to answering some of your questions then. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq, Would you agree that, for you, the word identification has the same definition as attachment? That's my stance. Hmmm. I've never really thought in those terms. I'll try to do so on the fly here. I'm still in the 'No' camp, and will attempt to explain why below. The ego cannot be ended, (since it doesn't exist,) but the choosing process of identifying it as the I CAN be ended, and once this inordinate attentioning on one small aspect of amness stops, then the ego can be as wonderfully appropriate -- in that, now, the ego is not puffed, hogging the spotlight, and elbowing out all the other aspects of manifestation, but is instead, a boon traveling companion, a biographer of the body/mind. . . . To me, enlightenment is not identifying. Period. The least identification is having both feet on the slippery slope. Even pure being, amness, is a primal identification, and sure enough, that slightest of all stains is all that's needed for the sin of manifestation to occur when ego starts saying, I'm that. I'm that. I'm that. Instead of, you know, neti, neti, neti. Ok, here is the point that's intrigued me. I fully admit to having read very little Advaita, where these ideas seem to be coming from. I walked away from TM and having much of an interest in the Hindu-based philosophies 25 years ago, and wandered down paths more frequented by Buddhists. So when I first encountered, a few days ago, your use of the term primal identification, and, even more shocking (to me), sin used with regard to manifestation, it kinda threw me for a loop. I must admit to having NEVER entertained such a concept as sin with regard to the manifest universe. It struck me at the time as something more appropriate to Western traditions, such as the ones that sprung from the Bible. They tend to see manifest creation as being, almost by definition, in a fallen state, as existing somehow apart from Godhead or the Absolute or whatever you wish to call it. And with your use of the terms primal identification and sin of mani- featation, I started to get the feeling that you regarded relative creation the same way. So here's my rap...it may not be a very good rap, but here it is anyway. :-) It seems to me that the concept of relative creation being separate from the Absolute, or existing in some kind of fallen state as the sin of manifestation is based on having *started* one's philosophical ponderings by accepting as a given an assumption. This unchallenged assumption then defines almost everything that follows. The assumption is that there was a Creation, a moment in time when the universe became manifest. I do not accept that. My intuition tells me that the Buddhists are more onto the reality of the situation by positing an *eternal* universe, one that was NEVER created -- it has been both Absolute and manifest in the past, it is both Absolute and manifest now, and it will always be Absolute and manifest, simultaneously, forever. There has never been a moment in which the universe was *not* expressed in manifestation, and there will never *be* a moment in which the universe is not expressed in manifestation. What we see around us today is the way it has always been and the way it will always be. There was never a Big Bang, (except as a minor pimple eruption on the face of a far larger, eternal universe), and there will never be a final dissolution of the universe back into non-manifestation. Do you begin to see how someone who believes this (whether or not it is true) might not be so prone to look at the manifest universe as fallen, as in any way lesser than a postulated pure Absolute, with no manifest aspect to It? The whole question of primal identification becomes meaningless, because there is no moment that wes ever primal. There is no question of fallen, because there was never a moment in which the universe fell from pure, unmanifest Absolute to an impure Absolute/ manifest pair. They have always been One. Therefore the idea of the sin of manifestation is, for me, ludicrous. It's looking at an eternal universe and saying, Y'know dude, you're great and all, but I liked you better when you were just One instead of One Plus Many. That makse sense only if you believe that there *was* a time when this universe you're speaking to *was* One, and that it somehow fell to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never could figure out if I am supposed to write at the top or bottom of the reply page.. Charlie was certainly entertaining, and I really enjoyed his talks and stories. He was always available for personal questions and gave very practical advice, contrary to what one might expect. I think he and Helen saved a boat-load of people from going over the deep-end, just by caring enough to listen to them complain about their problems. The Lutes were very generous that way, and always kind and loving people. The space ships, blue star (planet?) and Christ stories were inspiring to me, even if they didn't happen! Charlie gets and A+ for spiritual entertainment. Lets see: Take the spherical spaceships not the cigar shaped ones Go with the good looking, not the lizards When the blue star comes it will be light 24/7 Christ was a leo (duh) Christ was blond and blue eyed (double duh) charlie had a well known dislike of brown skinned people - jesus being middle eastern looking probably rubbed his prejudices the wrong way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
Marshy just happened to be in the upstairs room by coincidence when he saw Guru Dev? Rick Archer wrote: He wasn't in his room. He was on an outside veranda and had never seen him before. And couldn't see him because it was dark, until a car's headlight illuminated his face. So, Rick, you're thinking that Marshy just happened to be on the veranda when the car's lights flashed on Guru Dev's face. So, how do you think Marshy got on the veranda, by climbing over the fence in the middle of the night? Or, maybe Marshy crashed the site by hiding in a closet until Guru Dev came out on the veranda. According to Paul Mason, Marshy's biographer, it is possible that Marshy had been intitiated by Guru Dev nineteen years before Marshy became a brahmacharya (Mason 21). According to the official account, Raj Varma had been a devotee of Guru Dev for many years before Marshy actually met Guru Dev. Lots of people, including Marshy, probably saw Guru Dev in various processions over the years. However, the first time Marshy actually met Guru Dev face-to-face was in the upstairs room at the time of the flashing headlights. Maybe it was an upstairs room. I recall his saying it was a veranda. In any case, you're speculating, because is MMY told the story he had never seen GD before. He never mentioned having seen him in processions, etc. Maybe he had, but he said this was the first time he saw him. You need to get some smarts, Rick. Guru Dev was in full sight of the general public for close to sixty years, at probabbly every single Kumbha Mela and Ardha Khumba Mela, in front of millions of people. His photographic image was probably on the alter of Uncle Raj Varma for years in the family living room. And when Uncle Raj Varma was painting all those images of Guru Dev I guess you think that Marshy was totally blind. Go figure. Work cited: 'The Maharishi' By Paul Mason Element Books, 1994
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:00 AM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Take the spherical spaceships not the cigar shaped ones And skip the red colored ones. Go with the good looking, not the lizards When the blue star comes it will be light 24/7 Christ was a leo (duh) Christ was blond and blue eyed (double duh)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
For someone who makes TMO status claims you don't seem to be able make much sense. Curtis wrote: Me: I have made no such claims, troll. Well, I note that you aren't denying your lack of good sense. Somehow I got the impression that you used to work for the Marshy and the TMO and attended TTC. If not, then what are you doing here trying to tell me all about the comings-and-goings, or lack thereof, of the Marshy, Charlie Lutes and Jerry Jarvis? Curtis wrote: But for his official version that is played repeatedly on his courses, we are all familiar with that one so my pointing out the difference certainly wont bring a flurry of resistance, it will just be an obvious fact that we can work out together... Lutes' account of MMY's early days: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140868
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days You need to get some smarts, Rick. Guru Dev was in full sight of the general public for close to sixty years, at probabbly every single Kumbha Mela and Ardha Khumba Mela, in front of millions of people. This is not true. He was a recluse all his life and didn't become Shankaracharya until his early 70's - 72 I think. Until then, he was unknown to the general public. His photographic image was probably on the alter of Uncle Raj Varma for years in the family living room. And when Uncle Raj Varma was painting all those images of Guru Dev I guess you think that Marshy was totally blind. Go figure. He didn't paint those images until after GD became Shankaracharya. As MMY told the story, when he first met GD, the latter hadn't become Shankarcharya yet, so he wasn't in processions and wasn't well-known. As we know, GD told MMY to finish college. By the time he finished, GD had become Shankaracharya. That being the case MMY's parents were more supportive of MMY joining GD's ashram full-time than they might have been had he been a relative unknown. I can't vouch for the veracity of these points. I'm just relating them as I heard MMY tell them when he told the story of meeting GD.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Posting Totals
I think adhering to the 35 post limit would be more likely to happen if anything over 35 got deleted. Would you want to spend time composing posts that no one read? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Posting Totals Rick, Shemp is already over 35, yet I am still getting requests to approve moderated posts by him. Is he wasting his time with these posts, or are you approving these once the next week comes around? You once said extra posts would get deleted. I approve them when the new week starts. I don't mind doing it. of course, then he doesn't have too many to play with the following week. I would consider him more courteous if he would just adhere to the guidelines everyone else has agreed to and adheres to. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Resolving Contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I think I covered all of this in my earlier reply to larry.potter's posting. To claim that your beliefs equate with truth, you pretty much have to be claiming that your state of consciousness equates with truth. To state that such-and-such belief is one of your convictions, you have to assume that you will *remain* in the state of consciousness from which that belief appears to be true forever. To assert that this convic- tion is true for others, you have to declare that attaining that SOC/POC (or *regressing* to that SOC/POV) would be better for them than the SOC/POV they have currently. You may be comfortable doing that. I am not. End of story. Those who are uncomfortable with contradictions are uncomfortable with life. It appears you have misunderstood meI am not making the point that if I believe something, others should believe it, or attempt to believe it too. Not at all. Rather, I am making the point that if I believe something (not necessarily forever), and if someone contradicts my belief, I can reconcile it with my own belief, as opposed to folding up and declaring, Well said. That was the nature of my question to you, and it still remains unanswered. It seems from your answer to Rory that you have no answer for his statement that there is no difference between self and Self, which you plainly don't see the same way. Rather than resolving the contradiction, you stated, Well said. It was this capitulation to which my remarks were addressed. Should I then conclude that it is you who are uncomfortable with contradictions, and choose to dismiss them as just another SOC, vs. resolving them? And further, that anything else you disagree with or see another way is handled the same way, by simply capitulating without resolution? :-) Jim's point, or perhaps my extrapolations of it, helps delineate two differnt views on contradictions. There is what I percieve (perhaps incorrectly) the Turq, Tom T, Rick view that (my interpreation of their views): contradictions are ineveitable, they are everywhere, and one should simply, passively, accept them. Jim's view appears to be that one should not simple accept contradiction, but recognize it, work with it, attack it and struggle or playfully try to resolve it. In my post the other day I said Contradictions abound in material Soc .. - Such contradictions are oftne the genesis of breakthoughs in art, science, techology, business and humor. The thought that I did not complete, which Jim's post has inspired me to do, is to point out that the above breakthroughs in art, science, techology, business and humor (Arthur Koestlers' Act of Creation is an excellent into to this concept, with many examples) are acheived by the people who are not passively resigned to accepting contradictions, but rather recognize it and struggle to resolve it. the resolution often comes through some new fusion of insight, that resolves the contradiction. This may also be parallel to spiritual insight and awakenings. Higher states may resolve the paradoxes of lower states. Struggling to resolve the paradox of one state may set the field for, ripen the fruit so to speak, for a breakthrough, to a a higher state.
[FairfieldLife] Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
The prana is the vitality of the physical body and the vehicle of the soul (jivatman) which enables it to communicate with the world, it's not the soul per-se but the vehicle of the soul/consciousness. When this vital energy is caught up in the senses/body it is blind to the spiritual worlds, the key to spiritual awareness is the reversal of these vital pranas in the vital/astral body. The vital energies existing in the etheric body are like energies that are in constant motion and their direction is down or towards the senses. Pratyhara is the beginning of the reversal of this direction much like a gradual slowing of a freight train, once the freight train actually *stops* the breath also stops! because the breath is a *bi-product* of prana not the prana itself. Once the pranas start spinning clockwise (hitherto purportedly they are spinning counter-clock wise and outward towards the senses) and *reverse* their direction, awareness in the spiritual worlds commences, not before. Remember the prana is the vehical of soul/consciousness. Like a freight train reversing it's direction, it takes as much 'effort' and dedication to accomplish this task as well. MMY said (in Fuiggi, Italy) it could take a million years to reach CC (or accomplish this task fully) unless you come to these courses .
[FairfieldLife] Great ghastly logos of all time
As a response to the ludicrous logo for the 2012 Olympics which apperently cost £400,000, The Independent did a story on dreadful logos: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2617459.ece But they left out the picture of the Instituto de Estudos Orienta logo, a pagoda behind a setting sun. here it is: http://www.zerozen.com/blog/wp-content/imagenes/logo_oriente.gif Can this be bettered? Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think adhering to the 35 post limit would be more likely to happen if anything over 35 got deleted. Would you want to spend time composing posts that no one read? I suggest they be deleted, and the offending poster be limited to 25 posts the next week or two. If they oofend twice in a row(or amonth) then limit them to 15. etc. This approach tries to use the best of both Rick's idea (limit the following week's posts) and gull's idea not to cater to excesses. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Posting Totals Rick, Shemp is already over 35, yet I am still getting requests to approve moderated posts by him. Is he wasting his time with these posts, or are you approving these once the next week comes around? You once said extra posts would get deleted. I approve them when the new week starts. I don't mind doing it. of course, then he doesn't have too many to play with the following week. I would consider him more courteous if he would just adhere to the guidelines everyone else has agreed to and adheres to. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
Guru Dev was in full sight of the general public for close to sixty years, at probabbly every single Kumbha Mela and Ardha Khumba Mela, in front of millions of people. Rick Archer wrote: This is not true. According to the Official Biography of Guru Dev, he was initiated by his guru, Swami Krishnananda Saraswati, at the Kumbha Mela at Allahabad. It would be very difficult to be invisible with millions of people standing around, would it not? He may have been unknown to the larger general public, but Uncle Raj Varma knew about Guru Dev when Guru Dev was staying at Jabalpur. His photographic image was probably on the alter of Uncle Raj Varma for years in the family living room. And when Uncle Raj Varma was painting all those images of Guru Dev I guess you think that Marshy was totally blind. He didn't paint those images until after GD became Shankaracharya. Maybe so, but there are numerous photographs of Guru Dev taken by Uncle Raj before Guru Dev became the Shankaracharya, according to Uncle Raj, writing in 'Strange Facts About a Great Saint'. As MMY told the story, when he first met GD, the latter hadn't become Shankarcharya yet, so he wasn't in processions and wasn't well-known. As we know, GD told MMY to finish college. By the time he finished, GD had become Shankaracharya. That being the case MMY's parents were more supportive of MMY joining GD's ashram full-time than they might have been had he been a relative unknown. You may be mistaken here: according to Marshy, he served at the feet of Guru Dev for thirteen years, so Marshy would have been with Guru Dev for a couple of years before Guru Dev became the Shankaracharya, since Guru Dev passed in 1953. According to Paul Mason, Marshy's biographer, Marshy may have been a Guru Dev devotee up to nineteen years before Guru Dev became the Shankaracharya. I can't vouch for the veracity of these points. I'm just relating them as I heard MMY tell them when he told the story of meeting GD. Maybe so, but that doesn't explain how the Varma family came to know all about Guru Dev, if he was a relative unknown. It may be true that Guru Dev was a unknown to the general public but apparently he was very famous among sadhaks and devotees. According to Raj Varma, Guru Dev caused quite a stir in Jabalpur when he came to visit. Raj says that there were numerous people who came to take darshan of Guru Dev. Apparently Guru Dev was almost famous in some circles, otherwise, how would a committee of pundits down in Kashi have come with his name in order to nominate him for the Shankarcharyaship? Bottom line is that Charles Lutes doesn't say anyhting about an Aunt being in the Upper Kashi with Marshy, asking him to take her down to South India. Lutes doesn't say anything about any 'flashing car lights on a veranda' either. Lutes does say that another sadhu suggested to Marshy that he go to South India, just as I have previously posted. All I'm saying is that Guru Dev was very much known in some circles and that Marshy may have met him years before Marshy became a brahmacharaya. There may or may not have been flashing car lights, and it may be that it was on a veranda, not in upstairs room, however, Guru Dev did make quite an impression on the Varma family, Mahesh included.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
I think adhering to the 35 post limit would be more likely to happen if anything over 35 got deleted. Would you want to spend time composing posts that no one read? New wrote: I suggest they be deleted, and the offending poster be limited to 25 posts the next week or two. If they oofend twice in a row(or amonth) then limit them to 15. etc. This approach tries to use the best of both Rick's idea (limit the following week's posts) and gull's idea not to cater to excesses. Maye so, but what about the quality? And what about the news of Marshy's comings-and-goings? I get the impression from reading this forum that NOTHING much goes on in Fairfield. Has any respondent actually been inside a Marshy Golden Dome lately? Or even on the MUM campus? Apparently Barry went to a flea market a few Sunday's ago and one morning he went to a sidewalk cafe for some latte. Judy must think that she's the only person here who reads the nrespapaper. Hey! Geezerfreak - why do all your messages begin with RE: and end on one line? As far as I'm concerned, almost ALL of the messages to this forum could be deleted, with the exception of Card, who seems to have a real interest in things Indian.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
Giant snip. I'll go with MMY's telling of the story of how and when he met GD over Charlie's because MMY was actually there! I remember hearing, from a tape, very clearly MMY joking about how he first saw GD in a flash of light from a car's lights when he was sitting with GD for the first time on a pourch or veranda somewhere. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe so, but that doesn't explain how the Varma family came to know all about Guru Dev, if he was a relative unknown. It may be true that Guru Dev was a unknown to the general public but apparently he was very famous among sadhaks and devotees. Thats is my impression from MMY's talks and the Real Thing ? bio. That SBS was well know as a great saint -- of upanishdic stature -- many years prior to becoming S of JM. And there is that photo of a relatively young SBS in lotus, and I think quite a few others. That led me to obeleive that while SBS was off in caves and mountians most of the time, he ventured into the world periodically. Like for kums, as RW says. And perhaps other sadhu get-togethers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I'm concerned, almost ALL of the messages to this forum could be deleted, Then why do you torture yourself by reading posts that have no interest or value to you? Surely you must have a higher priority of thigs to do rather than reading meaningless (to you) posts. Or is this a tapas thing? :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giant snip. I'll go with MMY's telling of the story of how and when he met GD over Charlie's because MMY was actually there! I remember hearing, from a tape, very clearly MMY joking about how he first saw GD in a flash of light from a car's lights when he was sitting with GD for the first time on a pourch or veranda somewhere. Peeking through a (highly placed) window is how I heard him tell it. SBS may have been unaware of the intruders Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:45 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe so, but that doesn't explain how the Varma family came to know all about Guru Dev, if he was a relative unknown. It may be true that Guru Dev was a unknown to the general public but apparently he was very famous among sadhaks and devotees. Thats is my impression from MMY's talks and the Real Thing ? bio. That SBS was well know as a great saint -- of upanishdic stature -- many years prior to becoming S of JM. And there is that photo of a relatively young SBS in lotus, and I think quite a few others. That led me to obeleive that while SBS was off in caves and mountians most of the time, he ventured into the world periodically. Like for kums, as RW says. And perhaps other sadhu get-togethers. Swami Rama, who learned Sri Vidya from SBS and where to go for further instruction, met him while he was still living in caves. The story is told in his book _Living with the Himalayalan Masters_. Willytex can probably post the chapter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Resolving Contradictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim's view appears to be that one should not simple accept contradiction, but recognize it, work with it, attack it and struggle or playfully try to resolve it. In my post the other day I said Contradictions abound in material Soc .. - Such contradictions are oftne the genesis of breakthoughs in art, science, techology, business and humor. The thought that I did not complete, which Jim's post has inspired me to do, is to point out that the above breakthroughs in art, science, techology, business and humor (Arthur Koestlers' Act of Creation is an excellent into to this concept, with many examples) are acheived by the people who are not passively resigned to accepting contradictions, but rather recognize it and struggle to resolve it. the resolution often comes through some new fusion of insight, that resolves the contradiction. This may also be parallel to spiritual insight and awakenings. Higher states may resolve the paradoxes of lower states. Struggling to resolve the paradox of one state may set the field for, ripen the fruit so to speak, for a breakthrough, to a a higher state. Again, I couldn't say this better myself. It seems that to accept contradictions passively as Yes, that is the state of the world is to actually *deny* the contradictory state, and just cave in to one reality or the other. This is not accepting the contradiction. This is not truly living within the paradox. It is flip-flopping, taking the position that if my point of view doesn't fit the reality I am faced with, I will discard it wholesale, and accept another point of view. That seems a cold and detached way to spend one's spiritual wealth. Where is the fierceness, the committment, the love? Just give it up? To truly live within the paradox is to work with it, embrace it, wrestle with it like a dog with a bone, until finally it makes sense in day to day life. Try on a simple one for size, my personal fave: The world is as you are. Those few words express an immense contradiction; I am percieving the world through my senses and my sense of I as a world outside of myself, as separate from me, and yet, the expression says that exactly who I am determines what the world is, even that assh*le who just cut me off in traffic, or the person who just doesn't get it on FFL, or the person behind an unreasonable demand. How to reconcile this? Do I, on the one hand, just capitulate and say, yes, I am the assh*le, the clueless one, the unreasonable one, and then act as such, satisfied that I am whatever impinges on me, or perhaps find that silent space within me, and convince myself that I am Unity and all of those are in union with me, we are all Oneness, without really understanding the I, You, Us equation in each of those situations? And what happens when I have to confront people who don't fit in my world, every single day? Do I come up with some half- baked idea that yes-they-are-me-and-I-am-them and just continue on, pretty much unchanged? Or as new morning says, and I heartily agree, do I work within myself to truly reconcile this expression and all it means, and continue to do so, until a new experiential paradigm emerges, and I live the reality of the expression? Yes, yes, and more yes! And then on to the next contradiction, the next lesson offered up to the hidden solution within me.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For someone who makes TMO status claims you don't seem to be able make much sense. Curtis wrote: Me: I have made no such claims, troll. Well, I note that you aren't denying your lack of good sense. Me: trollish comment. Somehow I got the impression that you used to work for the Marshy and the TMO and attended TTC. If not, then what are you doing here trying to tell me all about the comings-and-goings, or lack thereof, of the Marshy, Charlie Lutes and Jerry Jarvis? Who is this Marshy you speak of? Is it a friend of MMY? I am an expert in the comings-and-goings of MMY because I once owned a black light poster of him with the Beatles. I also once read a Time magazine article that had some details about the movement in 1975 or 76, I think MMY was on the cover. So I think that qualifies me to argue with you about the details of tapes you have obviously not heard of MMY giving his own account of his history without your help making up nonsense. Curtis wrote: But for his official version that is played repeatedly on his courses, we are all familiar with that one so my pointing out the difference certainly wont bring a flurry of resistance, it will just be an obvious fact that we can work out together... Lutes' account of MMY's early days: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140868
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:04 AM, BillyG. wrote: The prana is the vitality of the physical body and the vehicle of the soul (jivatman) which enables it to communicate with the world, it's not the soul per-se but the vehicle of the soul/consciousness. When this vital energy is caught up in the senses/body it is blind to the spiritual worlds, the key to spiritual awareness is the reversal of these vital pranas in the vital/astral body. The vital energies existing in the etheric body are like energies that are in constant motion and their direction is down or towards the senses. Pratyhara is the beginning of the reversal of this direction much like a gradual slowing of a freight train, once the freight train actually *stops* the breath also stops! because the breath is a *bi-product* of prana not the prana itself. Once the pranas start spinning clockwise (hitherto purportedly they are spinning counter-clock wise and outward towards the senses) and *reverse* their direction, awareness in the spiritual worlds commences, not before. Remember the prana is the vehical of soul/consciousness. Like a freight train reversing it's direction, it takes as much 'effort' and dedication to accomplish this task as well. MMY said (in Fuiggi, Italy) it could take a million years to reach CC (or accomplish this task fully) unless you come to these courses . This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. It's only when you cut off the karmic winds (karma-vayu) that gnostic energies (jnana-vayu) appear. Until then ordinary, deluded consciousness predominates. And it is the jnana-vayu that serves as a support for recognition of nonconceptual gnosis. The Buddhist master Dolopa says of these essential points of enlightenment: Therefore, as long as delusion has not ceased it is impossible for the manifestation of delusion, the cycle of birth and death, to cease. As long as the circulation of the karmic pranas has not stopped, it is impossible for this stream of consciousness to stop. While the stream of mind and mental events has not stopped, it is also impossible for this manifestation of delusion, the three worlds, to stop. Therefore, with the wish to transcend the three worlds, whose nature is suffering, if you abandon all distractions and meditate upon the profound Vajra-yoga [of bringing karmic pranas into the central channel], the sublime amrita from the mouth of the excellent master, this circulation of karmic prana and mind together will stop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be very difficult to be invisible with millions of people standing around, would it not? Classic.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. Even wounded, pain-filled, rebellious, critical, superior, supercilious, arrogant, rage-filled, hate-filled, blaming, victimized, caught-in-a- tape-loop, stuck-in-a-rut, unable-to-listen, particles in me eventually have found their ultimate rest in the irresistible grace- flow of Love initiated with TM and TMSP, and more miraculous still, have even found that their very *rebellion itself* is and has always been perfect waves of perfect expression on the immense Ocean of His/my Being. There has never been an error. If you wish, you may insert/imagine the obligatory YMMV here ... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm very pleased you understand this concept as many TM'ers are poorly educated on this subject. Although, MMY does teach Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara and Samyama, or the higher limbs of Yoga, it's the lower two, Yama and Niyama he almost completely ignores due to their religious implications. It seems to me there are many ways to achieve this reversal of awareness as it is more a bi-product of correct meditation and there are many types of meditation. Prana-yama (lifeforce-control) is of course fundamental...along with what you have mentioned. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. It would be interesting if you could share your experience here...vis-a-vis this subject of prana. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. Even wounded, pain-filled, rebellious, critical, superior, supercilious, arrogant, rage-filled, hate-filled, blaming, victimized, caught-in- a- tape-loop, stuck-in-a-rut, unable-to-listen, particles in me eventually have found their ultimate rest in the irresistible grace- flow of Love initiated with TM and TMSP, and more miraculous still, have even found that their very *rebellion itself* is and has always been perfect waves of perfect expression on the immense Ocean of His/my Being. There has never been an error. snip Oh, right -- and even particles so stuck-in-a-rut that they are in complete denial that they *are* rage-filled, etc...!..have *also* found their rest in Our Being. These sometimes take a little longer to realize the pre-existent perfection, but what is time in the face of the timeless? :-) *L*L*L*
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: It would be very difficult to be invisible with millions of people standing around, would it not? Classic. kaaya-ruupa-saMyamaat *tad-graahya-shakti-stambhe* cakSuH-prakaashaasaMprayoge *'ntardhaanam* (antardhaanam).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm very pleased you understand this concept as many TM'ers are poorly educated on this subject. Although, MMY does teach Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara and Samyama, or the higher limbs of Yoga, it's the lower two, Yama and Niyama he almost completely ignores due to their religious implications. It seems to me there are many ways to achieve this reversal of awareness as it is more a bi-product of correct meditation and there are many types of meditation. Prana-yama (lifeforce-control) In my understanding, the most popular sandhi-vigraha for /praaNaayaama/ is /praaNa + aayaama/. AyAma m. stretching , extending RPra1t. Sus3r. c. ; restraining , restrained , stopping Mn. MBh. Bhag. c. ; expansion , length (either in space or time) , breadth (in mensuration) Sus3r. A1s3vGr2. R. Megh. c. is of course fundamental...along with what you have mentioned. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting if you could share your experience here...vis-a-vis this subject of prana. My experience has been that Prana is like the covering of the Bodily Light; the more it is effortlessly surrendered into the mantric grace- flow of the Divine Teacher, the more the pre-existent radiance of the Eternal Clear Light shines. The Clear Light is the Mirror of Consciousness, and shows itself to be the binding midpoint of Love and Bliss. These three -- Love, Light and Laughter -- are in turn a particular covering of Me, the Indescribable, the Unbound/Binding/Bound One, delighting in the adoration of Being every particle in my bodymind, playing in the stories of the fields of spacetime. From this vantage-point the progress has always been smooth and sure; at various points along the way such is most definitely *not* the case, much more like punctuated equilibrium, if not outright Hell on Earth ... all most excellent stories, it turns out :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:04 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm very pleased you understand this concept as many TM'ers are poorly educated on this subject. It was an important part of my training in both the Hindu tantras but espcially in the Buddhist anuttara-tantras, where the original versions of hatha-yoga are still intact. One of the things I appreciated about Swami Rama's version of TM was after mantra-diksha and the gap was experienced they were taught how to make the karmic-prana empty into the central channel. His institute really trained people to become yogis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, I wish I had the writing skills to do what I want to do in this post. But, NO ONE has such skills. All the scriptures of the world were written by the smartest folks possible, and none of them ever produced anything in text that would, you know, pick one's soul up like a crying toddler and, just with a whisper or two to the intellect, free one FOREVER. That's prolly impossible, even theoretically, cuz what ya hafta challenge, is /maayaa/ by /brahma/, janmaadyasya yataH! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. That there is absolutely a result of clearing one's perception to see life as it really is through the practice of TM/TMSP. Doesn't need to be taught, just held on to long enough for it to happen. Perhaps some confusion arises when this process of the rotating/counter-rotating pranas are seen as a strictly linear process. In other words that the rotation of prana towards the senses slows down and ceases in one's life, before the counter-rotation begins. Which must happen experience by experience, but not monolithically. in other words, we can experience both states before the rotation towards the senses is completely exhausted for all time. Then they join up in blissful union anyway, so the model no longer works. Anyway I find it fun when my intuition recognizes something and you then explain it in depth! Fun! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mad Money UnLimited
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exc. Bevan Morris and Exc. John Hagelin announced in their press conference today that the Raam Currency will be available in UNLIMITED quantities from Today afternoon onwards. He also said that the first two or three years of Vedic agriculture might result in loss, but will be compensated in future profits. http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=763 Sounds to me as if they are tripping over a jyotish interpretation.:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prana is the vitality of the physical body and the vehicle of the soul (jivatman) which enables it to communicate with the world, it's not the soul per-se but the vehicle of the soul/consciousness. When this vital energy is caught up in the senses/body it is blind to the spiritual worlds, the key to spiritual awareness is the reversal of these vital pranas in the vital/astral body. The vital energies existing in the etheric body are like energies that are in constant motion and their direction is down or towards the senses. Pratyhara is the beginning of the reversal of this direction much like a gradual slowing of a freight train, once the freight train actually *stops* the breath also stops! because the breath is a *bi-product* of prana not the prana itself. Once the pranas start spinning clockwise (hitherto purportedly they are spinning counter-clock wise and outward towards the senses) and *reverse* their direction, awareness in the spiritual worlds commences, not before. Remember the prana is the vehical of soul/consciousness. Like a freight train reversing it's direction, it takes as much 'effort' and dedication to accomplish this task as well. MMY said (in Fuiggi, Italy) it could take a million years to reach CC (or accomplish this task fully) unless you come to these courses . And this act of reversal from prana moving out to prana moving in will be experienced as poison by the mind. It will be boring, dull, blank, etc. The mind will do everything in the book to continue the outward flow of prana. Bhakti utilizes this outward flow moving through tamasic to rajasic to sattvic forms of devotion. Finally the sattvic flow allows a transcendance into parabhakti; devotion outside of the gunas-Self worshipping Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mad Money UnLimited
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Exc. Bevan Morris and Exc. John Hagelin announced in their press conference today that the Raam Currency will be available in UNLIMITED quantities from Today afternoon onwards. He also said that the first two or three years of Vedic agriculture might result in loss, but will be compensated in future profits. http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=763 Sounds to me as if they are tripping over a jyotish interpretation.:-) * At one time, the Global Country was saying that they were going to back the Raam with gold, which would certainly put a crimp in the ability to print currency to give away to needy people in third-world countries. But, since the Raam is not backed by anything, of course it's available in unlimited quantities! The hitch is trying to buy tractors, seed, etc with an imaginary currency. Also, since a few businesses in Holland and elsewhere accept the Raam, I think the lifetime of this currency is going to be real short, since the recipients of unlimited Raam bucks in Africa will just fly it up to Holland to buy whatever stuff they can from the few small businesses that accept the Raam, and when the Global Country is unable to convert these bills into hard currency for paying vendors, the Raam will be withdrawn from circulation. I don't think it's too long before the dreamy and virtual efforts of the Global Country are going to be replaced with an agenda that could actually work. Things that don't work, like Communism etc, just have a short shelf life. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2007.html
[FairfieldLife] U of I paper on Lynch weekend
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prana is the vitality of the physical body and the vehicle of the soul (jivatman) which enables it to communicate with the world, it's not the soul per-se but the vehicle of the soul/consciousness. When this vital energy is caught up in the senses/body it is blind to the spiritual worlds, the key to spiritual awareness is the reversal of these vital pranas in the vital/astral body. The vital energies existing in the etheric body are like energies that are in constant motion and their direction is down or towards the senses. Pratyhara is the beginning of the reversal of this direction much like a gradual slowing of a freight train, once the freight train actually *stops* the breath also stops! because the breath is a *bi-product* of prana not the prana itself. Once the pranas start spinning clockwise (hitherto purportedly they are spinning counter-clock wise and outward towards the senses) and *reverse* their direction, awareness in the spiritual worlds commences, not before. Remember the prana is the vehical of soul/consciousness. Like a freight train reversing it's direction, it takes as much 'effort' and dedication to accomplish this task as well. MMY said (in Fuiggi, Italy) it could take a million years to reach CC (or accomplish this task fully) unless you come to these courses . And this act of reversal from prana moving out to prana moving in will be experienced as poison by the mind. It will be boring, dull, blank, etc. The mind will do everything in the book to continue the outward flow of prana. Bhakti utilizes this outward flow moving through tamasic to rajasic to sattvic forms of devotion. Finally the sattvic flow allows a transcendance into parabhakti; devotion outside of the gunas-Self worshipping Self. Interestingthere are so many paths to God, I guess like MMY said at Humbolt, All roads lead to Rome. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. Even wounded, pain-filled, rebellious, critical, superior, supercilious, arrogant, rage-filled, hate-filled, blaming, victimized, caught-in- a- tape-loop, stuck-in-a-rut, unable-to-listen, particles in me eventually have found their ultimate rest in the irresistible grace- flow of Love initiated with TM and TMSP, and more miraculous still, have even found that their very *rebellion itself* is and has always been perfect waves of perfect expression on the immense Ocean of His/my Being. There has never been an error. snip Oh, right -- and even particles so stuck-in-a-rut that they are in complete denial that they *are* rage-filled, etc...!..have *also* found their rest in Our Being. These sometimes take a little longer to realize the pre-existent perfection, but what is time in the face of the timeless? :-) *L*L*L* That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, although your description was very colorful. In some practitioners of the TMSP, what yogins are finding is exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed. Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path emerging from and always underlying their built-in self- transcendence); at any rate that has been my experience. Even wounded, pain-filled, rebellious, critical, superior, supercilious, arrogant, rage-filled, hate-filled, blaming, victimized, caught-in- a- tape-loop, stuck-in-a-rut, unable-to-listen, particles in me eventually have found their ultimate rest in the irresistible grace- flow of Love initiated with TM and TMSP, and more miraculous still, have even found that their very *rebellion itself* is and has always been perfect waves of perfect expression on the immense Ocean of His/my Being. There has never been an error. snip Oh, right -- and even particles so stuck-in-a-rut that they are in complete denial that they *are* rage-filled, etc...!..have *also* found their rest in Our Being. These sometimes take a little longer to realize the pre-existent perfection, but what is time in the face of the timeless? :-) *L*L*L* That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, although your description was very colorful. In some practitioners of the TMSP, what yogins are finding is exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed. Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved. Dude, I also heard that rock and roll is the work of the DEVIL. Ooh. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually hot in FF, Karunamayi this Month
Lady Saint from India, Visits FF for the 8th year FW: paste Sri Karunamayi in Iowa June 18 - 21, 2007 Amma is the living embodiment of the infinite wisdom, love and compassion of Divine Mother. Her mission is one of universal peace and the spiritual elevation of humanity. Monday, June 18 7 pm Spiritual Discourse/Blessings Roberts Hall, Route 1 South, Keosauqua, IA All are invited to experience Amma's inspirational message and receive her blessings. Tuesday, June 19 9 am 12 pm Individual Blessings Roberts Hall, Route 1 South, Keosauqua, IA This program provides an opportunity to have a private audience with Sri Karunamayi and to seek her guidance and blessings. For more information: http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/IndividualBlessingPrograms.shtml Wednesday, June 208 am - 6 pmOne Day Silent Retreat Roberts Hall, Route 1 South, Keosauqua, IA Amma's Silent Meditation Retreats provide a precious opportunity for those who want to deepen their spiritual practice in the presence of the Divine Mother. The silent retreat atmosphere allows one to be spiritually nourished with Amma's love and blessings through meditations and divine discourses. For more information http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2007FairfieldRetreat.shtml Thursday, June 219 am 1 pmHoma Vedic Fire Ceremony Aurora Farm, 2309 Kale Blvd., Fairfield, IA A Homa is a sacred ceremony in which oblations are offered through the medium of fire according to Vedic scriptural injunctions while special mantras are recited. They are performed for the benefit of the entire world as well as the participants. Amma has stated that these ceremonies purify the earth's atmosphere, uplift the community and contribute to the health and prosperity of the individual. For more information: http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/HomaPrograms.shtml For more information visit www.karunamayi.org or call 641-472-8422 All programs are free of charge except the retreat. Please forward this email and share the news of Sri Karunamayi's visit to Iowa. Thank you. end paste
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: SOBERING
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't me looking to the republicans for any help on this one- illegal immigration is policy for them. Possibly more so than the dems. Especially the bushies!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, although your description was very colorful. Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of refinement/cessation of breath and the absorption into the rapture of the kundalini-flow up the sushumna through its chakras and into the spherical golden-light-body, and of the later dissolution of this Solar Witness into THAT, the Great Immensity, and so on, because I believe I've said it all before, and you apparently continue to discount it, or insist it's not possible through the TM TMSP program -- perhaps because I have not, 30 years after the fact, recalled or related every infinitesimal stage like water-into-smoke or whatever that your currently-adopted tradition holds to be of utmost importance as a criterion for Awakening...? Of course, the biggest joke is, we only truly Awaken when we realize there *are* no criteria, no experiences, no stages, no *anything* that can get us from Here to Here! :-) If you have found TM/TMSP to be of no value in your Awakening, well and good; I wish you all the best; your path is perfect and all paths lead back to Me for those with the courage to follow the Self Alone, but I will yet again point out that your particular experience or interpretation of TM/TMSP, while certainly valid for you in this moment, is not universal. In some practitioners of the TMSP, I wonder how many? what yogins are finding is exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed. I can almost guarantee that *anyone* who's afraid of downward turns on the wheel of samsara will certainly undergo them! More of Me to Love, and all THAT. :-) I'm familiar with Joan Shivarpita Harrigan's Kundalini Vidya and her models of unsuccessful risings. I like her general outlay of subtle anatomy, and I'm sure she offers a wonderful service, but the nonculminating rising has certainly not been my experience. This is not to say the TMO and its TM practitioners could not benefit from incorporating a good deal more awareness of the Kundalini process. I suspect we all bring our own issues to our own birth. Some births are messy, some are not. Blockages certainly occur, and can often be resolved through breath, easy attention, etc. On the other hand, I suspect too much attention on the Kundalini-process itself could also be inimical to one's true Awakening, as its presence or absence can be used as yet another criterion to deny the eternal perfection of the present, and for me at least, the conventionally understood Kundalini rising into the Golden Soul -- while unimaginably powerful, blissful, clear, etc -- was at most but a midway station, and perhaps not necessary for all -- to actual Awakening into THAT, compared to which it was but a candle in the Sun. I like much of what Joan S. Harrigan says, although we differ quite emphatically on the placement and function of the Hrit padma. The scriptures cited in Shyam Sundar Goswami's Layayoga agree far more closely with my own experience and Understanding on that -- which I find has been central to the understanding of the true relationship of Shiva and Shakti, as well as to the understanding of the 1 and the 12, the unfoldment of the 27 bodies of consciousness and so on. Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved. Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-) *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great ghastly logos of all time
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But they left out the picture of the Instituto de Estudos Orienta logo, a pagoda behind a setting sun. here it is: http://www.zerozen.com/blog/wp-content/imagenes/logo_oriente.gif Can this be bettered? No, it cannot. lurk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mad Money UnLimited
On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:08 PM, bob_brigante wrote: At one time, the Global Country was saying that they were going to back the Raam with gold, which would certainly put a crimp in the ability to print currency to give away to needy people in third-world countries. But, since the Raam is not backed by anything, of course it's available in unlimited quantities! It's backed with consciousness, Bob. The hitch is trying to buy tractors, seed, etc with an imaginary currency. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: SOBERING
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Fw: SOBERING Interesting, and this is only one State, Look around your neighborhood and your state. ...If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will! From the L.A. Times 1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card. 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking. 10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ). ;(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue. HOW CAN YOU HELP? Send copies of this letter to at least two other people ... 100 would be even better.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Reversal of Subtle Pranas
Vaj: In some practitioners of the TMSP, what yogins are finding is exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed. Empty: Perhaps I'm confused. Who are these yogins you are talking about the SP practitioners themselves or some other practitioner (of something or other)? Vaj: It was an important part of my training in both the Hindu tantras but especially in the Buddhist anuttara-tantras, where the original versions of hatha-yoga are still intact. Empty: So you and BillyG are attempting to meta-critique TM and TMSP using nadi-prana theory from ascending/descending prana-yogas, one Buddhist and one Hindu? Vaj: One of the things I appreciated about Swami Rama's version of TM was after mantra-diksha and the gap was experienced they were taught how to make the karmic-prana empty into the central channel. His institute really trained people to become yogis. Empty: Perhaps what I'm really missing is why you are using extra-contextual theories without establishing their proper role relative to TM/TMSP or even that these various theories/practices have any relevance to our common experience in TM practice? Nadi-Prana yogas and the central channel are described as special practices for developing specific results. They are not considered necessary for generating profound realizations nor are they universally sponsored by most practice lineages in Buddhism, much less Hinduism. The language of the gap you are using here is one way to describe an experience of the indivisible matrix of mind also know as the four parts without three. However, gap language is not really used to indicate transcendence during TM style meditations, as you seem to be doing. So what gives? Since I'm new to the forum, I may have just missed the clarifying insights you presented in former days about these ideas. On the other hand, I did read some of your posts in the past and if my memory serves, you seem to be a vajrayana triumphalist. I could be wrong of course, and if so, no doubt you'll correct me in some generous and splendid manner! Being a broken, old man, all of it could just be my dim memory. Toothless and bent over, tottering from one step to the other, I'm afraid I can't even find my way when I'm sitting down. Help me Obewan! Now, staring at the blue glow from the monitor in the next room, I finally realize it is not really the moon. Didn't your Buddha warn you about shouting out your closed-fist teachings around people like me?
[FairfieldLife] Wireless recharging
today's WSJ: Scientists Demonstrate Wireless Electricity By WILLIAM M. BULKELEY CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- A 60-watt light bulb that glows even though it's not wired to any power source could pave the way for wireless recharging of cellphone batteries and operation of mobile robots, scientists reported. A team of Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers reported in Science Express, the online publication of the journal Science, that they had demonstrated wireless transmission of electric power by magnetically coupled resonators. They dubbed their technology WiTricity for wireless electricity. Marin Soljacic, the physics professor who led the team, said that the technology is sufficiently proved that now is a good time to start thinking about commercializing it. He said that while further development is needed to improve efficiency, he thinks commercial products could be on a sale in a few years, if you started working very seriously. He said MIT would handle licensing of the technology. While wireless transmission of electricity over radio waves is well known, it is very inefficient because most of the power is dissipated in directions other than the device that needs the power. Mr. Soljacic's team theorized that two copper coils tuned to resonate in identical magnetic fields would assure that the power was used only where it was needed. Physicists know that resonant objects interact only with objects on the same resonance. For example, when an opera singer holds a note in a room filled with wine glasses filled to different levels, only one glass, which resonates with that note, is likely to shatter. The researcher's technology uses a copper coil, attached to a power outlet to transmit electro-magnetic waves at set frequencies. A receiving coil attached to the base of the light bulb, can receive the power for a distance up to seven feet, making it appropriate for rooms. Mr. Soljacic, a 33-year-old who came to MIT after graduating from high school in his native Croatia, said he thinks manufacturers could include such coils in battery-powered devices such as laptop computers to make automated, wireless recharging possible. He said he started considering the problem several years ago because he kept being awakened in the night by the sound of his cellphone beeping because its battery was getting low and he had forgotten to put it on its charger. The technology doesn't work over long distances, but it functions well within average sized rooms in homes, he said. That might make it possible to build wireless devices that don't require batteries. He noted that many devices such as robot vacuum cleaners and laptop computers run on less energy than the light bulb his team lit up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-) *L*L*L* Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened hearts of others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice or meditation also find the Self friendly and blissful and attractive and happy, without necessarily knowing what it is that they are reacting to.:-)
