[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
I am the wrong guy to comment, I am not giving shatipat. Mother Meera sees 1000 people each weekend ( my details may be off). In one of her books I remember she said I am not a Guru. Mother Meera labels it her system of Dharshan. I attended it - it is about maybe 30 seconds each person, first she looks in your eyes, then touches your head. Somewhere in one of the publications, it is explained by Mother Meera what is taking place in the process. As I recall, when she looks in your eyes, she sees the soul, when she toches your head, she is untieing these knots- seems to be connected with what MMY was describing with the fine tube - 100 times thinner than a human hair Never been hugged by Amma. Because I have taken the shaktipat from my Guru, I would agree with the comment- it is very rare for a Guru to be giving shatipat like this. It is coming from zero point balance, it will either aide in the awakening of Kundalni or balance those in the midst of a kundalini awakening. Energy work ( shaktipat session) by my Guru can last maybe 1-2 hours. While I am at it, there is not doership for the enlightened- so there is not going to be recycleing energy or attempting anything. They explain there is no one to do this, no one to try to have their husband understand something. It simple IS, then life flows. It is explained as consciousness knows what to do. I can say I relate to this very much and this statement ties in very much with being in the present moment. In saying consciousness knows what to do, I experience this to some degree. hard to explain. Tanmay There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work H. Amma has hugged 20-something million people so far. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Bec
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
--he needs to be able to discriminate
between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or
doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown
intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an
enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-
)
Tom T:
Patanjali final vs (55) of Chapter 3
When the translucent intellect is as clear as the Self. There is
enlightenment.
sattva-puruSayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam
In purity-equality(shuddhi-saamye; locative singular)
of sattva[and]puruSa (sattva-puruSayoH; genitive dual)
kaivalya (kaivalyam).
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
'kaivalya' is derived from 'kevala':
kevala m. (nom. pl. %{e} RV. x , 51 , 9) f. (%{I} RV. x , 73 , 6 AV.
S3Br. ; %{A} Mn. c. see Pa1n2. 4-1 , 30)n. (in comp. Pa1n2. 2-1 ,
49) exclusively one's own (not common to others) RV. AV. ; alone ,
only , mere , sole , one , excluding others RV. AV. TS. c. ; not
connected with anything else , isolated , abstract , absolute
[310,1] ; simple , pure , uncompounded , unmingled S3Br. c. ;
entire , whole , all Mn. MBh. c. ; selfish , envious L. ;
[FairfieldLife] Response to Kalki post and new sadaka report
Namaste GuruJi and Group, Namaste Another posting from the same kalki member: From the 2 people I know who had taken the leyham during the 21 day process it was a lot of being sick and having it come out both ends. One of the fellows had wonderful experiences and does so still 2 years later after the leyham wore off. 0- well taking something that is making one purge and retch simply doesn't make sense. * The other fellow has increasing enjoyment in his life but still has obvious challenges, but I dont remember him reporting much flash...But then again flash is not what waking up is about. 0- it has nothing to do with flash. * As for me you can read my post from a few days ago, or read Arjuna Ardagh's book Awakening into Oneness. Some of my on going experiences I discussed recently with my guru, Shree Maa and her instruction was to continue to go inside and not to talk much about it. 0- this can be understood if it becomes an ego draw. * Form your own conclusions but base them on your own experience and not baseless conjecture. 0- one starts with what has been heard as am certainly not going to go and take one of their courses to figure out what is taking place there. Am not that interested but would like to find out being that am having some come here after having attended there. Maha Shanti OM 0 Report from a new sadaka with commentary by Swami G: Namaste everyone, Namaste - It's hard to believe that I met Swami G just nine days ago (Monday, August 20th, 2007). It feels like it has been a lot longer than that. My concepts of time seem to be dissolving and changingwhich is a good thing. 0- one can get in a time warp that's for sure. First let me say that I sincerely appreciate the fact that I met Swami G and that I found this online community. I've been catching up with all of the dialogue that has, and is, taking place here, and it's great to know that I have somewhere to go and interact with people who are going through and focused on working on the same thing. It has been really eye opening and very helpfulenlightening! 0- am glad you are benefiting from the online community. I've been going through a long and intense period of change for the past 3 years, and especially for the past 6 months. I contacted Swami G because I could feel that something significant was about to happen and I figured that I could use some extra help and guidance. And sure enough, she has provided just that. 0- it's good that progress is being made. I've had two sessions of bodywork done so far, and I can tell that it has been doing me some good. First of all, it has allowed me to gain confidence in Swami G as a person and as a Guru. The talks that I've had with her have also helped do this. 0- you are welcome to have darshan and satsang anytime. I've also noticed that I'm not able to dwell on, or get caught up in, my thoughts and thought patterns. This skill is something that I have been working on intensely for months now, but since I have been working with Swami G and the practices that she has given me, I have noticed a definite increase in my ability keep letting go everything, over and over again. And not just the easy stuff, eitherI'm talking about everything and anything. And this seems to be the most major thing that is going on right now. It hasn't been easy, but it hasn't been that hard, either. And it hasn't been hard because Sri Kundalini and I have been slicing and dicing anything that's hard into piecesinto Consciousnesswith awareness. 0- most excellent - this will continue to increase with more and more falling away the further you go. I've improved on the pranayama exercise as well. Being able to determine which nostril my breath is moving in and out of, and which one it isn't, wasn't very easy at first. But I've finally gotten the hang of it. I've turned it into a game. I haven't been able to notice if my breath gets evened out on both sides or not yet, but I'm sure that will happen soon enough. I've also found that bringing my awareness to my nostrils is a powerful centering technique for both my mind, and my eyes [I say my eyes because they have been moving around a lot during meditation, lately]. 0- this will adjust and get better as time goes. I can't say that I've been practicing the mantra diligently. Not in the way that I was instructed, anyway. I've been practicing Om Namah Shivaya for so long that I AM THAT just isn't working yet. What I've been doing instead is practicing the same technique with Om Namah Shivaya. In other words, I've replaced I AM THAT with Om Namah Shivaya for both the closed eyed and opened eyed practiceand I have been making sure that I make it resonate in the chest/heart area, as wellthis I have been doing diligently. 0- ok - if this is working it's fine. Note to Swami G: I think that you told me that this was OK for me to do. I've also been
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Rick Archer wrote: It seems that no matter how clearly someone relates an experience, you misunderstand it. Michael just related the time Muktananda visited MMY, and at one point in the evening, sat next to MMY on his couch and hugged him. Hundreds of people were there and it was videotaped. I saw the tape myself. Re-read what Michael wrote – several times – and maybe it'll become clearer. Richard, Rick is correct in what he says here to you. I am clear with my words, and said exactly what I meant to say in my telling of the story of the meeting of Maharishi and Swami Muktananda. Your extrapo- lation of my words, bending them into something very different, is in- deed strange! Please CAREFULLY re-read what I wrote. Richard, I've never said anything remotely like what you've repeated- ly attributed to me. I've let it pass for days, thinking that you'd drop it, but you continue to repeat your bizarre interpretation of my story, and to plaster my name along with it - so you've inspired this note. I'll correct your errors below. Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: But according to Mr. Goodman, he never once, despite having spent years in the upper echelons of the TMO, and countless hours in the presence of the Marshy, never once saw anyone wrap the Marshy in a hug, sit down next to him, or snuggle up against the Marshy, but you and the others are convinced that the Marshy took to bed countless female students over a number of years for the purpose of sexual gratification. Rick Archer wrote: It's clear from Michael's account that Muktananda hugged him as a fellow yogi. Richard, Rick is mostly correct - although I'd say he hugged him as a 'force of nature', as a 'cosmic polarity', rather than simply as 'an- other yogi'. The main point is that I didn't even remotely hint at any kind of mundane, individual sexual energy in that scene. Cosmic 'sex- ual energy' - yes, in the sense of the cosmic duality of silence and activity, Shiva and Shakti, yin and yang, fullness moves, emptiness pounces... Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: So, who are you going to believe, Rick - Michael Dean Goodman and dozens of others, who spent years with the Marshy, in his room or outside his door, who all said they never saw Marshy hug anyone, or one or two disgruntled back-sliders who said they saw Marshy hug many female students? In your case, you obviously believe the few disgruntled. FIRST: I've never claimed to have ...spent years with the Marshy, in his room or outside his door. Richard, you just MADE THAT UP!!! I was too busy working at my job on International Staff, or on my assign- ments on projects out in the world, or diving deep within on courses. I have no direct perceptual knowledge of what Maharishi did in his room - one way or the other. [I am not supporting what Rick claims to have been told - just saying that I wasn't in a position to personally know. Very few people were.] SECOND: I never said that I never once saw anyone wrap the Marshy in a hug, sit down next to him, or snuggle up against the Marshy in the vastly expand- ed way that you've chosen to interpret it. My meaning was clear: in lec- ture halls or group meetings, in the places where I and most people saw Maharishi, whether live or on videotape, in those thousands of hours that most of us could witness Maharishi's behavior, I don't remember ever see- ing anyone sit down next to Maharishi, or touch him, or hug him. Again, I wasn't privy to what Maharishi did in private, and I made no comment on that. Richard, you BIZARRELY EXAGGERATED THE OBVIOUS MEANING OF WHAT I SAID!!! THIRD: I call Maharishi by the name he uses to speak of himself. This is com- mon courtesy. To change someone's name (to shorten it, make it 'cutesy', or whatever - as in 'The Marshy') is usually the mark of strongly-gripped individual ego - either to show off, or to appear more intimate than we actually are, or to put someone down, or to express anger in a childish way. Maharishi is my Master; for me, he delivered; I'm delighted with where he's guided me. I don't want my name and words to be associated with strange, disrespectful versions of his name, like you've invented. It would be like my calling you (Richard Williams) 'the Rich/hard [boy who] Wills yams', or 'Willytex', or any such nonsense, over and over, just to show off how clever my individual intellect is at word-play or at disrespecting you. I could demean you in that way to score a few ego points - but what a waste of human intellect and heart! In conclusion, please stop twisting my words - and using my name - to make some point that is important to you. And please stop as- sociating me with your disrespectful word games. I resent being used! At least without consent. ;) Namaste, Michael Michael Dean Goodman, Ph.D. The PremYoga Center, Co-Director PARA - The Center for Realization, Director The Relationship Institute, Director
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:19 PM, tertonzeno wrote: b. that Yogananda taught a modified form of Kriya yoga, not the original. Interesting that's essentially what I heard, that it was at least a reduced set of kriyas. The friend who decided to get initated into kriya-yoga was somewhat surprised at the time because he had read Autobiography of a Yogi years before but when he went to learn there were already a number of competing factions with competing claims.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
In a message dated 8/29/07 6:37:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Should have? Isn't that what they did?Thus the saying *never again*. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[FairfieldLife] 'Where Have All the $Billions$ Gone? Long Time Passing...'
Bush Wants $50 Billion More for Iraq War Planned Request Signals Confidence
That Congress Won't Prevail on PulloutBy Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 29, 2007; Page A01 President Bush plans to ask Congress
next month for up to $50 billion in additional funding for the war in Iraq, a
White House official said yesterday, a move that appears to reflect increasing
administration confidence that it can fend off congressional calls for a rapid
drawdown of U.S. forces.
The request -- which would come on top of about $460 billion in the fiscal
2008 defense budget and $147 billion in a pending supplemental bill to fund the
wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- is expected to be announced after congressional
hearings scheduled for mid-September featuring the two top U.S. officials in
Iraq. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker will assess
the state of the war and the effect of the new strategy the U.S. military has
pursued this year.
Play Video
VIDEO | President Bush discusses the war in Iraq and the war on terror during
his speech to the American Legion convention in Reno, Nev.
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The request is being prepared now in the belief that Congress will be
unlikely to balk so soon after hearing the two officials argue that there are
promising developments in Iraq but that they need more time to solidify the
progress they have made, a congressional aide said.
Most of the additional funding in a revised supplemental bill would pay for
the current counteroffensive in Iraq, which has expanded the U.S. force there
by about 28,000 troops, to about 160,000. The cost of the buildup was not
included in the proposed 2008 budget because Pentagon officials said they did
not know how long the troop increase would last. The decision to seek about $50
billion more appears to reflect the view in the administration that the
counteroffensive will last into the spring of 2008 and will not be shortened by
Congress.
Some consideration is being given to trimming the new request by a few
billion dollars, the White House official said. But, he added, this is pretty
close to a done deal. Almost all the spending is relatively noncontroversial,
he added, with the vast majority of it necessary just to keep the U.S. military
operating in Iraq. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity
because he is not authorized to talk to reporters, said that the supplemental
requests are likely to be rolled together and considered as one package.
The revised supplemental would total about $200 billion, indicating that the
cost of the war in Iraq now exceeds $3 billion a week. The bill also covers the
far smaller costs of the war in Afghanistan. The Pentagon said recently that
the cost of the Iraq war has surpassed $330 billion, while the war in
Afghanistan has cost $78 billion.
We have said previously that after General Petraeus reports, we will be
evaluating what adjustments may need to be made to our pending [fiscal 2008]
supplemental request, which was sent up in February with the rest of the
budget, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said last night. I'm going to
decline to speculate on this, as General Petraeus has not testified. Nor have
any decisions been made at this stage about whether, when or what specific
changes could be made.
A House Appropriations Committee aide said that an additional White House
spending request has been anticipated but that it was expected to be far
smaller, perhaps about $30 billion. We haven't seen the details, but we'll
give it the scrutiny it deserves, said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate
Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). It's long past time for giving blank
checks to the administration.
Despite widespread media anticipation of next month's Iraq hearings, Pentagon
insiders say they do not expect them to result in any major changes in military
strategy. The sessions are expected to occur the week of Sept. 10, with
Petraeus and Crocker appearing before a total of four committees in the House
and Senate.
I don't see any
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I am at it, there is not doership for the enlightened- so there is not going to be recycleing energy or attempting anything. They explain there is no one to do this, no one to try to have their husband understand something. It simple IS, then life flows. This sounds confused. The entire Universe acts as the agency of the Divine, and therefore we can conclude that nothing ever happens. However, in terms of localized phenomenon as absorbed by the senses, stuff very much *does* happen. So, on the one hand you speak of the subjective expeience of the enlightened, and on the other the perception of localized phenomenon. But someone, either you or your guru, is scrambling the two up. So trying to say that the outcome of localized events is not dependent on desire and karma is just sowing confusion in the minds of those who don't have the subjective experience of enlightement, and of no help whatsoever. Maharishi talks about this in the Gita. Perhaps your guru and the enlightened one who's husband can't understand her need to read his words and clear up their thinking.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My meaning was clear: in lecture halls or group meetings, in the places where I and most people saw Maharishi, whether live or on videotape, in those thousands of hours that most of us could witness Maharishi's behavior, I don't remember ever seeing anyone sit down next to Maharishi, or touch him, or hug him. Again, I wasn't privy to what Maharishi did in private, and I made no comment on that. http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/D/donovan_gift.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When he resurfaced recently, I hoped he would update us on life for him, his family and friends in NOLA, 24 months after the levees broke. Maybe he'll resurface, for a thoughtful post on the topic. I remember his optimism about 6 or 8 months ago. I hope things are getting better there for all. Till we hear from Kirk, here's a good summary of what it's like in New Orleans: http://docbrite.livejournal.com/2007/08/29/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Dr. Peter Sutphen wrote: Don't stop now, babycakes. So, it has been established that both the Marshy and the Mukta were reprobates in a conspiracy to seduce their female students and then tried to cover it up. And it has been established that the Marshy and the Mukta actualy met in public and congratulated each other in their deceptions and profligacy in a public display with a bear hug in front of numerous sexually assaulted females. What a farce! And it has been established that numerous male students were Marshy's primary recruiters. And it has been established that said recruiters for years sought to withhold this information and even to this day are in a state of denial. So, the so-called personal secretaries were in fact Marshy ENABLERS who decieved the poor students under the pretence of spirituality, and charged them money for non-sense gibberrish syllables, fraudulent claims of obtaining enlightenment in 5-7 years, and claims of levitation and the abilty to fly through the air. And again, to this day, there are individuals high up in the TMO who post here and will not be truthful about these issues or be honest about their enabling activities. And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. But I'm the delusional one. Go figure. And to think, that one informer has the gall to add the status claim of Tantra Counselor to his title and the other calls himself a Doctor and another miscreant claims to be studying to be an Tantric Acharya who teaches Power Touch Yoga. This is just outrageous!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. I think Dr. Pete and Michael Goodman used it to start a dog fighting ring in Boca Raton. But seriously, what money are you asking about? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. Rick Archer wrote: But seriously, what money are you asking about? All the money collected by the TMO enablers since 1956. Other questions: How much TMO money has been sent to India to the Marshy's relatives? And what recompense has been given to the victims since the alleged events occurred?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Troll: And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money Me:(acting a bit trollish) If Rick would just accept his omniscient status conferred by his being a moderator it would solve a lot of problems here. Just the other day I asked him where I put my car keys and he played dumb like he didn't know! Outrageous! Go figure! Troll again: But I'm the delusional one. Go figure. Me: (now on full blown troll mode) Not delusional exactly, although you may well be that too. It is more that your posts rarely connect in a way that makes sense to this reader. The closest thing to the communication style you exhibit is guy before he gets ejected from the bar. One confrontational non sequitur follows another. When I read your posts I imagine you like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=82-FJyniP7Amode=relatedsearch= Now you may be a teetotaler and never drink for all I know. But if I were you I would go with the I was totally wasted when I wrote that over the alternative, I am completely sober but completely unhinged. Oh yeah and even for guys like me who enjoy goofing on MMY, the Marshy routine is soo over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Peter Sutphen wrote: Don't stop now, babycakes. So, it has been established that both the Marshy and the Mukta were reprobates in a conspiracy to seduce their female students and then tried to cover it up. And it has been established that the Marshy and the Mukta actualy met in public and congratulated each other in their deceptions and profligacy in a public display with a bear hug in front of numerous sexually assaulted females. What a farce! And it has been established that numerous male students were Marshy's primary recruiters. And it has been established that said recruiters for years sought to withhold this information and even to this day are in a state of denial. So, the so-called personal secretaries were in fact Marshy ENABLERS who decieved the poor students under the pretence of spirituality, and charged them money for non-sense gibberrish syllables, fraudulent claims of obtaining enlightenment in 5-7 years, and claims of levitation and the abilty to fly through the air. And again, to this day, there are individuals high up in the TMO who post here and will not be truthful about these issues or be honest about their enabling activities. And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. But I'm the delusional one. Go figure. And to think, that one informer has the gall to add the status claim of Tantra Counselor to his title and the other calls himself a Doctor and another miscreant claims to be studying to be an Tantric Acharya who teaches Power Touch Yoga. This is just outrageous!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. Rick Archer wrote: But seriously, what money are you asking about? All the money collected by the TMO enablers since 1956. Other questions: How much TMO money has been sent to India to the Marshy's relatives? It would be interesting to know this Richard, but as Curtis pointed out, I am not omniscient. And what recompense has been given to the victims since the alleged events occurred? Not sure what you’re talking about here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Troll: And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money Me:(acting a bit trollish) If Rick would just accept his omniscient status conferred by his being a moderator it would solve a lot of problems here. Just the other day I asked him where I put my car keys and he played dumb like he didn't know! Outrageous! Go figure! Troll again: But I'm the delusional one. Go figure. Me: (now on full blown troll mode) Not delusional exactly, although you may well be that too. It is more that your posts rarely connect in a way that makes sense to this reader. The closest thing to the communication style you exhibit is guy before he gets ejected from the bar. One confrontational non sequitur follows another. When I read your posts I imagine you like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=82-FJyniP7Amode=relatedsearch= Now you may be a teetotaler and never drink for all I know. But if I were you I would go with the I was totally wasted when I wrote that over the alternative, I am completely sober but completely unhinged. Oh yeah and even for guys like me who enjoy goofing on MMY, the Marshy routine is soo over. You gotta love FFL with posts like this, my laugh for the day!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Michael Dean Goodman wrote: I resent being used! So, Dr. Goodman, you think that a visit by the Mukta, a known profligate, with the Marshy, a known sexual pervert, was an inspirational experience, yet, if what Rick and the others allege is true, would be a travesty of the spiritual life - a disgrace. A congratualtory bear hug by two of the most infamous sexual deviates in the history of the enlightenment tradition. Someone is lying, fer sure! But, Michael, why do you call yourself a Governor? International Governor, World Government of the Age of Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
And what recompense has been given to the victims since the alleged events occurred? Rick Archer wrote: Not sure what you're talking about here. Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? Or maybe at least an apology.
[FairfieldLife] Can you see it?
(Give it a sec you will) I recognized this immediately as I was walking through my front room... can you see what my son made? As a geek dad this made me laugh and almost made me cry. [from digg.com] http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1238/1020580663_c50f9652ae_b.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Michael Dean Goodman wrote: I call Maharishi by the name he uses to speak of himself. This is common courtesy. To change someone's name (to shorten it, make it 'cutesy', or whatever - as in 'The Marshy') is usually the mark of strongly-gripped individual ego - either to show off, or to appear more intimate than we actually are, or to put someone down, or to express anger in a childish way. BillyG wrote: You gotta love FFL with posts like this, my laugh for the day!! So, why do you always call him Marshy? But, I'm a childish show off trying to act 'cutesy' so as to appear more intimate when it is common knowledge that his name is Mr. Varma?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda And what recompense has been given to the victims since the alleged events occurred? Rick Archer wrote: Not sure what you're talking about here. Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? I don’t think he feels responsible for Muk’s behavior. Jennifer received financial support for a while. Or maybe at least an apology. Not that I know of. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? Rick Archer wrote: I don't think he feels responsible for Muk's behavior. But Marshy gave the Mukta a public hug - that sort of indicates his approval. I wonder what the victims thought about that scene. Or are you saying that the Marshy didn't know about the Mukta's sexual proclivities. Jennifer received financial support for a while. So, she got paid off not to reveal anything, thus continuing in the deception as an enabler, if not a co-dependent. Or maybe at least an apology. Not that I know of. Maybe Marshy is still in denial. I wonder why the Doctors of Tantra that respond here don't try to help him with some counseling. Mukta is dead but I wonder what kind of sexual harassment policy they have at MUM. From what I've read, none, at least that applies to certain administrators. But it is interesting that there are at least five informers here that claim some kind of tantric status. Go figure.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Can you see it?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can you see it? (Give it a sec you will) I recognized this immediately as I was walking through my front room... can you see what my son made? As a geek dad this made me laugh and almost made me cry. Starship Enterprise. Very cool. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can you see it?
On Aug 30, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can you see it? (Give it a sec you will) I recognized this immediately as I was walking through my front room... can you see what my son made? As a geek dad this made me laugh and almost made me cry. Starship Enterprise. Very cool. Live long and prosper! :-) For some more Trek humor check this out. Ever seen those sappy motivational posters people put up in their offices? http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/star_trek_insp.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
If you'll check the source you'll see that this statement was made by suziezuzie (msilver1951) and that my contribution was to follow with an article discussing Gandhi's passifist views about the Jews. It was Martin Buber who answered Gandhi publicly. Anyone reading Gandhi's comments can see that he wouldn't have minded sending every Jew to the slaughter so he could prove that ahimsa was morally superior. There is so much post-WWII cultural propaganda that people don't even know that the SS wanted to send the Jews out of Europe by train to their home in Palestine. The British refused this request because they didn't want the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to lead Palestinian Muslims in rebellion against British colonialism. It is one of the ironies of history that the SS (who took the homes and possessions of the Jews by force) wanted to return all Jews to their homeland and it was therefore British who blocked this from happening (to protect their territorial interests). To this day the British still deny this truth. (See The Order of the Death's Head by German historian Heinz Hohne). Gandhi's story had now become a westernized cultural hagiography. Western Buddhists (hand in hand with Satyagraha proponents) have been a large part of this effort to portray him as a saint. For my part I take sides with the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw ghetto, who were respected even by the SS. On the other hand, if Gandhi's soul is back on Earth doing the same type of thing again then the Jihadists will slaughter him this time instead of an Indian nationalist. After all, Dar-as-salam (the realm of Islam) has no earthly boundaries. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/29/07 6:37:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Should have? Isn't that what they did?Thus the saying *never again*. - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda Rick Archer wrote: I don't think he feels responsible for Muk's behavior. But Marshy gave the Mukta a public hug - that sort of indicates his approval. I wonder what the victims thought about that scene. Or are you saying that the Marshy didn't know about the Mukta's sexual proclivities. Probably didn’t. Also, Muktananda hugged MMY, not vice versa. Jennifer received financial support for a while. So, she got paid off not to reveal anything, thus continuing in the deception as an enabler, if not a co-dependent. I don’t know the purpose of the payments, nor their amount or duration. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] WAS Baba Muktananda - NOW Money to India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda And the moderator of a spiritual forum won't answer my simple question of What happened to all the money. Rick Archer wrote: But seriously, what money are you asking about? All the money collected by the TMO enablers since 1956. Other questions: How much TMO money has been sent to India to the Marshy's relatives? It would be interesting to know this Richard, but as Curtis pointed out, I am not omniscient. In the past 5 years, the tmo has transferred over $152 million from US accounts into offshore accounts in the Jersey Islands. This is just from tmo IRS reports that are easily found at guidestar (ie entities with Maharishi in the name of the account). Who knows if this money went to India or not, that's the value of offshore accounts in the Jersey Islands, they're hidden from view. If money is going into private accounts it would be from those hidden accounts, not from some US account. My guess would be that about 1/2 gets spent on int'l mov't projects like the pundits and 1/2 gets into the pockets of the family.
[FairfieldLife] Jumbo Romance
It's a very traditional love story - just on a bigger scale than usual. A tame female elephant has fled an Indian circus after eloping with a wild bull elephant that broke open a gate and led her off into the jungle, her distraught handler said today. The wild male, who wildlife officials believe was probably in musth - the periodic condition in which bull elephants seek to mate - turned up at the travelling circus when it stopped in the village of Kumar Bazar, in West Bengal state, yesterday. It broke into an enclosure and led Savitri into the jungle, with the pair being followed by three other female elephants in the same pen. Their trumpeting alerted circus workers, who led them back. When handlers called for Savitri to come to them, she looped her trunk around the bull's leg and he protectively shielded her like in a Bollywood blockbuster, the official said. The forestry department said it would continue to monitor the pair to ensure they did not cause any damage. http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,2159095,00.html
[FairfieldLife] 'Oneness Will Overcome'
In Our Oneness We Shall Overcome A Message from Kerry and her Angels August 29, 2007 In all of our Oneness, what are we to do? We are to walk in faith and remain in our joy. Any challenges we are presented we are to turn to our inner knowing and act on it. Doubt is no longer something to ponder. Like a weed, it can take over and choke out the light of your faith. If we anticipate a cloud of doom, we will bring this cloud into our experience. If we turn this cloud over to God Source it shall dissipate. In other words, do not buy into it! This is what it means to hold the light. To be in our Oneness does not mean we will not have challenges. What it means is we have the means to rise above our challenges. To rise above is to see beyond the illusion and to remember, in our Oneness, all things are possible. Command in God's name, in your Oneness, and it shall be done! To know that we are in a world where there are those who know Source and those who do not, we can forgive those who do not. If we can hold the vision of the promise of this Heavenly realm, we can see through any cloud or illusion. Rejoice with others who see and know! We can receive the comfort and understanding that we may need to put it in God's hands and out of our present realm. It is just a matter of practicing, readjusting our thinking, and choosing to believe. To know, where we place our focus determines what we will manifest. This is one thing we need to keep in mind at the present time. Realigning our focus to embrace a different world is what we can do and be conscious where we place our attention and focus. Focus on the Divine and connect with the Universal God Mind and we shall be guided through any murky waters. Practice on the little things and then the big things will be just as easy in this simple knowing. Prove God in your life and demonstrate his love and gifts for all to see. As God also created the Heavens and Universe, he also created life on other planets. Just like Earth, there are those who know Him and those who do not. And there are also those who pretend to know God and serve Him. When you know Him, you will know the difference. Ask for the clarity to see, the fine tuning to hear and the wisdom to know. Follow no one but your own divine inner guidance, God within. Fear no thing and walk in your Oneness. And when it is time to sleep cleanse your soul of any untruth, repent in choosing to think differently and align to Source so you can enjoy this wonderful gift of being in no time where you are at peace in the stillness of the night. Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find. Lest we not forget this little phrase and experience the miracles in demonstrating the truth in this statement. Nurture yourself in the same way that you nurture others and bless everything you put into your body to raise its vibration to provide you with the nourishment that you need to maintain your health. And last but not least, give thanks for all the blessings you have been given and for your that which you request from above. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth. Meek: Mild in manner, (patience without resentment), Submissive to Thy Will, and Moderate, not violent or forcing ones own will. In our Oneness, we shall overcome! In Love and Light, Kerry and her Angels www.timelyacceptance.com http://home1.gte.net/ladyisis/Kerry.htm - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.
[FairfieldLife] The (R) Evolution?
Spiritual -(R)Evolution --- RARE INSIGHTS http://www.thenewcall.org/download/ri.rtf SERVERS OF THE DIVINE PLAN http://www.thenewcall.org/download/sdp.rtf THE NEW CALL http://www.thenewcall.org/download/tnc.rtf --- Media (Musical-Visual) -(R)Evolution http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=rysa5 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=alienx1976 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=vforvendetta3 --- Media (Free Ebook) -(R)Evolution http://www.scribd.com http://www.gutenberg.org --- Forum -(R)Evolution http://www.godlikeproductions.com http://www.abovetopsecret.com FREEDOM FOREVER!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: When he resurfaced recently, I hoped he would update us on life for him, his family and friends in NOLA, 24 months after the levees broke. Maybe he'll resurface, for a thoughtful post on the topic. I remember his optimism about 6 or 8 months ago. I hope things are getting better there for all. Till we hear from Kirk, here's a good summary of what it's like in New Orleans: http://docbrite.livejournal.com/2007/08/29/ (from docbrite) A large percentage -- I've heard figures ranging from 60 to 75% -- of current New Orleanians are on some form of antidepressant or anti-anxiety drug. The lines at the pharmacy windows have become a running joke. When a visiting expert gave a Power Point presentation on post-traumatic stress disorder recently, the entire audience dissolved into hysterical laughter. Every month or so we get a news story about how many of us are on antidepressants, how many are abusing drugs or alcohol, etc. The numbers are frighteningly high. The latest buzzword is that we're not having PTSD, but continuing stress disorder from living among wreckage and other constant reminders of what happened, still not having levees we can depend on, the increasingly out-of-control cost of living, etc. Many of my close friends are depressed, some so severely that I fear for their lives. Mainstream writes: Tremendous good could come from generously implementing the Principle of the Second Element, bringing light to counter darkness, and offering free TM instruction and free residence courses to the citizens of the post-Katrina plagued Gulf Coast. The TMO has conducted massive initiations elsewhere, and what better place to prove what good an organization can do? The Gulf Coast around New Orleans is atypical of the Southern U.S., and values a 'live and let live' approach to life, and could embrace TM for its simple yet profound stress-reducing effect. Much goodwill and organizational revitalization lie in wait for the TMO among the rubble created by Katrina. May the TMO bring relief directly to the traumatized souls, and by so doing, it may also revitalize itself, and perhaps regain relevance, in the U.S.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans Mainstream writes: Tremendous good could come from generously implementing the Principle of the Second Element, bringing light to counter darkness, and offering free TM instruction and free residence courses to the citizens of the post-Katrina plagued Gulf Coast. The TMO has conducted massive initiations elsewhere, and what better place to prove what good an organization can do? The Gulf Coast around New Orleans is atypical of the Southern U.S., and values a 'live and let live' approach to life, and could embrace TM for its simple yet profound stress-reducing effect. Much goodwill and organizational revitalization lie in wait for the TMO among the rubble created by Katrina. May the TMO bring relief directly to the traumatized souls, and by so doing, it may also revitalize itself, and perhaps regain relevance, in the U.S. I can envision flocks of pigs, flying in formation over the big easy. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
Thanks for the article. One of the reasons, I understand, why the German Jews didn't resist Hitler's plan of extermination was, from my own experience as a Jew in the US, is that assimilated Jews in the country that they are raised are more nationalistic than religious. I'm saying this is true for the majority of secular Jews, not orthodox, that inhabit a country over many generations. If you were to ask me, what are you? I would tell you, I am an American first and really have no feelings about being Jewish. This is the case for the majority of American Jews living in the US today. When I was living in Israel for 11 years, I noticed a strong nationalistic of their own country of origin by those who had immigrated from their home countries. Those born in Israel (Sabras) naturally felt Israeli nationalism, not as a Jew, (since Israel is predominately a secular state) but as an Israeli. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Empty Bill helps out boys and girls! What Did Gandhi Do? One-sided pacifist. By David Lewis Schaefer In the weeks leading up to Operation Iraqi Freedom, American college campuses were plastered with posters asking What Would Gandhi Do? The implication, of course, was that the U.S. should emulate the tactics of the celebrated Hindu pacifist who successfully led the movement for Indian independence from Britain. The analogy, it should go without saying, overlooks major differences between the two cases. Whereas the 20th-century British were far too benign an imperial power to choose to slaughter peaceful resisters to their rule, there's no evidence that Saddam Hussein, already responsible for the massacre and torture of hundreds of thousands of his countrymen (to say nothing of the many more who died in his aggressive wars against Iran and Kuwait) would likewise have succumbed to friendly persuasion Jacques Chirac to the contrary notwithstanding. (It's not that we didn't try!) It is interesting, in this regard, to recall how Gandhi himself responded to the evil perpetrated by one of Saddam's role models, Adolf Hitler. In November, 1938, responding to Jewish pleas that he endorse the Zionist cause so as to persuade the British government to open Palestine to immigrants fleeing Hitler's persecution, Gandhi published an open letter flatly rejecting the request. While expressing the utmost sympathy with the Jews and lamenting their age-old persecution, Gandhi explained that the cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me, since Palestine belongs to the Arabs. Instead, he urged the Jews to make that country their home where they are born. To demand just treatment in the lands of their current residence while also demanding that Palestine be made their home, he argued, smacked of hypocrisy. Gandhi even went so far as to remark that this cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews. Of course, Gandhi added, the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in history, and if there ever could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against Germany, to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completely justified. Hitler's regime was showing the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism. Nonetheless, the Hindu leader rejected that notion, since I do not believe in any war. And for Britain, France, and America to declare war on Hitler's regime would bring them no inner joy, no inner strength. Having rejected both the plea that Palestine should be offered as a place of refuge for the Jews and the idea that the Western democracies should launch a war to overthrow Hitler, Gandhi offered only one avenue for the Jews to resist their persecution while preserving their self-respect. Were he a German Jew, Gandhi pronounced, he would challenge the Germans to shoot or imprison him rather than submit to discriminating treatment. Such voluntary suffering, practiced by all the Jews of Germany, would bring them, he promised, immeasurable inner strength and joy. Indeed, if the Jewish mind could be prepared for such suffering, even a massacre of all German Jews could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy, since to the God-fearing, death has no terror. According to Gandhi, it would (for unexplained reasons) be easier for the Jews than for the Czechs (then facing German occupation) to follow his prescription. As inspiration, he offered an exact parallel in the campaign for Indian civil rights in South Africa that he had led decades earlier. Through their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans Mainstream writes: Tremendous good could come from generously implementing the Principle of the Second Element, bringing light to counter darkness, and offering free TM instruction and free residence courses to the citizens of the post-Katrina plagued Gulf Coast. The TMO has conducted massive initiations elsewhere, and what better place to prove what good an organization can do? The Gulf Coast around New Orleans is atypical of the Southern U.S., and values a 'live and let live' approach to life, and could embrace TM for its simple yet profound stress-reducing effect. Much goodwill and organizational revitalization lie in wait for the TMO among the rubble created by Katrina. May the TMO bring relief directly to the traumatized souls, and by so doing, it may also revitalize itself, and perhaps regain relevance, in the U.S. Rick wrote: I can envision flocks of pigs, flying in formation over the big easy. Mr. Howard Settle, supporter of Invincible America, generates substantial revenue from oil production in or just off the coast of Louisiana, and has a business office in suburban New Orleans. Hopefully he can see the good and goodwill to be created by providing TM directly to the lives of the people and could fund the programs. Generous and successful persons generally want to maximize the effectiveness of their generosity. Invincible America nourishes the atmosphere of the country at large, and Free-TM Louisiana would individually and directly benefit individual people, and begin to regenerate a grass-roots appreciation of TM. A future for the TMO requires domestic support, created by individual experience. There is little future for the TMO if it continues to rely on bringing in hired- foreign-hands to generate coherence. Pigs with funding fly quite nicely. -Mainstream
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans Mr. Howard Settle, supporter of Invincible America, generates substantial revenue from oil production in or just off the coast of Louisiana, and has a business office in suburban New Orleans. Hopefully he can see the good and goodwill to be created by providing TM directly to the lives of the people and could fund the programs. Generous and successful persons generally want to maximize the effectiveness of their generosity. Invincible America nourishes the atmosphere of the country at large, and Free-TM Louisiana would individually and directly benefit individual people, and begin to regenerate a grass-roots appreciation of TM. A future for the TMO requires domestic support, created by individual experience. There is little future for the TMO if it continues to rely on bringing in hired- foreign-hands to generate coherence. Pigs with funding fly quite nicely. -Mainstream I think you have a good idea. If I were you’d I’d contact Howard if I knew how. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota - Now New Orleans
In a message dated 8/30/07 4:09:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Howard Settle, supporter of Invincible America, generates substantial revenue from oil production in or just off the coast of Louisiana, and has a business office in suburban New Orleans. Hopefully he can see the good and goodwill to be created by providing TM directly to the lives of the people and could fund the programs. Generous and successful persons generally want to maximize the effectiveness of their generosity. Invincible America nourishes the atmosphere of the country at large, and Free-TM Louisiana would individually and directly benefit individual people, and begin to regenerate a grass-roots appreciation of TM. A future for the TMO requires domestic support, created by individual experience. There is little future for the TMO if it continues to rely on bringing in hired- foreign-hands to generate coherence. Pigs with funding fly quite nicely. -Mainstream U, I think SSRS has already tried to offer help there. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[FairfieldLife] Clearing the confusion, Kundlaini path
About the confusion: I am not enlightened, so it would be not in the best interest to try to clear things up, only I can comment on my own experiences, observations, and then to some degree what ::they have to say. It was not long ago, that is was My Guru only which I took to be enlightened. The whole appeal to me in the first place was the simplicity of how it was explained, therefore, transmission came through in reading it, it literaly was the start of the change of consciousness. Something like ( because of my TM background) I thought the only way was with any Guru was secretiveness, confusing the disciples with answers that do not answer anything, like playing games with the disciples, - sort of like the Hollywood portrail of a Guru where you are not sure what they are trying to say- like they speek in such a complicated way, you cant understand them, then one thinks , wow, they must be great What a surprise this has been. And for the small group of disciples, there is no confusion- and for the enlightened in the group- they are not coached - yet the common ground is seen. This new disciple that is enlightened, one year ago, there was noithing in the way of spirituality in her life. I have seen the whole thing from begining to end. She had a spontaneous Kundalini awakening, came in with fear and panic, after some time , left in an outrage, with a very superficial understnading of what is- come back and took off like a rocket ship- all in one year These 3 are not speaking about enlightenment, they are speaking from it- there is no confusion. The message I gave, independantly, all 3 recognize it from their existence- it can be tested, then it would be seen that while not in communication with each other, that same essence is known- so there is this common denominator from which the understandings are there- no confusion- this is only on the part of the ones perceiving it There is not much that can be done about it, I can only say that it is simple and down to earth and there are 20 other fellow sadakas that are not confused by my comments My inspiration to do this, labeled so far as a parot, and preacher, is based on a new awesome existence. So I would repeat what i said, then if this is not clear, you can try going to my Guru, or the other 2 enlightened and have an exchange. Basically, what they have to say is there is no one to do something- it simply IS, then life flows. Consciousness knows what to do. there are no driving desires, is it a very natural state, no super state, and the 3 of them speak of the great mystery to it, and the cosmic joke. First thing Sarojini is doing is dealing with the laughter, which is on going. Since there is no do er, then if siddhis occur, this happens, but it is not from doing it, there are no desires for such things, no desires to know others thoughts, to have powers, to perform powers, etc- silly for me to tell you what they say, best is take them as am example- all 3 coming from similar backgrounds as all of us, Enlightenment is possible now, it is not too late, you are not too old- what an opportunity- the door is open, will you walk through it? Funny, I was thinking. If I said that it is the birthright of any human anywhere to have enlightenment, then it is not one is higher than another- for enlightenment is One, this would be quite accepted. If I said that it is also possible that a Guru can be from any country, any sort of human and also not be on a level as Guru is one- n, it has to be a male Indian or else not possible. It is non sense - Hollywood imagination New posts: Come find the Beauty life has to Offer Be a Great Existence - Dear Swami, Namaste and Om Namo Narayan- My name is Anthony, 0- Hello * I'm an Australian living and working as an English Teacher here in Taiwan. 0- OK - Nee How Ma. - what part of Taiwan are you in ? * I have been practising Yoga, mantra, pranayama etc for many years, and spent 2 yrs (96 - 98) in India, training in various disciplines. However, to date I seem unable to profoundly rouse the latent energies of kundalini. I realise that this may be the work of lifetimes anyway, but wonder whether diksha will make a difference in getting the process started. 0- Absolutely it will. 99.9 % of people being worked with here awaken Kundalini and they are all progressing quite well to Realization. One entered Realization within 5 years (it could have been done earlier if there was not a sticking point) and another rocketed to Realization in one year. Can say though that it is quite possible and also valuable to take Diksha and have Kundalini awakened in a balanced manner here. you can join my yahoo group and see the results and speak with those being worked with here as to their experiences etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swami-G Thanks for your time, Warm Regards, Anthony Maha Shanti OM Namaste and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
So how many of you inhabit you? Please explain. Message #146579 August 15th, 2007 - --- Tertonzeno wrote: --Thanks, I'm a Buddhist and don't accept Patanjali as an Authority. Message #145659 , August 16th, 2007 Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, on Buddhist practice, I'll get more into this later. I practice TM but my Buddhist Guru is Hsuan Hua; whom I used to visit during the 70's: Message #147828, August 30, 2007 - Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda). d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictyet, the whole and relationship between the parts remain Buddhist, not Hindu. There are certain advantages in Buddhism over Hinduism, but the core nature of the advantage(s) can't be addressed through the type of intellectual analysis going on in this forum. (not to put such analysis down, but it's limited, not entering into direct cognition of the Buddhist true entity, represented by the Gohonzon). ps. The foregoing is not intended to make sense. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how many of you inhabit you? Please explain. Message #146579 August 15th, 2007 - --- Tertonzeno wrote: --Thanks, I'm a Buddhist and don't accept Patanjali as an Authority. Message #145659 , August 16th, 2007 Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, on Buddhist practice, I'll get more into this later. I practice TM but my Buddhist Guru is Hsuan Hua; whom I used to visit during the 70's: Message #147828, August 30, 2007 - Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda). d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? Rick Archer wrote: I don't think he feels responsible for Muk's behavior. But Marshy gave the Mukta a public hug - that sort of indicates his approval. I wonder what the victims thought about that scene. Or are you saying that the Marshy didn't know about the Mukta's sexual proclivities. Jennifer received financial support for a while. So, she got paid off not to reveal anything, thus continuing in the deception as an enabler, if not a co-dependent. Or maybe at least an apology. Not that I know of. Maybe Marshy is still in denial. I wonder why the Doctors of Tantra that respond here don't try to help him with some counseling. Mukta is dead but I wonder what kind of sexual harassment policy they have at MUM. From what I've read, none, at least that applies to certain administrators. But it is interesting that there are at least five informers here that claim some kind of tantric status. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. Unethical *in the extreme* for a mental health professional to publically attempt a diagnosis of psychopathology via someone's posts on a Web forum, *especially* as a putdown. And that's what it was, a putdown. If Peter had been seriously concerned for the person's mental health, he could have communicated with him privately. This is utterly inexcusable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
---I agree, the facts - though limited in scope and circumstantial - point to obvious conclusions the tex. is in complete denial of. He's hopeless. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has the Marshy anyone ever offered to help in the rehabilitation of the women who suffered from the sexual predations of the Marshy or the Mukta? Rick Archer wrote: I don't think he feels responsible for Muk's behavior. But Marshy gave the Mukta a public hug - that sort of indicates his approval. I wonder what the victims thought about that scene. Or are you saying that the Marshy didn't know about the Mukta's sexual proclivities. Jennifer received financial support for a while. So, she got paid off not to reveal anything, thus continuing in the deception as an enabler, if not a co-dependent. Or maybe at least an apology. Not that I know of. Maybe Marshy is still in denial. I wonder why the Doctors of Tantra that respond here don't try to help him with some counseling. Mukta is dead but I wonder what kind of sexual harassment policy they have at MUM. From what I've read, none, at least that applies to certain administrators. But it is interesting that there are at least five informers here that claim some kind of tantric status. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--Not necessarily. If another person's behavior is perceived to be adharmic, a first course of action would be to assist the individual in crashing the behavior as a form of tough love. (enter for example, the destructive energy of Kali); followed by a softer form of love. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. Unethical *in the extreme* for a mental health professional to publically attempt a diagnosis of psychopathology via someone's posts on a Web forum, *especially* as a putdown. And that's what it was, a putdown. If Peter had been seriously concerned for the person's mental health, he could have communicated with him privately. This is utterly inexcusable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictsnip So, how many facets of the one hologram are there? Or if this is a number approaching infinity, what can you tell me please about the shape and construction of the hologram?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Not necessarily. It's unquestionably professionally unethical. If another person's behavior is perceived to be adharmic, a first course of action would be to assist the individual in crashing the behavior as a form of tough love. (enter for example, the destructive energy of Kali); followed by a softer form of love. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild psychosis. Unethical *in the extreme* for a mental health professional to publically attempt a diagnosis of psychopathology via someone's posts on a Web forum, *especially* as a putdown. And that's what it was, a putdown. If Peter had been seriously concerned for the person's mental health, he could have communicated with him privately. This is utterly inexcusable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--Thanks, Jim; I'm only replying, since you asked - I'm obligated to remain mum on the subject. First, the hologram in question (represented by the Gohonzon), is something relative, and be cognized but not through any Hindu Guru (they remain ignorant of the entity in question). It's a Buddhist Morphogenetic field. 2. It's not necessary to be Enlightened to cognize the entity or make use of it; but does require effort to participate in the entity as a process. One of the techniques involves listening to the chant of the Surangama mantra (over 800 verses). The forms are constantly changing and are infinite, but lest the vast array of forms boggle the mind, the entity itself offers a key which I call the targeting principle. For example, say you are traveling in the Himalayas and a god appears out of nowhere saying this is the infinite relative kingdom - it's all yours. This gift would be of limited value since there's too much information...too many choices. A possible strategy would be to ask the god: dear god, I can't pick and choose what's of value so you tell me. The god refuses, but says he/she will offer a secondary gift called the targeting principle that will enable the seeker to make better choices among the infinite arrays of facets. The entity in question - the morphogenetic field - was apparently invented by the Sakyamuni Buddha but he projected knowledge of the invention into the future through the assistance of Padma Sambhava and Nichiren. Shankara overlooked the entity. I have to take a break now and will get back to you later. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictsnip So, how many facets of the one hologram are there? Or if this is a number approaching infinity, what can you tell me please about the shape and construction of the hologram?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Thanks, Jim; I'm only replying, since you asked - I'm obligated to remain mum on the subject. First, the hologram in question (represented by the Gohonzon), is something relative, and be cognized but not through any Hindu Guru (they remain ignorant of the entity in question). It's a Buddhist Morphogenetic field. 2. It's not necessary to be Enlightened to cognize the entity or make use of it; but does require effort to participate in the entity as a process. One of the techniques involves listening to the chant of the Surangama mantra (over 800 verses). The forms are constantly changing and are infinite, but lest the vast array of forms boggle the mind, the entity itself offers a key which I call the targeting principle. For example, say you are traveling in the Himalayas and a god appears out of nowhere saying this is the infinite relative kingdom - it's all yours. This gift would be of limited value since there's too much information...too many choices. A possible strategy would be to ask the god: dear god, I can't pick and choose what's of value so you tell me. The god refuses, but says he/she will offer a secondary gift called the targeting principle that will enable the seeker to make better choices among the infinite arrays of facets. The entity in question - the morphogenetic field - was apparently invented by the Sakyamuni Buddha but he projected knowledge of the invention into the future through the assistance of Padma Sambhava and Nichiren. Shankara overlooked the entity. I have to take a break now and will get back to you later. Sounds like a fascinating and wonderful exploration! Thanks for sharing this.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the article. One of the reasons, I understand, why the German Jews didn't resist Hitler's plan of extermination was, from my own experience as a Jew in the US, is that assimilated Jews in the country that they are raised are more nationalistic than religious. I'm saying this is true for the majority of secular Jews, not orthodox, that inhabit a country over many generations. If you were to ask me, what are you? I would tell you, I am an American first and really have no feelings about being Jewish. This is the case for the majority of American Jews living in the US today. When I was living in Israel for 11 years, I noticed a strong nationalistic of their own country of origin by those who had immigrated from their home countries. Those born in Israel (Sabras) naturally felt Israeli nationalism, not as a Jew, (since Israel is predominately a secular state) but as an Israeli. It would be easier to look at it this way: Adolf Hitler and Mahatma Gandhi were polar opposites, with similar agendas. Hitler wanted to establish the Old Fatherland of Germany. Gandhi wanted to establish the Old Motherland of India. Same agenda. Polar opposite agendas: One method, the Gandhi Method, which has inspired other countless people throughout the world, including John Lennon and Martin Luther King,Jr. was God-like, 'in tune with the laws of nature, as Maharishi would say; higher consciousness, etc., transcendence of the ego for a higher cause. One the other hand the Hitler Method, relied on fear and prejiduce against the Jewish people. Hitler claimed the Jewish people had swindled the German masses into poverty, and from the results of the defeat of WWI, and the world-wide depression. Also, he was acting on the wave of anti-semitism, world-wide, also, which included the support from the likes of Henry Ford, Joe Kennedy, and many countries had no sympathy for the Jews; even the United States would not let the Jews escape to this country, very sad dark period... In which the German people as a whole population sank to the depths of depravity, death and demonic, murderous behavior. The Jews, allowed themselves to be decieved to think they could 'rise above' the SS.. and that this phase would pass. They didn't listen to the many signs: they were sleeping. In both cases the leaders relied on the nationalism of the people: In Germany it was to get the country back from the Jews. In India, it was to get the country back from the British. Same cause different means. The Black People in this country have had the fortune of having intelligent people of the white community on their side, to take their side, even if it meant a civil war. Lincoln, and others since then take the way of freedom and liberty. In certain circumstances where the government has been allowed to run amuck, and becomes a police state, dictatorship, with all the military power, etc. It becomes more and more difficult to produce quite the same effect, as in a democracy; For example, remember the guy standing in front of the Chinese tank, during the demonstrations in China; That was put down, and though change has occured in happens slowly. r.g.
