[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HP : Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or believeing that my Guru has brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a Guru who may be available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess. Nabby: Of course, if it was true. But since it is just a contradicting story from you it has 0, zero, nada value whatsoever. HP: if an enlightened Guru were available to work with you one to one that has brought people to enlightenment, and then this would be useful to you as you claim, then please let me know how it would be useful? It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long as you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. I did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with another guru, but could be for others if he/she was enlightened. I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your guru whatsoever. She comes through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is still a seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people to enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses the need for the enlightened to study written material and keep coming to meetings to not reroot as you say. Her claims are not real but fantasies, as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people enlightened. Fantasies. I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like MMY, Muktananda and others. Praise your guru if you like, but it makes you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you understand these Masters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 8:52:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. *** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: Problem is, it's obvious he hasn't been able to manage it at all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have the weight problem he has. Gastric by pass isn't near as risky as some would have you believe. Death from the surgery is down to less than one in a hundred and most of those that die are the super morbidly obese, 500 pounds and higher with horrible co-morbidities. In other words people who are on death's door anyway. There are plenty of surgeons all over the country that are specializing in this surgery now. I had it done on May 22nd and have lost over 80 pounds since and am off all medications I needed before, blood pressure, cholesterol,,joint pain medication and off the C-pap. I have much more energy, sleep better, no back or joint pain and on top of that my meditations have been much better since. But... it's a decision that only he can make and if he ever asked me I would encourage him to research it and talk to Doctors who specialize in it and also talk with several people who have had it done. It will change his life for sure. Congrats on your success with the procedure. It sounds as though you have optimism of the sort that occurs only a few times in life, when a major change for the better presents new opportunities and sheds old baggage, if you don't mind the pun. Hang in there; I, and I'm confident others here, are happy for you and wish you continued and stabilized progress. (Bliss Ninny Buster Alert - change of tone about to occur - from sincerity to sarcasm ) MDixon, if you could just stop eating the line of BS the GWB admin has been feeding you, you could make some real progress ;-D -Mainstream
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
In a message dated 10/4/07 11:12:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He can't do it. Otherwise he would have by now. It requires too much discipline and a struggle with a lot of *inner demons*. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 11:12:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He can't do it. Otherwise he would have by now. It requires too much discipline and a struggle with a lot of *inner demons*. Memory of Bevan, way back, 27 years ago, Sept., '80 - MIU dining hall - a few days before or after he became MIU President, and before Kingsley Brooks as Bevan's assistant became attached at the hip to Bevan - before Bevan had an entourage. Late in the lunch hour, with about 1/4 of the diners remaining in the hall, Bevan sat down alone, at the far end of the dining hall, facing the diners. From half-way across the dining hall, my attention to my own meal was distracted by the rapid pace with which he, Bevan, shoveled large gobs of corn and rice into his face. It wasn't that he was in a general hurry, but a specific hurry to devour the food.
[FairfieldLife] KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
The first book of YS is called 'samaadhi-paada'.
The second suutra goes like:
yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH
In his 'yoga-suutra-bhaaSya', KRSNa-dvaipaayana (sp?; aka
BaadaraayaNa,
Veda-vyaasa) equates(?) yoga with samaadhi:
yogaH samaadhiH (yoga [is] samaadhi)
The word 'samaadhi' appears in the samaadhi-paada only
in I 20, I 46 and I 51, that is only three times. Elsewhere,
where one would expect it, it is implied (understood, whatever...).
One of the suutras where the word 'samaadhi' apparently is implied,
is
I 17, which seems to define(?) 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi':
vitarkavicaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat saMprajñaataH .. 17..
(sandhi-vigraha: vitarka-vicaara + aananda + asmitaa + ruupa +
anugamaat saMprajñaataH; not all editions have the word 'ruupa'(?`).
In principle the word could also be 'aruupa', or even 'aaruupa'.
The sandhi would be exactly the same, so one would just have
to know what is the correct alternative...)
Swamij's translation:
1.17 The deep absorption of attention on an object is of four kinds,
1) gross (vitarka), 2) subtle (vichara), 3) bliss accompanied
(ananda), and 4) with I-ness (asmita), and is called samprajnata
samadhi.
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
Here Patañjali seems to call 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi' simply
'the other' (anyaH), as opposed to 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi'.
Why he doing that is from my POV anybody's guess,
but had he used the word 'asaMprajñaata', it would have
with that word order become, by the rules of sandhi, 'saMprajñaataH'!
(...saMskaarasheSo 'saMprajñaataH', exactly as 'anyaH' becomes
truncated to 'nyaH'.)
I have no idea whether the possible melodic accent would
make '(a)samprajñaataH' with the mute negative prefix
distinguishable from 'saMprajñaataH', but in classical
Sanskrit, to which the suutras IMU belong, the melodic accents are
not indicated as they are in Vedic Sanskrit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He needs a balance of healthy fats, protein, and carbohydrates. His problem is he's been on the movement's no-protein diet for too many years. Give him the same poor diet, but less of it, and he'll just join the myriad number of late sidhas whos bodies gave up in their 40s and 50s. --- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 8:52:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a message dated 10/3/07 10:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years, is a sign of some real mental health issues, and he's not the only looney tunes in the TM mgmt lineup. I think it's important to give these guys a reality check once in a while in the middle of that non-stop we are the masters of the universe song and dance, which will be true some day, but certainly not today. He really aught to look into Gastric by pass, seriously. I can only imagine the number of co-morbidities he has. *** As bad as his overeating problem is, I think he should manage it in an ayurvedic way. Gastric bypass is dangerous -- although studies vary in estimating the risk, this link claims 1 in 50 people die within a year after bypass, and it's worse if the surgeon is not hightly experienced: Problem is, it's obvious he hasn't been able to manage it at all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have the weight problem he has. Gastric by pass isn't near as risky as some would have you believe. Death from the surgery is down to less than one in a hundred and most of those that die are the super morbidly obese, 500 pounds and higher with horrible co-morbidities. In other words people who are on death's door anyway. There are plenty of surgeons all over the country that are specializing in this surgery now. I had it done on May 22nd and have lost over 80 pounds since and am off all medications I needed before, blood pressure, cholesterol,,joint pain medication and off the C-pap. I have much more energy, sleep better, no back or joint pain and on top of that my meditations have been much better since. But... it's a decision that only he can make and if he ever asked me I would encourage him to research it and talk to Doctors who specialize in it and also talk with several people who have had it done. It will change his life for sure. ** I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long as you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. HP: Well Nabby, we know in advance that there is not going to be a discussion between us did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with another guru, but could be for others if he/she was enlightened. HP: cant figure out what you mean here. Your comment indicated that if my Guru were enlightened meeting the criteria you have, then it would be of value to you. I am answering that as long as you have a Guru and you are on that path, then weather some other guru is or is not enlightened has no impact for you since you already have your Gur and your path. That was my point. Therefore weather you believe that my guru is a seeker not enlightened or if you believe that my Guru is enlightened, either way, it is not going to mean anything or have anything to do with your life. I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your guru whatsoever. HP: You would only need to have trust in my Guru is you were a disciple, since you are not, it makes zero difference weather you have trust in her or not. Also whatever writtings coming from my Guru, it would not make sense for you to read them She comes through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is still a seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people to enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses the need for the enlightened to study written material and keep coming to meetings to not reroot as you say. HP: In this path, there are no meetings, and no studying. For those interested in a path, then it is advised here that they both be with the Guru and also the disciples. So, these people are available to talk with, the phone numbers of my Guru and these enlightened disciples are available for sincere seekers, also they can meet them in person. What happens then is the book descriptions of what the enlightened are and are not will be challenged. They will never match and it is never going to be what you thought it was, this applies to meeting enlightenment and also the unfoldment of enlightenment for each one. Her claims are not real but fantasies, HP : You have the right to believe what you like as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people enlightened. Fantasies. HP: You misunderstood this as it is not a claim of my guru- Kalki has nothing to do with the path here I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like MMY, Muktananda and others. HP: I will make comparisons, then one can decide if that makes sense for them of not. There was a guy a few weeks ago who is from TM but his thinking was that it was not the right path for him, he was then going to go to Kalki. I ran into him, pointed out that I benefitted from TM, but then went on to point out what is not there, also what is not at Kalki's , that is here in my path. This is a negative thing for people to hear for those in the path that I am saying has something lacking, so those happy in those paths should not read or listen to what I have to say maybe- up to them Praise your guru if you like, but it makes you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you understand these Masters. HP: Again, I dont care how I look or what people think. I am not trying to recruit the masses. One disciple wrote in to my Guru first time and asked can I be your disciple, the answer was - are you ready to go through hell first? This is the kundalini path, ego candy is not handed out, prior to enlightenment, things may be very difficult and no one here is saying it is going to be easy, it is not. If I were looking to recruit, then there would be a very different presentation and methodology for that. It would be geared for all the things that look appealing these days. The big organizations have these things or else they wouldn't be big. They do and present things which look good. In my path, one may have to go through hell first- so which looks better? Hridaya
Re: [FairfieldLife] KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , an d stuff. Part I
On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:17 AM, cardemaister wrote:
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
sam: well, proper, deep, harmonized, balanced, holistic
pra: forth, expansive, perfect, complete
jna: knowing
Therefore: the samadhi in which wisdom (prajna) comes to it's most
harmonized, perfect expansion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:17 AM, cardemaister wrote:
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness
KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
sam: well, proper, deep, harmonized, balanced, holistic
pra: forth, expansive, perfect, complete
jna: knowing
Therefore: the samadhi in which wisdom (prajna) comes to it's
most
harmonized, perfect expansion.
Hmmm...nice! But what is 'a-saMprajñaata'(not-saMprajñaata?) then?
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long as you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. HP: Well Nabby, we know in advance that there is not going to be a discussion between us did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with another guru, but could be for others if he/she was enlightened. HP: cant figure out what you mean here. Your comment indicated that if my Guru were enlightened meeting the criteria you have, then it would be of value to you. I am answering that as long as you have a Guru and you are on that path, then weather some other guru is or is not enlightened has no impact for you since you already have your Gur and your path. That was my point. Therefore weather you believe that my guru is a seeker not enlightened or if you believe that my Guru is enlightened, either way, it is not going to mean anything or have anything to do with your life. I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your guru whatsoever. HP: You would only need to have trust in my Guru is you were a disciple, since you are not, it makes zero difference weather you have trust in her or not. Also whatever writtings coming from my Guru, it would not make sense for you to read them She comes through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is still a seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people to enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses the need for the enlightened to study written material and keep coming to meetings to not reroot as you say. HP: In this path, there are no meetings, and no studying. For those interested in a path, then it is advised here that they both be with the Guru and also the disciples. So, these people are available to talk with, the phone numbers of my Guru and these enlightened disciples are available for sincere seekers, also they can meet them in person. What happens then is the book descriptions of what the enlightened are and are not will be challenged. They will never match and it is never going to be what you thought it was, this applies to meeting enlightenment and also the unfoldment of enlightenment for each one. Her claims are not real but fantasies, HP : You have the right to believe what you like as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people enlightened. Fantasies. HP: You misunderstood this as it is not a claim of my guru- Kalki has nothing to do with the path here I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like MMY, Muktananda and others. HP: I will make comparisons, then one can decide if that makes sense for them of not. There was a guy a few weeks ago who is from TM but his thinking was that it was not the right path for him, he was then going to go to Kalki. I ran into him, pointed out that I benefitted from TM, but then went on to point out what is not there, also what is not at Kalki's , that is here in my path. This is a negative thing for people to hear for those in the path that I am saying has something lacking, so those happy in those paths should not read or listen to what I have to say maybe- up to them Praise your guru if you like, but it makes you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you understand these Masters. HP: Again, I dont care how I look or what people think. I am not trying to recruit the masses. One disciple wrote in to my Guru first time and asked can I be your disciple, the answer was - are you ready to go through hell first? This is the kundalini path, ego candy is not handed out, prior to enlightenment, things may be very difficult and no one here is saying it is going to be easy, it is not. If I were looking to recruit, then there would be a very different presentation and methodology for that. It would be geared for all the things that look appealing these days. The big organizations have these things or else they wouldn't be big. They do and present things which look good. In my path, one may have to go through hell first- so which looks better? Better would be to stabilize your nervoussystem before you flip out completely. Get a job.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:49 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:17 AM, cardemaister wrote:
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness
KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
sam: well, proper, deep, harmonized, balanced, holistic
pra: forth, expansive, perfect, complete
jna: knowing
Therefore: the samadhi in which wisdom (prajna) comes to it's
most
harmonized, perfect expansion.
Hmmm...nice! But what is 'a-saMprajñaata'(not-saMprajñaata?) then?
The samadhi of not = nirodha or nir-bija. The samprajnata of a,
i.e. the letter which has no support (alambana) [or modification by
the tongue]. Therefore: the samadhi of no support .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:56 AM, cardemaister wrote: Whoa! That's interesting! Never thought 'a-saMprajñaata' could be a tatpuruSa-samaasa... :0 But I should've! As I recall it, according to Maharishi 'akSara' is *also* 'kSara of a(-sound)'. I guess... The Sanskrit letter a has much practical meaning in inner yoga, so it's not unusual to see many ideas linked to this sound or it's shape in certain alphabets. For example, in the Sanskritized Tibetan alphabet is resembles a Garuda arising, full-born, from it's shell, and symbolizing the inherent non-dual state without supports, spontaneously present.
[FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
Card,
I am always so impressed with your scholarship. Not knowing hardly
anything at all, I would be easy to impress, but I do think you're
purdy good at Sanskrit.
That said, how's 'bout you also include a purport section after you
translate. I'd like to see how you sum up, in American the meaning
of the passages.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first book of YS is called 'samaadhi-paada'.
The second suutra goes like:
yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH
In his 'yoga-suutra-bhaaSya', KRSNa-dvaipaayana (sp?; aka
BaadaraayaNa,
Veda-vyaasa) equates(?) yoga with samaadhi:
yogaH samaadhiH (yoga [is] samaadhi)
The word 'samaadhi' appears in the samaadhi-paada only
in I 20, I 46 and I 51, that is only three times. Elsewhere,
where one would expect it, it is implied (understood, whatever...).
One of the suutras where the word 'samaadhi' apparently is implied,
is
I 17, which seems to define(?) 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi':
vitarkavicaaraanandaasmitaaruupaanugamaat saMprajñaataH .. 17..
(sandhi-vigraha: vitarka-vicaara + aananda + asmitaa + ruupa +
anugamaat saMprajñaataH; not all editions have the word 'ruupa'(?`).
In principle the word could also be 'aruupa', or even 'aaruupa'.
The sandhi would be exactly the same, so one would just have
to know what is the correct alternative...)
Swamij's translation:
1.17 The deep absorption of attention on an object is of four kinds,
1) gross (vitarka), 2) subtle (vichara), 3) bliss accompanied
(ananda), and 4) with I-ness (asmita), and is called samprajnata
samadhi.
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
Here Patañjali seems to call 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi' simply
'the other' (anyaH), as opposed to 'saMprajñaata-samaadhi'.
Why he doing that is from my POV anybody's guess,
but had he used the word 'asaMprajñaata', it would have
with that word order become, by the rules of sandhi, 'saMprajñaataH'!
(...saMskaarasheSo 'saMprajñaataH', exactly as 'anyaH' becomes
truncated to 'nyaH'.)
I have no idea whether the possible melodic accent would
make '(a)samprajñaataH' with the mute negative prefix
distinguishable from 'saMprajñaataH', but in classical
Sanskrit, to which the suutras IMU belong, the melodic accents are
not indicated as they are in Vedic Sanskrit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq, I think you're a predator (So, the magic of young women...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am vastly disappointed that you flame others when you find yourself in a corner. After I noted your marauding attitude, you went nutzoid in denial. I think I've pulled your guilt trigger, eh? You pressed my Boredom Button. You still do, so this is as far as I'm going to bother to read in your post. As I said before, you simply don't have the authority or credibility to preach to me or anyone else. You're the one who's having problems relating to your only slightly younger ladyfriend, not me. Learn that you don't have neither the charisma nor the right to preach to *anyone* and I'll start reading your posts again. Keep this up and you're in the same box with Willytex.
[FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:49 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:17 AM, cardemaister wrote:
According to dictionaries, the word 'saMprajñaata' means e.g:
samprajJAta mfn. distinguished , discerned , known accurately
Yogas. ;
%{-yogin} m. a Yogin who is still in a state of consciousness
KapS.
The next suutra seems to define(?) 'asaMprajñaata-samaadhi':
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH .. 18..
(viraama-pratyaya + abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH)
sam: well, proper, deep, harmonized, balanced, holistic
pra: forth, expansive, perfect, complete
jna: knowing
Therefore: the samadhi in which wisdom (prajna) comes to it's
most
harmonized, perfect expansion.
Hmmm...nice! But what is 'a-saMprajñaata'(not-saMprajñaata?)
then?
The samadhi of not = nirodha or nir-bija. The samprajnata
of a,
i.e. the letter which has no support (alambana) [or modification
by
the tongue]. Therefore: the samadhi of no support .
Whoa! That's interesting! Never thought 'a-saMprajñaata' could
be a tatpuruSa-samaasa... :0
But I should've! As I recall it, according to Maharishi 'akSara'
is *also* 'kSara of a(-sound)'. I guess...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
Bevan used to be slender. What he needs now is a simple surgery procedure called removing spoon from mouth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 11:12:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He can't do it. Otherwise he would have by now. It requires too much discipline and a struggle with a lot of *inner demons*. Memory of Bevan, way back, 27 years ago, Sept., '80 - MIU dining hall - a few days before or after he became MIU President, and before Kingsley Brooks as Bevan's assistant became attached at the hip to Bevan - before Bevan had an entourage. Late in the lunch hour, with about 1/4 of the diners remaining in the hall, Bevan sat down alone, at the far end of the dining hall, facing the diners. From half-way across the dining hall, my attention to my own meal was distracted by the rapid pace with which he, Bevan, shoveled large gobs of corn and rice into his face. It wasn't that he was in a general hurry, but a specific hurry to devour the food.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marauding Men and the Myth of an Independent Woman
Ok, If I might chime in. I once had a parakeet that lived 15 years. That's a very long time for a parakeet. Well, when he was about eight years of age, his partner died, and I could see him go into a huge depression. So, I decided to get him a new partner. My concern was that if I got him a young, chipper friend, he might get exhausted. When I asked the breeder about that she said that when you pair a young parakeet with an old parakeet it revives them. As it turned out this was very true. He became active, motivated and happy again. I think people are like that too. Often older people become grumpy, quiet loners. Interacting with young people can revive an older person's spirit. This of course, does not mean I think people should disrespect the values of the society within which they find themselves or behave in a predatory manner, it's just an observation of the effect of youth on an older person. When it comes to two adults, their age difference is not really any of my personal business. I have seen many vast age differences in my travels around the world. It's not uncommon at all in Asia. I think the idea that age differences always represents a lack of emotional maturity of the older party, whilst sometimes true, is a very broad generalization. It often appears like the older man is exploiting a younger adult, but on close examination, it can be that the younger female (or male) is using the older person for security. So it's sort of a trade off. When I first saw this behavior, I used to exercise my grandiose and very judgmental American perspective on it, but now I realize that there are many types of culturally-sanctioned diverse relationships that are acceptable around the world. So I tend to keep my nose out of it (unless minors are involved.) I have seen true love with large age differences and that is a wonderful thing indeed!
[FairfieldLife] Re: KT: On 'asaMprajñaata' , and stuff. Part I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Card, I am always so impressed with your scholarship. Not knowing hardly anything at all, I would be easy to impress, but I do think you're purdy good at Sanskrit. That said, how's 'bout you also include a purport section after you translate. I'd like to see how you sum up, in American the meaning of the passages. Edg Thanks, but I'm actually not very good at translating Sanskrit, mainly because my vocabulary is so deplorably scarce. It's kinda ironic that even my vocabulary in my native language (Finnish) is IMO rather limited. I dare to say I'm quite good at analyzing linguistic structures, though. That's a great asset in case of languages like Sanskrit, with lots of inflections, and stuff. OTOH, one thing that makes Classical Sanskrit rather demanding is the use of sometimes huge compound words. Unless you know what type of compound the writer has had in mind, it's often next to impossible to decide what s/he's up to, especially if one is not that familiar with the subject matter. The syntactic hierarchy inside a compound can in many cases be anybody's guess, so to speak. That's how I feel, at least.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq, I think you're a predator (So, the magic of young women...)
On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:11 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I enjoy reading your posts but I gotta say, I was vastly disappointed in this one. It had nothing to do with what Turq wrote, or the sentiments he expressed. It was all your stuff, an unpleasant, judgmental rant, attempting to make your own personal life choices the right way to be. You nailed it, Curtis. When I read the first of Edg's many rants on Barry's cheatin' ways, I thought it was a parody. Wow, Edg sure knows how to write good satire! was my first reaction. And then when I realized he was actually serious, I couldn't believe it. take this attitude merely a step more towards evil,and you've got a pedophile saying his targets love the sensual intimacy and that that pleasure is enough to justify rape. This reference was a deceptive dirty trick and reveals a profound lack of understanding of this crime. It was inappropriately applied as a shame tactic. Putting his behavior on an imaginary continuum of sex crimes was unjustified and ugly. That 25 year old barmaid could be had by just about anyone who targeted her with the right tools -- lies and money would do for starters. This line drips with condescension toward young women Bingo. Edg must be reading from the same manual as Rick about how damsels in distress need rescuing from relationships of their own choosing. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq, I think you're a predator (So, the magic of young women...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reread the original post about a guy enjoying a conversation in a bar with two attractive young persons. The dark place you dragged a nice story sharing an experience is creepy man. Thanks for getting it, Curtis. I'm trying to stay out of this particular meltdown, but your two sentences above just *nail* the level of disappointment...and shock...that I feel that anyone could interpret my story of a nice conversation...and nothing more...into the gutter of his mind and roll it around in shit and turn it into some kind of perversion. It just reminds me that I live on a DOS planet, and that I shouldn't be surprised by much of anything that goes down here.
[FairfieldLife] Crime in FF
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:32 PM To: David Orme-Johnson Subject: Dear All, Here is a reply to the allegation found on a website that Fairfield crime increased in the 1990s, and that Fairfield is a high crime area. I will be putting this on TruthAboutTM.com. All the best, David -- Fairfield/Jefferson County 1991-1998 Crime Statistics David W. Orme-Johnson, PhD No Increase in Crime Rate in Fairfield in the 1990s. An anti-TM website presents crime data for Jefferson County Iowa for 1991-1998, claiming that the data show “an overall increase in crime,” which the website presents as evidence that the Maharishi Effect does not work. But the data do not show an increase in crime rate. Here is the data presented on the website.* Year 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 Jefferson Co. Population** 16515 16515 16513 16600 16933 16933 16992 17080 Number Group A crimes 1008 1071 1154 1081 1091 1041 994 1067 Group A crimes/100,000 6104 6485 6988 6512 6443 6148 5850 6247 * HYPERLINK http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm; http://www.behind-the-tm-facade.org/maharishi_effect-mdefect-fairfield.htm ** Note: The data is for Jefferson County, not for Fairfield, as presented on the website. Fairfield’s population is about 60% of Jefferson County. Here is graph of the same data. It does not show an “overall crime increase for the period”, as the website proclaims. Instead, it shows a basically flat crime rate trend from 1991 to 1998. Formal regression analysis supports this perception. If anything there is a negative slope of decreasing crime (beta = -.40) from 1991 to 1998. This, however, is not statistically significant (F1,6 = 1.18, p .32), and the non-significant slope just indicates that the crime trend over the period is essentially flat, showing that there was not an increase in crime in Jefferson County in the 1990s. The “evidence” for “increasing crime rate” presented by the website is completely misleading. The website says that the average crime rate from 1991-1991 (6347.1) was higher than the rate in 1991 (6103.5). But it can be seen from the graph above, and from the regression analysis that this does not indicate an increase in crime trend. In fact, the crime rate in 1997 (5850) was lower than in 1991. Fairfield is one of the safest towns in the USA. The website further alleges that Fairfield is place with a lot of crime. On the contrary, a comparison of the violent crime rate in Fairfield from 1991-1998 shows that Fairfield’s crime rate was 34% lower than other comparable small US towns under 10,000 population. Moreover, the rate of violent crime in Fairfield is dramatically less than larger US cities-- 38% to 85% less. In fact, before 1974 when Maharishi University of Management was established in Fairfield, Fairfield’s rate of violent crime was similar to the mean of small US towns under 10,000. However, in the 30 years from 1975 to 2005 since M.U.M has been in Fairfield, the city’s violent crime rate has been lower than the mean of other small towns 90% of the time, indicating a consistent record of being one of the safest cities in America. Data for US cities are from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, HYPERLINK http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htmhttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm. Data for Fairfield are courtesy of the Uniform Crime Reports Communications Unit staff, Washington D.C. The error bars are standard errors of the mean. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D. HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.truthabouttm.com/www.TruthAboutTM.com HYPERLINK http://www.seagroveartist.com/www.SeagroveArtist.com 191 Dalton Dr. Seagrove Beach, FL 32459 850-231-2866 850-231-5012 Fax No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.1/1050 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 5:03 PM image003.gifimage004.gif
[FairfieldLife] The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The movie I'm most looking forward to seeing when I can get my hands on a copy is The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. I've heard that Brad Pitt is tremendous in it, but that's not really why I want to see it. I want to see it because I have this thing for outlaws. In that sense -- even though I'm an expatriate -- I am an American to the core. I grew up an American, and in that psychic environment you really can't help but be conditioned by the mythic images of outlaws flitting across your TV and movie screens, and into your dreams. American heroes tend to *be* outlaws, in a way that you see in few other cultures. And the conditioning took. The outlaw became my role model at a very early age. While other kids grew up wanting to be Hopalong Cassidy or Roy Rogers, I wanted to be Jesse James. And damn! if I didn't pull it off. I've lived outside the law for most of my life. Social law, natural law, the laws that my spiritual teachers wanted me to live by...law, period. Like Jesse James, I really didn't do it with the intent *of* living outside the law; it just sorta happened. But it *did* happen, and it got me here, and now, and y'know I'm not all that displeased with here, or now, or me. So I kinda identify with screen outlaws. My favorite TV series is still Firefly. For those of you who haven't seen it, its plot has been synopsized -- and accurately -- by critics as, Outlaws in space. Duh...that's why I like it. It's a bunch of misfits (in every sense of the word, because they come from all spectrums of society, and not one of them 'fits in' to that spectrum or that society) who have adventures while roaming the frontier, both of the universe and of life itself. They take *risks*. And damn! if they don't get away with them. Mal and his crew are my idea of a good time. Cruising through space in search of adventure, never sure from one day to the next if they'll have enough money to keep on having adventures. And laughing a *lot* along the Way. They may be misfits, but they can *laugh*, man. And in my opinion that's a far more valuable and meaningful siddhi that being able to levitate. What my idea of a good time is NOT is many of the things that have been said about me on this forum lately. It's really a bit of a mindfuck to read some of the things that have been projected onto me and my life- style lately. I really don't quite know what to make of them. The ideas people have about who I am and what I do for fun just fuckin' boggle my mind. I keep forgetting that TMers, and followers of many other spiritual trips, have really never studied Fun As A Spiritual Path. We did, with Rama. One of the things I really got from studying with him is that fun is what being in synch with the Tao *feels* like. Fun is not a bad thing; fun is the universe telling you that you're doing something right. I honestly believe that this statement is as close to a spiritual truth as I have run into on this planet. If it is true -- and I don't know that it is -- I must be something right with my outlaw lifestyle. And if a few people take potshots at me from time to time *because* I seem to be having far too much fun for someone who wantonly disregards all the rules that they hold sacred...well...that kinda goes with the territory of being an outlaw, doesn't it? But you really can't let the potshots make you afraid to go out of the house, can you? So after I write this I'm going to go over to the same bar I wrote about here earlier, where I met the two wonderful young women from Cape Breton. And I might meet them again, and have another wonderful conversation with them. And even if they're not there, I know from my last visit that there is an interesting-looking poker game going on much of the time at a corner table. I might just ask if I can sit in. A good poker game would be fun. But unlike my old pal Bill Hickock, I'm going to wait for an empty seat against the wall before I ask. I'm not going to sit with my back exposed, at least not tonight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a few pounds overweight is one thing, but to be morbidly obese, like Bevan has been for many years... He's risking diabetes, blindness, heart failure etc etc, if he hasn't got some of them already. Also, he should realise that he is not a good advertisement for the undoubted benefits of our transcontinental medication. Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/07 11:12:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... He can't do it. Otherwise he would have by now. It requires too much discipline and a struggle with a lot of *inner demons*. ** And outer demons, too. I've met many TM/MUM officials and they're pretty creepy people for the most part, so Bevan is not only representative of that low life, but constrained and surrounded by it in every way, that makes his breaking out of bad habits unlikely until the pundits free up his atmosphere by creating a more evolution- and-happiness- friendly environment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ALEX, is this Real.??
Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, sir Alex, could you tell me if this is REAL..?? http://www.bio.net/hypermail/biomatrx/2001-June/001279.html I did a Google search, and that is an actual product being sold. So, in that sense, it is real. Does such a product actually work? I seriously doubt it. Wanna lose weight? Lower your caloric intake. Out of curiosity, have you ever had a weight problem?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan I'm glad it worked out for you, and your health has greatly improved. I guess as a last resort Bevan could go under the knife, but I would prefer to see him locked in his room and handed 1500 calories of rice and dahl a day... When I was on Purusha at MIU back in the early 80’s, I went to Bevan’s apartment a few times to help serve at his dinner parties. He and his guests ate very rich foods, which is why I went, because I got to gnosh some back in the kitchen. I’ve heard that he eats that way routinely. He has always had a well stocked larder. According to ayurveda his body is trying to slow him down by making him eat that way. It's sort of a natural reaction. Obesity is acquired kapha. It does not mean that the person has a kapha imbalance. Excess weight can be put on by nervous eating due to excess vata (eating to calm down), excess pitta (excessive appetite) and kapha due to a sluggish metabolism. And also I think a lot of boomers trying to avoid hypoglycemia which was very epidemic in this movement especially in the 1970s will tend to overeat to avoid it. It is very, very difficult to lose weight especially as you get older. It is not just a simple matter of reducing calories. Some people when they do that just slow down and burn less calories resulting in no weight loss. Science has pretty much validated excess carbohydrates can make one more hungry. This is the Chinese food effect where you feel hungry again two hours later. And people with actual slower metabolisms may have never experienced this effect. The other thing that makes this complex is that a practitioner can put you on a diet and in as little as a few days or weeks your body will flip where another kind of diet may be needed. So you need a counselor who is going to be on top of this and modify your program when things change. A good example of this is with low carb diets where after a few weeks the person hits a brick wall and stops losing weight. Most experts on this kind of dieting may suggest actually adding carbs back in at that point as that is when the body has changed. And as I have already mentioned, Bevan being a big guy, is probably not set up to be a vegetarian. Hence his body also consumes more trying to find the nutrients that might be more easily found in a non-vegetarian diet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was on Purusha at MIU back in the early 80's, I went to Bevan's apartment a few times to help serve at his dinner parties. He and his guests ate very rich foods, which is why I went, because I got to gnosh some back in the kitchen. I've heard that he eats that way routinely. He has always had a well stocked larder. I have heard that Bevan is also the recipient of many care packages from friends (mostly women) who like to bake brownies and cookies for him, put them in tins and boxes, and mail them off to wherever he may be. Bevan was extremely atrractive back in the 70's - nicely built, dark eyes and hair, and very warm and engaging. Smart and kind, with a good sense of humor.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Turq, I think you're a predator
I empathize with all three of you guys. Did you read where Edg wrote about his younger sister who at the age of 15 got seduced to run off with an older man and marry him, a move that virtually wrecked her life? I think Edg's strong feelings on this subject probably come from there. You aren't a predator, Turq. Edg got carried way, as happens when we carry old wounds that current events remind us of. We see the enemy sometimes in our friends. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reread the original post about a guy enjoying a conversation in a bar with two attractive young persons. The dark place you dragged a nice story sharing an experience is creepy man. Thanks for getting it, Curtis. I'm trying to stay out of this particular meltdown, but your two sentences above just *nail* the level of disappointment...and shock...that I feel that anyone could interpret my story of a nice conversation...and nothing more...into the gutter of his mind and roll it around in shit and turn it into some kind of perversion. It just reminds me that I live on a DOS planet, and that I shouldn't be surprised by much of anything that goes down here. - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
[FairfieldLife] P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
snip Bingo. Edg must be reading from the same manual as Rick about how damsels in distress need rescuing from relationships of their own choosing. Sal Bronte writes; I meant to add in my other post that I am with Edg on his desire to protect young girls from the dangers. No, Sal, they aren't always relationships of their own choosing. A lot of what Edg said was right on. If more men took his attitude, innocense would be much safer in this world. He just went too far in calling telling Turq he was a predator. Another thought on all this. Edg sings the joys of being really intimate with one person while others extol the fun of one-night-stands. Maybe what's right for one isn't what right's for another person -- different needs from relationships, sex, etc. It's great to share one's perspective on how great life is on one's own side of the track, but when we start to think the folks living on the other side of the track are just plain wrong, it's hard to learn from each other anymore. Because then communication stops, and we can't benefit then from the other person's vastly different perspective. I'm much more like Edg than like Barry in what I value in relationships, but I'm fascinated reading what Barry, Curtis and others have written about their radically different ways (from mine) of doing, learning and experiencing in such matters. I'm seeing some goodness where before I saw only things I didn't understand or judged. Their wrtings have opened my mind to a greater understanding, and for that I'm grateful. - Bronte - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ALEX, is this Real.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Hey, sir Alex, could you tell me if this is REAL..?? http://www.bio.net/hypermail/biomatrx/2001-June/001279.html I did a Google search, and that is an actual product being sold. So, in that sense, it is real. Does such a product actually work? I seriously doubt it. Wanna lose weight? Lower your caloric intake. Out of curiosity, have you ever had a weight problem? Yes. Technically, not to the point of obesity (BMI was just under 24), but back in 2003, I was muscularly scrawny with 30 pounds of extra fat. I'd lay on my side in bed, and there'd be a puddle of flab flowing out from my stomach. I cut the excessive carbs from my diet and lost 30 pounds in about 5 months. Since then, I've packed on about 25 pounds of muscle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news for Bevan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: When I was on Purusha at MIU back in the early 80's, I went to Bevan's apartment a few times to help serve at his dinner parties. He and his guests ate very rich foods, which is why I went, because I got to gnosh some back in the kitchen. I've heard that he eats that way routinely. He has always had a well stocked larder. I have heard that Bevan is also the recipient of many care packages from friends (mostly women) who like to bake brownies and cookies for him, put them in tins and boxes, and mail them off to wherever he may be. Bevan was extremely atrractive back in the 70's - nicely built, dark eyes and hair, and very warm and engaging. Smart and kind, with a good sense of humor. * People express unhappiness with their lives in many ways, mostly not as obvious as Bevan's stress reaction of overeating. No happy person pounds food in their face, but that does not mean that Bevan is the only unhappy bureaucrat in TMville.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pushing Pushing Daisies
Nice color enhancement. Are you responsible for that too? Its a new box called the Luster. The DP, Michael Weaver locked ourselves in a bay for 18 hours played around. We were adding shadows on walls, changing the specific colors, and hiding face blemishes. Its amazing. I think they used it on 300. Interesting show created by Barry Sonnefeld (Men In Black). I don't know how long you can keep an audience though with the fairy tale narrative effect. That might get old. Overall I enjoyed it. Eventually the narrator will go away. But the story gets very wild. I am currently cutting episode 5 and they just get better. s.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pushing Pushing Daisies
Stu wrote: Nice color enhancement. Are you responsible for that too? Its a new box called the Luster. The DP, Michael Weaver locked ourselves in a bay for 18 hours played around. We were adding shadows on walls, changing the specific colors, and hiding face blemishes. Its amazing. I think they used it on 300. Cool! Sounds like a fun box. Interesting show created by Barry Sonnefeld (Men In Black). I don't know how long you can keep an audience though with the fairy tale narrative effect. That might get old. Overall I enjoyed it. Eventually the narrator will go away. But the story gets very wild. I am currently cutting episode 5 and they just get better. s. Good. On some of the forums where they discussed the show that was a concern.
[FairfieldLife] Re: P.S. to Turq, I think you're a predator
others extol the fun of one-night-stands Who was doing this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Bingo. Edg must be reading from the same manual as Rick about how damsels in distress need rescuing from relationships of their own choosing. Sal Bronte writes; I meant to add in my other post that I am with Edg on his desire to protect young girls from the dangers. No, Sal, they aren't always relationships of their own choosing. A lot of what Edg said was right on. If more men took his attitude, innocense would be much safer in this world. He just went too far in calling telling Turq he was a predator. Another thought on all this. Edg sings the joys of being really intimate with one person while others extol the fun of one-night-stands. Maybe what's right for one isn't what right's for another person -- different needs from relationships, sex, etc. It's great to share one's perspective on how great life is on one's own side of the track, but when we start to think the folks living on the other side of the track are just plain wrong, it's hard to learn from each other anymore. Because then communication stops, and we can't benefit then from the other person's vastly different perspective. I'm much more like Edg than like Barry in what I value in relationships, but I'm fascinated reading what Barry, Curtis and others have written about their radically different ways (from mine) of doing, learning and experiencing in such matters. I'm seeing some goodness where before I saw only things I didn't understand or judged. Their wrtings have opened my mind to a greater understanding, and for that I'm grateful. - Bronte - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
