[FairfieldLife] Pee-rih! (Ghost stories)

[cardemaister]

"Piiri" (pee-rih: circle) is a series of ghost stories
all over Finland:

http://www.sub.fi/netti-tv/index.shtml/ohjelmat/piiri?148323

(I'm not sure if that shows abroad...)

The above episode is about a home in Vantaa, near Helsinki, 
in a building from 1984.

A rather young girl has been living in that flat about 2 years.
One evening her door bell rang. When she went to open the
door, no-one was there, but she felt a cold wind, and after
that the atmosphere in her home was "electrified", and
alls sorts of strange things started to happen.

The older woman about ten minutes into the show is a medium
who at the end "purifies" the home.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's a story in the Shrimad Bhagavatam about Indra, the king of 
> the demigods, who seduced his guru's wife.  When the guru found out 
> about this insult, he cursed Indra to have thousands of vaginas all 
> over Indra's body.  Upon witnessing the curse, Indra begged his guru 
> for forgiveness.  As such, his guru changed the curse to have 
> thousand eyes all over Indra's body.

Please note that Raunchydog and Judy "I like to
slander people by claiming they threatened my 
life" Stein will see nothing misogynist about 
this story. Nor, I would bet, does John. He 
thinks it's "wisdom" from the "vedic literature."

Lou Valentino, on the other hand, would consider
it a form of early Pleiadian worship, since he
has described them as looking like "big verginas." :-)

[FairfieldLife] The infighting begins

[TurquoiseB]

With the GOP looking more and more set to fracture 
as the possibility of electoral defeat looms, the 
cannibals' knives are out. Consider this quote, via 
Yglesias:

Jim Nuzzo, a White House aide to the first President 
Bush, dismissed Mrs Palin's critics as "cocktail 
party conservatives" who "give aid and comfort to 
the enemy".

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a 
bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommuni-
cated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan 
are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus 
test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

In related news, and citing the Shrimad Bhagavatam 
as backup scripture, Fairfield Life poster Judy 
"Laugh at me and I'll slander you by claiming that
you threatened my life" Stein has purportedly paid
the TM organization $10,000 to perform a yagya that
will cause thousands of tiny penises to appear on
Raunchydog's body. 

"That'll teach her to keep silent and not support
me when I claim that someone has made a death threat
against us," she said. "If she comes to her senses
and decides to love, honor and obey me like the guru 
I perceive myself to be, I may have the yagya amended
to change the tiny penises to mere pimples. Other-
wise, she's in the cosmic shitter along with all of
the other spewers of misogynist vomit on this forum."

The victim of the yagya, Raunchydog, was unavailable
for comment because she was off looking for people
to fuck over, now that she finally has the equipment
to do it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Next Laptop

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I think Apple is finished. But theMac-nuts can't bring them
> selves to admit it. Its a sad way to be.

Apple is sitting on billions of dollars in cash, and Macs are closing
in on 10% market share... yeah, that sure sounds like they're finished.

[FairfieldLife] DoesEveryOneHaveASoulMate?

[John]

Below is one of my Links - some of my links are a 
little to long to post here, so I will just give you the 
links, I hope you don't mind. Also, the links will have 
music and a photo to enhance {and are part of} 
the message, and it will also be much easier to read.

Thanks, John, in Cleveland Ohio USA ...

{Does Everyone Have A Soul Mate?} 
http://clevelandohiousa.tripod.com/soulmate/

[FairfieldLife] Obama assassination plot foiled, plus comment

[TurquoiseB]

WASHINGTON — Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a
national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and
ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama,
federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials described as neo-Nazi skinheads
planned to kill 88 people _ 14 by beheading, according to documents
unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and
14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly
African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward
Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and
wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint
states.

In related news, Fairfield Life poster Judy
"I can rationalize anything" Stein said, 
"The plotters' choice of attire makes it 
clear that their plan was not racially
motivated. By dressing in all-white tuxedos
and top hats during the assassination attempt,
they were merely paying homage to Fred Astaire."

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've used them now and then when a guy has been
> swinging his dick around. It's a little sexist to
> make fun of men's protectiveness toward their
> genitals when they've been enthusiatically waving
> them about, but it's not misandristic.
> 
> > > (I think I did call Barry a "dickhead" at
> > > one point, but that isn't a gender-specific
> > > term like "cunt.")
> > 
> > Actually it is.  I have never heard a woman called a dickhead.
> 
> Find me a definition on the Web that says it
> refers specifically to men.

DICKHEAD

Death threats denying of course
Unrepentantly beating his horse

Distracting little liar
Sets his house afire

In flames the faggot prancing
Obsessed with pricks a-dancing

Projecting hateful drivel
His broken heart a shrivel 

Sadistic cruelty he cannot end
His bitter cup fouls even friend 

Driven vengeful troll-like haunting
His surly cowardice surely daunting

He's filthy dirty digging deep
So set the twigs beneath his feet

Strike at once the tinderbox
To finally rid us of this pox

Raise the specter of sulfuric flaming
His ashes blackened and he's still blaming

BARRY'S PIG

Beneath his lipstick rhetoric squealing
Barry's pig and pitchfork, revealing

Sticking it to you at every turn
Oblivious that he will earn

A place in Hell
Where he will tell

Amid throngs of people booing
An account of his vile spewing

Inciting the killing of Amos and Andy
Know well, this unrepentant Dandy

Is just a creepy Nancy
Using words of fancy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pee-rih! (Ghost stories)

[gullible fool]

 
Sounds like a south entrance problem to me, cardemaister!
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pee-rih! (Ghost stories)
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:04 AM

"Piiri" (pee-rih: circle) is a series of ghost stories
all over Finland:

http://www.sub.fi/netti-tv/index.shtml/ohjelmat/piiri?148323

(I'm not sure if that shows abroad...)

The above episode is about a home in Vantaa, near Helsinki, 
in a building from 1984.

A rather young girl has been living in that flat about 2 years.
One evening her door bell rang. When she went to open the
door, no-one was there, but she felt a cold wind, and after
that the atmosphere in her home was "electrified", and
alls sorts of strange things started to happen.

The older woman about ten minutes into the show is a medium
who at the end "purifies" the home.






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[FairfieldLife] A statistical tie between Clinton and Obama proves DNC corruption

[raunchydog]

"On 5 October 2007, the DNC determined that the date of Florida's 29
January 2008 primary violates party rules and has decided to strip the
state of its entire delegation.
On 1 December 2007, the DNC determined that the date of Michigans's 15
January 2008 primary violates party rules and has decided to strip the
state of its entire delegation.

On Saturday 31 May 2008, the Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee
decided to seat the entire Florida and Michigan delegations. However,
each delegate (pledged and unpledged) will cast only ½ delegate vote.
[The RBC gave 4 of Hillary's Michigan pledged delegates to Obama.]


On the day before the National Convention, 24 August 2008, the
Democratic National Convention's Credentials Committee had, at the
request of Senator Barack Obama, voted to restore full voting strength
to the delegates from Michigan and Florida, bringing the primary dispute
to closure. The panel approved the full seating of Michigan and Florida
with no debate or opposing votes."

45th Democratic National Convention
Monday 25 August through Thursday 28 August 2008
Denver, Colorado
http://tinyurl.com/5c5mb6 


Official Convention website 

The Green Papers
2008 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions
  [Copyright www.flags.net/UNST.htm]  Democratic Convention
Presidential Nominating Process
Automatic selection of unpledged delegates: Saturday 1 March 2008
Rules and Bylaws Committee Meeting: Saturday 31 May 2008
45th Democratic National Convention: Monday 25 August - Thursday 28
August 2008[Democrats]   CandidatePopular
VoteDelegate Votes 
Hard TotalFloor Vote Clinton, Hillary Rodham
 17,857,446 
48.04%1,730.5  39.17%341.5   7.73% Obama, Barack Hussein
 17,584,649 
47.31%1,747.5  39.55%1,549.5  35.07% Edwards, John Reid
 994,022  
2.67%32.0   0.72%  Uncommitted293,075   0.79%908.0  20.55%  Richardson,
William B. "Bill", III
 104,051   0.28%
Kucinich, Dennis J.
 99,962   0.27%
Biden, Joseph Robinette "Joe", Jr.
 79,754   0.21%  
Gravel, Mike 
35,303   0.09%   Dodd, Christopher J. "Chris"
 34,663   0.09%
No Preference31,255   0.08%   Blank, Void, Scattering28,698   0.08%  
(others)25,871   0.07%   Uninstructed861   0.00%   Scattering468   0.00%
Undecided42   0.00%   (available)(not voting)  2,527.0  57.20%
Total37,170,120 100.00%4,418.0 100.00%4,418.0 100.00%  4,418
total delegate votes - 2,316 district / 794 at large; 456 Pledged PLEOs;
771 Unpledged PLEOs; 81 Unpledged add-ons
States Chronologically
States
Alphabetically  
Republican Convention 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Richard J. Williams]

Judy wrote: 
> Lawson and I led the charge against Skolnick, 
> but many others did their part. He nearly 
> went nuts because he couldn't get away with 
> anything.
> 
Read more: http://tinyurl.com/6prvs8

Author: Lawson English
Subject: No apology here
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
sci.skeptic
Date: 1998/10/21

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Richard J. Williams]

> > I'd recommend watching A Clockwork Orange 
> > for behavior mod.
> >
enlightened_dawn wrote:
> ouch!
>
"Barry has a lot of money and psychic energy 
invested in the worship of gurus. He says it's 
all worth it and he has only harsh words for 
former cult members who speak out against the 
likes of Freddie Lenz and the Maharishi."

Author: Andrew A. Skolnick
Subject: Re: No apology here
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 1998/10/21
http://tinyurl.com/6prvs8

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:

> > You claimed that you and Raunchy had death threats
> > hurled at you.
> 
> I said misogynistic vomit, including death
> threats, had been hurled at us and many other
> women.
> 
> > I asked you for examples.
> > 
> > You gave some.
> 
> I gave two, both from one post of Barry's.

Last, hopefully, point on this for those who 
haven't been following it closely enough to
recognize how grossly it's been distorted by
Barry and his minions.

My original remark about how "misogynistic vomit
(including death threats)" had been hurled at
raunchydog and me and many other women *didn't
mention Barry*.

Nor did I cite him as the author of the threats
until *after he had identified himself* as the
author and quoted the post containing the threats.

At which point I confirmed that those were the
threats I had referred to.

In my original post, it was just a passing
reference, a parenthetical. I had no intention
of making a big deal of it or even of ever
referring to it again. The only reason for
mentioning it at all was as an example of how
extreme the "misogynistic vomit" had become here.

Even if you don't think "death threats" was an
appropriate way to characterize Barry's sick
fantasies of raunchydog's and my violent deaths,
if you can't even acknowledge how extreme they
were, if you think they were an acceptable form
of discourse on this forum, you have some serious
problems with your view of gender relations.

The closest anybody (except raunchydog) has come
to rebuking Barry for posting those fantasies is
Curtis, who admitted they were "a bit heavy-handed."

Instead, everybody is criticizing *me* for
referring to them by a term they don't feel is
appropriate, i.e., nitpicking. Calling
raunchydog and me "dumb angry cunts too stupid
to live" is just fine; calling this a "death
threat" is a dreadful sin for which an abject
apology is required.

And note again that the person who has made a 
big deal of this is not me but Barry, the one
who made the violent comments in the first place.

Simply astonishing.

I've remarked before on the moral and ethical
vacuity of FFL. That vacuum has now become almost
total.

(Looking back, I realize Barry was hoping I'd
explode with fury over his fantasies of
murdering me and raunchydog. It must have been
quite a disappointment when I didn't, but with
the enthusiastic cooperation of others here, he
managed to fabricate the huge fuss he wanted out
of the one passing reference I did make.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

Willytex, you've just justified your existence.
That is a *fabulous* find. I'd forgotten all
about this thread. It's worth reading the whole
thing; it puts the flamewars here to shame, in
both style and substance.

It's mostly a knock-down, drag-out flame-duel
on alt.m.t between Barry and Skolnick, one of
the very best examples of what I described in
my post responding to Vaj: "It was hilarious
to watch them lie about each other and then
catch each other at it."

Just for fun, here's Barry confirming what I said
about Skolnick's inability to get away with
anything on alt.m.t:

"I know you're the prestigious writer and all,
but you're used to a medium where you can sling
shit and the worst that can happen to you is a
heavily-edited letter to the editor.  Here,
folks can and do respond however they want when
confronted with a classic McCarthyist attempt at 
defamation."

In fairness to Skolnick, here's one of his jabs
at Barry:

"As one who has devoted his life to following
dishonest gurus, you've pretty much lost the ability
to distinguish truth from make believe. Or even to
care."

They really had each other's numbers.

Among the gems in this thread are two longish
posts, one by Barry and one by Andrew, each
viciously satirizing the other. Barry's purports
to be an ad for "Andrew Skolnick's Home Study
Course in Tabloid Journalism." Andrew's is an ad
for the "ShokiRama School of Computer Fraud and
Spiritual Rebooting" ("Shoki" was one of Barry's
handles at the time). Very funny, both of them.

One last excerpt, showing that ultimately Barry
actually learned from Andrew. Barry wrote:

"Andrew shows us how a *real* journalist deals 
with criticism. A thorny subject, but for his
text Andypoo turns to the master, Joseph McCarthy.
When criticised, attack.  It doesn't *matter*
whether the attack is true...all that matters is
that you *made* the attack.  That's all the public
will remember."

Thanks, Willytex. Made my day.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy wrote: 
> > Lawson and I led the charge against Skolnick, 
> > but many others did their part. He nearly 
> > went nuts because he couldn't get away with 
> > anything.
> > 
> Read more: http://tinyurl.com/6prvs8
> 
> Author: Lawson English
> Subject: No apology here
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> sci.skeptic
> Date: 1998/10/21
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've remarked before on the moral and ethical
> vacuity of FFL. That vacuum has now become almost
> total.

ETHICAL VACUITY

Dripping dark ink
Pen of groupthink

Willing herds trample
To set an example

Playing the game
Blame and defame

Lacking veracity 
Stoop to mendacity

Attacking the word
Of messenger heard

Needing a dose of truth serum drink
Abandoning hope they spin down the sink

The Inquisitors' mind losing acuity
Ethics will drown in a sea of vacuity

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[curtisdeltablues]

> > 
> > I gave two, both from one post of Barry's.
> 
> Last, hopefully, point on this for those who 
> haven't been following it closely enough to
> recognize how grossly it's been distorted by
> Barry and his minions.

I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions (another
good rock band name).

A death threat is a very different kind of communication than wishing
someone was dead and saying so.  I was originally concerned that such
a threat had been made which is why I asked about it.  If such a treat
had been made I would have spoken up to the person making such a
threat.  After quite a bit of tap dancing and delays it turns out that
no death threat had been made.  For someone giving such vigorous lip
service to the power of language, I find your metaphorical death
threat explanation unsatisfactory.

You were using it as an example of bad behavior, it was meant to make
Barry look like the kind of person who would make a death threat on
this group.  It was a serious charge and you got a serious response
from me.

You cried "wolf."  And now I understand that your whole rap about
misogynistic language is just more self-serving nonsense used to
battle Barry and others here by trying to shame them.  You have tried
to make your personal battle into a gender battle to elevate it from
pettiness.  Your inability to cop to making a false accusation is
revealing.

Trying to shame the whole group for not rescuing you and Raunchy from
having words directed towards you by Barry is very lame Judy. Still
waiting for a white knight to save the princesses?  Not very gender
issues enlightened IMO. You've made your bed, now you get to lie in
it.  If it really was a gender issue I would expect other women in the
group to rally to your side.  But that has not happened for a reason.

> I've remarked before on the moral and ethical
> vacuity of FFL. That vacuum has now become almost
> total.

Putting yourself above everyone else here as if you are the model of
what is moral and what is ethical is part of the problem here Judy. 
It comes across as condescension and invokes a powerful negative
reaction.  Have you noticed? 

I will continue to be a fan of your posts and Barry's posts, when you
are not posting to each other like the cobra and mongoose.  As long as
you two enjoy it, it is none of my business. 

 






> 
> My original remark about how "misogynistic vomit
> (including death threats)" had been hurled at
> raunchydog and me and many other women *didn't
> mention Barry*.
> 
> Nor did I cite him as the author of the threats
> until *after he had identified himself* as the
> author and quoted the post containing the threats.
> 
> At which point I confirmed that those were the
> threats I had referred to.
> 
> In my original post, it was just a passing
> reference, a parenthetical. I had no intention
> of making a big deal of it or even of ever
> referring to it again. The only reason for
> mentioning it at all was as an example of how
> extreme the "misogynistic vomit" had become here.
> 
> Even if you don't think "death threats" was an
> appropriate way to characterize Barry's sick
> fantasies of raunchydog's and my violent deaths,
> if you can't even acknowledge how extreme they
> were, if you think they were an acceptable form
> of discourse on this forum, you have some serious
> problems with your view of gender relations.
> 
> The closest anybody (except raunchydog) has come
> to rebuking Barry for posting those fantasies is
> Curtis, who admitted they were "a bit heavy-handed."
> 
> Instead, everybody is criticizing *me* for
> referring to them by a term they don't feel is
> appropriate, i.e., nitpicking. Calling
> raunchydog and me "dumb angry cunts too stupid
> to live" is just fine; calling this a "death
> threat" is a dreadful sin for which an abject
> apology is required.
> 
> And note again that the person who has made a 
> big deal of this is not me but Barry, the one
> who made the violent comments in the first place.
> 
> Simply astonishing.
> 
> I've remarked before on the moral and ethical
> vacuity of FFL. That vacuum has now become almost
> total.
> 
> (Looking back, I realize Barry was hoping I'd
> explode with fury over his fantasies of
> murdering me and raunchydog. It must have been
> quite a disappointment when I didn't, but with
> the enthusiastic cooperation of others here, he
> managed to fabricate the huge fuss he wanted out
> of the one passing reference I did make.)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life span calculator

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I've used some other calculators with different results.  I had an ant
>> who recently passed away at age 94.>>
>> 
>
> Wow, thats pretty old for an ant. Ants usually live only a year or two.
>  :-)
>   
Yup, we need to write in Sanskrit so we don't make such typos.  English 
sucks!  ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


Last, hopefully, point on this for those who
haven't been following it closely enough to
recognize how grossly it's been distorted by
Barry and his minions.


I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions  
(another good rock band name).


How about the Filet Minions?

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:



I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions (another
good rock band name).

A death threat is a very different kind of communication than wishing
someone was dead and saying so.  I was originally concerned that such
a threat had been made which is why I asked about it.  If such a treat
had been made


Uh, oh, Curtis, there you go again, doggonnit.  Will
you please get out of this Halloween mode?  Things
are scary enough around here as it is.


I would have spoken up to the person making such a
threat.



Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> >
> > If such a treat had been made
> 
> Uh, oh, Curtis, there you go again, doggonnit.  Will
> you please get out of this Halloween mode?  Things
> are scary enough around here as it is.

Interestingly, in France and now in Spain,
Halloween has never really been a big deal,
or celebrated. It's only lately that it's
been merchandized to kids and their parents.

Until only a few years ago, Halloween meant
only its name -- Hallow 'een, or All Hallows
Eve. It's the next day. All Saints Day, that
is celebrated in France and in Spain. It's
a national holiday/fiesta, and people tend
to visit cemetaries to honor the dead. Then
eat. Somehow in Spain all fiestas seem to 
lead up to eating. And for some reason I don't
fully understand, the streets are suddenly
full of roasted chestnut vendors. Here's
what I found about it on a website:

This festival revolves around the tradition of remembering 
the dead. It is not surprising that we remember the dead in 
Autumn, when nature dies little by little and prepares for 
winter.

There are many traditions connected with this time of year: 
from literary references (D. Juan Tenorio by José Zorilla; 
El Estudiante de Salamanca by José de Espronceda...) to 
purely gastronomic ones, which brings us to the pleasant 
aspect of this time of year in Spain, the celebration of 
"La Castañada".

In olden days, "la castañada" was celebrated after the 
family evening meal, and brings back memories of the ancient 
funeral meals. After the usual family supper chestnuts were 
roasted in the open hearth, "panellets" (small, tasty almond 
cakes) and other sweet titbits were eaten, and accompanied 
by a sweet, white wine. The chestnuts were roasted and placed 
on the table where everyone was able to eat their fill.

This custom of eating chestnuts (which is the typical seasonal 
fruit together with dried fruits such as almonds, hazel nuts...), 
goes hand-in-hand with eating sweet potato el boniato. Together 
they lead us on to the appearance of one of the most lively and 
important characters at this time: the chestnut seller "la 
castañera". Here is Spain many stories are told about "Maria, 
la castañera". 

I don't personally know any of the
many stories about Maria, but I could
tell you a few about her sister Lupe.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


If such a treat had been made


Uh, oh, Curtis, there you go again, doggonnit.  Will
you please get out of this Halloween mode?  Things
are scary enough around here as it is.


Interestingly, in France and now in Spain,
Halloween has never really been a big deal,
or celebrated. It's only lately that it's
been merchandized to kids and their parents.

Until only a few years ago, Halloween meant
only its name -- Hallow 'een, or All Hallows
Eve. It's the next day. All Saints Day, that
is celebrated in France and in Spain. It's
a national holiday/fiesta, and people tend
to visit cemetaries to honor the dead. Then
eat. Somehow in Spain all fiestas seem to
lead up to eating. And for some reason I don't
fully understand, the streets are suddenly
full of roasted chestnut vendors. Here's
what I found about it on a website:


Great info, but this whole post really sounds like a
death treat, Barry...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Richard J. Williams]

Judy wrote:
> Willytex, you've just justified your existence.
>
Classics from the a.m.t. grooveyard!

> That is a *fabulous* find. I'd forgotten all
> about this thread. It's worth reading the whole
> thing; it puts the flamewars here to shame, in
> both style and substance.
> 
> It's mostly a knock-down, drag-out flame-duel
> on alt.m.t between Barry and Skolnick, one of
> the very best examples of what I described in
> my post responding to Vaj: "It was hilarious
> to watch them lie about each other and then
> catch each other at it."
> 
> Just for fun, here's Barry confirming what I said
> about Skolnick's inability to get away with
> anything on alt.m.t:
> 
> "I know you're the prestigious writer and all,
> but you're used to a medium where you can sling
> shit and the worst that can happen to you is a
> heavily-edited letter to the editor.  Here,
> folks can and do respond however they want when
> confronted with a classic McCarthyist attempt at 
> defamation."
> 
> In fairness to Skolnick, here's one of his jabs
> at Barry:
> 
> "As one who has devoted his life to following
> dishonest gurus, you've pretty much lost the ability
> to distinguish truth from make believe. Or even to
> care."
> 
> They really had each other's numbers.
> 
> Among the gems in this thread are two longish
> posts, one by Barry and one by Andrew, each
> viciously satirizing the other. Barry's purports
> to be an ad for "Andrew Skolnick's Home Study
> Course in Tabloid Journalism." Andrew's is an ad
> for the "ShokiRama School of Computer Fraud and
> Spiritual Rebooting" ("Shoki" was one of Barry's
> handles at the time). Very funny, both of them.
> 
> One last excerpt, showing that ultimately Barry
> actually learned from Andrew. Barry wrote:
> 
> "Andrew shows us how a *real* journalist deals 
> with criticism. A thorny subject, but for his
> text Andypoo turns to the master, Joseph McCarthy.
> When criticised, attack.  It doesn't *matter*
> whether the attack is true...all that matters is
> that you *made* the attack.  That's all the public
> will remember."
> 
> Thanks, Willytex. Made my day.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Judy wrote: 
> > > Lawson and I led the charge against Skolnick, 
> > > but many others did their part. He nearly 
> > > went nuts because he couldn't get away with 
> > > anything.
> > > 
> > Read more: http://tinyurl.com/6prvs8
> > 
> > Author: Lawson English
> > Subject: No apology here
> > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> > sci.skeptic
> > Date: 1998/10/21
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[yifuxero]

---Looks like you're onto something!. Also Willytex, that book on 
Kashmir Shaivism that you recommended is excellent.  Thanks. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Willytex, you've just justified your existence.
> >
> Classics from the a.m.t. grooveyard!
> 
> > That is a *fabulous* find. I'd forgotten all
> > about this thread. It's worth reading the whole
> > thing; it puts the flamewars here to shame, in
> > both style and substance.
> > 
> > It's mostly a knock-down, drag-out flame-duel
> > on alt.m.t between Barry and Skolnick, one of
> > the very best examples of what I described in
> > my post responding to Vaj: "It was hilarious
> > to watch them lie about each other and then
> > catch each other at it."
> > 
> > Just for fun, here's Barry confirming what I said
> > about Skolnick's inability to get away with
> > anything on alt.m.t:
> > 
> > "I know you're the prestigious writer and all,
> > but you're used to a medium where you can sling
> > shit and the worst that can happen to you is a
> > heavily-edited letter to the editor.  Here,
> > folks can and do respond however they want when
> > confronted with a classic McCarthyist attempt at 
> > defamation."
> > 
> > In fairness to Skolnick, here's one of his jabs
> > at Barry:
> > 
> > "As one who has devoted his life to following
> > dishonest gurus, you've pretty much lost the ability
> > to distinguish truth from make believe. Or even to
> > care."
> > 
> > They really had each other's numbers.
> > 
> > Among the gems in this thread are two longish
> > posts, one by Barry and one by Andrew, each
> > viciously satirizing the other. Barry's purports
> > to be an ad for "Andrew Skolnick's Home Study
> > Course in Tabloid Journalism." Andrew's is an ad
> > for the "ShokiRama School of Computer Fraud and
> > Spiritual Rebooting" ("Shoki" was one of Barry's
> > handles at the time). Very funny, both of them.
> > 
> > One last excerpt, showing that ultimately Barry
> > actually learned from Andrew. Barry wrote:
> > 
> > "Andrew shows us how a *real* journalist deals 
> > with criticism. A thorny subject, but for his
> > text Andypoo turns to the master, Joseph McCarthy.
> > When criticised, attack.  It doesn't *matter*
> > whether the attack is true...all that matters is
> > that you *made* the attack.  That's all the public
> > will remember."
> > 
> > Thanks, Willytex. Made my day.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy wrote: 
> > > > Lawson and I led the charge against Skolnick, 
> > > > but many others did their part. He nearly 
> > > > went nuts because he couldn't get away with 
> > > > anything.
> > > > 
> > > Read more: http://tinyurl.com/6prvs8
> > > 
> > > Author: Lawson English
> > > Subject: No apology here
> > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
> > > sci.skeptic
> > > Date: 1998/10/21
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin is a Self-proclaimed Socialist ?

[do.rflex]

"We're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's
collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth
when the development of these resources occurs."

~~  Sarah Palin in New Yorker interview before she was nominated for
Vice-President
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg


http://tinyurl.com/56bpyt

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 
> > > I gave two, both from one post of Barry's.
> > 
> > Last, hopefully, point on this for those who 
> > haven't been following it closely enough to
> > recognize how grossly it's been distorted by
> > Barry and his minions.
> 
> I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions

You did your part, Curtis. And you're doing
more of it now.
> 
> A death threat is a very different kind of communication than
> wishing someone was dead and saying so.

We disagree.

  I was originally concerned that such
> a threat had been made which is why I asked about it.  If 
> such a treat had been made I would have spoken up to the
> person making such a threat.

SUUURE you would have, Curtis.

  After quite a bit of tap dancing and delays it turns out
> that no death threat had been made.  For someone giving
> such vigorous lip service to the power of language, I find
> your metaphorical death threat explanation unsatisfactory.]

Ooooh, I'm so impressed.

Tell that to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Sklar
and all the others who were outraged by his
recommendation that somebody "take Hillary into
a room and only he comes out."

> You were using it as an example of bad behavior, it was
> meant to make Barry look like the kind of person who would
> make a death threat on this group.

He's the kind of person who fantasizes about
murdering raunchydog and me. I don't draw a strict
line between "You dumb angry cunts, you don't
deserve to live" and "You dumb angry cunts, I'm
going to kill you."

But I referred to it only in passing, WITHOUT
MENTIONING BARRY.


> You cried "wolf."  And now I understand that your whole rap
> about misogynistic language is just more self-serving
> nonsense used to battle Barry and others here by trying to
> shame them.

What an *astonishingly* wrongheaded remark.

  You have tried
> to make your personal battle into a gender battle to elevate it
> from pettiness.

Wrong. FAIL FAIL FAIL.

  Your inability to cop to making a false accusation is
> revealing.

Bullshit. I don't consider it false.

> Trying to shame the whole group for not rescuing you and
> Raunchy from having words directed towards you by Barry
> is very lame Judy.

At this point, you know you're talking bullshit.

 Still
> waiting for a white knight to save the princesses?  Not very
> gender issues enlightened IMO. You've made your bed, now you
> get to lie in it.  If it really was a gender issue I would
> expect other women in the group to rally to your side.

Who, Sal and enlightened_dawn?? Yeah, that's
really likely, Curtis. The former hates my guts
because I keep pointing out her idiotic goofs,
and the latter holds herself carefully above all
of us here, male and female.

Not all women have feminist sensibilities, sad
to say.

  But that has not happened for a reason.
> 
> > I've remarked before on the moral and ethical
> > vacuity of FFL. That vacuum has now become almost
> > total.
> 
> Putting yourself above everyone else here as if you are
> the model of what is moral and what is ethical

Compared to most on this group, I don't have to
come anywhere near being a "model" of morality
and ethics to have more of 'em.

 is part of the problem here Judy. 
> It comes across as condescension and invokes a powerful
> negative reaction.  Have you noticed?

Yes. Nobody likes to have their nose rubbed in
their moral and ethical deficiencies. They'd
much rather pretend their shit don't stink.

Tough. If I were to ignore this, I'd be just as
morally and ethically deficient.

[FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[Rick Archer]

http://yogavisionaries.com/monthly.php?update=nov08 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[pranamoocher]

Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What a bore.
Get to the point, Lou!

Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://yogavisionaries.com/monthly.php?update=nov08
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do you think will happen?

[pranamoocher]

The Hood will riot regardless of who wins.
OB- rioting to celebrate.
McCain- rioting to vent.
Head for the hills.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> What do you think will happen when Obama looses...due to election
fraud?
> Will there be riots?
>
> Time and time again, in state after state, there are news reports of
> democrats being blocked from voting. It is widespread and could be
> devastating.
>
> FACT: Former republicns that went to jail for such fraud in 2004 and
now
> are repentant about it, say that te democrats would have won the
> election if it were not for fraud by the republicans.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojm_ggSLX7U
> 
>
> Will there be riots on Wednesday 5th Nov?
>
> OffWorld
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[I am the eternal]

I completely concur.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM, pranamoocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  *Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What a bore.
> Get to the point, Lou!
>
> Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.
>
>
> *
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://yogavisionaries.com/monthly.php?update=nov08
> >
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin is a Self-proclaimed Socialist ?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> "We're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's
> collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth
> when the development of these resources occurs."
> 
> ~~  Sarah Palin in New Yorker interview before she was nominated for
> Vice-President
> 
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzb
erg
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/56bpyt
>
her use of syntax makes me grind my teeth...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[curtisdeltablues]

> > 
> > I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions
> 
> You did your part, Curtis. And you're doing
> more of it now.

I have distorted nothing by asking you to back up your claim of a
death threat. Shooting the messenger doesn't work with me.


> 
>   After quite a bit of tap dancing and delays it turns out
> > that no death threat had been made.  For someone giving
> > such vigorous lip service to the power of language, I find
> > your metaphorical death threat explanation unsatisfactory.]
> 
> Ooooh, I'm so impressed.

What a waste of snark.  You have communicated nothing.

> 
> Tell that to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Sklar
> and all the others who were outraged by his
> recommendation that somebody "take Hillary into
> a room and only he comes out."

Let me help deflate the self importance a bit here.  You are not a
public figure.  The problem with what Keith said was that it might
incite some crazy person to carry it out.  Because millions of people
watch MSNBC it could conceivably be heard by the one nut who might do
it.  You are not a public figure with that kind of stature Judy.  And
the universe of possible readers here is comparatively tiny.  In the
future you may not want to use public figures as examples for things
happening to you.  It makes you seem a bit out of touch with your
actual reality.  For a public figure assassination is a real
possibility. Plus Keith's comment was directly volitional, not a
passive wishing or the absurd "burst into flames" image.  In other
words, it was more of a threat.  I'm a fan of the guy usually but that
was a very insensitive and dangerous thing to say about a PUBLIC FIGURE.
> 
> > You were using it as an example of bad behavior, it was
> > meant to make Barry look like the kind of person who would
> > make a death threat on this group.
> 
> He's the kind of person who fantasizes about
> murdering raunchydog and me. I don't draw a strict
> line between "You dumb angry cunts, you don't
> deserve to live" and "You dumb angry cunts, I'm
> going to kill you."

Are we back to square one?  Are you really claiming that Barry is
fantasizing murdering you two?  Got any more quotes for me or can we
just cut this one short and go straight to the "metaphorical" murder
concept?

> 
> But I referred to it only in passing, WITHOUT
> MENTIONING BARRY.

Yeah, it was a big jump to figure out who you were talking about.  I
had to run through at least one name to get to his. (and that name was
his too.)

> 
> 
>   Your inability to cop to making a false accusation is
> > revealing.
> 
> Bullshit. I don't consider it false.

That's convenient, isn't it?  So I guess if people don't view their
remarks as sexist or misogynistic it doesn't count.  What a great out! 

> 
> > Trying to shame the whole group for not rescuing you and
> > Raunchy from having words directed towards you by Barry
> > is very lame Judy.
> 
> At this point, you know you're talking bullshit.

Your words Judy:
> The closest anybody (except raunchydog) has come
> to rebuking Barry for posting those fantasies is
> Curtis, who admitted they were "a bit heavy-handed."

snip
> > 
> > Putting yourself above everyone else here as if you are
> > the model of what is moral and what is ethical
> 
> Compared to most on this group, I don't have to
> come anywhere near being a "model" of morality
> and ethics to have more of 'em.

Nice group put down.  How's that judgmental assumption working out for
you?  

 > 
>  is part of the problem here Judy. 
> > It comes across as condescension and invokes a powerful
> > negative reaction.  Have you noticed?
> 
> Yes. Nobody likes to have their nose rubbed in
> their moral and ethical deficiencies. They'd
> much rather pretend their shit don't stink.

A little inadvertent irony huh?

> 
> Tough. If I were to ignore this, I'd be just as
> morally and ethically deficient.

And sink down to the level of the rest of the posters here?  Funny how
I felt the same way when you made a false accusation.  I gave you a
chance to come clean.  I think once you realized that your examples
were lame you cooked up the metaphor story to save face.  But you
didn't need to save face Judy because we all make mistakes posting
here.  I just wanted to see how far you would go to defend your
mistake rather than apoligize for it.  Now I know.

In a perfect Kumbaya universe, Turq would apoligize for calling you
and Raunchy the C word and you would apoligize for making a false
accusation of a death threat.

I won't hold my breath.




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin is a Self-proclaimed Socialist ?

[curtisdeltablues]

> her use of syntax makes me grind my teeth...

That sums it up nicely!

George Will said on This Week on Sunday:

"95% of what governments DO is redistribute wealth."

Palin has zero shame. She is a political attack dog, with or without
the lipstick.  The worst form of content-free politician, relying on
sophist tricks to win at any cost.  Even in the face of overwhelming
evidence of hypocrisy.   

After 8 years of listening to Bush's mangled speech I would consider
putting a gun in my mouth if I have at least 4 years of hearing Palin
talk.  (Death treat alert: This was a metaphor.  I am not actually
going to kill myself if she wins.  I reserve the right to throw up in
my mouth a little, however.) 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > "We're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's
> > collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth
> > when the development of these resources occurs."
> > 
> > ~~  Sarah Palin in New Yorker interview before she was nominated for
> > Vice-President
> > 
> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzb
> erg
> > 
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/56bpyt
> >
> her use of syntax makes me grind my teeth...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[enlightened_dawn11]

fwiw, "Dickhead" almost sounds like a Jethro Tull song, only it also 
sounds unfinished. Rather than being just another Barry bashing song 
(which would be like so last week...), why not just make it a 
diatribe against self-centeredness and isolation? something like:

ego is as ego does

slander the many, protect the few,
only for me and none for you,
all about me and god screw you...

or something like that. sounds like a great project on an empty 
saturday and bottle of good red wine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > I've used them now and then when a guy has been
> > swinging his dick around. It's a little sexist to
> > make fun of men's protectiveness toward their
> > genitals when they've been enthusiatically waving
> > them about, but it's not misandristic.
> > 
> > > > (I think I did call Barry a "dickhead" at
> > > > one point, but that isn't a gender-specific
> > > > term like "cunt.")
> > > 
> > > Actually it is.  I have never heard a woman called a dickhead.
> > 
> > Find me a definition on the Web that says it
> > refers specifically to men.
> 
> DICKHEAD
> 
> Death threats denying of course
> Unrepentantly beating his horse
> 
> Distracting little liar
> Sets his house afire
> 
> In flames the faggot prancing
> Obsessed with pricks a-dancing
> 
> Projecting hateful drivel
> His broken heart a shrivel 
> 
> Sadistic cruelty he cannot end
> His bitter cup fouls even friend 
> 
> Driven vengeful troll-like haunting
> His surly cowardice surely daunting
> 
> He's filthy dirty digging deep
> So set the twigs beneath his feet
> 
> Strike at once the tinderbox
> To finally rid us of this pox
> 
> Raise the specter of sulfuric flaming
> His ashes blackened and he's still blaming
> 
> BARRY'S PIG
> 
> Beneath his lipstick rhetoric squealing
> Barry's pig and pitchfork, revealing
> 
> Sticking it to you at every turn
> Oblivious that he will earn
> 
> A place in Hell
> Where he will tell
> 
> Amid throngs of people booing
> An account of his vile spewing
> 
> Inciting the killing of Amos and Andy
> Know well, this unrepentant Dandy
> 
> Is just a creepy Nancy
> Using words of fancy
>

[FairfieldLife] Pew: McCain In Downward Spiral

[do.rflex]

The following PEW poll shows that as of October 26, 2008, in the
demographics McCain is ahead only in the category of white evangelical
Protestants (aside from Republicans). In other words McCain is ahead
only with the fringe nutbag religionists.


SEE Chart [click to enlarge]: 
http://people-press.org/reports/images/465-3.gif


Barack Obama leads John McCain by a 52% to 36% margin in Pew's latest
nationwide survey of 1,325 registered voters.

This is the fourth consecutive survey that has found support for the
Republican candidate edging down. In contrast, since early October
weekly Pew surveys have shown about the same number of respondents
saying they back Obama.

When the sample is narrowed to those most likely to vote, Obama leads
by 53% to 38%.

A breakdown of voting intentions by demographic groups shows that
since mid- September, McCain's support has declined significantly
across most voting blocs.

Currently, McCain holds a statistically significant advantage only
among white evangelical Protestants (aside from Republicans). In
addition, Obama runs nearly even with McCain in the so-called red
states, all of which George W. Bush won in 2004.

More here:
http://people-press.org/report/465/mccain-support-declines 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I completely concur.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM, pranamoocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  *Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What a
bore.
> > Get to the point, Lou!
> >
> > Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.
> >

"John McCain clearly has a more comfortable feeling about women as he
is surrounded by his wife and Sarah in his campaign. "
Lou Valentino

Is Lou aware of the joke McCain used to tell about the woman being
brutally raped and beaten and enjoying it?  Is he aware of the
degrading joke he used to tell about Hillary and Chelsea?  Is he aware
of his womanizing history?  Or calling his wife a cunt in public? 
That he and his wife rarely live in the same house together?  That he
and Palin are now fighting each other tooth and nail via the media
(today a mccain staffer called her a "whack job" - they're just now
figuring that out)?  That Obama will easily win the female vote.  

I'm not sure I've seen a politician so uncomfortable in his emotional
body and around females as McCain is.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>   
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>> 
>>> If such a treat had been made
>>>   
>> Uh, oh, Curtis, there you go again, doggonnit.  Will
>> you please get out of this Halloween mode?  Things
>> are scary enough around here as it is.
>> 
>
> Interestingly, in France and now in Spain,
> Halloween has never really been a big deal,
> or celebrated. It's only lately that it's
> been merchandized to kids and their parents.
It certainly has become highly commercialized in the US with rows 
devoted to Halloween stuff in stores.  Now some of those rows are 
already filled with Christmas stuff.  Shop often shop early I guess.  I 
think this year's Christmas is going to be Bushmas which is the name we 
should give at I don't think people will have that much to spend.  In 
fact I've decided my annual holiday video will be about celebrating 
Bushmas and the upcoming Bush Great Depression.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do you think will happen?

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Hood will riot regardless of who wins.
> OB- rioting to celebrate.
> McCain- rioting to vent.
> Head for the hills.
> 


Pranamoocher, are  you a member of the "The Hood" and are hereby announcing 
your 
personal intention to act irresponsibly following the election ? Oh, I 
didn't think so.
Therefore,  Please refrain from spreading inflammatory ideas.

Earlier this Summer, I heard of tales of doom that would befall should Obama 
get elected. 
Diehard Repubs were inciting fear - encouraging the stockpiling of arms - to 
protect 
themselves and their property from wild forces that were expected to be 
unleashed by an 
Obama victory.  

My take is that fear-mongering Repubs  have been pillaging and plundering the 
USA for 
decades, and intuitively they KNOW that they looked the other way instead of 
speaking 
truth to power to question "Voo Doo economics".  An economic Karmic 
readjustment is 
long over-due.

"The Hood" is too smart to reflexively riot over an Obama victory and thereby 
undermine 
their case for economic realignment that is long overdue. Sorry, Repubs, "The 
Hood" won't 
act irresponsibly after an Obama victory. Get ready, Repubs, for the 
inescapable backlash - 
you've pushed the pendulum excessively far  - the pendulum return, by 
necessity, must be 
likewise extreme. 












> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do you think will happen when Obama looses...due to election
> fraud?
> > Will there be riots?
> >
> > Time and time again, in state after state, there are news reports of
> > democrats being blocked from voting. It is widespread and could be
> > devastating.
> >
> > FACT: Former republicns that went to jail for such fraud in 2004 and
> now
> > are repentant about it, say that te democrats would have won the
> > election if it were not for fraud by the republicans.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojm_ggSLX7U
> > 
> >
> > Will there be riots on Wednesday 5th Nov?
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do you think will happen?

[Bhairitu]

mainstream20016 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> The Hood will riot regardless of who wins.
>> OB- rioting to celebrate.
>> McCain- rioting to vent.
>> Head for the hills.
>>
>> 
>
>
> Pranamoocher, are  you a member of the "The Hood" and are hereby announcing 
> your 
> personal intention to act irresponsibly following the election ? Oh, I 
> didn't think so.
> Therefore,  Please refrain from spreading inflammatory ideas.
>
> Earlier this Summer, I heard of tales of doom that would befall should Obama 
> get elected. 
> Diehard Repubs were inciting fear - encouraging the stockpiling of arms - to 
> protect 
> themselves and their property from wild forces that were expected to be 
> unleashed by an 
> Obama victory.  
>
> My take is that fear-mongering Repubs  have been pillaging and plundering the 
> USA for 
> decades, and intuitively they KNOW that they looked the other way instead of 
> speaking 
> truth to power to question "Voo Doo economics".  An economic Karmic 
> readjustment is 
> long over-due.
>
> "The Hood" is too smart to reflexively riot over an Obama victory and thereby 
> undermine 
> their case for economic realignment that is long overdue. Sorry, Repubs, "The 
> Hood" won't 
> act irresponsibly after an Obama victory. Get ready, Repubs, for the 
> inescapable backlash - 
> you've pushed the pendulum excessively far  - the pendulum return, by 
> necessity, must be 
> likewise extreme. 
>   
I would think the "Hood" that would be rioting when Obama wins would be 
the hoods worn by the KKK.  I would expect in fact some of the right to 
riot on a small scale when he wins.

[FairfieldLife] Shoes outside the door?

[Richard J. Williams]

It was mid-March of 1983 when the important people 
started arriving at the Zen Buddhist Monestery at 
Tassajara - Gary Snyder, Robert Aitken, Thich Nhat 
Hahn and other notables. Anna Hawken, a gorgeous 
blond woman, arrived at the beginning of the week. 
Her husband had not arrived yet. According to 
Michael Downing in his book 'Shoes Outside the Door' 
she had her children with her: Downing quoting 
Willem: "And, after that first night, her little 
slippers were located at Baker-roshi's cabin - a 
very nice cabin that had been Suzuki's." Apparently, 
Baker and Anna never left the cabin but everyone 
noticed her shoes outside the door.

Read more:

'It's a Double Mirror!'
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/shoes.htm

"There is just so much wrong with this article 
that I hardly know where to begin." - Uncle Tantra  

Read more:

From: Willytex
Subject: Leave your shoes outside the door!
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Mon, Dec 27 2004
http://tinyurl.com/5s3taz

[FairfieldLife] Civilized Shamans

[Richard J. Williams]

According to legend, the 'Bon Tradition', a form 
of Vajrayana Buddhism, was founded by Shenrab 
long before the historical Buddha. But in fact, 
Bon has only existed in Tibet since the 
fourteenth century. 

In reality, practically nothing is known about 
the Bon religion during the period from the 
eighth to the early eleventh centuries because 
the Tibetans didn't even have an alphabet before 
then. So, everything before that is considered 
to be pre-history, just conjecture.

One thing is certain: 'Bon' is a real mix-up!
There is almost nothing in Bonpo Buddhism that
resembles the original historical Buddhism or
the Theravada.

Obviously, the Tibetan 'Bon' tradition is an 
enigma: Both the counter-clockwise swastika 
and the number nine are of great significance. 
Who can figure that one out? Talk about getting 
everything backwards. 

But in fact, modern Bon teachings are nothing 
more than another form of 'TM', which they call 
'Dzogchen', or meditation, in which there is 
an energetic use of sound and mantra: 

"...silence the noise of the mindstream within 
the bodymind to reveal rigpa -- a transcendent 
natural bodymind where the obscuration of 
dualism and dukkha..."

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6n

The average TMer would probably get nothing out 
of attending a Bonpo yoga camp meet, since a 
TMer would presumably already know how to 
experience the 'rigpa', that is, the Transcendent.

Other titles of interest:

"Both books acknowledge the role of the Bon 
religion, but Samuels is more inclined to be 
skeptical of Bon claims to pre-date Buddhism. 
Samuels also seems more inclined to acknowledge 
at times limitations in our knowledge of Tibetan 
history."

Read more:

'Nine Ways of Bon'
by David Snellgrove
Orchid Press (January 30, 2009
Amazon comments:
http://tinyurl.com/5vdv3q

Read more:

'Civilized Shamans'
by Geoffrey Samuel
Smithsonian Books, 1993
Amazon comments:
http://tinyurl.com/5twsno

[FairfieldLife] ARE YOU LIVING IN THE CONSTITUTION FREE ZONE?

[The Secret]

Homeland Security Assuming Broad Powers, Turning Vast Swaths of U.S.
into "Constitution-Free Zone"

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstitutionfreezone.html

[FairfieldLife] AEGTC, Switzerland 1976

[Richard J. Williams]

"Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It 
was as if the 'Hammer of God' was slamming that 
table. He then exclaimed loudly, 'This is real
wholeness!' 

He was laughing when he finished saying this. 
We were all moved to hear Maharishi share his 
personal experience with us - you could have 
heard a pin drop in the room. 

No one was struggling anymore - the competition 
for attention was momentarily suspended. 
Everyone was holding their breath to see what 
would happen next." 

Read more:

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: Willytex
Date: Thurs, Aug 26 2004
Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976
http://tinyurl.com/6odzrw

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > > 
> > > I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions
> > 
> > You did your part, Curtis. And you're doing
> > more of it now.
> 
> I have distorted nothing by asking you to back up your claim
> of a death threat.

The distortion was (and is) to play along with
Barry by making a huge deal of a nitpick about
a passing reference.


> > Tell that to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Sklar
> > and all the others who were outraged by his
> > recommendation that somebody "take Hillary into
> > a room and only he comes out."
> 
> Let me help deflate the self importance a bit here.  You are
> not a public figure.  The problem with what Keith said was
> that it might incite some crazy person to carry it out.

None of what I've read even suggested this. That
wasn't what the outrage was about.

Olbermann had already acquired quite a reputation
for misogynistic remarks about women--not just
public figures, either--and this was the last
straw.

I know you don't believe that casual acceptance
of misgynistic language--especially violent
misogynistic language--puts women at risk, but
again, that leaves you in disagreement with most
people who are concerned about women's welfare.

Most abuse of women takes place in private. So
your "public figure" spin is just that, spin,
and pretty transparent at that.

Sklar:

"Can you imagine if some right-winger had talked about
getting Obama out of the race 'the old-fashioned way?' If
that last one makes you cringe, it should, because it
evokes a history of violence against black people in this
country that is raw and real. Well, frankly, the same goes
for women — many of whom have been taken somewhere private,
and never returned."

One blogger Sklar links to wrote:

"It is never a joking matter when a man takes a woman into
a room to physically assault her in an attempt to get her
to comply to some demand. Those of us who have actually
been through the process find your thoughtless remark
incredibly damaging to the years of progress we have made
in preventing domestic violence, rape, sexual harrassment
and other gender related offenses."


> > He's the kind of person who fantasizes about
> > murdering raunchydog and me. I don't draw a strict
> > line between "You dumb angry cunts, you don't
> > deserve to live" and "You dumb angry cunts, I'm
> > going to kill you."
> 
> Are we back to square one?  Are you really claiming that
> Barry is fantasizing murdering you two?

Whether he fantasized himself doing the murdering,
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

> Got any more quotes for me

As I've already pointed out, the reason Barry got
so frantic was that he slipped up this time and
revealed more than he wanted to about his "inner
life." Usually he's more careful.

But you should go back and look at some of his
other fantasies about me. It's not that big a
leap. At one point he hopefully asked if I'd had
a cancer checkup recently, for example. And there
have been others along the lines of how I don't
have that many years left.


> > But I referred to it only in passing, WITHOUT
> > MENTIONING BARRY.
> 
> Yeah, it was a big jump to figure out who you were
> talking about.

Think that could be because Barry OUTED HIMSELF
before I ever said who I was referring to?


> >   Your inability to cop to making a false accusation is
> > > revealing.
> > 
> > Bullshit. I don't consider it false.
> 
> That's convenient, isn't it?  So I guess if people don't
> view their remarks as sexist or misogynistic it doesn't
> count.  What a great out!

Bogus as hell, and you know it. Sexist/misogynist
remarks generally aren't a matter of true or false.
You can disagree with how I see Barry's fantasies,
but to say my view is "false" is just as absurd as
it would be for me to say it's false to call Palin
a "bimbo." Those aren't factual issues, they have
to do with one's perspective.

> > > Trying to shame the whole group for not rescuing you and
> > > Raunchy from having words directed towards you by Barry
> > > is very lame Judy.
> > 
> > At this point, you know you're talking bullshit.
> 
> Your words Judy:
> > The closest anybody (except raunchydog) has come
> > to rebuking Barry for posting those fantasies is
> > Curtis, who admitted they were "a bit heavy-handed."

And in your mind that constitutes "rescuing us
from having words directed towards us by Barry"?

FAIL.

As you yourself pointed out, raunchydog and I
don't have any problem defending ourselves.

The point, of course, is that what Barry said
shouldn't be considered acceptable by decent-
minded people, no matter WHO he said it about.

> > > Putting yourself above everyone else here as if you are
> > > the model of what is moral and what is ethical
> > 
> > Compared to most on this group, I don't have to
> > come anywhere near being a "model" of morality
> > and ethics to have more of 'em.
> 
> Nice group put down.  How's that judgmental as

[FairfieldLife] Re: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976

[pranamoocher]

...And then Jay woke up to "reality".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It
> was as if the 'Hammer of God' was slamming that
> table. He then exclaimed loudly, 'This is real
> wholeness!'
>
> He was laughing when he finished saying this.
> We were all moved to hear Maharishi share his
> personal experience with us - you could have
> heard a pin drop in the room.
>
> No one was struggling anymore - the competition
> for attention was momentarily suspended.
> Everyone was holding their breath to see what
> would happen next."
>
> Read more:
>
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> From: Willytex
> Date: Thurs, Aug 26 2004
> Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976
> http://tinyurl.com/6odzrw
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[lurkernomore20002000]

Like the old preacher said to the young preacher, "If you don't 
strike gold in five minutes, stop boring"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I completely concur.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM, pranamoocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  *Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What 
a bore.
> > Get to the point, Lou!
> >
> > Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.
> >
> >
> > *
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > http://yogavisionaries.com/monthly.php?update=nov08
> > >
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Hillary Sexism Watch Posted at Shakesville 1 of 82

[raunchydog]

Q: What's the going rate for indisputable proving to the world that you
a re a tiny little man who is profoundly afriad of women?
Posted by Melissa McEwan, Thursday, September 06, 2007

http://tinyurl.com/55ee4j 



A: $19.95
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[curtisdeltablues]

We are in agreement that Olbermann's comment was way out of line.

I wasn't playing along with Barry, I was the first person to bring the
question up. 

What we consider nitpicking is different.  I don't follow your feud
with Barry too closely and miss many posts between you, so I was
genuinely alarmed that it had gone as far as a death threat.  I was
relived to find that it was not true.  

We also differ in perspective about women's issues.  In my environment
there are cultural issues of how some countries treat women that make
me feel that most of the sexist language in the US is nitpicking.  In
many cases picking someone's language apart for signs of sexism is an
excuse to argue.  It falls into the area of being "touchy" and being
easily offended.  

The tie to woman's violence for people posting here is bogus IMO. But
guys say all sorts of things to each other when competing for power. 
Any woman who wants to fight men for political power had better get
off the sexist claims real fast if they want to be taken seriously. 
Most of the other countries we have to deal with in difficult issues
are completely sexist.  Nobody is changing the rules to make way for
anyone too delicate to deal with sexist comments.  They need to
understand the difference between sticks and stones, and words.

 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > I hope you are not including me among the distorting minions
> > > 
> > > You did your part, Curtis. And you're doing
> > > more of it now.
> > 
> > I have distorted nothing by asking you to back up your claim
> > of a death threat.
> 
> The distortion was (and is) to play along with
> Barry by making a huge deal of a nitpick about
> a passing reference.
> 
> 
> > > Tell that to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Sklar
> > > and all the others who were outraged by his
> > > recommendation that somebody "take Hillary into
> > > a room and only he comes out."
> > 
> > Let me help deflate the self importance a bit here.  You are
> > not a public figure.  The problem with what Keith said was
> > that it might incite some crazy person to carry it out.
> 
> None of what I've read even suggested this. That
> wasn't what the outrage was about.
> 
> Olbermann had already acquired quite a reputation
> for misogynistic remarks about women--not just
> public figures, either--and this was the last
> straw.
> 
> I know you don't believe that casual acceptance
> of misgynistic language--especially violent
> misogynistic language--puts women at risk, but
> again, that leaves you in disagreement with most
> people who are concerned about women's welfare.
> 
> Most abuse of women takes place in private. So
> your "public figure" spin is just that, spin,
> and pretty transparent at that.
> 
> Sklar:
> 
> "Can you imagine if some right-winger had talked about
> getting Obama out of the race 'the old-fashioned way?' If
> that last one makes you cringe, it should, because it
> evokes a history of violence against black people in this
> country that is raw and real. Well, frankly, the same goes
> for women — many of whom have been taken somewhere private,
> and never returned."
> 
> One blogger Sklar links to wrote:
> 
> "It is never a joking matter when a man takes a woman into
> a room to physically assault her in an attempt to get her
> to comply to some demand. Those of us who have actually
> been through the process find your thoughtless remark
> incredibly damaging to the years of progress we have made
> in preventing domestic violence, rape, sexual harrassment
> and other gender related offenses."
> 
> 
> > > He's the kind of person who fantasizes about
> > > murdering raunchydog and me. I don't draw a strict
> > > line between "You dumb angry cunts, you don't
> > > deserve to live" and "You dumb angry cunts, I'm
> > > going to kill you."
> > 
> > Are we back to square one?  Are you really claiming that
> > Barry is fantasizing murdering you two?
> 
> Whether he fantasized himself doing the murdering,
> I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.
> 
> > Got any more quotes for me
> 
> As I've already pointed out, the reason Barry got
> so frantic was that he slipped up this time and
> revealed more than he wanted to about his "inner
> life." Usually he's more careful.
> 
> But you should go back and look at some of his
> other fantasies about me. It's not that big a
> leap. At one point he hopefully asked if I'd had
> a cancer checkup recently, for example. And there
> have been others along the lines of how I don't
> have that many years left.
> 
> 
> > > But I referred to it only in passing, WITHOUT
> > > MENTIONING BARRY.
> > 
> > Yeah, it was a big jump to figure out who you were
> > talking about.
> 
> Think that could be because Barry OUTED HIMSELF
> before I ever said who I was referring to?
> 
> 
> > >   Your inability to cop to making a false accusation is
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Homeless Voters may List Park Benches as Addresses

[raunchydog]

Judge Rules Ohio Homeless Voters may List Park Benches as Addresses
Tuesday,  October 28, 2008 1:32 PM http://tinyurl.com/6pbzxy

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A federal judge in Ohio has ruled that counties
must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations
that aren't buildings as their addresses. 
U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus also ruled that provisional ballots
can't be invalidated because of poll worker errors.
Monday's ruling resolved the final two pieces of a settlement between
the Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless and Secretary of State
Jennifer Brunner.
The coalition agreed to drop a constitutional challenge to Ohio's
voter identification law until after the Nov. 4 election. In return,
Brunner and the coalition agreed on procedures to verify provisional
ballots across all Ohio counties.
The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional
ballots would disenfranchise some voters.

[FairfieldLife] Alas-MMY's prediction coming true!

[BillyG.]

"...rule by the least common denominator." MMYJudge rules Ohio
homeless voters may list park benches as addresses. Story below:

http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

Common Obama voters:

1) Labor Unions (The democrat party bureaucracies)
2) Trial Attorneys
3) Lesbian and Homosexual lobbies.
4) Illegal Aliens (when they can vote).
5) Welfare dependent.
6) Homeless people and convicted felons.
7) Government employees.
8) Blacks in the 90 percentile.

Did I miss any?

Can you see where our Country is going?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We are in agreement that Olbermann's comment was way
> out of line.

We are not in agreement about *why* he was out
of line. We are not in agreement that his remark
was irrelevant to this current controversy because
he was speaking of a public figure.

> I wasn't playing along with Barry, I was the first person
> to bring the question up.

You most certainly were not; Barry was. He had
already made three hysterical posts, and several
other people had also weighed in, before you had
said a word. You came in very much in the middle.

> What we consider nitpicking is different.  I don't follow your
> feud with Barry too closely and miss many posts between you,
> so I was genuinely alarmed that it had gone as far as a death
> threat.

Perfectly reasonable to ask me to clarify,
although if you'd read the traffic in between
my post and your response, you'd already have
known what it was all about, because Barry
had 'fessed up and even quoted his own post.

> I was relived to find that it was not true.

You were relieved to find out that it wasn't
a *literal* death threat.

> We also differ in perspective about women's issues.  In my
> environment there are cultural issues of how some countries
> treat women that make me feel that most of the sexist language
> in the US is nitpicking.  In many cases picking someone's
> language apart for signs of sexism is an excuse to argue.  It
> falls into the area of being "touchy" and being easily
> offended.

As I said, you're in disagreement with most of
the people who are genuinely concerned about the
treatment of women in this society.

That the treatment of women is worse in other
societies is not an excuse to indulge
manifestations of misogyny in this one.

> The tie to woman's violence for people posting here is 
> bogus IMO.

The posts on this forum don't exist in a vacuum.
They represent attitudes that are, unfortunately,
quite widespread, which most who are concerned
about women's issues believe perpetuate, reinforce,
and encourage a view of women that leads to their
mistreatment by men, up to and including murder.

There doesn't have to be a direct connection,
Curtis--such that one of the men here goes out
and abuses a woman because he's read an abusive
post--for the attitude represented by such posts
to have harmful consequences.

In whatever context it pops up, however it 
manifests itself, that attitude should be
criticized and condemned by those concerned with
women's welfare, in the same way those concerned
with the welfare of minorities react to racist
and bigoted attitudes.

Casual racism is no longer acceptable in this
society. Casual misogyny should not be
acceptable either.

> But guys say all sorts of things to each other when competing
> for power. Any woman who wants to fight men for political power
> had better get off the sexist claims real fast if they want to
> be taken seriously. Most of the other countries we have to deal
> with in difficult issues are completely sexist.  Nobody is
> changing the rules to make way for anyone too delicate to deal
> with sexist comments.  They need to understand the difference 
> between sticks and stones, and words.

We understand the difference. We also understand
the connection, as you apparently do not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Any woman who wants to fight men for political power had better get
> off the sexist claims real fast if they want to be taken seriously.

This is one good reason why women should object to sexist language,
its purpose is to diminish a woman so that she WON'T be taken seriously. 

> Most of the other countries we have to deal with in difficult issues
> are completely sexist.  

Economic inequality of women in other countries contributes greatly to
their abuse. Equal pay for equal work is worth fighting for. Our poor
economy foreshadows more domestic abuse. The USA should set the
standard for fair treatment of women. 

Nobody is changing the rules to make way for
> anyone too delicate to deal with sexist comments.  They need to
> understand the difference between sticks and stones, and words.

Unfortunately, sticks and stones used as controlling weapons against
women are all too real in many countries. Women are more fortunate in
the USA but it didn't happen without fighting for the vote and our
rights. Speaking out against misogyny preserves the rights of women
and prevents erosion of the rights we have won.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[Jonathan Chadwick]

Actually Lee was a sensitive, extremely talented, wonderful human being - one 
of the most genuine of showpeople.

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, I am the eternal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: I am the eternal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:37 PM






I completely concur.  


On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM, pranamoocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:


Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What a bore.
Get to the point, Lou!

Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.





--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://yogavisionar ies.com/monthly. php?update= nov08
>

 














  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote: 
> > Any woman who wants to fight men for political power had better get
> > off the sexist claims real fast if they want to be taken seriously.
> 
> This is one good reason why women should object to sexist language,
> its purpose is to diminish a woman so that she WON'T be taken
seriously. 

Sexist language is a dickish move.  I'm not defending it or saying
women shouldn't speak up if someone is acting dickish in any way,
sexist or not.  My point was that women in politics don't win anything
by paying attention to sexist language.  It makes the men think
"weak", we can destroy her with words.

I agree with the rest of what you wrote.  Especially this:

 



> 
> > Most of the other countries we have to deal with in difficult issues
> > are completely sexist.  
> 
> Economic inequality of women in other countries contributes greatly to
> their abuse. Equal pay for equal work is worth fighting for. Our poor
> economy foreshadows more domestic abuse. The USA should set the
> standard for fair treatment of women. 
> 
> Nobody is changing the rules to make way for
> > anyone too delicate to deal with sexist comments.  They need to
> > understand the difference between sticks and stones, and words.
> 
> Unfortunately, sticks and stones used as controlling weapons against
> women are all too real in many countries. Women are more fortunate in
> the USA but it didn't happen without fighting for the vote and our
> rights. Speaking out against misogyny preserves the rights of women
> and prevents erosion of the rights we have won.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[curtisdeltablues]

> 
> > I wasn't playing along with Barry, I was the first person
> > to bring the question up.
> 
> You most certainly were not; Barry was. He had
> already made three hysterical posts, and several
> other people had also weighed in, before you had
> said a word. You came in very much in the middle.

I stand corrected.  In my first post on the topic I actually mentioned
agreeing with Barry that we needed proof. Oops!

As far as your points on the importance of women's rights, of course I
agree.  I'm sure if I was a woman I would be the first to call people
on sexist language for its own sake, not because it has been linked to
violence.  In my neighborhood it is violence that is linked with
violence. 

In fact I'll join you by condemning two of the most sexist people in
history, the Holy Tradition's own Shankara, and the woman-phobic Guru
Dev.  The Crest Jewel of Discrimination is one of the most sexist
scriptures on the planet.

"A wise man views women as corpses, bags of urine and feces."  Shankara

What a saint!

And Guru Dev's refusal to be in the same room with any women sent a
terrible message to women and men who looked at him as a spiritual
leader.  

I would think any woman who is serious about women's issues would want
to join me in condemning these two men.

[FairfieldLife] Now THAT'S one inspirational Democrat !

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-6DpC-mj8

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As far as your points on the importance of women's rights, of
> course I agree.  I'm sure if I was a woman I would be the
> first to call people on sexist language for its own sake, not
> because it has been linked to violence.

No, you don't agree with me. I'm saying men
who are concerned with the treatment of women
should also call men (and women, if necessary)
on sexist and misogynist language, both "for
its own sake" and because such language
represents a lack of respect for women that
leads to their mistreatment, physically and
in many other ways as well.

> In fact I'll join you by condemning two of the most sexist
> people in history, the Holy Tradition's own Shankara, and
> the woman-phobic Guru Dev.

They're dead, so that's pretty safe.

How about condemning some real live men?

  The Crest Jewel of Discrimination
> is one of the most sexist scriptures on the planet.
> 
> "A wise man views women as corpses, bags of urine and feces."
> Shankara

Think he meant that literally, Curtis?

Or was it metaphorical?

This is my 50th; I'm outta here.

[FairfieldLife] Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[ve-da]

.



Tat Wale Baba  - a friend of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  -  has said:



__



 Tat Wale Baba:

 That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there already.
 Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our
 awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You
 don't have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent
 bliss, satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would
 have come by now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not.
 Therefore, that which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to
 look in the outside. And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or
 beliefs; Christians or Mormons or Hindus. That being is the knowledge
 itself. Only, you have to know. All these various manifestations of
 happiness that we experience in the world, they also are the
 manifestations of the same eternal being which is our own Self. If we
 are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine. Otherwise, we have to be.
 And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our awareness deep within
 ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self, so
 intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day
 life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining
 in the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of
 detaching ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having
 known It, then, all different manifestations in the world will be
 experienced as manifestations of That. We don't have to detach
 ourselves. It is just a matter of bringing the awareness to that area,
 and be, and live It.

 Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have
 known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful
 diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of
 giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted
 that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous
 system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this
 relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And,
 we will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or
 in the next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with
 the assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it
 quickly. Why postpone?


 Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be
 asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies.


 Student: Can he tell us of his master and the tradition he follows?

 TWB: The Self is free from any tradition or nontradition.

 MMY (adding his own comment): He is from the tradition of Shukadev.
 Shukadev was like him, not of this world. Away from it.

 Student: Can he tell us what kind of meditation he does?

 TWB: I am established in Vedanta and that way we talk about it, and we
 be. There is no practice as such.

 Student: What do you think about Transcendental Meditation?

 TWB: Transcendental Consciousness is the basis of all experience. Pure
 Consciousness is That through which we experience. That is not a thing
 which one can experience. And, all this world is in a state of Pure
 Consciousness, and it is through That that we experience everything.
 Pure Consciousness, or Transcendental Consciousness is nothing that we
 experience. Through That we are experiencing everything. That is the
 basis of all experience, and experiencing. So enjoy that state.

 Student: Is it possible to increase one's capacity to enjoy that state?

 TWB: We can increase it to any great extent through meditation. And as
 we go deeper, That will shine forth in our life outside. So, it's
 possible to increase our ability to be That. And, that is through
 meditation.

 Student: Does he have any techniques that he teaches his disciples?

 TWB: We are sitting in the forest, and when we are sitting in the forest
 we have some purpose to perform, and with that we are sitting. If some
 seeker comes and asks, fine. We give advice. Otherwise, we don't have
 much time. We are in the forest, and we are in the forest for some
 purpose. But, if some seeker comes, fine. His doubts are cleared and
 removed.

 Student: Does he think that his way of life helps the rest of mankind or
 only him?

 TWB: All these saints meditating and established in the Self, they are
 the basis for all this running of the entire universe, and they are the
 basis of the whole thing, and not for themselves alone. Their good
 vibrations are influencing societies for their advancement.

 Student: Like a powerhouse?

 TWB: Like a powerhouse. The powerhouse is in Delhi and the bulb is
 shining here. It is not the bulb that is shining. It's the power from
 the powerhouse. It is the saints established in their Self who are
 infusing life into the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[I am the eternal]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
>
>  Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be
>  asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>  translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies.
>
>
The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like Maharishi's
is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from English/Hindi.  Tat Wale
Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a cricket match
Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[enlightened_dawn11]

life 101.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> .
> 
> 
> 
> Tat Wale Baba  - a friend of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  -  has said:
> 
> 
> 
> __
> 
> 
> 
>  Tat Wale Baba:
> 
>  That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there 
already.
>  Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only 
our
>  awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is 
there. You
>  don't have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that 
omnipresent
>  bliss, satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it 
would
>  have come by now through so many avenues in the world. But, it 
has not.
>  Therefore, that which is the Self is your own being. You don't 
have to
>  look in the outside. And, it is irrespective of any religious 
faiths or
>  beliefs; Christians or Mormons or Hindus. That being is the 
knowledge
>  itself. Only, you have to know. All these various manifestations 
of
>  happiness that we experience in the world, they also are the
>  manifestations of the same eternal being which is our own Self. 
If we
>  are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine. Otherwise, we have to 
be.
>  And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our awareness deep within
>  ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self, so
>  intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to 
day
>  life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; 
remaining
>  in the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of
>  detaching ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and 
having
>  known It, then, all different manifestations in the world will be
>  experienced as manifestations of That. We don't have to detach
>  ourselves. It is just a matter of bringing the awareness to that 
area,
>  and be, and live It.
> 
>  Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we 
have
>  known that element of the Self, then we have really used this 
wonderful
>  diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is 
capable of
>  giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have 
wasted
>  that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human 
nervous
>  system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in 
this
>  relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. 
And,
>  we will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this 
life, or
>  in the next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. 
Therefore, with
>  the assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it
>  quickly. Why postpone?
> 
> 
>  Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions 
to be
>  asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>  translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies.
> 
> 
>  Student: Can he tell us of his master and the tradition he 
follows?
> 
>  TWB: The Self is free from any tradition or nontradition.
> 
>  MMY (adding his own comment): He is from the tradition of 
Shukadev.
>  Shukadev was like him, not of this world. Away from it.
> 
>  Student: Can he tell us what kind of meditation he does?
> 
>  TWB: I am established in Vedanta and that way we talk about it, 
and we
>  be. There is no practice as such.
> 
>  Student: What do you think about Transcendental Meditation?
> 
>  TWB: Transcendental Consciousness is the basis of all experience. 
Pure
>  Consciousness is That through which we experience. That is not a 
thing
>  which one can experience. And, all this world is in a state of 
Pure
>  Consciousness, and it is through That that we experience 
everything.
>  Pure Consciousness, or Transcendental Consciousness is nothing 
that we
>  experience. Through That we are experiencing everything. That is 
the
>  basis of all experience, and experiencing. So enjoy that state.
> 
>  Student: Is it possible to increase one's capacity to enjoy that 
state?
> 
>  TWB: We can increase it to any great extent through meditation. 
And as
>  we go deeper, That will shine forth in our life outside. So, it's
>  possible to increase our ability to be That. And, that is through
>  meditation.
> 
>  Student: Does he have any techniques that he teaches his 
disciples?
> 
>  TWB: We are sitting in the forest, and when we are sitting in the 
forest
>  we have some purpose to perform, and with that we are sitting. If 
some
>  seeker comes and asks, fine. We give advice. Otherwise, we don't 
have
>  much time. We are in the forest, and we are in the forest for some
>  purpose. But, if some seeker comes, fine. His doubts are cleared 
and
>  removed.
> 
>  Student: Does he think that his way of life helps the rest of 
mankind or
>  only him?
> 
>  TWB: All these saints meditating and established in the Self, 
they are
>  the basis for all this running of the entire universe, and they 
are the
>  basis of the whole thing, and not for themselves alone. Their good
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet

[lurkernomore20002000]

I once picked out a puppy from a litter, and named him Liberace.  He 
was the peaonist of  the group.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually Lee was a sensitive, extremely talented, wonderful human 
being - one of the most genuine of showpeople.
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, I am the eternal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> From: I am the eternal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino makes a safe bet
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:37 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I completely concur.  
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM, pranamoocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Lou Valentino goes on forever, wearing out his readers.  What a 
bore.
> Get to the point, Lou!
> 
> Also, Lou looks like the Liberace of New Age Astrologers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> >
> > http://yogavisionar ies.com/monthly. php?update= nov08
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[enlightened_dawn11]

the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of 
consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of 
consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >  Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for 
questions to be
> >  asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi
> >  translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies.
> >
> >
> The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like 
Maharishi's
> is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from 
English/Hindi.  Tat Wale
> Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a 
cricket match
> Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
>

[FairfieldLife] Does going to MUM make sense?

[shanti18411]

  I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having psychological
problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga community for 
30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
would do better going to a college that had an eastern philosophical basis
(it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) and
also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me what
my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I would
appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life who can
give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible assessment
about how this individual might fair at MUM.
Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin

[FairfieldLife] Re: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976

[enlightened_dawn11]

"For my whole life I've always seen everything as distinctly 
different from everything else. In this experience, my intellect 
reversed its role and perceived everything to be the same."

nice.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It 
> was as if the 'Hammer of God' was slamming that 
> table. He then exclaimed loudly, 'This is real
> wholeness!' 
> 
> He was laughing when he finished saying this. 
> We were all moved to hear Maharishi share his 
> personal experience with us - you could have 
> heard a pin drop in the room. 
> 
> No one was struggling anymore - the competition 
> for attention was momentarily suspended. 
> Everyone was holding their breath to see what 
> would happen next." 
> 
> Read more:
> 
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> From: Willytex
> Date: Thurs, Aug 26 2004
> Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976
> http://tinyurl.com/6odzrw
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[enlightened_dawn11]

why be ruled by the psychologist? sounds like the family isn't well 
integrated in the society (western) in  which they live. I'd 
recommend the child to go to a school where he is exposed to more 
than one point of view, and teach him TM, and he should work his way 
through college at a real job. my 2 cents...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti18411" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having 
psychological
> problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga 
community for 
> 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> would do better going to a college that had an eastern 
philosophical basis
> (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) and
> also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me 
what
> my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I 
would
> appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life who 
can
> give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible 
assessment
> about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[I am the eternal]

Really?  Perhaps you don't read the same Gita as I do.  I don't have a
translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on
"denying the senses" was that it had nothing to do with austerities;  that
the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects of
perception.  By transcending and establishing that in our consciousness we
"deny" our senses.

People who experience don't say the same things.  Then of course there's
exactly how Hindi translates to English.

Maharishi was using his words to describe enlightenment in the exchange, I
assert.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of
> consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of
> consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for
> questions to be
> > >  asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh
> Yogi
> > >  translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies.
> > >
> > >
> > The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like
> Maharishi's
> > is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from
> English/Hindi.  Tat Wale
> > Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a
> cricket match
> > Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
> >
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[bob_brigante]

>  I don't have a
> translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on
> "denying the senses" was that it had nothing to do with austerities;  
that
> the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects 
of
> perception.  By transcending and establishing that in our 
consciousness we
> "deny" our senses.
> 



MMY Gita commentary, ChII, v.64:

(Krisha):
But he who is self-disciplined, who moves among the objects of the 
senses with the senses freed from attachment and aversion and under his 
own control, he attains to 'grace.'

(MMY):
'Grace' here means delight and wholeness, resulting from the state of 
pure consciousness.

This verse contrasts with the two preceding verses. Having explained to 
Arjuna the plight of those who surrender themselves to the call of 
desire without possessing control of the senses, the Lord, in this 
verse, shows him the reward gained by the man who disciplines himself 
before plunging into worldly life.

The Lord here explains the status of the integrated man. He is 
established in the Self, and by virtue of this, even when he acts in 
the field of the senses and experiences their objects, he is not lost 
in them; maintaining his status in Being, he quite naturally maintains 
evenness of mind. His sense of values is balanced. Acting in the world, 
he is not lost in it. He is above attachment and detachment, contented 
in himself, not bound by anything.

The results of reaching this state of blissful freedom are described in 
the verses that follow.

[FairfieldLife] Bush Trying to Pardon Himself

[Bhairitu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwoFcLgxA0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti18411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
>   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having psychological
> problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga 
community for 
> 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> would do better going to a college that had an eastern 
philosophical basis
> (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) and
> also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me 
what
> my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I 
would
> appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life who 
can
> give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible 
assessment
> about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
>


If the son's psychological problems manifest as homicidal tendencies, 
he should find a home in MUM.

As the son unstresses and starts to maim and knife people, you can 
count on administration to look the other way as they have a long 
tradition of not reporting such behaviour to law 
enforcement...despite their own written policy to the contrary.

This is where the Maharishi Effect comes in handy. To cook the books 
(i.e. maintain the integrity and claims of the ME), you see, crime in 
and around MUM has to be kept low so if this young man can be 
expected to "fly off the handle", so to speak, why should this go on 
his record to follow him around like a puppy dog for this rest of 
life?  That just wouldn't be fair.

MUM is a perfect place to unstress.  Neither the administration, 
staff, students, nor the boy himself will be expected to take 
personal responsibility for his actions as society in general and 
George Bush in particular can be held to blame. "Bad vibes" and the 
karma of the red-meat-eating American middle class can be deemed the 
culprit of any crimes or misdemeanors the boy may be inclined to 
commit.

Yes, I heartily recommend MUM for anyone with "psychological 
problems."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alas-MMY's prediction coming true!

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "...rule by the least common denominator." MMYJudge rules Ohio
> homeless voters may list park benches as addresses. Story below:
>
>
http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerul\
e.html?sid=101

>
> Common Obama voters:
>
> 1) Labor Unions (The democrat party bureaucracies)
> 2) Trial Attorneys
> 3) Lesbian and Homosexual lobbies.
> 4) Illegal Aliens (when they can vote).
> 5) Welfare dependent.
> 6) Homeless people and convicted felons.
> 7) Government employees.
> 8) Blacks in the 90 percentile.
>
> Did I miss any?>>

Yes, British voters going where they want, at the time and place of
their choosing, and taking over you dumbasses to bring your country back
from the brink of stupidity that you have brought it to. We only fucking
loaned it to you, and you fucked up. Now its ours.

OffWorld
>
> Can you see where our Country is going?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shanti18411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
>   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having psychological
> problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga community
for
> 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> would do better going to a college that had an eastern philosophical
basis
> (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) and
> also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me what
> my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I would
> appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life who can
> give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible assessment
> about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
>

Psychologists manifest a form of psychosis. Ignore them.
The kid should learn TM first, see if he likes it, then decide.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti18411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
>   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having psychological
> problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga 
community for 
> 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> would do better going to a college that had an eastern 
philosophical basis
> (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) and
> also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me 
what
> my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I 
would
> appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life who 
can
> give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible 
assessment
> about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
>


***

Really disturbed individuals should not attend MUM -- I have 
certainly seen a fair share of aroundthebend unfortunates there, and 
it's not appropriate for them to be in that highpowered environment. 
The oncampus murder in 2004 is the worst-case expression of very 
troubled kids being inappropriately and tragically placed at MUM.

However, since this young man is under the care of a psychiatrist who 
sees such a placement as appropriate, I doubt that there is a 
question of severe mental illness -- it sounds like the doc is just 
making a recommendation that makes sense for a young man who's trying 
to sort himself out. He should be advised to split from MUM if he is 
at all uncomfortable with the environment, and, of course, to not go 
overboard on the practice time of TM (if necessary -- since some 
people report not being comfortable with doing TM in group sessions --
 he can just fake TM in group environments by closing his eyes and 
not doing TM, while doing his alloted time in his dorm room at his 
convenience, and keeping this to himself instead of burdening the 
lightly-intelligenced overseers at MUM with this info). 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[I am the eternal]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:56 PM, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> >  I don't have a
> > translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on
> > "denying the senses" was that it had nothing to do with austerities;
> that
> > the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects
> of
> > perception.  By transcending and establishing that in our
> consciousness we
> > "deny" our senses.
> >
>
> 
>
> MMY Gita commentary, ChII, v.64:
>
> (Krisha):
> But he who is self-disciplined, who moves among the objects of the
> senses with the senses freed from attachment and aversion and under his
> own control, he attains to 'grace.'
>
> (MMY):
> 'Grace' here means delight and wholeness, resulting from the state of
> pure consciousness.
>
> This verse contrasts with the two preceding verses. Having explained to
> Arjuna the plight of those who surrender themselves to the call of
> desire without possessing control of the senses, the Lord, in this
> verse, shows him the reward gained by the man who disciplines himself
> before plunging into worldly life.
>
> The Lord here explains the status of the integrated man. He is
> established in the Self, and by virtue of this, even when he acts in
> the field of the senses and experiences their objects, he is not lost
> in them; maintaining his status in Being, he quite naturally maintains
> evenness of mind. His sense of values is balanced. Acting in the world,
> he is not lost in it. He is above attachment and detachment, contented
> in himself, not bound by anything.
>
> The results of reaching this state of blissful freedom are described in
> the verses that follow.
>

For all of his flaws, Maharishi explained things very very well, IMO.  A man
worthy of great honor.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do you think will happen?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , TurquoiseB 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , off_world_beings 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you think will happen when Obama looses...due to
> > > election fraud? Will there be riots?
> >
> > If it happens, I certainly hope so.
> >
> > Otherwise, the rest of the world will wisely
> > write of the United States of America as the
> > third-world kleptocracy it is, and move on.>>
> 
> That is true, I think if McCain gets in, then it is the end of the 
> US,



Does that mean you'll be going back to Scotland?

And, if so, can I have your power tools?






> and the dollar will be dropped as trading currency and states that 
take
> the most welfare (red states) will have nothing left.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do you think will happen?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Hood will riot regardless of who wins.
> OB- rioting to celebrate.
> McCain- rioting to vent.
> Head for the hills.














>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do you think will happen when Obama looses...due to election
> fraud?
> > Will there be riots?
> >
> > Time and time again, in state after state, there are news reports of
> > democrats being blocked from voting. It is widespread and could be
> > devastating.
> >
> > FACT: Former republicns that went to jail for such fraud in 2004 and
> now
> > are repentant about it, say that te democrats would have won the
> > election if it were not for fraud by the republicans.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojm_ggSLX7U
> > 
> >
> > Will there be riots on Wednesday 5th Nov?
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...

[enlightened_dawn11]

Tat Wale Baba nor the Maharishi's translation of his words do not 
favor austerities over the householder's life. Tat Wale Baba the man 
was a recluse and so favors that way of life, though he doesn't say 
it is superior in any way.

I agree that one who identified with the Self does not identify with 
the objects of perception.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Really?  Perhaps you don't read the same Gita as I do.  I don't 
have a
> translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's 
spin on
> "denying the senses" was that it had nothing to do with 
austerities;  that
> the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the 
objects of
> perception.  By transcending and establishing that in our 
consciousness we
> "deny" our senses.
> 
> People who experience don't say the same things.  Then of course 
there's
> exactly how Hindi translates to English.
> 
> Maharishi was using his words to describe enlightenment in the 
exchange, I
> assert.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of
> > consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of
> > consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM,  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for
> > questions to be
> > > >  asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi 
Mahesh
> > Yogi
> > > >  translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's 
replies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like
> > Maharishi's
> > > is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from
> > English/Hindi.  Tat Wale
> > > Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a
> > cricket match
> > > Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Autistic intuits that Obama is divine

[shempmcgurk]

I put about as much credibility in this autistic knowing what he is 
talking about as I would a hillbilly who claims that the refrigerator 
sitting on his front porch reflects the image of the Virgin Mary in 
the morning sunlight.

--

Obama and Autism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elaine-hall/obama-and-
autism_b_137571.html


At the presidential debates last week, Senator McCain claimed that 
his running mate, Sarah Palin, knows "more about autism then anyone I 
know." Janet Grillo in her most poignant HP piece My Autistic Son is 
Not a Political Pawn, invited the senator to get out there more. 
Janet, wrote eloquently what so many of us parents of children with 
autism feel. In my travels promoting autism awareness and the film, 
Autism:The Musical, I have met hundreds of people whom I believe know 
more about autism than Sarah Pallin... including my son, Neal. 
Neal is my resident expert on autism. Now 14 years old, Neal was 
adopted from a Russian Orphanage at 23 months, and diagnosed with 
severe autism at age 3 . Neal is non verbal (or as we prefer to refer 
to him "a man of few words") so when he speaks his truth through 
typing - WE LISTEN. 

When he was about 9 years old, he was still being placed by the 
school district in preschool classes. One day after being asked for 
the umpteenth time to put the blue round peg in the blue round hole, 
Neal threw the peg boards at the teacher. The school called him 
aggressive and severely mentally impaired, sentencing him to a 
restricted special education classroom. I knew otherwise. I believed 
he threw the pegs out of boredom, frustrated for not having his 
intellect recognized. I felt that he was capable of much more. 

Fortunately we found Darlene Hansen, a communications and speech 
expert who specializes in working with children like Neal. The first 
day she met him, she drew a four-square grid on a piece of paper with 
the words: Washington D.C., Vote, Bush, Clinton. 

When asked "Who is the President of the United States?" Neal pointed 
to Bush. "Who was President before?" He pointed to Clinton. "Where do 
they live?" He pointed to Washington D.C., " How did they get 
there?" "Vote."

Immediately, we pulled Neal out of the preschool intensive special ed 
class and placed him with an aide in a regular third grade classroom. 
Neal was then mainstreamed in most of his classes doing age-
appropriate work and is acknowledged to be highly intelligent. 

Neal now types his thoughts and feelings on an Alpha Smart typing 
machine with support. Last January at one of his sessions with 
Darlene she asked, ""So, Neal, what have you been thinking about 
lately?" 

"The Elections," he typed on his Alpha Smart keyboard. 

"What about the elections?" asked Darlene. 

"I'm for Obama, he typed." 

"Obama? Why?"

"Obama is for Autism, " he finished. 

That evening my husband and I Googled Obama and Autism. And there it 
was, pages and pages from people with autism. Supporting Obama. We 
found that Obama speaks for all people who cannot speak. Who do not 
have a voice, literally and figuratively. How did Neal know this? I 
hadn't said anything to him, I didn't know myself. Somehow, some way, 
my son with severe autism had picked up this truth. This was several 
months ago when I was undecided between Hillary and Barack. Needless 
to say, Neal influenced my vote. 

Cut to a few weeks ago. Neal refused to go to bed. This is not unlike 
many other teens so I did what any Mom of a stubborn 14 year old 
would do, I started to bribe him, chide him into going to bed. My 
husband, Jeff, however had a bit more insight. "Neal", he said, "It 
looks like you have a lot on your mind: "Would you like to type with 
us?" 

"Yes" Neal nodded. 

I immediately grabbed the Alpha Smart and placed it in front of 
him. "What's on your mind?" Jeff inquired. 

"The President." he typed. 

" What about it?" we asked. 

"Obama," he responded. 

"What about Obama?"

"Enough," Neal typed. 

"Enough what?" I asked. 

"Enough Republican ideology." Neal typed. He continued, "Pallin 
lies." Thank you Neal. He went to bed immediately and slept soundly 
through the night. 

We did not. Worrying about our country's future, our son's future, 
the future of all kids with autism, reflecting on the past. Wanting 
more Obama. 

We now watch the campaign and commentary together as a family every 
night. Neal takes it all in intensely. Last night, Neal was again 
troubled. We asked, about what? 

"Prejudice," he typed. 

"How does it make you feel?"

"Sad and mad... Obama is hope."

Thanks Neal. Thanks for clearly stating what so many of us are 
feeling, sad and mad. And what so many of us need. Hope.

Wishing you all many miracles and reminding you to listen to the 
child who does not speak. 

Elaine Hall Founder/Director The Miracle Project 
www.themiracleproject.com 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "shanti18411" 

> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having 
psychological
> > problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga 
community
> for
> > 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> > longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> > meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> > would do better going to a college that had an eastern 
philosophical
> basis
> > (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) 
and
> > also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> > time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> > suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me 
what
> > my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> > other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> > been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I 
would
> > appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life 
who can
> > give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible 
assessment
> > about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> > Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
> >
> 
> Psychologists manifest a form of psychosis. Ignore them.


OffKilter should know.



> The kid should learn TM first, see if he likes it, then decide.
> 
> OffWorld



It did a world of good for you!  You're such a calm, cool, cucumber.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti18411"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >   I work with a guy who has a 19 y.o son who is having 
psychological
> > problems.This is a family that has been involved in a Yoga 
> community for 
> > 30 yrs.The 19 y.o has been brought up with parents who have been
> > longstanding practitioners of hatha yoga and traditional(non TM )
> > meditation.They have been told by their son's psychiatrist that he
> > would do better going to a college that had an eastern 
> philosophical basis
> > (it would be more compatible with young man's own value system) 
and
> > also a school that would allow him to focus on a few subjects at a
> > time.Their research has led them to consider MUM.(I in no way
> > suggested or encouraged them to do so).My co-worker has asked me 
> what
> > my opinion is.I have not been in Fairfield since 1975.Consequently
> > other than being aware of how weird(at times) the movement has
> > been/is,I'm not sure what MUM itself is like i.e. for students.I 
> would
> > appreciate some input about this from anyone on Fairfield Life 
who 
> can
> > give a fair and as unbiased(either good or bad)as possible 
> assessment
> > about how this individual might fair at MUM.
> > Thank you in advance for your comments.Kevin
> >
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> Really disturbed individuals should not attend MUM -- I have 
> certainly seen a fair share of aroundthebend unfortunates there, 
and 
> it's not appropriate for them to be in that highpowered 
environment. 
> The oncampus murder in 2004 is the worst-case expression of very 
> troubled kids being inappropriately and tragically placed at MUM.
> 
> However, since this young man is under the care of a psychiatrist 
who 
> sees such a placement as appropriate, I doubt that there is a 
> question of severe mental illness -- it sounds like the doc is just 
> making a recommendation that makes sense for a young man who's 
trying 
> to sort himself out.



I'd get it in writing...and have it notarized.





> He should be advised to split from MUM if he is 
> at all uncomfortable with the environment, and, of course, to not 
go 
> overboard on the practice time of TM (if necessary -- since some 
> people report not being comfortable with doing TM in group 
sessions --
>  he can just fake TM in group environments by closing his eyes and 
> not doing TM,



Are you friggin' kidding

Absolutely not.

If he can't stand to meditate in the group, he should get out of 
Dodge.  Leave the group meditation room and take a walk around campus 
for 15 minutes...but my no means should anyone intentionally sit with 
a group of meditators not meditating with the eyes closed.  That's 
enough to make the worms really crawl around your Muladhara.





> while doing his alloted time in his dorm room at his 
> convenience, and keeping this to himself instead of burdening the 
> lightly-intelligenced overseers at MUM with this info).
>

[FairfieldLife] Barky Hussein runs away with it...not!

[shempmcgurk]

Why can't Barky close the deal?

The latest Gallup poll puts him ahead by 2 measely points...well within
the margin of error.

Of course, this is without the Bradley Effect factored in:


STRESS BY GALLUP: OBAMA +2

RE: [FairfieldLife] Does going to MUM make sense?

[Rick Archer]

He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then see how he
and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators about his
psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, or have the
latter talk to someone sensible at the university.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then see 
how he
> and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators 
about his
> psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, or 
have the
> latter talk to someone sensible at the university.
>


Rick, 

In your estimation, when he comes for visitor's weekend, should he be 
packing heat?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[pranamoocher]

MIU= Wash, Spin, Dry.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then see
> how he
> > and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators
> about his
> > psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, or
> have the
> > latter talk to someone sensible at the university.
> >
>
>
> Rick,
>
> In your estimation, when he comes for visitor's weekend, should he be
> packing heat?
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:13 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then see 
how he
> and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators 
about his
> psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, or 
have the
> latter talk to someone sensible at the university.
>

Rick, 

In your estimation, when he comes for visitor's weekend, should he be 
packing heat?

Some kids really thrive at MUM. Some don't. If he were to visit, with his
parents, he and they might get a feeling whether it would be right for him.
It would also depends on what subjects interest him. MUM has an innovative
environmental studies program, and a monopoly on SCI, but is probably weaker
than other colleges in many other subjects.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:13 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> >
> > He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then 
see 
> how he
> > and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators 
> about his
> > psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, 
or 
> have the
> > latter talk to someone sensible at the university.
> >
> 
> Rick, 
> 
> In your estimation, when he comes for visitor's weekend, should he 
be 
> packing heat?
> 
> Some kids really thrive at MUM. Some don't. If he were to visit, 
with his
> parents, he and they might get a feeling whether it would be right 
for him.
> It would also depends on what subjects interest him. 



MUM has an innovative
> environmental studies program, and a monopoly on SCI, but is 
probably weaker
> than other colleges in many other subjects.
>


***

MIU used to have a boatload of majors, but they dumped many of them. 
In the current list, I regard the lit major as the only likely weak 
spot:

http://www.mum.edu/programs/

Bachelor's Degrees

Art and Design (B.F.A.) 
Business (B.A.) 
Communications and Media (B.A.) 
Computer Science (B.S.) 
Elementary Education (B.A.) 
Secondary Education (B.A.) 
Literature (B.A.) 
Literature with Emphasis in Writing (B.A.) 
Maharishi Vedic Science (B.A.) 
Mathematical Sciences (B.S.) 
Mathematics (B.S.) 
Physiology and Health (B.A.) 
Physiology and Health (B.S.) — Pre-Med Program 
Sustainable Living (B.S.) 
Minors
A minor can be taken in any undergraduate major and also in the 
following fields of study:

Maharishi Gandharva Veda music 
Physics 
World Peace 
Dance 

[FairfieldLife] Updated polls

[shempmcgurk]