[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: He should come, with his parents, for a visitor's weekend. Then see how he and they feel. He should also be open with campus administrators about his psychological problems. Perhaps bring a letter from his shrink, or have the latter talk to someone sensible at the university. Rick, In your estimation, when he comes for visitor's weekend, should he be packing heat? Ha Ha, Freudian slip by Shemp...who, as a Canadian, has let us know that he lies awake at night just drooling about how one daymaybe one dayhe could be JUST LIKE an Americanand...oh happy day. carry a gunjust like them. Oh the joy, the joy he screams to himself in the dark of that cold Canadian prairie. One day I could be just like them...then he wakes up, the lonely wolves howling in the distance. OffWorld Uh, Genius, I've lived in the United States for the past 14 years, although I still maintain only my Canadian citizenship. Oh, yes, are you that prick that tried to sell bubbling greenhouses to innocent MIU staff, telling them if they didn't give you 1,000 dollars they would all die in Y2K? C'mon Shemp, tell us who you really are (as I have here)... you little neocon coward. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because you chosed the safe mainstream it gives you no right to critizise. Safe and mainstream? What do you think I do for a living Nabby? Playing hillbillymusic in bars. I have a right to judge and criticize Guru Dev for sending a message to women that they were not allowed to be in his presence. Yes, surely you are much better mentally equiped to know what is best for Guru Devs disciples on the other side of the globe trying to stabilize celebacy than Guru Dev. No doubt about that. Everything you write proofs this point. I knew plenty of women on Mother Divine who could have been much more effective teachers than many guys on Purusha, but they were told not to worry their pretty little heads about teaching campaigns and just close their eyes like good little nuns. For modern women to allow such blatant sexism is totally weird. Now the delicate women should go rest now, was their message. Agreed. Many women would be more balanced and feminine if they took more frequent naps. And no curtis, I did not write ALL but MANY women.
[FairfieldLife] Results of the next generation of Americans poll -- Obama wins
http://www.weeklyreader.com/election/ PLEASANTVILLE, N.Y., Oct. 29 /PRNewswire/ -- Just days before Americans choose our next president, voting has concluded in the Weekly Reader Student Presidential Election Poll. And the nation's students resoundingly say that Barack Obama will be the country's next leader. In the 14th Weekly Reader election survey, with more than 125,000 votes cast from kindergarten through 12th grade, the result was Obama 54.7% and John McCain 42.9% (with other candidates receiving 2.5% of the student vote). The Obama victory in the classroom electoral vote was even more resounding: The Democrat won 33 states and the District of Columbia, garnering 420 electoral votes, while McCain took 17 states and 118 electoral votes. For the past 52 years, the results of the Weekly Reader poll have been consistently on target, with the student vote correctly predicting the next president in 12 out of 13 elections. (The only time the kids were wrong was 1992, when they chose George H.W. Bush over Bill Clinton.) This year, as in 2000 and 2004, the student election was conducted in conjunction with noted polling organization Zogby International. Historically, our poll has been an amazing indicator of the presidential race's outcome, so we're all waiting with great anticipation to see what happens on Election Day, said Neal Goff, President of Weekly Reader. Throughout the past few months, we've delivered cutting-edge multimedia election materials directly to schools so that students could cast an informed vote. We're excited to have given kids this important forum to express their opinions about who should be the next president.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:58 PM, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: That's a surprise for me (I'm alumnus from '79). I thought virtually EVERYONE at MIU did TM regularly... and now I'm learning that some people there aren't even initiated? Am I understanding that correctly? Some students come to MUM for a chance for an education in the US and have not yet had the opportunity to learn TM. I once met someone in Annapurna who was from an African country and had not yet learned. That was in the 90s, so it's been going on for a while. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma I met some new students from India and Africa at a welcoming party in August. Most of the new students had not yet learned TM. It's expected that you'll eventually learn TM. Hence the enlightenment reportcard to try to catch people who aren't actualy doing TM but only saying they are. If you think TM induces measurable changes outside of the meditation period, then you believe the system works. If you think TM has no real effect on the physiology of meditators, then you assume that people will be able to game the system. Its only those who think that TM's effects are BAD but real, who should have a problem with this. AFterall, the students are at MUM ostensively because they've agreed to learn and practice TM while at MUM and the folks paying for their scholarships assume that they are telling the truth. Lawson But then if the ME is real just *being* in FF will give you measurable increases in coherence That would be a good test yes?
[FairfieldLife] Countdown To Sanity
Only six days to go and I, for one, am counting the minutes. No matter who wins, the important thing is that this damned election will be OVER. Come next Wednesday morning, either there will be celebrations in the street (if Obama wins) or rioting in the streets (if McCain manages to win as the result of vote theft). And even the rioting would be better IMO than the insanity we've had to endure for the last few months -- in the media, in the world's psychic environment, and here on Fairfield Life. It's been nothing less than toxic, like having to wade through a sewer on a daily basis. The stench of offal has been omni- present and overwhelming, and it has definitely overwhelmed. We have seen -- in the media and on this forum -- normally sane (or at least quasi-sane...sane enough to get through the day without being carted off to the loony bin) people saying and doing the most insane things in the name of nothing more important than being right. We've seen people claim that Barack Obama was a Muslim, a communist, a terrorist, and worse. We've seen people claim that John McCain is a tired, bitter, angry old man who is incapable of making rational decisions about seemingly ANYTHING. (OK, that one is justified. :-)) We've seen those who point out that Sarah Palin is ignorant, arro- gant, and an affront to all women everywhere characterized as misogynists, and by OTHER WOMEN, who should know better. We've seen people beating the blessedly dead horse of a candidate *who is no longer in the race or relevant* as if she was. As the race became more and more certain to favor Obama, we've seen panic overcome the conservatives and Republicans on the group, and endured the spewing of that panic into cyberspace. And we've seen posters on FFL express a level of paranoia so profound that they actually claimed to believe that other posters were fantasizing about murdering them, and claimed (falsely, as even *they* later admitted) that actual death threats had been made against them. It's been a zoo. And not a nice zoo. More like a zoo full of hungry predators and their prey, with no bars separating them. Me, however the election turns out, I'm just counting the minutes until it's over, and the world vibration and this forum can return to some semblance of normality. I look forward to us being able to discuss the really important issues that this forum was created to discuss again. You know, stuff like Are Buddhists really the minions of Satan? Or Is Maharishi really higher and more important than the gods, or merely on their level? Or Is TM really the bestest, most effectivest technique of self development on the planet, and every other technique in history mere moodmaking by comparison? Or Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be? Or Which has historically been more destructive to the world and its inhabitants -- war or religion? We can get back to behavior like demonizing other posters for having a sex life or enjoying a glass of wine from time to time...you know, the important stuff. We can get back to wishing that they rot in Hell for suggesting that Maharishi ever sprang a woodie, much less used it. We can get back to arguing incessantly about things that matter only to the people trying to provoke (and prolong) the arguments. In short, we can get back to the normal, everyday level of insanity that is Fairfield Life, and put the stench of this extraordinary, election-fueled uberinsanity behind us. I don't know about the rest of you, but speaking as a minion of Satan, I look forward to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden H ypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Nelson wrote: Way to go RD! Let's get that wife beater McCain in the White House! Great job! (I didn't know you supported wife beaters Raunch. You are SO open minded!) ++ It seems that the elected officials don't really run the country anyway so a lot energy is wasted getting excited over not much. Mcain @ co. leave a lot to be desired and, O'Bummer with his view of the constitution and the second amendment in particular make him a total disaster. It is possible that it is more entertainment than Gilligan Island reruns-not sure. N. The second amendment scare is just that, a scare. No presidential candidate is going to take away your precious guns. What you're really seeing is market manipulation. The right wing knows certain market segments are easy to manipulate, and gun nuts, being naturally the most fearful, angry and paranoid people out there are an easy target for them. All they have to do is cry (or just hint ) 'candidate X is going to steal our guns!' and in knee-jerk fashion the gun nuts all snap into place like dutiful soldiers. It's so predictable. And they don't even seem to resent being manipulated, that's the bizarre thing. Then once elected they'll scour the nations poor for bodies in their military-industrial jihad for democracy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden H ypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:25 PM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to go RD! Let's get that wife beater McCain in the White House! Great job! (I didn't know you supported wife beaters Raunch. You are SO open minded!) Vaj, Who said anything about wife beating and what brought that up? Are you beating your wife again? Save your energy for stroking Barry's ego. You're stumping for McCain silly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 12:09 AM, sparaig wrote: People with psychological problems should most definitely avoid MUM, as your friends son will no doubt be forced to over-meditate. TM and esp. the TM-Sidhi program have a long history of negative side- effects and can be psychologically unbalancing for those with underlying imbalances. Unlike the Buddhist meditation retreat whose research was published where meditators were warned that they might have lots of issues bubbling up due to the extra meditation Yes many Buddhist long-term retreat settings they will warn of side effects and often delineate what they are and how to handle them. In a recent longitudinal study of Buddhist samadhi meditation where the meditators meditated 8 or more hours a day--often in one continuous piece of absorption--there were no (zero) dropouts. The experience was so compelling, no one wanted to leave the retreat setting, despite the obvious rigors of such a retreat. When the retreat ended after 3 months, some were so compelled they decided to continue! Tell him to check out Naropa (www.naropa.edu). It has an excellent, balanced and psychologically healthy basis, unlike the TM Org. The emphasis at MUM these days seems to be acquiring high-tech visas to snag foreign students who need a way into US jobs and a Green Card. Tell us how you really feel about the university founder, Vaj... He's no longer living, he died of complications from alcohol abuse. I used to think he was a phony. Then last summer his former bodyguard lived with my wife and I for a couple of weeks. It's now clear that he was an unconventional bodhisattva not afraid to get his hands dirty. He would go to any length to help people awaken--and he succeeded greatly. Having also attended a number of his org's retreats, I can also attest that they have the best mass-meditation training I've seen. (And it's free)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Nelson wrote: It seems that the elected officials don't really run the country anyway so a lot energy is wasted getting excited over not much. Mcain @ co. leave a lot to be desired and, O'Bummer with his view of the constitution and the second amendment in particular make him a total disaster. It is possible that it is more ntertainment than Gilligan Island reruns-not sure. N. The second amendment scare is just that, a scare. No presidential candidate is going to take away your precious guns. What you're really seeing is market manipulation. The right wing knows certain market segments are easy to manipulate, and gun nuts, being naturally the most fearful, angry and paranoid people out there are an easy target for them. All they have to do is cry (or just hint ) 'candidate X is going to steal our guns!' and in knee- jerk fashion the gun nuts all snap into place like dutiful soldiers. Exactly. It's so predictable. And they don't even seem to resent being manipulated, that's the bizarre thing. Then once elected they'll scour the nations poor for bodies in their military-industrial jihad for democracy. That's the utterly fascinating karmic aspect to this scenario. Out of curiosity (because in Santa Fe I had an otherwise sane friend, graduate of a divinity school, who was a total gun nut), I have attended gun shows, and spent some time with people who are certified gun freaks. What you say about them being easily manipulatable is an understatement. Even hint that there should be some control over guns and they lose their minds. But the most fascinating thing that one sees at gun shows is what level of society the majority of these gun freaks *come* from. I would estimate that 80% come from the poor-to-lower-middle-class. I have literally stood there at a counter at a gun show and heard parents discussing whether it was more important to buy schoolbooks for their kids or this new Uzi, which after all, is SO easily modified from semi-automatic to full auto that it's almost a *must* to add to their existing home defense arsenal. I asked...as a family, they own a total of 35 guns; the Uzi would be their 36th. They had four sons, all of whom grew up playing with not only toy guns, but real guns. All four *looked forward* to going to Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran when they grew up. So in a way, the gun nuts are effectively removing themselves from the gene pool by raising children who are going to long to become cannon fodder. Many of them will die, and thus not pass their bang bang you're dead genes any further.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden H ypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That's the utterly fascinating karmic aspect to this scenario. Out of curiosity (because in Santa Fe I had an otherwise sane friend, graduate of a divinity school, who was a total gun nut), I have attended gun shows, and spent some time with people who are certified gun freaks. What you say about them being easily manipulatable is an understatement. Even hint that there should be some control over guns and they lose their minds. But the most fascinating thing that one sees at gun shows is what level of society the majority of these gun freaks *come* from. I would estimate that 80% come from the poor-to-lower-middle-class. I've had recent run-ins with gun nuts and I have to say, that would be a darn good guess. I have literally stood there at a counter at a gun show and heard parents discussing whether it was more important to buy schoolbooks for their kids or this new Uzi, which after all, is SO easily modified from semi-automatic to full auto that it's almost a *must* to add to their existing home defense arsenal. I asked...as a family, they own a total of 35 guns; the Uzi would be their 36th. They had four sons, all of whom grew up playing with not only toy guns, but real guns. All four *looked forward* to going to Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran when they grew up. I take it you heard the recent story hear in the US where an eight year old kid was accidentally killed while trying out an Uzi at a gun show! So in a way, the gun nuts are effectively removing themselves from the gene pool by raising children who are going to long to become cannon fodder. Many of them will die, and thus not pass their bang bang you're dead genes any further. I've often marveled at this same bizarre--but quite true--scenario. And how anyone can even imagine themselves as being Patriots or heroes in a war that represents no actual physical threat to the United States is beyond me. Keep 'em dumb, uncultured and under- edurcated seems he key. Bred for war I guess. Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy. At the recent Sarah Palin rally here in Maine I counted no less than 6 references to the NRA, gun rights and the second amendment. The only way the audience reaction could have been any scarier was if Sarah was holding a gun up high while she was (quite literally) working the audience into a frenzy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, Who said anything about wife beating and what brought that up? Are you beating your wife again? Save your energy for stroking Barry's ego. You're stumping for McCain silly. Vaj, You haven't been paying attention. I don't like either candidate. I'm more interested in exposing Obama's as a crappy choice for president than helping McCain. If what I post helps McCain, so be it. I don't think he is correct but from another perspective, OffWorld thinks this post helps Obama: ROTFLMFAO ! ! ! (Rolling on the floor laughing my fat ass off) I am now in the process of posting this all over as the newest attack talking point of the Republicans about Obama. What a joke. This is now national news because of you Raunchy...I know folks in media you cannot even begin to imagine. You just gave the Manchurian candidate McCain yet another chance to loose the election. Thanks for this one, this is going to be great !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who has more experience?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 12:33 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Joe is not a plumber, and his name is not Joe ...Plus I know a lot of REAL plumbers from my former work as a builder, who are voting for Barak Obama. Barak Obama is an expert and former teacher of constitutional law, in addition to having been a consistent voice of reason in politics. In addition, he's not bald, fat, and white at 27 years old like Joe the Plumber. I think Joe, I mean Sam, is actually about 36. Obama is the same age as me, and looks almost as good ! The voice of modesty, our Off. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does going to MUM make sense?
On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Hence the enlightenment reportcard Enlightenment report card?? Is this something new? They've really flipped out... to try to catch people who aren't actualy doing TM but only saying they are. Yes, as we all know, nobody ever goes to the domes to do anything else, like sleep... If you think TM induces measurable changes outside of the meditation period, then you believe the system works. If you think TM has no real effect on the physiology of meditators, then you assume that people will be able to game the system. And heaven forbid anyone should ever try to game the system there, such as it is, and actually think for themselves once in a while... Its only those who think that TM's effects are BAD but real, who should have a problem with this. AFterall, the students are at MUM ostensively because they've agreed to learn and practice TM while at MUM and the folks paying for their scholarships assume that they are telling the truth. Then the idiots in charge of the nuthouse that passes for a school there know even less about human nature than they seem to. Of course people are not always going to tell the truth, esp. about something they're essentially being forced to do. Did you always, spare? Or did you start to fudge a little when it became obvious that any experiences other than good ones weren't so well-recieved? Sal
[FairfieldLife] A crowning triumph
Thanks for this one, this is going to be great ! A crowning triumph It would be a crowning triumph for the anti-Western ideology which has wrought such havoc on both sides of the Atlantic. The reason Sarah Palin has struck such a chord is that Middle America sees her as the first candidate in its lifetime who stands against that destructive nihilism. That's why she is the key target for Western radicals who are now poised to gain the biggest prize of all. Read more: 'Everyone is out to destroy Palin - but it's Obama's past we should examine' Posted by Melanie Phillips Mail Online, 13th October, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/46hpvz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not the people I knew!
Lawson wrote: What has he said SINCE 9/11? My father is my idol? Obama Sr. had a total of four wives, always two at a time, with whom he had the following children: first and continuous wife Kezia: Abongo (Roy) Obama, Auma Obama, Abo Obama, Bernard Obama. With third wife (while married to Kezia) Ruth: Mark and David Obama. With fourth unknown wife (again married to Kezia): George Obama. Malik Obama, unidentified mother. Obama Sr. second wife (while married to Kezia) was Ann Dunham with whom he had Obama Jr. My father is my idol - Barack Obama Read more: 'Obama, Islam, the Truth (family)' Posted by Gregory Chang Stop Barack Obama, March 14, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6grruj
[FairfieldLife] A view from India
McCain is one of the few American politicians in either party with the courage and conviction to stand up to protectionist populism. By contrast, Obama embodies protectionism. Look at the accompanying chart. It shows that McCain has voted 88% of the time against bills creating trade barriers, and 90% of the time against export subsidies for US producers. Few other senators have such a splendid record. Obama has served a much shorter time in the Senate, and avoided voting on many key issues. He has voted against trade barriers only 36% of the time. He supported export subsidies on the two occasions on which he voted, a 100% protectionist record in this regard. Read more: 'Where McCain scores over Obama' By Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar Times of India, October 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6qpy7s
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden H ypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
On Oct 30, 2008, at 9:24 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, Who said anything about wife beating and what brought that up? Are you beating your wife again? Save your energy for stroking Barry's ego. You're stumping for McCain silly. Vaj, You haven't been paying attention. I don't like either candidate. I'm more interested in exposing Obama's as a crappy choice for president than helping McCain. If what I post helps McCain, so be it. I don't think he is correct but from another perspective, OffWorld thinks this post helps Obama: ROTFLMFAO ! ! ! (Rolling on the floor laughing my fat ass off) I am now in the process of posting this all over as the newest attack talking point of the Republicans about Obama. What a joke. This is now national news because of you Raunchy...I know folks in media you cannot even begin to imagine. You just gave the Manchurian candidate McCain yet another chance to loose the election. Thanks for this one, this is going to be great ! He does have a point, as it's so absurd it would likely per perceived as a desperate attempt to demonize Obama and therefore backfire. If we were to take the claims seriously here's what it would look like: Obama: the Muslin guy who hangs out with terrorists in his spare time who is hypnotizing the masses in his speeches so Israel can be destroyed after they take away our guns, all-the-while ripping 8 month old children from their mothers wombs (except the Muslin children of course) and preparing to declare Sharia Law. After all, he's only here using a fake birth certificate, I saw it, right next to the Race Card he carries in his wallet! Yep er, this was while he was hanging out with some of his Black Panther friends at a party with Kwame Kilpatrick, Louis Farakhan and Marion Barry at the Vista Hotel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
Vaj wrote: Obama: the Muslin guy who hangs out with terrorists... Larry Grathwohl: The instructions I received from Billy Ayers was that the bombs to be used in Detroit must have shrapnel (fence staples, specifically) and fire potential (propane bottles). The intention was to kill police officers. Read more: 'Eyewitness to the Ayers Revolution' Posted by Bob Owens Pajamas Media, October 28, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5uyued Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild! - Bernardine Dohrn Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn 'At Home with Bernadine Dohrn' By Susan Chira New York Times, November 18, 1993 http://tinyurl.com/4o7fkv Curriculum Vitae, Bernadine Dohrn http://tinyurl.com/4ou623 The Weather Underground: http://tinyurl.com/3kmvru
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who has more experience?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe the Plumber or Barack Obama? Discuss amongst yourselves. Joe works for a living and wants to own a plumbing business. Obama has never had a real job and he wants to own us. http://tinyurl.com/5dzhx8 Obama has long been an adherent of Marxism andas well as having befriended and worked with Marxist terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrnone of his earliest mentors was Saul Alinsky; Marxist and the American founder of community organizing in Chicago. In his book Rules for Radicalswhich he dedicated to SatanAlinsky outlines how to create radicals and take over impoverished communities and then extend into the larger suburban areas by lulling the middle class into a false sense of comfort with the organizers' ideas. Alinsky advises that by the time the educated middle class realizes the radicals were lying, it's too late. Note: After Obama is elected, all of his programs and people to keep him in power indefinitelyand to rid him of any and all oppositionwill be firmly in place. You will not be able to vote him out of office. By the time he assumes the position of President of the United States it will already be too late. A democratic republic will last only so long as people of good will allow and fight for it. After they are goneor removedit is ended. Read more... Is the USA Ready for an American Stalin? By Sher Zieve Sunday, October 26, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/67of54
[FairfieldLife] Catching The Big Fish by David Lynch, a book dedicated to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Not only for fans of David Lynch's works this book on Transcendental Meditation and its ways of how to get ideas can be interesting. Every person who looks for a way to more creativity and inspiration can profit from this book. Of course the author mainly talks about his movies and experiences with the life of a filmmaker, painter and, say, universal artist. But these are just examples to show how this way of meditation works. All in all, TM has nothing to do with a special form of religion, rather it means another way of thinking - more positive thinking - in order to let more bliss, inspiration and ideas drop in your mind. A big plus of this book: Lynch talks in short and plain sentences. Unlike his movies and other works, which may often tend to confuse the viewer, Lynch aims to give precise information. So it is easier to focus on the real subject-matter, which really made me think: According to David Lynch's opinion, Transcendental Meditation and consciousness-based education lead to a life in peace. Worldwide. Therefore, in my eyes, this method of meditation is definitely worth a try, don't you think? I recommend to buy the unabridged audiobook version. These 2 CDs made me feel to be in conversation with David Lynch himself while I was listening to his voice. And should Mr. Lynch read these lines: David, for me you are a genius! - Aladdin Sane By Claire Heaton Author, Martha's Voice www.mar... (London, England) - See all my reviews What a delightful and educational read, and so refreshing to see a person of high profile write from the heart without over dramatising the reality of his life. When reading this book it actually felt as though I was having a conversation, so I would imagine the audio version would really achieve that as some reviewers have commented. The writing feels like David Lynch talking rather than writing and is uncomplicated, thoughtful, insightful and unpretentious, which makes it readable for all. David Lynch's participation in Transcendental Meditation for 30-odd years of his life has clearly impacted him, but this book does not overly 'plug' this philosophy or the David Lynch Foundation. Clearly this practice has contributed to David Lynch's creativity, and who he is as an individual, so of course he would want to share that, and it should certainly be included in an autobiographical account of his life. Meditating, transcendental or otherwise, for a few minutes once or twice a day is not a cult-like activity to be suspicious of. The practice of meditation in and of itself should, in my opinion, be considered a normal part of everyday life to help establish a heightened intuitive awareness and a more balanced and peaceful perspective on life. It should not be feared, and has nothing to do with 'suspect' religions or cults, unless one chooses to participate in such things in addition. 'Catching the Big Fish' is an enchanting and memorable little book and provides much food for thought, and is a book that I, for one, will certainly enjoy reading many times over. Highly recommended. Avilable from Amazon Books from £6.75
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Use of Hidden H ypnosis Techniques in his Speeches
On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Obama: the Muslin guy who hangs out with terrorists... Larry Grathwohl: The instructions I received from Billy Ayers was that the bombs to be used in Detroit must have shrapnel (fence staples, specifically) and fire potential (propane bottles). The intention was to kill police officers. You don't sound very informed Mr. Williams. Mr. Obama was eight years old when all this went down and I'm pretty sure his school bus didn't even go near Mr. Ayers residence! According to the anti-smear website ( http://fightthesmears.com ) Obama didn't start his political career in Ayers living room either! You should get some smarts sonny! See: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/AyersSmear William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …” Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. But John McCain has a long history of hanging with terrorists like G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted Felon! According to Pultizer prize winning journalist Carl Bernstein: Does John McCain pal around with terrorists? Certainly McCain's continuing association and relationship with the convicted Watergate burglar and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy might suggest that is the case, if we are to apply the standards drawn by the McCain campaign. In 1998, Liddy gave a fundraiser in his Scottsdale, Arizona home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign -- the two posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show. Inexplicably, McCain heaped praise on his host's values. During the segment, McCain said he was proud of Liddy, and praised Liddy's adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great. From the program: LIDDY: Your experience in the Hanoi Hilton is remarkable. I mean, I put in five years in a prison [for masterminding the Watergate burglary, and associated crimes], but it was here in the United States, and they didn't torture - the only torture that I had was being forced to listen to rap music from time to time. McCAIN: Well, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of your family. I'm proud to know your son, Tom, who's a great and wonderful guy. And it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon. And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great. Which of Liddy's principles and philosophies was McCain referring to? Liddy's advocacy of break-ins? Firebombings? Assassinations? Kidnappings? Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary? During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention. Re: Liddy's continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great: Did McCain mean to include Liddy's instructions to listeners of his radio show in 1994 (around the time Ayres and Obama were on a board together discussing education programs and other plots) on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents (aim for the head)? If ATF agents attempt to curtail a citizen's gun ownership, Liddy counseled, Well, if the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. More recently, Liddy explained making the Clintons objects of shooting practice: I did relate that on the 4th of July of last year, when I and my family and some friends were out firing away at a properly-constructed rifle range and we ran out of targets, and so we - I drew some stick figure targets and I thought we ought to give them names. So I named them Bill and Hillary, thought it might improve my aim. It didn't. My aim is good anyway. Now, having said that, I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House. The Liddy-McCain symbiosis has been mentioned in a number of posts on the Internet - mostly by bloggers and sites identified with The Left. But the documentation of their interaction (Liddy has also contributed financially to McCain's presidential campaign) is not a matter of Left or Right: It is astonishing that,
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm ready for my closeup now, Mr. DeMille
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While McCain spends $5000+ per makeup session before going on TV...* *no doubt Obama does too. Candidates who have money to spend, spend it. Not true. McCain needs to spend on makeup to cover up his facial surgeries for skin cancer, lest people be reminded of his poor health.
[FairfieldLife] Obama in Primetime: American Stories, American Solutions
Here is the full video of Obama's prime time nationwide address. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtREqAmLsoA
[FairfieldLife] Today's mccain palin skirmish
I'm back to wearing my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska. palin a few days ago Moreover, McCain campaign sources say, Palin has developed quite a reputation on the campaign trail for shopping Palin's assistant stopped in at the Ann Taylor at the Summit Sierra Mall and bought the skirt suit that she wore during to her speech Tuesday at the Reno-Sparks Convention Center. `She bought a short, three-quarter sleeve jacket, a skirt and a couple other items,' store manager Suzette Ludden said. Mccain camp today Fun to fun.
[FairfieldLife] UFO forming crop cicle
http://tinyurl.com/6num48
[FairfieldLife] Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
Worry not Willy Tex, you're not alone! It appears this University of Texas may actually be a legitimate educational institution. From the Houston Chronicle: Poll finds 23% of Texans think Obama is Muslim By RICHARD S. DUNHAM Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau Oct. 29, 2008, 11:27PM Yahoo! Buzz WASHINGTON — A University of Texas poll to be released today shows Republican presidential candidate John McCain and GOP Sen. John Cornyn leading by comfortable margins in Texas, as expected. But the statewide survey of 550 registered voters has one very surprising finding: 23 percent of Texans are convinced that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is a Muslim. Obama is a Christian who was embroiled in a controversy earlier this year about his two-decade membership in Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Yet just 45 percent of those polled identified the Illinois senator as a Protestant. The Obama-is-a-Muslim confusion is caused by fallacious Internet rumors and radio talk-show gossip. McCain went so far at one of his town hall meetings to grab a microphone from a woman who claimed that Obama was an Arab. The Texas numbers are unusual because most national polls show that just 5 to 10 percent of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim — less than half the number of Texans who buy into the debunked theories. The UT poll shows McCain running ahead of Obama statewide, with a 51 percent to 40 percent margin. Cornyn, a first-term Republican from San Antonio, leads Rick Noriega, a state representative from Houston, 45 percent to 36 percent. Another 14 percent of voters remain undecided in the contest. The poll found that 89 percent of Lone Star State voters say the country's economic situation is worse than a year ago. And President Bush and Congress both get record low marks. Just 34 percent of Texans approve of Bush's job performance — a big change for a former governor who won re-election 10 years ago with 70 percent of the vote. And Congress is even more unpopular: Just 8 percent of Texas voters approve of the work being done on Capitol Hill. The telephone poll was conducted by the Texas Politics Project and Department of Government at The University of Texas at Austin. The poll was conducted from Oct. 15 to 22, and had a margin of error of 4.2 percentage points. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Crop circle film - The Wake Up Call
http://tinyurl.com/5ec3ah
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
Safe and mainstream? What do you think I do for a living Nabby? Playing hillbillymusic in bars. No, on every point. I had 17 shows last month and one was in a bar. I wont try to straighten you out on the style of music I am spending my life preserving. But claiming a fulltime artist is living a safe mainstream life is a bit of a stretch. That is what we give up to pursue our dreams. I have a right to judge and criticize Guru Dev for sending a message to women that they were not allowed to be in his presence. Yes, surely you are much better mentally equiped to know what is best for Guru Devs disciples on the other side of the globe trying to stabilize celebacy than Guru Dev. No doubt about that. Everything you write proofs this point. You sure it wasn't Guru Dev's dhoti with the pitched tent in front? Trying to deny the woman repressing nature of the Vedic culture that Guru Dev represented, isn't going to work. And justifying one of the Popes of Hinduism not allowing women in his presence isn't possible either. He was sending a clear message, as did Maharishi, on the non equality of women. Blaming women for men's boners is also VERY old school. The culture already insisted that women cover their hair with their sari when visiting a holy man to keep their inie from becoming an outie. Separating women from men is common in that part of the world so Guru Dev could have met with women separately if he was worried about his disciple's boners. If he was who you claim, Guru Dev was denying women the most valuable thing in life, darshon in the presence of a living master. And this sacrifice for that whole gender was worth it to keep the trouser trout from jumping in the stream? I knew plenty of women on Mother Divine who could have been much more effective teachers than many guys on Purusha, but they were told not to worry their pretty little heads about teaching campaigns and just close their eyes like good little nuns. For modern women to allow such blatant sexism is totally weird. Now the delicate women should go rest now, was their message. Agreed. Many women would be more balanced and feminine if they took more frequent naps. And no curtis, I did not write ALL but MANY women. I am taking a list of names of mothers raising kids who would like to slug you for that comment. You are reflecting your ol' master's ol' timey religion. Women are the weaker sex doncha know. I will let a woman field this one if they care to. But my point remains. The way Mother Divine was told to go rest as a basis for the boys (diminutive intended) activity proves my point. Maharishi was a sexist who believed that women are the weaker sex.
[FairfieldLife] Did ya know... God prefers Atheists?
http://www.mrwiggleslovesyou.com/comics/rehab477.jpg It's true!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
...and another 38% think he's a Muslim!
[FairfieldLife] Crop circles - sacred geometry - part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKdCfi5KNko
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Safe and mainstream? What do you think I do for a living Nabby? Playing hillbillymusic in bars. No, on every point. I had 17 shows last month and one was in a bar. I wont try to straighten you out on the style of music I am spending my life preserving. But claiming a fulltime artist is living a safe mainstream life is a bit of a stretch. That is what we give up to pursue our dreams. I have a right to judge and criticize Guru Dev for sending a message to women that they were not allowed to be in his presence. Yes, surely you are much better mentally equiped to know what is best for Guru Devs disciples on the other side of the globe trying to stabilize celebacy than Guru Dev. No doubt about that. Everything you write proofs this point. You sure it wasn't Guru Dev's dhoti with the pitched tent in front? Trying to deny the woman repressing nature of the Vedic culture that Guru Dev represented, isn't going to work. And justifying one of the Popes of Hinduism not allowing women in his presence isn't possible either. He was sending a clear message, as did Maharishi, on the non equality of women. Blaming women for men's boners is also VERY old school. The culture already insisted that women cover their hair with their sari when visiting a holy man to keep their inie from becoming an outie. Separating women from men is common in that part of the world so Guru Dev could have met with women separately if he was worried about his disciple's boners. If he was who you claim, Guru Dev was denying women the most valuable thing in life, darshon in the presence of a living master. And this sacrifice for that whole gender was worth it to keep the trouser trout from jumping in the stream? I knew plenty of women on Mother Divine who could have been much more effective teachers than many guys on Purusha, but they were told not to worry their pretty little heads about teaching campaigns and just close their eyes like good little nuns. For modern women to allow such blatant sexism is totally weird. Now the delicate women should go rest now, was their message. Agreed. Many women would be more balanced and feminine if they took more frequent naps. And no curtis, I did not write ALL but MANY women. I am taking a list of names of mothers raising kids who would like to slug you for that comment. You are reflecting your ol' master's ol' timey religion. Women are the weaker sex doncha know. I will let a woman field this one if they care to. But my point remains. The way Mother Divine was told to go rest as a basis for the boys (diminutive intended) activity proves my point. Maharishi was a sexist who believed that women are the weaker sex. And I believe your are fool.
[FairfieldLife] Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
It seems an appropriate question for this forum. Whatever our differences, its members have probably spent an average of 30 years each being fascinated by enlightenment and the pursuit of it. And we still are, or we wouldn't be here. Whether we still believe in the concept of enlightenment or not, we're still here every week discussing it, or things related to it. Over the years, we've all been presented with a number of ideas about enlightenment -- what it is and what it is not. These ideas have ranged from the ordinary (enlightenment is nothing more -- or less -- than waking up to what is already going on) to the extraordinary (enlightenment -- full enlightenment, whatever that is -- is so special that those who achieve it cannot help but be perfect in their thoughts and actions, and can do things that normal humans can't, like levitate and know The Truth About Everything). We've also been taught -- in most of the spiritual traditions represented here -- that achieving or realizing one's enlight- enment is the highest path available to human beings. I know that I have certainly been told that everything else -- EVERYTHING else -- is secondary to the pursuit of one's enlightenment. Or that it should be. I just realized that today is the anniversary of the first time I formally meditated, and thus stepped onto a spiritual path. And here I am, 42 years later, still on it. Go figure. And at the end of 42 years on that path, I find myself still believing in the existence of something called enlightenment. Heck, I can't very well doubt that one -- I've spent days and weeks at a time in subjective states of consciousness that mapped one-to-one to all of my spiritual teachers' descrip- tions of enlightenment. And they were neat, these periods of time spent out of time, but they tended to be more ordinary than extraordinary. They came, they went, and they still do. But the bottom line for me is that the time I spend in those states is no more special or meaningful than the time I spend in the ordinary waking state. As for the *really* extraordinary shit, the siddhis, I have performed a few of the minor ones myself, and have seen a few of the major ones being performed by someone else. And that was fun, but to be honest, over time the extraordinary shit turned out to be pretty ordinary, too. So, as a result, I have to find myself saying, in answer to the question in the Subject line, No, I don't think enlight- enment is all it's cracked up to be. I think it's much less than what it's cracked up to be. And more. It can't EVER be what it's cracked up to be, because it was cracked up to be something to us in words. When it comes to enlightenment, words just don't cut the mustard. I think that if you get off on the idea of enlightenment more than you get off on the other things in your life, then by all means you should pursue it. And you should pursue it gung-ho, one-pointedly, if that's how you think such things should be done. But I'm going to pass on that one. Been there, done that, didn't find there that much different or better than here. I'm going to focus on appreciating here, and now, and leave pursuit of something that lies in their future to those who like that sorta thing. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
And I believe your are fool. Attacking the person rather than what he said. Nice touch Nabby, very enlightened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Safe and mainstream? What do you think I do for a living Nabby? Playing hillbillymusic in bars. No, on every point. I had 17 shows last month and one was in a bar. I wont try to straighten you out on the style of music I am spending my life preserving. But claiming a fulltime artist is living a safe mainstream life is a bit of a stretch. That is what we give up to pursue our dreams. I have a right to judge and criticize Guru Dev for sending a message to women that they were not allowed to be in his presence. Yes, surely you are much better mentally equiped to know what is best for Guru Devs disciples on the other side of the globe trying to stabilize celebacy than Guru Dev. No doubt about that. Everything you write proofs this point. You sure it wasn't Guru Dev's dhoti with the pitched tent in front? Trying to deny the woman repressing nature of the Vedic culture that Guru Dev represented, isn't going to work. And justifying one of the Popes of Hinduism not allowing women in his presence isn't possible either. He was sending a clear message, as did Maharishi, on the non equality of women. Blaming women for men's boners is also VERY old school. The culture already insisted that women cover their hair with their sari when visiting a holy man to keep their inie from becoming an outie. Separating women from men is common in that part of the world so Guru Dev could have met with women separately if he was worried about his disciple's boners. If he was who you claim, Guru Dev was denying women the most valuable thing in life, darshon in the presence of a living master. And this sacrifice for that whole gender was worth it to keep the trouser trout from jumping in the stream? I knew plenty of women on Mother Divine who could have been much more effective teachers than many guys on Purusha, but they were told not to worry their pretty little heads about teaching campaigns and just close their eyes like good little nuns. For modern women to allow such blatant sexism is totally weird. Now the delicate women should go rest now, was their message. Agreed. Many women would be more balanced and feminine if they took more frequent naps. And no curtis, I did not write ALL but MANY women. I am taking a list of names of mothers raising kids who would like to slug you for that comment. You are reflecting your ol' master's ol' timey religion. Women are the weaker sex doncha know. I will let a woman field this one if they care to. But my point remains. The way Mother Divine was told to go rest as a basis for the boys (diminutive intended) activity proves my point. Maharishi was a sexist who believed that women are the weaker sex. And I believe your are fool.
[FairfieldLife] To anyone in the NYC vicinity
I'm trying to find someone in the NYC area who wouldn't mind having a couple of house guests for a couple of days. I have a friend from Canada, who is coming down to NYC with a friend on Nov. 7 to attend some sort of meditation training. They will leave the following Monday or Tuesday morning (10th or 11th). I've contacted about 7 friends within commuting distance of the city (including CT, NJ, Long Island), but so far no one has been able to offer anything. If you think you might be able to help, please email me on the side. These are nice, spiritual folks and I'm sure you'd enjoy meeting them. They won't actually be there much because they'll be attending the event. They just need a place to crash, and hotels in the area are very expensive. My friend's website is http://fearlesscooking.ca/.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who has more experience?
This is hilarious. Obama compared to Stalin! Who can be next, I wonder? There are still a few days left. Obama and Hitler? Well, that's probably been done somewhere, and no doubt raunchy will dig it up for us. Obama and Ghengis Khan, perhaps? One Christian pastor has already compared Obama to Herod (both are baby-killers, see). How about Pol Pot? That would be a good one. Obama plans to wipe out 20 percent of the population. It's obvious. You've only got to look at him to see it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Joe the Plumber or Barack Obama? Discuss amongst yourselves. Joe works for a living and wants to own a plumbing business. Obama has never had a real job and he wants to own us. http://tinyurl.com/5dzhx8 Obama has long been an adherent of Marxism andas well as having befriended and worked with Marxist terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrnone of his earliest mentors was Saul Alinsky; Marxist and the American founder of community organizing in Chicago. In his book Rules for Radicalswhich he dedicated to SatanAlinsky outlines how to create radicals and take over impoverished communities and then extend into the larger suburban areas by lulling the middle class into a false sense of comfort with the organizers' ideas. Alinsky advises that by the time the educated middle class realizes the radicals were lying, it's too late. Note: After Obama is elected, all of his programs and people to keep him in power indefinitelyand to rid him of any and all oppositionwill be firmly in place. You will not be able to vote him out of office. By the time he assumes the position of President of the United States it will already be too late. A democratic republic will last only so long as people of good will allow and fight for it. After they are goneor removedit is ended. Read more... Is the USA Ready for an American Stalin? By Sher Zieve Sunday, October 26, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/67of54
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
What do you think? I think you hit that post out of the park. Since ancient cultures made no distinctions between personality disorders or mental illness and enlightenment, I think they are very poor reference points for the states of mind possible by humans and what they mean. It is important to understand the different channels our mind can function on up to a point. But spending a lifetime for a particular state of mind... The older I get, the less I care about my state of mind. It is the least interesting thing about my day. Great question Turq. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems an appropriate question for this forum. Whatever our differences, its members have probably spent an average of 30 years each being fascinated by enlightenment and the pursuit of it. And we still are, or we wouldn't be here. Whether we still believe in the concept of enlightenment or not, we're still here every week discussing it, or things related to it. Over the years, we've all been presented with a number of ideas about enlightenment -- what it is and what it is not. These ideas have ranged from the ordinary (enlightenment is nothing more -- or less -- than waking up to what is already going on) to the extraordinary (enlightenment -- full enlightenment, whatever that is -- is so special that those who achieve it cannot help but be perfect in their thoughts and actions, and can do things that normal humans can't, like levitate and know The Truth About Everything). We've also been taught -- in most of the spiritual traditions represented here -- that achieving or realizing one's enlight- enment is the highest path available to human beings. I know that I have certainly been told that everything else -- EVERYTHING else -- is secondary to the pursuit of one's enlightenment. Or that it should be. I just realized that today is the anniversary of the first time I formally meditated, and thus stepped onto a spiritual path. And here I am, 42 years later, still on it. Go figure. And at the end of 42 years on that path, I find myself still believing in the existence of something called enlightenment. Heck, I can't very well doubt that one -- I've spent days and weeks at a time in subjective states of consciousness that mapped one-to-one to all of my spiritual teachers' descrip- tions of enlightenment. And they were neat, these periods of time spent out of time, but they tended to be more ordinary than extraordinary. They came, they went, and they still do. But the bottom line for me is that the time I spend in those states is no more special or meaningful than the time I spend in the ordinary waking state. As for the *really* extraordinary shit, the siddhis, I have performed a few of the minor ones myself, and have seen a few of the major ones being performed by someone else. And that was fun, but to be honest, over time the extraordinary shit turned out to be pretty ordinary, too. So, as a result, I have to find myself saying, in answer to the question in the Subject line, No, I don't think enlight- enment is all it's cracked up to be. I think it's much less than what it's cracked up to be. And more. It can't EVER be what it's cracked up to be, because it was cracked up to be something to us in words. When it comes to enlightenment, words just don't cut the mustard. I think that if you get off on the idea of enlightenment more than you get off on the other things in your life, then by all means you should pursue it. And you should pursue it gung-ho, one-pointedly, if that's how you think such things should be done. But I'm going to pass on that one. Been there, done that, didn't find there that much different or better than here. I'm going to focus on appreciating here, and now, and leave pursuit of something that lies in their future to those who like that sorta thing. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Two great political ads
Passed along from my brother, with his descriptions: Tasteful, elegant, pure, and uncontroversially true. The best political ad ever made. http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1185304443?bctid=1885474357 And while you're at it, here's Steven Spielberg directing a few major stars telling us not to vote. Really. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX40RsSLwF4 There's more Baldwin brothers than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I believe your are fool. Attacking the person rather than what he said. Nice touch Nabby, very enlightened. I simply gave you up curtis because you seem totally stuck in a very old fashioned way of western thinking. Furthermore you do not respond to ideas, you just go on and on in circles where have been before and where you once and for all have made up your mind. It's safe and comfortable for you, but utterly boring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And I believe your are fool. Attacking the person rather than what he said. Nice touch Nabby, very enlightened. I simply gave you up curtis because you seem totally stuck in a very old fashioned way of western thinking. Furthermore you do not respond to ideas, you just go on and on in circles where have been before and where you once and for all have made up your mind. It's safe and comfortable for you, but utterly boring. So you thought a personal insult would best express your enlightenednessitudeinment? By their fruits ye shall know them. From another dead guru.
[FairfieldLife] Just when I thought Palin's unfounded....
accusations were the bottom of the barrel in political ads... Lizzy Dole ups the ante! http://tinyurl.com/69op4p http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/29/dole-ad-ties-hagan-to-godless-americans/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- What do you think? a very interesting question at the top of your post. enlightenment is really all it is cracked up to be and a lot more. the difference is that when it is heard about or experienced temporarily in the waking state it can sound fantastic and almost too good to be true-- flashy and spectacular. granted it is all of those things, and yet, utterly normal as a state of being. if an enlightenment experience such as witnessing or blissfulness is experienced in waking state, it is that experience that the seeker thinks enlightenment is. enlightenment in 25 words or less is wholeness, it is seeing the world as oneself. That's it. it is experiencing the underlying fabric of creation as bliss. it is identifying with the infinite instead of the finite. it is continuing to discriminate and function in the world with wholeness as the basis of experience, instead of separateness. and it is as normal to function in such a state as it is in waking state, householder or recluse. well that is my two cents for whatever they are worth-- possibly a whole lot less than two cents to some of you. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? I think you hit that post out of the park. Since ancient cultures made no distinctions between personality disorders or mental illness and enlightenment, I think they are very poor reference points for the states of mind possible by humans and what they mean. It is important to understand the different channels our mind can function on up to a point. But spending a lifetime for a particular state of mind... The older I get, the less I care about my state of mind. It is the least interesting thing about my day. Great question Turq. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It seems an appropriate question for this forum. Whatever our differences, its members have probably spent an average of 30 years each being fascinated by enlightenment and the pursuit of it. And we still are, or we wouldn't be here. Whether we still believe in the concept of enlightenment or not, we're still here every week discussing it, or things related to it. Over the years, we've all been presented with a number of ideas about enlightenment -- what it is and what it is not. These ideas have ranged from the ordinary (enlightenment is nothing more -- or less -- than waking up to what is already going on) to the extraordinary (enlightenment -- full enlightenment, whatever that is -- is so special that those who achieve it cannot help but be perfect in their thoughts and actions, and can do things that normal humans can't, like levitate and know The Truth About Everything). We've also been taught -- in most of the spiritual traditions represented here -- that achieving or realizing one's enlight- enment is the highest path available to human beings. I know that I have certainly been told that everything else -- EVERYTHING else -- is secondary to the pursuit of one's enlightenment. Or that it should be. I just realized that today is the anniversary of the first time I formally meditated, and thus stepped onto a spiritual path. And here I am, 42 years later, still on it. Go figure. And at the end of 42 years on that path, I find myself still believing in the existence of something called enlightenment. Heck, I can't very well doubt that one -- I've spent days and weeks at a time in subjective states of consciousness that mapped one-to-one to all of my spiritual teachers' descrip- tions of enlightenment. And they were neat, these periods of time spent out of time, but they tended to be more ordinary than extraordinary. They came, they went, and they still do. But the bottom line for me is that the time I spend in those states is no more special or meaningful than the time I spend in the ordinary waking state. As for the *really* extraordinary shit, the siddhis, I have performed a few of the minor ones myself, and have seen a few of the major ones being performed by someone else. And that was fun, but to be honest, over time the extraordinary shit turned out to be pretty ordinary, too. So, as a result, I have to find myself saying, in answer to the question in the Subject line, No, I don't think enlight- enment is all it's cracked up to be. I think it's much less than what it's cracked up to be. And more. It can't EVER be what it's cracked up to be, because it was cracked up to be something to us in words. When it comes to enlightenment, words just don't cut the mustard. I think that if you get off on the idea of enlightenment more than you get off on the other things in your life, then by all means you should pursue it. And you should pursue it gung-ho, one-pointedly, if that's how you think such things should be done. But I'm going to pass on that one. Been there, done that, didn't find there that much different or better than here. I'm going to focus on appreciating here, and now, and leave pursuit of something that lies in their future to those who like that sorta thing. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Contributions to the Obama Campaign under Fictitious Names
First, I must warn readers that the C word is used below. C as in crime.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. This is where I differ from the traditional understanding of these states. I'm really not sure how you could prove such a distinction. Spending time around Maharishi certainly convinced me that his internal state was variable, some days charming and others completely obnoxious. So to say that somewhere deep inside he was really still established in being despite acting like a petulant child doesn't have much value to me. All I could see was a very pissed off Indian man. His state of being didn't seem to improve his moodiness. According to Maharishi being established in such a permanent state would enable a person the ability to perform all the sidhis at will. I have not seen any evidence for this so far. In the past when I have asked self-reported enlightened people about these abilities they came back with the same lame coincidences we all have and some unverifiable claims to know things. Describing an internal state as being one with everything seems like just a poetic way of describing how I feel without enlightenment. In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. A lot of the belief in enlightenment when I was in the movement came from Maharishi's heavy work schedule. He seemed so special in his ability to keep pushing his agenda. It took quite a few years before I met other people outside spiritual traditions who were workoholics who acted the same way. Driven people who didn't sleep much and keep relentlessly pushing their goals. Donald Trump enlightenment. An interesting question, care to advance the thought? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: What do you think? I think you hit that post out of the park. Since ancient cultures made no distinctions between personality disorders or mental illness and enlightenment, I think they are very poor reference points for the states of mind possible by humans and what they mean. It is important to understand the different channels our mind can function on up to a point. But spending a lifetime for a particular state of mind... The older I get, the less I care about my state of mind. It is the least interesting thing about my day. Great question Turq. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It seems an appropriate question for this forum. Whatever our differences, its members have probably spent an average of 30 years each being fascinated by enlightenment and the pursuit of it. And we still are, or we wouldn't be here. Whether we still believe in the concept of enlightenment or not, we're still here every week discussing it, or things related to it. Over the years, we've all been presented with a number of ideas about enlightenment -- what it is and what it is not. These ideas have ranged from the ordinary (enlightenment is nothing more -- or less -- than waking up to what is already going on) to the extraordinary (enlightenment -- full enlightenment, whatever that is -- is so special that those who achieve it cannot help but be perfect in their thoughts and actions, and can do things that normal humans can't, like levitate and know The Truth About Everything). We've also been taught -- in most of the spiritual traditions represented here -- that achieving or realizing one's enlight- enment is the highest path available to human beings. I know that I have certainly been told that everything else -- EVERYTHING else -- is secondary to the pursuit of one's enlightenment. Or that it should be. I just realized that today is the anniversary of the first time I formally meditated, and thus stepped onto a spiritual path. And here I am, 42 years later, still on it. Go figure. And at the end of 42 years on that path, I find myself still believing in the existence of something called enlightenment. Heck, I can't very well doubt that one -- I've spent days and weeks at a time in subjective
[FairfieldLife] FOX News: Neil Cavuto on John McCain: 'you have no Convictions'
WOW! CAVUTO: Frankly, neither of your numbers adds up. But I've come to see a consistent pattern in Obama's. For the life of me, Senator Straight Talk, I see no such straight thing with yours. [...] You rail against big government, yet continue to push cockamamie spending plans that make a mockery of it. That's why you're losing right now, Senator McCain. Not because you don't have the courage of your convictions. But because on economic matters, you have no convictions, period. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWiJSJkS48c
Re: [FairfieldLife] FOX News: Neil Cavuto on John McCain: 'you have no Convictions'
On Oct 30, 2008, at 12:00 PM, do.rflex wrote: WOW! CAVUTO: Frankly, neither of your numbers adds up. But I've come to see a consistent pattern in Obama's. For the life of me, Senator Straight Talk, I see no such straight thing with yours. [...] You rail against big government, yet continue to push cockamamie spending plans that make a mockery of it. That's why you're losing right now, Senator McCain. Not because you don't have the courage of your convictions. But because on economic matters, you have no convictions, period. Now there's some straight talk. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. This is where I differ from the traditional understanding of these states. I'm really not sure how you could prove such a distinction. Spending time around Maharishi certainly convinced me that his internal state was variable, some days charming and others completely obnoxious. So to say that somewhere deep inside he was really still established in being despite acting like a petulant child doesn't have much value to me. All I could see was a very pissed off Indian man. His state of being didn't seem to improve his moodiness. According to Maharishi being established in such a permanent state would enable a person the ability to perform all the sidhis at will. I have not seen any evidence for this so far. In the past when I have asked self-reported enlightened people about these abilities they came back with the same lame coincidences we all have and some unverifiable claims to know things. Describing an internal state as being one with everything seems like just a poetic way of describing how I feel without enlightenment. In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. A lot of the belief in enlightenment when I was in the movement came from Maharishi's heavy work schedule. He seemed so special in his ability to keep pushing his agenda. It took quite a few years before I met other people outside spiritual traditions who were workoholics who acted the same way. Driven people who didn't sleep much and keep relentlessly pushing their goals. Donald Trump enlightenment. An interesting question, care to advance the thought? sure. enlightenment is something we either buy into, or we don't. it is a state of being we aspire to, or not. those that feel a need to pursue it, to live the state of a free and integrated soul, do so because of some fundamental lack in their lives. why that is and where it comes from can be endlessly speculated about. the bottom line is that like anything else, we are either interested in attaining such a state for its perceived benefits, or not. a very personal and profound decision. to your statements attaempting to link behavior or accomplishments in our relative existence to enlightenment- to my way of thinking it is impossible. the list would be an infinite one and therefore meaningless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. This is where I differ from the traditional understanding of these states. I'm really not sure how you could prove such a distinction. And yet this distinction is thrown around all the time, as if it were an established fact. Spending time around Maharishi certainly convinced me that his internal state was variable, some days charming and others completely obnoxious. That was my experience as well. And to a greater degree on both extremes around Rama. So to say that somewhere deep inside he was really still established in being despite acting like a petulant child doesn't have much value to me. Or to me. I think you said it best recently, Curtis, by posing the profound spiritual ques- tion that should be asked about a spiritual teacher just as it would about any other person we interact with, Is he a nice guy? If he isn't, to the level that you have to make excuses for him, I'm sorry but He is really established in Being and we can't perceive it from our level just doesn't cut it for me. All I could see was a very pissed off Indian man. His state of being didn't seem to improve his moodiness. Or some of his actions. According to Maharishi being established in such a permanent state would enable a person the ability to perform all the sidhis at will. I have not seen any evidence for this so far. I have, and I can tell you that it does not overwhelm the Is he a nice guy? standard. In the past when I have asked self-reported enlightened people about these abilities they came back with the same lame coincidences we all have and some unverifiable claims to know things. Describing an internal state as being one with everything seems like just a poetic way of describing how I feel without enlightenment. In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. But it doesn't prove bupkus. Man, I have been there, done that with seeing someone do things that ordinary people can't do. I have witnessed real hover-in-mid-air levitation, people disappearing, and more. And I wasn't alone in having this experience. Over the years literally thousands of people saw Rama do this shit, and wrote about it. So he could perform siddhis, or at the very least convince thousands of people that they had witnessed him performing them (that's not exactly chopped liver, even if the siddhis weren't real). BFD. He was still a dick. Moody? Maharishi's mood swings were ripples on the glassy pond of life compared to some of Rama's tsunamis. Narcissistic? In spades. Treat people badly and fuck them over econ- omically and sexually? You betcha. He could do siddhis. But he was still a dick. So I don't buy Maharishi's benchmark. Being able to perform siddhis means bupkus if you still aren't a nice guy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
sure. enlightenment is something we either buy into, or we don't. it is a state of being we aspire to, or not. those that feel a need to pursue it, to live the state of a free and integrated soul, do so because of some fundamental lack in their lives. why that is and where it comes from can be endlessly speculated about. the bottom line is that like anything else, we are either interested in attaining such a state for its perceived benefits, or not. a very personal and profound decision. to your statements attaempting to link behavior or accomplishments in our relative existence to enlightenment- to my way of thinking it is impossible. the list would be an infinite one and therefore meaningless. Actually I was referring to Maharishi's explicit linking of these qualities. He was very fond of making such lists and we spent a lot of time around him doing just that. It was his claim that the state of enlightenment leads to miraculous abilities in relative life. I believe that many people in the movement today are conveniently leaving these verification out because the states of mind they have achieved are just pleasant internal states and not a state that we could call a higher state of functioning with special abilities. Most the the other qualities I hear are poetic descriptions of beliefs. But the way we choose to evaluate our internal experiences is a personal thing, I agree with that. to live the state of a free and integrated soul We nonenlightened people can feel that way about ourselves too. I can almost guarantee you that Sarah Palin would be very comfortable with that self description. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. This is where I differ from the traditional understanding of these states. I'm really not sure how you could prove such a distinction. Spending time around Maharishi certainly convinced me that his internal state was variable, some days charming and others completely obnoxious. So to say that somewhere deep inside he was really still established in being despite acting like a petulant child doesn't have much value to me. All I could see was a very pissed off Indian man. His state of being didn't seem to improve his moodiness. According to Maharishi being established in such a permanent state would enable a person the ability to perform all the sidhis at will. I have not seen any evidence for this so far. In the past when I have asked self-reported enlightened people about these abilities they came back with the same lame coincidences we all have and some unverifiable claims to know things. Describing an internal state as being one with everything seems like just a poetic way of describing how I feel without enlightenment. In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. A lot of the belief in enlightenment when I was in the movement came from Maharishi's heavy work schedule. He seemed so special in his ability to keep pushing his agenda. It took quite a few years before I met other people outside spiritual traditions who were workoholics who acted the same way. Driven people who didn't sleep much and keep relentlessly pushing their goals. Donald Trump enlightenment. An interesting question, care to advance the thought? sure. enlightenment is something we either buy into, or we don't. it is a state of being we aspire to, or not. those that feel a need to pursue it, to live the state of a free and integrated soul, do so because of some fundamental lack in their lives. why that is and where it comes from can be endlessly speculated about. the bottom line is that like anything else, we are either interested in attaining such a state for its perceived benefits, or not. a very personal and profound decision. to your statements attaempting to link
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure. enlightenment is something we either buy into, or we don't. it is a state of being we aspire to, or not. those that feel a need to pursue it, to live the state of a free and integrated soul, do so because of some fundamental lack in their lives. why that is and where it comes from can be endlessly speculated about. the bottom line is that like anything else, we are either interested in attaining such a state for its perceived benefits, or not. a very personal and profound decision. to your statements attaempting to link behavior or accomplishments in our relative existence to enlightenment- to my way of thinking it is impossible. the list would be an infinite one and therefore meaningless. Actually I was referring to Maharishi's explicit linking of these qualities. He was very fond of making such lists and we spent a lot of time around him doing just that. It was his claim that the state of enlightenment leads to miraculous abilities in relative life. it does, but thay are experienced as completely normal, not miracles. i would also say that different people established in such a state are able to do different things. from what i can tell there is not and never will be a definitive list. the Maharishi's job was as a world teacher, so it is impossible to extrapolate what he was doing as his daily life as some sort of litmus test for enlightenment or enlightened action. believe that many people in the movement today are conveniently leaving these verification out because the states of mind they have achieved are just pleasant internal states and not a state that we could call a higher state of functioning with special abilities. Most the the other qualities I hear are poetic descriptions of beliefs. But the way we choose to evaluate our internal experiences is a personal thing, I agree with that. to live the state of a free and integrated soul We nonenlightened people can feel that way about ourselves too. I can almost guarantee you that Sarah Palin would be very comfortable with that self description. yes, my experience is that descriptions of enlightenment are notoriously open to reintepretation and misintepretation.
[FairfieldLife] My other next laptop ? -- advice?
Does anyone know anything about Lenovo laptops? I have a chance to buy a new one from a reliable local company, 15 inch screen, 2.8GHz, 128bit, 200 GB at 7200 rpm, Windows XP installed at aroind $2,200, 3 year warrenty. What do you think? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: FOX News: Neil Cavuto on John McCain: 'you have no Convictions'
stunning. never thought i'd see the day...maybe mccain should drop palin and get neil cavuto as vp candidate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW! CAVUTO: Frankly, neither of your numbers adds up. But I've come to see a consistent pattern in Obama's. For the life of me, Senator Straight Talk, I see no such straight thing with yours. [...] You rail against big government, yet continue to push cockamamie spending plans that make a mockery of it. That's why you're losing right now, Senator McCain. Not because you don't have the courage of your convictions. But because on economic matters, you have no convictions, period. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWiJSJkS48c
[FairfieldLife] Is Barack Obama really all he's cracked up to be? By Barry Wright
It seems an appropriate question for this forum. Whatever our differences, its members have probably spent an average of 2 years each being fascinated by Obama and His pursuit of the White House. And we are still fascinated by Him, or we wouldn't be discussing him every day. Whether we still believe in Barack or not, we're still here every week discussing Him, or things related to Him. Over these past 2 years, we've all been presented with a number of ideas about Obama -- who He is and who He is not. These ideas have ranged from the ordinary (He's a man;nothing more -- or less -- than just the guy on the street) to the extraordinary (He's THE ONE -- whatever that is -- is so special that those who are in His presense cannot help but be impressed by his perfect thoughts and actions, and that He can do things that normal humans can't, like levitate and know The Truth About Everything). We've also been taught that achieving the highest office of the land - - the presidency -- is the way to achieve greatness. I know that I have certainly been told that everything else -- EVERYTHING else -- is secondary to the pursuit of this one goal, if one wants to actually change things in society. Or that it should be. I just realized that today is the anniversary of the first time I heard Barack's name, and thus stepped onto the path of Hope...hoping that he achieve the presidency. And here I am, 2 years later, still on it. Go figure. And at the end of 2 years on that path, I find myself still believing in the existence of something called Hope...or, if you prefer, CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. Either way. Heck, I can't very well doubt that one -- I've spent days and weeks at a time on-line at the HuffingtonPost reading blogs that mapped one-to-one to all of my leftist college professors' descrip- tions of a perfect world under socialism. And they were neat, these periods of time spent out of reality, but they tended to be more ordinary than extraordinary. They came, they went, and they still do. But the bottom line for me is that the time I spend contemplating the Socialist World Order is no more special or meaningful than the time I spend in the cafe here in Stiges. As for the *really* extraordinary shit, like universal health care, I have lived in countries where free health care is available, and have benefitted from such a system. And that was fun, but to be honest, over time these programs turned out to be pretty ordinary, too. So, as a result, I have to find myself saying, in answer to the question in the Subject line, No, I don't think Barack Obama is all He's cracked up to be. I think He's much less than what He's cracked up to be. And more. He can't EVER be what He's cracked up to be, because He was cracked up to be something to us in words. When it comes to Obama, words just don't cut the mustard. I think that if you get off on the idea of Obama more than you get off on the other things in your life, then by all means you should vote for him this Tuesday. And you should support his candicacy gung- ho,one-pointedly, if you think His policies are how you think such things should be done in America and the world. But I'm going to pass on that one. Been there, done that, didn't find there that much different or better than here. I'm going to focus on appreciating here, and now, and leave pursuit of something that lies in their future to those who like that sorta thing. What do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. Great benchmark IMO. Yes indeed, for a yogic path, by all traditional criteria, siddhis are the benchmark, they are discernible and the state is therefore verifiable. And I should add there has been therefore no verification of enlightenment in any TM or TM sidhi claimants, just posturing and the typical mistake associated with erroneous claims. Most have to do, IMO, with the identification of the awareness side of consciousness; that's all--but a very common error.
[FairfieldLife] Change the word Enlightenment to Barack Obama and...
...Barry Wright's recent treatise on enlightenment pretty much sounds the same. Check out my post (just uploaded to FFL) in which I did precisely that: I took Barry's post entitled Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?, copied it, and pasted it as Is Barack Obama really all he's cracked up to be? and just changed a few other words here and there in the text and Voila! the bloody thing reads the same. Enlightenment. Barack Obama. They are concepts that for sheeple like Barry and OffWorld and Sal are pretty much interchangable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Actually I was referring to Maharishi's explicit linking of these qualities. He was very fond of making such lists and we spent a lot of time around him doing just that. It was his claim that the state of enlightenment leads to miraculous abilities in relative life. I believe that many people in the movement today are conveniently leaving these verification out because the states of mind they have achieved are just pleasant internal states and not a state that we could call a higher state of functioning with special abilities. Most the the other qualities I hear are poetic descriptions of beliefs. Bingo. I've been saying this to TMers for years. One is forced to ask the question if the intellect still remembers these criteria and understood their significance then what is it in humans that decides to drop the criteria and still claim some exalted state? The answer is invariably the ego. I have met no TMers who have met the traditional criteria--for that matter I've seen no concrete evidence for even samadhi in TMers either. It induces a pleasant trance-like or self-hypnotic state in most people but not samadhi--at least as defined in Patanjali.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
so much for the traditional criteria, eh? seriously if the traditional criteria were all there was to it, those teaching and assessing such criteria would be enlightening people by the truckload. why isn't that happening? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Actually I was referring to Maharishi's explicit linking of these qualities. He was very fond of making such lists and we spent a lot of time around him doing just that. It was his claim that the state of enlightenment leads to miraculous abilities in relative life. I believe that many people in the movement today are conveniently leaving these verification out because the states of mind they have achieved are just pleasant internal states and not a state that we could call a higher state of functioning with special abilities. Most the the other qualities I hear are poetic descriptions of beliefs. Bingo. I've been saying this to TMers for years. One is forced to ask the question if the intellect still remembers these criteria and understood their significance then what is it in humans that decides to drop the criteria and still claim some exalted state? The answer is invariably the ego. I have met no TMers who have met the traditional criteria--for that matter I've seen no concrete evidence for even samadhi in TMers either. It induces a pleasant trance-like or self-hypnotic state in most people but not samadhi-- at least as defined in Patanjali.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
---Precisely! The Neo-Advaitins just say Being...Being... and claim Enlightenment. The relative benchmarks have to be there in terms what the body has gone through in the transition from CC to GC to UC. For starters, Lakshmanjoo lists at least 4 levels of awareness during sleep. Very few people are advanced in this regard. While it's true that Ramana and Nisargadatta emphasized the Self, if you look closely at their transcribed statements, you will see statements to the effect that a type of Living Flame was present at all times at the 3-rd eye chakra. This is corroborated by the writings of the Kriya Yoga Master, Swami Satyeswaranda Giri. (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982). Next, (regardless of one might think of Adi Da's extracuricular activities and bizarre behavior); one should not through the baby out with the bath water and dismiss his statements regarding the TWO levels of enlightenment: in his case, 1970 and 1986. The second level doesn't improve on Beingness - still 100%; but relatively speaking, Adi Da's death experience appears to be what Ramakrishna called going into Samadhi. This is apparently a temporary state in which the gross bodies are left behind, and the remaining subtle bodies experience or pass through (consciously) all levels of creation until (while in that state); the Self remains alone unemcumbered by gross coverings. Then, we can appeal to Sant Mat - the writings of Kirpal Singh - to lend support to what Adi Da was saying (although of course Adi Da is quick to claim supremacy for himself above all others). But in a nutshell, claimants must be able to to have (it seems) direct experience of going into Samadhi. Also, the experiences (some) of Amma and other Divine Mother incarnations seem to be in this category. So, unless one is on the level of Amma and Shreemaa; (as well as Guru Dev and Ramana); I would dismiss most claims of Enlightenment outright as (at the least) premature levels of PC in which the mental notion of an I has vanished but there is as yet no real Awakening of the the 3-rd eye chakra and the experiences that accompany it: seeing the Living Flame and having it as a constant Presence, hearing the celestial Sound Current, and conversing with the Radiant Form of the Master. Then, the ability to exit the physical body at will and go into Samadhi; i.e. REAL Samadhi. I believe MMY could do this. L In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. Great benchmark IMO. Yes indeed, for a yogic path, by all traditional criteria, siddhis are the benchmark, they are discernible and the state is therefore verifiable. And I should add there has been therefore no verification of enlightenment in any TM or TM sidhi claimants, just posturing and the typical mistake associated with erroneous claims. Most have to do, IMO, with the identification of the awareness side of consciousness; that's all--but a very common error.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but enlightenment is not a state of mind. otherwise there could be no established state of enlightenment. enlightenment is a state of being. This is where I differ from the traditional understanding of these states. I'm really not sure how you could prove such a distinction. Spending time around Maharishi certainly convinced me that his internal state was variable, some days charming and others completely obnoxious. So to say that somewhere deep inside he was really still established in being despite acting like a petulant child doesn't have much value to me. All I could see was a very pissed off Indian man. His state of being didn't seem to improve his moodiness. According to Maharishi being established in such a permanent state would enable a person the ability to perform all the sidhis at will. I have not seen any evidence for this so far. In the past when I have asked self-reported enlightened people about these abilities they came back with the same lame coincidences we all have and some unverifiable claims to know things. Describing an internal state as being one with everything seems like just a poetic way of describing how I feel without enlightenment. In making performance of the sidhis a verification of higher states Maharishi was doing a brave thing. It is my favorite part of his teaching, that he gave concrete benchmarks. He may not have lived up to his grand claims, but the system of objective benchmarks gave his system some intellectual integrity IMO. If you claim to be in a higher state, do something that ordinary people can't do. It really is common sense. Especially when these states are claimed to be the highest states of human development. honestly I don't even notice self reported enlightened people as special in any way. This goes against the claims of Maharishi's programs which always claimed to improve a person's relative abilities, even to a measurable degree. A lot of the belief in enlightenment when I was in the movement came from Maharishi's heavy work schedule. He seemed so special in his ability to keep pushing his agenda. It took quite a few years before I met other people outside spiritual traditions who were workoholics who acted the same way. Driven people who didn't sleep much and keep relentlessly pushing their goals. Donald Trump enlightenment. An interesting question, care to advance the thought? Maybe on purpose Maharishi put overly lofty expectations for enlightenment. Probably to keep the carrot high so the gullible would keep paying for courses. ;-) No an enlightened being would not necessarily be able to do all the siddhis at will. And what siddhis are you talking about? There are thousands of them. The enlightened being still needs to practice them to keep them powerful and sharp or even increase their power. Of course if you want to make that the criteria for enlightenment then you have created a lofty goal but probably beyond the state of moksha and more in the realm of sainthood. Catch-22 is if you're enlightened there is no ego that cares whether you're more powerful or not. That's the conundrum I throw at my tantra teacher all the time. Also my teacher says that an enlightened being may act no differently than anyone else. They can get angry and act irrational too. Which to the unenlightened may seem like insanity. But then what is sanity? That seems to be something the masses presume without defining well at all. The reason the enlightened being may act no differently is there are samskaras remaining that need to get out of the system. And don't buy into the fact that all samskaras need to be gone to be enlightened. Obviously that is not the case. If Maharishi really wanted an enlightened organization he would have kept things simpler. But obviously there was a lot of money to be made so he couldn't do that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:31 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: so much for the traditional criteria, eh? The traditional criteria are very precise at doing what they've done successfully for thousands of years. Nothing has changed accept the modern era where people are sold on these ideas or meet up with any of the many fake teachers and false teachings. seriously if the traditional criteria were all there was to it, those teaching and assessing such criteria would be enlightening people by the truckload. why isn't that happening? It would be impossible for normal humans to fake such criteria, so really the opposite of what you suggest is the case!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:31 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: so much for the traditional criteria, eh? The traditional criteria are very precise at doing what they've done successfully for thousands of years. Nothing has changed accept the modern era where people are sold on these ideas or meet up with any of the many fake teachers and false teachings. if those teaching the traditional criteria have been so successful at enlightening others, why are there so many fake teachers and false teachings today? seems to me sucess speaks for itself, or not. seriously if the traditional criteria were all there was to it, those teaching and assessing such criteria would be enlightening people by the truckload. why isn't that happening? It would be impossible for normal humans to fake such criteria, so really the opposite of what you suggest is the case! are you suggesting there are hundreds of millions, or possibly billions of enlightened people on the planet whom we don't know about?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Howard's Call To Action
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opie, Sheriff Taylor and Fonzie: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d Ha ha, that's great ! Thanks for posting that. I remember watching that stuff back in Scotland in the 1970's and kids going to school and saying Hey...FAAAUNCIE Wasn't the other guy in The Waltons also? You're thinking of Ralph Waite who was in The Waltons which I may have watched one episode of. So much of early television was insipid and corny (not that it's any better now). I also was playing music 6 nights a week in those days before VCRs and didn't see much of the popular shows during that time. Evening off was often spent at one of the local art house theaters (which were plentiful in Seattle) usually watching a foreign film. I watched very few Hollywood films in the 1970s.
[FairfieldLife] The Bush Crime Family Film
Tuesday I saw W at the local cinema just to see how it played for me. I see a definite strong message there but it was not one that made me feel sorry for Bush. It was the NeoCon goal of empire which Cheney (played by Richard Dreyfess) explains to the cabinet. This has been the goal of this corrupt administration from day one to rule the world. Or perhaps the goal of those who finance them. We had a chance or rather Congress did to end this corruption by not passing the bailout. That would have busted the financiers who have corrupted government throughout history. But Congress did not have the gumption for it. Maybe that was because Congress thought those financiers would have their own covert opts ready to go in case they didn't and stage another 9-11. They certainly have the money and power and own organizations to do that.
[FairfieldLife] The Economist for Obama
McCain supporters can try, if they like, to dismiss The Economist magazine's endorsement of Barack Obama for President of the United States as yet another piece of evidence that the liberal media is in the tank for Barack Obama. And they would be right -- if what they meant was Liberalism as advocated by Adam Smith and John Locke, a liberalism that encompasses, as Wikipedia handily defines it, freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property, free markets, and a transparent system of government. Such is the proud credo of The Economist.
[FairfieldLife] Resveratrol may protect against fatty liver disease
Resveratrol may protect against fatty liver disease October 2008 Resveratrol, a polyphenol found in red wine, may prevent against the development of fatty liver disease associated with chronic alcohol consumption, according to a study published in the American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology. The new study, performed with mice, found that resveratrol may activate two molecules that play a role in cell signaling and the breakdown of fats in the liver: AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK) and sirtuin 1 (SIRT1). These molecules are reportedly inhibited by alcohol, leading to fat build-up and fatty liver. Although expert advice is clearly to avoid excessive alcohol consumption altogether, the results suggest alcoholics could benefit from upping their intake of resveratrol-rich foods. Previous research has linked the potential health benefits of wine to resveratrol, a powerful polyphenol and anti-fungal chemical that occurs naturally under the skin of red wine grapes. It is often touted as the bioactive compound in grapes and red wine, and has particularly been associated with the so-called French Paradox, a phrase used to describe the low incidence of heart disease and obesity among the French, despite their relatively high-fat diet and levels of wine consumption. The researchers, led by Joanne Ajmo of the Departments of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology, University of South Florida Health Sciences Center, studied the effects of resveratrol at a molecular level. Mice were divided into groups and all of them were fed a low- fat diet. One group of the mice had their diets supplemented with resveratrol, one group was supplemented with resveratrol, plus alcohol (ethanol); one group with only ethanol and one group consumed only the diet (control group). At the end of the experiment, Ajmo and her co-workers report that, as they expected, resveratrol increased the expression of SIRT1 and stimulated the activity of AMPK in the livers of alcohol-fed mice. Furthermore, these increases were associated with changes in the levels of other molecules that control fat metabolism, including adiponectin, a hormone produced by fat cells, which helps control obesity. Such changes are reported to prevent the accumulation of fat in the mouse liver by both reducing the production of fat and increasing the burning of the fat already present. Our study suggests that resveratrol may serve as a promising agent for preventing human alcoholic fatty liver disease, concluded the authors. American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology 295:G833-G842, 2008
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev - on Living in the Forests
God's devotee can never stay dejected. While staying in the forests, we were always under the all-powerful nature of Paramatman [God]. There in the dense forests, where no facilities for living are easily available, all the needs of the devotee were met by Paramatman. How can a prince experience any need in his own Kingdom? The devotee of the all-powerful Lord, wherever in any of the three worlds he might be, he is the prince and so he will live in bliss. How can the all-powerful Lord tolerate the suffering of his devotee? Through one's faith, devotion and trust in Paramatman alone and none else, it is certain to get the Lord's attention. From then onwards Paramatman himself will look after the well being of the devotee. There will be no need to pray for one's welfare. When the son gets sick, does he request the father have him treated and then the father acts? Is it so? The father will not be able to see his son suffer. Even without asking he will do his best to get his son cured. Thus, whosoever becomes Paramatman's, whosoever wrests Paramatman's love for himself, Paramatman, without even a request, will do what is needed. It is an experienced fact that Paramatman's devotee can never be unhappy. ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath http://srigurudev.net/gurudev/discourses.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Contributions to the Obama Campaign under Fictitious Names
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, I must warn readers that the C word is used below. C as in crime. Is it homophonic with 'kant', as in Immanuel Kant?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Change the word Enlightenment to Barack Obama and...
On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: ...Barry Wright's recent treatise on enlightenment pretty much sounds the same. Check out my post (just uploaded to FFL) in which I did precisely that: I took Barry's post entitled Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?, copied it, and pasted it as Is Barack Obama really all he's cracked up to be? and just changed a few other words here and there in the text and Voila! the bloody thing reads the same. Next subject line: Is shemp cracking up? Sal
[FairfieldLife] criteria for enlightenment
some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? could it be an organization like the tmo or a buddhist sect or a hindu guru, who insists that these criteria (that they came up with) must be met in order for your precious being to be declared enlightened? enlightenment is a self-referral state, inclusive of everything. what does this mean? this means that knowledge can be self verified in this state, including the state itself. if it is not a state of self referral, if there is doubt, it ain't enlightenment. so we have these groups out there, lots of them, claiming to hold - The List- of enlightened criteria. and a bunch of people buying into those lists. the tmo has a list. the buddhists have a bunch of lists. the hindu gurus have lists. everyone has a list. and as long as they can convince you that you need them, that you need the tmo raja, you need the buddhist lama, you need the guru, to check off items on the list for you, what do you do? You Support Them. You Support Them. ...in exchange for your missing and evasive enlightenment, of course. Ooops, not enough thingamajig in the whoseewhatsit...no enlightenment for you! Ooops only to 'level three', not 'level 4'... Uh oh, only a CBGB experience for you, keep going sound familiar? and what are you all trading away for your enlightenment? how much do you support your fave spiritual organization? go on retreats? get 'advanced techniques'? spend time with the ma$ter? do volunteer work? getting it? There is no organization, religious, spiritual or otherwise that is going to enlighten you, or verify when you are there. it is a fairytale, and for some, even a scam. enlightenment is all about self sufficient thinking and doing. it is not about the slavery which has been described here by others. so if you really want enlightenment, just go for it. you know what to do. and stop listening to all these damned spiritual organizations, out to blind you and pick your pockets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are samskaras remaining that need to get out of the system. And don't buy into the fact that all samskaras need to be gone to be enlightened. Obviously that is not the case. Oh yeah! viraama-pratyayaabhyaasa-puurvaH *saMskaara-sheSo* 'nyaH! 'nyaH == anyaH (the other [(mode of?) samaadhi]) == asamprajñaata-samaadhi, which is /saMskaara-sheSaH/!
Re: [FairfieldLife] My other next laptop ? -- advice?
Lenova used to be IBM's PC business. What I had heard about it was that a Chinese company bought out the PC business from IBM (which I think is both odd and sad being that the original PC was IBM's invention) and they used the name Lenovo for the new venture. That was a bit annoying to me, because I was using an IBM PC and an IBM 21-inch monitor at the time and wanted to go IBM again, but did not want to go with this new Chinese company. That is one of the reasons I kept my old PC too long. I have been very happy with the Dell XPS 630 I bought at the end of July. The support has been so good that I expect to stay with Dell as long as possible, assuming they do not slide. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Thu, 10/30/08, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] My other next laptop ? -- advice? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:57 PM Does anyone know anything about Lenovo laptops? I have a chance to buy a new one from a reliable local company, 15 inch screen, 2.8GHz, 128bit, 200 GB at 7200 rpm, Windows XP installed at aroind $2,200, 3 year warrenty. What do you think? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] It's in your hands ...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Change the word Enlightenment to Barack Obama and...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: ...Barry Wright's recent treatise on enlightenment pretty much sounds the same. Check out my post (just uploaded to FFL) in which I did precisely that: I took Barry's post entitled Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?, copied it, and pasted it as Is Barack Obama really all he's cracked up to be? and just changed a few other words here and there in the text and Voila! the bloody thing reads the same. Next subject line: Is shemp cracking up? Sal I may be...but you should still read the piece. It's scary how you can interchange just a few words and get the same effect. Read it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/195991 That's it for me: 50 for the week! I see you suckers in about 36 hours...or T minus 96 hours to the new president.
[FairfieldLife] 'Quiet Time in the Classroom'
US: Students' experiences featured in education conference 'Quiet Time in the Classroom' by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article 29 October 2008 The third annual National Summit on Student Health and Education, 'Quiet Time in the Classroom' held in New York City on 16 October, addressed the pressing concern of student stress and featured the comments of students who practise Transcendental Meditation. Presentations from the conference were replayed on the Maharishi Global Family Chat 23 October. Speaking at the conference, Dr Robert Roth, National Director of Expansion for the Global Country of World Peace in the US, said, 'Today we are going to be addressing a very serious problem that afflicts children all over the world. The Surgeon General said that Americans are swimming in an ocean of stress. Well if that's the case, our children our drowning in it. It's a very serious problem that demands a very substantive solution.' The conference, he continued, will explore the Transcendental Meditation Technique as a scientifically proven means to develop the full brain and create stress-free schools. 'In this summit today, we are going to be hearing from school principals from around the US who've implemented this programme as part of what's called 'quiet time'. Some of the principals have been offering it to their students and faculty for 10, 12, 14 years. Some of the principals just started [this programme] in their schools this past year.' Dr Roth stated that 'the national media [has been] very sensitive to the problem of stress in the classroom'. Several years ago the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit, Michigan—where the students have the opportunity to practise Transcendental Meditation—was featured on the NBC Today Show. On that NBC segment, which was shown during the conference, students at the school described how their lives had changed since they had started Transcendental Meditation. One student said, 'I used to get angry a lot, but now it's like I'm calming down.' Another said, 'I had a tendency to dwell on things that happened in the past, but when I meditate, then it helps me let them go.' Another said, 'I just pay attention better now.' Other students described an improvement in grades. A study of 140 students aged 10-14, conducted by the University of Michigan, confirmed these kinds of results, NBC reported. It was reported on the NBC clip that the students not only improved academically, but also 'felt more connected, they felt happier, satisfied, peaceful, calm'. One student said, 'After meditation I feel great.' Global Good News will feature the continuation of Dr Roth's talk, as well as the presentation of Carmen N'Namdi, Principal of Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse, in the coming days. Replays of the 16 October conference webcast are available at: www.stressfreeschools.org © Copyright 2008 Global Good News®
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
--no. You could be on the wrong track. E should be defined both in terms of Being and the criteria which can be described in the relative sense. The list is not endless...; as Vaj says, there are traditional criteria mentioned throughout the ages. Some of these one may quibble about amongst nitpickers; but on the whole, such criteria are part and parcel of what Wilber calls The Great Tradition of Advaitic Buddhists and Hindus. Wilber himself (imo) got into hot water by first attempting (in his early writings); to philosophize about the nature of E defined strictly in term of Being. The problem in this approach is that although such an orientation is necessary for E, it may not be SUFFICIENT. And why not? Because the opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can't easily be defined (I've been told), through a constant appeal to BeingBeing. An opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can be defined through one what gone through, the kundalini signposts along the way through CC, GC, and UC. Without going into what's on the criteria list and what's not; the purpose behind such an evaluation would be to (hopefully) insure that claims to Enlightenment are not premature. Premature claims deceive the claimant as well as any would-be naive followers; and may prevent people from throwing in their best efforts in continuing with Sadhana. Just saying Being isn't enough. That's about as helpful as going around saying say no to drugs or just wear a chastity ring. The Hare Krishna guru claimed that the astronauts faked their getting to the moon and staged the whole thing. We know they didn't mainly because of what they WENT THROUGH to get there, independent of the pictures of them already there. For starters, we can examine the criteria of CC: continuous awareness during/throughout the sleep states and not just a continuance of Being upon awakening. But instead of dismissing the criteria, my approach is to accept through some slim degree of faith, that some particular persons are Enlightened, then match their statements against all others, especially the Neo-Advaitins who only mention Being. One of those persons whom I look up to (aside from Guru Dev, Amma, and Karunamayi; as well as Ramana); is Shree Maa. Basically, she doesn't just go around saying Being, Being She states (without the least bit of ego, or through her (husband?) Swamiji - an American...they live in Napa): that she has the ability - the ongoing constant ability - to be aware simultaneously of all or any levels of creation from gross to subtle. This is beyond Self- Realization. Without such a profound capacity to cognize the subtle levels of creation; we are indeed shortchanged in our capacity to evaluate any claims of Enlightenment based on the mere statement of having dissolved the personal mental I. So, while it's true that one may quibble about what is exactly on the criteria list; I have a feeling that you were not accessing this forum when MMY's tapes on the subject of kundalini signs was released. The list of criteria (as Vaj says); has been around for a very long time and hasn't seemed to change much Even if somebody could produce such a list, there would be those who would try to denigrate by finding fault with this and that. Who would those fault-finders be? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? could it be an organization like the tmo or a buddhist sect or a hindu guru, who insists that these criteria (that they came up with) must be met in order for your precious being to be declared enlightened? enlightenment is a self-referral state, inclusive of everything. what does this mean? this means that knowledge can be self verified in this state, including the state itself. if it is not a state of self referral, if there is doubt, it ain't enlightenment. so we have these groups out there, lots of them, claiming to hold - The List- of enlightened criteria. and a bunch of people buying into those lists. the tmo has a list. the buddhists have a bunch of lists. the hindu gurus have lists. everyone has a list. and as long as they can convince you that you need them, that you need the tmo raja, you need the buddhist lama, you need the guru, to check off items on the list for you, what do you do? You Support Them. You Support Them. ...in exchange for your missing and evasive enlightenment, of course. Ooops, not enough thingamajig in the whoseewhatsit...no enlightenment for you! Ooops only to 'level three', not 'level 4'... Uh oh, only a CBGB experience for you, keep going sound familiar? and what are you all trading away for your enlightenment? how much do you support your fave spiritual organization? go on retreats? get 'advanced techniques'? spend time with
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Quiet Time in the Classroom'
On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:57 PM, michael wrote: US: Students' experiences featured in education conference 'Quiet Time in the Classroom' by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article 29 October 2008 The third annual National Summit on Student Health and Education, 'Quiet Time in the Classroom' held in New York City on 16 October, addressed the pressing concern of student stress and featured the comments of students who practise Transcendental Meditation. After which they all went out and got stoned. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Believability Poll: Round Three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And I believe your are fool. Attacking the person rather than what he said. Nice touch Nabby, very enlightened. I simply gave you up curtis because you seem totally stuck in a very old fashioned way of western thinking. Furthermore you do not respond to ideas, you just go on and on in circles where you have been before and where you once and for all have made up your mind. It's safe and comfortable for you, but utterly boring. So you thought a personal insult would best express your enlightenednessitudeinment? I'm sorry that you experienced it as a personal insult. I was simply stating a fact and pointing out the foolishness of applying your obviously restricted western middle class values to an age old tradition of Master/discipleship about which you obviously know nothing. From my side this useless discussion is over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
i did not say enlightenment is without attributes. has anything you have achieved in your life been so? amorphous, ungrounded, nebulous? of course not. as i said, enlightenment is a self referral state- you will be able to discern whether or not you are there. by your self. sure, take what knowledge is available out there- we all know it (CC GC 3rd eye UC Self- blah blah blah). haven't those here had enough though? didn't someone say earlier today that we have been meditating about what, 30 years already? christ on a crutch, what more do you need? it sounds though like you and others may be content to be in the circus with your oh so precious teachers vs. being the circus. to each his or her own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --no. You could be on the wrong track. E should be defined both in terms of Being and the criteria which can be described in the relative sense. The list is not endless...; as Vaj says, there are traditional criteria mentioned throughout the ages. Some of these one may quibble about amongst nitpickers; but on the whole, such criteria are part and parcel of what Wilber calls The Great Tradition of Advaitic Buddhists and Hindus. Wilber himself (imo) got into hot water by first attempting (in his early writings); to philosophize about the nature of E defined strictly in term of Being. The problem in this approach is that although such an orientation is necessary for E, it may not be SUFFICIENT. And why not? Because the opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can't easily be defined (I've been told), through a constant appeal to BeingBeing. An opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can be defined through one what gone through, the kundalini signposts along the way through CC, GC, and UC. Without going into what's on the criteria list and what's not; the purpose behind such an evaluation would be to (hopefully) insure that claims to Enlightenment are not premature. Premature claims deceive the claimant as well as any would-be naive followers; and may prevent people from throwing in their best efforts in continuing with Sadhana. Just saying Being isn't enough. That's about as helpful as going around saying say no to drugs or just wear a chastity ring. The Hare Krishna guru claimed that the astronauts faked their getting to the moon and staged the whole thing. We know they didn't mainly because of what they WENT THROUGH to get there, independent of the pictures of them already there. For starters, we can examine the criteria of CC: continuous awareness during/throughout the sleep states and not just a continuance of Being upon awakening. But instead of dismissing the criteria, my approach is to accept through some slim degree of faith, that some particular persons are Enlightened, then match their statements against all others, especially the Neo-Advaitins who only mention Being. One of those persons whom I look up to (aside from Guru Dev, Amma, and Karunamayi; as well as Ramana); is Shree Maa. Basically, she doesn't just go around saying Being, Being She states (without the least bit of ego, or through her (husband?) Swamiji - an American...they live in Napa): that she has the ability - the ongoing constant ability - to be aware simultaneously of all or any levels of creation from gross to subtle. This is beyond Self- Realization. Without such a profound capacity to cognize the subtle levels of creation; we are indeed shortchanged in our capacity to evaluate any claims of Enlightenment based on the mere statement of having dissolved the personal mental I. So, while it's true that one may quibble about what is exactly on the criteria list; I have a feeling that you were not accessing this forum when MMY's tapes on the subject of kundalini signs was released. The list of criteria (as Vaj says); has been around for a very long time and hasn't seemed to change much Even if somebody could produce such a list, there would be those who would try to denigrate by finding fault with this and that. Who would those fault-finders be? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? could it be an organization like the tmo or a buddhist sect or a hindu guru, who insists that these criteria (that they came up with) must be met in order for your precious being to be declared enlightened? enlightenment is a self-referral state, inclusive of everything. what does this mean? this means that knowledge can be self verified in this state, including the state itself. if it is not a state of self referral, if there is doubt, it ain't enlightenment. so we have these groups out there, lots of them, claiming to hold -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:44 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: The traditional criteria are very precise at doing what they've done successfully for thousands of years. Nothing has changed accept the modern era where people are sold on these ideas or meet up with any of the many fake teachers and false teachings. if those teaching the traditional criteria have been so successful at enlightening others, why are there so many fake teachers and false teachings today? seems to me sucess speaks for itself, or not. No, no. Teachers test their students with the criteria for the various realizations. seriously if the traditional criteria were all there was to it, those teaching and assessing such criteria would be enlightening people by the truckload. why isn't that happening? It would be impossible for normal humans to fake such criteria, so really the opposite of what you suggest is the case! are you suggesting there are hundreds of millions, or possibly billions of enlightened people on the planet whom we don't know about? No, not at all. Most claiming E are fakes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] criteria for enlightenment
On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:48 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? The original realizers in your line typically!
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
a couple of other things i noticed when i reread your response, yifuxero, was that sadhana does not end when enlightenment is achieved. the idea is actually laughable- how could you possibly stop devoting your self to your Self once you have achieved Yoga? no duality- the enlightened life IS sadhana. that it will somehow cease sounds like a scare tactic by a teacher of some sort. also the opening of the 3rd eye is as easy as it is self evident. again, something easily determined by the person it occurs to and no one else. anyone making a big deal about this last one is in my book a big fat fraud, out for cash, power or both. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --no. You could be on the wrong track. E should be defined both in terms of Being and the criteria which can be described in the relative sense. The list is not endless...; as Vaj says, there are traditional criteria mentioned throughout the ages. Some of these one may quibble about amongst nitpickers; but on the whole, such criteria are part and parcel of what Wilber calls The Great Tradition of Advaitic Buddhists and Hindus. Wilber himself (imo) got into hot water by first attempting (in his early writings); to philosophize about the nature of E defined strictly in term of Being. The problem in this approach is that although such an orientation is necessary for E, it may not be SUFFICIENT. And why not? Because the opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can't easily be defined (I've been told), through a constant appeal to BeingBeing. An opening of the 3-rd eye chakra can be defined through one what gone through, the kundalini signposts along the way through CC, GC, and UC. Without going into what's on the criteria list and what's not; the purpose behind such an evaluation would be to (hopefully) insure that claims to Enlightenment are not premature. Premature claims deceive the claimant as well as any would-be naive followers; and may prevent people from throwing in their best efforts in continuing with Sadhana. Just saying Being isn't enough. That's about as helpful as going around saying say no to drugs or just wear a chastity ring. The Hare Krishna guru claimed that the astronauts faked their getting to the moon and staged the whole thing. We know they didn't mainly because of what they WENT THROUGH to get there, independent of the pictures of them already there. For starters, we can examine the criteria of CC: continuous awareness during/throughout the sleep states and not just a continuance of Being upon awakening. But instead of dismissing the criteria, my approach is to accept through some slim degree of faith, that some particular persons are Enlightened, then match their statements against all others, especially the Neo-Advaitins who only mention Being. One of those persons whom I look up to (aside from Guru Dev, Amma, and Karunamayi; as well as Ramana); is Shree Maa. Basically, she doesn't just go around saying Being, Being She states (without the least bit of ego, or through her (husband?) Swamiji - an American...they live in Napa): that she has the ability - the ongoing constant ability - to be aware simultaneously of all or any levels of creation from gross to subtle. This is beyond Self- Realization. Without such a profound capacity to cognize the subtle levels of creation; we are indeed shortchanged in our capacity to evaluate any claims of Enlightenment based on the mere statement of having dissolved the personal mental I. So, while it's true that one may quibble about what is exactly on the criteria list; I have a feeling that you were not accessing this forum when MMY's tapes on the subject of kundalini signs was released. The list of criteria (as Vaj says); has been around for a very long time and hasn't seemed to change much Even if somebody could produce such a list, there would be those who would try to denigrate by finding fault with this and that. Who would those fault-finders be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: i did not say enlightenment is without attributes. has anything you have achieved in your life been so? amorphous, ungrounded, nebulous? of course not. as i said, enlightenment is a self referral state- you will be able to discern whether or not you are there. by your self. sure, take what knowledge is available out there- we all know it (CC GC 3rd eye UC Self- blah blah blah). haven't those here had enough though? didn't someone say earlier today that we have been meditating about what, 30 years already? christ on a crutch, what more do you need? it sounds though like you and others may be content to be in the circus with your oh so precious teachers vs. being the circus. to each his or her own. No, that's not it at all. From certain states and stages, certain signs are known to exist by those who've been thru the trip before. Otherwise you're just left guessing what the lineholders meant in a nebulous kind of way, esp. since it's much, much easier to mistake some thing for realization. People didn't just make this stuff up--a master will have traversed the path and be familiar with what occurred and then hopefully pass it on and watch his or her successors go through the whole thing again. In that sense, it's actually very scientific, albeit subjective and objective science. I feel MMY's list of attributes were actually quite good and they are all traditional (which isn't to imply he taught a complete path). The most obvious of all is the lack of need for sleep. There are specific reasons why that is the case--which is not to say you have to understand the reasons, there is no rote requirement of relative explanations that are necessary, but this is something that is quite common. Also, one may go through hundreds of realizations before they are fully enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
Vaj wrote: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin... I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. - Barack Obama 'Dreams from My Father' by Barack Obama Crown, 2007 I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. - Barack Obama 'Audacity of Hope' by Barack Obama Vintage, 2008
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: i did not say enlightenment is without attributes. has anything you have achieved in your life been so? amorphous, ungrounded, nebulous? of course not. as i said, enlightenment is a self referral state- you will be able to discern whether or not you are there. by your self. sure, take what knowledge is available out there- we all know it (CC GC 3rd eye UC Self- blah blah blah). haven't those here had enough though? didn't someone say earlier today that we have been meditating about what, 30 years already? christ on a crutch, what more do you need? it sounds though like you and others may be content to be in the circus with your oh so precious teachers vs. being the circus. to each his or her own. No, that's not it at all. From certain states and stages, certain signs are known to exist by those who've been thru the trip before. Otherwise you're just left guessing what the lineholders meant in a nebulous kind of way, esp. since it's much, much easier to mistake some thing for realization. People didn't just make this stuff up--a master will have traversed the path and be familiar with what occurred and then hopefully pass it on and watch his or her successors go through the whole thing again. In that sense, it's actually very scientific, albeit subjective and objective science. I feel MMY's list of attributes were actually quite good and they are all traditional (which isn't to imply he taught a complete path). The most obvious of all is the lack of need for sleep. There are specific reasons why that is the case--which is not to say you have to understand the reasons, there is no rote requirement of relative explanations that are necessary, but this is something that is quite common. Also, one may go through hundreds of realizations before they are fully enlightened. with all respect, what you say feels like house arrest to me, not enlightenment at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
Shemp wrote: ...and another 38% think he's a Muslim! As I've already pointed out, being Muslim is not qualified by practice nor quality of observance, but entirely on patrilineal descent and affirmation. Obama Jr. can only make his claim about his father legitimate, if he ignores the reality of his Muslim status, and occasional affirmation of Islam. Read more: 'Obama, Islam, the Truth (family)' Posted by Gregory Chang Stop Barack Obama, March 14, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6grruj
Re: [FairfieldLife] criteria for enlightenment
Everybody knows that the criteria for enlightenment is spontaneously speaking Chinese and having a permanent erection. Simple. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] criteria for enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:48 PM some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? could it be an organization like the tmo or a buddhist sect or a hindu guru, who insists that these criteria (that they came up with) must be met in order for your precious being to be declared enlightened? enlightenment is a self-referral state, inclusive of everything. what does this mean? this means that knowledge can be self verified in this state, including the state itself. if it is not a state of self referral, if there is doubt, it ain't enlightenment. so we have these groups out there, lots of them, claiming to hold - The List- of enlightened criteria. and a bunch of people buying into those lists. the tmo has a list. the buddhists have a bunch of lists. the hindu gurus have lists. everyone has a list. and as long as they can convince you that you need them, that you need the tmo raja, you need the buddhist lama, you need the guru, to check off items on the list for you, what do you do? You Support Them. You Support Them. ...in exchange for your missing and evasive enlightenment, of course. Ooops, not enough thingamajig in the whoseewhatsit...no enlightenment for you! Ooops only to 'level three', not 'level 4'... Uh oh, only a CBGB experience for you, keep going sound familiar? and what are you all trading away for your enlightenment? how much do you support your fave spiritual organization? go on retreats? get 'advanced techniques'? spend time with the ma$ter? do volunteer work? getting it? There is no organization, religious, spiritual or otherwise that is going to enlighten you, or verify when you are there. it is a fairytale, and for some, even a scam. enlightenment is all about self sufficient thinking and doing. it is not about the slavery which has been described here by others. so if you really want enlightenment, just go for it. you know what to do. and stop listening to all these damned spiritual organizations, out to blind you and pick your pockets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Resveratrol may protect against fatty liver disease
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resveratrol, a polyphenol found in red wine, may prevent against the development of fatty liver disease associated with chronic alcohol consumption, according to a study published in the American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology. The alcohol industry is trying to keep from becoming the next tobacco by funding research, just as the tobacco industry did for years. So the message is that drunks should be sure to increase their consumption of red wine in order to keep from destroying their livers. But reservatrol is available without resorting to red wine: The skin of red wine grape berries yields red wine catechins in chemical extraction. Among these catechins, the compound called resveratrol is the most active and is used by the grape plant itself to deter gray mold growth on the berries. While the red wine catechins can be extracted from purple grape juice and red wine as well, the compound resveratrol is the most abundant in the immature or raw grapes as these have the greatest susceptibility to mold - the content of resveratrol is also high in grapes that are grown in damp climates, such as those in the Long Island, New York based vineyards. http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_grape.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin... I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. - Barack Obama 'Dreams from My Father' by Barack Obama Crown, 2007 I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. - Barack Obama 'Audacity of Hope' by Barack Obama Vintage, 2008 More typical Willy Tex misquotes. I never realized how much Texas must be, intellectually and mindset wise, like an American Mordor. Please check out the window: when was the last time you actually saw the sun set Willy?... Check out the real quotes: SMEAR EMAIL ‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’ THE TRUTH FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father: All my life, I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had later tried to take as my own. The brilliant scholar, the generous friend, the upstanding leader—my father had been all those things. All those things and more, because except for that one brief visit in Hawaii, he had never been present to foil the image, because I hadn’t seen what perhaps most men see at some point in their lives: their father’s body shrinking, their father’s best hopes dashed, their father’s face lined with grief and regret. Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men—Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew—Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq— fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own—my father’s voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people’s struggle. Wake up, black man! Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by… what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost! [Page 220] and: SMEAR EMAIL ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’ THE TRUTH FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father: Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good- natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: “I am your friend,” “[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization,” and “You embody the American dream.” They’re right, my message is simple, for what I’ve come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect. Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. [Page 260-261]
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody knows that the criteria for enlightenment is spontaneously speaking Chinese and having a permanent erection. Simple. aka doing the peeking duck...
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody knows that the criteria for enlightenment is spontaneously speaking Chinese and having a permanent erection. Simple. Huang ho! Kappusivai, sano ryssä! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFc0zfVAvo
[FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody knows that the criteria for enlightenment is spontaneously speaking Chinese and having a permanent erection. Simple. Moo goo gai pan. Cool. Now I'm enlightened. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] criteria for enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:48 PM some on this list think criteria for enlightenment is essential. i'll ask them one rhetorical question: who comes up with the criteria? could it be an organization like the tmo or a buddhist sect or a hindu guru, who insists that these criteria (that they came up with) must be met in order for your precious being to be declared enlightened? enlightenment is a self-referral state, inclusive of everything. what does this mean? this means that knowledge can be self verified in this state, including the state itself. if it is not a state of self referral, if there is doubt, it ain't enlightenment. so we have these groups out there, lots of them, claiming to hold - The List- of enlightened criteria. and a bunch of people buying into those lists. the tmo has a list. the buddhists have a bunch of lists. the hindu gurus have lists. everyone has a list. and as long as they can convince you that you need them, that you need the tmo raja, you need the buddhist lama, you need the guru, to check off items on the list for you, what do you do? You Support Them. You Support Them. ...in exchange for your missing and evasive enlightenment, of course. Ooops, not enough thingamajig in the whoseewhatsit...no enlightenment for you! Ooops only to 'level three', not 'level 4'... Uh oh, only a CBGB experience for you, keep going sound familiar? and what are you all trading away for your enlightenment? how much do you support your fave spiritual organization? go on retreats? get 'advanced techniques'? spend time with the ma$ter? do volunteer work? getting it? There is no organization, religious, spiritual or otherwise that is going to enlighten you, or verify when you are there. it is a fairytale, and for some, even a scam. enlightenment is all about self sufficient thinking and doing. it is not about the slavery which has been described here by others. so if you really want enlightenment, just go for it. you know what to do. and stop listening to all these damned spiritual organizations, out to blind you and pick your pockets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp wrote: ...and another 38% think he's a Muslim! As I've already pointed out, being Muslim is not qualified by practice nor quality of observance, but entirely on patrilineal descent and affirmation. Obama Jr. can only make his claim about his father legitimate, if he ignores the reality of his Muslim status, and occasional affirmation of Islam. Occasional affirmation of islam? what does that mean? He doesn't believe all muslims are terrorists like you. Affirmation means you proclaim yourself a muslim and follow the precepts and laws of muslim religion which of course obama has never done. In fact his father never did it either. PS -- Some mormons in salt lake have probebly baptized you willy in a secret ceremony which according to them means you're really mormon. As far me, I'm not interesting in listening to child molesting polygamists like willy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: criteria for enlightenment
On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: No, that's not it at all. From certain states and stages, certain signs are known to exist by those who've been thru the trip before. Otherwise you're just left guessing what the lineholders meant in a nebulous kind of way, esp. since it's much, much easier to mistake some thing for realization. People didn't just make this stuff up--a master will have traversed the path and be familiar with what occurred and then hopefully pass it on and watch his or her successors go through the whole thing again. In that sense, it's actually very scientific, albeit subjective and objective science. I feel MMY's list of attributes were actually quite good and they are all traditional (which isn't to imply he taught a complete path). The most obvious of all is the lack of need for sleep. There are specific reasons why that is the case--which is not to say you have to understand the reasons, there is no rote requirement of relative explanations that are necessary, but this is something that is quite common. Also, one may go through hundreds of realizations before they are fully enlightened. with all respect, what you say feels like house arrest to me, not enlightenment at all. It's more like embracing the road of awakening, as it happens, never seeking some imagined end goal, but reveling in the places you've been and seen and felt and where you are, right here, right now. Remember that great scene just outside of Your Town Now?--another realizer is passing it just now. Ah so. Of course it could be you naturally see things through the window of your own biology and thus are more naturally predisposed to the right- brain way of seeing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin... I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. - Barack Obama 'Dreams from My Father' by Barack Obama Crown, 2007 I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. - Barack Obama 'Audacity of Hope' by Barack Obama Vintage, 2008 More typical Willy Tex misquotes. I never realized how much Texas must be, intellectually and mindset wise, like an American Mordor. Please check out the window: when was the last time you actually saw the sun set Willy?... Check out the real quotes: SMEAR EMAIL `I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.' THE TRUTH FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father: All my life, I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had later tried to take as my own. The brilliant scholar, the generous friend, the upstanding leadermy father had been all those things. All those things and more, because except for that one brief visit in Hawaii, he had never been present to foil the image, because I hadn't seen what perhaps most men see at some point in their lives: their father's body shrinking, their father's best hopes dashed, their father's face lined with grief and regret. Yes, I'd seen weakness in other menGramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knewFrank or Ray or Will or Rafiq fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my ownmy father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man! Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost! [Page 220] and: SMEAR EMAIL `I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' THE TRUTH FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father: Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good- natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: I am your friend, [Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization, and You embody the American dream. They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect. Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. [Page 260-261] C'mon Vaj, you expect a texas republican to actually be able to comprehend the above paragraphs? Obviously Mccain=Palin prove the winds have shifted in an ugly direction and as usual the country will recoil, though a little late, towards a more decent, democratic and prosperous direction.
Re: [FairfieldLife] My other next laptop ? -- advice?
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Ahhh, those ubiquitous Mexican computers, [North] American made -- Dell. Lenovo has been around for many years, both the company and the name, was the Asian manufacturer and distributor for IBM. Publicly, IBM said it wanted to spin off the laptops or PCs generally to generate capital, Lenovo was there to do it, already familiar not only with PCs but the IBM enterprise as well. George Carlin - The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenova used to be IBM's PC business. What I had heard about it was that a Chinese company bought out the PC business from IBM (which I think is both odd and sad being that the original PC was IBM's invention) and they used the name Lenovo for the new venture. That was a bit annoying to me, because I was using an IBM PC and an IBM 21-inch monitor at the time and wanted to go IBM again, but did not want to go with this new Chinese company. That is one of the reasons I kept my old PC too long. I have been very happy with the Dell XPS 630 I bought at the end of July. The support has been so good that I expect to stay with Dell as long as possible, assuming they do not slide. * Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma * --- On *Thu, 10/30/08, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] My other next laptop ? -- advice? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:57 PM Does anyone know anything about Lenovo laptops? I have a chance to buy a new one from a reliable local company, 15 inch screen, 2.8GHz, 128bit, 200 GB at 7200 rpm, Windows XP installed at aroind $2,200, 3 year warrenty. What do you think? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
boo_lives wrote: Check out the real quotes: http://tinyurl.com/5cdneq http://tinyurl.com/5cdneq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: 23% of Texans think Obama is a Muslin
As I've already pointed out, being Muslim is not qualified by practice nor quality of observance, but entirely on patrilineal descent and affirmation. Obama Jr. can only make his claim about his father legitimate, if he ignores the reality of his Muslim status, and occasional affirmation of Islam. boo wrote: Affirmation means you proclaim yourself a muslim and follow the precepts and laws of muslim religion which of course obama has never done. Both Obama and his sister, were born to Muslim fathers, making them Muslims by birth. As long as both were being raised by Lolo Soetoro, both were being raised as Muslims. The degree of practice did not matter. http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=112 ...I'm not interesting in listening to child molesting polygamists like willy. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort (most difficult for the ego) is to consider that he might be wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: -snip- What do you think? I think if the model of enlightenment allows the enlightened to be asses then I want no part of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment really all it's cracked up to be?
On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:03 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: -snip- What do you think? I think if the model of enlightenment allows the enlightened to be asses then I want no part of it. Hear, hear, Ruth! Best answer I've heard so far. My personal take is that most of this enlightenment talk is mega- boring, but maybe that's just me. Sal
