[FairfieldLife] 'Catholic Cleric Attacks Disney Corp.'

[Robert]

Disney accused by Catholic cleric of corrupting children's minds 
A leading Catholic cleric has launched a fierce attack on Disney, claiming it 
has corrupted children and encouraged greed. 

 

Christopher Jamison, the Abbot of Worth in West Sussex, has accused the 
corporation of "exploiting spirituality" to sell its products and of turning 
Disneyland into a modern day pilgrimage site. 
He argues that it pretends to provide stories with a moral message, but has 
actually helped to create a more materialistic culture. 
In a guide to helping people find happiness, the abbot, who starred in the 
hit-BBC series The Monastery, warns that society is in danger of losing its 
soul because of growing consumerism and the decline of religion. 
He suggests that many people have become obsessed with work, sex and eating in 
an attempt to ignore their underlying unhappiness, and criticises corporations 
and industries that have benefited from promoting false notions of fulfilment. 
Fr Jamison, who has been tipped as a contender to succeed Cardinal Cormac 
Murphy O'Connor as the next Archbishop of Westminster, targets the behaviour of 
Disney in particular, which he says is "a classic example" of how consumerism 
is being sold as an alternative to finding happiness in traditional morality. 
While he acknowledges that Disney stories carry messages showing good 
triumphing over evil, he argues this is part of a ploy to persuade people that 
they should buy Disney products in order to be "a good and happy family". 
He cites films such as Sleeping Beauty and 101 Dalmatians that feature moral 
battles, but get into children's imaginations and make them greedy for the 
merchandise that goes with them. 
"The message behind every movie and book, behind every theme park and T-shirt 
is that our children's world needs Disney," he says. 
"So they absolutely must go to see the next Disney movie, which we'll also want 
to give them on DVD as a birthday present. 
"They will be happier if they live the full Disney experience; and thousands of 
families around the world buy into this deeper message as they flock to 
Disneyland." 
He continues: "This is the new pilgrimage that children desire, a rite of 
passage into the meaning of life according to Disney. 
"Where once morality and meaning were available as part of our free cultural 
inheritance, now corporations sell them to us as products." 
Fr Jamison, who is one of Britain's most prominent Catholic clerics, claims 
that brands such as Disney market themselves to be about more than mere 
materialism to create an addiction to consumption. 
"This is basically the commercial exploitation of spirituality," he says, 
adding that as a result Disney and other corporations "inhabit our 
imagination". 
"Once planted there they can make us endlessly greedy. And that is exactly what 
they are doing." 
The Walt Disney Company, founded in 1923 by brothers Walt and Roy Disney, is 
one of the world's biggest entertainment companies. It owns 11 theme parks and 
several television networks, while its Hollywood studios have produced more 
than 200 feature films. 
Last week, the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, expressed similar concerns 
about the direction of society when he said that social cohesion has been 
eradicated due to "rampant consumerism and individualism". 
In 2006, Lord Layard, the Government's "happiness Tsar", urged for a rethink of 
economic and social policy after concluding that the pursuit of financial 
success has led to a rise in depression and emotional impoverishment. 
However, in Fr Jamison's new book, Finding Happiness, he suggests that many of 
the answers can be found by people living more simply. 
The book, published this week, urges people to reject the superficial 
temptations offered by contemporary culture. 
He criticises the obsession with celebrity, which he blames for creating 
jealousy and a society in which people are dissatisfied with their life. 
"Celebrity news magazines do no apparent external harm, but are a complete 
waste of interior time and space. 
"Envy tells us to stop facing the challenges of the present life and to live in 
some future fantasy. Such envy drives a large part of our consumer culture." 
People need to learn to control their thoughts, and practice more 
self-discipline and self-control in their life, he says. 
He says there are "eight thoughts" which need to be controlled to help people 
to discover happiness. Six of them (anger, pride, gluttony, lust, greed, and 
spiritual apathy or sloth) are found among the list of deadly sins. To this he 
adds sadness and vanity. 
Fr Jamison has risen to be one of Britain's most well-known Catholic clerics 
following the screening of The Monastery, which was filmed at Worth Abbey where 
he is abbot. 
 
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Religious Affairs Correspondent 
Last Updated: 9:21PM GMT 29 Nov 2008


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'India's Security at 'War Level'...

[bob_brigante]

India has been at war, hot or cold, with Pakistan since the partition 61
years ago -- http://snipurl.com/6zgzb   
[en_wikipedia_org]. Graphic pics of the Mumbai attacks:

http://boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/mumbai_under_attack.html

[FairfieldLife] 'India's Security at 'War Level'...

[Robert]

By Rina Chandran
MUMBAI (Reuters) - The fallout from a three-day rampage that killed nearly 200 
people in Mumbai threatened on Sunday to unravel India's improving ties with 
Pakistan and prompted the resignation of India's security minister.
New Delhi said it was raising security to a "war level" and had no doubt of a 
Pakistani link to the attacks, which unleashed anger at home over the 
intelligence failure and the delayed response to the violence that paralyzed 
India's financial capital.
Officials in Islamabad have warned any escalation would force it to divert 
troops to the Indian border and away from a U.S.-led anti-militant campaign on 
the Afghan frontier.
Newspaper commentaries blasted politicians for failing to prevent the attacks 
and for taking advantage of its fallout before voting in Delhi on Saturday and 
national polls due by May.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said he would boost and overhaul the 
nation's counterterrorism capabilities, an announcement which came after 
Federal Home Minister Shivraj Patil resigned over the attacks.
"We share the hurt of the people and their sense of anger and outrage," Singh 
said. "Several measures are already in place ... But clearly much more needs to 
be done and we are determined to take all necessary measures to overhaul the 
system," he said.
Air and sea security would be increased, and India's main counter-terrorist 
National Security Guard would be increased in size and given more regional 
bases, he said in a statement.
Singh also named Finance Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram -- much derided as 
finance minister but respected for his work overhauling India's security 
agencies as a junior minister in the 1990s -- to take over Patil's job.
Singh, an economist by training, will take over the finance portfolio for now, 
the government said.
Analysts said they expect India's financial markets to get a boost from the 
personnel changes.
"Markets will rejoice," Arum Kejriwal, a strategist at research firm Kris, said 
of Chidambaram and Patil. "People will accept that the government has removed 
two non-performers and this can positively influence the markets."
Indian stocks closed up marginally after markets opened on Friday, the first 
time since the attacks, while the rupee fell. But analysts said it had already 
been under pressure.
Indian officials have said most, if not all, of the 10 Islamist attackers who 
held Mumbai hostage came from Pakistan.
The tension between the nuclear rivals has raised the prospect of a breakdown 
of peace efforts going on since 2004. The two nations have fought three wars 
since 1947, when Muslim Pakistan was carved out of Hindu-majority India.
They went to the brink of a fourth conflict after a 2001 militant attack on the 
Indian parliament which New Delhi also blamed on Pakistan.
"We will increase security and strengthen it at a war level like we have never 
done it before," Sriprakash Jaiswal, India's minister of state for home 
affairs, told Reuters on Sunday.
"They can say what they want, but we have no doubt that the terrorists had come 
from Pakistan," Jaiswal said.
An official in Islamabad said the next one to two days would be crucial for 
relations. Pakistan has condemned the assaults and denied any involvement by 
state agencies.
MOPPING THE BLOOD
The three-day rampage and siege in Mumbai turned India's financial and 
entertainment hub into a televised war zone.
On Sunday, the smell of disinfectant was strong outside Cafe Leopold, and the 
sidewalk wet from mopping -- a different sight from Wednesday night, when 
blood-splattered shoes and napkins lay strewn among broken furniture and glass.
It opened briefly before police came and shut it down again, saying 
investigations needed to be completed first.
Elsewhere in the trendy Colaba district where the fighting took place, shops 
were open and traffic flowed despite police barricades and heavy clean-up work 
around the Taj Mahal hotel, a 105-year-old landmark and site of the longest 
siege.
Broken windows were boarded up and firemen used a crane to reach the sixth 
floor, gutted by a fire set by the militants as they fought dozens of commandos 
in the corridors.
Elite Black Cat commandos killed the last of the gunmen on Saturday after three 
days of room-to-room battling inside the Taj, one of several landmarks struck 
in coordinated attacks on Wednesday night.
Hundreds of people, many of them Westerners, were trapped or taken hostage as 
the gunmen hurled grenades and fired indiscriminately. At least 22 of those 
killed were foreigners, including businessmen and tourists.
Nine gunmen and 20 police and soldiers were also killed. A tenth militant was 
caught alive.
On Saturday, India's navy and coast guard boosted coastal patrols, after 
evidence mounted that the attackers had come by boat to Mumbai from Karachi, 
Pakistan's main port.
India's Home Ministry said the official toll in Mumbai was 183 killed. Earlier, 
Mumbai disaster authorities said at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Re-Imcarnation.

[margovon]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> snip
> > Hi Rick,
> > 
> > I read some of the discussion about the Solid Proof.
> > 
> > Since I had some of these clear experiences, about who I was
> > in former time, and even read some of the biographies about "me", 
> > I can tell you, that no mount of speculation and theoryrizing
> > will ever clear that subject to someone, who never had these
> > insights.
> 
> Yeah, you know who else confuses intensity of subjective experience
> and beliefs with epistemological validity?  The guys who just turned
> Mumbai into a slaughterhouse. And I'm guessing that you have never
> worked out the mathematical probability of the lesser population of
> the past becoming the exponentially higher population of today with
> you as one of the "famous people." Isn't that a convenient 
> connection with how special you feel about yourself?  

Curtis, Joerg's sanctimonious tone is certainly irritating but
comparing him to the Mumbai terrorists is a little harsh. He claims
his subjective experience forms his belief about past lives and
something he reads verifies it. The Mumbai terrorists read something
from the Koran and it forms a belief but they do not base their belief
on subjective experience. Apples and Oranges.

Riddle: 
If we wonder what it is like to be dead. What do dead people wonder?

Answer: 
What is it like to be alive?

No one is ever satisfied. Desire for more keeps the wheel turning.
Just saying. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:


As usual Judy your argument leads to meta-communication. Far from the
original topic, a post-modern jumble of questioned syntax and illusive
trops.

There is not enough time in the day for this.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Re-Imcarnation.

[curtisdeltablues]

snip
> Hi Rick,
> 
> I read some of the discussion about the Solid Proof.
> 
> Since I had some of these clear experiences, about who I was
> in former time, and even read some of the biographies about "me", 
> I can tell you, that no mount of speculation and theoryrizing
> will ever clear that subject to someone, who never had these
> insights.

Yeah, you know who else confuses intensity of subjective experience
and beliefs with epistemological validity?  The guys who just turned
Mumbai into a slaughterhouse. And I'm guessing that you have never
worked out the mathematical probability of the lesser population of
the past becoming the exponentially higher population of today with
you as one of the "famous people." Isn't that a convenient connection
with how special you feel about yourself?  

> 
> Like it says: Consciousness only knows itself.
> But cannot put these insights into other doubting minds.

Sure you could, but it would have to be more than your intensity of
belief wouldn't it?  How do you know that I'm not having an intensely
subjective "knowledge" that this is full of it right now?  Just as
mystically knowingnessintudeinmentinhood as your own inner cognition.

> 
> The insights into these connections come very easy and silent,
> as a clear understanding. Its like expanding your understanding
> about any other subject of interest.
> Sometimes during the day, sometimes during meditation.
> And also duing intense EmC-sessions.
> 
> Normally there is no discussion with those who never had these
> insights.

Cuz they might interrupt your fantasy with some questions?

< It`s in the Vedas.>

Oh yeah, that is like s solid.  You know like the books that
describe how some people are just born to serve, those books?  

> Don`t confuse people with your understanding and insights.

Anti-intellectualism has worked out s well for mankind, hasn't it?
> 
> That`s why the real insights are still secret.

Well isn't that special.  Some of us are interested in finding out
when we are full of shit.
> 
> But there are some patterns.
> Like: grandparents come back as your children.
> And very troubled relationships have very clear
> origins in much former times.

Uh huh,  Your last girlfriend dumped you.  I wonder why?  Must be past
lives.
> 
> cheers

To my special insight that doesn't ever need to be questioned cuz I
just KNOW!
> 
> joerg.

The office of homeland security has just changed your name to
"George."  Please use this name in the future.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Milarepa DVD

[Marek Reavis]

That could easily be Cannon Beach and not La Push in Twilight.   I've got no 
recollection of what Cannon Beach looks like.  The fact that the spot was 
presented as 
La Push and my imperfect memories of it from the mid-80s could easily be an 
explanation.  

But it sure looked good in the part.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The director is a Tibetan monk.  He apparently did one feature film 
> before.  The interview with him was very interesting.  The 
> cinematographer was from Australia.  Most of the cast and crew were 
> amateurs and many were monks from his monastery.  I'm waiting for part 2.
> 
> According to IMDB that was Cannon Beach not La Push.  And it looked like 
> Cannon Beach the part south of Haystack Rock.  But IMDB can be wrong.
> 
> Marek Reavis wrote:
> > Just saw the DVD weekend last and I agree with you.  It's excellent.  
> > Milarepa's 
story is 
> > really compelling; I first read his bio on some course in the 70s and it 
> > totally took 
me 
> > in.  The director and cinematographer are fine; the actors are excellent 
(Milaprepa's 
> > mother is so intense); I'm looking forward to the next chapter.
> >
> > Saw Twilight in SF with my daughter and her boyfriend the night before 
thanksgiving.  
> > You were right, it's a teen girl's movie, entirely; but it was excellent to 
> > see the 
> > Olympic Peninsula on the big screen.  And particularly so, La Push.  I'd 
> > heard that 
> > folks surfed there but my memories of it are as a purely beautiful but 
> > forbidding 
wild 
> > ocean beach.  If I ever make it up there again I'll bring my board.
> >
> > **
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> I rented this on DVD and watched it last night.  I think many here would 
> >> enjoy it.  It is part one and part two according to the DVD will be out 
> >> next year:
> >>
> >> http://milarepamovie.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499238/
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Solid Proof of Re-Imcarnation.

[Rick Archer]

From: joerg dao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Solid Proof of Re-Imcarnation.

 


Hi Rick,

I read some of the discussion about the Solid Proof.

Since I had some of these clear experiences, about who I was
in former time, and even read some of the biographies about "me", 
I can tell you, that no mount of speculation and theoryrizing
will ever clear that subject to someone, who never had these
insights.

Like it says: Consciousness only knows itself.
But cannot put these insights into other doubting minds.

The insights into these connections come very easy and silent,
as a clear understanding. Its like expanding your understanding
about any other subject of interest.
Sometimes during the day, sometimes during meditation.
And also duing intense EmC-sessions.

Normally there is no discussion with those who never had these
insights. It`s in the Vedas.
Don`t confuse people with your understanding and insights.

That`s why the real insights are still secret.

But there are some patterns.
Like: grandparents come back as your children.
And very troubled relationships have very clear
origins in much former times.

cheers

joerg.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > The real question here is why you can't seem to
> > grasp that I'm not espousing any particular
> > afterlife model (there are many more than two,
> > BTW), or even the belief that there *is* an
> > afterlife.
> 
> Two posts ago I suggested you were agnostic on
> the subject.

And then in this recent one you demanded that I
tell you which afterlife belief was correct!

  Let it go
> Judy - I am not arguing about your beliefs.

Then stop attributing beliefs to me, please.

> snip
> >
> > There is no more evidence *against* an afterlife
> > than there is *for* an afterlife.
> 
> Thats not true.  There are plenty simple exercises
> you can do at home to test the theory of reincarnation.
> Here is one for example:
> 
> Imagine one of your past lives. Remember a detail from it.
> Do some research to see if that detail has any validity.

This isn't evidence against afterlife or
reincarnation, Stu.

> In my posts I have suggested some other simple exercises.

Which aren't evidence against afterlife or
reincarnation either.

  There is no
> reason to believe if reincarnation was important and
> natural as death that it should be so hidden from people.

Sure there is. If it happens, it happens after
you die. We don't know what happens after you
die.

  What other natural human
> processes have this hidden agenda?  Why would it take a
> shaman to tell us about these cycles?

We don't know whether we simply cease to exist
after death either. Why not, since death is a
natural human process?

> > > The point is culture develops and decorates the
> > > innate psychological building blocks of religious
> > > beliefs.
> >
> > And of materialist beliefs as well.
> 
> Empiricism does not fully constitute belief systems.

Not fully, but its most basic tenet is a belief.

> Just because our brain is hard wired to desire an
> afterlife doesn't mean it exists.  There is no
> observable evidence for such a thing.  However
> there is plenty of evidence that without a brain
> we loose consciousness.

That's not evidence for what happens after you die.
For all we know, the consciousness that inhabited
the brain we've lost is swirling around on some
other plane. We know the brainless (dead) body
doesn't exhibit consciousness, but that's it.


> > To pretend to certainty either way is foolish. We
> > simply don't know, and there's no way to find out
> > (or not find out, depending) for sure except to die.
> 
> Not true. Because reincarnation suggests we have
> already been through these cycles.  The death in
> this life would constitute just one more we have
> already experienced.  How many cycles do I need
> to go through before I am convinced this is the
> way of the world?

Non sequitur. That's conjecture, not evidence 
against.

> In fact as TMers who have been meditating for as
> many years as us (I am going past 30 years now) I
> should be sufficiently ready to shuck off samsara.
> My death may be the one that ends the cycle - it
> would prove nothing.

Non sequitur.

I'm not arguing against your belief that there's
no afterlife. I'm just saying your arguments for
any kind of certainty are very weak.

[FairfieldLife] Some Excellent Spiritual teachers FREE to watch on youtube etc

[Rick Archer]

>From a friend:

some interesting teachers;
charlie hayes for instance: (3rd one on list)
was a race car driver; got injured
became succesful auto dealer + wife
lost business and wife
became seeker for 30 years( Sidha Yoga, TM )
and finally awakened advaita teacher

  http://www.divinediamondhealing.com/
 
http://www.divinediamondhealing.com/About%20Aniruddhan%20Links.htmls

Burt Harding may have some sort of Healing practice also; seems very sharp,
but low key, have to listen for a while and let him grow on you to realize
how profound he is and also down to earth.

 
http://www.members.shaw.ca/burtharding/
Burt Harding videos on YouTube
 
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=burtharding&view=videos

  http://charliehayes36.tripod.com/
Charlie Hayes videos on YouTube
 
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=charlesdavidhayes

  http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/
Jeff Foster videos on YouTube
 
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=lifewithoutacentre&view=favorites
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/lifewithoutacentre

  http://rananda.com/
videos   http://rananda.com/products.html
6 short videos
  http://nl.youtube.com/user/2lelie
*   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SalbL4qmFZs

 

[FairfieldLife] MUM Legal Case

[Rick Archer]

Someone wants to know:

 

Hi Rick-Do you or anyone you know (Fairfield Life) know anything about the
court case involving MUM and the stabbing murder and wounding of the two
students a couple of years ago?  I've heard the case was now being tried in
Des Moines, but I don't know if this is true or how it may be going.

 

Any info would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

[FairfieldLife] Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Dam Mast qalander Mast Mast

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sa85QO6pyA&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Nusrat: Dam Mast Qalandar

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agyYyr11xgI&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan Live - Mast Mast

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-5mLjDZeDE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" buttsplicer@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
> > nitpicking sniped
>
> Translation: Correction of embarrassing mistake by
> Stu snipped.
>
> > > In any case, Jewish belief in reincarnation
> > > *today* is a non sequitur if you're attempting
> > > to claim that because Jesus is not recorded (in
> > > the canonical Gospels, at any rate) as having
> > > espoused reincarnation, therefore it cannot
> > > be true (which point is extremely weak anyway
> > > because the canonical Gospels have been redacted,
> > > as I pointed out earlier).
> > >
> > Then I stand corrected.  Western religions are
> > susceptible to two afterlife superstitions.
> > Reincarnation as well as the judgment myth.
> > Perhaps either you or Mr. Lawson can tell me
> > the exact ratio of who believes what.  You may
> > want to leave room for the believers of the
> > Rapture (a popular subset of the judgment myth).
> > And lets not forget all the more modern stories
> > of ghosts and ghouls.  After you guys tell me
> > the ratio can you more importantly expound on
> > which myth is correct?
>
> The real question here is why you can't seem to
> grasp that I'm not espousing any particular
> afterlife model (there are many more than two,
> BTW), or even the belief that there *is* an
> afterlife.

Two posts ago I suggested  you were agnostic on the subject.  Let it go
Judy - I am not arguing about your beliefs.
snip
>
> There is no more evidence *against* an afterlife
> than there is *for* an afterlife.

Thats not true.  There are plenty simple exercises you can do at home to
test the theory of reincarnation.  Here is one for example:

Imagine one of your past lives.
Remember a detail from it.
Do some research to see if that detail has any validity.

In my posts I have suggested some other simple exercises.  There is no
reason to believe if reincarnation was important and  natural as death
that it should be so hidden from people.  What other natural human
processes have this hidden agenda?  Why would it take a shaman to tell
us about these cycles?

>
> > The point is culture develops and decorates the
> > innate psychological building blocks of religious
> > beliefs.
>
> And of materialist beliefs as well.

Empiricism does not fully constitute belief systems.  IE.  Common sense
tells us the world is geocentic.  After all its clear from observation
that the sun rises in the east and falls in the west.

However the empirical evidence suggest a heliocentric world. 
Mathematical observation, repeatable and verifiable experiments, a
superior model move us towards a great understanding of the facts of the
kosmos.

Just because our brain is hard wired to desire an afterlife doesn't mean
it exists.  There is no observable evidence for such a thing.  However
there is plenty of evidence that without a brain we loose consciousness.
If you ever had anesthesia for an operation you must know that.

And as you know Judy, I do not identify myself in any way shape of form
a materialist.  I do not believe in matter.  There is only process.


>
> To pretend to certainty either way is foolish. We
> simply don't know, and there's no way to find out
> (or not find out, depending) for sure except to die.
>

Not true.  Because reincarnation suggests we have already been through
these cycles.  The death in this life would constitute just one more we
have already experienced.  How many cycles do I need to go through
before I am convinced this is the way of the world?

In fact as TMers who have been meditating for as many years as us (I am
going past 30 years now) I should be sufficiently ready to shuck off
samsara.  My death may be the one that ends the cycle - it would prove
nothing.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Must Must

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-5mLjDZeDE

[FairfieldLife] How to earn a French pension

[bob_brigante]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/world/europe/01legion.html

[FairfieldLife] Ustad Fateh Ali Khan & Jan Garbarek

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAK2_tVPsIM&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jan Garbarek Group - Bluesy 99 names

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Luise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Of his stuff I liked this best
> Jan Garbarek & Ustad Fateh Ali Khan - Saga

I disagree, but how did you meet this music ? 
They did some wonderful music together, much more than "Saga". 
Unfortunatly this is all youtube has to offer: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3O_sGFrOm4&feature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Milarepa DVD

[Bhairitu]

The director is a Tibetan monk.  He apparently did one feature film 
before.  The interview with him was very interesting.  The 
cinematographer was from Australia.  Most of the cast and crew were 
amateurs and many were monks from his monastery.  I'm waiting for part 2.

According to IMDB that was Cannon Beach not La Push.  And it looked like 
Cannon Beach the part south of Haystack Rock.  But IMDB can be wrong.

Marek Reavis wrote:
> Just saw the DVD weekend last and I agree with you.  It's excellent.  
> Milarepa's story is 
> really compelling; I first read his bio on some course in the 70s and it 
> totally took me 
> in.  The director and cinematographer are fine; the actors are excellent 
> (Milaprepa's 
> mother is so intense); I'm looking forward to the next chapter.
>
> Saw Twilight in SF with my daughter and her boyfriend the night before 
> thanksgiving.  
> You were right, it's a teen girl's movie, entirely; but it was excellent to 
> see the 
> Olympic Peninsula on the big screen.  And particularly so, La Push.  I'd 
> heard that 
> folks surfed there but my memories of it are as a purely beautiful but 
> forbidding wild 
> ocean beach.  If I ever make it up there again I'll bring my board.
>
> **
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I rented this on DVD and watched it last night.  I think many here would 
>> enjoy it.  It is part one and part two according to the DVD will be out 
>> next year:
>>
>> http://milarepamovie.com/
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499238/
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saving Free Enterprise

[Bhairitu]

Nelson wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Since I have heard a number of interviews with people advocating 
>> stipends due to the decreasing jobs market I went on a search for some 
>> of them.  Here's one proposal and the author has done his homework on 
>> the subject:
>> http://marshallbrain.com/25000.htm
>>
>> More detailed information on the impact of technology on the workforce:
>> http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm
>>
>> 
> snip,
>Maybe, with the population reduction proponents working on it,
> there wont be any problem after all.  N.
Depends upon what you mean by "population reduction." ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Terje Rypdal - the return of Per Ulv

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I won't even listen to this Eurotrash nonsense. Everybody in America 
KNOWS that jazz can only be played by colored people. God, everybody 
knows this!!

Me too; watch this drummer :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjgr9UJuODM&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That was an excellent description of how those courses felt.  I really
> enjoyed reading it till he reminded me of how dickish the "prison of
> specialness" perspective can be at the end:
> 
> > On the ferry to Staten Island I saw the Statue of Liberty and
> wondered > how so many millions of people could live with an idea of
> freedom  > without yearning to touch the purest freedom of all: the
> pure  > consciousness within them. In the subway I felt protected by a
> shield > of grace; here I was in the tense pulsations of a metropolis,  
> > possessed of the knowledge that would bring about the serenity that  
> > was Godhead. No one knew who I was, yet my soul moved invisibly over  
> > all of them, confident that in time they too would awaken from the  
> > nightmare of their ignorance. 
> 
> Well La di F'n Da, Mr. About-to-Have-a-Psychotic-Breakdown.
> (snip)...
This dude is really into mood-making, eh?
Sounds like he missed the main course in India, with the Beatles and Mia.
This guy is mainlining TM...
Doing lines of TM.
Snorting too much TM.

Thanks for the memories of a more innocent and idiotic time...
R.g.

[FairfieldLife] Jan Garbarek Group - Mission: To be Where I am

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzSRemRHwZI&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
> nitpicking sniped

Translation: Correction of embarrassing mistake by
Stu snipped.

> > In any case, Jewish belief in reincarnation
> > *today* is a non sequitur if you're attempting
> > to claim that because Jesus is not recorded (in
> > the canonical Gospels, at any rate) as having
> > espoused reincarnation, therefore it cannot
> > be true (which point is extremely weak anyway
> > because the canonical Gospels have been redacted,
> > as I pointed out earlier).
> >
> Then I stand corrected.  Western religions are
> susceptible to two afterlife superstitions.
> Reincarnation as well as the judgment myth. 
> Perhaps either you or Mr. Lawson can tell me
> the exact ratio of who believes what.  You may
> want to leave room for the believers of the
> Rapture (a popular subset of the judgment myth).
> And lets not forget all the more modern stories
> of ghosts and ghouls.  After you guys tell me
> the ratio can you more importantly expound on
> which myth is correct?

The real question here is why you can't seem to
grasp that I'm not espousing any particular
afterlife model (there are many more than two,
BTW), or even the belief that there *is* an
afterlife.

What I've been doing is pointing out that your
argument against reincarnation is not anywhere
near as strong as you think it is. I've already
dealt with your point about Jesus. Additionally,
that a belief "can be explained by" the results
of some psychological test does not mean that it
*is* explained by that psychological test. You
can't rule out the validity of the belief on
that basis.


> There is ample evidence that despite the
> obvious evidence that dead people are dead - there
> is a strong propensity to deny the obvious.

There is no more evidence *against* an afterlife
than there is *for* an afterlife.

> The point is culture develops and decorates the
> innate psychological building blocks of religious
> beliefs.

And of materialist beliefs as well.

To pretend to certainty either way is foolish. We
simply don't know, and there's no way to find out
(or not find out, depending) for sure except to die.

[FairfieldLife] Jan Garbarek Group - Brother Wind March

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjgr9UJuODM&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Brave American souls: Miles Davies & John Scofield

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqI3vRq6Kyw&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jan Garbarek Group - Bluesy 99 names

[Janet Luise]

I'm curious as why you linked this music with  such a gut blue-y
number as the Stand By Me that started this thread?   I love that song
& listen to it several times a day.

 Jan Garbarek  reminds me more of Don Ellis who I listen to a lot in
the late 60s  unique but you've got to get your head into it.

Of his stuff I liked this best
Jan Garbarek & Ustad Fateh Ali Khan - Saga

Here's another one that's hard to get out of your ears.. 

This is the 99 beautiful names but with an almost rock & roll or at
least good gut beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c99SB0rZfRM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Love At First Sight

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >

> > But really, dude. What IS it if it isn't a flash of
> > recognition of someone you've done time with before in
> > another life? I'd like to hear your take on it, espec-
> > ially given your involvement in one of the most
> > unabashedly hopelessly romantic TV series in ages.
> >
> The poetry of Pushing Daisies was the result of a team of experts who
> knew how to manipulate images and sound in the most dynamic way to get
a
> visceral reaction from the audience.  Some of us on the crew are huge
> romantics other of us are not.  But we are all good at creating the
> illusion of connection and magic on a flickering 2 dimensional
surface.
> There is no romance in the process - it is carefully controlled frame
by
> frame so the process is transparent and the eye is delighted.  Its a
> mirage.

I usually don't reply to my own posts.  But when I was meditating I
realized I missed an important point about the manipulation at play on a
show like Pushing Daisies.

The budget was more than 5 million dollars.
The script was worked and reworked over a period of several years.
It took a crew of about 80 people 18 12-hour plus days to shoot it.
I had about 8 weeks to cut the show aided by assistants, a dialog
editor, efx editor, music editor, Foley artist mixers, a visual effects
crew of a dozen people, and a composer and musicians.

All of these people are dedicated to making the final 42 minutes look
fresh, spontaneous, and emotional.  But the process itself is anything
but.

s.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Terje Rypdal - the return of Per Ulv

[Peter]

I won't even listen to this Eurotrash nonsense. Everybody in America KNOWS that 
jazz can only be played by colored people. God, everybody knows this!!

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Terje Rypdal - the return of Per Ulv
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:10 PM
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcSg7cf4MVo&feature=related
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[FairfieldLife] A great American Guitarist

[nablusoss1008]

Not for Hillbillies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaotTRHExE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
nitpicking sniped
> In any case, Jewish belief in reincarnation
> *today* is a non sequitur if you're attempting
> to claim that because Jesus is not recorded (in
> the canonical Gospels, at any rate) as having
> espoused reincarnation, therefore it cannot
> be true (which point is extremely weak anyway
> because the canonical Gospels have been redacted,
> as I pointed out earlier).
>
Then I stand corrected.  Western religions are susceptible to two
afterlife superstitions. Reincarnation as well as the judgment myth. 
Perhaps either you or Mr. Lawson can tell me the exact ratio of who
believes what.  You may want to leave room for the believers of the
Rapture (a popular subset of the judgment myth). And lets not forget all
the more modern stories of ghosts and ghouls.  After you guys tell me
the ratio can you more importantly expound on which myth is correct?  I
can't imagine Mormons are reunited in heaven while Hindus are spinning
around this wheel.

This only reinforces my original thesis.  Given consciousness has
clearly demonstrates the simulation constraint hypothesis (as put forth
by Jessie Bering, director of the Institute of Cognition and Culture,
Queens University, Belfast).  And neurobiologists have demonstrated such
strong forces as Person Permanence as physical properties of the brain. 
Along with numerous psych studies concerning values and attitudes people
who believe in an afterlife (such as the published work of Bjorkland
from Florida Atlantic University, and Gerald Koocherm from The U of
Missouri).  There is ample evidence that despite the obvious evidence
that dead people are dead - there is a strong propensity to deny the
obvious.

The point is culture develops and decorates the innate psychological
building blocks of religious beliefs.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Jan Garbarek Group - Mission: To be Where I am

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzSRemRHwZI&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Terje Rypdal - the return of Per Ulv

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcSg7cf4MVo&feature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Peter]

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to 
> Enlightenment 1
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:49 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> OF course, I heard different perspectives
> (that word again)
> > > from
> > >>> various people
> > >>> who were there at the time. INcluding
> Carlson hiring a
> > > helicopter to
> > >>> drop leaflets
> > >>> on the campus and driving around the
> grass in a jeep handing
> > > things
> > >>> out as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> But, I wasn't there so...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Enlightened action is unfathomable.
> > >>
> > > so you are saying that rc was enlightened? prove
> it please.
> > 
> > 
> > NO, not at all. Just that he is typical--albeit sans
> some of the  
> > craziness--of most (all?) TMer claimants of E.
> > 
> > > as is commonly known, the practice of TM brings
> about permanent 
> and
> > > complete enlightenment, reliably and
> mechanically. what this rc 
> guy
> > > is going through is a fantasy enlightenment,
> easily recognized by
> > > his complete lack of integration with his
> environment; subjective
> > > duality.
> > 
> > No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the
> traditional criteria 
> for  
> > CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not
> stopped people 
> from  
> > making such (often hilarious) claims.
> > 
> > Actually RWC claimed to be awake and perfectly
> integrated with 
> all  
> > states of consciousness, including waking (his
> "environment") and  
> > sleeping (of course). And he gave the almost perfect
> verbal  
> > descriptions thereof--as far as he was taught (and
> thus 
> conditioned).  
> > In other words his descriptions (and ALL of those
> making such 
> claims)  
> > have never, n'er once, strayed beyond what they
> were conditioned 
> to  
> > believe and into what the full criteria are! The
> enlightened 
> emperor  
> > has no clothes and is on tour! My what a beautiful
> outfit.
> > 
> > Go figure, huh? These are in no way dissimilar to
> other TM 
> claimants,  
> > albeit, once again, sans his zaniness.
> > 
> > As you can imagine: we've had a lot of
> entertainment here on this  
> > list. You just happen to be the next, but a little
> more 
> lackluster  
> > than the previous ones. Don't you have anything
> groundbreaking to  
> > share E-Dawn?
> >
> enlightenment is about two things, complete freedom, and
> complete 
> integration. this state of awareness is achievable through
> the 
> practice of TM. 
> 
> despite your assertion to the contrary, there is no
> definitive list 
> on what CC is (or what i would call pre-enlightenment), and
> even if 
> some traditions have wasted their time compiling such a
> list of what 
> pre-enlightenment is, it is useless, and serves the
> religion much 
> more than its adherents. you sound like one of the
> "lucky" ones who 
> believe in such a list.
> 
> enlightenment is a life lived without boundaries, in the
> world, with 
> a fully developed and functioning personality. nothing
> special, just 
> perfectly normal.
> 
> pretty (yawn) groundbreaking, huh vaj? 

I agree with Dawn here regarding CC as pre-enlightenement. CC is the 
recognition of the non-localization of consciousness. MMY's teachings, if you 
paid attention, can give you some conceptual tools to understand this, but many 
people that have this "experience" will seek outside the TM tradition to find 
the concepts that articulate these experiences. Also, all concepts about higher 
states of consciousness/enlightenment/realization are initially formed in a 
waking state mind and therefore are distorted by the necessary boundaries of 
waking state. When consciousness is recognized as non-localized, the conceptual 
tool-kit has to get adjusted a bit. The idea of non-localization and the direct 
realization of non-localization are a tad different from one another!   




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Blacks prefer being called 'coloured people'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
[OffWorld wrote:]
> > >
> > > (Curtis, Shemp, Lurk, Pete, and others... totally
> > > OWNED by OffWorld here.  OWNED ! ! ! )

> 
> "Owned"? WTF? Off, you need to get laid or to do a
> couple of extra sets of asanas. I've never seen such
> self-aggrandizing nonsense.

own
verb

to defeat someone severely in a verbal argument or
in a competition. To "put someone in their place."
Used frequently in online gaming. When used to
describe a verbal argument, the term is generally
used to describe a situation in which one person
attempts to deal a closing blow in the argument,
but is shot down by evidence that completely
destroys the foundation of that person's argument.

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Milarepa DVD

[Marek Reavis]

Just saw the DVD weekend last and I agree with you.  It's excellent.  
Milarepa's story is 
really compelling; I first read his bio on some course in the 70s and it 
totally took me 
in.  The director and cinematographer are fine; the actors are excellent 
(Milaprepa's 
mother is so intense); I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

Saw Twilight in SF with my daughter and her boyfriend the night before 
thanksgiving.  
You were right, it's a teen girl's movie, entirely; but it was excellent to see 
the 
Olympic Peninsula on the big screen.  And particularly so, La Push.  I'd heard 
that 
folks surfed there but my memories of it are as a purely beautiful but 
forbidding wild 
ocean beach.  If I ever make it up there again I'll bring my board.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I rented this on DVD and watched it last night.  I think many here would 
> enjoy it.  It is part one and part two according to the DVD will be out 
> next year:
> 
> http://milarepamovie.com/
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499238/
>

[FairfieldLife] Silence - Jan Garbarek, Egberto Gismonti, Charlie Haden

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-MxTq_h44&feature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blacks prefer being called 'coloured people'

[Peter]

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blacks prefer being called 'coloured people'
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:06 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Colored people agreeing with OffWorld.
> > You old folks need to catch up with the 21st century.
> > 
> > (Curtis, Shemp, Lurk, Pete, and others... totally
> OWNED by OffWorld
> > here.  OWNED ! ! ! )
> > 
> > Listen CAREFULLY to what this colored woman says. She
> says EXACTLY what
> > I was saying. (Yes Lurk, I was right, and y'all
> were wrong)
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmFbWs4Z2g
> > 
> > OffWorld
> 
> I'll spread the word among the African American
> community in my area
> that you and some chick from Youtube have settled this
> issue once and
> for all.  Meanwhile my offer still stands for you to come
> down to my
> neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "colored
> people" and we
> will split the tickets sale's profits BEFORE medical
> expenses.

"Owned"? WTF? Off, you need to get laid or to do a couple of extra sets of 
asanas. I've never seen such self-aggrandizing nonsense.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Top posting. No comments at bottom:
> > > > 
> > > > Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in
> > > > reincarnation at some point.
> > > > 
> > > > Some Jews still do.
> > > > 
> > > A very small percentage.
> > 
> > "The belief [in reincarnation] is common in Orthodox
> > Judaism. Indeed there is an entire volume of work
> > called Sha'ar Ha'Gilgulim (The Gate of Reincarnations),
> > based on the work of Rabbi Isaac Luria (and compiled
> > by his disciple, Rabbi Chaim Vital). It describes the
> > deep, complex laws of reincarnationMany Orthodox
> > siddurim (prayerbooks) have a nightly prayer asking for
> > forgiveness for sins that one may have committed in
> > this gilgul or a previous one, which accompanies the
> > nighttime recitation of the Shema before going to sleep."
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Judaism
> >
> a very very small percentage.

The Orthodox are a significant percentage of 
religious Jews, Stu, which is who we're talking
about here, obviously. And they're around 10 
percent of *all* Jews in the U.S. One estimate
for world Jewry is that the Orthodox constitute
from 50 to 70 percent of all religious Jews (and
from 32 to 45 percent of all Jews).

http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/demographics.htm

In any case, Jewish belief in reincarnation 
*today* is a non sequitur if you're attempting
to claim that because Jesus is not recorded (in
the canonical Gospels, at any rate) as having
espoused reincarnation, therefore it cannot
be true (which point is extremely weak anyway
because the canonical Gospels have been redacted,
as I pointed out earlier).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Top posting. No comments at bottom:
> > 
> > Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some
> point.
> > 
> > Some Jews still do.
> > 
> > L
> > 
> > 
> A very small percentage.  In Catholicism the belief in reincarnation
> is heretical.  As for the very small portion of Jewish mystics that
> have such beliefs it is not at all like the Eastern notion of a wheel
> of birth and death.  The common Jewish notion of the afterlife is
> "Ashes to ashes and dust to dust".
> 
> Only two characters in the Bible manage to have an afterlife.  Elijah
> and Jesus - who both rise up to heaven with their bodies.  For the
> rests of us we will rise from the graves on Judgment day like in a
> zombie movie.
> 
> The concept of a soul surviving the body came from the writings of
> Greek pagans like Aristotle. He was all the rage of early middle age
> theologians.
> 
> Body or no body, the predominant western afterlife myth is a one way
> street.
> 
> s.
>

In which case, the "hard-wired prediliction for believing in it" isn't too 
strong,
eh?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Jan Garbarek Group - Mission: To Be Where I am

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzSRemRHwZI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:52 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > [...]
> >> No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the traditional criteria for
> >> CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not stopped people from
> >> making such (often hilarious) claims.
> >>
> >
> > Of course, Fred Travis' research on subjects reporting at least one  
> > year of
> > continuous 24/7 PC don't count here because, well, he's not claiming  
> > they're
> > enlightened.
> 
> 
> And of course it's his and MMY's definition of "PC". How PC! So easy  
> when you define the terms and then claim the research "proves" it  
> isn't it? Pretty funny for me; pretty sad when others, not knowing  
> such, actually take it seriously and then spread their misinformation  
> via various media.
> 
> As we've already amply demonstrated here, these are very likely cherry- 
> picked individuals

Well, yes, Vaj, they were cherry-picked: people who were reporting 24/7
PC for a year at least, by definition, are "cherry picked."

Likewise with Buddhist monks with 10,000-50,000 hours experience
practicing meditation...

Sheesh. 


 which probably means they're other central or  
> obstructive sleep apnea patients rallied to foster the faux hypothesis  
> as before (when they were caught doing just that).

Citations? All the studies I have seen published on "pure consciousness"
during TM explicitly say they screened people for sleep apnea.


 In any such bizarre  
> claims you need to rule out the various medical and psychiatric  
> conditions which present with the same or similar symptoms...never  
> mind the common TMer vata derangement syndrome...otherwise your "null  
> hypothesis" is nothing more than a faux null hypothesis.
> 

Which known medical and psychiatric conditions present the same or similar
symptoms?

And which "null hypothesis" are we talking about? Have you even read the 
studies? 

> And of course since alpha coherence claims are ALL within normal human  
> limits, that just renders them especially unmeaningful. But you can  
> fool some of the people, some of the time--but with a bunch of zealots  
> promoting your cause you can fool MORE of the the people MOST of the  
> time.
> 

Chee... The point isn't that alpha coherence isn't unknown ((they've always 
explained its presence in terms of prevailing theories about relaxation) but
that it occurs in specific areas of the brain and use those mainsrteam theories 
to explain the meditators' reports of pure consciousness and "Self" awareness.

> That's all TM faux-research has proven to me.
>

Feeling defensive these days, are we?

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Top posting. No comments at bottom:
> > > 
> > > Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in
> > > reincarnation at some point.
> > > 
> > > Some Jews still do.
> > > 
> > A very small percentage.
> 
> "The belief [in reincarnation] is common in Orthodox
> Judaism. Indeed there is an entire volume of work
> called Sha'ar Ha'Gilgulim (The Gate of Reincarnations),
> based on the work of Rabbi Isaac Luria (and compiled
> by his disciple, Rabbi Chaim Vital). It describes the
> deep, complex laws of reincarnationMany Orthodox
> siddurim (prayerbooks) have a nightly prayer asking for
> forgiveness for sins that one may have committed in
> this gilgul or a previous one, which accompanies the
> nighttime recitation of the Shema before going to sleep."
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Judaism
>
a very very small percentage.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Sorry; Spiral Dance - Jan Garbarek/Keith Jarreth

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7fqYrQGps
>

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Dance - Jan Garbarek/Keith Jarreth

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7fqYrQGps

[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from Maitreya, 26. October 2008

[Tom]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Judging from how often this guy says "my friends," I'd say that Maitreya has
> already arrived: he's John McCain!
>

Nabby being a Republican *would* explain a lot. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand By Me - Playing for Change

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Luise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfcJmcWTG0


Oh, lovely Janet ! Thank You !


May I suggest :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7fqYrQGpshttp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ++ On being concerned with the past-it would probably be well to
> live> in the present as they say.
> > In school,we generally do one grade at a time and move on.
> > Too much concern for the past would be a distraction it seems.
> 
> You are mixing up fields of knowledge.  Living in the present is a
> physiological principle, testing people's claims for their accuracy
> concerning the validity of their past lives is an epistemological
> issue for people who want to separate fantasy from something with
> broad implications for humanity.
> 
> And the analogy of school is absurd.  In every field of knowledge I
> have ever studied I constantly go back to refresh basic principles.
> 
> I am not advocating being "too much concerned with the past" whatever
> that means.  It is a question of applying all our human cognitive
> tools to separate fact from fantasy.  Doesn't that concern you also?
> 
+ Yes-you are right- I wasn't very clear evidently.
   Living in the present would be not thinking about the past to the
point that one couldn't function well.
On learning things, I find they exist just below the surface and,
are there when needed without having to refresh only rarely.
I guess we aren't on the same wavelength-maybe a generation gap?
On another note, I recall Mabelle Carter doing "Wildwood Flower
live and, have been thru a lot of Utube Chet Atkins and his
contemporaries.  WF still leaves a bump in my throat.  Best,N.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Love At First Sight

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This one is for Stu, because I've really been enjoying
> your responses on the reincarnation thread.
>
> So. What about the phenomenon we know as "love at first
> sight?" It's a universal phenomenon, or a universal myth.
> Zut alors, the French are so taken with it that they've
> got two phrases for it -- coup de foudre (a stroke of
> lightning), which is more about the instantaneous nature
> of the moment of recognition itself, and coup de coeur,
> which connotes more of the inner intensity of the moment.
>
> There are many, many skeptical explanations for the
> phenomenon of love at first sight. It could be nothing
> more than simple nose chemistry, two sets of olfactory
> nerves finding their pheromonal soulmates. It could be
> a visual thing, finding a physical person who matches
> the neural template for a lover you've constructed in
> your brain. It could be the result of indoctrination
> from watching too many episodes of "Pushing Daisies."  :-)
>
> But really, dude. What IS it if it isn't a flash of
> recognition of someone you've done time with before in
> another life? I'd like to hear your take on it, espec-
> ially given your involvement in one of the most
> unabashedly hopelessly romantic TV series in ages.
>
The poetry of Pushing Daisies was the result of a team of experts who
knew how to manipulate images and sound in the most dynamic way to get a
visceral reaction from the audience.  Some of us on the crew are huge
romantics other of us are not.  But we are all good at creating the
illusion of connection and magic on a flickering 2 dimensional surface. 
There is no romance in the process - it is carefully controlled frame by
frame so the process is transparent and the eye is delighted.  Its a
mirage.

I am a romantic.  I enjoy the rush of emotions that comes from seeing my
true love.  I am happy that the death of BF Skinner's behaviorism was a
German scientist who proved Skinner could not explain the "aha" moments
of life.  Or in this case the importance of these moments in learning
went beyond operant conditioning.

This is the stuff that makes life worth living.  This is the
transcendent, the unexplained, the wordless - the basis for art.

And it could be explained by Pheromones, Oedipal complexes, childhood
fixations, genetic factors - but why spoil the fun?

Unless of course you are some sort of pervert who has a "coup de foudre"
for elementary school children.  Then you may benefit from understanding
the forces at issue.

On the other hand folktales about the afterlife, theism,
enlightenment/salvation and the like involve huge issues of social
morality and personal denial that involve dangerous life choices.  Look
at whats going on in Mumbai this week.  It boils down to people who
don't agree about these stories.  These dudes my also benefit from
understanding the forces at issue.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from Maitreya, 26. October 2008

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 26 October 2008, while being filmed for Slovenian television in 
Munich,
> Germany, Benjamin Creme received the following message, by mental 
telepathy,
> from Maitreya, the World Teacher.
> 
> ***
> 
> My friends, listen carefully for I bring hope to you all for an end 
to your
> troubles, for a new life for all those ready to accept the need for 
justice
> and peace. [The lack of] these two, justice and peace, is the major 
obstacle
> in your path today. The way to justice and peace is easily solved. 
It
> requires only the acceptance of sharing. Share and know the future. 
Refuse
> to share and there will be no future for man.
> 
> Simple is life when seen with the knowing eye.
> 
> Learn, My friends, to live simply and to love one another truly.
> 
> My friends, believe it to be true for so it is, that you shall see 
Me sooner
> than you can imagine.


> 
> I am even now at the door, ready to step forward and to begin My 
more open
> Mission.


> 
> Be hopeful and of good cheer, My friends, 
for all will be well. 


All manner
of things will be well.


> 
> Judging from how often this guy says "my friends," I'd say that 
Maitreya has
> already arrived: he's John McCain!

Rick, you project yourself as a nobody, a fool as by habit with this 
comment; please get a checking before it is too late.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Newell" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> 
> snip
> Where could the infant have 
> > had
> > > the time to learn such an advanced skill?
> > 
> > you assume that the link between the discrete nerve impulses and 
the 
> > bundling of such impulses into higher order abstraction is a 
skill, 
> > whereas i see it as an integrated function that occurs simply 
> > because of all of the additional complex machinery that our 
human 
> > brain has. 
> > 
> > in other words, the sophistication of our consciousness is 
nothing 
> > more than a correlate to the sophistication of the physical 
> > processes that the construction of our brain makes avaialble to 
us, 
> > vs. say a giraffe's.
> > 
> > so there really is no learning of a skill, per se. the skill 
comes 
> > later when we learn to associate language with objects, and 
> > categorize objects in order to share and learn.
> 
> Very well put.  It is in fact the case in Piaget's work on child
> development that there is a progress skills to interpreting the 
visual
> world that has been observed.  A baby learns to differentiate 
itself
> from the other, and people from objects.  Some of this is learned,
> most of it has to do with brain development. 
> 
> Consciousness evolves in direct correspondence to brain 
development. 
> 
> That is one of the claims of TM.
> 
> s.
>
glad to hear you validate this through your own investigation.

[FairfieldLife] Malaysia backs down from yoga ban

[Eustace]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081126/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_malaysia_islam_yoga

Malaysia backs down from yoga ban

Wed Nov 26, 5:28 am ET

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) â€" Malaysia's prime minister said on Wednesday
Muslims should still take up yoga, reversing an outright ban that has
drawn widespread protests amid concerns over growing Islamic
fundamentalism in the multiracial nation.

Malaysia's National Fatwa Council, comprising Islamic scholars, told
Muslims at the weekend to avoid yoga because it uses Hindu prayers
that could erode Muslims' faith.

But the decision drew a sharp rebuke from many Muslims and even
Malaysia's sultans, or hereditary rulers, who said that they should be
consulted on any matters involving Islam.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi moved to contain the damage,
telling the national news agency Bernama that Muslims could carry on
doing yoga but minus the chanting.

"I wish to state that a physical regime with no elements of worship
can continue, meaning, it is not banned. I believe that Muslims are
not easily swayed into polytheism," he said.

Just before Abdullah spoke, the eldest son of the ruler of the central
Negeri Sembilan state took the government to task over the yoga ruling.

"Islam is a progressive religion and the ulama (scholars) should be
confident of the followers' faith rather than micro-managing their way
of life," Tunku Naquiyuddin told a luncheon.

"If I go to a church or a Buddhist temple, is there any fear of me
converting? ... Where do we draw the line?" the online version of the
Star newspaper quoted him as saying.

The yoga fatwa ruling came hot on the heels of another edict against
young Muslim women wearing trousers.

Fatwas or religious edicts are not legally binding, but they are
highly influential in Malaysia, where Malay-Muslims form just over
half of the country's 27 million people.

The fatwa council has said that by wearing trousers, girls risked
becoming sexually active "tomboys." Gay sex is outlawed in Malaysia.

Malaysia's sizeable minorities include ethnic Chinese and Indians who
practice either Christianity, Buddhism or Hinduism.

(Reporting by Jalil Hamid)

[FairfieldLife] Stand By Me - Playing for Change

[Janet Luise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfcJmcWTG0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[nablusoss1008]

> whoever is posting this as representative of an enlightened person
> via TM is delusional. they should focus on their own practice,
> because just as this content mirrors a faux enlightenment, the
> person posting also has issues with their own practice.


Very well observed ! Thank you for bothering to post this comment on
FFL.

Problem is that "Vaj" and others do not have a practise that works. Thus
he and others spends much time denouncing TM, a practise which works for
all. For fundamentalists like he or "Christians"  this is frightening 
indeed.

He, and 97% of his Buddhist and Christian Fundamentalist  friends,  has
"no idea"  (as Benjamin Creme puts it)  as to the nature of Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi or  Buddha.



Q. According to Buddhist eschatology, the teachings of Buddha will be
forgotten by the time Maitreya comes to Earth. Also, there are certain
physical events which will take place prior to his arrival. If you
recognize Buddhism as a true teaching, how do you explain Maitreya's
arrival under current circumstances?

A. Among orthodox Buddhists the expectation of Maitreya Buddha varies
between thousands and, in Japan, many millions of years. They really
have no idea. Nor do they understand Who, in fact, Maitreya is. He does
not 'come' to Earth, He has never left it. He is a great teacher like
the Buddha before Him, and His manifestation is at a time of His
choosing, not our fantasy or speculation. Buddhist teaching is about
human psychology, spiritual awareness and how we should live together
for the greatest good of all. It is not about dates.



http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2008/2008-12.htm#qa

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[min.pige]

sublime.thanks for posting these...




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ
> >
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  If you dig African music you might
> enjoy this clip of Ali Farke Toure's son, Vieux, playing some cool
> Malian guitar.  I was hanging out with this today, what a groove.
> 
> Part one
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYi89cvr3w&NR=1
> 
> Part two
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2x4M-L4WzY&NR=1
> 
> I think Vaj will especially dig this.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saving Free Enterprise

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since I have heard a number of interviews with people advocating 
> stipends due to the decreasing jobs market I went on a search for some 
> of them.  Here's one proposal and the author has done his homework on 
> the subject:
> http://marshallbrain.com/25000.htm
> 
> More detailed information on the impact of technology on the workforce:
> http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm
> 
snip,
   Maybe, with the population reduction proponents working on it,
there wont be any problem after all.  N.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Newell" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11

snip
Where could the infant have 
> had
> > the time to learn such an advanced skill?
> 
> you assume that the link between the discrete nerve impulses and the 
> bundling of such impulses into higher order abstraction is a skill, 
> whereas i see it as an integrated function that occurs simply 
> because of all of the additional complex machinery that our human 
> brain has. 
> 
> in other words, the sophistication of our consciousness is nothing 
> more than a correlate to the sophistication of the physical 
> processes that the construction of our brain makes avaialble to us, 
> vs. say a giraffe's.
> 
> so there really is no learning of a skill, per se. the skill comes 
> later when we learn to associate language with objects, and 
> categorize objects in order to share and learn.

Very well put.  It is in fact the case in Piaget's work on child
development that there is a progress skills to interpreting the visual
world that has been observed.  A baby learns to differentiate itself
from the other, and people from objects.  Some of this is learned,
most of it has to do with brain development. 

Consciousness evolves in direct correspondence to brain development. 

That is one of the claims of TM.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be
> > enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left thumb
> > having turned blue, or something.
> >
> > same with reincarnation. no way to ever prove it.
> >
> > so those who insist they are a product of reincarnation are as
> > challenged as those who speak about enlightenment. can they ever
> > convince someone else of this so called reality? i doubt it.
>
> Nice one E D (hey wait a minute, Viagra has already claimed those
> initials!)  Anyway interesting points on a great thread.  I think that
> the claims of reincarnation are provable.  There are all sorts of
> details that someone could give concerning the technologies of the day
> that might be verified by going to a museum and having the person show
> us some stuff that we didn't know about some of the objects there. Or
> they could remember how to speak in another language or dialect.

Precisely.  All of there rantings can be chocked up to poor source
monitoring.


>
> What strikes me about people who put a lot of stock in reincarnation
> is that they seem pretty uninterested in finding out if their memory
> is real.  There seems to be a tendency to take it at face value that
> if you have a detailed memory of a past life that this is enough.
> People who write historical novels might be able to offer an
> alternative explanation.

I myself have fantasies of going back in time to other cultures or
times.  How about sharing a beer and some guitar playing with Big Bill
Broonzy in 1932?  How cool would that be?

I get a little worried when people start mistaking these fantasies for
reality.  These are source monitoring issues.  Even Barry has weighed in
as a believer, and I always took him as a first class skeptic.

I remember hearing Ken Wilber admit he is into reincarnation.  But he
could not rationalize it.  Just took it on faith.  Avoids the issue in
his books.
>
> As far as proving enlightenment: I still hold out the hope that it
> would give a person some special something something.  So far it seems
> that the abilities can be mimicked by anyone who can smile a lot and
> speak in "all this is that" hypnotic language patterns for an extended
> period.  That's why I am reserving enthusiasm for these states.  I
> mean, I already got the memo that all humanity is one family.  We all
> came from Africa. Until I see something unique (which was always a BIG
> part of Maharishi's promise package) I'll assume that the time spent
> in spiritual practices are just because they are fun in themselves...I
> mean for people who don't have a bunch of new songs to learn.
>
I hear you brother - I should be learning "Blues for Alice" which has a
way nice chord progression but the melody is mind numbingly complex.  I
can 't continue to fake it and let my guitar partner Eric carry the
tune.  But that's not to be.  Instead, better to be trying to get a
handle on why these people buy into this folklore without taking a
minute to question the deeper reasoning.  Its all about procrastination.

The spiritual practice stuff is primarily about Be Here Now.  Doesn't
even warrant comment.  Enlightenment is a PR term to get people
interested.  With practice the illusions of goals, gods, higher states,
ghosts, unicorns, enlightenment and the like will fall away.

Or so I'm told.

s.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saving Free Enterprise

[Bhairitu]

Since I have heard a number of interviews with people advocating 
stipends due to the decreasing jobs market I went on a search for some 
of them.  Here's one proposal and the author has done his homework on 
the subject:
http://marshallbrain.com/25000.htm

More detailed information on the impact of technology on the workforce:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm

James F. Newell wrote:
> That is quite a good value for economies of 100 years ago, and is not
> unreasonable, for many people, now. Even now, it is true though that
> some people do valuable things that the market will not pay for.
> Certainly, no corporation would have wanted Einstein as an employee,
> because his Theory of Relativity did not lead immediately to the
> design of a profitable product. Pure research is generally poorly
> supported by the private sector, even though without it, we would
> still be back at Roman level technology. Also, poets, composers, and
> others are often not supported by the free market, even though what
> they create will be of value for many hundreds of years. A number of
> painters,like van Gogh, were paid nothing or very little for their
> work, but in future decades, collectors have traded their paintings on
> the market for millions of dollars each. So just having people support
> themselves doesn't work for people doing certain kinds of valuable work.
>
> But I am talking about the effects of increasing automation into the
> future. When almost all the work producing goods and services is done
> by machines, there is nothing the 99% unemployed could possibly do
> that they could sell to support themselves. People simply cannot
> compete with robot-equivalents in routine kinds of work. And of
> course. if 99% of the population were unemployed, there would be
> almost nobody to buy what the automated businesses could produce.
>
> But of course, in reality, most people would starve to death before we
> reached that 99% level of unemployment. But the same problems, to a
> somewhat lesser extent, will be occurring on the way to that end
> point. When 50% of the working age population is unemployed, and can't
> compete with the robot-equivalents, the market for goods and services
> produced by the corporations will be only 50% of what it would be if
> everyone had an income. At 30% unemployed, the market for goods and
> services produced by corporations will be down 30%. 
>
> So whatever the ideals might be, people supporting themselves will
> rapidly become impossible in practice for more and more people, and
> trying to base the economy on that will simply lead to disaster.
>
> But that doesn't mean we want to get rid of the businesses. It is good
> for people to open and own businesses, though I don't think I will
> take up space discussing why that is good. So we need some way to
> organize the cash flows for the economy so that everything works the
> way we want it to.
>
> I won't repeat my original suggestion here. However, perhaps you might
> look for some alternative possibilities which would fit in better with
> your values. You might come up with something quite good.
>
> Jim
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:   I would venture that the people should be responsible to support
>   
>> themselves for the most part and the government should only be
>> supporting an environment to this end.  N.
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>
>   

RE: [FairfieldLife] Message from Maitreya, 26. October 2008

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:06 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Message from Maitreya, 26. October 2008

 

On 26 October 2008, while being filmed for Slovenian television in Munich,
Germany, Benjamin Creme received the following message, by mental telepathy,
from Maitreya, the World Teacher.

***

My friends, listen carefully for I bring hope to you all for an end to your
troubles, for a new life for all those ready to accept the need for justice
and peace. [The lack of] these two, justice and peace, is the major obstacle
in your path today. The way to justice and peace is easily solved. It
requires only the acceptance of sharing. Share and know the future. Refuse
to share and there will be no future for man.

Simple is life when seen with the knowing eye.

Learn, My friends, to live simply and to love one another truly.

My friends, believe it to be true for so it is, that you shall see Me sooner
than you can imagine.

I am even now at the door, ready to step forward and to begin My more open
Mission.

Be hopeful and of good cheer, My friends, for all will be well. All manner
of things will be well.

Judging from how often this guy says "my friends," I'd say that Maitreya has
already arrived: he's John McCain!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Top posting. No comments at bottom:
> > 
> > Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in
> > reincarnation at some point.
> > 
> > Some Jews still do.
> > 
> A very small percentage.

"The belief [in reincarnation] is common in Orthodox
Judaism. Indeed there is an entire volume of work
called Sha'ar Ha'Gilgulim (The Gate of Reincarnations),
based on the work of Rabbi Isaac Luria (and compiled
by his disciple, Rabbi Chaim Vital). It describes the
deep, complex laws of reincarnationMany Orthodox
siddurim (prayerbooks) have a nightly prayer asking for
forgiveness for sins that one may have committed in
this gilgul or a previous one, which accompanies the
nighttime recitation of the Shema before going to sleep."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Judaism

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable
> > > movement into the next life if the reincarnation
> > > story is so absolutely correct?
> >
> > Did I say anywhere that "the reincarnation story
> > is so absolutely correct," or did you hallucinate
> > it?
> >
> > Sheesh, talk about straw men!
> >
> The argument was not about your beliefs or disbeliefs.

You appeared to be attempting to rebut some
argument you thought I was making.


> My point was this is a cultural phenomenon. A person
> (or god in Jesus' case) would go to whatever mythology
> was available to help rationalize the insistence of
> person permanence (a developmental psych term).  Since
> Jesus did not have any other myths available than the
> common Jewish myths

(One of which happened to be reincarnation...)

> he went with those.  Later his PR person, Paul
> adapted some compelling Roman myths to further
> enhance the afterlife story.

However, that no explicit statements about
reincarnation from Jesus have come down to us in
the Christian Scriptures isn't evidence that he
never made any. As I'm sure you're aware, the
texts that ended up as the Gospels in particular
were redacted like crazy.

The Gnostic Gospels, on the other hand, are full
of references to reincarnation.

None of this proves anything, of course, but your
comment about Jesus doesn't begin to hold up as
any kind of *disproof* of reincarnation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Top posting. No comments at bottom:
> 
> Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some
point.
> 
> Some Jews still do.
> 
> L
> 
> 
A very small percentage.  In Catholicism the belief in reincarnation
is heretical.  As for the very small portion of Jewish mystics that
have such beliefs it is not at all like the Eastern notion of a wheel
of birth and death.  The common Jewish notion of the afterlife is
"Ashes to ashes and dust to dust".

Only two characters in the Bible manage to have an afterlife.  Elijah
and Jesus - who both rise up to heaven with their bodies.  For the
rests of us we will rise from the graves on Judgment day like in a
zombie movie.

The concept of a soul surviving the body came from the writings of
Greek pagans like Aristotle. He was all the rage of early middle age
theologians.

Body or no body, the predominant western afterlife myth is a one way
street.

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:52 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > [...]
> > >> No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the
> > >> traditional criteria for CC or MMY's for that
> > >> matter. However that has not stopped people from
> > >> making such (often hilarious) claims.
> > >
> > > Of course, Fred Travis' research on subjects
> > > reporting at least one year of continuous 24/7
> > > PC don't count here because, well, he's not
> > > claiming they're enlightened.
> > 
> > And of course it's his and MMY's definition of "PC".
> > How PC! So easy when you define the terms and then
> > claim the research "proves" it isn't it? Pretty funny
> > for me; pretty sad when others, not knowing such,
> > actually take it seriously and then spread their
> > misinformation via various media.
> 
> Too funny. Vaj claims no TMers have ever met MMY's
> criteria for CC, then when Lawson points out that
> some TMers have indeed done so, Vaj complains because
> they've used...wait for it...MMY's criteria for CC.
> 
> > As we've already amply demonstrated here, these are
> > very likely cherry-picked individuals which probably
> > means they're other central or obstructive sleep
> > apnea patients rallied to foster the faux hypothesis  
> > as before (when they were caught doing just that).
> 
> Boy, Lawson's comment really freaked Vaj out. Sleep
> apnea has nothing to do with what Lawson is talking
> about; it's a complete non sequitur. And nobody was
> "caught doing just that" in any case.
>
bigots, religious or otherwise, are always blown away when the 
religion they consider inferior (in this case TM for vaj...duh), 
made up of the impure non-believers, out does the bigot's cherished 
traditions (read "people who have done stuff the same way and 
thought about it the same way, for centuries"...as if this is a -
good- thing). 

vaj is not here to change anyone's mind-- he is just here defending 
his petrified dinosaur shit. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> 
> > Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable
> > movement into the next life if the reincarnation
> > story is so absolutely correct?
>
> Did I say anywhere that "the reincarnation story
> is so absolutely correct," or did you hallucinate
> it?
>
> Sheesh, talk about straw men!
>
The argument was not about your beliefs or disbeliefs.  The discussion
was about the motivations that would lead one to accept the doctrine of
reincarnation.

Your posts suggest a certain agnosticism on the subject.

I was pointing out there is very good evidence that the belief in an
afterlife is pre-wired.  This provides strong predilection to
rationalize an after death doctrine.

My point was this is a cultural phenomenon. A person (or god in Jesus'
case) would go to whatever mythology was available to help rationalize
the insistence of person permanence (a developmental psych term).  Since
Jesus did not have any other myths available than the common Jewish
myths he went with those.  Later his PR person, Paul adapted some
compelling Roman myths to further enhance the afterlife story.

On the other hand, people such as us have enjoyed the alternative myths
from the far East which posit the doctrine of karma.  Sounds good. 
Let's buy into it.  Don't question it.

The doctrine of Karma comes packaged with a bonus gift - a morality
tale.  Be careful about putting good or bad stuff out in the world, its
going to come back to bite you.  Strong stuff - could even supplant the
legal system with natural law.

s.

-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:52 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > [...]
> >> No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the
> >> traditional criteria for CC or MMY's for that
> >> matter. However that has not stopped people from
> >> making such (often hilarious) claims.
> >
> > Of course, Fred Travis' research on subjects
> > reporting at least one year of continuous 24/7
> > PC don't count here because, well, he's not
> > claiming they're enlightened.
> 
> And of course it's his and MMY's definition of "PC".
> How PC! So easy when you define the terms and then
> claim the research "proves" it isn't it? Pretty funny
> for me; pretty sad when others, not knowing such,
> actually take it seriously and then spread their
> misinformation via various media.

Too funny. Vaj claims no TMers have ever met MMY's
criteria for CC, then when Lawson points out that
some TMers have indeed done so, Vaj complains because
they've used...wait for it...MMY's criteria for CC.

> As we've already amply demonstrated here, these are
> very likely cherry-picked individuals which probably
> means they're other central or obstructive sleep
> apnea patients rallied to foster the faux hypothesis  
> as before (when they were caught doing just that).

Boy, Lawson's comment really freaked Vaj out. Sleep
apnea has nothing to do with what Lawson is talking
about; it's a complete non sequitur. And nobody was
"caught doing just that" in any case.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[lurkernomore20002000]

Lurk:
Sal, as far as I can see, there is little on which Off World is not an
expert-race relations, computers, mma, global history.  You name it.>
> 
Off World
No Lurk, I am not an expert on these. Its just that I am right and 
y'all are wrong. Its very simple.

I'm glad that works for you Off.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Vaj]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:52 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]

No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the traditional criteria for
CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not stopped people from
making such (often hilarious) claims.



Of course, Fred Travis' research on subjects reporting at least one  
year of
continuous 24/7 PC don't count here because, well, he's not claiming  
they're

enlightened.



And of course it's his and MMY's definition of "PC". How PC! So easy  
when you define the terms and then claim the research "proves" it  
isn't it? Pretty funny for me; pretty sad when others, not knowing  
such, actually take it seriously and then spread their misinformation  
via various media.


As we've already amply demonstrated here, these are very likely cherry- 
picked individuals which probably means they're other central or  
obstructive sleep apnea patients rallied to foster the faux hypothesis  
as before (when they were caught doing just that). In any such bizarre  
claims you need to rule out the various medical and psychiatric  
conditions which present with the same or similar symptoms...never  
mind the common TMer vata derangement syndrome...otherwise your "null  
hypothesis" is nothing more than a faux null hypothesis.


And of course since alpha coherence claims are ALL within normal human  
limits, that just renders them especially unmeaningful. But you can  
fool some of the people, some of the time--but with a bunch of zealots  
promoting your cause you can fool MORE of the the people MOST of the  
time.


That's all TM faux-research has proven to me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blacks prefer being called 'coloured people'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Colored people agreeing with OffWorld.
> You old folks need to catch up with the 21st century.
> 
> (Curtis, Shemp, Lurk, Pete, and others... totally OWNED by OffWorld
> here.  OWNED ! ! ! )
> 
> Listen CAREFULLY to what this colored woman says. She says EXACTLY what
> I was saying. (Yes Lurk, I was right, and y'all were wrong)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmFbWs4Z2g
> 
> OffWorld

I'll spread the word among the African American community in my area
that you and some chick from Youtube have settled this issue once and
for all.  Meanwhile my offer still stands for you to come down to my
neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "colored people" and we
will split the tickets sale's profits BEFORE medical expenses.




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ
> > >
> > 
> > Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  If you dig African
> > music you might enjoy this clip of Ali Farke Toure's
> > son, Vieux, playing some cool Malian guitar.  I was
> > hanging out with this today, what a groove.
> 
> What a *gorgeous* sound from that guitar! What
> makes it sound so incredibly rich and full?
> 

Electronics, Judy. That was going through a mixer, not just
an amp, as far as I can tell. You want "full sound" from a guitar?

I'll post a youtube recording of mine, which is 25 years old now and has
one or two problems but is still durned pretty-sounding.


Lawson.

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[curtisdeltablues]

Judy:
> What a *gorgeous* sound from that guitar! What
> makes it sound so incredibly rich and full?

He is being recorded through an amp and possibly a series of effects.
I can hear chorus and reverb but there must be other electronic monkey
business because he is capoed up which makes the guitar sound higher,
but his bass strings are deeper than any open stringed guitar.  Maybe
someone who is more into guitar effects can tell us, a pitch shifter
maybe?

Glad you dug it. Here is his dad playing with another of my favorite
Malian guitarists who plays the solo guitar stuff I like best.  It is
Boubacar singing.  You'll notice they have a less processed sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfYVwXGD9-I&feature=related

Boubacar "Kar Kar" Traoré & Ali Farka Touré

Here is Boubacar playing with a guy hitting a callabash gourd like a
drum kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwSZM1QT1yU&feature=related

I'm a Delta man first but right after that it is Malian music that
rocks my world!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ
> > >
> > 
> > Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  If you dig African
> > music you might enjoy this clip of Ali Farke Toure's
> > son, Vieux, playing some cool Malian guitar.  I was
> > hanging out with this today, what a groove.
> 
> What a *gorgeous* sound from that guitar! What
> makes it sound so incredibly rich and full?
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Part one
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYi89cvr3w&NR=1
> > 
> > Part two
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2x4M-L4WzY&NR=1
> > 
> > I think Vaj will especially dig this.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Sal Sunshine]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:21 PM, off_world_beings wrote:

Posting to forums on the internet, word processing, database.


Also art, music, photography, and home videos.


Unless you mean those porn videos you are making for your  
"PornoQueenSal.com" website?


Oh.  That.


Well, yes, you need better computer for the video production.

Otherwise, stick with a glorified calculator, that's all you'll need.


Lay off the acid, off.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the traditional criteria for  
> CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not stopped people from  
> making such (often hilarious) claims.
> 

Of course, Fred Travis' research on subjects reporting at least one year of 
continuous 24/7 PC don't count here because, well, he's not claiming they're
enlightened.



L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again)
> > from
> >>> various people
> >>> who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a
> > helicopter to
> >>> drop leaflets
> >>> on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing
> > things
> >>> out as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But, I wasn't there so...
> >>
> >>
> >> Enlightened action is unfathomable.
> >>
> > so you are saying that rc was enlightened? prove it please.
> 
> 
> NO, not at all. Just that he is typical--albeit sans some of the  
> craziness--of most (all?) TMer claimants of E.
> 
> > as is commonly known, the practice of TM brings about permanent 
and
> > complete enlightenment, reliably and mechanically. what this rc 
guy
> > is going through is a fantasy enlightenment, easily recognized by
> > his complete lack of integration with his environment; subjective
> > duality.
> 
> No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the traditional criteria 
for  
> CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not stopped people 
from  
> making such (often hilarious) claims.
> 
> Actually RWC claimed to be awake and perfectly integrated with 
all  
> states of consciousness, including waking (his "environment") and  
> sleeping (of course). And he gave the almost perfect verbal  
> descriptions thereof--as far as he was taught (and thus 
conditioned).  
> In other words his descriptions (and ALL of those making such 
claims)  
> have never, n'er once, strayed beyond what they were conditioned 
to  
> believe and into what the full criteria are! The enlightened 
emperor  
> has no clothes and is on tour! My what a beautiful outfit.
> 
> Go figure, huh? These are in no way dissimilar to other TM 
claimants,  
> albeit, once again, sans his zaniness.
> 
> As you can imagine: we've had a lot of entertainment here on this  
> list. You just happen to be the next, but a little more 
lackluster  
> than the previous ones. Don't you have anything groundbreaking to  
> share E-Dawn?
>
enlightenment is about two things, complete freedom, and complete 
integration. this state of awareness is achievable through the 
practice of TM. 

despite your assertion to the contrary, there is no definitive list 
on what CC is (or what i would call pre-enlightenment), and even if 
some traditions have wasted their time compiling such a list of what 
pre-enlightenment is, it is useless, and serves the religion much 
more than its adherents. you sound like one of the "lucky" ones who 
believe in such a list.

enlightenment is a life lived without boundaries, in the world, with 
a fully developed and functioning personality. nothing special, just 
perfectly normal.

pretty (yawn) groundbreaking, huh vaj? 

[FairfieldLife] Blacks prefer being called 'coloured people'

[off_world_beings]

Colored people agreeing with OffWorld.
You old folks need to catch up with the 21st century.

(Curtis, Shemp, Lurk, Pete, and others... totally OWNED by OffWorld
here.  OWNED ! ! ! )

Listen CAREFULLY to what this colored woman says. She says EXACTLY what
I was saying. (Yes Lurk, I was right, and y'all were wrong)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmFbWs4Z2g

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> >> I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course actually
> >> ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of the  
> >> TB
> >> mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
> >>
> >> It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read it (c.
> >> 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to Enlightenment",
> >> that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
> >>
> >> And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the resulting  
> >> witch-
> >> hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those court  
> >> cases
> >> have never come to light.
> >>
> >
> > OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again) from  
> > various people
> > who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a helicopter to  
> > drop leaflets
> > on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing things  
> > out as well.
> >
> >
> > But, I wasn't there so...
> 
> 
> Enlightened action is unfathomable.
>

AH, but neither you NOR Carlson [now} believes that he was enlightened, so
that's the ultimate strawman argument...

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saving Free Enterprise

[James F. Newell]

That is quite a good value for economies of 100 years ago, and is not
unreasonable, for many people, now. Even now, it is true though that
some people do valuable things that the market will not pay for.
Certainly, no corporation would have wanted Einstein as an employee,
because his Theory of Relativity did not lead immediately to the
design of a profitable product. Pure research is generally poorly
supported by the private sector, even though without it, we would
still be back at Roman level technology. Also, poets, composers, and
others are often not supported by the free market, even though what
they create will be of value for many hundreds of years. A number of
painters,like van Gogh, were paid nothing or very little for their
work, but in future decades, collectors have traded their paintings on
the market for millions of dollars each. So just having people support
themselves doesn't work for people doing certain kinds of valuable work.

But I am talking about the effects of increasing automation into the
future. When almost all the work producing goods and services is done
by machines, there is nothing the 99% unemployed could possibly do
that they could sell to support themselves. People simply cannot
compete with robot-equivalents in routine kinds of work. And of
course. if 99% of the population were unemployed, there would be
almost nobody to buy what the automated businesses could produce.

But of course, in reality, most people would starve to death before we
reached that 99% level of unemployment. But the same problems, to a
somewhat lesser extent, will be occurring on the way to that end
point. When 50% of the working age population is unemployed, and can't
compete with the robot-equivalents, the market for goods and services
produced by the corporations will be only 50% of what it would be if
everyone had an income. At 30% unemployed, the market for goods and
services produced by corporations will be down 30%. 

So whatever the ideals might be, people supporting themselves will
rapidly become impossible in practice for more and more people, and
trying to base the economy on that will simply lead to disaster.

But that doesn't mean we want to get rid of the businesses. It is good
for people to open and own businesses, though I don't think I will
take up space discussing why that is good. So we need some way to
organize the cash flows for the economy so that everything works the
way we want it to.

I won't repeat my original suggestion here. However, perhaps you might
look for some alternative possibilities which would fit in better with
your values. You might come up with something quite good.

Jim

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:   I would venture that the people should be responsible to support
> themselves for the most part and the government should only be
> supporting an environment to this end.  N.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ
> >
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  If you dig African
> music you might enjoy this clip of Ali Farke Toure's
> son, Vieux, playing some cool Malian guitar.  I was
> hanging out with this today, what a groove.

What a *gorgeous* sound from that guitar! What
makes it sound so incredibly rich and full?



> 
> Part one
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYi89cvr3w&NR=1
> 
> Part two
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2x4M-L4WzY&NR=1
> 
> I think Vaj will especially dig this.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Vaj]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:



OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again)

from

various people
who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a

helicopter to

drop leaflets
on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing

things

out as well.


But, I wasn't there so...



Enlightened action is unfathomable.


so you are saying that rc was enlightened? prove it please.



NO, not at all. Just that he is typical--albeit sans some of the  
craziness--of most (all?) TMer claimants of E.



as is commonly known, the practice of TM brings about permanent and
complete enlightenment, reliably and mechanically. what this rc guy
is going through is a fantasy enlightenment, easily recognized by
his complete lack of integration with his environment; subjective
duality.


No TMers that I am aware of meet any of the traditional criteria for  
CC or MMY's for that matter. However that has not stopped people from  
making such (often hilarious) claims.


Actually RWC claimed to be awake and perfectly integrated with all  
states of consciousness, including waking (his "environment") and  
sleeping (of course). And he gave the almost perfect verbal  
descriptions thereof--as far as he was taught (and thus conditioned).  
In other words his descriptions (and ALL of those making such claims)  
have never, n'er once, strayed beyond what they were conditioned to  
believe and into what the full criteria are! The enlightened emperor  
has no clothes and is on tour! My what a beautiful outfit.


Go figure, huh? These are in no way dissimilar to other TM claimants,  
albeit, once again, sans his zaniness.


As you can imagine: we've had a lot of entertainment here on this  
list. You just happen to be the next, but a little more lackluster  
than the previous ones. Don't you have anything groundbreaking to  
share E-Dawn?

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ

Nice, thanks!

Try this next:

Memphis Shakedown: Carolina Chocolate Drops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-eM7yFrTng

(If this doesn't want to load, try clicking on
"Watch in High Quality.")

The kazoo player, Rhiannon Giddens, usually plays
the banjo or fiddle with the group. Here's another
toe-tapper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLRCSOZ7wo

Giddens is also an *opera singer*, for heaven's
sake. I hope she isn't damaging her voice on that
kazoo.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Off:
> Until then, a glorified calculator can do what you need.
>
> Sal:
> You don't know what I need, or what I use my computer for. And no, a
> glorified calculator would not  do the job.
>
> Sal, as far as I can see, there is little on which Off World is not an
> expert-race relations, computers, mma, global history.  You name it.>

No Lurk, I am not an expert on these. Its just that I am right and y'all
are wrong. Its very simple.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: pure joy...dance!

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "min.pige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ
>

Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  If you dig African music you might
enjoy this clip of Ali Farke Toure's son, Vieux, playing some cool
Malian guitar.  I was hanging out with this today, what a groove.

Part one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYi89cvr3w&NR=1

Part two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2x4M-L4WzY&NR=1

I think Vaj will especially dig this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:58 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Look up "macbook pro electric shock" see how many stories like this
> > you come up with, and get back to me. It is a documented probelm
> > that even Apple is now admitting to.
>
> I did, and there were exactly 101 hits--several looking very
> similar-- out of tens of thousands of computers sold, if not more.
> And there was nothing about any Apple admissions.
> More hallucinations, I guess.
>
> >  I don't know how you treat your computers, but I've never heard
> > > of anything like what you describe, and we've owned many Macs,
> > > we are using 5 if them now, and the only reason we stopped using
> > > the older ones is because of more innovation on the part of Apple
> > > which rendered the older ones obsolete.>>
> >
> > Get real Sal, what you use computers for, and what I use computers
> > for are entirely different universes. Any old shit will do what you
> > need Sal. You don't need a Mac to do that shit. If you are buying
> > Macs to do the stuff you are stolen from. Lol...silly billy.
> >
> > When you start working with Maya software in your job, get back to
> > me on what computer you will need. Until then, a glorified
> > calculator can do what you need.
>
> You don't know what I need, or what I use my computer for.>>

Posting to forums on the internet, word processing, database.

Unless you mean those porn videos you are making for your
"PornoQueenSal.com" website? Well, yes, you need better computer for the
video production.

Otherwise, stick with a glorified calculator, that's all you'll need.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Vaj]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:55 PM, min.pige wrote:

> what was the court case?


One was RWC vs. either MIU and/or MMY and another vs. some MIU students.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's a question for you; what reincarnates?>>


The Reincarnator reincarnates.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> >> I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course 
actually
> >> ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of 
the  
> >> TB
> >> mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
> >>
> >> It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read 
it (c.
> >> 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to 
Enlightenment",
> >> that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
> >>
> >> And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the 
resulting  
> >> witch-
> >> hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those 
court  
> >> cases
> >> have never come to light.
> >>
> >
> > OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again) 
from  
> > various people
> > who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a 
helicopter to  
> > drop leaflets
> > on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing 
things  
> > out as well.
> >
> >
> > But, I wasn't there so...
> 
> 
> Enlightened action is unfathomable.
>
so you are saying that rc was enlightened? prove it please.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be 
> > enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left 
thumb 
> > having turned blue, or something.
> > 
> > same with reincarnation. no way to ever prove it. 
> > 
> > so those who insist they are a product of reincarnation are as 
> > challenged as those who speak about enlightenment. can they ever 
> > convince someone else of this so called reality? i doubt it.
> 
> Nice one E D (hey wait a minute, Viagra has already claimed those
> initials!)  Anyway interesting points on a great thread.  I think 
that
> the claims of reincarnation are provable.  There are all sorts of
> details that someone could give concerning the technologies of the 
day
> that might be verified by going to a museum and having the person 
show
> us some stuff that we didn't know about some of the objects there. 
Or
> they could remember how to speak in another language or dialect.

that stuff can be faked.
 
> What strikes me about people who put a lot of stock in 
reincarnation
> is that they seem pretty uninterested in finding out if their 
memory
> is real.

yep. agreed. i've had a few experiences that i could have attributed 
to past lives, but there are other explanations too. what about this 
akashic records business? or the collapse of spacetime? 
  
the reason i don't buy the whole reincarnation bit is that it is too 
self-serving: i think this and have that experience and therefore my 
ego concludes i won't die- i will live forever! too damned 
convenient for my taste.

for example, B. says he knows what is in a room before he sees it 
and therefore this is proof he has lived around there before. or 
that he has pretty well developed psychic abilities, or that someone 
told him about the same place a long time ago and he has forgotten 
it, or he has good intution and makes a good guess...

to proclaim any proof of reincarnation is suspect at best.

  
-snip-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:35 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > 
> > > That was an excellent description of how those courses felt.  
I really
> > > enjoyed reading it till he reminded me of how dickish 
the "prison of
> > > specialness" perspective can be at the end:
> > >
> > >> On the ferry to Staten Island I saw the Statue of Liberty and
> > > wondered > how so many millions of people could live with an 
idea of
> > > freedom  > without yearning to touch the purest freedom of 
all: the
> > > pure  > consciousness within them. In the subway I felt 
protected by a
> > > shield > of grace; here I was in the tense pulsations of a 
metropolis,
> > >> possessed of the knowledge that would bring about the 
serenity that
> > >> was Godhead. No one knew who I was, yet my soul moved 
invisibly over
> > >> all of them, confident that in time they too would awaken 
from the
> > >> nightmare of their ignorance.
> > >
> > > Well La di F'n Da, Mr. About-to-Have-a-Psychotic-Breakdown.
> > 
> > 
> > I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course 
actually  
> > ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of 
the TB  
> > mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
> > 
> > It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read it 
(c.  
> > 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to 
Enlightenment",  
> > that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
> > 
> > And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the resulting 
witch- 
> > hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those court 
cases  
> > have never come to light.
> >
> 
> OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again) from 
various people
> who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a helicopter 
to drop leaflets
> on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing 
things out as well.
> 
> 
> But, I wasn't there so...
> 
> L
>
as is commonly known, the practice of TM brings about permanent and 
complete enlightenment, reliably and mechanically. what this rc guy 
is going through is a fantasy enlightenment, easily recognized by 
his complete lack of integration with his environment; subjective 
duality. 

whoever is posting this as representative of an enlightened person 
via TM is delusional. they should focus on their own practice, 
because just as this content mirrors a faux enlightenment, the 
person posting also has issues with their own practice.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[min.pige]

what was the court case?




In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:35 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > That was an excellent description of how those courses felt.  I really
> > enjoyed reading it till he reminded me of how dickish the "prison of
> > specialness" perspective can be at the end:
> >
> >> On the ferry to Staten Island I saw the Statue of Liberty and
> > wondered > how so many millions of people could live with an idea of
> > freedom  > without yearning to touch the purest freedom of all: the
> > pure  > consciousness within them. In the subway I felt protected by a
> > shield > of grace; here I was in the tense pulsations of a metropolis,
> >> possessed of the knowledge that would bring about the serenity that
> >> was Godhead. No one knew who I was, yet my soul moved invisibly over
> >> all of them, confident that in time they too would awaken from the
> >> nightmare of their ignorance.
> >
> > Well La di F'n Da, Mr. About-to-Have-a-Psychotic-Breakdown.
> 
> 
> I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course actually  
> ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of the TB  
> mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
> 
> It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read it (c.  
> 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to Enlightenment",  
> that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
> 
> And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the resulting witch- 
> hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those court cases  
> have never come to light.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[Vaj]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:22 PM, sparaig wrote:

>> I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course actually
>> ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of the  
>> TB
>> mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
>>
>> It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read it (c.
>> 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to Enlightenment",
>> that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
>>
>> And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the resulting  
>> witch-
>> hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those court  
>> cases
>> have never come to light.
>>
>
> OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again) from  
> various people
> who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a helicopter to  
> drop leaflets
> on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing things  
> out as well.
>
>
> But, I wasn't there so...


Enlightened action is unfathomable. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable
> movement into the next life if the reincarnation
> story is so absolutely correct?

Did I say anywhere that "the reincarnation story
is so absolutely correct," or did you hallucinate
it?

Sheesh, talk about straw men!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a question for you; what reincarnates?
> >
> >
> > The jiva is what reincarnates.
> >
> >
> Precisely.  What is tantamount to saying nothing reincarnates.
> 
> Do this simple home test:
> Have Jiva to do your laundry.
> 
> Could s/he separate the whites from the colors?


What a stupid argument. According to the definitions provided, the
jiva with a body could indeed 'do the laundry'.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[sparaig]

Top posting. No comments at bottom:

Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some point.

Some Jews still do.

L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> 
> >
> > In fact, other than Nelson's brief comment, it would
> > appear that the only person treating others with a
> > lack of respect has been Stu, e.g.:
> >
> > "...you have a purely irrational belief on past lives,
> > probably due to indoctrination of this concept by new
> > age literature."
> >
> > Nelson's comment was in response to the above.
> 
> Judy, I provided articles that described numerous experiments that
> suggest strongly that the concept of reincarnation is cultural with
> strong proclivities to believe in Life after Death based on brain
> structure.
> 
> Here is another one:  "The Natural Emergence of Reasoning about the
> Afterlife as a Developmental Regularity. Bering, Developmental
> Psychology, Vol 40, page 217-233, 2004.
> 
> If Nelson did not learn about the concept of reincarnation from New Age
> philosophy (I include TMO in this), where did he learn it?
> 
> Do you think that if he was not exposed to this mythology he would still
> have adopted it?
> 
> Have you ever heard of say, a 12th century monk, who after years of
> prayer and internal investigation came to the conclusion that the Church
> was dead wrong about Heaven and Hell and adopted the trappings of the
> perennial religion?  If the reincarnation myth were true wouldn't all
> xtian monks at sometime experience a sever crisis of faith?
> 
> Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable movement into the next
> life if the reincarnation story is so absolutely correct?
> 
> Or was he misguided about all that Day of Judgment stuff?
> 
> Or was he acting on his strong predilection for the mind to believe in
> what psychologists call "Person Permanence".
> 
> s.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Newell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is exactly what is needed for both perceiving an image and for
> Quantum Entanglement.
> 
> If each point in the image, or each nerve impulse, is encoded into a
> point in a point cluster, then the information of each will directly
> touch the information of all the others at the same time. So that
> would make perception of an image possible.
> 
> For Quantum Entanglement, of points separated in three dimensional
> space touch each other directly in a point cluster in a space of more
> dimensions, then they can interact instantaneously, even if they are
> separated in three dimensional space.

This thread is way over my head but I'm glad someone thinks about
these things. Point Cluster Theory...umm O.K. by me. I'd like to join
in the left brained conversation here but I'm more of a right brained
person doing my best to avoid entanglements and committed to making
only one dimensional point at a time. So in the spirit of the topic I
offer a corny raunchydog poem which is off topic scientifically but on
topic metaphysically:

RETURNING

Vishnu was sleeping
And when he awoke
He created life's drama
And played a big joke

>From one cosmic egg
Hatched on the earth
Wheel of karma
Returning for birth

Falling as stardust 
Scattered as seeds
Sown in the garden
Known by our deeds

Baggage claim pick up
Your name on the tag
There are no mistakes
Whether rogue or a wag

The letter delivered
The package untied
Just desserts eating
The apple of pride

Pay tribute to Silence
Uniting as one
Joyful together
Our journey is done

raunchydog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:35 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > That was an excellent description of how those courses felt.  I really
> > enjoyed reading it till he reminded me of how dickish the "prison of
> > specialness" perspective can be at the end:
> >
> >> On the ferry to Staten Island I saw the Statue of Liberty and
> > wondered > how so many millions of people could live with an idea of
> > freedom  > without yearning to touch the purest freedom of all: the
> > pure  > consciousness within them. In the subway I felt protected by a
> > shield > of grace; here I was in the tense pulsations of a metropolis,
> >> possessed of the knowledge that would bring about the serenity that
> >> was Godhead. No one knew who I was, yet my soul moved invisibly over
> >> all of them, confident that in time they too would awaken from the
> >> nightmare of their ignorance.
> >
> > Well La di F'n Da, Mr. About-to-Have-a-Psychotic-Breakdown.
> 
> 
> I was originally going to cut off the quote where the course actually  
> ended, but the above quote so perfectly captured the essence of the TB  
> mindset, I couldn't help but keep it in.
> 
> It will probably also come as no surprise that TMers who read it (c.  
> 1980) were so wildly inspired by "From Ignorance to Enlightenment",  
> that they risked getting kicked out of the TM mecca of MIU.
> 
> And kicked out they were, those who were caught in the resulting witch- 
> hunt and court case. It's a shame the transcripts of those court cases  
> have never come to light.
>

OF course, I heard different perspectives (that word again) from various people
who were there at the time. INcluding Carlson hiring a helicopter to drop 
leaflets
on the campus and driving around the grass in a jeep handing things out as well.


But, I wasn't there so...

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> >
> > Here's a question for you; what reincarnates?
>
>
> The jiva is what reincarnates.
>
>
Precisely.  What is tantamount to saying nothing reincarnates.

Do this simple home test:
Have Jiva to do your laundry.

Could s/he separate the whites from the colors?

s.




s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened Robin: From Ignorance to Enlightenment 1

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Wow! Does he need an editor! Interesting stuff, but so  
> > intellectually rococo! He writes like an obsessive-compulsive.
> 
> 
> He's an enlightened TMer. He can make no mistakes. No editor necessary  
> since he's expressing, through his own pure conscious integrated with  
> activity, the Will of the Creator.
> 
[...]
> :-)
>

But that last bit is true, from certain perspectives, whether one is enlightened
or not.

The best that an enlightened person could be ["hope" for] is:  their *intent* 
reflects
the Will of the Creator and that the eventual outcome of that intent does also.

Which it always does, of course, from certain perspectives.


L.

[FairfieldLife] pure joy...dance!

[min.pige]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxnpy8pGfQ