[FairfieldLife] Re: A Spiritual Approach - Raj Patel

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
> >
> 
> 
> I lasted about 6 minutes.
> 
> The guy's a kook.
>
Thank God we have our rajas and King to protect us from "kooks" like this!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Spiritual Approach - Raj Patel

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
>


I lasted about 6 minutes.

The guy's a kook.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> "the problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other 
> people's money."   M. Thatcher
> 
> 


...which is happening to us now!

There's a reason our relatively young president has gained so much gray hair in 
only a year!  He realizes that we are spending way, way more than we are taking 
in...and he knows the gravy train can't last forever...



> 
> 
> 
> From: BillyG 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:09:02 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very 
> afraid.
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > > 
> > > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the 
> > > very bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off 
> > > than the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > 
> > Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)
> 
> Socialism is great...when you're on the receiving end. It's nothing but 
> pubescent idealism from those who think feeling is superior to thinking and 
> have largely, their heads in the clouds. It's been tried and has failed over 
> and over again!! Merit is the best motivator.
> 
> I can understand my nephew being for socialism, he has nothing. but 
> student loans! People over 30 ought to know better by now, from the lessons 
> of History.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Citation please? 
> 


Yup.  I posted an article with that statistic a few minutes ago.


> Or are you just whistling in the wind again?
> 


The wind is called Mariah and the whistler is Shemp.



> BTW, you didn't answer this question the other day: would you let your 
> house burn than have the local fire department put out the fire?
> 


???Why would I do that?  I pay my taxes and expect the services.  But even if I 
didn't pay taxes I would still expect the fire company to come and put out the 
fire.



> 
> ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> >
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> > bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than 
> > the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >   
> >> http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" shempmcgurk@
wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian
countries.
> >
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at
the very bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better
off than the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
>
>
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ?
;-)
>


Yes.

I'd be happy to oblige.

The following is from http://mises.org/daily/955

Sweden: Poorer Than You Think
Mises Daily: Thursday, May 09, 2002 by William L. Anderson


One of the enduring myths of the "Third Way" welfare state is that a
nation as a whole can have a high standard of living--even if no one
really has to work--as long as government transfers massive amounts of
wealth from those who are well off to those who are less well off.  For
the past four decades, we have been inundated with news stories, books,
and public commentary, all of which have exhorted us to be like Sweden.

The Swedes, we have been told, enjoy free medical care, generous welfare
benefits, time off from work, and subsidies for just about everything.
When one counters that Swedes pay enormously high taxes, the standard
reply is, "That is true, but look at what they receive for their
payments."

According to a recent study, however, the cat is out of the bag. 
Relative to household in the United States, Swedish family income is
considerably less. In fact, the study concludes, average income in
Sweden is less than average income for black Americans, which comprise
the lowest-income socioeconomic group in this country.

The research came from the Swedish Institute of Trade, which, according
to Reuters, "compared official U.S. and Swedish statistics on household
income as well as gross domestic product, private consumption and retail
spending per capita between 1980 and 1999."

The study used "fixed prices and purchasing power parity adjusted data,"
and found that "the median household income in Sweden at the end of the
1990s was the equivalent of $26,800, compared with a median of $39,400
for U.S. households." Furthermore, the study points out that Swedish
productivity has fallen rapidly relative to per capital productivity in
the USA.

In defense of the Swedes, let me first say that simple comparisons of
income can be deceiving. While I have never been to Sweden (even though
I have relatives there), I would think that even the poorest sections of
Stockholm and other Swedish cities are more livable and attractive than
what one finds in many U.S. cities. Even with the high taxes, I think I
would rather live in downtown Stockholm than in downtown Detroit or
Newark.

However, the study alerts us to something that is much more important,
and that is that the European welfare states are not making their
citizens wealthier. Over time, the cracks in these relatively wealthy
nations are growing larger, and if the disease is not arrested, much of
Europe will tumble off into real poverty in the not-so-distant future.
Europeans--and, most likely, Americans--seem destined to learn the hard
way that large, seemingly intractable welfare systems have their way of
destroying the Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs.

While people can debate the present condition of Swedes in Stockholm
versus blacks in Harlem, there is a deep issue here that people seem to
forget when it comes to welfare states: they are destructive at their
roots. Advocates of welfarism concentrate only upon distribution while
vilifying production. Such a state of affairs cannot go on forever as
governments are forced to cannibalize their own capital structure over
time in order to make the system to continue to work.

The premises of the welfare state are as follows: (1) free markets, if
not regulated by the state, lead to continuing inequality, as wealth
becomes increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few people, while
more and more people become poorer; (2) the only way to combat this
problem is for the state to take a large portion of earnings from the
wealthy and distribute it among others; and (3) such distribution
actually enables the economy to grow, since growing concentration means
that fewer people will have the ability to consume the products that are
created within a private-market system.

Karl Marx developed the first premise into his theories, calling this
the "internal contradiction" of capitalism. However, the statement
contains its own internal contradictions, as it creates an impossible
scenario.

As Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard have pointed out, in a
private-market society, individuals cannot gain wealth unless they
produce goods that are demanded by large numbers of people. For example,
it was Henry Ford who became rich producing cars, not the producers of
early luxury automobiles that were accessible only to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very
> afraid.
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very
> bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the
> middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> 
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)
> I saw a show on TV that discussed some study concluding that Norwegians were
> the happiest people in the world.
>


Let me guess: PBS?

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reminder: "Spiritual Adventures in India": Fairfield Quiet Zone Fundraiser [1 Attachment]

[Dick Mays]

Fwd from: Brian Horsfield 

Just a reminder...

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"Spiritual Adventures in India"

by author Steve Briggs

Fairfield Public Library
Thursday 4th March, 7.30 pm

Suggested $5 donation at the door to support the Fairfield Quiet Zone
?

Just a reminder...

The Fairfield Quiet Zone invites you to an inspiring talk:

"Spiritual Adventures in India"

by author Steve Briggs

Fairfield Public Library
Thursday 4th March, 7.30 pm

Suggested $5 donation at the door to support the Fairfield Quiet Zone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[Bhairitu]

You guys shouldn't have to worry about socialism.  You won't have any 
money for them to run out of and will most likely be on the receiving 
end as the shit of the US economic collapse hits the fan.  Got your 
check ready to pay off your share of the national debt?  I didn't think so.

Mike Dixon wrote:
> "the problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other 
> people's money."   M. Thatcher
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: BillyG 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:09:02 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very 
> afraid.
>
>   
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>   
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
>>>
>>> Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
>>> bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than 
>>> the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
>>>   
>> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)
>> 
>
> Socialism is great...when you're on the receiving end. It's nothing but 
> pubescent idealism from those who think feeling is superior to thinking and 
> have largely, their heads in the clouds. It's been tried and has failed over 
> and over again!! Merit is the best motivator.
>
> I can understand my nephew being for socialism, he has nothing. but 
> student loans! People over 30 ought to know better by now, from the lessons 
> of History.
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[Mike Dixon]

"the problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other people's 
money."   M. Thatcher





From: BillyG 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:09:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very 
afraid.

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> > bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than 
> > the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> 
> 
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)

Socialism is great...when you're on the receiving end. It's nothing but 
pubescent idealism from those who think feeling is superior to thinking and 
have largely, their heads in the clouds. It's been tried and has failed over 
and over again!! Merit is the best motivator.

I can understand my nephew being for socialism, he has nothing. but student 
loans! People over 30 ought to know better by now, from the lessons of History.





  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> > bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than 
> > the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> 
> 
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)

Socialism is great...when you're on the receiving end. It's nothing but 
pubescent idealism from those who think feeling is superior to thinking and 
have largely, their heads in the clouds. It's been tried and has failed over 
and over again!!  Merit is the best motivator.

I can understand my nephew being for socialism, he has nothing.but student 
loans!  People over 30 ought to know better by now, from the lessons of History.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very
> afraid.
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very
> bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the
> middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> 
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)
> I saw a show on TV that discussed some study concluding that Norwegians were
> the happiest people in the world.
>
Depends on how you (they) define happiness. Drunks are happy too!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[Joe]

I didn't ask if you were gay Tex. But since you brought it up, do you have 
something against gay people?

What's up with that?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Joe:
> > It's back to pie holes today, eh Tex? 
> > What is this fascination you have with 
> > pie holes? 
> >
> You seem to be very interested, Joe.
> 
> > Have you been doing naughty things with 
> > pies Tex?
> > 
> Why do you want to know?
> 
> > What's up with that?
> >
> I already told you I'm not gay, Joe.
>

[FairfieldLife] Movie Review: "The Man From Earth"

[TurquoiseB]

Another winner. [An earlier review I posted has
not appeared yet on FFL, hours after posting it, 
so this may appear first.] In fact, this is one 
of the most intelligent SciFi films I have ever 
seen. 

It is also, up there with "John From Cincinnati,"
one of the most profound statements about the real
nature of spirituality I have ever encountered in
film or television. 

Like "The Box," this film is based on a story 
written by a veteran of the Golden Age Of SciFi.
As such, it places more demands on the viewer than
most newer movies or TV. By that I mean that you 
actually have to listen, and to *think*. 

Here's the short, no real spoilers because it'll
be on the DVD box when you rent it plot synopsis.
A college professor suddenly announces to friends
who have known him for ten years that he is moving.
They descend on his place, help him move some boxes,
share some Johnny Walker scotch with him, and talk.
They want to know why he's moving on, and at first
he just tells them that he's done it before.

Pressed further, he decides on a whim to tell them
the truth. He's done this -- moving on -- every ten
years or so for the last 14,000 years. 

So here's the dilemma. A bunch of close friends, 
sitting in a room with someone they have known and
loved for ten years and consider just as sane as 
they are, and he lays something like this on them.

So how do they react? How would you?

Brilliantly intelligent film. Well worth a rental.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[Bhairitu]

Citation please? 

Or are you just whistling in the wind again?

BTW, you didn't answer this question the other day: would you let your 
house burn than have the local fire department put out the fire?


ShempMcGurk wrote:
> Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
>
> Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the 
> middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>   
>> http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] A Spiritual Approach - Raj Patel

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:06 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very
afraid.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
> Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> 
> Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very
bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the
middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.

Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)
I saw a show on TV that discussed some study concluding that Norwegians were
the happiest people in the world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> > 
> > Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> > bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than 
> > the middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.
> 
> 
> Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)


Then again statistics is so aboundantly boring. 

Let's see shemp; for example; did you know that if you fathered a child in 
Scandinavia you as the father will have 6 months off from work to spend with 
your baby with 100% salary, paid for by the state ? Not to mention that your 
dear wife will have 9 months, or more, free from work with full salary and 
benefits ? Which ofcourse includes 100% free medical care, whether you are 
employed or not.

Soscialism is an interesting conscept whether you like it or not. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[WillyTex]

Joe:
> It's back to pie holes today, eh Tex? 
> What is this fascination you have with 
> pie holes? 
>
You seem to be very interested, Joe.

> Have you been doing naughty things with 
> pies Tex?
> 
Why do you want to know?

> What's up with that?
>
I already told you I'm not gay, Joe.

[FairfieldLife] One change for American Consumers

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#chapter_15

[FairfieldLife] The real price of a 4 dollar hamburger

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#chapter_03

[FairfieldLife] Re: The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.
> 
> Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
> bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the 
> middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.


Is that so, would you like to elaborate ? By some statistics perhaps ? ;-)




> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] What can we learn from from the Shack Dwellers of South-Africa ?

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#chapter_16

[FairfieldLife] The word "socialist": be afraid, be very, very afraid.

[ShempMcGurk]

Nablus must be from one of those silly socialistic Scandinavian countries.

Well, if so, Nabby, it would be good for you to know that even at the very 
bottom of our recession, our lowest quintile is far, far better off than the 
middle class of any of your Scandinavian countries.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram
>

[FairfieldLife] Anton's blindness

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[Joe]

It's back to pie holes today, eh Tex? What is this fascination you have with 
pie holes?
Have you been doing naughty things with pies Tex?

What's up with that?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> do.rks:
> > I used to really think she was a genuine crusader 
> > for the truth and mistakenly backed her self-superior 
> > game - as others have done who've since seen that 
> > folly...
> >
> You're just holding a grudge because Judy wouldn't
> drink the Obama kool-aid. You're like that. To you,
> politics is more important than TM and the mechanics
> of consciousness. 
> 
> Face it, John, Judy beat you fair and square in a 
> honest debate. That's why you've kept your pie hole 
> shut, until today, when you managed to key in a whole 
> paragraph, trying to defend yourself. 
> 
> Judy is way out of your league - better for your to 
> stick to posting diatribes on the Mormon Religion 
> discussion group.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> Joe:
> > Judy has achieved what I had thought was 
> > unachievableshe actually IS crazier 
> > than Tex! Wowwho-da-thunk it!
> > 
> Having a little trouble focusing, Joe?
> 
> > Question: ever been married Judy?
> > 
> So, you don't have all the answers.
>
No Tex, I don't have all the answers. Do you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The W T F Factor

[Joe]

 Now I'm back to thinking that Tex might have a "slight" edge in the race of 
the mentally unhinged. This is a tough one...some days it's neck and neck.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Joe:
> > > > I used to think Tex was the really crazy one. 
> > > > Now I'm not so sure. She might be the champ in 
> > > > the borderline personality disorder sweepstakes.
> > > >
> do.rk:
> > > I've never seen anything like it.
> > >
> Judy:
> > I am *so* tempted to quote from some of the do.rk's
> > ickily worshipful emails to me, if we want to talk
> > about personality disorders. I'll refrain, but it's
> > a major effort.
> >
> Maybe Joe would be interested in reading some of the
> icky email the do.rk sends to the Mormon Religion 
> Group! John used to really like Judy, that is, until
> the last U.S. election. Judy refused to drink the 
> Obama kool-aid. That's when I noticed do.rk's strange
> personality disorder. It's like he is almost two
> personalities.
> 
> I had first noticed something was strange about the
> do.rk before, back when he tried to pick a fight with 
> Judy on Usenet. She whipped him real good in numerous
> debates, then he decided that he really liked her a
> lot. They were really good pals when they both were
> trying to bash me for taking up for President Bush.
> 
> Judy had never responded to any of my 5,000 on-topic
> messages about TM and the Maharishi, posted over a 
> period of five years, until I started posting about
> John Kerry and the Swifboaters. That's when they both 
> got together and tried to smear me. So, I think it's
> hilarious to read all their squables now. It may be
> that they are both bi-polar, or at least rank
> opportunists of the lowest sort. 
> 
> But after reading the posts sent by Sal and Joe, I
> can now say that it would be really difficult to top
> their one-liners! LOL!!!
> 
> "Hey Judy, you can believe whatever you want. It's 
> really none of my business what you believe. I have 
> presented my points. They are quite clear to me and 
> to others.
> 
> I see you, [particularly after my unjustified and 
> horrible remarks about Jewish people and your 
> subsequent persistance and outrage at them], to be 
> a person who is against deception and *for* 
> truthfulness..."
> 
> Read more:
> 
> Subject:  Re: Quote from Maharishi
> Author: John Manning 
> Forum: Yahoo! TMControversy 
> Date: August 2, 2002
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1053
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[WillyTex]

do.rks:
> I used to really think she was a genuine crusader 
> for the truth and mistakenly backed her self-superior 
> game - as others have done who've since seen that 
> folly...
>
You're just holding a grudge because Judy wouldn't
drink the Obama kool-aid. You're like that. To you,
politics is more important than TM and the mechanics
of consciousness. 

Face it, John, Judy beat you fair and square in a 
honest debate. That's why you've kept your pie hole 
shut, until today, when you managed to key in a whole 
paragraph, trying to defend yourself. 

Judy is way out of your league - better for your to 
stick to posting diatribes on the Mormon Religion 
discussion group.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The W T F Factor

[WillyTex]

Joe:
> > > I used to think Tex was the really crazy one. 
> > > Now I'm not so sure. She might be the champ in 
> > > the borderline personality disorder sweepstakes.
> > >
do.rk:
> > I've never seen anything like it.
> >
Judy:
> I am *so* tempted to quote from some of the do.rk's
> ickily worshipful emails to me, if we want to talk
> about personality disorders. I'll refrain, but it's
> a major effort.
>
Maybe Joe would be interested in reading some of the
icky email the do.rk sends to the Mormon Religion 
Group! John used to really like Judy, that is, until
the last U.S. election. Judy refused to drink the 
Obama kool-aid. That's when I noticed do.rk's strange
personality disorder. It's like he is almost two
personalities.

I had first noticed something was strange about the
do.rk before, back when he tried to pick a fight with 
Judy on Usenet. She whipped him real good in numerous
debates, then he decided that he really liked her a
lot. They were really good pals when they both were
trying to bash me for taking up for President Bush.

Judy had never responded to any of my 5,000 on-topic
messages about TM and the Maharishi, posted over a 
period of five years, until I started posting about
John Kerry and the Swifboaters. That's when they both 
got together and tried to smear me. So, I think it's
hilarious to read all their squables now. It may be
that they are both bi-polar, or at least rank
opportunists of the lowest sort. 

But after reading the posts sent by Sal and Joe, I
can now say that it would be really difficult to top
their one-liners! LOL!!!

"Hey Judy, you can believe whatever you want. It's 
really none of my business what you believe. I have 
presented my points. They are quite clear to me and 
to others.

I see you, [particularly after my unjustified and 
horrible remarks about Jewish people and your 
subsequent persistance and outrage at them], to be 
a person who is against deception and *for* 
truthfulness..."

Read more:

Subject:  Re: Quote from Maharishi
Author: John Manning 
Forum: Yahoo! TMControversy 
Date: August 2, 2002
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TMControversy/message/1053

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stopping by to drop in a link

[WillyTex]

> > Most TM people are not even aware, that as early as the
> > 1980's, major reviews by neuroscientists debunked most
> > of the TM Org's research. Remember the old graph that
> > showed how TM caused a drop in metabolic rate that was
> > greater than sleep? In the 80's they found out how
> > Wallace had fudged those findings. It turns out TM is
> > basically a controlled form of napping in terms of rest.
> > There is no "deep rest" or "deep meditation" about it.
> >
Judy:
> It's really too bad Lawson isn't still around to cite
> chapter and verse and nip this kind of crap in the bud.
> When he was here, Vaj couldn't get away with making
> such bogus claims without challenge.
> 
Lawson got kicked out of FFL by the votes cast by Vaj and 
Barry - too many facts for them to digest at one time. If 
Lawson had kept it simple, they might have understood,
but they're not here to learn or understand - they're here
to spout opinions.

> Wallace didn't "fudge" anything. He did get some
> things wrong in this early research, which he
> subsequently corrected. You'll notice that when Vaj
> wants to badmouth TM research, he'll frequently pick
> on the early studies when they were still trying to
> figure out how to test this stuff, as if the TM 
> researchers hadn't gone to great lengths in later years
> to refine their methods.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: An interview with Nancy Cooke de Herrera including the India TTC

[WillyTex]

> > When in fact, Rick Cooke, a noted National Geographic 
> > photographer, and a professed vegetarian, shot a crazed 
> > tiger from the seat of an elephant, that had attacked a 
> > tour guide who was on foot.
> >
Curtis:
> The legal council for the tiger would like me to object 
> to his client being mischaracterized as "crazed" having 
> been interrupted during an afternoon delight with his 
> lady-friend by an elephant (whose legal council wants me 
> to add wanted nothing to do with this affair).  It was 
> his intention to give the elephant a piece of his mind 
> when he was shot by a tiger hunter from the top of the 
> aforementioned elephant. How the shooter came into 
> possession of a tiger hunting rifle loaded with tiger 
> killing bullets during a tiger hunt is not a matter of 
> speculation for this writer.
> 
Who said the tiger was killed with a rifle? Put the pipe 
down, Curtis, and back away from the keyboard. You're not
even making any sense. A tiger would have to be 'crazy' 
to attack an armed tourist guide in a tiger preserve. 

Think about it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2010, at 12:14 PM, WillyTex wrote:


Joe:
> Judy has achieved what I had thought was
> unachievableshe actually IS crazier
> than Tex! Wowwho-da-thunk it!
>
Having a little trouble focusing, Joe?

> Question: ever been married Judy?
>
So, you don't have all the answers.



No, but I've often thought you two would make a great couple, as long  
as you promise not to have children.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The W T F Factor

[WillyTex]

Judy:
> Barry, if you put as much time and energy into writing
> your novel as you do writing fiction about me, you'd
> have finished it long since.
> 
Especially considering that Barry ostensibly doesn't
read any of your posts! LOL!!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[WillyTex]

Joe:
> Judy has achieved what I had thought was 
> unachievableshe actually IS crazier 
> than Tex! Wowwho-da-thunk it!
> 
Having a little trouble focusing, Joe?

> Question: ever been married Judy?
> 
So, you don't have all the answers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co-Dependent Borderline Personality Disorder, and its cure

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> I've often said this. It's horrible to have to say such
> things online, but when such persons target email lists
> with little or no moderation, everyone on the list suffers.
> 
> I knew a person, a recently deceased friend, who was a
> borderline. He was the scorn of his entire family. If you
> said something he didn't like, you'd either get a screaming
> phone call, or even worse, a personal visit. He also knew
> how to text message quite fast. Most people who knew him
> closely knew of his severe childhood abuse, both physical
> and sexual, and so would let him slide. All others either  
> spurned him or gave him very wide berth.

You really think Barry might have been physically and sexually
abused as a child? I've often wondered. *Something* must have
gone badly wrong.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Gal named first Transcendental World Arbiter of Truth

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> PROCLAMATION
> By the Royal Order
> of
> His Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj Raja Raam,
> First Ruler of Vishwa Shanti Rashtra,
> The Global Country of World Peace
> 
> In Preparation for the Auspicious Celebration of Navratri
> Of the Year 2069 of the Vedic Calendar


Please note that this was written by a REAL borderline case ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: about the rummage s...@fac

[m 13]

...The Sonheim is the FACC..?
Up from Revelations?
Well why didn't they just say Sonheim..?
(confused.)
 
I live out of town;Im a little out of the loop at times.
 
Mucho thanks
 
 
 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Yeah Joe don't you get it?  If I don't understand what
> she has written it is my inability to understand her
> perfect writing.

Well, let's correct the record here. I never suggested
my writing was "perfect," as Curtis knows. In fact, his
misunderstanding was quite reasonable given that he was
looking for something from me to be offended about.
What I had written wasn't explicit enough to keep him
from taking it the wrong way, and I never said or
implied that it was.

I *did* point out, however, that my response to his
initial sally, in which I acknowledged that many non-
TMers had surely donated on their own hook rather than
to the FFL fund, should have cleared up for him that I
hadn't been trying to suggest that non-TMers were
heartless tightwads, as he had at first thought and
wanted to rebut (understandably).

It isn't a matter of "perfect writing." It's simply a
matter of paying attention and being willing to let go
of a mistaken idea when it becomes obvious that it's
wrong. Once it was clear what his misunderstanding had
been, I stopped accusing him of trying to suggest that
TMers had contributed to the fund for purposes of one-
upsmanship. Eventually he reciprocated.

But it *was* ironic that he declared himself to be the
only one who was misunderstood, when it was his
misunderstanding that started the whole brouhaha.

> If she doesn't understand me it is because I am a bad 
> writer.

Actually, Curtis is usually a pretty good writer. It's
when he gets upset that his writing becomes unclear.

> It is the Las Vegas of shame,heads she wins tails I lose!

Or so Curtis enjoys telling himself. "The game is rigged!
That's why I made such a mess of it!"

And BTW, in general, it isn't a matter of "winning," just
a matter of *losing*. One person being a loser does not
make the other person a winner.

> She did declare you "not stupid." But before you break
> out the champagne I gotta warn you, that means that now
> if you disagree you are lying.

Only if he asserts factual falsehoods that there's reason
to believe he knows are false. I've never seen him do that
here; that doesn't seem to be how he rolls. As I said, his
problem is his tendency to make snap judgments and stick
with them without ever examining the actual evidence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: about the rummage s...@fac

[Alex Stanley]

Fairfield Arts & Convention Center

http://www.fairfieldacc.com/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13  wrote:
>
> Saw a sign...
> where is this FAC that the donations have been going for, this rummage sale 
> for this Friday-?
> landmarks greatly appreciated...
> Even if you are not going, if you know what/where FAC or FACC or whatever is, 
> i would like to go.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> -M
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?(oi vei!)

[m 13]

pray for peae..
 
 
 
peace
peace
peace


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Co-Dependent Borderline Personality Disorder, and its cure

[authfriend]

Let's look at an example of Barry's fiction-writing
where I'm concerned, the "edits" he made to the
Characterstics of Co-Dependency list he lifted from
Wikipedia (which Wikipedia took from Co-Dependents
Anonymous).

Only a couple of the items actually apply to me in
any case, but what's really interesting is the items
he *left out* (in one case he even left out part of
an item). They're in red below. It's obvious *why*
he left them out--most of them flatly contradict his
whole thesis. Not even Barry would be foolish enough
to try to persuade readers they described moi.

He didn't really do that good a job of "editing" the
list, though--he left in several that are starkly
WTF? such as the single "Low Self-Esteem" item he
did leave in; and under "Compliance," "I put aside my
own interests and hobbies in order to do what others
want."

I've also indicated which of the items *do* apply to me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB 
wrote:



> CHARACTERISTICS OF CO-DEPENDENCY
>
> Denial Patterns:
> * I have difficulty identifying what I am feeling.
> * I minimize, alter or deny how I truly feel.
> * I perceive myself as completely unselfish and
>dedicated to the well being of others.
>
> Low Self Esteem Patterns:
> * I value others' approval of my thinking, feelings
>and behavior over my own.

LEFT OUT:

* I have difficulty making decisions.
* I judge everything I think, say or do harshly, as never "good enough."
* I am embarrassed to receive recognition and praise or gifts.
* I do not ask others to meet my needs or desires.
* I do not perceive myself as a lovable or worthwhile person.

> Compliance Patterns:
> * I am very sensitive to how others are feeling and
>feel the same. [The first part applies to me; the
second depends entirely on what the feeling is.]
> * I value others' opinions and feelings more than
>my own and am afraid to express DIFFERING OPINIONS
  [LEFT OUT!] and feelings of my own.
> * I put aside my own interests and hobbies in order
>to do what others want.

LEFT OUT:

* I compromise my own values and integrity to avoid rejection or others'
anger.
* I am extremely loyal, remaining in harmful situations too long.
* I accept sex when I want love.

> Control Patterns:
> * I believe most other people are incapable of taking
>care of themselves.
> * I attempt to convince others of what they "should"
>think and how they "truly" feel. [Yes to the first
part, but of course we all do that, including Barry. No
to the second part, although I may intuit what one person
is feeling and try to convince others of what that person
is feeling.]
> * I become resentful when others will not let me help
>them.
> * I freely offer others advice and directions without
>being asked. [This is the *sole item* in the entire
list that applies to me without qualification.]
> * I have to be "needed" in order to have a relationship
>with others.

LEFT OUT:

* I lavish gifts and favors on those I care about.
* I use sex to gain approval and acceptance.

Isn't that amazing?



> it is my considered opinion that the *only* thing that
> can help her overcome her Borderline Personality Dis-
> order is the thing she fears the most -- being ignored.

Anyway, after this disastrous attempt to foist a
"personality disorder" on me, Barry goes back to his
perennial plea that everyone ignore me (something
he's pathetically incapable of doing himself).

It's the closest he can come to demanding censorship.

Note that I have *never* suggested that anyone should
ignore Barry. You have to be genuinely afraid of what
a person has to say to want to censor them.


> And if you think I'm wrong in this armchair psychoanalysis
> of her and her behavior, just sit back and watch how she
> reacts to it.

Barry Wright, as usual, Master of Inadvertent Irony.

(Sorry, do.rk, you gave it the old college try,
but you didn't come close to seizing the title.)

[FairfieldLife] FFL Gal-first Transcendental World Arbiter of Truth(hoo boy)

[m 13]

peace peace peace
 
 
 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[curtisdeltablues]

Yeah Joe don't you get it?  If I don't understand what she has written it is my 
inability to understand her perfect writing.  If she doesn't understand me it 
is because I am a bad writer.  It is the Las Vegas of shame,heads she wins 
tails I lose!

She did declare you "not stupid." But before you break out the champagne I 
gotta warn you, that means that now if you disagree you are lying. 


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > For someone who prides themselves on understanding the
> > > > written word so well and the intentions of the writer,
> > > > I have to say...I have never met anyone with less ability
> > > > to understand what I write.  Every interaction is a struggle.
> > > 
> > > That would be *so* much more impressive if it hadn't
> > > been *your* misunderstanding of what *I* wrote--which
> > > you've even acknowledged--that led you to start this
> > > fight.
> > > 
> > > It would also be more impressive if you were able to
> > > point to anything that I misunderstood of what you
> > > wrote, other than the fact that I didn't immediately
> > > realize how completely you'd misunderstood what I had
> > > said.
> > >
> > Classic.
> 
> You know something, Geeze? I don't expect you to ever
> have the guts to do this, but if you were to follow 
> one of these exchanges you leave your little yapyapyap
> turds on, actually follow it closely from one post to
> another, from the beginning to the end, so you
> understood what was going  on, you would be so
> embarrassed.
> 
> You aren't stupid. You just have a habit of making
> snap judgments and insisting on sticking with them
> no matter what.
> 
> Curtis *did* misunderstand the point I was making. He
> admitted it. Because he isn't the world's clearest
> writer when he's dealing with a challenge (and not
> just from me), I didn't realize what his problem was
> for several go-rounds.
> 
> And that wasn't his only misunderstanding in this
> exchange. He's also not real clear on how rhetorical
> questions work, even when he asks them, and even more
> so when somebody else does.
> 
> That's what makes his comment at the top so ironic.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Co-Dependent Borderline Personality Disorder, and its cure

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Someone *not* a part of any of the ongoing Judy Debates
commented on it yesterday, pointing out that she was acting
like a sixth-grader. I responded by pointing out that she
was actually acting more like a person suffering from
Borderline Personality Disorder.



I've often said this. It's horrible to have to say such things  
online, but when such persons target email lists with little or no  
moderation, everyone on the list suffers.


I knew a person, a recently deceased friend, who was a borderline. He  
was the scorn of his entire family. If you said something he didn't  
like, you'd either get a screaming phone call, or even worse, a  
personal visit. He also knew how to text message quite fast. Most  
people who knew him closely knew of his severe childhood abuse, both  
physical and sexual, and so would let him slide. All others either  
spurned him or gave him very wide berth.


Interestingly, right before he died, he contacted his abusers and  
forgave them. He also apologized to his few close friends. He told me  
he felt his time was near. Then shortly thereafter, he died suddenly  
of a blood clot to the brain. He'd already paid for his funeral ahead  
of time.

[FairfieldLife] FFL Gal named first Transcendental World Arbiter of Truth

[TurquoiseB]

PROCLAMATION
By the Royal Order
of
His Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj Raja Raam,
First Ruler of Vishwa Shanti Rashtra,
The Global Country of World Peace

In Preparation for the Auspicious Celebration of Navratri
Of the Year 2069 of the Vedic Calendar

In the light of Veda, in a Royal Proclamation to prepare for the
upcoming celebration of Navratri of the Vedic Calendar, His Majesty, in
recognition of her many years of meritorious service, has given one of
his faithful subjects -- Judy Stein of the Domain of New Jersey -- a new
spiritual name: Maha Nandi (Big Bull).

In a worldwide satellite conference celebration, amid cheers, applause,
and the sounds of conches and ringing bells, His Majesty further
announced: "It is a great joy to not only bestow upon Maha Nandi her new
spiritual name, but to appoint her the first Transcendental World
Arbiter of Truth of The Global Country of World Peace."

"In Vedic times the role of Transcendental World Arbiter of Truth, or
TWAT for short, was always an honored one. It was the TWAT's job to
oversee everything said in the kingdom and make absolute declarations as
to whether what was being said was Truth or not. Surely, given her
illustrious past history of doing exactly this without official
approval, no one could could be more qualified as a TWAT than Judy
Stein, now Maha Nandi."

His Majesty also announced the creation of a beautiful new TWAT Training
Program, in which aspiring Arbiters of Truth will be taught how to tell
Truth from Nandishit, and how to make dispensers of the latter PAY for
violating the Laws Of Nature. The 40 Rajas of the Worldwide Movement,
already too terrified of the TWAT to object, applauded the new TWAT
Training Progam once they were assured that none of their wives or
mistresses would be allowed to attend it.

According to His Majesty, "The goal of the Global Country of World Peace
is to create a firm declaration of what constitutes Truth and impose it
on everyone everywhere. I have no doubts that our new official TWAT will
do that in her official capacity, just as she has done unofficially for
years, and will work closely with the Royal Family of the Global Country
of World Peace to ensure enlightened administration of the world for all
mankind for all generations."

Newly-appointed Maha Nandi interrupted His Higness at this point to say,
"What do you mean by 'work closely with the Royal Family?' If I take the
job of TWAT I'm going to tell you *and* your wife and bratty kids what
Truth is, not vice-versa. That's what being a TWAT is all about." His
Majesty merely nodded sagely and fondled his new, improved nose job,
possibly thinking of Mrs. Majesty.

More details of this beautiful program will be announced shortly. Please
distribute this Royal Proclamation to all everywhere so that they may
join us in celebration or avoid the TWAT completely, as suits their
individaul Ayurvedic constitution.

Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] and its cure..(stop throwing rocks)

[m 13]

Peace
 
Do something life giving
there is another way
there doesn't have to be suffering 
there is so much beauty in the world, and both of you are part of that beauty
 
Reveal those things instead about each other and yourself
 
Throw confetti instead of rocks of insults
 
Rocks are so hard and cold
 
Confetti is light and happily colored
you can add sparkles if you like 
 
You can  
 
You can 
 
 
Cmon people now, 
smile on your brother 
everybody get together now,
try to love one another right now
 
 
 
Im checkin in on youze guyz later


  

[FairfieldLife] about the rummage s...@fac

[m 13]

Saw a sign...
where is this FAC that the donations have been going for, this rummage sale for 
this Friday-?
landmarks greatly appreciated...
Even if you are not going, if you know what/where FAC or FACC or whatever is, i 
would like to go.
 
Thanks.
 
-M


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The W T F Factor

[authfriend]

Barry, if you put as much time and energy into writing
your novel as you do writing fiction about me, you'd
have finished it long since.

One comment on an especially amusing part below; the
rest is so obviously from Mars it needs no comment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"  
> wrote:
> >
> > For a day or two this posting week,  a glimpse of maturity 
> > appeared.  Now, the sixth-grader has reappeared.  Go away, 
> > sixth grader ! Don't take the bait ! Re-enter the classroom 
> > devoid of juvenile neuroses.  You can do it.  
> 
> Actually, she can't. That's what makes it 
> Borderline Personality Disorder.
> 
> She *started* the week attacking me, stay-
> ing up so she could get in the official 
> "last word" from last week,

Right, "staying up" till 7:00 p.m. EST.



 posted at lit-
> erally one minute before the end of the 
> last posting week. (How "six years old" 
> is THAT?) Only 40 minutes later she had 
> to do another "Bash Barry" post, because 
> I guess the first one hadn't really
> gotten the venom out of her system. 
> 
> *Then* she "laid low" for a couple of days,
> obviously so stung by having been easily
> lured into posting out early every other
> week for months that she was trying desper-
> ately not to do it again. It helped that I 
> was doing exactly what I said in my CORRECTOR 
> Newsletter parody and ignoring her silly
> ass, and giving her no provocation.
> 
> Then someone called her on her BPD and she
> seems to have lost it, reverting back to
> her standard M.O. in post #242471, dropping
> back into Victim Mode. I made a few posts
> critical of or making fun of the TMO (*not*
> her personally, *not* TMers as a whole), 
> and she (for once) *didn't* jump on them,
> preferring to "simmer" in Victim Mode until
> Monday. 
> 
> I meanwhile continued as usual, making fun 
> of That Which Deserves To Be Made Fun Of, 
> the TMO. And the occasional individual TMer 
> who deserved a pranging, such as JohnR. She 
> then dropped the pretense of not being in 
> "Bash Barry" BPD Mode and made nine posts 
> in a very short time either bashing Barry
> or "correcting" something he said. Or, even
> more insane, pretending to be replying to
> one of them as if she expected an answer,
> when she hasn't gotten one in months.
> 
> Enter Curtis, nailing her on her "TMers 
> Rule" elitism. And it's "off to the races" 
> again. Having gotten someone to actually 
> *participate* in one of her venom-fests, 
> she managed to slip my name into almost 
> every one of her subsequent exchanges with 
> Curtis. A dispassionate viewer might think 
> that she was actually more interested in Yet 
> Another Opportunity To Bash Barry than she 
> was in the pissing contest with Curtis. 
> 
> At this point I had *still* not entered the
> fray and commented. Then, last night, I did.
> And the six-grader took over, in full BPD
> Mode, and will remain in charge until she
> posts out again early this week, even after
> trying desperately not to by "laying low"
> the early part of the week.
> 
> Could there *BE* a more classic case of 
> Borderline Personality Disorder? She'll find 
> a way to turn almost *anything* into an "attack,"
> because the inner child inside a near-70-year-
> old woman is so damaged that it only feels
> "real" and "alive" when it thinks it's being 
> "attacked" and has to defend itself. Or others,
> who not only never asked her to defend them,
> but are embarrassed when she does it.
> 
> It'd be almost entertaining (in an ongoing,
> predictable, soap opera kind of way) if it 
> weren't so sad.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> But I learned from it and had the benefit of having closely
> observed her methods, and have come to recognize how she
> operates as a pathological self-superior and self appointed
> arbiter of how everyone else should think and behave by HER 
> standards.

Hooboy, he's challenging Barry for the title Master of
Inadvertent Irony here. The reason I fell from the
do.rk's favor was my unwillingness to fall in line with
his worship of Obama.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning from the Sin of Sodom?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> OK, that makes it official for me. Judy has achieved what I had thought was 
> unachievableshe actually IS crazier than Tex! Wowwho-da-thunk it!
> 


I used to really think she was a genuine crusader for the truth and mistakenly 
backed her self-superior game - as others have done who've since seen that 
folly.  Yoiks!... that was a painful and humiliating lesson for me as I began 
to see how she continuously tore people down just for her entertainment. 

She uses her editorial verbal skills as a sadistic exercise of 
self-aggrandisement. I vaguely recall her having said it was like an 
exhilarating tennis match for her.

But I learned from it and had the benefit of having closely observed her 
methods, and have come to recognize how she operates as a pathological 
self-superior and self appointed arbiter of how everyone else should think and 
behave by HER standards. 

Like I said, I've never seen anything like it. 


> Question: ever been married Judy?
> 






> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > OK so you are saying that saying it was interesting that
> > > > > it was ONLY TM people who gave is not a statement at all
> > > > > about non TM people not giving.
> > > > 
> > > > *You* said "ONLY." I said "all."
> > > 
> > > This is not a reasonable distinction.
> > 
> > Obviously it is in this context, because your
> > reading--reflected in your term "ONLY"--caused you
> > to think it was a slight on non-TMers.
> > 
> > "ONLY" is, as you said, the "flip side," the side
> > you focused on, the negative side, the assumption
> > of a slight, so you could pick a fight.
> > 
> > "All"--the word I used--focused on the positive side,
> > the fact that TMers were eager to help, contrary to
> > Barry's vicious slur, which bothers you not at all.
> > You're focused only on slights on non-TMers from
> > TMers. Hypocrite.
> > 
> > 
> > > > Obviously you didn't ask why TMers gave because what you
> > > > had in mind was that they felt sorry for the poor Haitians.
> > > 
> > > If that was not a part of it they are not human.  It was
> > > not a bad guess.  I assumed they give a shit.  Remember my
> > > view of TMers is that they are just ordinary people.
> > 
> > Not the point. Disingenuous.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > That was *my* point. It didn't make any sense to say
> > > > > > "I'm glad you got to donate" as if I might *not* have
> > > > > > gotten to donate. If you miswrote, fine, just say so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It makes perfect sense and I didn't miswrite anything.
> > > > > It was a turn of phrase
> > > > 
> > > > Which didn't make sense.
> > > 
> > > We are not getting anywhere here.  It sure makes sense
> > > to me that TM people might care about Haitians.
> > 
> > Not the point. Disingenuous.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > Because its flip side of your "interesting" point was
> > > > > that non TMers had not contributed to this specific fund.
> > > > 
> > > > That was *your* flip side, not one I was pointing to.
> > > 
> > > OK but I felt like making sure my own point got made.
> > 
> > One more time: *I* made that point before you did.
> > That should have clued you in right away that you
> > had misinterpreted my point. But then you'd have had
> > to give up on the fight you chose to pick, so you
> > managed not to notice.
> > 
> > > I'm pretty sure that is how it works here.  I didn't 
> > > accuse you of anything I asked you a question.
> > 
> > I didn't say you accused me of anything. And your
> > question was obviously rhetorical; you had an
> > answer in mind, you weren't looking for one from
> > me.
> > 
> > Interestingly enough, you *still* haven't been
> > willing to state what that answer was.
> > 
> > > Then you demonstrated why non TM people might not want
> > > to get involved in your agenda with Barry.  And I don't
> > > give a shit who started it because there is no real start. 
> > 
> > Yeah, there is. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > OK.  So now we both made the points interesting to us.
> > > > 
> > > > Except that yours had nothing to do with mine.
> > > 
> > > Yeah that's because I don't live in your head, I am
> > > outside here in another body with another perspective.
> > 
> > You mistakenly assumed it had something to do with mine
> > because you were looking for a fight.
> > 
> > 
> > > > We all had "other channels to give," of course. But
> > > > since you raised the issue of non-TMers not donating to
> > > > the FFL fund, the question arises as to why they didn't
> > > > join in, why there wasn't group solidarity in helping
> > > > Haiti. As I pointed out, none of those who donated
> > > > waved the TM flag; we were waving the *FFL* 

[FairfieldLife] Don't be afraid of the word soscialist - Ray Patel

[nablusoss1008]

http://fora.tv/2010/01/06/Raj_Patel_The_Value_of_Nothing#fullprogram

[FairfieldLife] Co-Dependent Borderline Personality Disorder, and its cure

[TurquoiseB]

Someone *not* a part of any of the ongoing Judy Debates
commented on it yesterday, pointing out that she was acting
like a sixth-grader. I responded by pointing out that she
was actually acting more like a person suffering from
Borderline Personality Disorder.

The larger phenomenon, however, for anyone who actually
*cares* about Judy Stein and her eventual return to sanity,
is the "pile on" phenomenon we see so often on Fairfield 
Life, which is in my opinion a form of Co-Dependent 
Borderline Personality Disorder.

Judy's BPD *feeds* on *feedback*. What she seems to want
more than anything else is *approval* from the imagined
throngs following her every word. Note the ongoing attempts
to berate people for *not* following every word of her BPD-
fests, as if they were the Word Of God, and "deserved" to
be not only read but applauded. And all that it takes to 
"get her started" again is for one of her sidekicks (now 
that Raunchy has wisely decided to lay low, limited mainly
to Nabby, Willytex, and JohnR) "piling on" by saying 
something like, "You really 'got' him that time, Judy."

CHARACTERISTICS OF CO-DEPENDENCY

Denial Patterns:
* I have difficulty identifying what I am feeling.
* I minimize, alter or deny how I truly feel.
* I perceive myself as completely unselfish and 
   dedicated to the well being of others.

Low Self Esteem Patterns:
* I value others' approval of my thinking, feelings 
   and behavior over my own.

Compliance Patterns:
* I am very sensitive to how others are feeling and 
   feel the same.
* I value others' opinions and feelings more than 
   my own and am afraid to express feelings of my own.
* I put aside my own interests and hobbies in order 
   to do what others want.

Control Patterns:
* I believe most other people are incapable of taking 
   care of themselves.
* I attempt to convince others of what they "should" 
   think and how they "truly" feel.
* I become resentful when others will not let me help 
   them.
* I freely offer others advice and directions without 
   being asked.
* I have to be "needed" in order to have a relationship 
   with others.

Any of this sound familiar? Especially how she reacts
when someone who was once one of her co-dependent 
sidekicks figures out her act and dumps her? See post
#242793, in which she lashes out at do.rflex for no
longer holding up his end of the co-dependent relation-
ship, or post #242791, in which she wishes one of her 
old co-dependents Lawson were still around to "back 
her up" and provide "pile on" feedback to her.

Personally, I tend to find the co-dependent sidekicks
somewhat sadder than the person suffering from Borderline
Personality Disorder, because although they are equally
liable to perceive themselves as "attacked" when someone
challenges a mere *idea* that they believe in, they are
also willing to let someone else respond to the perceived
attack, and to "cheer her on" when she does so.

In my opinion, one of the things that *keeps* Judy locked
into Borderline Personality Disorder is the "piling on"
from her co-dependent sidekicks. If they actually cared
about her, I think they'd join wiser folks on this forum
by ignoring her BPD outbursts instead of encouraging 
them. But they don't. WHY?

Well, one reason is that they're cowards and want to let
someone else "fight their fights for them." Another 
reason is that they are just as TM-elitist as Judy is,
and want to see her "win," even if she and they are the
only people in the universe who perceive a "win" in 
acting like a sixth-grader. 

Having been stalked by Judy Stein for over 16 years now,
it is my considered opinion that the *only* thing that
can help her overcome her Borderline Personality Dis-
order is the thing she fears the most -- being ignored.
The illusion that people are "following" every word of
her BPD tirades *fuels* them and perpetuates them. The
"piling on" from her few remaining co-dependent side-
kicks also *fuels* her BPD. 

If you care about Judy Stein, *stop fueling her insanity*.
If by now you are just so annoyed by Judy Stein that
you wish she'd just grow up and graduate into the 
seventh grade and STFU, *stop fueling her insanity*. 

And if you think I'm wrong in this armchair psychoanalysis
of her and her behavior, just sit back and watch how she
reacts to it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The W T F Factor

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"  
wrote:
>
> For a day or two this posting week,  a glimpse of maturity 
> appeared.  Now, the sixth-grader has reappeared.  Go away, 
> sixth grader ! Don't take the bait ! Re-enter the classroom 
> devoid of juvenile neuroses.  You can do it.  

Actually, she can't. That's what makes it 
Borderline Personality Disorder.

She *started* the week attacking me, stay-
ing up so she could get in the official 
"last word" from last week, posted at lit-
erally one minute before the end of the 
last posting week. (How "six years old" 
is THAT?) Only 40 minutes later she had 
to do another "Bash Barry" post, because 
I guess the first one hadn't really
gotten the venom out of her system. 

*Then* she "laid low" for a couple of days,
obviously so stung by having been easily
lured into posting out early every other
week for months that she was trying desper-
ately not to do it again. It helped that I 
was doing exactly what I said in my CORRECTOR 
Newsletter parody and ignoring her silly
ass, and giving her no provocation.

Then someone called her on her BPD and she
seems to have lost it, reverting back to
her standard M.O. in post #242471, dropping
back into Victim Mode. I made a few posts
critical of or making fun of the TMO (*not*
her personally, *not* TMers as a whole), 
and she (for once) *didn't* jump on them,
preferring to "simmer" in Victim Mode until
Monday. 

I meanwhile continued as usual, making fun 
of That Which Deserves To Be Made Fun Of, 
the TMO. And the occasional individual TMer 
who deserved a pranging, such as JohnR. She 
then dropped the pretense of not being in 
"Bash Barry" BPD Mode and made nine posts 
in a very short time either bashing Barry
or "correcting" something he said. Or, even
more insane, pretending to be replying to
one of them as if she expected an answer,
when she hasn't gotten one in months.

Enter Curtis, nailing her on her "TMers 
Rule" elitism. And it's "off to the races" 
again. Having gotten someone to actually 
*participate* in one of her venom-fests, 
she managed to slip my name into almost 
every one of her subsequent exchanges with 
Curtis. A dispassionate viewer might think 
that she was actually more interested in Yet 
Another Opportunity To Bash Barry than she 
was in the pissing contest with Curtis. 

At this point I had *still* not entered the
fray and commented. Then, last night, I did.
And the six-grader took over, in full BPD
Mode, and will remain in charge until she
posts out again early this week, even after
trying desperately not to by "laying low"
the early part of the week.

Could there *BE* a more classic case of 
Borderline Personality Disorder? She'll find 
a way to turn almost *anything* into an "attack,"
because the inner child inside a near-70-year-
old woman is so damaged that it only feels
"real" and "alive" when it thinks it's being 
"attacked" and has to defend itself. Or others,
who not only never asked her to defend them,
but are embarrassed when she does it.

It'd be almost entertaining (in an ongoing,
predictable, soap opera kind of way) if it 
weren't so sad.