[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. Hmmm...not sure what karma you're talking about here~~ becoming fabulously wealthy and living to 92? Doesn't sound so bad to me~~I know any number of people that wouldn't mind reaping that kind of karma. When it comes to karma, I tend to think multi- incarnationally, Sal. I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, if there is one. WAY too attached to go gently into that dark night. On another level, one's karma is how one is remembered after one's passing. Hide much of your life for most of your life, and as the truth comes out it's difficult for even those who loved you the most to remember you completely positively. Another reason to just live honestly in the first place in my opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. Hmmm...not sure what karma you're talking about here~~ becoming fabulously wealthy and living to 92? Doesn't sound so bad to me~~I know any number of people that wouldn't mind reaping that kind of karma. When it comes to karma, I tend to think multi- incarnationally, Sal. I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, if there is one. WAY too attached to go gently into that dark night. On another level, one's karma is how one is remembered after one's passing. Hide much of your life for most of your life, and as the truth comes out it's difficult for even those who loved you the most to remember you completely positively. Another reason to just live honestly in the first place in my opinion. Peel me off the floor, I can't stop laughing. Living Honestly is Barry's sermon of the day? Really? Turn about is fair play. As Barry goes gently into that good night let's remember him for having lived honestly as a person who never made a pretense of being a hypocrite. IMO his speculation about Maharishi's afterlife is just another excuse for him to stick a few more pins into the Maharishi voodoo doll he'll likely take with him into Hell. Geez, talk about attachment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: he never showed an ounce of interest in real, in-depth study of the things he purported to teach, stopping at the most superficial, surface levels of most of them, and his narcissism was such that he could stand no view of him but his own to even be in the same room with him. Great lines! The truth of what you say was witnessed at symposiums when somebody ended up there who was not a true believer. The exchanges were uncomfortable because Maharishi was not there to learn anything new. He would revert to puns and cliches endlessly repeating his into lecture assertions while the guest was left to realize that he was talking to a brick wall. As I think back at how many hour days and weeks I listened to him give different version of the intro lecture I am embarrassed that I didn't stand up and say, But there isn't any there there, you are just repeating the same points.! I guess the state of mind I was in from program made it all feel profound like watching Sponge Bob on weed. The second point about not allowing people in the room who disagreed reveals how flimsily the whole thing was held together intellectually. You had to be on board and play along. You had to have the phrases of the system memorized to spout at the right times. MIU was where the intellectual claims sometimes hit the wall. I remember in my Philosophy of Science class an initiator used what we had learned in class to prove in detail how SCI was in fact a religion and not a science. He was a brave soul. The administration came down on him and our teacher had to have many private sessions to correct the thinking. I would love to hear the whole story from the guy. The rest of us in the major just shook our heads and said, must be unstressing, he just doesn't get it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Then we might see him as a super religious guy who had a personality disorder. (I get off the bus here.) Me, too. Most superstitious, lost-in-medieval-ways- of-thinking person I've ever met. He did believe all the religious stuff and believed he was doing good for the world but it was filtered through the twisted lens of grandiosity and narcissism. Exactly. It wasn't that he wanted to be a user but he couldn't help himself. He had a contempt for his fawning followers and felt isolated from them. I don't think he felt contempt for his followers; I don't think he felt *anything* for his followers. They weren't Him; how important could they be? :-) Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. He wasn't terribly smart except in how to manipulate people and make money, he never showed an ounce of interest in real, in-depth study of the things he purported to teach, stopping at the most superficial, surface levels of most of them, and his narcissism was such that he could stand no view of him but his own to even be in the same room with him. I don't think he did anything terribly interesting for planet Earth, and I doubt seriously whether his name will be even remembered ten years from now. That's my honest assessment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip He wasn't terribly smart except in how to manipulate people and make money, he never showed an ounce of interest in real, in-depth study of the things he purported to teach, stopping at the most superficial, surface levels of most of them And you think this because you understood the deeper levels of the things he taught? Wanna give us an example? (What are you doing up at 5 in the morning, BTW?)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: You had to be on board and play along. You had to have the phrases of the system memorized to spout at the right times. What is supposed to be real, authentic, Number One experiences people write up, get approved and then are allowed to read themselves, if not on THP or THMD (those people have an official deadpan reader appointed to do the reading), to the assembly are actually rehashes of Maharishi's last, secret talks to IA. THP and THMD especially can't call a spade a spade while describing an experience. Somehow the latest Sanskrit buzzwords Maharishi taught the group are cognized by the experiencer as embodiments what they experienced. To those who don't like using the latest buzzwords, this all sounds just too convenient, too contrived. I often wonder when I have a flashy experience whether I'd have the experience if I did not have a word or phrase to describe the experience, which word or phrase was drilled into me 100 times an hour, permutated, permutated, permutated, repeated again lecture after lecture.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prop 8 Hate Loses
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Right wing organizations and whackadoodle Mormons who baptized dead Jews but can't wrap their heads around gay marriage, got Prop 8 passed in California but today Judge Walker ruled against Prop 8 by upholding The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words you can't have a ballot initiative that lets California or any state deny a citizen his or her rights. Hooray! Today is a victory for same sex marriage. So here's a thought, instead of more Prop 8 ballot initiatives that will likely see vigorous challenges in the courts, why not just get rid of the 14th Amendment altogether? No kidding, this is exactly what several prominent Senators have said they want to do. They want to get rid of the 14th Amendment! But wait! It's not because of of The Gay, it's because of the anchor babies, children born in the USA whose parents are here illegally. Hey, it's a twofer. The 14th Amendment, adopted to insure citizenship for AAs, also says anyone born in the USA is a citizen. Interestingly, both of these stories are in the news at the same time but I haven't seen anyone in the media make this connection. IMO it isn't a coincidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause The ultimate irony, from the Political Achievements page of the RNC Web site: Republicans Passed the 14th Amendment The 14th Amendment guarantees due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens. It enshrines in the Constitution provisions of the GOP's 1866 Civil Rights Act. The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat [sic] oppressors in the post-Civil War South. The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats. In 1868, the Republican Governor of New Jersey vetoed an attempt by the Democrat-controlled legislature to rescind the state's ratification of the 14th Amendment. http://www.gop.com/index.php/learn/accomplishment/ h/t: Daily Kos (via Benen's blog)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: he never showed an ounce of interest in real, in-depth study of the things he purported to teach, stopping at the most superficial, surface levels of most of them, and his narcissism was such that he could stand no view of him but his own to even be in the same room with him. Great lines! The truth of what you say was witnessed at symposiums when somebody ended up there who was not a true believer. The exchanges were uncomfortable because Maharishi was not there to learn anything new. He would revert to puns and cliches endlessly repeating his into lecture assertions while the guest was left to realize that he was talking to a brick wall. As I think back at how many hour days and weeks I listened to him give different version of the intro lecture I am embarrassed that I didn't stand up and say, But there isn't any there there, you are just repeating the same points.! I guess the state of mind I was in from program made it all feel profound like watching Sponge Bob on weed. The second point about not allowing people in the room who disagreed reveals how flimsily the whole thing was held together intellectually. You had to be on board and play along. You had to have the phrases of the system memorized to spout at the right times. MIU was where the intellectual claims sometimes hit the wall. I remember in my Philosophy of Science class an initiator used what we had learned in class to prove in detail how SCI was in fact a religion and not a science. He was a brave soul. The administration came down on him and our teacher had to have many private sessions to correct the thinking. I would love to hear the whole story from the guy. The rest of us in the major just shook our heads and said, must be unstressing, he just doesn't get it! Exactly. I remember so many times while on TTC - someone with real integrity would get up and present an idea or question that was contrary to the sweet, align-yourself-with-MMY feeling in the room. The issue might be feminism, the value of tai chi, feelings of anger, wanting more details about unstressing, doubts about any point expressed by MMY. While on TTC, I too thought the person was just unstressing and radiating some negativity - and I wished he would just keep quiet because it made me feel a tad anxious to have my comfortable world view rocked. At the same time, MMY usually joked or ignored or outright dismissed the person's concerns. AFter seeing this several times, I began to notice the gut feeling I had of really sympathizing with the unstressor. I wanted MMY to deal with them with honesty and respect. When I left TTC, and especially when I left the siddhis course, I was much less tolerant of MMY's way of handling all these things. I knew that I simply did not like the way he went about answering questions that challenged him in any way. I knew that supposedly his responses were in tune with the Laws of Nature and must be good for the recipient. But it made me kind of dig in my heels and rely on my own value system (which can be rationalized as maybe that is the benefit for me) even when confronted with a Master whose technique I loved and still do. the bottom line is that I would never have tolerated MMY's type of behavior in a friend and have thought any teacher behaving that way really unkind and a jerk. In the end, I think MMY was 100% committed to his mission and would do anything to get it done and done his way. I think he could be moody, and probably lost patience with people. I never every heard him apologize in any way. I think he thoroughly enjoy his life and his role. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Then we might see him as a super religious guy who had a personality disorder. (I get off the bus here.) Me, too. Most superstitious, lost-in-medieval-ways- of-thinking person I've ever met. He did believe all the religious stuff and believed he was doing good for the world but it was filtered through the twisted lens of grandiosity and narcissism. Exactly. It wasn't that he wanted to be a user but he couldn't help himself. He had a contempt for his fawning followers and felt isolated from them. I don't think he felt contempt for his followers; I don't think he felt *anything* for his followers. They weren't Him; how important could they be? :-) Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. He wasn't terribly smart except in how to manipulate people and make money, he never showed an ounce of interest in real, in-depth study of the things he purported to teach,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prop 8 Hate Loses
Jon Stewart explains Anchor babies: http://tonightsforecastdark.blogspot.com/2010/08/daily-show-anchor-babies.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Right wing organizations and whackadoodle Mormons who baptized dead Jews but can't wrap their heads around gay marriage, got Prop 8 passed in California but today Judge Walker ruled against Prop 8 by upholding The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words you can't have a ballot initiative that lets California or any state deny a citizen his or her rights. Hooray! Today is a victory for same sex marriage. So here's a thought, instead of more Prop 8 ballot initiatives that will likely see vigorous challenges in the courts, why not just get rid of the 14th Amendment altogether? No kidding, this is exactly what several prominent Senators have said they want to do. They want to get rid of the 14th Amendment! But wait! It's not because of of The Gay, it's because of the anchor babies, children born in the USA whose parents are here illegally. Hey, it's a twofer. The 14th Amendment, adopted to insure citizenship for AAs, also says anyone born in the USA is a citizen. Interestingly, both of these stories are in the news at the same time but I haven't seen anyone in the media make this connection. IMO it isn't a coincidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Looking at the superficial aspects of a yogi, saint, sadhu, mukti, is like looking at a smudge on a glass and thinking Its all smudge. The same for looking at anyone actually. (Something that is eye-opening, is to watch some who focus on the totality of the person, not the smudge.) Its not MMY who changed, IMO, its we who changed, our views changed. The change occurred for many reasons, growing up, more knowledge, clearer or less clear mind, and quite importantly, our karma. Various people had vastly different interactions with MMY -- IMO that was simple the unwinding of varius individual karma. Someone whose karma was to get treated like shit by their teacher got that. Someone whose karma was to be on great terms always (vernon perhaps) got that. The karma we got relative to MMY helped shape our view. Crappy karma made some see all smudge. Those with karma of great interactions tenededm differently. Or some, regardless of treatment, saw more than smudges -- and they tend to see more than smudges in all people. Who cares who or what MMY was? The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavisma...@... wrote: Joe, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts and agree with you that Maharishi's basic nature likely hadn't changed over time. It appears evident that it was exactly his nature to promote Guru Dev and the Shankaracharya-ship that got him where it got him -- favor with his guru and influence within the Jyotir Math organization. Coming from an educated, business family and caste with a mercantile mindset it doesn't seem surprising that he organized the way he did with the TMO. As a young man, once he was close to Guru Dev he got to meet influential and wealthy individuals as the personal representative of a powerful man and his organization. Pretty heady stuff. The whole TM thing, in one sense, was just a way of him continuing to do what he'd done before for Guru Dev -- to keep on promoting and organizing. Guru Dev apparently gave people seeking initiation instruction to do japa twice a day and it's easy to see how Maharishi might have modified that basic instruction, realizing that it was something anyone could do, and interpreted or understood his intuition to be a sort of divine revelation and mission given to him by his guru. Dynamism and energy were both defining characteristics of Maharishi; at least that got a lot of press, to whatever degree it was true. And Maharishi wasn't much of a meditator, at least not in practice. It seems clear that meditating all day in a small basement and sitting by Ganges as the sun went down, didn't much suit Maharishi's nature and, for whateve reason, it wasn't long before he went south and got the inspiration to go about doing what he always did best -- promoting and organizing under the rubric of the Shankaracharya. Maharishi's great fortune was to hit the scene with a product and a message that caught the wave of culture change in the West at exactly the right moment in time and in exactly the right way. There were other spiritual teachers that hit the ground around the same time but none with the same numbers as he did. His message totally resonated with the zeitgeist and had a really long ride through the culture. The basic message stills resonates today, even though it's no longer taught or been emphasized by the TMO for decades. Maharishi was a powerful presence, a charismatic personality, and for a while, a very insightful promoter. But his marketing strategies failed with the introduction of the TM-siddhis. He was lucky in the beginning, and he was a true believer in himself; he trusted his intuitive schemes to work miracles. When they didn't, he marketed the next ideas to the smaller and smaller groups of people who still believed in idea of miracles. I think he was acting out his promoter, managerial nature within the spiritual teacher context. I enjoyed all my time I had with him and doing all the stuff I got to do within the TMO. And I still meditate, wave the light and all that, and I couldn't tell you exactly why I do, but I just dig it. Finally (I'm doing a little catch-up here, not having posted for a while), I loved reading Judith Borque's book and passed it on right away to my former spouse. We both agreed that it brought back all those feelings we had on those long courses, all the expectancy and social jockeying, how wonderfully spaced out and magical it felt to round all day . . . ; reading the book got a whole array of synapses firing that hadn't done that together for a
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Forgot your pills today I see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Joe: I hope others weigh in on this topic since it remains one of great interest to those of us who devoted a chunk of our lives to him and his cause... Oh, Jezzus! Talk about your well-poisoners! What a boat-load of crap. This is more depressing than watching 'The Harvey Pekar Story' on TV. Why don't you guys just off yourself already? Your story is over - it's finished. You had your shot at saving the world. Why try to take all the rest of us down with you? Get a life and stop all the whining. Why don't you give us a break with all the depressing details of your failed life - who cares? You are obviously afflicted with personality disorders. It's like a soap opera called the Curtis Shuffle. Can't you find something else to talk about and just leave the poor dead midget-guru alone - he's dead! Can't you get that through your thick skulls? You've got what, ten years of productivity left in your life, and you're going to what, spend it posting messages to a news forum for Judy and Sal to read on Saturday night? Wake up - you've got no news to post that would help anyone understand the mechanics of consciousness. You gave it your best shot and you failed to get enlightened in 5-7 years, so what? All you can say about the guy is that you knew him, or not. You spent all of two or three minutes alone with him face-to-face. I knew the guy better than any of you did, and I loved the guy - at least he had a positive outlook on life. Compared to you depressives, the Marshy was like a bon-fire of inspiration. You guys suck at being spiritual teachers! You are pathetic - get some professional help, before it's too late.. To Kurt Arbukle if you are reading this: Please have an plaque made for Mr. Varma and put it on his grave stone - 'Here lies Mahesh Prasad Varma. He was born in the Light. He lived in the Light. He was Light'. That's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
You live in a cemetery? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: It must get really lonely being you Willy. Joe: A nut in his hut. Thanks for all your support, Joe. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It IS lonely at the top. The view from up here is really nice - on a clear day I can see all the way to Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Superradiance Dome. Sorry, things haven't worked out for you - better luck next time! Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time to Be. There will also be plenty of time to just sit on the porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. http://www.rwilliams.us/myplace/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: Looking at the superficial aspects of a yogi, saint, sadhu, mukti, So how do you know if a person is this special type? In particular what made you conclude that Maharishi was? is like looking at a smudge on a glass and thinking Its all smudge. The same for looking at anyone actually. You seem kind of caught up in the smudges of the posts. Can you express what you see as the totality of Maharishi in your view? How do YOU see him. (Something that is eye-opening, is to watch some who focus on the totality of the person, not the smudge.) Its not MMY who changed, IMO, its we who changed, our views changed. The change occurred for many reasons, growing up, more knowledge, clearer or less clear mind, and quite importantly, our karma. Various people had vastly different interactions with MMY -- IMO that was simple the unwinding of varius individual karma. Someone whose karma was to get treated like shit by their teacher got that. Someone whose karma was to be on great terms always (vernon perhaps) got that. The karma we got relative to MMY helped shape our view. Crappy karma made some see all smudge. Those with karma of great interactions tenededm differently. Or some, regardless of treatment, saw more than smudges -- and they tend to see more than smudges in all people. How did you come to believe in this karma concept? On a scale how certain are you about this belief? I think this belief could be used to rationalize bad behavior like what happened to Judith. The old I'm just the innocent mail man delivering your karma so bend over line. Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Joe, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts and agree with you that Maharishi's basic nature likely hadn't changed over time. It appears evident that it was exactly his nature to promote Guru Dev and the Shankaracharya-ship that got him where it got him -- favor with his guru and influence within the Jyotir Math organization. Coming from an educated, business family and caste with a mercantile mindset it doesn't seem surprising that he organized the way he did with the TMO. As a young man, once he was close to Guru Dev he got to meet influential and wealthy individuals as the personal representative of a powerful man and his organization. Pretty heady stuff. The whole TM thing, in one sense, was just a way of him continuing to do what he'd done before for Guru Dev -- to keep on promoting and organizing. Guru Dev apparently gave people seeking initiation instruction to do japa twice a day and it's easy to see how Maharishi might have modified that basic instruction, realizing that it was something anyone could do, and interpreted or understood his intuition to be a sort of divine revelation and mission given to him by his guru. Dynamism and energy were both defining characteristics of Maharishi; at least that got a lot of press, to whatever degree it was true. And Maharishi wasn't much of a meditator, at least not in practice. It seems clear that meditating all day in a small basement and sitting by Ganges as the sun went down, didn't much suit Maharishi's nature and, for whateve reason, it wasn't long before he went south and got the inspiration to go about doing what he always did best -- promoting and organizing under the rubric of the Shankaracharya. Maharishi's great fortune was to hit the scene with a product and a message that caught the wave of culture change in the West at exactly the right moment in time and in exactly the right way. There were other spiritual teachers that hit the ground around the same time but none with the same numbers as he did. His message totally resonated with the zeitgeist and had a really long ride through the culture. The basic message stills resonates today, even though it's no longer taught or been emphasized by the TMO for decades. Maharishi was a powerful presence, a charismatic personality, and for a while, a very insightful promoter. But his marketing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nabby, eat your heart out!
Rick, I don't live in SF, it's 30 miles away. It's such a bother to go there that I've haven't in ages. And I'm not going out of my way to see some nut who claims that light beings are here to save the world. Sounds a bit too New Whirled Odor to me or maybe TMO. I wouldn't even go if he were in Bizerkeley. Maybe Concord or Walnut Creek but then I would have a tough time keeping from laughing. Rick Archer wrote: Bhairitu, it would be cool if you to go and give us a report. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nabby, eat your heart out! Public Lecture by Benjamin Creme: Sunday, August 8, 2:00 PM Palace of Fine Arts Theater 3301 Lyon Street (at Bay) San Francisco Free Admission John wrote: Bhairitu, I am not aware that BC is here. If the time is right, I might check him out to see what his message is. Do you know where and the time BC is speaking? As of now, I'm thinking of checking out the Hare Krishna festival at the Golden Gate Park this Sunday afternoon. I'll be taking my camera to film the activities. If I have time, I might publish the film clips on YouTube. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Benjamin Creme is in San Francisco this Sunday giving a free talk. I won't be going but maybe John will. They've got ads for him on Green960.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Peel me off the floor, I can't stop laughing. Living Honestly is Barry's sermon of the day? Really? Turn about is fair play. As Barry goes gently into that good night let's remember him for having lived honestly as a person who never made a pretense of being a hypocrite. IMO his speculation about Maharishi's afterlife is just another excuse for him to stick a few more pins into the Maharishi voodoo doll he'll likely take with him into Hell. Geez, talk about attachment. BINGO !
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
It was fun! I remember we were ordered to arrange for a Yogic Flying Competition i Oslo, MMY said that 10 youngsters from India should come and show Yogic Flying. Of course, they never came, so we had to use local flyers that hardly could jump. All the Press was there, so the biggest TV-stations and a lot of dignities - eager to se flying. Not a big success - but afterwards I just had to laugh of the whole thing. The Press laughed to. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Backatcha Marek. I hope others weigh in on this topic since it remains one of great interest to those of us who devoted a chunk of our lives to him and his cause. It was quite clear to me when MMY first began the Siddhis that we had become, to some extent, his lab rats.he tinkered with what we were to do constantly! Few remember but those of us who were first with the sutra's were sitting in chairs. There was no foam. As time went on, with not a soul actually flying, the paranoia and blame began to dominate many of his actions. We were to blame, the scorpion nation UK was to blameSOMEONE was to blame! And that very toxic and caustic cult mentality lives on today with the gestapo-like actions of DEVCO (The Department for the Development of Consciousness), the thought-police of FF who grant and revoke dome badges. That it anyone in FF with even a few neurons firing tolerates this madness blows my mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Joe, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts and agree with you that Maharishi's basic nature likely hadn't changed over time. It appears evident that it was exactly his nature to promote Guru Dev and the Shankaracharya-ship that got him where it got him -- favor with his guru and influence within the Jyotir Math organization. Coming from an educated, business family and caste with a mercantile mindset it doesn't seem surprising that he organized the way he did with the TMO. As a young man, once he was close to Guru Dev he got to meet influential and wealthy individuals as the personal representative of a powerful man and his organization. Pretty heady stuff. The whole TM thing, in one sense, was just a way of him continuing to do what he'd done before for Guru Dev -- to keep on promoting and organizing. Guru Dev apparently gave people seeking initiation instruction to do japa twice a day and it's easy to see how Maharishi might have modified that basic instruction, realizing that it was something anyone could do, and interpreted or understood his intuition to be a sort of divine revelation and mission given to him by his guru. Dynamism and energy were both defining characteristics of Maharishi; at least that got a lot of press, to whatever degree it was true. And Maharishi wasn't much of a meditator, at least not in practice. It seems clear that meditating all day in a small basement and sitting by Ganges as the sun went down, didn't much suit Maharishi's nature and, for whateve reason, it wasn't long before he went south and got the inspiration to go about doing what he always did best -- promoting and organizing under the rubric of the Shankaracharya. Maharishi's great fortune was to hit the scene with a product and a message that caught the wave of culture change in the West at exactly the right moment in time and in exactly the right way. There were other spiritual teachers that hit the ground around the same time but none with the same numbers as he did. His message totally resonated with the zeitgeist and had a really long ride through the culture. The basic message stills resonates today, even though it's no longer taught or been emphasized by the TMO for decades. Maharishi was a powerful presence, a charismatic personality, and for a while, a very insightful promoter. But his marketing strategies failed with the introduction of the TM-siddhis. He was lucky in the beginning, and he was a true believer in himself; he trusted his intuitive schemes to work miracles. When they didn't, he marketed the next ideas to the smaller and smaller groups of people who still believed in idea of miracles. I think he was acting out his promoter, managerial nature within the spiritual teacher context. I enjoyed all my time I had with him and doing all the stuff I got to do within the TMO. And I still meditate, wave the light and all that, and I couldn't tell you exactly why I do, but I just dig it. Finally (I'm doing a little catch-up here, not having posted for a while), I loved reading Judith Borque's book and passed it on right away to my former spouse. We both agreed that it brought back all those feelings we had on those long courses, all the expectancy and social jockeying, how wonderfully spaced out and magical it felt to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prop 8 Hate Loses
Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline- Bork's thesis in the book is that American and more generally Western culture is in a state of decline and that the cause of this decline is modern liberalism and the rise of the New Left. Bork contends that the rough beast of decadence now sends us slouching towards our new home, not Bethlehem but Gomorrah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Right wing organizations and whackadoodle Mormons who baptized dead Jews but can't wrap their heads around gay marriage, got Prop 8 passed in California but today Judge Walker ruled against Prop 8 by upholding The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. In other words you can't have a ballot initiative that lets California or any state deny a citizen his or her rights. Hooray! Today is a victory for same sex marriage. So here's a thought, instead of more Prop 8 ballot initiatives that will likely see vigorous challenges in the courts, why not just get rid of the 14th Amendment altogether? No kidding, this is exactly what several prominent Senators have said they want to do. They want to get rid of the 14th Amendment! But wait! It's not because of of The Gay, it's because of the anchor babies, children born in the USA whose parents are here illegally. Hey, it's a twofer. The 14th Amendment, adopted to insure citizenship for AAs, also says anyone born in the USA is a citizen. Interestingly, both of these stories are in the news at the same time but I haven't seen anyone in the media make this connection. IMO it isn't a coincidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
So what do you now claim to know about the bardo? You just read this shit in a book, even though you only believe in direct experience. You don't believe anything written in books - remember? Or did you just die and are now resurrected? That would be much more interesting. If so, then did one of the Buddha-s come to see you because he wanted your darshan? More likely it was a band of rakshasa-s coming toward you that you took to be a welcoming party! Probably when you realized that your eternally transmigrating bindu (read 'soul') was about to be dragged off to the hell of slashing swords, you shrieked like a little girl and fled down the akashic ladder back into your body. The attending doc probably called staff over to your sputtering body and said, I guess he didn't expire from alcohol poisoning after all. Call respiratory therapy over and take away the code blue cart. Hmmm. Maybe I'll start my first novel with that little vignette. You know: Bitches of the Dead that kinda stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. Hmmm...not sure what karma you're talking about here~~ becoming fabulously wealthy and living to 92? Doesn't sound so bad to me~~I know any number of people that wouldn't mind reaping that kind of karma. When it comes to karma, I tend to think multi- incarnationally, Sal. I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, if there is one. WAY too attached to go gently into that dark night. On another level, one's karma is how one is remembered after one's passing. Hide much of your life for most of your life, and as the truth comes out it's difficult for even those who loved you the most to remember you completely positively. Another reason to just live honestly in the first place in my opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) I was specifically excluding the saints Sal, I know you and Maharishi were selfless! I think getting something of value from any experience is from our own attitude towards learning. All experiences seem like a mixed bag in terms of whether or not that is the best value for your time. TM stuff used to make the cut and now it doesn't. But that doesn't mean that when I was into it there was no value. There was plenty of good value for me in my involvement. Of course as we learn more in life and change our perspective we may change our minds about what those values were. I used to think that the value of all that program was in me gaining enlightenment. Now I think all that rounding just made me really good at waiting in bank lines when I have to. I'm just the happiest little waiter and enjoy it! The value in posting on FFL and reading other people's posts for me is seeing how people's perspective on whose values have changed through the decades. For some a lot, for some not so much. I assume everyone is as happy with their choices as I am with mine Sal On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: You live in a cemetery? Hilarious! Good one, Joe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: It must get really lonely being you Willy. Joe: A nut in his hut. Thanks for all your support, Joe. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It IS lonely at the top. The view from up here is really nice - on a clear day I can see all the way to Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, home of the Superradiance Dome. Sorry, things haven't worked out for you - better luck next time! Anyway, if you ever get out to my place, we will have plenty of time to Be. There will also be plenty of time to just sit on the porch and watch the moon climb over the mountain. http://www.rwilliams.us/myplace/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. We deeply invested in MMY and by default the TMO. For me MMY will always be a profound paradox. I deeply love the guy and I'm also mildly pissed at him. I wish, as many do, I had a more personal relationship with him. I wish I knew the guy himself. But that was not to be. I wish he hadn't hide away in Holland for all those years. I wish we knew all about his various physical ailments. I wish there was more of a human element in his relationship towards us. I don't think that MMY really knew how much people wanted to love him; to know him. He had a lot of goodwill out there that just evaporated away as he isolated himself and the absurdity took over. Paper crowns, anyone? --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi? To: Yahoo Group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 1:01 PM On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: So what do you now claim to know about the bardo? You just read this shit in a book, even though you only believe in direct experience. You don't believe anything written in books - remember? ;-) What fun! (But I think Barry will be boring and say he said if there is one as in I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, *if there is one* ;-) ;-) ) Or did you just die and are now resurrected? That would be much more interesting. If so, then did one of the Buddha-s come to see you because he wanted your darshan? More likely it was a band of rakshasa-s coming toward you that you took to be a welcoming party! Probably when you realized that your eternally transmigrating bindu (read 'soul') was about to be dragged off to the hell of slashing swords, you shrieked like a little girl and fled down the akashic ladder back into your body. The attending doc probably called staff over to your sputtering body and said, I guess he didn't expire from alcohol poisoning after all. Call respiratory therapy over and take away the code blue cart. Hmmm. Maybe I'll start my first novel with that little vignette. You know: Bitches of the Dead that kinda stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. Hmmm...not sure what karma you're talking about here~~ becoming fabulously wealthy and living to 92? Doesn't sound so bad to me~~I know any number of people that wouldn't mind reaping that kind of karma. When it comes to karma, I tend to think multi- incarnationally, Sal. I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, if there is one. WAY too attached to go gently into that dark night. On another level, one's karma is how one is remembered after one's passing. Hide much of your life for most of your life, and as the truth comes out it's difficult for even those who loved you the most to remember you completely positively. Another reason to just live honestly in the first place in my opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. Quite so. I have my little list though. Jimi 'nuff said George Best http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Best Gary Sobers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garfield_Sobers These four have kept me inspired and hopeful: Human grace.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Nice post Tex. Let Vicious Bitchcious choke on his/her/its own vomit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Joe: I hope others weigh in on this topic since it remains one of great interest to those of us who devoted a chunk of our lives to him and his cause... Oh, Jezzus! Talk about your well-poisoners! What a boat-load of crap. This is more depressing than watching 'The Harvey Pekar Story' on TV. Why don't you guys just off yourself already? Your story is over - it's finished. You had your shot at saving the world. Why try to take all the rest of us down with you? Get a life and stop all the whining. Why don't you give us a break with all the depressing details of your failed life - who cares? You are obviously afflicted with personality disorders. It's like a soap opera called the Curtis Shuffle. Can't you find something else to talk about and just leave the poor dead midget-guru alone - he's dead! Can't you get that through your thick skulls? You've got what, ten years of productivity left in your life, and you're going to what, spend it posting messages to a news forum for Judy and Sal to read on Saturday night? Wake up - you've got no news to post that would help anyone understand the mechanics of consciousness. You gave it your best shot and you failed to get enlightened in 5-7 years, so what? All you can say about the guy is that you knew him, or not. You spent all of two or three minutes alone with him face-to-face. I knew the guy better than any of you did, and I loved the guy - at least he had a positive outlook on life. Compared to you depressives, the Marshy was like a bon-fire of inspiration. You guys suck at being spiritual teachers! You are pathetic - get some professional help, before it's too late.. To Kurt Arbukle if you are reading this: Please have an plaque made for Mr. Varma and put it on his grave stone - 'Here lies Mahesh Prasad Varma. He was born in the Light. He lived in the Light. He was Light'. That's all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Nice one Dr. Pete. These descriptions remind me of the kind of posts that came out at the time of his death. I think he know how we felt about him how could he have missed our adoration? I tend to think that he had created a perfect image of himself to project to us and it was too big a jump to really let us into his own humanity. I'm not sure he had that much trust in us. I remember in India he said that he had made a mess out of the business side of the movement because he was a monk and didn't know about these things. It seemed charmingly humble and like he was letting us in a little. But other than a few glimpses he stayed pretty hidden behind his wall of perfection. I believe he liked it that way, he certainly could have had it any way he wanted. We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. We deeply invested in MMY and by default the TMO. For me MMY will always be a profound paradox. I deeply love the guy and I'm also mildly pissed at him. I wish, as many do, I had a more personal relationship with him. I wish I knew the guy himself. But that was not to be. I wish he hadn't hide away in Holland for all those years. I wish we knew all about his various physical ailments. I wish there was more of a human element in his relationship towards us. I don't think that MMY really knew how much people wanted to love him; to know him. He had a lot of goodwill out there that just evaporated away as he isolated himself and the absurdity took over. Paper crowns, anyone? --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi? To: Yahoo Group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 1:01 PM On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Curtis, I generally enjoy reading your posts. That is except between you and Judy because I just don't have time for it all. You do appear to me to disfavor MMY to the inverse extent that you played the TMO game. Like or dislike ... so what? It's endless in this world. However, I don't imagine you'll stay satisfied with playing in the sandbox while you're just waiting to die. As they say in the Zen ... there's still the great matter to look into. If we don't think it's worth bothering with then most likely, as we're dying, we'll end up tormented by What the fuck was it all for? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) I was specifically excluding the saints Sal, I know you and Maharishi were selfless! I think getting something of value from any experience is from our own attitude towards learning. All experiences seem like a mixed bag in terms of whether or not that is the best value for your time. TM stuff used to make the cut and now it doesn't. But that doesn't mean that when I was into it there was no value. There was plenty of good value for me in my involvement. Of course as we learn more in life and change our perspective we may change our minds about what those values were. I used to think that the value of all that program was in me gaining enlightenment. Now I think all that rounding just made me really good at waiting in bank lines when I have to. I'm just the happiest little waiter and enjoy it! The value in posting on FFL and reading other people's posts for me is seeing how people's perspective on whose values have changed through the decades. For some a lot, for some not so much. I assume everyone is as happy with their choices as I am with mine Sal On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Lost dog
Dear Friends, Could those of you with email lists please send this on? And if it sounds like anyone you know, please let them know we have their dog. Thanks. Found: 1 Pug, light-colored, male, with a dark patch on the back of it's neck. Found an hour or so ago in the area of S 2nd St. Anybody know who this dog might belong to? Email mailto:winds...@lisco.comwinds...@lisco.com or call 472-8769.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Lost dog
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick Mays Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Lost dog Dear Friends, Could those of you with email lists please send this on? And if it sounds like anyone you know, please let them know we have their dog. Thanks. Found: 1 Pug, light-colored, male, with a dark patch on the back of it's neck. Found an hour or so ago in the area of S 2nd St. Anybody know who this dog might belong to? Email winds...@lisco.com or call 472-8769. Dog's owner has been found.
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Breaking news
On Monday afternoon, August 2, 2010, Dorothy Drees got her dome badge back, after being barred for over a year from the meditation dome on the campus at Maharishi University. She had been thrown out of the dome for receiving hugs from Ammachi, and for telling the truth when asked by the M.U.M. Development of Consciousness office. Devco office officials had told her that although perhaps hundreds of others who attend the dome also receive hugs from Amma, it would be too much work for them to interview everyone in the dome, so they were throwing out only her because they knew about her. After trying unsuccessfully for almost a year to get a message through to the Raja of North America, Dorothy was finally able to speak to him in person in late June. He was very supportive of Dorothy receiving her badge back, and expedited her request as quickly as possible. Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy!
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: RE: Lost dog: Owner found
From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com She found the owner. From: Dick Mays [mailto:dickm...@lisco.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Lost dog Dear Friends, Could those of you with email lists please send this on? And if it sounds like anyone you know, please let them know we have their dog. Thanks. Found: 1 Pug, light-colored, male, with a dark patch on the back of it's neck. Found an hour or so ago in the area of S 2nd St. Anybody know who this dog might belong to? Email mailto:winds...@lisco.comwinds...@lisco.com or call 472-8769.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! Then the friend hugged her, they felt and exchange of spiritual shakti, and they both were promptly thrown out of the dome! On Monday afternoon, August 2, 2010, Dorothy Drees got her dome badge back, after being barred for over a year from the meditation dome on the campus at Maharishi University. She had been thrown out of the dome for receiving hugs from Ammachi, and for telling the truth when asked by the M.U.M. Development of Consciousness office. Devco office officials had told her that although perhaps hundreds of others who attend the dome also receive hugs from Amma, it would be too much work for them to interview everyone in the dome, so they were throwing out only her because they knew about her. After trying unsuccessfully for almost a year to get a message through to the Raja of North America, Dorothy was finally able to speak to him in person in late June. He was very supportive of Dorothy receiving her badge back, and expedited her request as quickly as possible. Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
Why would she try so hard when the very fact that she'd been banned was proof enough that the course office was (peopled as it has been all these years by sold-outs whose service to the movement has presumably garnered their being perfect exponents of all that is good about the effects of TM)still unimproved in their outlook towards other systems, nay, not even unimproved but rather hardened and dried into a shriveled glued-on sneering mask of disdain towards sinners. Is she stupid or just needing more abuse as did I until finally some last straw hit Humpy the Brokeback Camel? I mean really -- did anyone sign up for a technique that left everyone still with a pissant heart, a blobby body ala Bev, the morality of Heg, and the puffery of the rajas? Why did she want back into the dome with suchlike not only being part of the movement but nowadays nearly all it presents? Boy, if I wasn't just such a dupe, I'd be launching a three pound rock her way. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Monday afternoon, August 2, 2010, Dorothy Drees got her dome badge back, after being barred for over a year from the meditation dome on the campus at Maharishi University. She had been thrown out of the dome for receiving hugs from Ammachi, and for telling the truth when asked by the M.U.M. Development of Consciousness office. Devco office officials had told her that although perhaps hundreds of others who attend the dome also receive hugs from Amma, it would be too much work for them to interview everyone in the dome, so they were throwing out only her because they knew about her. After trying unsuccessfully for almost a year to get a message through to the Raja of North America, Dorothy was finally able to speak to him in person in late June. He was very supportive of Dorothy receiving her badge back, and expedited her request as quickly as possible. Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
(BTW if you do see me on my deathbed would you mind hooking me up with the Huxley exit strategy? I'm sure a bit of psychedelics at the end will fill in any gaps I may have missed along the way!) Quite funny. But there is no *way*. And by the way, you'll have to email Mr. Joe Entheogenic off-line to get a taste of utopia. He's gonna meet up with Tex next week to arm wrestle for Jesu, joy of man' ascending. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Curtis, I generally enjoy reading your posts. Thanks, much appreciated. Back atcha brother.
[FairfieldLife] My former incarnations
While awaiting Barium's Bardo revelations, I began to consider my former incarnations here on the wild planet. Watching it is just so primal. I take great pride in my lowly origins, even lower than the ordinary maggot. As a former shit-eating larva, I do in fact claim a super-rapid ascent through the evolutionary strata of complex organisms. I have done extensive past-life research into my prior odious incarnations and have found this astounding truth. Starting from my introduction into the earth realm as a fecal larva, I transformed into an extremely large and irritating fly, able to viciously bite large sweat-emitting mammals. This resulted in my rather rapid demise from a vigorous fly swat. Next incarnation life as grain-devouring rodent. It was soon dispelled by suffocating poison - terribly painful but quickly liberating. After that I launched deeper into the mammalian realm as a ferocious boar, enabling me to recognize and choose to identify as a predator rather than as helpless prey. Next came a wonderfully deceptive incarnation as a jackal - the key incarnation that caused me to become human. As I remember it, I was tearing out the entrails of a large mammal that our pack had felled. The animal wasn't dead yet and when it looked over in shock, horror and agony at me eating it alive, I looked into its eyes and saw myself - not literally but rather another desperately entombed intelligence, just like myself, the jackal. This caused me to suddenly generate the genuine idea oh, it's just like me, and this in spite of the fact that the other animal looked nothing like me. That was it - birth of an idea unbound by particularity and able to appreciate something authentically generalized and universal. In other words, I recognized a universal - the defining characteristic of our human nature. After this pivotal event, I took a quick series of human incarnations, lowly and serf-like at first but later more confidant and assertive. From plebeian to patrician was just a couple of incarnations and then wham, I was reborn into 20th century Europe as a von Graf. Next, of course, I came here into the new world you know so I could learn to relate to the little people Now my Jyotish chart shows that I'll be reborn into the deva realms after death, obviously because I still can't tell the difference between purusha and the three guna-s. However, I don't feel so bad because I figure I'll see everybody else here on FFL in that land of bliss, except Barry, since we were all deceived by Mahesh, except him. So aren't you really impressed at my rapid evolution? Maybe I should try and get promoted to a local, divinized logos like the Mormons claim (they say it is the next step). Maybe I could even get twenty dark-eyed virgins, like the sheiks of Arabi. Hmm, ya think? Yep, Emptybill's a-goin' higher. So, choochee coo, you buncha mantra-bound meditators.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Damn Curtis! That might be your best post ever! That mirrors my own perspective perfectly but I could never say it as succinctly as you. Bravo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Curtis, I generally enjoy reading your posts. Thanks, much appreciated. Back atcha brother. That is except between you and Judy because I just don't have time for it all. Who does? Even Judy and I can only take so much! You do appear to me to disfavor MMY to the inverse extent that you played the TMO game. Like or dislike ... so what? It's endless in this world. Yeah, I do see in him in an almost reverse way now as I did in the movement, but the affection is still there. Of course growing older has helped. However, I don't imagine you'll stay satisfied with playing in the sandbox while you're just waiting to die. I'm not sure what this refers to? What we used to call relative life in the movement? As they say in the Zen ... there's still the great matter to look into. Or not. I'm not asking the types of questions I did whey I was with Maharishi. I now longer believe that the meaning of life is more than an artifact of misuse of language. I believe that we all create our own meanings and mine doesn't include spirituality. What so you mean by great matter and how do you deal with it? If we don't think it's worth bothering with then most likely, as we're dying, we'll end up tormented by What the fuck was it all for? I'm not sure this is a valid assumption. I know what my own life is for. I don't know what all life is for, but again I view this as more of a misuse of language than a serious question. Life doesn't need an answer for me. Maybe I'll get more philosophical again if I make it to the latter decades. But for now the stuff I have seen that people have used as answers just seem kind of lame to me. That is only a problem if my identity is tied up in needing to answer such a question. I get my depth of life in other areas, love between family and friends and my educational and emotional interactions with my various audiences that range from Alzheimer patients to all sorts of adults and gifted kids. I am always striving to express more of my self into my arts. That has replaced what I used to view as spiritual development. It perhaps IS my spiritual development. I find it challenging enough to bring out the best in me and forces me to learn more each day. FFL is very helpful for making sure I write regularly. When I am not writing shows it helps keep my fingers on the keys, attempting to express myself better. (BTW if you do see me on my deathbed would you mind hooking me up with the Huxley exit strategy? I'm sure a bit of psychedelics at the end will fill in any gaps I may have missed along the way!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) I was specifically excluding the saints Sal, I know you and Maharishi were selfless! I think getting something of value from any experience is from our own attitude towards learning. All experiences seem like a mixed bag in terms of whether or not that is the best value for your time. TM stuff used to make the cut and now it doesn't. But that doesn't mean that when I was into it there was no value. There was plenty of good value for me in my involvement. Of course as we learn more in life and change our perspective we may change our minds about what those values were. I used to think that the value of all that program was in me gaining enlightenment. Now I think all that rounding just made me really good at waiting in bank lines when I have to. I'm just the happiest little waiter and enjoy it! The value in posting on FFL and reading other people's posts for me is seeing how people's perspective on whose values have changed through the decades. For some a lot, for some not so much. I assume everyone is as happy with their choices as I am with mine Sal On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. Speak for yer self, Doc. You do not speak for me. I have met people who make Maharishi look like the amateur he was. I am not nearly as impressed with the guy as you and some others here seem to be. On the bell curve of humans one can call spiritual teachers, Maharishi was IMO median at best, more likely on the downslope.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: So what do you now claim to know about the bardo? You just read this shit in a book, even though you only believe in direct experience. You don't believe anything written in books - remember? ;-) What fun! (But I think Barry will be boring and say he said if there is one as in I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, *if there is one* ;-) ;-) ) Barry will stay the fuck out of it, having said everything he wanted to say in his first post. Thoreau, dudes. Simplify, simplify, simplify. :-) Or did you just die and are now resurrected? That would be much more interesting. If so, then did one of the Buddha-s come to see you because he wanted your darshan? More likely it was a band of rakshasa-s coming toward you that you took to be a welcoming party! Probably when you realized that your eternally transmigrating bindu (read 'soul') was about to be dragged off to the hell of slashing swords, you shrieked like a little girl and fled down the akashic ladder back into your body. The attending doc probably called staff over to your sputtering body and said, I guess he didn't expire from alcohol poisoning after all. Call respiratory therapy over and take away the code blue cart. Hmmm. Maybe I'll start my first novel with that little vignette. You know: Bitches of the Dead that kinda stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. Hmmm...not sure what karma you're talking about here~~ becoming fabulously wealthy and living to 92? Doesn't sound so bad to me~~I know any number of people that wouldn't mind reaping that kind of karma. When it comes to karma, I tend to think multi- incarnationally, Sal. I don't see Maharishi as having had a particularly pleasant trip through the Bardo, or a particularly pleasant afterlife, if there is one. WAY too attached to go gently into that dark night. On another level, one's karma is how one is remembered after one's passing. Hide much of your life for most of your life, and as the truth comes out it's difficult for even those who loved you the most to remember you completely positively. Another reason to just live honestly in the first place in my opinion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
Who's the Raja of North America? John, Kingsley? Because this is the kind of stuff we need to see more of. Screw Bevan and his evil minions! --- On Thu, 8/5/10, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 2:47 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! Then the friend hugged her, they felt and exchange of spiritual shakti, and they both were promptly thrown out of the dome! On Monday afternoon, August 2, 2010, Dorothy Drees got her dome badge back, after being barred for over a year from the meditation dome on the campus at Maharishi University. She had been thrown out of the dome for receiving hugs from Ammachi, and for telling the truth when asked by the M.U.M. Development of Consciousness office. Devco office officials had told her that although perhaps hundreds of others who attend the dome also receive hugs from Amma, it would be too much work for them to interview everyone in the dome, so they were throwing out only her because they knew about her. After trying unsuccessfully for almost a year to get a message through to the Raja of North America, Dorothy was finally able to speak to him in person in late June. He was very supportive of Dorothy receiving her badge back, and expedited her request as quickly as possible. Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news Who's the Raja of North America? John, Kingsley? Because this is the kind of stuff we need to see more of. Screw Bevan and his evil minions! I'm the Raja of North America, but I work behind the scene.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield Breaking news
On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening’s program. Did she bring her ruby slippers with her? Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, ”I didn’t kiss anybody’s a##!!” To which her friend replied, ”I knew you wouldn’t, Dorothy!” Wow, that's some tough-talking broad~~ I'm impressed!! Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Did she bring her ruby slippers with her? Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! Wow, that's some tough-talking broad~~ I'm impressed!! Babe is definitely not in Kansas any more. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- On Thu, 8/5/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 6:35 PM From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news Who's the Raja of North America? John, Kingsley? Because this is the kind of stuff we need to see more of. Screw Bevan and his evil minions!I’m the Raja of North America, but I work behind the scene.I am the god of HELL FIRE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
Who the heck is Dorothy Drees and of what import is she, unless only here to illustrate the supreme benevolence of the Golden Dome administrators? Inquiring Minds want to know... Must there not be a dozen more of the Drees of the world who had been kicked out of the Molding Dome and what of their fate? Perhaps she is the first of many to come? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Monday afternoon, August 2, 2010, Dorothy Drees got her dome badge back, after being barred for over a year from the meditation dome on the campus at Maharishi University. She had been thrown out of the dome for receiving hugs from Ammachi, and for telling the truth when asked by the M.U.M. Development of Consciousness office. Devco office officials had told her that although perhaps hundreds of others who attend the dome also receive hugs from Amma, it would be too much work for them to interview everyone in the dome, so they were throwing out only her because they knew about her. After trying unsuccessfully for almost a year to get a message through to the Raja of North America, Dorothy was finally able to speak to him in person in late June. He was very supportive of Dorothy receiving her badge back, and expedited her request as quickly as possible. Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: It's our way of providing the opportunity for others to work off their karma by saying things about us and making fun of our spiritual path - it's a cleansing type of spiritual work. I am not sure if your are joking, but that is what I have always figured you were doing. Despite what others say, its apparent to me that you are not loony However, by getting people to speak badly of you, they take on your karma. Good for you, not so good for them. That's an interesting hypothosis. I mean this puts a different pespective on things. As I said before, I often perceive wisdom and kindness. But on the other side, there is often meaness, crudeness, toxicity. Gotta try to sort it out. Give me something new to do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Right, 'Bhairitu', you're posting under a pseudonym, but I'm the one that is scared. Point, Willytex
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
and yet he does post under his real identity, or at least everyone knows who he is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: ...and that electricity-less hut in the country. A nut in his hut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: I belong to a very, very minor Hindu sect whose sadhana includes blatant displays of inappropriateness in public. azgrey: So your coitus with prairie dogs take place in public? See, Ray, it works almost every time! Now they want to get REALLY pesonal. Don't you just hate those Hindu sects! I guess we all have our prejudices, but it's not that often that they are expressed so blatantly on a spiritual discussion forum like this... It must get really lonely being you Willy. Oh well, at least you have Seroquel. I'm just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Thus Spake Pall(-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: There's been a lot said that Maharishi didn't change. What he was with Guru Dev he was later on. I agree. The Indian merchant class makes the guys who brought down the world economy with their over leveraged shenanigans look like a bunch of honor scouts. It's been said repeatedly that it all came apart when the sidhis were introduced. It's been said that Maharishi had a good marketing scheme going until the sidhis came out. The fact is, Maharishi's Merv wave sputtered out. There were just so many people drawn to TM. Initiations for money were way down and would stay way down. Maharishi might have developed the sidhis to bring us to the next step, to jump start us to enlightenment. Then again, $5,000 or more for the preparatory courses then the 8 weeks of in residence sidhi instructions then $3,000 for CIC (when I learned the sidhis) had a lot more punch to the pocketbook than part of a hundred dollars/pounds/marks going to the TMO for instruction in TM. The sidhis were a matter of shear economic necessity if Maharishi al. were going to live in the style they'd become accustomed to. The $5,000 or whatever you now pay for CIC amazingly does not include room and board for the flying block nor did it include, when I went on the flying block, the price of the mandala books and tapes. It's that much all about money. It's always been about money. Each new craziness Maharishi brought out just so happened to also be a source of income for the TMO. Build an official Maharishi vastu house, pay a cut to the TMO. It was ever about money. I practice what I was taught and achieve great benefit from it but hey, you ought to throw a little back at those who are shoveling money at you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. If he was this ordinary, then why are you talking about him, and the fruits of his actions daily for the last 16 years. (or however long it's been)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
What's with this DEVCO gestapo in FF? And what's with all the fear they seem to generate as a result of their investigations of peoples private lives? I would like to think that the vast majority of meditators in the TM community in FF would rise up say we reject this ridiculous behavior. Does anyone do that or is the fear too tangible to allow that? Curtis, lets you and I go to FF for a month and kick us some DEVCO butt! (It wouldn't be hard brother, from what I hear.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Did she bring her ruby slippers with her? Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! Wow, that's some tough-talking broad~~ I'm impressed!! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: All you can say about the guy is that you knew him, or not. You spent all of two or three minutes alone with him face-to-face. I knew the guy better than any of you did, and I loved the guy - at least he had a positive outlook on life. Compared to you depressives, the Marshy was like a bon-fire of inspiration. To Kurt Arbukle if you are reading this: Please have an plaque made for Mr. Varma and put it on his grave stone - 'Here lies Mahesh Prasad Varma. He was born in the Light. He lived in the Light. He was Light'. Ok, that's it. I'm liking Richard's posts more and more.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Oh well, at least you have Seroquel. Can you send me one of yours? azgrey: Boy, you *are* a Texan aren't you? See, Ray, it works almost every time!
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: I've posted over 6,000 messages since 1998 on Google Groups and Yahoo! Groups in order to help people, but it has been really slow going lately, except for Joe - he really wants some help, apparently. Get it out Joe! Richard, seriously, you're riding that as.., I mean donkey too hard. Give him rest. It's not all about Joe. Okay?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Joe wrote: What's with this DEVCO gestapo in FF? And what's with all the fear they seem to generate as a result of their investigations of peoples private lives? I would like to think that the vast majority of meditators in the TM community in FF would rise up say we reject this ridiculous behavior. Does anyone do that or is the fear too tangible to allow that? Curtis, lets you and I go to FF for a month and kick us some DEVCO butt! (It wouldn't be hard brother, from what I hear.) What's DEVCO again? I've sometimes thought it would be fun to drive through Vedic City, radio blasting. Joe, the vast majority of meditators here in FF rejected the ridiculousness of the TMO years ago (I personally didn't wait to get officially kicked out, I left before they could.) and have almost zero to do with it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Ray, I'd say you're pretty invested in your view of things and seeing people in a certain way. Sort of troubles you, it seems, for someone to offer a contrary opinion. Why might that be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. If he was this ordinary, then why are you talking about him, and the fruits of his actions daily for the last 16 years. (or however long it's been)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: The second point about not allowing people in the room who disagreed reveals how flimsily the whole thing was held together intellectually. You had to be on board and play along. That's fine. That's a fair criticism, and for the record, I am unattached as far as having a spitual teacher. But isn't what you say above pretty much true for just about any student teacher relationship, maybe outside of a college classroom? The student presents himself to the teacher to learn. If you don't have confidence in the teacher then you bail. Right? Isn't that how it works?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Ok, that's it. I'm liking Richard's posts more and more. I'm not understanding all the dissing Willie's getting, however. Willie makes a lot of sense to me. I don't agree with him completely, but he makes a lot of sense. Case in point, I think Maharishi was an important man. Not a man whose importance will live more than a decade after his passing, but for his time, an important man. I disagree with Willie that we should stop ragging on Maharishi. Lord knows he did enough strangeness, including running full page ads in the Denver Post to solve Denver's problems for only a couple million dollars per sidha per year. Though I disagree with Willie on many points, I find his arguments cogent and compelling.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pranamoocher Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news Who the heck is Dorothy Drees and of what import is she, unless only here to illustrate the supreme benevolence of the Golden Dome administrators? Inquiring Minds want to know... Must there not be a dozen more of the Drees of the world who had been kicked out of the Molding Dome and what of their fate? Perhaps she is the first of many to come? Reportedly, Hagelin is pushing to get people back who've been ousted for visiting saints, and to prevent more from being ousted. She was just especially persistent.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
DEVCO is the (get this) The Department for the Development of Consciousness. They're the folks who grant and revoke dome badges. The TM gestapo branch. The friendly folks who do things like drive all the way to Chicago to write down the license plate numbers of FF people who go to see Amma. If there isn't a better indicator of the failure of the current TMO I don't know what it is. (OK, yes I do. Raja-ism.) That the TMO needs this kind of asshole-ism to keep the dogs at heel speaks volumes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Joe wrote: What's with this DEVCO gestapo in FF? And what's with all the fear they seem to generate as a result of their investigations of peoples private lives? I would like to think that the vast majority of meditators in the TM community in FF would rise up say we reject this ridiculous behavior. Does anyone do that or is the fear too tangible to allow that? Curtis, lets you and I go to FF for a month and kick us some DEVCO butt! (It wouldn't be hard brother, from what I hear.) What's DEVCO again? I've sometimes thought it would be fun to drive through Vedic City, radio blasting. Joe, the vast majority of meditators here in FF rejected the ridiculousness of the TMO years ago (I personally didn't wait to get officially kicked out, I left before they could.) and have almost zero to do with it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Friends and strangers alike were thrilled to welcome Dorothy back to the dome when she arrived for Monday evening's program. Upon arriving in the dome shoe room, Dorothy reportedly said to one friend, I didn't kiss anybody's a##!! To which her friend replied, I knew you wouldn't, Dorothy! Notice she didn't say, I didn't kiss anyone's crownYea, what wasn't said
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news What's DEVCO again? The Department for the Development of Consciousness - the people who grant and revoke dome badges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Boy, if I wasn't just such a dupe, I'd be launching a three pound rock her way. I guess that's an improvement Edg, because you are usually recommending some form of punitive action, usually worse than this. I love ya, but, violence is usually a part of your solution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Breaking news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Babe is definitely not in Kansas any more. No, they put lipstick on Babe, and she moved up north.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The second point about not allowing people in the room who disagreed reveals how flimsily the whole thing was held together intellectually. You had to be on board and play along. That's fine. That's a fair criticism, and for the record, I am unattached as far as having a spitual teacher. But isn't what you say above pretty much true for just about any student teacher relationship, maybe outside of a college classroom? The student presents himself to the teacher to learn. If you don't have confidence in the teacher then you bail. Right? Isn't that how it works? My first personal exposure to Maharishi was at his university at the symposiums he set up. In that atmosphere his lack of ease in an intellectual setting was obvious. He could only return to his endless intro lecture and wouldn't answer questions in detail, allowing for no follow up by the academics he had invited. It was a sham as a meeting of minds IMO. But you may be right about spiritual teachers. I don't have any experience with many other than Maharishi. For any other teacher I require intellectual accessibility. I left a martial arts dojo when the teacher seemed too entrenched to even discuss other styles. That said I'll bet if you hang with the Donald you get the same deal. But guys like him don't usually posture themselves as intellectuals. You know what you are getting upfront.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
Richard, have you seen those master fisherman with a line with multiple hooks and a fish on each onecan I get an amen on that? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Oh well, at least you have Seroquel. Can you send me one of yours? azgrey: Boy, you *are* a Texan aren't you? See, Ray, it works almost every time!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Can you provide an example? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Ray, I'd say you're pretty invested in your view of things and seeing people in a certain way. Sort of troubles you, it seems, for someone to offer a contrary opinion. Why might that be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Bottom line for me is that I consider him a very, very, very, VERY ordinary person who overstepped his capabilities and reaped the karma of doing so. If he was this ordinary, then why are you talking about him, and the fruits of his actions daily for the last 16 years. (or however long it's been)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: That said I'll bet if you hang with the Donald you get the same deal. But guys like him don't usually posture themselves as intellectuals. You know what you are getting upfront. I'm not a celebrity watcher, but I enjoy the ocassional write ups on Ivanka. Don't know why, but I like to see what she is doing. Kind of like she is set on making her mark.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
If we don't think it's worth bothering with then most likely, as we're dying, we'll end up tormented by What the fuck was it all for? TurquoiseB: ...if you spend your last moments on this rock thinkin' What the fuck was it all for? you've wasted your life far more than I have. But you said it was all about the 'Mystery' Turq, the Mystery! The mystery of 'enlightenment'. Now you're saying that the Mystery 'wasted your life'? You're not making any sense. It has already been noted that you are depressed, but was you whole life been wasted? Go figure. For the mystic, the mystery rules. You try your best to surf it and stay on the board, not to understand it. Subject: Focussing on Core Competencies Author: TurquoiseB Forum: Yahoo! Groups FairfieldLife Date: August 13, 2005 http://preview.tinyurl.com/298tdwd I know from personal experience that enlightenment exists. I know that it comes and goes, seemingly without any regard to anything I do or wish... Subject: Re: On Highest Path-ism From: Uncle Tantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: July 12, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2cqjyxe
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That said I'll bet if you hang with the Donald you get the same deal. But guys like him don't usually posture themselves as intellectuals. You know what you are getting upfront. I'm not a celebrity watcher, but I enjoy the ocassional write ups on Ivanka. Don't know why, but I like to see what she is doing. Kind of like she is set on making her mark. She speaks with the same bracing clarity her dad has. They both sound so sober. (Which of course they are.) Conquer the world types. My favorite story about Donald comes from his book How To Be Rich. When he was going bankrupt from all his debt he had this thought: Trump passed by a beggar on the street one day and paused, thinking, This guy is 9.2 billion dollars richer than I am. He showed an amazing capacity to keep believing, and sure enough, he came out on top again. Here are a couple of gems I found looking for that quote: What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate. Donald Trump With out passion you dont have energy, with out energy you have nothing. Donald Trump You have to think anyway, so why not think big? Donald Trump I'll take these over the body parts sutras any day!
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
Steve, When a specter takes amphetamine, it feels powerful and struts around like a rakshasa. When a specter takes an entheogen, it feels godlike and commanding. It acts like an asura, determined to interject anywhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Joe, now I don't want to fall into the Judy trap, but if I am not mistaken, the tartster was talking with Mr. Williams, and I guess was being more conciliatory than you deemed appropriate. And then you resorted to some silly name calling. As conversations go here, it was a relatively private one. Why did you feel the need to intrude? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh really? You're not invested in your own view of things? You don't see things in a certain way? Are you human Ray? Or are you of the belief that we should just all button ourselves up and only say sweet things? Curtis referred to this before when he mentioned the awkward feelings when anyone at a TTC or any other course got on the mic and did anything other than cheerlead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: Looking at the superficial aspects of a yogi, saint, sadhu, mukti, So how do you know if a person is this special type? In particular what made you conclude that Maharishi was? I didn't say he was. See below. The principal applies to all. Its just more clear with the above types. Some feel he is in that class others not. Me I am not so much into labels. is like looking at a smudge on a glass and thinking Its all smudge. The same for looking at anyone actually. You seem kind of caught up in the smudges of the posts. I don't follow. Can you express what you see as the totality of Maharishi in your view? How do YOU see him. I see him as Atman. As I see everyone -- at least in my clearer moments. Atman no better than Atman within anyone else. And as I have posted before, I think he had some highly cranked up Prarabdha karma. Some vedic, humanitarian, some personal, some sexual, some financial. (Something that is eye-opening, is to watch some who focus on the totality of the person, not the smudge.) Its not MMY who changed, IMO, its we who changed, our views changed. The change occurred for many reasons, growing up, more knowledge, clearer or less clear mind, and quite importantly, our karma. Various people had vastly different interactions with MMY -- IMO that was simple the unwinding of various individual karma. Someone whose karma was to get treated like shit by their teacher got that. Someone whose karma was to be on great terms always (vernon perhaps) got that. The karma we got relative to MMY helped shape our view. Crappy karma made some see all smudge. Those with karma of great interactions tend to see him differently. Or some, regardless of treatment, saw more than smudges -- and they tend to see more than smudges in all people. How did you come to believe in this karma concept? On a scale how certain are you about this belief? 9 out of 10. I think this belief could be used to rationalize bad behavior like what happened to Judith. The old I'm just the innocent mail man delivering your karma so bend over line. First, I don't believe many actual think that way. People are engaged in who they are, doing what they do. And interactions are not one way. People make choices (as to that process, its another discussion.) But to follow your hypothetical, if someone says that, what sort of person bends over? As to Judith, I have not read the book -- but I thought she was in love with MMY -- and to this days feel positively about him. Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. Knowing about someone is quite different from being actively judgmental. I am not that interested in judgments. They only reflect who I am, not who he was. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. Then why are you complaining, if you are? (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. Then, if everyone had personal ambitions, why (not from you per se) the whining about him and the movement. Rational healthy people stayed while they got something out of it, and left when they didn't. Some apparently get something out it still today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Joe, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts and agree with you that Maharishi's basic nature likely hadn't changed over time. It appears evident that it was exactly his nature to promote Guru Dev and the Shankaracharya-ship that got him where it got him -- favor with his guru and influence within the Jyotir Math organization. Coming from an educated, business family and caste with a mercantile mindset it doesn't seem surprising that he organized the way he did with the TMO. As a young man, once he was close to Guru Dev he got to meet influential and wealthy individuals as the personal representative of a powerful man and his organization. Pretty heady stuff. The whole TM thing, in one sense, was just a way of him continuing to do what he'd done before for Guru Dev -- to keep on promoting and organizing. Guru Dev apparently gave people seeking
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Strength of the Donald... Strength of the Donald... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That said I'll bet if you hang with the Donald you get the same deal. But guys like him don't usually posture themselves as intellectuals. You know what you are getting upfront. I'm not a celebrity watcher, but I enjoy the ocassional write ups on Ivanka. Don't know why, but I like to see what she is doing. Kind of like she is set on making her mark. She speaks with the same bracing clarity her dad has. They both sound so sober. (Which of course they are.) Conquer the world types. My favorite story about Donald comes from his book How To Be Rich. When he was going bankrupt from all his debt he had this thought: Trump passed by a beggar on the street one day and paused, thinking, This guy is 9.2 billion dollars richer than I am. He showed an amazing capacity to keep believing, and sure enough, he came out on top again. Here are a couple of gems I found looking for that quote: What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate. Donald Trump With out passion you dont have energy, with out energy you have nothing. Donald Trump You have to think anyway, so why not think big? Donald Trump I'll take these over the body parts sutras any day!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: Strength of the Donald... Strength of the Donald... Excellent, I've been using lightness of hair comb-over but half the time I end up doing sunyama on Jerry Jarvis by mistake. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That said I'll bet if you hang with the Donald you get the same deal. But guys like him don't usually posture themselves as intellectuals. You know what you are getting upfront. I'm not a celebrity watcher, but I enjoy the ocassional write ups on Ivanka. Don't know why, but I like to see what she is doing. Kind of like she is set on making her mark. She speaks with the same bracing clarity her dad has. They both sound so sober. (Which of course they are.) Conquer the world types. My favorite story about Donald comes from his book How To Be Rich. When he was going bankrupt from all his debt he had this thought: Trump passed by a beggar on the street one day and paused, thinking, This guy is 9.2 billion dollars richer than I am. He showed an amazing capacity to keep believing, and sure enough, he came out on top again. Here are a couple of gems I found looking for that quote: What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate. Donald Trump With out passion you dont have energy, with out energy you have nothing. Donald Trump You have to think anyway, so why not think big? Donald Trump I'll take these over the body parts sutras any day!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. In what way. He was a teacher, he was a mentor for some, a friend for some. Are you seeing it more complicated than that? Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. Well, I have never experienced anyone like anyone. Its not a strong qualifier for me. We deeply invested in MMY and by default the TMO. For me MMY will always be a profound paradox. Why? Atman and karma (Prarabdah -- lesh avidya. the later is stronger and more complex than in some.) What eles is there to know? And, IMO, part of his approach to ripping away boundaries was to do just that -- start a project, get every one totally dedicated, rip it away, etc. He had no qualms about blowing peoples minds, literally -- though I do not see him as actively being a crazy saint. He just didn't give a S how you or I saw. He did what he did -- as his karma and tendencies unfolded. And much of that did literally blow his followers minds -- to good effect -- and he was good with that, IMO. I deeply love the guy and I'm also mildly pissed at him. Why pissed? What did you not get from him. Just let it go. I wish, as many do, I had a more personal relationship with him. My view, which I took from him, is he was Atman -- the smudges don't matter a hoot. Why get hung up on, or waste time on them. I wish I knew the guy himself. But that was not to be. I wish he hadn't hide away in Holland for all those years. I wish we knew all about his various physical ailments. I wish there was more of a human element in his relationship towards us. I don't think that MMY really knew how much people wanted to love him; to know him. He had a lot of goodwill out there that just evaporated away as he isolated himself and the absurdity took over. Paper crowns, anyone? I sense some genuine sense of loss and missed opportunities. I wish you the best in healing those. But he gave you Atman. What else do you want? (What else do you deserve is another questions, but that's all smudges within smudges.) --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi? To: Yahoo Group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 1:01 PM On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Right, 'Bhairitu', you're posting under a pseudonym, but I'm the one that is scared. Point, Willytex Nothing wrong with using handles and probably wise when it comes to FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Wow Emptybill. Your just so damn high and superior. What's a lowly person like me to do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Dudette, it that it? I got more reflection about life from my daughter when she was 13. But then again her mom died when she was six so she never let anyone bullshit her again. But immortals don't have to consider such petty things. My mistake was to refer to it as if you might comprehend it. If all you could get out of it was ... Puritan Guilt Ethic ... then I've just wasted some of this remaining lifetime, short as it is, talking with you. I apologize for the inconvenience of such thoughts. Enjoy your life and the Band. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Curtis, I generally enjoy reading your posts. That is except between you and Judy because I just don't have time for it all. You do appear to me to disfavor MMY to the inverse extent that you played the TMO game. Like or dislike ... so what? It's endless in this world. However, I don't imagine you'll stay satisfied with playing in the sandbox while you're just waiting to die. As they say in the Zen ... there's still the great matter to look into. If we don't think it's worth bothering with then most likely, as we're dying, we'll end up tormented by What the fuck was it all for? Ick. I have to go throw up now. The entire pathway to enlightenment, reduced to the level of the Puritan Guilt Ethic. I may have to take a shower. :-) Seriously, dude...if you spend your last moments on this rock thinkin' What the fuck was it all for? you've wasted your life far more than I have. As for playing in the sandbox, I prefer to play in the band. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fjZS6GqbwA
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi?
Jesus Fart, you could say the same of Hitler if he was your guru. So you give your Guru a pass, no matter what his actions, is that what you're telling us? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: We all deeply care about who MMY was for us. In what way. He was a teacher, he was a mentor for some, a friend for some. Are you seeing it more complicated than that? Love him, hate him or anything in between we've never experienced anybody like this. Well, I have never experienced anyone like anyone. Its not a strong qualifier for me. We deeply invested in MMY and by default the TMO. For me MMY will always be a profound paradox. Why? Atman and karma (Prarabdah -- lesh avidya. the later is stronger and more complex than in some.) What eles is there to know? And, IMO, part of his approach to ripping away boundaries was to do just that -- start a project, get every one totally dedicated, rip it away, etc. He had no qualms about blowing peoples minds, literally -- though I do not see him as actively being a crazy saint. He just didn't give a S how you or I saw. He did what he did -- as his karma and tendencies unfolded. And much of that did literally blow his followers minds -- to good effect -- and he was good with that, IMO. I deeply love the guy and I'm also mildly pissed at him. Why pissed? What did you not get from him. Just let it go. I wish, as many do, I had a more personal relationship with him. My view, which I took from him, is he was Atman -- the smudges don't matter a hoot. Why get hung up on, or waste time on them. I wish I knew the guy himself. But that was not to be. I wish he hadn't hide away in Holland for all those years. I wish we knew all about his various physical ailments. I wish there was more of a human element in his relationship towards us. I don't think that MMY really knew how much people wanted to love him; to know him. He had a lot of goodwill out there that just evaporated away as he isolated himself and the absurdity took over. Paper crowns, anyone? I sense some genuine sense of loss and missed opportunities. I wish you the best in healing those. But he gave you Atman. What else do you want? (What else do you deserve is another questions, but that's all smudges within smudges.) --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do YOU view Maharishi? To: Yahoo Group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 1:01 PM On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:32 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Who cares who or what MMY was? I do for one. He was an interesting guy. I agree~~fascinating. Which is one reason we're all still gabbing away about him. The sole question of import was, IMO, did you get something of value in your life, or did you not. If not, why did you stick around. That seems like a pretty low bar. I get something out of every experience I have. It may very well be a low bar, but it's usually the one I use as well. :) Seriously, I think the words of value are the operative ones here. (I tend to think many stayed around for ego-driven reasons -- wanting to be a part of something fantastic, earth shaking, transformational (as in I was there as opposed to selflessly lending a helping hand). I think you are being kind of hard on movement people and seeing all smudge. We all had mixed motivations but certainly we were chasing our own personal enlightenment. I never met anyone who could meet the standard of selflessly lending a helping hand. I did, Curtis~~totally selflessly. So now you've met one. :) Sal Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
