[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Aah..the Skeptic Guru's back with vengeance and he packs a punch. All Gurus are charlatans, all seekers are idiots. Hail to the Skeptic Guru, the Drucker Drudgery Dumbness is so mind-numbing, his word is the Skeptic veda, listen to the pearls of his wisdom...LOL.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: haven't And never will. Might interfere with the truth, which he seems to define as What I believe, based on stuff my guru(s) told me. What a wanker. No wonder gurus get away with the things they do...their students are idiots. But at least his tantrum below shows why he gets his buttons pushed by anonymous posters. He wants to be able to yell at them, to (as I suggested) force them to listen to him as he wreaks his revenge on them for saying some- thing that isn't *his* version of truth. Classic cult apologist in action. They're like PR flunkies, only instead of getting paid to spin criticism of their guru, they pay for the privilege. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:44 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Dear Anonymous, I understand that you feel that you were exploited at Livingston Manor. And now you feel that gurus betray and that psychologists universally behave ethically. I suggest that you try the truth. It will have a positive effect on your patients, your duped, and yourself. Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: haven't And never will. Might interfere with the truth, which he seems to define as What I believe, based on stuff my guru(s) told me. What a wanker. No wonder gurus get away with the things they do...their students are idiots. But at least his tantrum below shows why he gets his buttons pushed by anonymous posters. He wants to be able to yell at them, to (as I suggested) force them to listen to him as he wreaks his revenge on them for saying some- thing that isn't *his* version of truth. Classic cult apologist in action. They're like PR flunkies, only instead of getting paid to spin criticism of their guru, they pay for the privilege. :-) And looks like for the amount you paid Swami Rama and/or MMY you are going to vomit here on FFL for the rest of the eternity..:-). Tough luck pal, may I dare say that your mileage might vary with others??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: haven't And never will. Might interfere with the truth, which he seems to define as What I believe, based on stuff my guru(s) told me. What a wanker. No wonder gurus get away with the things they do...their students are idiots. But at least his tantrum below shows why he gets his buttons pushed by anonymous posters. He wants to be able to yell at them, to (as I suggested) force them to listen to him as he wreaks his revenge on them for saying some- thing that isn't *his* version of truth. Classic cult apologist in action. They're like PR flunkies, only instead of getting paid to spin criticism of their guru, they pay for the privilege. :-) And the poor Skeptic Turqster not only gets screwed by the fake Guru and but also screws himself for the rest of the eternity and you wonder where he learned this behavior..:-), what a masochist..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Good for you. There is no need to, you have looked at the light, you know light exists and you are grateful for the lamp, the utility of the lamp was to show you the light. You are not stuck with the lamp, fretting and obsessing over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: haven't --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:44 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Dear Anonymous, I understand that you feel that you were exploited at Livingston Manor. And now you feel that gurus betray and that psychologists universally behave ethically. I suggest that you try the truth. It will have a positive effect on your patients, your duped, and yourself. Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:30 AM, blusc0ut wrote: As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate whatever experiences they had, amplify them. The Maharishi said that? Yes, I have it from a purusha friend who heard it directly, back at the time. He didn't mean it negative in any way (my friend). Maharishi used to hand out questionaries for Purushas to self- evaluate their state of consciousness CC, GC, UC, BC etc. Obviously some were quite puzzled. Again heard from a friend who was there. I was on Purusha from the very beginning and for 12 years onwards and can confirm that what you claim is a blatant lie. It happened after you were there. I heard it from a friend who was on Purusha, but joined later than you, and stayed longer. It was a questionare that was handed out, with this self-evaluation. The event of Maharishi saying that people make experiences up, was probably in Seelisberg after a lecture at a private meeting. I again was told by a Purusha friend, a different one. I cannot provide exact quotes, but I do not lie. I got those informations in confidence, and I write about it only many years after I heard it, and I won't disclose the names of the people who told me. Nablusos, you cannot know everything that happened in the movement and what Maharishi said, even if you were 12 years on Purusha.
[FairfieldLife] The Fountain Lady theory of why cult apologists are angry
It's just a theory. Worse, it's my theory, which invalidates it immediately in the minds of a few cult apologists here. But here it is anyway, complete with multimedia. My theory is that what makes cult apologists so angry as they defend, defend, defend the beliefs or gurus they've invested heavily in and attack, attack, attack those who criticize or (worse) poke fun at them is that they're pissed off about having been made to look like fools *by* believing the things they believe and revering the gurus they revere. Rather than suck it up and say, Yup, that's a valid point of view all right, and from that point of view I really *do* look pretty damned silly, joining in the laughter and then moving on, they choose to go all Fountain Lady on the critics and the laughers. With pretty much the same results that Fountain Lady herself has achieved. Sure, the mall guards were mean, but she really was so out of it that she made a fool of herself. That's what she's really pissed off about. (That and her status as a thief having been revealed as a result of her notoriety.) Similarly IMO, cult apologists, when confronted by revelations about their particular cult or guru, are really pissed off about looking like fools for believing in them. Lighten up. We ALL act like fools from time to time, and believe in stuff we wouldn't have if (like the Fountain Lady) we'd just been paying a little more attention. IMO, they'd be better off to suck it up and move on rather than proving themselves not only *still* a fool, but a humorless one by trying to make a big deal out of a little one. Ya listenin', Dan? What not to do after you fall into a fountain Her name is Cathy Cruz Marrero, but you probably know her better as the Fountain Lady. Last week, as she walked past the Piercing Pagodas and Radio Shacks of Pennsylvania's Berkshire Mall, engrossed in the act of texting, she plowed face first into a fountain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWtDpGM36J8 And because this is 2011 and every minor public mishap is not just recorded but broadcast, it didn't take long for the security camera footage -- replete with the delighted giggles of mall security and their enjoyment of the spill from two different angles -- to make its way to YouTube. Nearly 2 million views and thousands of comments about the idiot lady later, Marrero is learning firsthand that not all viral sensations wind up with job offers http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/01/14/ted_williams_homeless_dj_s\ tumbles and guest shots on George Lopez http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2010/10/25/antoine_dodson_uneasy_fame\ . Instead, her 15 seconds of walking, falling and getting her soaking-wet self out of the water have made her a worldwide punch line. Or as a mall security person narrated, And . boom! At this point, Marrero could have shrugged the whole thing off and accepted her place in the hall of YouTube infamy next to Star Wars Kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU and Grape Lady. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk Instead, she got mad. On Good Morning America Thursday, Marrero, who works at a store at the mall, sat with her attorney and appeared to be fighting back tears as she noted that the world has been having a great laugh at my account. She admitted she had been embarrassed after she took the spill, but the bigger issue for her seems to be the utter lack of compassion the entire incident has generated ever since. Nobody took my feelings into consideration. Nobody called, are you OK? Nobody went to my aid. Not one single person. On the video, her fall and recovery happen so quickly, it's easy to assume none of the shoppers even noticed. But that doesn't explain the security team hooting, Play it back! Play it back! Marrero may well have good reason to be wary of the sudden spotlight: After her GMA appearance, she was in court Thursday regarding charges that she used a co-worker's credit card to rack up over $5,000 in bills at two local stores. http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=280672 Marrero's lawyer says, Her prior personal affairs have nothing to do with what happened to her at the Berkshire Mall and the video that has been posted, and told George Stephanopoulos this morning, We intend to hold all responsible parties accountable, whether that means requesting or demanding an apology, certainly requesting an explanation of how this happened, and certainly we want to know the identity of all persons responsible for making the video public. These new twists certainly aren't endearing Marrero any further to her Internet fans. YouTube commenters have been flocking to the clip all day, asking, Why is she suing? To be an attention whore some more? And indeed, appearing on GMA is probably not the fastest way to make this whole thing disappear. But to everyone who owns a phone, I say, ask not for whom the shopping mall fountain waits, it waits for thee. Did Marrero need to be texting her
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
And thanks for speaking up Dan. I can tell you are man of the heart. But you are dealing with intellectuals in love with their intellects. I tell them intellect is a whore reading to sleep with the highest bidder. But they are fascinated with their intellects just as a puppy is with its tail. They are happy spending their whole day chasing their tails..:-), they get back everyday on the side of the bed opposite to their tails.They are fascinated with their whores, not realizing the true beloved which is the heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Good for you. There is no need to, you have looked at the light, you know light exists and you are grateful for the lamp, the utility of the lamp was to show you the light. You are not stuck with the lamp, fretting and obsessing over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: haven't --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:44 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Dear Anonymous, I understand that you feel that you were exploited at Livingston Manor. And now you feel that gurus betray and that psychologists universally behave ethically. I suggest that you try the truth. It will have a positive effect on your patients, your duped, and yourself. Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:04 AM, merudanda wrote: Hope Maharaja Adhiraj Nader Raam will not use his modernized chariot to pick up the kids,- am looking forward to see-, at MSAE (it's not the bicycle on the left side) LOL~~*very* funny! Is that a real pic, or is the limo photoshopped in? Yeah, and is there a whirlpool inside? You've got to admit, though, wouldn't it REALLY fuck with everyone's minds if Da King pulled up to the dome in his pimpmobile and out of it climbed half a dozen leggy Hollywood bimbos wearing high heels and low morals? Then he follows, dressed in his robes and crown. The bouncer at the door deferentially removes the satin rope blocking the entrance and waves Da King in, while the peons look on in adoration and envy from their place in line. :-) Hilarious! What I wonder, do serious people in the US really drive such cars? In Europe, the rich people try to hide how expensive their cars are, or the have more subtle ways to show it. So, what I wonder if in the US people get the same associations with cars like this than we have. Now, let me spin, how pro-TMers possibly would defend the car: Rory: The car is just long enough to hold the pain body of the movement (which grows whenever I see it) Its a cosmic spectacle, love, peace, we are all ONE :-) :-) :-) Nabby: Even though it's not a German car, it's the best what the americans could provide. I know from a movement source that the King holds meetings with the ascended masters there while driving his children to school every morning. It proves beyond doubt that Maharishi was the greatest master ever, and that he and Maitreya are actually working together. Judy would say something very reflective and witty: Does anybody know if the car was orignally intended for Maharishi, in case he would visit the US? In this case Tony would just use a car that was already there, and they wouldn't need to buy a new one. Maybe the got it really cheap, and since he doesn't drive very much, they don't use much gas either. Unless we know *all* the facts (which we can never really know) we cannot judge. Whynotnow: oh he already said something, ehem to the effect, nobody really notices the car? What an insult! It's meant to be noticed. Would they really be that brazen? What am I asking~~do ducks swim in water?? I guess by now you've read Rick's reply, and know that this is Da King's real pimpmobile. The mind boggles. I want someone to film him arriving somewhere in this pimpmobile and then put a gangsta rap song behind it as the soundtrack and post it to YouTube. I think that would be phat. :-) Yeah, it's cool, provided it has aircondition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fountain Man's theory of why Turqster is hurting..
I'm the only one patient enough to read your bullshit, even then I could only get to the Ya listenin' Dan part without fainting.., 'cause you are the patient..:-), I'm your nightmare therapist, you trust the therapist label don't you. Small Penis Disorder is very debilitating, the wounds caused by fake Gurus are real but the band-aid's aren't helping are they? You are proud of that whore that is your intellect and aren't tired of repeating the BS and I never get tired of loving you either. Forget Swami Rama, forget MMY, just wakeup from the nightmarish dreams of devouring Gurus - it's not too late. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: out of a little one. Ya listenin', Dan?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:04 AM, merudanda wrote: Is that a real pic, or is the limo photoshopped in? Yeah, and is there a whirlpool inside? You've got to admit, though, wouldn't it REALLY fuck with everyone's minds if Da King pulled up to the dome in his pimpmobile and out of it climbed half a dozen leggy Hollywood bimbos wearing high heels and low morals? Then he follows, dressed in his robes and crown. The bouncer at the door deferentially removes the satin rope blocking the entrance and waves Da King in, while the peons look on in adoration and envy from their place in line. :-) Hilarious! What I wonder, do serious people in the US really drive such cars? I'm not sure what you would consider serious. In the US, such cars are ridden in by pimps, movie stars, rap stars, ugly rich people like Donald Trump, and high school kids blowing their college money to impress their prom dates. :-) In Europe, the rich people try to hide how expensive their cars are, or the have more subtle ways to show it. Yup, like the Peugeot 607. Gorgeous car (designed by Pininfarina) and expensive without looking it. So, what I wonder if in the US people get the same associations with cars like this than we have. Anyone riding in a car like this would immediately be considered a fool by 95% of the population. Now, let me spin, how pro-TMers possibly would defend the car: Rory: The car is just long enough to hold the pain body of the movement (which grows whenever I see it) Its a cosmic spectacle, love, peace, we are all ONE :-) :-) :-) Nabby: Even though it's not a German car, it's the best what the americans could provide. I know from a movement source that the King holds meetings with the ascended masters there while driving his children to school every morning. It proves beyond doubt that Maharishi was the greatest master ever, and that he and Maitreya are actually working together. Judy would say something very reflective and witty: Does anybody know if the car was orignally intended for Maharishi, in case he would visit the US? In this case Tony would just use a car that was already there, and they wouldn't need to buy a new one. Maybe the got it really cheap, and since he doesn't drive very much, they don't use much gas either. Unless we know *all* the facts (which we can never really know) we cannot judge. Whynotnow: oh he already said something, ehem to the effect, nobody really notices the car? What an insult! It's meant to be noticed. You really *have* been lurking for a while, haven't you? You've got the voices down pat. Well done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:04 AM, merudanda wrote: Is that a real pic, or is the limo photoshopped in? Yeah, and is there a whirlpool inside? You've got to admit, though, wouldn't it REALLY fuck with everyone's minds if Da King pulled up to the dome in his pimpmobile and out of it climbed half a dozen leggy Hollywood bimbos wearing high heels and low morals? Then he follows, dressed in his robes and crown. The bouncer at the door deferentially removes the satin rope blocking the entrance and waves Da King in, while the peons look on in adoration and envy from their place in line. :-) Hilarious! What I wonder, do serious people in the US really drive such cars? I'm not sure what you would consider serious. Serious in the sense that you are taken serious by people. Not pimps for example. In the US, such cars are ridden in by pimps, movie stars, rap stars, ugly rich people like Donald Trump, and high school kids blowing their college money to impress their prom dates. :-) In Europe, the rich people try to hide how expensive their cars are, or the have more subtle ways to show it. Yup, like the Peugeot 607. Gorgeous car (designed by Pininfarina) and expensive without looking it. So, what I wonder if in the US people get the same associations with cars like this than we have. Anyone riding in a car like this would immediately be considered a fool by 95% of the population. Now, let me spin, how pro-TMers possibly would defend the car: Rory: The car is just long enough to hold the pain body of the movement (which grows whenever I see it) Its a cosmic spectacle, love, peace, we are all ONE :-) :-) :-) Nabby: Even though it's not a German car, it's the best what the americans could provide. I know from a movement source that the King holds meetings with the ascended masters there while driving his children to school every morning. It proves beyond doubt that Maharishi was the greatest master ever, and that he and Maitreya are actually working together. Judy would say something very reflective and witty: Does anybody know if the car was orignally intended for Maharishi, in case he would visit the US? In this case Tony would just use a car that was already there, and they wouldn't need to buy a new one. Maybe the got it really cheap, and since he doesn't drive very much, they don't use much gas either. Unless we know *all* the facts (which we can never really know) we cannot judge. Whynotnow: oh he already said something, ehem to the effect, nobody really notices the car? What an insult! It's meant to be noticed. You really *have* been lurking for a while, haven't you? You've got the voices down pat. Well done. Yes, true, you got me! Thanks. I forgot Lawson, but I don't think I can do him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Good for you. There is no need to, you have looked at the light, Yes, but you can also hear the light: http://www.valkee.com/en/ you know light exists or you heard the light exists. and you are grateful for the lamp, the utility of the lamp was to show you the light. You are not stuck with the lamp, fretting and obsessing over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: haven't --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:44 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Dear Anonymous, I understand that you feel that you were exploited at Livingston Manor. And now you feel that gurus betray and that psychologists universally behave ethically. I suggest that you try the truth. It will have a positive effect on your patients, your duped, and yourself. Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: The great joke here of course is, from our point of view anyhow, From 'our point of view' probably means, if you just go high enough. If you go very close to an object, even a little toy looks big, if we go 100 000 kms high, even the Mt. Everest looks flat. So you just take a viewpoint high enough, and everything levels out somehow. All-is-meant-how-it's-meant-to-be, you are not the doer, or we-are-the-creator-of everything, consciously-or-unconsciously (which makes all the difference I think). The question is: does this really help? Just look at it from the top and laugh? I think you really have to go in the shit (the relative world) and work there, and see what comes out. *all* experience is made up -- that is, self-generated, as a natural result of our (consciously or unconsciously chosen) finest feeling level, which in turn supports our (conscious or unconscious) mental stance, which in turn selects our supporting sensory-data from the vast paradoxical chaos of infinite possibility. When we are identified primarily with doing -- thinking we are primarily an I-unit or a particle enmeshed in spacetime -- we think that experience just happens to us, but we only think that because we have cut ourself off from our own source: our plain, simple, ordinary self, our own ever-present Presence, the one who constantly and continually programs all our sensory-devatas (again, unconsciously until we relax or back up into Us). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:30 AM, blusc0ut wrote: As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate whatever experiences they had, amplify them. The Maharishi said that? And he primed the pump. How many have had this experience? See, almost everyone. In the Chit Sutras (I have the only existing copy, passed down through the ages since antiquity) it says that this is a case of BullChitting. That's interesting. With rise of the DIY satsang culture, it's now given these same people a venue to amplify experiences to an audience, get the support of other experience junkies for their exaggerations -- kind of a Vedic Improv.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: A sad situation when one feels compelled to parade and exclaim over one's wounds constantly. Oh look how I bleed profusely!, Look oh arrogant worms how wounded am I, I AM IN PAIN, and if you aren't you are a self-important-true-believer-TM-MMY-etc-h. Pain does serve a sacred role, though it is not begging to be spread to others, or blamed on others. Rather it is like a sacred mantra to move within, and heal thyself.:-) Another sane post from Jim. I hope he will stay even though our most pained poster is back :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:30 AM, blusc0ut wrote: As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate whatever experiences they had, amplify them. The Maharishi said that? Yes, I have it from a purusha friend who heard it directly, back at the time. He didn't mean it negative in any way (my friend). Maharishi used to hand out questionaries for Purushas to self- evaluate their state of consciousness CC, GC, UC, BC etc. Obviously some were quite puzzled. Again heard from a friend who was there. I was on Purusha from the very beginning and for 12 years onwards and can confirm that what you claim is a blatant lie. It happened after you were there. I heard it from a friend who was on Purusha, but joined later than you, and stayed longer. It was a questionare that was handed out, with this self-evaluation. The event of Maharishi saying that people make experiences up, was probably in Seelisberg after a lecture at a private meeting. I again was told by a Purusha friend, a different one. I cannot provide exact quotes, but I do not lie. I got those informations in confidence, and I write about it only many years after I heard it, and I won't disclose the names of the people who told me. Nablusos, you cannot know everything that happened in the movement and what Maharishi said, even if you were 12 years on Purusha. Obviously not but I can't see why He should start handing out questionars at such a time. My information is that He almost never met Purusha after 1994, apart from in small groups. After leaving Purusha only general information is shared so in theory it could have happened though I doubt it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Turq, For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. Who thinks of revenge for that? This leads to your second paragraph: I do feel that people are responsible for their acts. That is my purpose for objecting to annonymous posting. Dan, you may not be aware of it, but anonymity is a fundamental building block for democracy and freedom. For example secret ballot is essential for the freedom of a country and it's citiziens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are confidential. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_privacy Uncertainty about who supported what measure, and the right to keep one's opinion to oneself and not be required to reveal it except voluntarily (such as by joining a political party or answering opinion polls), aren't generally challenged even by the most strident national security advocates. The idea is of course to avoid any group from exerting pressure on you, or to influence you, or sanction you in any way. A good example of this power of anonymity is Wikileaks. It is clear that those who provide information to Wikileaks must fear repressions of all kinds, just recently conservatives have demanded the death for its founder. It is such a system that provides transparency that is needed in any democratic system. Of course you do not have to agree to the psychologist, but he has the right to give his opinion, and of course anonymously. TM has never been known to be a democratic system, and control *is* a big issue there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: You masquerade here as someone who is genuinely interested in spirituality Ravioli, why are you so interested in Barry, in his spirituality? You, Dan and Jim seem to be positively obsessed, even more so than Judy~and that's going some. What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:30 AM, blusc0ut wrote: As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate whatever experiences they had, amplify them. The Maharishi said that? Yes, I have it from a purusha friend who heard it directly, back at the time. He didn't mean it negative in any way (my friend). Maharishi used to hand out questionaries for Purushas to self- evaluate their state of consciousness CC, GC, UC, BC etc. Obviously some were quite puzzled. Again heard from a friend who was there. I was on Purusha from the very beginning and for 12 years onwards and can confirm that what you claim is a blatant lie. It happened after you were there. I heard it from a friend who was on Purusha, but joined later than you, and stayed longer. It was a questionare that was handed out, with this self-evaluation. The event of Maharishi saying that people make experiences up, was probably in Seelisberg after a lecture at a private meeting. I again was told by a Purusha friend, a different one. I cannot provide exact quotes, but I do not lie. I got those informations in confidence, and I write about it only many years after I heard it, and I won't disclose the names of the people who told me. Nablusos, you cannot know everything that happened in the movement and what Maharishi said, even if you were 12 years on Purusha. Obviously not but I can't see why He should start handing out questionars at such a time. My information is that He almost never met Purusha after 1994, apart from in small groups. After leaving Purusha only general information is shared so in theory it could have happened though I doubt it. It was a questionaire, it doesn't mean he was present himself. I don't know if CC, GC etc were mentioned, but people were asked to evaluate their own state of consciousness. It was clear that it was about states like CC, GC etc. It is also clear that he stated many times that everybody is already in CC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
What difference does it make Sal, what Ravi, I or Dan thinks? It appears the so called obsession cuts both ways. For me personally Barry says some odd things and I comment on them. End of story. You and Barry continually attempt to control who says what to who on here, forgetting obviously that it is a Forum. A Forum means anyone can post nearly anything, and anyone can comment on anything. Why is that such an issue with both of you?? Its like it makes both of you really uncomfortable when someone points out a perspective you don't see. After all, Barry thinks of all humanity as arrogant worms, so I am obviously not concerned with changing his mind. You too seem to have a similar mindset, so my comments are not so much directed at either of you, but provided as an example of how a normal person might react to such odd thinking of yours and his.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: You masquerade here as someone who is genuinely interested in spirituality Ravioli, why are you so interested in Barry, in his spirituality? You, Dan and Jim seem to be positively obsessed, even more so than Judy~and that's going some. What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks
I am not going anywhere. Barry can continue to bathe in the blood of his self-inflicted wounds for all to see.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: A sad situation when one feels compelled to parade and exclaim over one's wounds constantly. Oh look how I bleed profusely!, Look oh arrogant worms how wounded am I, I AM IN PAIN, and if you aren't you are a self-important-true-believer-TM-MMY-etc-h. Pain does serve a sacred role, though it is not begging to be spread to others, or blamed on others. Rather it is like a sacred mantra to move within, and heal thyself.:-) Another sane post from Jim. I hope he will stay even though our most pained poster is back :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: You masquerade here as someone who is genuinely interested in spirituality Ravioli, why are you so interested in Barry, in his spirituality? You, Dan and Jim seem to be positively obsessed, even more so than Judy~and that's going some. What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? Thanks for noticing. Just to clarify the situation, I not only have not read or replied to anything of Ravi's since my return, I only responded to a couple of his posts back in his *first* appearance here, as a crazy person. I wrote him off as a complete waste of time then, and the few words of his I have seen in Message View has not changed that opinion. Same with Jim. I replied once, telling him that I owe him nothing -- not reading his posts, not reply- ing to his posts, nada -- hoping he'd get the point. Instead, again judging from the first few words of posts I can't help but see in Message View, he's been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's been written off. Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same category as Willytex. Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes. :-) The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. One thing for sure...the more they slam me and try to get me to focus on them, the less I will. And the thing is I've said this before, and they just don't get it. I'll say it one last time, in the hope that they're not as brain damaged as they seem intent on proving they are. The ONLY message they will receive from me is short and succinct: CATCH A FUCKING CLUE YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME AND NEVER WILL BE NO MATTER HOW MANY TANTRUMS YOU THROW Are we clear now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:30 AM, blusc0ut wrote: As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate whatever experiences they had, amplify them. The Maharishi said that? Yes, I have it from a purusha friend who heard it directly, back at the time. He didn't mean it negative in any way (my friend). Maharishi used to hand out questionaries for Purushas to self- evaluate their state of consciousness CC, GC, UC, BC etc. Obviously some were quite puzzled. Again heard from a friend who was there. I was on Purusha from the very beginning and for 12 years onwards and can confirm that what you claim is a blatant lie. It happened after you were there. I heard it from a friend who was on Purusha, but joined later than you, and stayed longer. It was a questionare that was handed out, with this self-evaluation. The event of Maharishi saying that people make experiences up, was probably in Seelisberg after a lecture at a private meeting. I again was told by a Purusha friend, a different one. I cannot provide exact quotes, but I do not lie. I got those informations in confidence, and I write about it only many years after I heard it, and I won't disclose the names of the people who told me. Nablusos, you cannot know everything that happened in the movement and what Maharishi said, even if you were 12 years on Purusha. Obviously not but I can't see why He should start handing out questionars at such a time. My information is that He almost never met Purusha after 1994, apart from in small groups. After leaving Purusha only general information is shared so in theory it could have happened though I doubt it. It was a questionaire, it doesn't mean he was present himself. I don't know if CC, GC etc were mentioned, but people were asked to evaluate their own state of consciousness. It was clear that it was about states like CC, GC etc. It is also clear that he stated many times that everybody is already in CC. Get your facts straight before posting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? TurquoiseB: CATCH A FUCKING CLUE YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME AND NEVER WILL BE NO MATTER HOW MANY TANTRUMS YOU THROW Are we clear now? Thanks for 'toning down' the rhetoric, Uncle Tantrum! Thanks for noticing. Just to clarify the situation, I not only have not read or replied to anything of Ravi's since my return, I only responded to a couple of his posts back in his *first* appearance here, as a crazy person. I wrote him off as a complete waste of time then, and the few words of his I have seen in Message View has not changed that opinion. Same with Jim. I replied once, telling him that I owe him nothing -- not reading his posts, not reply- ing to his posts, nada -- hoping he'd get the point. Instead, again judging from the first few words of posts I can't help but see in Message View, he's been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's been written off. Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same category as Willytex. Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes. :-) The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. One thing for sure...the more they slam me and try to get me to focus on them, the less I will. And the thing is I've said this before, and they just don't get it. I'll say it one last time, in the hope that they're not as brain damaged as they seem intent on proving they are. The ONLY message they will receive from me is short and succinct:
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
LOL - It just cracks me up every time Barry gets up on his little tippy toes and shrieks in his most shrill voice, NAH NAH NAH I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU, while secretly devouring every word... That's 50 for me - See you all later. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: You masquerade here as someone who is genuinely interested in spirituality Ravioli, why are you so interested in Barry, in his spirituality? You, Dan and Jim seem to be positively obsessed, even more so than Judy~and that's going some. What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? Thanks for noticing. Just to clarify the situation, I not only have not read or replied to anything of Ravi's since my return, I only responded to a couple of his posts back in his *first* appearance here, as a crazy person. I wrote him off as a complete waste of time then, and the few words of his I have seen in Message View has not changed that opinion. Same with Jim. I replied once, telling him that I owe him nothing -- not reading his posts, not reply- ing to his posts, nada -- hoping he'd get the point. Instead, again judging from the first few words of posts I can't help but see in Message View, he's been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's been written off. Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same category as Willytex. Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes. :-) The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. One thing for sure...the more they slam me and try to get me to focus on them, the less I will. And the thing is I've said this before, and they just don't get it. I'll say it one last time, in the hope that they're not as brain damaged as they seem intent on proving they are. The ONLY message they will receive from me is short and succinct: CATCH A FUCKING CLUE YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME AND NEVER WILL BE NO MATTER HOW MANY TANTRUMS YOU THROW Are we clear now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
TurquoiseB: They're like PR flunkies, only instead of getting paid to spin criticism of their guru, they pay for the privilege... Sort of like when Barry paid for and tacked up all those posters for Zen Master Rama! http://www.ramaquotes.com/ Receive daily Rama Quotes on Twitter: http://www.ramaquotes.com/ http://www.ramaquotes.com/ I also saw myself portrayed on the front page of newspapers as a dangerous, evil cultist because I was in their community teaching people how to meditate for free, paying for every poster I put up, every hall I rented, ever tape or CD or book I gave away myself Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Author: Uncle Tantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote: It was a questionaire, it doesn't mean he was present himself. I don't know if CC, GC etc were mentioned, but people were asked to evaluate their own state of consciousness. It was clear that it was about states like CC, GC etc. It is also clear that he stated many times that everybody is already in CC. Get your facts straight before posting. Look, don't get nitpicking here, it was clear that Maharishi had those questionnaires handed out (he didn't hand it out himself, right). It was also clear that the self evaluation as referring to states of CC, GC and the like, even though I don't know the text verbatim, and I didn't claim this either. There is nothing wrong in what I said, nothing diminishing my original statement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Vaj: Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly? Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They are ripoffs - not worth your time or money. They've been doing this for years - selling nonsense words for money. Joe got me to buy Judith's book for $37.50 and it sucks big time. The book contains only 219 pages and a few lousy, blurred photos. There is nothing in this book that tells us anything about the Maharishi's private sex life. From what I've read, Judith used to sneak into the Mahesh Yogi's bedroom late at night when Jemima Pittman was asleep next door and Nanakishore was napping in the living room. Apparently Judith crawled in the back window. When she got inside the bedroom she would kneel down on her knees and light a candle and incense in front of a photo of SBS and then give the Mahesh Yogi a back rub, while the yogi was asleep on the floor on his antelope skin. Go figure. Maybe Judith was reading the Kama Sutra - I don't know, but it sounds like it to me. Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! If she did not, then I'd have to say she really did some 'family' planning! Maybe she was hoping to give birth to a little Srivastava, so she could take over the TM Movement. Sounds like it to me. But the Mahesh Yogi was to smart for that - no way would he have unprotected sexual intercourse with a big gal like that without a bathroom and without some hot running water! I guess Judith brought with her a box of Kleenex or at least a spare, blue sari. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] For Judy : photo of Little Girl on her first duck! [1 Attachment]
This is the photo I tried to send earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Thanks for the advise on my reading list. Currently I'm reading Culture and Consciousness, published by Associated University Press London in 2002. Briefly, the thesis is : art and literature are said to have suggestive power to shift awareness from the qualia or content of the mind toward a state of nonconceptuality, which constitutes the ontological ground of true intersubjectivity (the process of relating to the other. 0 Succently: People are different, but nonseparate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Vaj: Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly? Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They are ripoffs - not worth your time or money. They've been doing this for years - selling nonsense words for money. Joe got me to buy Judith's book for $37.50 and it sucks big time. The book contains only 219 pages and a few lousy, blurred photos. There is nothing in this book that tells us anything about the Maharishi's private sex life. From what I've read, Judith used to sneak into the Mahesh Yogi's bedroom late at night when Jemima Pittman was asleep next door and Nanakishore was napping in the living room. Apparently Judith crawled in the back window. When she got inside the bedroom she would kneel down on her knees and light a candle and incense in front of a photo of SBS and then give the Mahesh Yogi a back rub, while the yogi was asleep on the floor on his antelope skin. Go figure. Maybe Judith was reading the Kama Sutra - I don't know, but it sounds like it to me. Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! If she did not, then I'd have to say she really did some 'family' planning! Maybe she was hoping to give birth to a little Srivastava, so she could take over the TM Movement. Sounds like it to me. But the Mahesh Yogi was to smart for that - no way would he have unprotected sexual intercourse with a big gal like that without a bathroom and without some hot running water! I guess Judith brought with her a box of Kleenex or at least a spare, blue sari. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. Try again Peter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. Who thinks of revenge for that? This leads to your second paragraph: I do feel that people are responsible for their acts. That is my purpose for objecting to annonymous posting. Dan, you may not be aware of it, but anonymity is a fundamental building block for democracy and freedom. For example secret ballot is essential for the freedom of a country and it's citiziens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are confidential. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_privacy Uncertainty about who supported what measure, and the right to keep one's opinion to oneself and not be required to reveal it except voluntarily (such as by joining a political party or answering opinion polls), aren't generally challenged even by the most strident national security advocates. The idea is of course to avoid any group from exerting pressure on you, or to influence you, or sanction you in any way. A good example of this power of anonymity is Wikileaks. It is clear that those who provide information to Wikileaks must fear repressions of all kinds, just recently conservatives have demanded the death for its founder. It is such a system that provides transparency that is needed in any democratic system. Of course you do not have to agree to the psychologist, but he has the right to give his opinion, and of course anonymously. TM has never been known to be a democratic system, and control *is* a big issue there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
But Dan, who's receiving those insults? Seems rather generic to me. I'm more curious why you're getting all mad about it? I actually disagree with a lot of what he says,like you, but so what? This was his experience, why can't he be allowed to have it? --- On Fri, 1/21/11, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: danfriedman2002 danfriedman2...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:51 AM A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. Try again Peter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. Who thinks of revenge for that? This leads to your second paragraph: I do feel that people are responsible for their acts. That is my purpose for objecting to annonymous posting. Dan, you may not be aware of it, but anonymity is a fundamental building block for democracy and freedom. For example secret ballot is essential for the freedom of a country and it's citiziens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are confidential. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_privacy Uncertainty about who supported what measure, and the right to keep one's opinion to oneself and not be required to reveal it except voluntarily (such as by joining a political party or answering opinion polls), aren't generally challenged even by the most strident national security advocates. The idea is of course to avoid any group from exerting pressure on you, or to influence you, or sanction you in any way. A good example of this power of anonymity is Wikileaks. It is clear that those who provide information to Wikileaks must fear repressions of all kinds, just recently conservatives have demanded the death for its founder. It is such a system that provides transparency that is needed in any democratic system. Of course you do not have to agree to the psychologist, but he has the right to give his opinion, and of course anonymously. TM has never been known to be a democratic system, and control *is* a big issue there. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. Try again Peter. No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. Who thinks of revenge for that? This leads to your second paragraph: I do feel that people are responsible for their acts. That is my purpose for objecting to annonymous posting. Dan, you may not be aware of it, but anonymity is a fundamental building block for democracy and freedom. For example secret ballot is essential for the freedom of a country and it's citiziens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are confidential. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_privacy Uncertainty about who supported what measure, and the right to keep one's opinion to oneself and not be required to reveal it except voluntarily (such as by joining a political party or answering opinion polls), aren't generally challenged even by the most strident national security advocates. The idea is of course to avoid any group from exerting pressure on you, or to influence you, or sanction you in any way. A good example of this power of anonymity is Wikileaks. It is clear that those who provide information to Wikileaks must fear repressions of all kinds, just recently conservatives have demanded the death for its founder. It is such a system that provides transparency that is needed in any democratic system. Of course you do not have to agree to the psychologist, but he has the right to give his opinion, and of course anonymously. TM has never been known to be a democratic system, and control *is* a big issue there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
bluscOut, Yes, the post was an insult, but you triffle it away because it wasn't to anyone in specific. THAT IS MY POINT: Anonymous letters targeting groups isn't healthy to the discourse you are promoting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. Try again Peter. No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. Who thinks of revenge for that? This leads to your second paragraph: I do feel that people are responsible for their acts. That is my purpose for objecting to annonymous posting. Dan, you may not be aware of it, but anonymity is a fundamental building block for democracy and freedom. For example secret ballot is essential for the freedom of a country and it's citiziens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are confidential. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_privacy Uncertainty about who supported what measure, and the right to keep one's opinion to oneself and not be required to reveal it except voluntarily (such as by joining a political party or answering opinion polls), aren't generally challenged even by the most strident national security advocates. The idea is of course to avoid any group from exerting pressure on you, or to influence you, or sanction you in any way. A good example of this power of anonymity is Wikileaks. It is clear that those who provide information to Wikileaks must fear repressions of all kinds, just recently conservatives have demanded the death for its founder. It is such a system that provides transparency that is needed in any democratic system. Of course you do not have to agree to the psychologist, but he has the right to give his opinion, and of course anonymously. TM has never been known to be a democratic system, and control *is* a big issue there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! She was protected by a silverspoon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3cxkYu4NyA Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Ravioli, why are you so interested in Barry, in his spirituality? You, Dan and Jim seem to be positively obsessed, even more so than Judy~and that's going some. What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks? Thanks for noticing. Kinda tough to miss~~these loony tunes aren't exactly subtle. Just to clarify the situation, I not only have not read or replied to anything of Ravi's since my return, I only responded to a couple of his posts back in his *first* appearance here, as a crazy person. I wrote him off as a complete waste of time then, and the few words of his I have seen in Message View has not changed that opinion. Same with Jim. I replied once, telling him that I owe him nothing -- not reading his posts, not reply- ing to his posts, nada -- hoping he'd get the point. Instead, again judging from the first few words of posts I can't help but see in Message View, he's been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's been written off. Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same category as Willytex. Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes. :-) Which is why I still read Ravioli's posts. As well as now and then, there's actually something that makes sense. The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. Unfortunately, the obsessing went on while you were gone as well. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes... Sal: Which is why I still read Ravioli's posts. As well as now and then, there's actually something that makes sense. We can read everything you have to say in quick review mode; there's no reason to click on anything because most of your messages begin and end on one line after RE: and hardly anything you post makes sense. Are you still living in Utopia Village in that 40 foot trailer? Judy moved from downtown Manhattan to the Jersey Shore, and that makes sense. But, unless I've got at least 25,000 square feet of living space with a fence around at least six lots on the water, or I'd feel squeezed! http://www.rwilliams.us/myplace/ The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. Unfortunately, the obsessing went on while you were gone as well. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess, so Barry is back for some more punishment from Judy. Which is kinda insane, but then again, moving to Amsterdam in the winter from sunny Spain is pretty insane too. And for what, so he can sit in a cafe with unemployed young people that ride bicycles and smoke pot while he reads FFL on a 15 inch laptop with 756 kbps wi-fi hotspot? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin May Be Elected Out of Morbid Curiosity.
Bhairitu, If Willy gets so pissed by your poking at him with a stick through his mental cage's bars, what do you think he's going to do if someone leaves the door open? If another Gabby goes to the asphalt, wouldn't you have been, as if, his Sarah Palin targeting him with concepts not unlike cross hairs on a map of Austin, and telling all of FFL his mind is such an irritant that turning it off would not be a sin? You haven't ever and I don't think you ever would wish Willy dead, right?, but haven't all of us tossed enough bricks at him that if he ever does snap, we've all helped keep his last thread of reality so taut that the snapping must perforce be at least partially our own deed? Just askin -- cuz, you know, I 100% agree with everything you've ever said to Willy. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 01/20/2011 06:35 AM, WillyTex wrote: tartbrain: Americans' fatigue of Sarah Palin has finally reached reached its logical conclusion... So much for toning down the rhetoric! Let's do a quick survey. How many times last year has someone on this forum used inflammatory rhetoric against conservatives, George Bush and Sarah Palin? Conservatives SO deserve it for being idiots. Can't stand the heat in the kitchen, eh? Beside you conservatives act like hissing rattlesnakes anyway so we have to do something about you. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
danfriedman: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time... Peter is obviously upset because his guru, MMY, was being dissed in the letter posted by Rick. Peter should have told us all about his guru years ago; the Doctor should have warned all his customers not to give money to the TMO or to any sex-deviate guru. That's just basic to any kind of psychological certification isn't it? From what I've read, some therapists charge up to fifty dollars for half an hour just to talk people down from cult activities. What happens to all the money and how do they get back the money they spent on the guru? Mike Doughheny had to sue the TMO in court to get back the money he spent trying to learn how to fly. But it seems to me kind of nefarious to be promoting cults like the TMO, while at the same time charging huge fees for cult exit counseling - now that's what I call psychic double-dipping! So, I hope John Knapp and Joe Geezer are reading this - they've got a lot of explaining to do. Somehow, posting here anonymously with more vague spiritual advice just doesn't cut it for me. What happens to all the money? I mean, I should have at least the real name of the teacher or therapist so I can make out a check for them, right? Is it even legal to offer psychiatric consults on a public forum like this and to prescribe medications for strangers? Screwing around with people's spiritual life doesn't seem like a good way to build trust or accumulate good karma. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I am not going anywhere. Very good, glad to hear it ! Barry can continue to bathe in the blood of his self-inflicted wounds for all to see.:-) ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay. It's warm, loving, heartfelt and authentic, and if processed with loving attention, could go a long way toward healing some of the dysfunction and denial which has been in the TMO from the beginning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Thanks for the advise on my reading list. Currently I'm reading Culture and Consciousness, published by Associated University Press London in 2002. Briefly, the thesis is : art and literature are said to have suggestive power to shift awareness from the qualia or content of the mind toward a state of nonconceptuality, which constitutes the ontological ground of true intersubjectivity (the process of relating to the other. 0 Succently: People are different, but nonseparate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Vaj: Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly? Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They are ripoffs - not worth your time or money. They've been doing this for years - selling nonsense words for money. Joe got me to buy Judith's book for $37.50 and it sucks big time. The book contains only 219 pages and a few lousy, blurred photos. There is nothing in this book that tells us anything about the Maharishi's private sex life. From what I've read, Judith used to sneak into the Mahesh Yogi's bedroom late at night when Jemima Pittman was asleep next door and Nanakishore was napping in the living room. Apparently Judith crawled in the back window. When she got inside the bedroom she would kneel down on her knees and light a candle and incense in front of a photo of SBS and then give the Mahesh Yogi a back rub, while the yogi was asleep on the floor on his antelope skin. Go figure. Maybe Judith was reading the Kama Sutra - I don't know, but it sounds like it to me. Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! If she did not, then I'd have to say she really did some 'family' planning! Maybe she was hoping to give birth to a little Srivastava, so she could take over the TM Movement. Sounds like it to me. But the Mahesh Yogi was to smart for that - no way would he have unprotected sexual intercourse with a big gal like that without a bathroom and without some hot running water! I guess Judith brought with her a box of Kleenex or at least a spare, blue sari. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: From 'our point of view' probably means, if you just go high enough. If you go very close to an object, even a little toy looks big, if we go 100 000 kms high, even the Mt. Everest looks flat. So you just take a viewpoint high enough, and everything levels out somehow. All-is-meant-how-it's-meant-to-be, you are not the doer, or we-are-the-creator-of everything, consciously-or-unconsciously (which makes all the difference I think). The question is: does this really help? Just look at it from the top and laugh? I think you really have to go in the shit (the relative world) and work there, and see what comes out. * * * Yes! I am speaking actually of going very deeply into the shit (which is, after all, our shit), and working with it, very closely indeed, and loving it so thoroughly and intimately that we come to realize it was not shit after all, but crystal and gold :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote: It was a questionaire, it doesn't mean he was present himself. I don't know if CC, GC etc were mentioned, but people were asked to evaluate their own state of consciousness. It was clear that it was about states like CC, GC etc. It is also clear that he stated many times that everybody is already in CC. Get your facts straight before posting. Look, don't get nitpicking here, it was clear that Maharishi had those questionnaires handed out (he didn't hand it out himself, right). It was also clear that the self evaluation as referring to states of CC, GC and the like, even though I don't know the text verbatim, and I didn't claim this either. There is nothing wrong in what I said, nothing diminishing my original statement. I could have happened at the time of He having frequent conference-calls with the participants in the Domes, who reported experiences of Brahman and Unity consciousness. What I was wondering was why you made a point of it, sounds rather mundane to me. But when it comes to Maharishi-bashing I guess anything goes. If I'm not mistaken it was you who brought out the projects in Iran and The Phillipines, and claimed it failiures, no ? I have news for you; these two, amongst others, will go into the history-books as milestones in the growth of the full sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment and will be obligatory curriculum for future students. Iran; even though the western embassies closed and the wealthy fled to the countryside in fear of bloodshed when the Shah was forced to leave (from our coherence,) not a single drop of blood was wasted. Not one ! To the great surprize of foreign analysts and diplomats. The Shah quietly left the country. The Phillipines; when Marcos was forced to leave the country, due to our coherence creating efforts, not a single drop of blood was wasted. Not one ! When the demonstrators were at the bridge leading to the Palace ready to moove, his general in chief said to Marcos; our tanks are there, we are ready to wipe them out, we only need your command. Marcos calmly said; let it be. Then he quietly left the country. Haile Selassie, Peron. The list of countries and peoples which literally was saved from dictators and oppressors by the Divine grace of His Holiness Maharishi Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and The Tradition of Masters is long. The only time I heard Maharishi voiced a regret, was that due to slack organizational matters we were not able to go to Cuba, someone made a silly mistake which prevented us from going there. Maharishi commented; if we had been able to go there Castro would have to been history. Maharishi was saddened by this failiure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
http://www.fantasygallery.net/morill/art_3_galadriel.html (an appearance, not the reality) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay. It's warm, loving, heartfelt and authentic, and if processed with loving attention, could go a long way toward healing some of the dysfunction and denial which has been in the TMO from the beginning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Thanks for the advise on my reading list. Currently I'm reading Culture and Consciousness, published by Associated University Press London in 2002. Briefly, the thesis is : art and literature are said to have suggestive power to shift awareness from the qualia or content of the mind toward a state of nonconceptuality, which constitutes the ontological ground of true intersubjectivity (the process of relating to the other. 0 Succently: People are different, but nonseparate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Vaj: Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly? Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They are ripoffs - not worth your time or money. They've been doing this for years - selling nonsense words for money. Joe got me to buy Judith's book for $37.50 and it sucks big time. The book contains only 219 pages and a few lousy, blurred photos. There is nothing in this book that tells us anything about the Maharishi's private sex life. From what I've read, Judith used to sneak into the Mahesh Yogi's bedroom late at night when Jemima Pittman was asleep next door and Nanakishore was napping in the living room. Apparently Judith crawled in the back window. When she got inside the bedroom she would kneel down on her knees and light a candle and incense in front of a photo of SBS and then give the Mahesh Yogi a back rub, while the yogi was asleep on the floor on his antelope skin. Go figure. Maybe Judith was reading the Kama Sutra - I don't know, but it sounds like it to me. Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! If she did not, then I'd have to say she really did some 'family' planning! Maybe she was hoping to give birth to a little Srivastava, so she could take over the TM Movement. Sounds like it to me. But the Mahesh Yogi was to smart for that - no way would he have unprotected sexual intercourse with a big gal like that without a bathroom and without some hot running water! I guess Judith brought with her a box of Kleenex or at least a spare, blue sari. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Feet of Clay on the astral plane
http://www.fantasygallery.net/morill/art_9_bird-god.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Vaj: Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help understand more clearly? Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They are ripoffs - not worth your time or money. They've been doing this for years - selling nonsense words for money. Joe got me to buy Judith's book for $37.50 and it sucks big time. The book contains only 219 pages and a few lousy, blurred photos. There is nothing in this book that tells us anything about the Maharishi's private sex life. From what I've read, Judith used to sneak into the Mahesh Yogi's bedroom late at night when Jemima Pittman was asleep next door and Nanakishore was napping in the living room. Apparently Judith crawled in the back window. When she got inside the bedroom she would kneel down on her knees and light a candle and incense in front of a photo of SBS and then give the Mahesh Yogi a back rub, while the yogi was asleep on the floor on his antelope skin. Go figure. Maybe Judith was reading the Kama Sutra - I don't know, but it sounds like it to me. Fact is you can't buy condoms in Rishikesh so you can not have normal sex activities (like having the guy on top, thrusting). And I doubt Judith took a big supply of rubbers with her to India! If she did not, then I'd have to say she really did some 'family' planning! Maybe she was hoping to give birth to a little Srivastava, so she could take over the TM Movement. Sounds like it to me. But the Mahesh Yogi was to smart for that - no way would he have unprotected sexual intercourse with a big gal like that without a bathroom and without some hot running water! I guess Judith brought with her a box of Kleenex or at least a spare, blue sari. Go figure. This Judith-character is a fraud eager for 15 minutes of fame and to make a few dollars. Only diehard Maharishi bashers like Rick Archer believes her story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: This Judith-character is a fraud eager for 15 minutes of fame and to make a few dollars. Only diehard Maharishi bashers like Rick Archer believes her story. * * * Not true, Nablusoss. I have great love and gratitude for Maharishi, *and* I also believe Judith's story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
RoryGoff: Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay. So, how are you going to tell your wife that you took money out of the household budget to buy a paperback book for $37.50 so you could read about MMY's private sex life? 37.50 would probably buy a week's worth of meals for your child at middle school. If anyone tries to do this I'd say first, that they should make sure their wife has a sex life with them, then maybe they could read the book together. But then, your wife might think you're thinking about Judith when you're making love to your wife. Around here we have a budget and it doesn't include buying sex books like the Kama Sutra on Amazon or in some book stall at a flea market when the kids are hungry and need shoes. This really takes the cake - do any of you people actually have a wife and support a family? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: It simply looks a little surreal -- a limo in a cornfield. Not too different from the domes in a cornfield. Viewed in itself, surreal is kind of fun, as the absurd and unexpected nudges us into a WTF moment. One more way to wake a little more of Us up :-) Surreal is the word; I'm quite sure Maharishi would have loved that picture of the limo in the cornfields :-) BTW, thanks for the rest of your post, very interesting !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
Thanks for asking! Odd questions, but entertaining, rather like a limo in a cornfield. Actually, I did not buy the book; I borrowed it. I don't have any children, in middle school or otherwise, but I don't generally buy books that I am unlikely to use repeatedly for reference material. While useful, Judith's book did not fall into that category. After reading it, I recommended the book to my wife, and she read it and loved it, too. We then returned the book to its owner, with our heartfelt thanks. I have hopes that this book will effect some real healing in the TMO, but regardless, it certainly healed some hitherto-unnoticed minor misalignments in us. The truth is funny that way. Like time, truth heals all wounds. As you can see, I do have a wife, but I don't really have to support a family -- divinity does that, to utter perfection. Go figure :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: RoryGoff: Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay. So, how are you going to tell your wife that you took money out of the household budget to buy a paperback book for $37.50 so you could read about MMY's private sex life? 37.50 would probably buy a week's worth of meals for your child at middle school. If anyone tries to do this I'd say first, that they should make sure their wife has a sex life with them, then maybe they could read the book together. But then, your wife might think you're thinking about Judith when you're making love to your wife. Around here we have a budget and it doesn't include buying sex books like the Kama Sutra on Amazon or in some book stall at a flea market when the kids are hungry and need shoes. This really takes the cake - do any of you people actually have a wife and support a family? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Surreal is the word; I'm quite sure Maharishi would have loved that picture of the limo in the cornfields :-) BTW, thanks for the rest of your post, very interesting ! * * * My pleasure, Nablusoss! Thanks for being You; I love You! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
RoryGoff: It simply looks a little surreal -- a limo in a cornfield... So, I wonder far far Tony has to travel in the limo to get to the dome - about a mile?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
RoryGoff: It simply looks a little surreal -- a limo in a cornfield... WillyTex willytex@... wrote: So, I wonder far far Tony has to travel in the limo to get to the dome - about a mile? * * * I suspect the dome comes to the King, like the mountain to Mohammad :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palin May Be Elected Out of Morbid Curiosity.
On 01/21/2011 10:10 AM, WillyTex wrote: Duveyoung: If Willy gets so pissed by your poking at him with a stick through his mental cage's bars, what do you think he's going to do if someone leaves the door open? Now that's a bombshell! Ed is guilty as charged - he tried to ratchet up the political rhetoric on FFL and he got whipped and then Ed took off like a scared rabbit with his tail between his legs. Judy waxed him real good, that's fer sure! Ed shot all his arrows but he missed by a long shot! Ed was outraged that Obama supports the war over in Afghanistan, but Ed voted for the guy. Ed went ballistic that the U.S. is over there fighting against the enemy. Go figure. Now Ed is back to take up arms with the two Barry's and to put their sights on poor Willytex, but neither of them even own a gun to shoot with. Get out of here if you don't want to get in the cross-fire! It's a battle I guess, but I could whip both of them with half my brain tied behind my back. But you'd need a brain to tie up half of first!
[FairfieldLife] Murdoch on the worldwide Communist network
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@ wrote: It was a questionaire, it doesn't mean he was present himself. I don't know if CC, GC etc were mentioned, but people were asked to evaluate their own state of consciousness. It was clear that it was about states like CC, GC etc. It is also clear that he stated many times that everybody is already in CC. Get your facts straight before posting. Look, don't get nitpicking here, it was clear that Maharishi had those questionnaires handed out (he didn't hand it out himself, right). It was also clear that the self evaluation as referring to states of CC, GC and the like, even though I don't know the text verbatim, and I didn't claim this either. There is nothing wrong in what I said, nothing diminishing my original statement. I could have happened at the time of He having frequent conference-calls with the participants in the Domes, who reported experiences of Brahman and Unity consciousness. Possible. But this wasn't in the domes. What I was wondering was why you made a point of it, sounds rather mundane to me. But when it comes to Maharishi-bashing I guess anything goes. It came up in the context of Judy's post and analysing why Maharishi would think people will have experiences. It is not Maharishi bashing, that is only your interpretation of it. If I'm not mistaken it was you who brought out the projects in Iran and The Phillipines, and claimed it failiures, no ? I said that the goals were not achieved. I cited them as examples for trying to achieve the ME without success, yes, because Judy had said that this attempt was new. I have news for you; these two, amongst others, will go into the history-books as milestones in the growth of the full sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment and will be obligatory curriculum for future students. Iran; even though the western embassies closed and the wealthy fled to the countryside in fear of bloodshed when the Shah was forced to leave (from our coherence,) not a single drop of blood was wasted. Not one ! To the great surprize of foreign analysts and diplomats. The Shah quietly left the country. Nice. Yet they couldn't hold the Shah as they had wished. And subsequently thousands if not millions were killed in the events that followed, the Iran/Iraq war. Many people ended up in camps and were tortured.Sorry for that. The Phillipines; when Marcos was forced to leave the country, due to our coherence creating efforts, not a single drop of blood was wasted. Not one ! When the demonstrators were at the bridge leading to the Palace ready to moove, his general in chief said to Marcos; our tanks are there, we are ready to wipe them out, we only need your command. Marcos calmly said; let it be. Then he quietly left the country. Good for him. Haile Selassie, Peron. The list of countries and peoples which literally was saved from dictators and oppressors by the Divine grace of His Holiness Maharishi Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and The Tradition of Masters is long. Strange though that they forgot to announce what the purpose was. At the time they said that they wanted to hold these dictators. But I am happy history is now rewritten. The only time I heard Maharishi voiced a regret, was that due to slack organizational matters we were not able to go to Cuba, someone made a silly mistake which prevented us from going there. Maharishi commented; if we had been able to go there Castro would have to been history. Maharishi was saddened by this failiure. Yes, the CIA also tried in vain, so he was not alone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: RoryGoff: It simply looks a little surreal -- a limo in a cornfield... WillyTex willytex@ wrote: So, I wonder far far Tony has to travel in the limo to get to the dome - about a mile? * * * I suspect the dome comes to the King, like the mountain to Mohammad :-) Yes, Mohammad had a white horse with which he entered heaven directly. Maybe Tony will drive into heaven with his stretch-limo and take us all with him ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
RoryGoff: * * * I suspect the dome comes to the King, like the mountain to Mohammad :-) --blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: Yes, Mohammad had a white horse with which he entered heaven directly. Maybe Tony will drive into heaven with his stretch-limo and take us all with him ;-) * * * I suppose anything is possible; I am more a subscriber to the Kingdom of Heaven is among Us story :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:51 PM, WillyTex wrote: RoryGoff: Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay. So, how are you going to tell your wife that you took money out of the household budget to buy a paperback book for $37.50 so you could read about MMY's private sex life? 37.50 would probably buy a week's worth of meals for your child at middle school. Many people invested all the money they had, some part or all or their fortunes and some threw away conventional medical treatment for decades. 37.50 is less than half an hour at a good therapist. You couldn't even get a jar of Amrit Kalash for that, but it's too much to pay for closure from years of life being mislead? You're not sounding very reasonable. I thought Texans were supposed to be tough, conservative folks - what, are you one of those illegal aliens, Ricardo? It would explain these persistent rumors about you sleeping under bridges. If anyone tries to do this I'd say first, that they should make sure their wife has a sex life with them, then maybe they could read the book together. But then, your wife might think you're thinking about Judith when you're making love to your wife. Around here we have a budget and it doesn't include buying sex books like the Kama Sutra on Amazon or in some book stall at a flea market when the kids are hungry and need shoes. This really takes the cake - do any of you people actually have a wife and support a family? OH stop your whining. Mahesh was lucky he has two new major exposes done which sound as if they were actually done in a respectable manner.
[FairfieldLife] Culture and Consciousness (was Re: Truthful Words)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: Currently I'm reading Culture and Consciousness, published by Associated University Press London in 2002. Briefly, the thesis is : art and literature are said to have suggestive power to shift awareness from the qualia or content of the mind toward a state of nonconceptuality, which constitutes the ontological ground of true intersubjectivity (the process of relating to the other. 0 Succently: People are different, but nonseparate. Interesting. I would never have described it as nonconceptuality, but I have noticed how art brings me into present alertness, which is just like falling back on the self in siddhis practice. That's how I can tell the difference between art and entertainment. Art elicits a state of wakeful alertness, if you will, which though I tend to ignore it, is pleasant to visit on occasion. Entertainment feeds my ego, a voracious beast that requires continual sustenance.
[FairfieldLife] Mysteries of the Sacred Universe
The various lokas in the vedic lore could represent the various universes or dimensions that current physicists are speculating about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXO5QdV_3ugfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Thanks for noticing. Just to clarify the situation, I not only have not read or replied to anything of Ravi's since my return, I only responded to a couple of his posts back in his *first* appearance here, as a crazy person. I wrote him off as a complete waste of time then, and the few words of his I have seen in Message View has not changed that opinion. Same with Jim. I replied once, telling him that I owe him nothing -- not reading his posts, not reply- ing to his posts, nada -- hoping he'd get the point. Instead, again judging from the first few words of posts I can't help but see in Message View, he's been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's been written off. Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same category as Willytex. Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because insanity can be entertaining sometimes. :-) I do have to say I block most of these people too, although Ravi and Rory's raving are occasional entertainment. Willytex is like a Charlie Lutes-as-bad-standup-comic. Do you know how hard it is to boo a concrete executive off the stage?
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I do have to say I block most of these people too, although Ravi and Rory's raving are occasional entertainment. Thanks, Vaj; I enjoy yours quite a bit as well!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Surreal is the word; I'm quite sure Maharishi would have loved that picture of the limo in the cornfields :-) BTW, thanks for the rest of your post, very interesting ! * * * My pleasure, Nablusoss! Thanks for being You; I love You! :-) I dearly love you too, your shared wisdom is gold, not only for me but to lurkers and posters alike. Your simplicity of expression is Love; you and Jim are constantly expanding my container. Maharishi did likewise; expanding the container of the collective consciousness of this planet to encompass The Age of Enlightenment, the end of Kali Yuga. You, humanity, are His dear ones.
[FairfieldLife] Culture and Consciousness (was Re: Truthful Words)
You'd like this quote then: I would suggest that through their liminality and perlocutionary force drama and other performance arts create their own brand of presence, an invisible presence that escapes the deconstructive gaze. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: Currently I'm reading Culture and Consciousness, published by Associated University Press London in 2002. Briefly, the thesis is : art and literature are said to have suggestive power to shift awareness from the qualia or content of the mind toward a state of nonconceptuality, which constitutes the ontological ground of true intersubjectivity (the process of relating to the other. 0 Succently: People are different, but nonseparate. Interesting. I would never have described it as nonconceptuality, but I have noticed how art brings me into present alertness, which is just like falling back on the self in siddhis practice. That's how I can tell the difference between art and entertainment. Art elicits a state of wakeful alertness, if you will, which though I tend to ignore it, is pleasant to visit on occasion. Entertainment feeds my ego, a voracious beast that requires continual sustenance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: I dearly love you too, your shared wisdom is gold, not only for me but to lurkers and posters alike. Your simplicity of expression is Love; you and Jim are constantly expanding my container. * * * Yes, Jim is a true sweet-Heart, isn't he! I heartily appreciate your appreciation and Love your Love, though I don't think anyone has complimented me for my simplicity of expression before! :-D Something to aspire to, at any rate... Maharishi did likewise; expanding the container of the collective consciousness of this planet to encompass The Age of Enlightenment, the end of Kali Yuga. * * * Yes, he certainly did that for me, anyhow -- painful as it was to let go of my many attachments and preconceptions, at times -- he did indeed stretch Us into infinity! And everyone here is continuing that Great Work, at least in my Understanding and experience :-) You, humanity, are His dear ones. * * * We are That!
[FairfieldLife] Maitreya and Maharishi, a common purpose
Maitreya speaks of the little ones as His most beloved; those most recently incarnated from the animal kingdom. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. http://www.shareintl.org/maitreya/Ma_main.htm Maharishi took care of the littles ones in His mission by inviting everyone who was so inclined to start meditation and fasten the evolutionary process. All glory to Lord Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi, a common purpose
Most recent photo of Maitreya - Demon Dude on the left, with wings. Let's see your photos. (didn't think so). http://www.fantasygallery.net/morill/art_8_City-of-the-singing-flame.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Maitreya speaks of the little ones as His most beloved; those most recently incarnated from the animal kingdom. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. http://www.shareintl.org/maitreya/Ma_main.htm Maharishi took care of the littles ones in His mission by inviting everyone who was so inclined to start meditation and fasten the evolutionary process. All glory to Lord Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Clever eyeball trick
http://www.fantasygallery.net/wolf/art_6_dika.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: Haile Selassie, Peron. The list of countries and peoples which literally was saved from dictators and oppressors by the Divine grace of His Holiness Maharishi Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and The Tradition of Masters is long. Strange though that they forgot to announce what the purpose was. At the time they said that they wanted to hold these dictators. It is true that Maharishi said; We will save the Shah. Towards the Shah's secret police, this was our mantra. And He did as He promised, letting the Shah quietly slipping out of Iran without any bloodshed. His carma hit him obviously; within months the Shah died of cancer. Same with Marcos; Maharishi placed full page ads in every newspaper calling Marcos The Father of the Nation. Marcos was pleased and invited us all to the palace were we continued to uplift his soul. I believe even Rick Archer was present there, not that it uplifted his soul much or brought him any understanding to his troubles. What Marcos did not understand ofcourse, and minions like you, was that Maharishi gave him the kiss of death on behalf of a suffering nation. Maharishi even said such; From now on Marcos will carry his own cross. Within months carma overtook Marcos and he died, just like the Shah. Orchestrated by His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for the benefit of the people, in the same way as He initiated and nurtured the Age of Enlightenment which is now fast reaching the Full Sunshine. It is His practical, warriorlike common sense, that made these marvelous, historic achievements happen for eternity.
[FairfieldLife] Dome numbers
Conjectures on MMY's influence wrt the Shah and other characters. What's the evidence for these laughable statements?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Joe, I have been tolerant of you until now. My thinking is fine, how's yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Pink Witch
http://www.fantasygallery.net/lukacs/art_1_Pink-Witch.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: The only time I heard Maharishi voiced a regret, was that due to slack organizational matters we were not able to go to Cuba, someone made a silly mistake which prevented us from going there. Maharishi commented; if we had been able to go there Castro would have to been history. Maharishi was saddened by this failiure. So what kind of numbers do we need to have a peaceful exit by a king, a prime minister and a raja from, say, Jefferson County, Iowa USA?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: So what kind of numbers do we need to have a peaceful exit by a king, a prime minister and a raja from, say, Jefferson County, Iowa USA? * * * AHA! So THAT's why they've been maintaining policies that keep the dome numbers low! Brilliant, Tom!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Oh no! You've lost your tolerance for me? Now what will I do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Joe, I have been tolerant of you until now. My thinking is fine, how's yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Try to improve yourself. Start small. Have determination. Be aware of the small successes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Oh no! You've lost your tolerance for me? Now what will I do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Joe, I have been tolerant of you until now. My thinking is fine, how's yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifuxero@... wrote: Conjectures on MMY's influence wrt the Shah and other characters. What's the evidence for these laughable statements? Dont't take my word for it. Ferry across the Mercey, then you'll see for yourself. Apart from that the historybooks for the future are written as we speak. Ask anyone on European Purusha at the time, they'll confirm every word I wrote. But don't just ask any american on Vedic Atoms. 1) They were not at Pusrusha at the time. 2) They were heavily infiltrated by the CIA. 3) Maharishi mocked them, for obvious reasons. Sometimes for hours, as it happened in Boppard. One very innoscent and fine american stood up and asked Maharishi; But You who sees the nature of all hearts, why can't you tell us who are CIA, who are betraying us? Unfortunately, my good man yifuxero, you probably do not want to know the answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Thank you brutal master. What does the 2002 in your name refer to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Try to improve yourself. Start small. Have determination. Be aware of the small successes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh no! You've lost your tolerance for me? Now what will I do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Joe, I have been tolerant of you until now. My thinking is fine, how's yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be honest with himself about what he's upset over. He's upset because someone dissed gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome numbers
Thx, Nab...I know very little, this is true. http://www.fantasygallery.net/lukacs/art_0_merlin.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifuxero@ wrote: Conjectures on MMY's influence wrt the Shah and other characters. What's the evidence for these laughable statements? Dont't take my word for it. Ferry across the Mercey, then you'll see for yourself. Apart from that the historybooks for the future are written as we speak. Ask anyone on European Purusha at the time, they'll confirm every word I wrote. But don't just ask any american on Vedic Atoms. 1) They were not at Pusrusha at the time. 2) They were heavily infiltrated by the CIA. 3) Maharishi mocked them, for obvious reasons. Sometimes for hours, as it happened in Boppard. One very innoscent and fine american stood up and asked Maharishi; But You who sees the nature of all hearts, why can't you tell us who are CIA, who are betraying us? Unfortunately, my good man yifuxero, you probably do not want to know the answer.
[FairfieldLife] Updated BodyVed website from Neil McCorkle
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wise thoughts from a psychologist
Joe, It is with kindness that I want to help. The 2002 was the year that I created my email account. Thanks for the interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Thank you brutal master. What does the 2002 in your name refer to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Try to improve yourself. Start small. Have determination. Be aware of the small successes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh no! You've lost your tolerance for me? Now what will I do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Joe, I have been tolerant of you until now. My thinking is fine, how's yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Sounds like you're trying to think, but nothing happens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyvkEIclmM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please stop wasting my time. I began this thread hoping to explain how anonymously casting dispersions on groups is something to be resisted. That I have done. Now, if you prefer to get riled up about gurus and Some lost souls in need of a new leader, your new leader has anonymously done his job well. It seems that I was talking of defamation and principals to those who support (so far, in the name of Democracy, Freedom of Speech, WikiLeaks) those who rile them up so easily. Signed, for those I have attacked in this post, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: No, but anonymity has a function, here as elsewhere in the press, that can provide transparency. You probably think that the TM movement is a democracy-free-zone. This place was established for this reason, to provide a place for people to come forward with information about the movement, without having to fear repressions by the movement, like being banned from domes, or being harassed by their lawyers. It's the same principle, like it or not. On a tangential note, the Vanity Fair article about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is up, here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102 It's a good article. Interestingly, I first heard of WikiLeaks here, on FFL. Someone had posted some TM- related stuff on it, and had been forced to because all other websites they'd tried to post it to were afraid of TM lawyers. Later I read a good article about WikiLeaks in Wired UK, and I became a fan. Fairfield Life exists for the same reason that WikiLeaks exists -- to provide a forum on which people can talk about their experiences with TM or with other forms of spirituality without fear of retribution. That the post was an insult - btw it wasn't to anybody in specific - is just your interpretation. And I'm not Peter. You just have to cool down a bit. Making a clear logical statement is by far better than these silly requests and whining around. So why not make a case for what you really want to say? Because what he really wants to say, in my honest opinion, is I'm *angry* at the person who said these things about gurus. I want to express my anger to him and make him *feel* it. I want *retribution* for my anger. And the thing is, as Peter's question a few minutes ago nails so perfectly, it's *inappropriate* anger. He's trying to cast it in terms of his being upset about the poster's anonymity, but that *wasn't* what he was upset about originally. He was upset about the *content* of what he posted -- making fun of and criticizing gurus. *That* is what pushed his buttons. But the clincher is nailed by Peter's question: WHY does what this guy said make him so angry, and push his buttons so much? THAT, to me, is the real fascination of this whole tempest in a pisspot. WHY would anyone become so angry and obsessive over someone he doesn't even know saying something about gurus? And WHY would anyone then become angry and obsessive about the forum moderator who allowed him to say it? In other words, I don't think Dan is being honest with us about what he's upset over. And I think that the reason for this is that he can't be
[FairfieldLife] Women in a field
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [blusc0ut wrote:] I also do see its value to some degree - but its the end justifying the means. Yes. And sometimes the end *does* justify the means, but it's tricky. (Heh, that's the same word you used above.) About the trickyness: It is always musing only years *after* having been tricked. You wouldn't be tricked, if you knew it at the time. The real question though is, how much of what one currently believes is part of this trick set-up? How much are you still investing into this after many years? Me? Not much more than doing my program (and participating here, I guess). I was never really in a position to be subject to any of the tricks. I took what made sense and left the rest. But I was older than most here when I started TM (33) and not a seeker (at least not in the traditional sense), so I had a good solid buffer of skepticism. This is what ex CIA agent Bill Coffin had to say:The ends don't always justify the means. But they are the only thing that can. Wise man. (I actually knew him later on, in his Reverend days; I used to volunteer in his office at Riverside Church in New York. He'd been through a lot of tough stuff and brought the lessons he'd learned to the minister gig. Quite a guy.) I think he did believe it would happen very quickly. I don't think so. Why produce foam matresses, when the great breakthrough is near? So folks don't break their backs in the meantime? What were they using before that? This was 1978, only one year after the public introduction of the Siddhis. It was one of the few give-aways he made. I think by that time it had begun to seem less likely that it would happen Real Soon Now. I'm really talking more about the period of the six-month courses in '75 and '76. By '78, it was beginning to look like it would be a long slog, although they didn't come clean about that until 1985 or so when they held the first public Yogic Olympics. Either way, in my opinion he didn't have bad intent, but from my POV now, he shouldn't have done it. He created this whole movement bubble, this movement maya, as my Purusha friends would say. I wonder if part of the problem is that he wasn't attached to the results, whereas everybody else was. If he wasn't attached to the results, why then make so many grandious claims? Why push people? I'm just asking. Nonattachment to results and exerting oneself to make results happen aren't necessarily contradictory, if you remember the Gita exposition on this. But what I'm getting at is that while he should have anticipated that lack of success would create great disillusionment in his followers, the failure might not have bothered him at all. And that may have looked to the seriously disappointed as though he knew all along it wouldn't work. There are other saints, who simply don't do any of this, who don't make promises, who don't create a 'hype'. Well, sure. Different strokes for different saints. Isn't that a function of personality rather than sainthood per se? Once you realize, that you can lead a deeply spiritual life, without the hype and the whole circus around it, it's such a relief! For some. For others, it's part of the attraction. If he truly was in some higher state of consciousness, and if knowledge is different in different states, it's pretty futile to attempt to psych him out, worse than trying to nail Jell-O to a wall. Sure. But its still necessary to figure out for yourself, how much you can trust a person, if something he says is actually true or part of the show. But one needs to realize that all that figuring and evaluating and concluding belong to oneself, instead of automatically projecting it all onto the teacher one is dealing with. IOW, that I don't trust a teacher doesn't necessarily mean the teacher isn't trustworthy. If you have no personal heavy investment in what he was saying, living far away from any group, you sort of can lean back, be amused, and see this like an nice opportunity for discussion, an intellectual exercise of sorts. But at the same time, there are people who actually suffer from this situation, and it takes them years to figure out. True. I certainly don't mean to trivialize anyone's suffering. I know a lot of people went through some very difficult stuff. But some of them may have derived more spiritual growth from the hard times than those of us who never got sucked in. I meant to say, that he always knew that people would have experiences, no matter what. How could he know? How could he know they'd be satisfying enough to keep people doing the program? He knew from conducting the 6 month courses. He knew enough of the psychology of the people after so many years of teaching. As he himself said, many would just make experiences up, or exaggerate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja and Family PHOTOS+his pickup truck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: snip Hilarious! What I wonder, do serious people in the US really drive such cars? No, they have chauffeurs. ;-) Very few stretch limousines like that these days in the U.S. are owned by individuals. Usually they're owned either by companies or livery services. In Europe, the rich people try to hide how expensive their cars are, or the have more subtle ways to show it. So, what I wonder if in the US people get the same associations with cars like this than we have. Same associations. But here, stretch limos are more a sign of the importance of the folks riding in them than of great personal wealth (although the two often go together). Oh, and pimpmobiles aren't usually stretch limos. Now, let me spin, how pro-TMers possibly would defend the car: snip Judy would say something very reflective and witty: Does anybody know if the car was orignally intended for Maharishi, in case he would visit the US? In this case Tony would just use a car that was already there, and they wouldn't need to buy a new one. Maybe the got it really cheap, and since he doesn't drive very much, they don't use much gas either. Unless we know *all* the facts (which we can never really know) we cannot judge. Cute. But I wouldn't defend the limo, actually. I'd guess that it *does* belong to the TMO, but that the TMO most likely bought it (or it was donated) well after MMY holed up for good in Vlodrop, because it doesn't look that old. They must use it to drive around whatever dignitaries need to be transported anywhere, not just King Tony. A limo like that does make a certain amount of sense for officials of big companies or heads of state who are so busy they need to be able to continue working and even have business meetings on the road. For anybody else, including TMO people in Fairfield, they're a joke. I was interested to see, however, that the limo was parked outside the men's (I assume) dome. Does that mean some of the TMO bigwigs were actually doing program there? The bicycle parked right behind the limo is a nice touch...
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy : photo of Little Girl on her first duck!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: This is the photo I tried to send earlier. Neat!! I mean, poor duck...but good for Little Girl. How long did it take you to train her? Does she get to eat the duck?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthful Words for a Psychologist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: snip This Judith-character is a fraud eager for 15 minutes of fame and to make a few dollars. Only diehard Maharishi bashers like Rick Archer believes her story. Her story rings true to me, Nabs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. Unfortunately, the obsessing went on while you were gone as well. In fact, other than during the few days of postmortem right after Barry left, in which many people participated, I did not bring up Barry's name *once*--entirely contrary to his gloating predictions. (And I had plenty to say otherwise, also contrary to his predictions.) I did *comment on* a handful (something like five) of posts in which *others* brought him up. But that was it. There was actually surprisingly little mention of Barry by anybody here after he left. Once he was finally gone and we were all able to relax and have some pleasant discussions for a change without him constantly breathing his venom down our necks, he became instantly irrelevant. Which, come to think of it, is probably why he felt he had to return. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: snip One thing for sure...the more they slam me and try to get me to focus on them, the less I will. And the thing is I've said this before, and they just don't get it. I'll say it one last time, in the hope that they're not as brain damaged as they seem intent on proving they are. The ONLY message they will receive from me is short and succinct: CATCH A FUCKING CLUE YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME AND NEVER WILL BE NO MATTER HOW MANY TANTRUMS YOU THROW Are we clear now? The folks Barry's addressing are clear and have been ever since he started his I am ignoring you routine. The person who *isn't* clear is Barry. He has never been able to figure out why his tactic to get us to stop criticizing him doesn't work. He just doesn't get it. We don't criticize him in hope of getting him to focus on us. We couldn't care less if he responds to us. You'd think he'd have figured that out by now, but noo... (Free clue for Barry: The way to get us to stop criticizing you is to *stop doing the kinds of things we criticize*.) On the other hand, it *is* fun to watch him declare over and over that we're not worth his time, and then spend quite a bit of time on a regular basis denouncing us, directly as above, or indirectly, in ways that demonstrate with crystal clarity that he *does* read our posts. But we'd continue to criticize him even if we took his declarations seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy : photo of Little Girl on her first duck!
Looks like a cat, not a duck!: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=48615 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: This is the photo I tried to send earlier. Neat!! I mean, poor duck...but good for Little Girl. How long did it take you to train her? Does she get to eat the duck?
[FairfieldLife] Turin reaches the abandoned Homestead
http://www.fantasygallery.net/nasmith/art_1_Turin-Reaches-the-Abandoned-Homestead.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD: 18 veteran suicides/day, 50% reduction in symptoms in 4 wks thru TM
Agreed. I didn't mention him either, and was very glad for the all too brief respite from watching his self-inflicted painfully wounded ego blindly thrashing about. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip The thing I wonder is how long the four I've written off can keep obsessing on me while claiming they're not doing it. With Judy that's not really a question; she'll take her obsession with me to the grave and probably beyond. The others? Only time will tell. Unfortunately, the obsessing went on while you were gone as well. In fact, other than during the few days of postmortem right after Barry left, in which many people participated, I did not bring up Barry's name *once*--entirely contrary to his gloating predictions. (And I had plenty to say otherwise, also contrary to his predictions.) I did *comment on* a handful (something like five) of posts in which *others* brought him up. But that was it. There was actually surprisingly little mention of Barry by anybody here after he left. Once he was finally gone and we were all able to relax and have some pleasant discussions for a change without him constantly breathing his venom down our necks, he became instantly irrelevant. Which, come to think of it, is probably why he felt he had to return. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Aqui Hay Bimbo
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[FairfieldLife] Fate of butt-bouncers
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[FairfieldLife] Moon Temple
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[FairfieldLife] Paradise Goddess
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[FairfieldLife] Recovery stories, TIRR Rehab Hospital
Gabrielle Giffords is going to: TIRR Memorial Hermann Rehab Hospital, Houston. Recovery stories - brain and spinal cord injuries http://www.memorialhermann.org/locations/tirr/content.aspx?id=7854
