[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[raunchydog]

The Guardian newspaper has revealed British government officials approached 
nuclear companies to draw up a coordinated public relations strategy to play 
down the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident. In emails sent just two days after 
the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, British officials wrote that they wanted 
to ensure the accident did not derail their plans for a new generation of 
nuclear stations in Britain. One official wrote: "We need to quash any stories 
trying to compare this to Chernobyl."

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/1/headlines/uk_govt_worked_with_nuke_firms_to_downplay_fukushima_disaster

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote:
>
> _Activist  Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing_ 
> (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/perfect-radiation-storm-is-brewing.html)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom, MZ and The I Ching

[Ravi Yogi]

Hey Bob - thanks for you kind comments and a great post, yet again,
looks like MZ finally got back to you so hopefully that should lift your
spirits. May be we can indeed learn from Rick and try to emulate his
strategy of just dropping in the FFL Pub and saying hello instead of
spending the whole evening getting involved in brawls. So even a few
drinks.. oops posts, once in a while here from you should work,
challenging syntax and everything.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Ravi,
>
> I want to thank you for your heart felt response to my post. Even more
so as I
> know you were getting close to your limit and there were so many other
more
> interesting topics to jump in to. You're a generous soul which, for
me, says
> everything about your state of consciousness.
>
> Starting a new threat can be a very heart-rending business. I'm trying
my level
> best to be relevant on FFL but frankly I'm not sure I'm up to the
task. I
> understand Tom ignoring me, he decided to take the high road which was
no
> surprise as I always suspected he's a better man than I am. But what
hurts, I
> mean really hurts, is that my UN-master appears to be ignoring me
along with
> just about everyone else on FFL. This stings, like the lash of a whip
or a kiss
> from Scarlett Johansson (sort of a quote from Hans Seyle, another
great
> Canadian-although he never claimed UC-and frankly I never thought he
had the
> commercial potential of our Canadian).
>
> Looking closer at this overwhelming sense of abandonment I'm feeling
(isn't
> there another Vedic myth that addresses this also) I can't help
thinking of one
> of my hero's on FFL. Of course, that would be Rick Archer. I think
Rick has done
> more for freedom of speech than Rupert Murdoch, GE, Disney and Garner
Ted
> Armstrong combined. But in with many Hero-admirer relationships (IE.
my
> relationship with MZ) there is a little jealousy from the admirers
side of
> things. Don't get me wrong I'm not jealous of Ricks success with
BatGap. I love
> BatGap but I think my upcoming pod-cast, Zombie in my Gas Tank is a
comer (like
> with enlightenment I think narcissism is a growth industry). No its
not that.
> What I'm green eyed with envy about is Rick's incredible talent for
staying away
> from FFL for weeks at a time (I suspect unlike most of us on FFL, he
actually
> has a life) and then checking in to see how much blood needs to be
cleaned up
> and then lobs in a bone of some kind, usually not wasting anything
with meat on
> it, and voila we get a 2 to 300 post thread. How the hell does Rick do
it? I
> mean we know how my UN-master does it, he's actually famous. OK, some
would say
> notorious but I think famous is closer to the mark. And granted, Turq
is good,
> possibly great. But I think the way Turq has grabbed the Goddess
Nemeses fancy
> is no more than a niche market. Rick on the other hand is at least
cosmic, if
> not godly, in his ability to do less and accomplish something truly
incredible.
> Me on the other rely on the kindness of strangers like you and Rory.
Don't get
> me wrong, if I'm going to be loved I want it to be from people with
heart.
>
> So Ravi, as I'm sure you've surmised I'm a bit down in the dumps. I'm
worried
> that MZ is thinking Ive gone over to the dark side and with my
challenging
> syntax I'm not even worth the bother. Now that he's throwing punches
with real
> contenders I'm not worth the bother. Well I don't think its true that
I don't
> know how to ask a real question. I met Krishnamurti twice (in fact,
both times
> for a week) so i definitely know how to ask a question. I think
everyone would
> agree there are a few of my questions hanging out there for MZ.
Granted some of
> them weren't weren't worth the bother but frankly I think my question
about
> transcending and snoring is up there with "What was your face before
your
> parents were born"?
>
> And as I've said more than once I have lots more questions were that
came from.
> Like what does he think of 312 AD as in the Milvian Bridge as the
foundation of
> what we know as Roman Catholicism? More specifically, what does he
think of
> Constantine murdering his son Crispus and scalding his wife Fausta to
death
> while he was trying to keep Athanasius and Arius from each other
throats at the
> Council of Nicaea so they settle down and pick the best 4 of the 27
gospels on
> the table on time. I understood as a worshipper of Apolo he thought 4
were the
> ticket. Again I got collection plate full of these. And I hope MZ
doesn't think
> I'm just another non dualist. Not true, I learned some time ago that
there is a
> God and its not me!
>
> LOL Ravi.
>
>
>
> 
> From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 1:09:55 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tom, MZ and The I Ching
>
>
> Bob, OMG, where have you been hiding all these days Bob - love the
sarcasm and
> humor in your post - please keep posting - yeah To

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Greed Destroys America

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> For our FFL billionaires who have worked so hard by the sweat of their 
> brow (apparently at near light speed) to earn their huge fortune here is 
> a great article:
> http://consortiumnews.com/2011/06/28/how-greed-destroys-america/
>

"In recent weeks, there's been some question as to how far Dems are willing to 
go in making the explosive charge that Republicans are deliberately trying to 
sabotage the economy in order to improve their chances of defeating President 
Obama in 2012.

On a conference call just now with reporters, Senator Chuck Schumer made the 
most aggressive case we've heard yet along these lines, leaving little doubt 
that Dems are locking in behind this message as the deficit talks hit crunch 
time and as the 2012 campaign looms.

"Do they simply want the economy to go down the drain to further their 
political gain?" Schumer asked. "They seem to be against anything that may 
create jobs, because they view a weak economy as key to their political chances 
in 2012."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/dems-dig-in-gop-trying-to-sabotage-economy-on-purpose/2011/03/03/AGnrHetH_blog.html
http://tinyurl.com/44vqxjt

If the Democrats were honest about the GOP plan to sabotage the economy they 
would say that it has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with a grand 
libertarian plan to bankrupt the country. Reagan started it, Clinton helped it 
along, then George W. Bush put it into hyper-drive with tax cuts for the rich, 
preemptive wars, military spending, bailouts, outsourcing jobs, trade imbalance 
and destroying American manufacturing, all of which Obama continues, by the way.

Why do Libertarians want to wreck the economy? So they can privatize the 
commons and sell our assets to the oligarchs for pennies on the dollar, of 
course. Then shit-can democracy. The party is over. It doesn't matter if Obama 
gets reelected or not, whoever it is, will be just another bought and paid for 
corporate tool.

Attacks on pensions in the United States is also happening in Europe, Greece, 
Briton and "throughout the industrialized world and increasingly people are 
feeling that the workers are being made to pay for the deficits created by the 
bankers." 

"Hundreds of Thousands of Greek and British Workers Stage Strikes As 
Governments Push Austerity Cuts"

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/1/hundreds_of_thousands_of_greek_and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> What damage and loss of life do solar, wind, geothermal, and other
green
> energies cause?
>
I recall reading about two years ago that a leading expert in so called
"green" alternatives for energy indicated that the technologies you
mention above would not be sufficient to meet the energy needs of the
world.  I believe he said that of the above, solar had the most
potential.  France right now says they are gearing up to sell Germany
it's future energy (from nuclear) now that Germany has sworn off
nuclear.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of seventhray1
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:09 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect
> (Radiation) Storm is Brewing
>
>
> I am sure you are right.  So we move forward having learned some
lessons.
> And even if with all this arrogance, and false assumptions, how severe
has
> the actual damage been?  Apart from Chernobyl where the government had
> little accountablility to the people, what has been the actual damage?
And
> how does that damage compare to the damage and loss of life caused in
> producing other sources of energy?
>
> What damage and loss of life do solar, wind, geothermal, and other
green
> energies cause?
>

Nothing as dangerous as Nuclear plants but..(they are in the process of
being redesigned though..)
Windmills at Altamont Pass in California - close to San Ramon - "The
small turbines used at Altamont are dangerous to various raptors
  that hunt California Ground
Squirrels   in
the area. 1300 raptors are killed annually, among them 70 golden eagles
 , which are federally
protected; in total, 4700 birds are killed annually.[3]
 "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Pass_Wind_Farm

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of seventhray1
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:09 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect
(Radiation) Storm is Brewing

 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
 
> It's more than that. THey were arrogantly positive that they had devised
fail-safes that couldn't be overcome by human stupidity and margins of
safety that wouldn't be challenged in 100 years or more (E.G. planning for a
very large magnitude 7 earthquake while assuming that a 10x more powerful
magnitude 8 would never happen in the vicinity of any power plant )

I am sure you are right.  So we move forward having learned some lessons.
And even if with all this arrogance, and false assumptions, how severe has
the actual damage been?  Apart from Chernobyl where the government had
little accountablility to the people, what has been the actual damage?  And
how does that damage compare to the damage and loss of life caused in
producing other sources of energy?

What damage and loss of life do solar, wind, geothermal, and other green
energies cause?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of seventhray1
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:42 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect
(Radiation) Storm is Brewing

 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> 
> We're all short-sighted. Those who built nuclear power plants did so
without
> knowing how they were going to dispose of the waste, and with a
> "fingers-crossed" attitude toward the possibility of accidents.
>
It is my understanding that there are continual improvements regarding the
safety of these plants.   Isn't this how it usually works?  I agree the
waste is certainly a problem.  I thought Yucca Mountain was a good site, but
evidently it wasn't politically feasible.  

I'm no expert, but as I understand it, the stuff has a half-life of 50,000
years. There's nowhere you can put it that would be inaccessible to some
unwitting future civilization. Solar will surpass coal within five years.
That and other alternative energies are where our priorities should lie.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art Walks & Redwoods (was: Archetypes, Music and Magritte)

[whynotnow7]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >> I've heard and seen pictures of the Fairfield Art Walk. reminds me of an 
> >> event held every Sunday in Santa Barbara along the beach - I have some 
> >> beautiful glass pieces I bought there 10 years ago. 
> > 
> > 97 with humidity in Fairfield? Sounds like the way it has been in NC during 
> > my last two visits this year. With the faint floral scent too. 
> > 
> > In the Spring and Fall here in the SF Bay Area we get lots of art and wine 
> > festivals in the various towns and cities. There is actually an awesome one 
> > held in a redwood forest on top of a mountain about 45 minutes from here 
> > called the King's Mountain Art Fair. It is amazing. All of the artist 
> > booths are set up along sawdust tracks in among trees 80 to 150 feet tall. 
> > Attracts thousands, though it is so big that it is never crowded. A benefit 
> > for the King's Mountain fire department. Lots of fun and I always seem to 
> > find parking close in :-)
> >
> * * Beautiful, Jim. My mind has been much in California of late. We took a 
> long camping/research trip last September from Orcas Island through Seattle, 
> Portland, and down the Oregon and California coasts to just north of SF, and 
> back again via Sacramento and Shasta. The redolence of the sunwarmed redwoods 
> in those pensive forests by the shores of Oregon and California made us 
> drunk, and for me remains the prevailing memory of those weeks
>
Beautiful trees. Our backyard neighbor has a pair growing together, with the 
taller one about 70 feet now. They host huge numbers of birds and squirrels. 
Good time to move here as the real estate is very affordable, comparatively 
speaking. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> It's more than that. THey were arrogantly positive that they had
devised fail-safes that couldn't be overcome by human stupidity and
margins of safety that wouldn't be challenged in 100 years or more (E.G.
planning for a very large magnitude 7 earthquake while assuming that a
10x more powerful magnitude 8 would never happen in the vicinity of any
power plant )


I am sure you are right.  So we move forward having learned some
lessons.  And even if with all this arrogance, and false assumptions,
how severe has the actual damage been?  Apart from Chernobyl where the
government had  little accountablility to the people, what has been the
actual damage?  And how does that damage compare to the damage and loss
of life caused in producing other sources of energy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

[Buck]

Yes, in contrast to dropping hallucinogens hoping for a bio-chemical opening, 
'Being' forced through an immature energy system ( a system not ready or 
properly prepared, even of long term TM'ers) can cause its own problems.   It 
certainly can cause physical movement like you're talking or physical problems 
manifesting otherwise.  Jammed or forcing kundalini shakti through blocked or 
poorly functioning chakras like a log-jam it may blow through alright but could 
manifest physical problems and even disease otherwise simply because the system 
is not clear or functioning properly.  Evidently is rooted in lack of proper 
yoga (Eight limbs, not just transcending).
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:07 AM, sparaig  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Are  you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a
> > fascinating
> > > > experience, but I've never heard of TM or TM-SIdhis practice causing
> > the
> > > > symptoms I observed: unable to drink even a 1/2 class of water from a
> > tall
> > > > tumbler because my had shook so much that all the water spilled out
> > before
> > > > it reached my lips. Unable to type without dozens of mistakes because
> > my
> > > > fingers were shaking uncontrollably. Drawing a straight line with a
> > pencil
> > > > was truly interesting --the basic shape was straight, but there was a
> > > > waviness to the line that was about 1mm high and 1mm long. Fine motor
> > > > control is non-existent because the serotonin is interfering with
> > muscle
> > > > feedback. Your mind-body gets into a feedback loop where you over/under
> > > > compensate motion non-stop.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > You're considering serotonin syndrome a fascinating experience?I
> > assure
> > > you the EMTs pumping half a dozen drugs into your veins to bring down
> > your
> > > hypertemp, lesson your nausea, anxiety, vertigo, twitching, blood
> > pressure
> > > so high the ER's got the drugs out ready to reverse your stroke should
> > your
> > > sky high b.p. make you blow a gasket, your tachycardia, massive flushing
> > and
> > > sweating and on and on a fascinating experience?   It's not fascinating
> > to
> > > the doctors, who call in every specialist in the hospital, use every
> > piece
> > > of equipment the regional medical center owns and don't come up with a
> > > diagnosis.It can be a frightening and frustrating experience for all
> > > around.   Fascinating? No.
> > >
> >
> > Well, obviously I had a relatively mild case., Of course, given my nearly
> > 40 years TM practice, perhaps I wasn't as susceptible to the BP issues, and
> > anxiety issues.
> >
> > But, as I was at that point taking 8x the normal dosage of prozac, and the
> > symptoms went away when the doctor lowered the prescription, we were
> > reasonably confident that it was SSRI-overdose related
> >
> >
> > L.
> >
> >
> > Ah, but this particular serotonin syndrome was aka kundalini syndrome.  It
> had nothing to do with MAOIs, SSRI and all those other things which jack
> serotonin around.  It was many years of TM practice, decades of heavy
> rounding on the sidhis, hours and hours of flying which precipitated the
> b.p. and anxiety issues.   Oh yeah.  And lots and lots of yagyas.  Daily
> yagyas for a year or two, weekly yaygas, yagyas with lots of pundits.   You
> know on your third trip to the ER in a week when the triage nurse takes your
> b.p., usually rock solid normal, when all the blood rushes out of her upper
> body and she runs to go get a portable defib unit to place on your lap, that
> this is not all in your head.Nor fascinating.
> 
> Vaj appears to talk b.s. about the TM Sidhi program but though it sounds
> like b.s., it's the truth.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > Rather hot and humid here in Fairfield today, with a sweet, faint,
> musky floral scent
> 
> Sounds just like a '94 Beaurdoiux

* * Better than a '94 Buick, perhaps? I am not much of a wine conoisseur...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of seventhray1
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:01 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect
> (Radiation) Storm is Brewing
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>  I don't think anyone's intentionally trying to create
> > nuclear accidents, but such accidents are bound to happen. It's a
> technology
> > that never should have been implemented. Those who did so were
> > short-sighted.
> >
> Well make a blog so people can know what comes down from on high.  I mean
> there is always the possiblility that you are the one that is short sighted,
> but they probably would not occur to you.
> 
> We're all short-sighted. Those who built nuclear power plants did so without
> knowing how they were going to dispose of the waste, and with a
> "fingers-crossed" attitude toward the possibility of accidents.
>

It's more than that. THey were arrogantly positive that they had devised 
fail-safes that couldn't be overcome by human stupidity and margins of safety 
that wouldn't be challenged in 100 years or more (E.G. planning for a very 
large magnitude 7 earthquake while assuming that a 10x more powerful magnitude 
8 would never happen in the vicinity of any power plant )

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Scholarly article on Buddhist meditation, contemporary mindfulness
> practices, and the Transcendental Meditation technique by Dr. Evan
> Finkelstein.
> 
> http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/07/the-buddhas-meditation--dr-evan-finke
> lstein/
>

Samatha is an interesting word: calm-abiding.

I've run into Buddhist practitioners who seem very TM-like in their practice 
(perhaps more than many/most TMers!) and I have run into purported Shamatha 
teachers online who advocate practices that make many other Buddhists wince.

As one such guy responded: "Kudos to Maharishi for recognizing that quality 
control is important."

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art Walks & Redwoods (was: Archetypes, Music and Magritte)

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>> I've heard and seen pictures of the Fairfield Art Walk. reminds me of an 
>> event held every Sunday in Santa Barbara along the beach - I have some 
>> beautiful glass pieces I bought there 10 years ago. 
> 
> 97 with humidity in Fairfield? Sounds like the way it has been in NC during 
> my last two visits this year. With the faint floral scent too. 
> 
> In the Spring and Fall here in the SF Bay Area we get lots of art and wine 
> festivals in the various towns and cities. There is actually an awesome one 
> held in a redwood forest on top of a mountain about 45 minutes from here 
> called the King's Mountain Art Fair. It is amazing. All of the artist booths 
> are set up along sawdust tracks in among trees 80 to 150 feet tall. Attracts 
> thousands, though it is so big that it is never crowded. A benefit for the 
> King's Mountain fire department. Lots of fun and I always seem to find 
> parking close in :-)
>
* * Beautiful, Jim. My mind has been much in California of late. We took a long 
camping/research trip last September from Orcas Island through Seattle, 
Portland, and down the Oregon and California coasts to just north of SF, and 
back again via Sacramento and Shasta. The redolence of the sunwarmed redwoods 
in those pensive forests by the shores of Oregon and California made us drunk, 
and for me remains the prevailing memory of those weeks

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> We're all short-sighted. Those who built nuclear power plants did so
without
> knowing how they were going to dispose of the waste, and with a
> "fingers-crossed" attitude toward the possibility of accidents.
>
It is my understanding that there are continual improvements regarding
the safety of these plants.   Isn't this how it usually works?  I agree
the waste is certainly a problem.  I thought Yucca Mountain was a good
site, but evidently it wasn't politically feasible. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[sparaig]

Understand: I am NOT trying to claim that Davidson IS biased, or that Fred 
Travis isn't, just pointing out that these guys who study meditation always 
have an agenda and there's none innocent of at least the appearance of bias 
when researching something like this.

An exception might be the scientist (Cantor?) whom everyone quotes to show that 
TM research is worthless, who is apparently currently engaged in his own 
research on the effects of TM on cardiology. Of course, if he comes out with 
negative research, we Believers will find reason to fault it, while if he comes 
out with positive researchers, the skeptics will find reason to fault it.

And so it goes...

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
[...]
> "During one presentation, Duke University professor 
> of medicine Ralph Snyderman paused to tell His 
> Holiness, 'This is one of the most wonderful moments 
> of my life, being here with you.' It was a touching 
> gesture. It also crystallized the dilemma. 
> Scientists can try to test the validity of the Dalai 
> Lama's first-person perspective. But if they allow 
> reverence for him to cloud their judgment, they will 
> cease to be scientists and take rebirth as something 
> quite different: acolytes."
> 
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/dalai.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I actually wrote a long reply to this, and in a moment of 
> > distraction shut down my browser and lost the whole thing.
> > Such is the distinction of age.
> 
> No, it's not! It can happen to anybody, of any age.
> It's infuriating.
> 
> But most likely you'll find, if and when you get around
> to writing it again, it'll be better than the first
> version.
>

Not always. My son wrote a paper (in English) for his Japanese teacher that I 
(and his Japanese teacher) thought was brilliant. Unfortunately, the notes of 
the japanese teacher were stolen, and my son doesn't remember anything about 
what he wrote, so it is lost forever.

My son is a pretty good writer BTW:

http://www.gaiaonline.com/arena/event/holiday-poem-contest/vote/?entry_id=100769115#title


L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> Rather hot and humid here in Fairfield today, with a sweet, faint,
musky floral scent

Sounds just like a '94 Beaurdoiux

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of seventhray1
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:01 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect
(Radiation) Storm is Brewing

 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
 I don't think anyone's intentionally trying to create
> nuclear accidents, but such accidents are bound to happen. It's a
technology
> that never should have been implemented. Those who did so were
> short-sighted.
>
Well make a blog so people can know what comes down from on high.  I mean
there is always the possiblility that you are the one that is short sighted,
but they probably would not occur to you.

We're all short-sighted. Those who built nuclear power plants did so without
knowing how they were going to dispose of the waste, and with a
"fingers-crossed" attitude toward the possibility of accidents.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
  I don't think anyone's intentionally trying to create
> nuclear accidents, but such accidents are bound to happen. It's a
technology
> that never should have been implemented. Those who did so were
> short-sighted.
>
Well make a blog so people can know what comes down from on high.  I
mean there is always the possiblility that you are the one that is short
sighted, but they probably would not occur to you.

[FairfieldLife] What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?

[Rick Archer]

Scholarly article on Buddhist meditation, contemporary mindfulness
practices, and the Transcendental Meditation technique by Dr. Evan
Finkelstein.

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/07/the-buddhas-meditation--dr-evan-finke
lstein/

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[whynotnow7]

responses below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > 
> > A lot of the same creative choices to be made with sound vs. color. Lots of 
> > fun.
> 
> Yes! :-)
> 
>   
> 
> > > >> I figured it was stuff in Magritte's head that transcends what I see 
> > > >> in it. 
> 
> Yes, he probably could have used a therapist for the rapist theme, had such 
> been available in his day ... Freud was, I suppose.

When I saw the painting I personally speculated to no one in particular that he 
felt he was violating the model as he painted her, with her body proportions 
skewed and in a different place than they were in actuality. However, as I 
said, strong title. And not his best work, imo.
> 
> 
> > Lazy summer afternoon here. A dry clear 90 with a cooling breeze in the 
> > shade. Good day for a margarita.
> >
> Rather hot and humid here in Fairfield today, with a sweet, faint, musky 
> floral scent pervading the air quite reminiscent of the Bahamas, though not 
> the 97 with extra humidity we had yesterday. Nonetheless, a lovely Art Walk 
> in the square last night, with all sorts of unusual food (including Mexican, 
> Indian, organic veggies, Ethiopian), music (including both local talent and 
> BYU a capella choir), dancing (including some fine belly-dancing as well as 
> spontaneous), etcFortunately, it had cooled off a bit with some nice 
> breezes by then!
>
I've heard and seen pictures of the Fairfield Art Walk. reminds me of an event 
held every Sunday in Santa Barbara along the beach - I have some beautiful 
glass pieces I bought there 10 years ago. 

97 with humidity in Fairfield? Sounds like the way it has been in NC during my 
last two visits this year. With the faint floral scent too. 

In the Spring and Fall here in the SF Bay Area we get lots of art and wine 
festivals in the various towns and cities. There is actually an awesome one 
held in a redwood forest on top of a mountain about 45 minutes from here called 
the King's Mountain Art Fair. It is amazing. All of the artist booths are set 
up along sawdust tracks in among trees 80 to 150 feet tall. Attracts thousands, 
though it is so big that it is never crowded. A benefit for the King's Mountain 
fire department. Lots of fun and I always seem to find parking close in :-) 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Greed Destroys America

[Bhairitu]

On 07/02/2011 06:39 PM, wgm4u wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> For our FFL billionaires who have worked so hard by the sweat of their
>> brow (apparently at near light speed) to earn their huge fortune here is
>> a great article:
>> http://consortiumnews.com/2011/06/28/how-greed-destroys-america/
> So Bhairitu, why don't you start your own business and get Rich? Is there 
> something wrong with that?

Is this the voice of experience?  Are you one of the FFL billionaires?

Just starting a business won't make you rich.  It has to be the right 
business at the right time with the right idea.  And you also need to be 
a business freak and not everyone is.

[FairfieldLife] 'Happy Birthday~USA~U-2~johhny'...

[Robert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xB4dbdNSXY&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> Eh, I can't find the exact quote by Alan Wallace quoting
> Davidson as saying "I didn't need to do research to kknow
> this stuff works," but wikipedia points out that this
> isn't really news to many: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Davidson#Research_with_the_Dalai_Lama

Sal won't read it, of course, but one of the references
cited by that portion of the Wikipidia article is a very
good Wired piece on Davidson and the Dalai Lama and how
their close relationship could cause problems for their
meditation research. Here's the last three paragraphs:

"Amid the flurry of Buddhist-inflected inquiry,
however, there's a risk that researchers' beliefs 
and desires will influence the results of their 
experiments. Already the Mind & Life Institute, an 
organization cofounded by the Dalai Lama to foster 
dialog between researchers and mystics, sponsors 
summer programs that are part scientific discourse, 
part Buddhist retreat. These programs, Davidson 
says, are 'producing a hybrid discipline of dharma 
practitioners and scientists.' The scientific method 
is designed to counteract the bias of faith, but 
adulterating scientific objectivity with a first-
person perspective makes it more likely that 
researchers will see what they want to see. 

"A few days before the Dalai Lama addressed the 
Society for Neuroscience, he stood before a 
similarly eminent crowd at the Mind & Life 
Institute's 13th annual meeting. The audience of 
2,500 consisted mostly of scientists and clinicians, 
yet the mood was more dharma than Darwin. Sessions 
opened to the guttural chants of Tibetan liturgical 
music. Everyone stood and bowed when His Holiness 
entered the room. 

"During one presentation, Duke University professor 
of medicine Ralph Snyderman paused to tell His 
Holiness, 'This is one of the most wonderful moments 
of my life, being here with you.' It was a touching 
gesture. It also crystallized the dilemma. 
Scientists can try to test the validity of the Dalai 
Lama's first-person perspective. But if they allow 
reverence for him to cloud their judgment, they will 
cease to be scientists and take rebirth as something 
quite different: acolytes."

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/dalai.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Greed Destroys America

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> For our FFL billionaires who have worked so hard by the sweat of their 
> brow (apparently at near light speed) to earn their huge fortune here is 
> a great article:
> http://consortiumnews.com/2011/06/28/how-greed-destroys-america/

So Bhairitu, why don't you start your own business and get Rich? Is there 
something wrong with that? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Dear Feste36,
> I didn't miss seeing this, and as you will understand, it (and because of 
> where it seemed to come from) was consoling to me. Indeed at the point that I 
> read it, I was seriously considering suspending operations (for at least a 
> week: the proper sentence for having abused my privileges here on FFL). I was 
> not enjoying the persecution, and thought: Do I need this? Your few words 
> restored my spirits somewhat, and I have renewed posting here. So thanks, 
> Feste36.
> MZ



I've been enjoying your posts because of the intense intellectual, spiritual, 
and emotional drama they reveal going on at what sounds like a very exalted 
level of experience. I find these accounts quite remarkable, worthy of a 
Nietzsche or a William Blake, both of whom lived vast inner lives, and very 
dramatic ones, too, where few could follow. It cannot be easy. 

I also found it very interesting, indeed unique from what I know of, to read of 
someone who consciously removed himself from unity consciousness and 
reestablished his identity as a personal, individual self that stands in a 
subordinate relationship to a divine Other. 

This struck a chord with me because my own experience seems to have followed at 
least something of the path you outline, but without the feeling that one 
perspective must be right and the other wrong. By that I do not mean that I 
have ever experienced unity consciousness, but I have all my adult life (I 
started TM when I was 17) imbibed the Indian philosophy of "unity is all there 
is." And thanks to spiritual teachers who showed me how simple it is, I do 
experience myself, whenever I choose, it seems, as existing within a vast 
Nothing that is also myself (there seems to be no other way of describing it)-- 
although I do not experience that Nothing as God. That's not the word that 
comes to mind at all. 

My experience of God -- and it is an unmistakable and quite recent experience, 
unlike anything else I've ever had -- is of a being who is quite Other than me, 
completely separate from me, and yet who knows me intimately, and has infinite 
compassion and a complete lack of judgment about me (neither of which qualities 
have I ever been able to muster by myself to apply to myself), and all without 
making a big deal out of it -- it's very gentle and quiet and simple and 
practical. I find it rather humbling to have such experiences, the most recent 
of which came at a time of crisis, and I don't think I am fooling myself about 
it. I was being guided at that time by a Being who, one would have to say, even 
though it feels rather awkward, is worthy of the name Lord or Heavenly Father, 
just as the Christians say. I did not in any way at that time feel that I was 
being guided by my "higher self," an overused New Age term which is probably 
due for retirement. 

Mind you, I'm not convinced that there is a dichotomy between these two 
perspectives. They are just different viewpoints. 

After all, in the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna early on that the eternal 
is within him. He is, in essence, a part of the one reality and can therefore 
never cease to exist. (I take that to be close to the "Nothing" that I seem to 
be able to experience at will.)

But when Krishna reveals himself to Arjuna in Chapter 11 in his full glory, he 
is a Being who stands wholly apart from Arjuna, superior to him and infinitely 
more vast than he, in every way imaginable. 

Arjuna, then, in addition to receiving the knowledge that he is eternal -- he 
is the vastness of the absolute that cannot, in the nature of things, ever pass 
out of existence -- also has an experience of God as Other, as Not Myself. 

I would like to continue to live with both perspectives. I can feel the 
presence of the Nothing as the Self, but I don't feel that that invalidates an 
I-Thou relationship between the individual person and the all-knowing and 
all-seeing God who knows even when a sparrow falls to the ground. It's a 
paradox in which the individual self may at once know a Unity that brings peace 
and a sense of the vastness of Being, but also an Otherness that is beyond 
anything that the individual self can merge or be at one with. It is just too 
vast to be comprehended. 

Such are my puny musings on a hot humid Saturday night in Fairfield, IA. 

Once again, I have enjoyed your posts, MZ, which are written with such grace 
and conviction and ruthless honesty. I think you are on an amazing journey. 



> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Don't go, Masked Zebra. We love you. You make us think. Usually we just 
> > hurl insults. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Dear Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts,
> > > > because I never knew a

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

> > Frankly, the wife thinks AuthFriend is the only Normie on
> > FFL and said if it wasn't for AuthFriends presence on FFL
> > she would insist I start on my first step ASAP. I guess
> > something like "I'm powerless over FFL and it makes my 
> > life unmanageable"! 
> 
> RESPONSE II: Your wife's judgment about authfriend (I know
> nothing about her except from reading her posts since I
> came onto this forum) an apposite one I think. I have found
> myself taking very seriously her questions directed towards
> me, and find myself in a mode of maximum conscientiousness
> and thoroughness in attempting to answer her (AF's)
> questions. I am impressed with her, then, like your wife is.

You guys are too much. I'm really not sure I'm any normier
than anybody else here (or whether it would be saying much
if I were!), but if that constitutes a vote of confidence,
I appreciate it. We all do what we can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jul 2, 2011, at 4:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > Yes, it is called "researcher bias" and a huge portion of the "scientific 
> > method" is designed to try to compensate for it.
> 
> And the only ones who get taken seriously are
> the ones who succeed at it, with things like
> double-blind studies, etc.
> 
> 
> > It's not just TM researchers who are susceptible to it.
> 
> Of course not.  It's just that they generally do
> *nothing* to compensate for it.
> 
> > Every researcher needs to be on his or her guard. What I find amusing is 
> > that no-one on this forum questions the bias of the researchers who do the 
> > research on the buddhist techniques.
> 
> Who knew there were any?  Sounds like something
> arcane that Vaj would probably know about, but that
> would completely escape anyone else, including many
> members of the scientific community.
> 
> 
> > When people ask them if they are Buddhists, they reply that they don't 
> > practice the whole thing, just the meditation bit. Of course, their bios 
> > mention that they are personal friends with the Dali Lama, have been 
> > involved with scientific research for years on behalf of the Dali Lama, 
> 
> See above.
> 
> > and they are quoted by "practicing" buddhists as saying "I didn't need to 
> > do research to know that this stuff works."
> 
> People quoting researchers who supposedly said
> they don't need to do research?  That would be
> odd, I grant you.  Like to see some of those quotes.
> 
> > But hey, they're not *TM* researchers so they should automatically get a 
> > pass...
> 
> Yawn, this getting tiresome, spare.  See above for 
> at least several reasons why your comment sounds silly.
> I submit nobody knows about these "Buddhist
> researchers," and that few would give them a 
> free pass if they had access to their findings and
> could evaluate them.  People in here have generally
> had decades to familiarize themselves with TM
> research~~such as it is~~and have come to their
> own conclusions (I almost wrote "confusions") 
> concerning the methods used and
> other variables.  Your conclusions differ~~so be it.
> Sal
>

Eh, I can't find the exact quote by Alan Wallace quoting Davidson as saying "I 
didn't need to do research to kknow this stuff works," but wikipedia points out 
that this isn't really news to many: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Davidson#Research_with_the_Dalai_Lama

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[FairfieldLife] How Greed Destroys America

[Bhairitu]

For our FFL billionaires who have worked so hard by the sweat of their 
brow (apparently at near light speed) to earn their huge fortune here is 
a great article:
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/06/28/how-greed-destroys-america/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> 
> A lot of the same creative choices to be made with sound vs. color. Lots of 
> fun.

Yes! :-)

  

> > >> I figured it was stuff in Magritte's head that transcends what I see in 
> > >> it. 

Yes, he probably could have used a therapist for the rapist theme, had such 
been available in his day ... Freud was, I suppose.


> Lazy summer afternoon here. A dry clear 90 with a cooling breeze in the 
> shade. Good day for a margarita.
>
Rather hot and humid here in Fairfield today, with a sweet, faint, musky floral 
scent pervading the air quite reminiscent of the Bahamas, though not the 97 
with extra humidity we had yesterday. Nonetheless, a lovely Art Walk in the 
square last night, with all sorts of unusual food (including Mexican, Indian, 
organic veggies, Ethiopian), music (including both local talent and BYU a 
capella choir), dancing (including some fine belly-dancing as well as 
spontaneous), etcFortunately, it had cooled off a bit with some nice 
breezes by then!

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 4 Bhairitu 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment - AND THE MUSIC

[Denise Evans]

These are compiled in a disk called Arabesque: Various Artists.

In preparation for the 4th of July
Kidda - Natacha Atlas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTsa_HFjzL0

Der Bauch (Other Stuff 2, Part 1 Of 3) 
http://www.last.fm/music/MC+Sultan/_/Der+Bauch+%28Other+Stuff+2%2C+Part+1+Of+3%29

Is anything real?
Caravan - Radar
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmhI1ZHO570






--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, 
Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:54 AM















 
 



  



  
  
  



I had heard of this.



Denise, you came on this forum a short time ago kind of in a pickle and 
uncertain, but more recent posts show a growing confidence, which is really 
nice. Keep it up.



This research was based on mindfulness meditation. TM researchers have been 
avoiding this kind of research because they were told by Maharishi that 
technologies like fMRI would damage the practitioner, but I do not see that 
this is so. As a result, TM research is falling behind the state of the art at 
a rather rapid pace. Buddhists seem to be taking a less protected view of their 
metaphysics.



I also have to reply to authfriend, Judy, concerning this post but as she has 
more intellectual tools to probe sloppy thinking than some others here, and 
will go to the trouble of checking facts, I have to think about it more. Unlike 
her nemesis Barry, she will actually hold an intelligent conversation with 
others. Barry is intelligent too, but he does not seem conversational as in 
interaction with others. His writing style is conversational, but does not seem 
to extend beyond that. I will be out of town for a couple of days and without 
communication, and by that time the forum will probably be on a host of 
different new tracks. If in fact one leaves the forum for more than a few hours 
sometimes, it becomes almost impossible to keep up with it. And that means, one 
needs a life somewhere other than here. 



But thinking out loud here can help clarify what you think you know or show you 
what you do not know because the others here will provide a very diverse 
collection of replies if they are interested in what you say, far more than one 
will get if just talking to one other person.



So stay on and think, and find a way to experience what people are talking 
about here, at least some of the experiences described here are based on 
reality.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:

>

> Read this last night...your brain after meditating

> http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3717&Itemid=0

> 

> --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

> 

> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, 
> Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 9:57 AM

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>   I actually wrote a long reply to this, and in a moment of distraction 
> shut down my browser and lost the whole thing. Such is the distinction of 
> age. Now a few days will pass before I can return to doing much on the forum.

> 

> 

> 

> Let me ask the question my reply was about. What *is* the premise on which 
> science is based that limits it to not being able to discover or measure 
> these things you are mentioning? 

> 

> 

> 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > The premise on which science is based doesn't take into account subtle 
> > mental and physical processes, verified through the senses, that cannot yet 
> > be measured. This results in questions from science like which came first, 
> > the consciousness or the brain? 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Such subtle mental experiences can be experienced directly as the result of 
> > practicing sutras, then embodied as every day experience. These more 
> > refined experiences bridge the question of whether our consciousness exists 
> > as a result of the brain's functioning or not. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > The brain is the source of our consciousness, or more accurately a 
> > wonderful organizer and receptor of consciousness, the unique expression of 
> > which is found in each brain. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > What exists after the material body wears out is a subtle body, with a 
> > brain, our brain, the capacity of which is not always well used in our 
> > grosser material form. This "subtle brain" also carries with it any seeds 
> > of karma into what we know next as death and on into the next life. This 
> > brain nonetheless serves as the instrument, though not the originator, of 
> > consciousness in this body and beyond. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Is the brain a manufacturer of consciou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[whynotnow7]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Happy Saturday! Through musical themes. Transitioning from visual art, 
> > shapes, shades and colors, into music, I find it easier to use 
> > instrumentation vs. lyrics. 
> 
> Cool!

A lot of the same creative choices to be made with sound vs. color. Lots of fun.
> 
> > You were trying to piss someone off by using perspicacious? That doesn't 
> > seem like you. I saw it more as a humorous big word.
> 
> No, I actually wasn't, and yes, that it was! I was just making an attempt at 
> a joke. 

Ahhh got it.
>  
> > I hadn't seen Magritte's "The Rape" before. Seems like a very dramatic 
> > title for a surrealistic portrait.
> 
> There are more layers to it than immediately meet the eye, apparently. I have 
> read that Magritte's mother drowned and when she was pulled out of the water 
> her clothes were above her head, revealing her naked body -- quite disturbing 
> to Magritte, as might be expected. Also, the picture may refer to the 
> (hyper-)sexualization of women by men, in general, and there may well also be 
> phallic overtones to the torso, where it appears to be on the verge of 
> entering the pudenda (the figure's hair).
>
I figured it was stuff in Magritte's head that transcends what I see in it. 

Lazy summer afternoon here. A dry clear 90 with a cooling breeze in the shade. 
Good day for a margarita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Happy Saturday! Through musical themes. Transitioning from visual art, 
> shapes, shades and colors, into music, I find it easier to use 
> instrumentation vs. lyrics. 

Cool!

> You were trying to piss someone off by using perspicacious? That doesn't seem 
> like you. I saw it more as a humorous big word.

No, I actually wasn't, and yes, that it was! I was just making an attempt at a 
joke. 
 
> I hadn't seen Magritte's "The Rape" before. Seems like a very dramatic title 
> for a surrealistic portrait.

There are more layers to it than immediately meet the eye, apparently. I have 
read that Magritte's mother drowned and when she was pulled out of the water 
her clothes were above her head, revealing her naked body -- quite disturbing 
to Magritte, as might be expected. Also, the picture may refer to the 
(hyper-)sexualization of women by men, in general, and there may well also be 
phallic overtones to the torso, where it appears to be on the verge of entering 
the pudenda (the figure's hair).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[whynotnow7]

Happy Saturday! Through musical themes. Transitioning from visual art, shapes, 
shades and colors, into music, I find it easier to use instrumentation vs. 
lyrics. 

You were trying to piss someone off by using perspicacious? That doesn't seem 
like you. I saw it more as a humorous big word.

I hadn't seen Magritte's "The Rape" before. Seems like a very dramatic title 
for a surrealistic portrait.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Building a redemption sequence into a song...! Hmm! With words, or with 
> musical
> themes alone?
> 
> As to Magritte, yes, officer, apparently I did use the word perspicacious. God
> knows why. Probably just to piss off anyone who wants to be pissed off at us 
> for
> being more highfalutin than we SHOULD be. We aim (at least unconsciously) to
> please.
> 
> As to M's bowler-hatted man with green-apple face, yes, that's a fun one!
> Another theme of his I like is the floating rock with castle atop it, and
> another is the painting of a landscape superimposed exactly over the landscape
> it represents.
> 
> And then, speaking of the Victim archetype, there is his anaerobic 
> masterpiece,
> "The Rape"...
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. There is a redemption sequence built into the song. I'll post a
> link to it soon maybe. Thanks Ro-ri!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, Jim!
> > >
> > > It's an interesting question... I tend to see Brown as a saturated version
> of Magenta, the color of the Forestress (or Pisces), whose shadow-side is the
> victim: the confused and betrayed one, who matures through forgiveness and
> temperance into the networker and communal support-group member. One might 
> then
> see Green meeting Brown as a Caregiver (or Priest) helping the Victim mature
> into networking and communion... What about you; how do you see Brown, and how
> do you see Green meeting Brown?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ro-ri! You speak about the green caregiver. What can you say about the
> color brown and its associations? I am putting a song together and decided to
> call it Green Meets Brown, without really knowing "what that means", and I am
> curious since you have already spoken about green and red in ways that make
> effortless sense to me, I am curious about your take on brown. Oh, and this is
> as one pseudo spacetime particle to another, over and out.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Robin,
> > > > >
> > > > > What a beautiful letter from a beautiful soul; the clarity and 
> > > > > integrity
> of your love feels as sweet and gently pervasive as ever -- moreso even. I 
> never
> dreamed you would someday read my account of our interaction; what an odd
> feeling of self-recognition that is! And the occult complexities were just for
> fun, a work of art, an attempted self-portrait, its details (I hope) easily
> ignorable if they don't resonate. I was also at the time still working things
> out, trying to fine-tune a hypothesis which accounted for all the raw data.
> Things have simplfied considerably since then.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel I do understand your need to integrate or account for all of us
> who interact with you. FWIW, sometime within the first few years of my posting
> here, Tom Pall expressed a fervent desire that Homeland Security would take me
> away and shoot me (and please correct me if I am misrepresenting you here, 
> Tom),
> I suspect because I had just described my strong feeling that 9/11 was an 
> inside
> job. But the effect of his posting was beautiful. I felt gut-punched,
> eviscerated, and actually did refrain from posting for a few days while I
> integrated "his" anger and wish that I would die -- in fact, "I" died yet 
> again,
> internally, for those three days.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the result was that I found I had been repressing or ignoring my
> "Tom-persona" while identifying with a "compassionate persona" which appeared 
> to
> be anti-Tom. (In my parlance, I had been ignoring my Red Man or Warrior while
> overemphasizing my Green Man or Compassionate Caregiver. The shadow-side or
> "demonic" of our Red Man is thwarted desire, fury, bullying and even
> indiscriminate killing, which when reintegrated ripens into zeal and a sense 
> of
> divine timing or chronological order). In reintegrating my idea of Tom I found
> my unconditional love for him-Us again, and we have gotten along OK since 
> then.
> (In my world, at least.) :-) Of course this may be of no value to you and have
> nothing whatsoever to do with you or your world, but who knows? I thought I
> would share it anyhow.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Rory,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much for this. There is more of a loving intelligence

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece

[Bhairitu]

Mike, all you're doing is showing how naive you are.  Bill Gates DID NOT 
work hard for his money.  He was in the right place, at the right time 
with the right idea.  In fact he wasn't the only one with the same idea 
and in fact he bought it from someone else (who got $50K).  The 
Judeo-Christian work ethic is just programming to create wage slaves.  
Get over it.

On 07/02/2011 01:30 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> "Most of those people got their money through illicit means anyway"(just a
> tad prejudice)? So let's just take all their money. That should teach them to
> make a profit and  that would be more *spiritual*, right? Thou shalt not 
> covet,
> Bhairitu. Coveting, the ultimate in materialism, desiring  to poses things 
> that
> don't belong to you and that you did not earn by the sweat of your brow.
>
>
>
> 
> From: Bhairitu
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:38:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece
>
>   
> You mean the "money hoarders?" The "me" people? The "materialists?"
> Most of those people got their money through illicit means anyway. This
> world is for the people not those who are greedy and care only about
> wealth. Do you want to be a rich man in a poor country?
>
> On 07/01/2011 10:08 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>> The problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples
>> money. Then what?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: richardjwilliamstexas
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 7:57:34 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> whynotnow7:
>>> I was listening to Radio Pacifica about
>>> what is happening in Greece...
>>>
>> Apparently the economy of Greece is a big
>> Ponzi.
>>
>> Most of the people in Greece work for the
>> government. As the workers get old and
>> retire, there was supposed to be new young
>> workers to take the place of the old, so the
>> old could retire and live off the earnings
>> of the younger ones.
>>
>> The problem is there is no industry - and
>> only a few dollars to be made off of the
>> tourists.
>>
>> Nobody in Greece wants to pay taxes on their
>> earnings, and nobody wants to give up the
>> paid vacations, the free medical care for
>> life, and the retirement pensions.
>>
>> The Greeks seem to like the socialist system
>> now, and they are trying to live off of their
>> past success at capitalism.
>>
>> But, the government ran out of cash and had
>> to borrow money from a bank in order to pay
>> the government workers.
>>
>> Now, the bank wants it's money back plus
>> interest. If the Greeks don't pay up and stop
>> the spending, they will get kicked out of the
>> European Union for running a Ponzi.
>>
>> Quick Quiz:
>>
>> Name one socialist country with a successful
>> economy.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> I actually wrote a long reply to this, and in a moment of 
> distraction shut down my browser and lost the whole thing.
> Such is the distinction of age.

No, it's not! It can happen to anybody, of any age.
It's infuriating.

But most likely you'll find, if and when you get around
to writing it again, it'll be better than the first
version.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with having a fixed POV is...

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> Lip service. Your "preferences" are virtually always
> expressed in judgmental terms. The paragraph above
> is an example.
>
> > Some can't seem to tell the difference between the two.
>
> We *can* tell the difference. We don't buy your dishonest
> disclaimers. You want to have license to be judgmental
> so you can indulge in putdowns, but being judgmental
> doesn't fit the inflated self-image you're constantly
> pushing, so you pretend it's merely preference.
>
> It's entirely possible to express preferences without
> being judgmental, but you don't, or can't, or won't.
> It takes more than just saying "It's a preference" to
> make it a preference; you have to omit the judgment.


Very well said.  The sad, but plain truth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[emptybill]

Yep, them ol' hindoo demons are out to destroy us all. Why, if you say
one of their man-truh names jus' once they'll seize yer soul.

It's only the luckiest souls that will get to join the demons as
their slaves in hell. The other souls, weakened by concupiscence, will
be sucked dry and perish without remainder in the nihil they were
originally created out of by yhvh.

Read it and weep. For yer soul.

.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:

> > I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children
Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An
obviously sincere and heroic character, this priest nevertheless (it's
not his fault: his Church can't deliver on the goods regarding God like
TM can; and this became obvious to him, which is why he made that most
ironic of decisions: to became a TM Teacher) is betraying Christ as it
were. Else why have Saint Francis Xavier destroying the Hindu statues in
India in the 16th century—all the while moving and acting within a
brilliant supernatural grace? Now those Hindu statues have been
invisibly erected inside the interiority of his priesthood.
> >
> > But this, of course, authfriend, is the current dilemma of the
Catholic Church, and this priest but an innocent victim. His Catholicism
cannot provide him with the verification of the truth of his religion,
so he has turned elsewhere, and become, within his calling as a priest,
a bloody TM initiator. Someone teaching children to worship a Hindu god
(praying to their mantra). Whereas, according to
orthodox—pre-Vatican II—belief, these Hindu gods are fallen
angels in disguise—and are thus banished from heaven, and are the
enemies of the immortal soul of this Brazilian priest.
>
>
> Like I said MZ; you definately need a checking.
> No, make that 3.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[Mike Dixon]

So TM had little *job satisfaction* influence in your life?





From: Denise Evans 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 10:04:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
government shuts down

  
A 21st century slave society 

My last two years in corporate america were spent repeating to myself that I 
was 
a "slave", which wasn't far from the truth

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Bhairitu  wrote:


>From: Bhairitu 
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
>government shuts down
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:00 AM
>
>
>  
>The Republicans are doing this to buy the country for pennies on the 
>dollar. They are materialists who focus only on wealth. They want to 
>regain their ancestral legacy of being feudal landlords. They've been 
>trying to do this ever since the US was founded. And I won't be an 
>obedient serf (and no one else should either).
>
>On 07/02/2011 09:35 AM, Denise Evans wrote:
>> The link below has some interesting info on the influence of the Koch 
>> brothers 
>>in taking down the government, etc. 
>>
>> What I don't understand is...what is the end game of the Republican 
>>philosophy...if the working class go down, so does the country...we already 
>>are 
>>going down...what is the purpose...what is the gain? The U.S. definitely 
>>won't 
>>be able to retain the facade of "most powerful country." 
>>
>> Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this country in the future, if 
>> the 
>>Republican's get their way. 
>>
>> www.bravenewfoundation.org
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>> From: Bhairitu
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - 
>> Minnesota 
>>government shuts down
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:45 PM
>>
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>> On 07/01/2011 06:21 PM, authfriend wrote:
>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
 The Republicans are becoming more aggressive in pursuing
 their agenda. It's the American version of suicide bombing.
 The Minnesota government shutdown is just a preview of what
 the Republicans will do at the national level.
 In general, both major parties at the national level need to
 forsake their ideologies in order the solve the bigger
 problem of national government deficit spending and the
 mounting national debt.
>>> That isn't the bigger problem. The bigger problem is
>>> unemployment and its consequences throughout the economy.
>>> We need *more* government spending--MUCH more--not less,
>>> for the economy to be strong enough to fix the deficit.
>>
>>
>> They don't seem to have much trouble spending on blowing up things.
>>
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece

[Mike Dixon]

"Most of those people got their money through illicit means anyway"(just a 
tad prejudice)? So let's just take all their money. That should teach them to 
make a profit and  that would be more *spiritual*, right? Thou shalt not covet, 
Bhairitu. Coveting, the ultimate in materialism, desiring  to poses things that 
don't belong to you and that you did not earn by the sweat of your brow.




From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 11:38:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece

  
You mean the "money hoarders?" The "me" people? The "materialists?" 
Most of those people got their money through illicit means anyway. This 
world is for the people not those who are greedy and care only about 
wealth. Do you want to be a rich man in a poor country?

On 07/01/2011 10:08 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> The problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples
> money. Then what?
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: richardjwilliamstexas
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 7:57:34 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Protests in Greece
>
> 
>
>
> whynotnow7:
>> I was listening to Radio Pacifica about
>> what is happening in Greece...
>>
> Apparently the economy of Greece is a big
> Ponzi.
>
> Most of the people in Greece work for the
> government. As the workers get old and
> retire, there was supposed to be new young
> workers to take the place of the old, so the
> old could retire and live off the earnings
> of the younger ones.
>
> The problem is there is no industry - and
> only a few dollars to be made off of the
> tourists.
>
> Nobody in Greece wants to pay taxes on their
> earnings, and nobody wants to give up the
> paid vacations, the free medical care for
> life, and the retirement pensions.
>
> The Greeks seem to like the socialist system
> now, and they are trying to live off of their
> past success at capitalism.
>
> But, the government ran out of cash and had
> to borrow money from a bank in order to pay
> the government workers.
>
> Now, the bank wants it's money back plus
> interest. If the Greeks don't pay up and stop
> the spending, they will get kicked out of the
> European Union for running a Ponzi.
>
> Quick Quiz:
>
> Name one socialist country with a successful
> economy.
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] We tried it their way and Republicans pretend it never happened

[do.rflex]

Kevin Drum looks back on the last decade:

 Republicans got the tax cuts they wanted. They got the financial
 deregulation they wanted. They got the wars they wanted. They got
 the unfunded spending increases they wanted.

 And the results were completely, unrelentingly disastrous.

 - A decade of sluggish growth and near-zero wage increases.

 - A massive housing bubble.

 - Trillions of dollars in war spending and thousands of American
lives lost.

 - A financial collapse.

 - A soaring long-term deficit.

 - Sky-high unemployment.

 All on their watch and all due to policies they eagerly supported.

 And even worse, ever since the predictable results of their
 recklessness came crashing down, they've rabidly and nearly
 unanimously opposed every single attempt to dig ourselves out of
 the hole they created for us.

 But despite the fact that this is all recent history, it's
treated
 like some kind of dreamscape.

 No one talks about it.

 Republicans pretend it never happened.

 Fox News insists that what we need is an even bigger dose of the
 medicine we got in the aughts, and this is, inexplicably, treated
 seriously by the rest of the press corps instead of being laughed
 at.

Via Washington Monthly - More at link:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/we_tried_it_th\
eir_way030646.php

[FairfieldLife] RE: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[Rick Archer]

From: wle...@aol.com [mailto:wle...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 7:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Cc: r...@searchsummit.com
Subject: Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

 

Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing
  

 

Interesting article. I don't think anyone's intentionally trying to create
nuclear accidents, but such accidents are bound to happen. It's a technology
that never should have been implemented. Those who did so were
short-sighted.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[Bhairitu]

I was lucky in that I went to work from being a contractor for a firm to 
working in house and the founder was into "New Age" stuff and wanted to 
run a "hip" company so it was more democratic  to a fault.  I wound 
up trying to herd cats that had wondered off the path.  What I learned 
from that was to be more black and white in expectations so that 
employees wouldn't get themselves in trouble and blow deadlines.   There 
has to be a balance but keeping your employees happy makes for good 
products, happy customers and no unions trying to organize your place.  
Not to say there is anything wrong with unions (though I wasn't 
impressed with the AFM which I was a member of) as they arose to fit a 
need where employers were unscrupulous.  Unfortunately (as in the case 
of the AFM) they become self serving when they are no longer needed.

What happens is this old feudal way of thinking that so many 
corporations have or the "thems the rules" mentality.  I worked in 
places as a temp where I saw employer abuse (they weren't allowed to do 
those things to temps).

On 07/02/2011 10:04 AM, Denise Evans wrote:
> A 21st century slave society
> My last two years in corporate america were spent repeating to myself that I 
> was a "slave", which wasn't far from the truth
>
> -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tom, MZ and The I Ching

[Bob Price]

Ravi,

I want to thank you for your heart felt response to my post. Even more so as I 
know you were getting close to your limit and there were so many other more 
interesting topics to jump in to. You're a generous soul which, for me, says 
everything about your state of consciousness. 

Starting a new threat can be a very heart-rending business. I'm trying my level 
best to be relevant on FFL but frankly I'm not sure I'm up to the task. I 
understand Tom ignoring me, he decided to take the high road which was no 
surprise as I always suspected he's a better man than I am. But what hurts, I 
mean really hurts, is that my UN-master appears to be ignoring me along with 
just about everyone else on FFL. This stings, like the lash of a whip or a kiss 
from Scarlett Johansson (sort of a quote from Hans Seyle, another great 
Canadian-although he never claimed UC-and frankly I never thought he had the 
commercial potential of our Canadian).

Looking closer at this overwhelming sense of abandonment I'm feeling (isn't 
there another Vedic myth that addresses this also) I can't help thinking of one 
of my hero's on FFL. Of course, that would be Rick Archer. I think Rick has 
done 
more for freedom of speech than Rupert Murdoch, GE, Disney and Garner Ted 
Armstrong combined. But in with many Hero-admirer relationships (IE. my 
relationship with MZ) there is a little jealousy from the admirers side of 
things. Don't get me wrong I'm not jealous of Ricks success with BatGap. I love 
BatGap but I think my upcoming pod-cast, Zombie in my Gas Tank is a comer (like 
with enlightenment I think narcissism is a growth industry). No its not that. 
What I'm green eyed with envy about is Rick's incredible talent for staying 
away 
from FFL for weeks at a time (I suspect unlike most of us on FFL, he actually 
has a life) and then checking in to see how much blood needs to be cleaned up 
and then lobs in a bone of some kind, usually not wasting anything with meat on 
it, and voila we get a 2 to 300 post thread. How the hell does Rick do it? I 
mean we know how my UN-master does it, he's actually famous. OK, some would say 
notorious but I think famous is closer to the mark. And granted, Turq is good, 
possibly great. But I think the way Turq has grabbed the Goddess Nemeses fancy 
is no more than a niche market. Rick on the other hand is at least cosmic, if 
not godly, in his ability to do less and accomplish something truly incredible. 
Me on the other rely on the kindness of strangers like you and Rory. Don't get 
me wrong, if I'm going to be loved I want it to be from people with heart. 

So Ravi, as I'm sure you've surmised I'm a bit down in the dumps. I'm worried 
that MZ is thinking Ive gone over to the dark side and with my challenging 
syntax I'm not even worth the bother. Now that he's throwing punches with real 
contenders I'm not worth the bother. Well I don't think its true that I don't 
know how to ask a real question. I met Krishnamurti twice (in fact, both times 
for a week) so i definitely know how to ask a question. I think everyone would 
agree there are a few of my questions hanging out there for MZ. Granted some of 
them weren't weren't worth the bother but frankly I think my question about 
transcending and snoring is up there with "What was your face before your 
parents were born"? 

And as I've said more than once I have lots more questions were that came from. 
Like what does he think of 312 AD as in the Milvian Bridge as the foundation of 
what we know as Roman Catholicism? More specifically, what does he think of 
Constantine murdering his son Crispus and scalding his wife Fausta to death 
while he was trying to keep Athanasius and Arius from each other throats at the 
Council of Nicaea so they settle down and pick the best 4 of the 27 gospels on 
the table on time. I understood as a worshipper of Apolo he thought 4 were the 
ticket. Again I got collection plate full of these. And I hope MZ doesn't think 
I'm just another non dualist. Not true, I learned some time ago that there is a 
God and its not me!

LOL Ravi. 




From: Ravi Yogi 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 1:09:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tom, MZ and The I Ching

  
Bob, OMG, where have you been hiding all these days Bob - love the sarcasm and 
humor in your post - please keep posting - yeah Tom Pall and all that. Welcome 
back to FFL !!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Tom,
> 
> I don't think you know me and I hope I don't upset you, heaven forbid. But 
> I've 
>
> been pondering most of the night about how I could do something positive to 
>help 
>
> Tom and MZ's relationship. More specifically, how I might convince you to 
> make 

> amends to MZ. 
> 
> But before I go on, if you've read any of my stuff you know I'm a terrible 
> digress'er (SIC), I have to take exception with something I thought you said. 
> I 
>
> may have misunderstood, but did 

[FairfieldLife] Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: A question for MZ...)

[RoryGoff]

Building a redemption sequence into a song...! Hmm! With words, or with musical
themes alone?

As to Magritte, yes, officer, apparently I did use the word perspicacious. God
knows why. Probably just to piss off anyone who wants to be pissed off at us for
being more highfalutin than we SHOULD be. We aim (at least unconsciously) to
please.

As to M's bowler-hatted man with green-apple face, yes, that's a fun one!
Another theme of his I like is the floating rock with castle atop it, and
another is the painting of a landscape superimposed exactly over the landscape
it represents.

And then, speaking of the Victim archetype, there is his anaerobic masterpiece,
"The Rape"...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Interesting. There is a redemption sequence built into the song. I'll post a
link to it soon maybe. Thanks Ro-ri!
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Jim!
> >
> > It's an interesting question... I tend to see Brown as a saturated version
of Magenta, the color of the Forestress (or Pisces), whose shadow-side is the
victim: the confused and betrayed one, who matures through forgiveness and
temperance into the networker and communal support-group member. One might then
see Green meeting Brown as a Caregiver (or Priest) helping the Victim mature
into networking and communion... What about you; how do you see Brown, and how
do you see Green meeting Brown?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ro-ri! You speak about the green caregiver. What can you say about the
color brown and its associations? I am putting a song together and decided to
call it Green Meets Brown, without really knowing "what that means", and I am
curious since you have already spoken about green and red in ways that make
effortless sense to me, I am curious about your take on brown. Oh, and this is
as one pseudo spacetime particle to another, over and out.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Robin,
> > > >
> > > > What a beautiful letter from a beautiful soul; the clarity and integrity
of your love feels as sweet and gently pervasive as ever -- moreso even. I never
dreamed you would someday read my account of our interaction; what an odd
feeling of self-recognition that is! And the occult complexities were just for
fun, a work of art, an attempted self-portrait, its details (I hope) easily
ignorable if they don't resonate. I was also at the time still working things
out, trying to fine-tune a hypothesis which accounted for all the raw data.
Things have simplfied considerably since then.
> > > >
> > > > I feel I do understand your need to integrate or account for all of us
who interact with you. FWIW, sometime within the first few years of my posting
here, Tom Pall expressed a fervent desire that Homeland Security would take me
away and shoot me (and please correct me if I am misrepresenting you here, Tom),
I suspect because I had just described my strong feeling that 9/11 was an inside
job. But the effect of his posting was beautiful. I felt gut-punched,
eviscerated, and actually did refrain from posting for a few days while I
integrated "his" anger and wish that I would die -- in fact, "I" died yet again,
internally, for those three days.
> > > >
> > > > And the result was that I found I had been repressing or ignoring my
"Tom-persona" while identifying with a "compassionate persona" which appeared to
be anti-Tom. (In my parlance, I had been ignoring my Red Man or Warrior while
overemphasizing my Green Man or Compassionate Caregiver. The shadow-side or
"demonic" of our Red Man is thwarted desire, fury, bullying and even
indiscriminate killing, which when reintegrated ripens into zeal and a sense of
divine timing or chronological order). In reintegrating my idea of Tom I found
my unconditional love for him-Us again, and we have gotten along OK since then.
(In my world, at least.) :-) Of course this may be of no value to you and have
nothing whatsoever to do with you or your world, but who knows? I thought I
would share it anyhow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> > > > > Dear Rory,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much for this. There is more of a loving intelligence
that comes through your writing (and that description of your encounter with me
back in 1982, well, it's so fair and objective and generous, I have always
appreciated how you attempted to get at the truth (or the reality) of what was
going on between us then).
> > > > >
> > > > > When someone responds positively to one, and there is real feeling
there, it seems as if the universe itself is being friendly. In what you have
said here, there is nothing but a true person speaking unaffectedly—your
sincerity gets through to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question remains, however, whether Tom Pall's judgment of me is
equally sincere, not to say objectively true. I can't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Archetypes, Music and Magritte (was: another question for MZ, ...)

[RoryGoff]

Building a redemption sequence into a song...! Hmm! With words, or with musical 
themes alone?

As to Magritte, yes, officer, apparently I did use the word perspicacious. God 
knows why. Probably just to piss off anyone who wants to be pissed off at us 
for being more highfalutin than we SHOULD be. We aim (at least unconsciously) 
to please.

As to M's bowler-hatted man with green-apple face, yes, that's a fun one! 
Another theme of his I like is the floating rock with castle atop it, and 
another is the painting of a landscape superimposed exactly over the landscape 
it represents. 

And then, speaking of the Victim archetype, there is his anaerobic masterpiece, 
"The Rape"...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Interesting. There is a redemption sequence built into the song. I'll post a 
> link to it soon maybe. Thanks Ro-ri! 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Jim! 
> > 
> > It's an interesting question... I tend to see Brown as a saturated version 
> > of Magenta, the color of the Forestress (or Pisces), whose shadow-side is 
> > the victim: the confused and betrayed one, who matures through forgiveness 
> > and temperance into the networker and communal support-group member. One 
> > might then see Green meeting Brown as a Caregiver  (or Priest) helping the 
> > Victim mature into networking and communion... What about you; how do you 
> > see Brown, and how do you see Green meeting Brown?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ro-ri! You speak about the green caregiver. What can you say about the 
> > > color brown and its associations? I am putting a song together and 
> > > decided to call it Green Meets Brown, without really knowing "what that 
> > > means", and I am curious since you have already spoken about green and 
> > > red in ways that make effortless sense to me, I am curious about your 
> > > take on brown. Oh, and this is as one pseudo spacetime particle to 
> > > another, over and out.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Robin,
> > > > 
> > > > What a beautiful letter from a beautiful soul; the clarity and 
> > > > integrity of your love feels as sweet and gently pervasive as ever -- 
> > > > moreso even. I never dreamed you would someday read my account of our 
> > > > interaction; what an odd feeling of self-recognition that is! And the 
> > > > occult complexities were just for fun, a work of art, an attempted 
> > > > self-portrait, its details (I hope) easily ignorable if they don't 
> > > > resonate. I was also at the time still working things out, trying to 
> > > > fine-tune a hypothesis which accounted for all the raw data. Things 
> > > > have simplfied considerably since then.
> > > > 
> > > > I feel I do understand your need to integrate or account for all of us 
> > > > who interact with you. FWIW, sometime within the first few years of my 
> > > > posting here, Tom Pall expressed a fervent desire that Homeland 
> > > > Security would take me away and shoot me (and please correct me if I am 
> > > > misrepresenting you here, Tom), I suspect because I had just described 
> > > > my strong feeling that 9/11 was an inside job. But the effect of his 
> > > > posting was beautiful. I felt gut-punched, eviscerated, and actually 
> > > > did refrain from posting for a few days while I integrated "his" anger 
> > > > and wish that I would die -- in fact, "I" died yet again, internally, 
> > > > for those three days. 
> > > > 
> > > > And the result was that I found I had been repressing or ignoring my 
> > > > "Tom-persona" while identifying with a "compassionate persona" which 
> > > > appeared to be anti-Tom. (In my parlance, I had been ignoring my Red 
> > > > Man or Warrior while overemphasizing my Green Man or Compassionate 
> > > > Caregiver. The shadow-side or "demonic" of our Red Man is thwarted 
> > > > desire, fury, bullying and even indiscriminate killing, which when 
> > > > reintegrated ripens into zeal and a sense of divine timing or 
> > > > chronological order). In reintegrating my idea of Tom I found my 
> > > > unconditional love for him-Us again, and we have gotten along OK since 
> > > > then. (In my world, at least.) :-) Of course this may be of no value to 
> > > > you and have nothing whatsoever to do with you or your world, but who 
> > > > knows? I thought I would share it anyhow.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> > > > > Dear Rory,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you very much for this. There is more of a loving intelligence 
> > > > > that comes through your writing (and that description of your 
> > > > > encounter with me back in 1982, well, it's so fair and objective and 
> > > > > generous, I have always appreciated how you attempted to get at the 
> > > > > truth (or the reality) of what was going on between us then).
> > > > > 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
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> A 21st century slave society
> My last two years in corporate america were spent repeating to myself that I 
> was a "slave", which wasn't far from the truth
> 



Michael Tomasky in the Daily Beast tells Why the GOP Loves the Debt:


"They scream about 'crisis' because
what they desire is to use the 'crisis'
as an excuse to do things to this country
that the hard right has wanted to do
for 30 years."


The GOP House speaker in Minnesota is quoted in the Star-Tribune today 
inveighing against saddling future generations with debt. I don't know the man, 
so I'll allow for the possibility that he's sincere. But at the highest levels, 
the Republican Party cares nothing about the public debt. In fact, it wants 
more. Americans must understand this.

It is the party of debt. It is the party of deficits. It is the party of 
recession. It is the party of unemployment. It is the party of inequality. And 
it is the party of middle-class stagnation and slippage.

It is the party of all these things because it needs these conditions to 
exist—so that its leaders can scream "Crisis!" But they don't desire in any 
meaningful way to fix the crisis.

They scream about crisis because what they desire is to use the crisis as an 
excuse to do things to this country that the hard right has wanted to do for 30 
years.

We see it all over the place. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and Ohio Governor 
John Kasich could have behaved more like other governors around the country 
who've won labor concessions, like New York Democrat Andrew Cuomo.

But they sought to go much farther with their "emergency" bills. Why? Well, as 
long as there's an economic emergency, they can just repeat "Crisis! Crisis! 
Crisis!" and a certain percentage of the public and the gullible and hopeful 
media, which refuses to believe that governmental leaders can possibly be as 
deceitful as these people are, will buy it.

Read the whole thing here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/01/the-gop-party-of-debt-and-deficits.html






> --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> From: Bhairitu 
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
> government shuts down
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:00 AM
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> On 07/02/2011 09:35 AM, Denise Evans wrote:
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> > The link below has some interesting info on the influence of the Koch 
> > brothers in taking down the government, etc.  
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> > What I don't understand is...what is the end game of the Republican 
> > philosophy...if the working class go down, so does the country...we already 
> > are going down...what is the purpose...what is the gain?  The U.S. 
> > definitely won't be able to retain the facade of "most powerful country."  
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> > Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this country in the future, if 
> > the Republican's get their way.  
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> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - 
> > Minnesota government shuts down
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > The Republicans are becoming more aggressive in pursuing
> > their agenda.  It's the American version of suicide bombing.
> > The Minnesota government shutdown is just a preview of what
> > the Republicans will do at the national level.
> > 
> > In general, both major parties at the national level need to
> > forsake their ideologies in order the solve the bigger
> > problem of national government deficit spending and the
> > mounting national debt.
> 
> That isn't the bigger problem. The bigger problem is
> unemployment and its consequences throughout the economy.
> 
> We need *more* government spending--MUCH more--not less,
> for the economy to be strong enough to fix the deficit.

Judy,

It takes two parties to tango in this American system.  If the Republicans and 
the Democrats don't agree on the solution, there is no DANCE.




>

[FairfieldLife] solve americas problems

[merlin]

http://www.solveamericasproblems.com/read.php?8,27101,27101

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[Tom Pall]

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:36 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
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> > I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children
> Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously
> sincere and heroic character, this priest nevertheless (it's not his fault:
> his Church can't deliver on the goods regarding God like TM can; and this
> became obvious to him, which is why he made that most ironic of decisions:
> to became a TM Teacher) is betraying Christ as it were. Else why have Saint
> Francis Xavier destroying the Hindu statues in India in the 16th century—all
> the while moving and acting within a brilliant supernatural grace? Now those
> Hindu statues have been invisibly erected inside the interiority of his
> priesthood.
> >
> > But this, of course, authfriend, is the current dilemma of the Catholic
> Church, and this priest but an innocent victim. His Catholicism cannot
> provide him with the verification of the truth of his religion, so he has
> turned elsewhere, and become, within his calling as a priest, a bloody TM
> initiator. Someone teaching children to worship a Hindu god (praying to
> their mantra). Whereas, according to orthodox—pre-Vatican II—belief, these
> Hindu gods are fallen angels in disguise—and are thus banished from heaven,
> and are the enemies of the immortal soul of this Brazilian priest.
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> Like I said MZ;  you definately need a checking.
> No, make that 3.
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And a run through a Beowulfian syntax and allusion checker.  It does appear
that he actually can at times not be carried away with his delusions of
grandeur and write short, cogent sentences which hang together.

Gotta send an email to Gmail asking them to create a flamboyant, schizo
syntax detector lab that can be used to flag b.s. emails, perhaps by changed
the color scheme on them to white on white or black on black.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I had heard of this.

Denise, you came on this forum a short time ago kind of in a pickle and 
uncertain, but more recent posts show a growing confidence, which is really 
nice. Keep it up.

This research was based on mindfulness meditation. TM researchers have been 
avoiding this kind of research because they were told by Maharishi that 
technologies like fMRI would damage the practitioner, but I do not see that 
this is so. As a result, TM research is falling behind the state of the art at 
a rather rapid pace. Buddhists seem to be taking a less protected view of their 
metaphysics.

I also have to reply to authfriend, Judy, concerning this post but as she has 
more intellectual tools to probe sloppy thinking than some others here, and 
will go to the trouble of checking facts, I have to think about it more. Unlike 
her nemesis Barry, she will actually hold an intelligent conversation with 
others. Barry is intelligent too, but he does not seem conversational as in 
interaction with others. His writing style is conversational, but does not seem 
to extend beyond that. I will be out of town for a couple of days and without 
communication, and by that time the forum will probably be on a host of 
different new tracks. If in fact one leaves the forum for more than a few hours 
sometimes, it becomes almost impossible to keep up with it. And that means, one 
needs a life somewhere other than here. 

But thinking out loud here can help clarify what you think you know or show you 
what you do not know because the others here will provide a very diverse 
collection of replies if they are interested in what you say, far more than one 
will get if just talking to one other person.

So stay on and think, and find a way to experience what people are talking 
about here, at least some of the experiences described here are based on 
reality.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
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> Read this last night...your brain after meditating
> http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3717&Itemid=0
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> --- On Sat, 7/2/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
> 
> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, 
> Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 9:57 AM
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> Let me ask the question my reply was about. What *is* the premise on which 
> science is based that limits it to not being able to discover or measure 
> these things you are mentioning? 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
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> > The premise on which science is based doesn't take into account subtle 
> > mental and physical processes, verified through the senses, that cannot yet 
> > be measured. This results in questions from science like which came first, 
> > the consciousness or the brain? 
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> > Such subtle mental experiences can be experienced directly as the result of 
> > practicing sutras, then embodied as every day experience. These more 
> > refined experiences bridge the question of whether our consciousness exists 
> > as a result of the brain's functioning or not. 
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> > wonderful organizer and receptor of consciousness, the unique expression of 
> > which is found in each brain. 
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> > brain, our brain, the capacity of which is not always well used in our 
> > grosser material form. This "subtle brain" also carries with it any seeds 
> > of karma into what we know next as death and on into the next life. This 
> > brain nonetheless serves as the instrument, though not the originator, of 
> > consciousness in this body and beyond. 
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> > wonderful distiller of universal consciousness into a form that is 
> > comprehensible and operates well, for each of us with our unique inputs and 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
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> > > Gonna take little bites off this dissertation...
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
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> > > > Judy (authfriend):
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> > > > > Let's not forget that for all science has discovered about
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> > > > > the brain, it hasn't yet begun to solve the "hard problem"
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> > > > > of the nature of consciousness itself. There are lots of
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> > > > > theories but no consensus, not even on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sai Baba's Legacy: Death Threats & Scandal

[Denise Evans]

These statements from the Guru Papers are good reminders
It appears that almost without exception..the various guru organizations 
devolve to authoritarian regimes in the endregardless of the 
"enlightenment" factorguru's appear to all demonstrate that they are human 
in the end.  I like this quote in particular
The person most at risk of being strangled by the images
demanded by the role of the guru is the guru. This includes the
great danger of emotional isolation. . . At the heart of the ultimate
trap is building and becoming attached to the image of oneself
as having arrived at a state where self-delusion is no longer
possible. This is the most treacherous form of self-delusion and
a veritable breeding ground of hypocrisy and deception. It creates
a feedback-proof system where the guru always needs to be right
and cannot be open to being shown wrong – which is where
learning comes from.” (p.107)
I realize the Amma followers believe she is "benign"but full-on devotees 
are different and exhibit many of the characteristics and detail many of the 
experiences in the few accounts available of a "cult follower" than "peripheral 
followers" "taking what they like and leaving the rest."  I don't actually like 
that phrase particularlyit's important to explore the whole picture.


The following quotes are taken from Part One of the Guru Papers
and are deemed by ex-members to be strikingly accurate in describing
the dynamics of a cult guru.“If an authority not only expects to be obeyed 
without
question, but either punishes or refuses to deal with those who
do not, that authority is authoritarian.” (p.15)“Gurus can arouse intense 
emotions as there is extraordinary
passion in surrendering to what one perceives as a living God.”
(p.33)“In the East a guru is more than a teacher. He is a doorway
that supposedly allows one to enter into a more profound relationship
with the spiritual. A necessary step becomes acknowledging the
guru’s specialness and mastery over that which one wishes
to attain. The message is that to be a really serious student,
spiritual realization must be the primary concern. Therefore,
one’s relationship with the guru must, in time, become one’s
prime emotional bond, with all others viewed as secondary. In
fact, typically other relationships are pejoratively referred
to as ‘attachments.’” (p.49)“So although most gurus preach detachment, 
disciples become
attached to having the guru as their center, whereas the guru
becomes attached to having the power of being others’ center.”
(p.50)“When abuses are publicly exposed, the leader either denies
or justifies the behaviors by saying that ‘enemies of the
truth’ or ‘the forces of evil’ are trying to
subvert his true message. Core members of the group have a huge
vested interest in believing him, as their identity is wrapped
up in believing in his righteousness. Those who begin to doubt
him at first become confused and depressed, and later feel betrayed
and angry. The ways people deny and justify are similar: Since
supposedly no one who is not enlightened can truly understand
the motives of one who is, any criticism can be discounted as
a limited perspective. Also, any behavior on the part of the guru,
no matter how base, can be imputed to be some secret teaching
or message that needs deciphering.”“So disciples believe they are loved 
unconditionally, even
though this love is conditional on continued surrender. Disciples
in the throes of surrender feel they have given up their past,
and do not, consciously at least, fear the future. . . Feeling
totally cared for and accepted, at the universe’s center,
powerful, and seemingly unafraid of the future are all achieved
at the price of giving one’s power to another, thus remaining
essentially a child.” (p56)“It is not at all unusual to be in an authoritarian 
relationship
and not know it. In fact, knowing it can interfere with surrender.
Any of the following are strong indications of belonging to an
authoritarian group:1. No deviation from the party line is allowed. Anyone who 
has
thoughts or feelings contrary to the accepted perspective is made
to feel wrong or bad for having them.2. Whatever the authority does is regarded 
as perfect or right.
Thus behaviors that would be questioned in others are made to
seem different and proper.3. One trusts that the leader or others in the group 
know what’s
best.4. It is difficult to communicate with anyone not in the group.5. One 
finds oneself defending actions of the leader (or other
members) without having firsthand knowledge of what occurred.6. At times one is 
confused and fearful without knowing why. This
is a sign that doubts are being repressed.” (p.57)“The power of conversion 
experiences lies in the psychological
shift from confusion to certainty.” (p.65)“People whose power is based on the 
surrender of others
develop a repertoire of techniques for deflecting and undermining
anything that questions or challenges their status, behavio

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

Dear Feste36,
I didn't miss seeing this, and as you will understand, it (and because of where 
it seemed to come from) was consoling to me. Indeed at the point that I read 
it, I was seriously considering suspending operations (for at least a week: the 
proper sentence for having abused my privileges here on FFL). I was not 
enjoying the persecution, and thought: Do I need this? Your few words restored 
my spirits somewhat, and I have renewed posting here. So thanks, Feste36.
MZ

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
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> Don't go, Masked Zebra. We love you. You make us think. Usually we just hurl 
> insults. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, maskedzebra 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Tom,
> > >
> > > Just to clear one thing up. I never paid any attention to post counts,
> > > because I never knew anything about limits. I probably should have; no 
> > > doubt
> > > I was sent this information. But if ignorance is no excuse under the law,
> > > you at least should know that I was plumb dumb about this regulation, and 
> > > it
> > > did not seem indulgent for the authorities to overlook this initial 
> > > flouting
> > > of the rules, when, as a recent arrival in this country (FFL), I had no 
> > > idea
> > > that there were any binding laws of the road. And besides, I found myself,
> > > once I began posting, having to fend off or respond to a multitude of
> > > voices, each one more or less making a demand upon me to clarify, to prove
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > Of course had I known about the rule, you may be sure I would have
> > > conformed. And since it is the spirit not the letter of the law that 
> > > counts,
> > > are you willing to say that, in suspending the normal punishment when it
> > > came to me, the editors at FFL violated your sense of justice?
> > >
> > > Because if this is your experience, I am willing, in being sincerely
> > > convinced of this conviction of yours, to TAKE THE NEXT WEEK OFF FROM
> > > POSTING.
> > >
> > >
> > RC, don't place limits on yourself like that.  Take next week and the week
> > after and the week after.
> > 
> > But Nature's already taking its course.  You're quickly becoming irrelevant
> > here just as you've become irrelevant wherever you've squatted.  Soon all
> > that be left behind will be some rotting turds, a God awful stench and
> > flies.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Would it seem a more just universe if I did this? I assure you I am 
> > > willing
> > > to bear the consequences of my actions.
> > >
> > > MZ
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[Denise Evans]

A 21st century slave society
My last two years in corporate america were spent repeating to myself that I 
was a "slave", which wasn't far from the truth

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Bhairitu  wrote:

From: Bhairitu 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
government shuts down
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 10:00 AM















 
 



  



  
  
  The Republicans are doing this to buy the country for pennies on the 

dollar.  They are materialists who focus only on wealth.   They want to 

regain their ancestral legacy of being feudal landlords.  They've been 

trying to do this ever since the US was founded.  And I won't be an 

obedient serf (and no one else should either).



On 07/02/2011 09:35 AM, Denise Evans wrote:

> The link below has some interesting info on the influence of the Koch 
> brothers in taking down the government, etc.  

> What I don't understand is...what is the end game of the Republican 
> philosophy...if the working class go down, so does the country...we already 
> are going down...what is the purpose...what is the gain?  The U.S. definitely 
> won't be able to retain the facade of "most powerful country."  

> Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this country in the future, if 
> the Republican's get their way.  

> www.bravenewfoundation.org

>

>

> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Bhairitu  wrote:

>

> From: Bhairitu

> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
> government shuts down

> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:45 PM

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>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"   wrote:

>>> The Republicans are becoming more aggressive in pursuing

>>> their agenda.  It's the American version of suicide bombing.

>>> The Minnesota government shutdown is just a preview of what

>>> the Republicans will do at the national level.

>>> In general, both major parties at the national level need to

>>> forsake their ideologies in order the solve the bigger

>>> problem of national government deficit spending and the

>>> mounting national debt.

>> That isn't the bigger problem. The bigger problem is

>> unemployment and its consequences throughout the economy.

>> We need *more* government spending--MUCH more--not less,

>> for the economy to be strong enough to fix the deficit.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> 
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> > 
> > I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children 
> > Transcendental Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously 
> > sincere and heroic character, this priest nevertheless (it's not his fault: 
> > his Church can't deliver on the goods regarding God like TM can; and this 
> > became obvious to him, which is why he made that most ironic of decisions: 
> > to became a TM Teacher) is betraying Christ as it were. Else why have Saint 
> > Francis Xavier destroying the Hindu statues in India in the 16th 
> > century—all the while moving and acting within a brilliant supernatural 
> > grace? Now those Hindu statues have been invisibly erected inside the 
> > interiority of his priesthood.
> > 
> > But this, of course, authfriend, is the current dilemma of the Catholic 
> > Church, and this priest but an innocent victim. His Catholicism cannot 
> > provide him with the verification of the truth of his religion, so he has 
> > turned elsewhere, and become, within his calling as a priest, a bloody TM 
> > initiator. Someone teaching children to worship a Hindu god (praying to 
> > their mantra). Whereas, according to orthodox—pre-Vatican II—belief, these 
> > Hindu gods are fallen angels in disguise—and are thus banished from heaven, 
> > and are the enemies of the immortal soul of this Brazilian priest.
> 
> 
> Like I said MZ;  you definately need a checking.
> No, make that 3.
 
Dear nablusoss,

The striking thing about this response of yours, nablusoss is that were I the 
convinced TM initiator that I was (early and mid seventies) I would experience 
the perfect truth of this antidote. Not through any kind of unthinking 
dogmatism, but 'just taking it naturally', this is what would innocently and 
spontaneously occur to me: "You definitely need a checking."

That is how thoroughly Maharishi trained and conditioned us; that we would 
consider this response (to someone saying what I have said about the Brazilian 
priest) not only the correct one, but, even in some sense from the point of 
view of 'God', the right one. 

In other words, your response is not arbitrary and unthinking; it takes into 
its train (seemingly) the entire universe; for this is what we were 
representing: the reality of things. If anyone began to have these kinds of 
thoughts (as expressed by me in my long post to authfriend) God himself would 
recommend just this remedy.

And Indeed we would know that once having been checked (ideally three times) we 
would be confident, if we showed him what he had written, he would remark—in 
some way or another: "Oh, dear; you're right. I don't feel that way at al about 
this matter now. I wish I had not written that."

Because, of course, he (me) just needed to an experience of a higher state of 
consciousness, and immediately that which he had done from a more limited 
(narrow angled lens in MMY speak) would be seen—post-checking—as not 
representative of his (my) thinking after transcending.

Now, I suppose you meant this both seriously and facetiously. But remembering 
what it was like to be an initiator, I deem your remedy entirely effectual; but 
more importantly, the only one. And even beyond this, the true and right remedy 
[from the widest angled lens there could be].

Teaching TM, checking someone's meditation (the procedure of initiation, the 
checking notes): these are the two most brilliant and efficacious methods of 
inducing a religious experience in my lifetime.

But to re-emphasize my main idea here, nablusoss: the way one would know that 
this is the appropriate response to someone who would post something like this 
(about the Brazilian priest) went down into us initiators as deep as anything 
could go—I mean while one is under the spell of the incomparable Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi, and certain that the experiences delivered to one through 
Transcendental Meditation are objectively true.

As if the hungry infant only needs the Mother's breast, and he will stop crying.

Meanwhile I have disavowed these truths; more than this, I have come to 
experience that TM and Maharishi exercised, in the end, a deleterious influence 
over my mind and body and soul. Even though I very much doubt in my lifetime I 
will ever have such glorious experiences [TM], nor feel such perfect love [for 
Maharishi].

What you say in response then to me, nablusoss, just underscores how subtle and 
profound this whole business of Maharishi and TM really was, and is.

Because, as I say, I can contact the deep memory inside of me which recognizes 
the brilliant truth of your response—after all, I would say and think and 
apprehend the appropriateness of, exactly what you have said to me.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[Denise Evans]

Read this last night...your brain after meditating
http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3717&Itemid=0

--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, 
Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 9:57 AM















 
 



  



  
  
  I actually wrote a long reply to this, and in a moment of distraction 
shut down my browser and lost the whole thing. Such is the distinction of age. 
Now a few days will pass before I can return to doing much on the forum.



Let me ask the question my reply was about. What *is* the premise on which 
science is based that limits it to not being able to discover or measure these 
things you are mentioning? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:

>

> The premise on which science is based doesn't take into account subtle mental 
> and physical processes, verified through the senses, that cannot yet be 
> measured. This results in questions from science like which came first, the 
> consciousness or the brain? 

> 

> Such subtle mental experiences can be experienced directly as the result of 
> practicing sutras, then embodied as every day experience. These more refined 
> experiences bridge the question of whether our consciousness exists as a 
> result of the brain's functioning or not. 

> 

> The brain is the source of our consciousness, or more accurately a wonderful 
> organizer and receptor of consciousness, the unique expression of which is 
> found in each brain. 

> 

> What exists after the material body wears out is a subtle body, with a brain, 
> our brain, the capacity of which is not always well used in our grosser 
> material form. This "subtle brain" also carries with it any seeds of karma 
> into what we know next as death and on into the next life. This brain 
> nonetheless serves as the instrument, though not the originator, of 
> consciousness in this body and beyond. 

> 

> Is the brain a manufacturer of consciousness? How could it be? It is a 
> wonderful distiller of universal consciousness into a form that is 
> comprehensible and operates well, for each of us with our unique inputs and 
> outputs.

> 

> My two cents.  

> 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> >

> > Gonna take little bites off this dissertation...

> > 

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:

> > 

> > > Judy (authfriend):

> > > > Let's not forget that for all science has discovered about

> > > > the brain, it hasn't yet begun to solve the "hard problem"

> > > > of the nature of consciousness itself. There are lots of

> > > > theories but no consensus, not even on a  definition of 

> > > > consciousness. As long as that most fundamental of all

> > > > issues remains a mystery, I don't think science is in a

> > > > position to claim to have trumped metaphysics.

> > > 

> > > The hard problem, is a kind of odd problem. I suspect it is

> > > because of the way we define the situation that the problem

> > > exists. The hard problem: a) how does a physical system

> > > interact with a non-physical system, because these two

> > > aspects are like oil and water. How can any theory bridge

> > > the gap between something that has definite properties, and

> > > one that has no properties whatsoever. How can I prove to

> > > you that my invisible, fire-breathing (but heatless)

> > > metaphysical teddy bear exists, having no physical

> > > properties at all? Then there are these two sub questions b)

> > > does consciousness cause the brain, or c) does the brain

> > > cause consciousness.

> > 

> > I'd like to quote my favorite formulation of the "hard

> > problem," and then ask you to relate it to what you just

> > wrote (and go on to write).

> > 

> > It comes from Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the structure

> > of DNA, who became fascinated by the question of the nature

> > of consciousness. In an article in Scientific American, he

> > recounted this anecdote:

> > 

> > "Recently I was trying to explain to an intelligent woman

> > the problem of understanding how it is we perceive anything

> > at all. And I was not having any success. She could not see

> > why there was a problem. Finally, in despair, I asked her

> > how she herself thought she saw the world. She replied that

> > she probably had somewhere in her head something like a

> > little television set. 'So who,' I asked, 'is looking at it?'

> > She now saw the problem immediately."

> > 

> > (Please overlook the fact that Crick felt it necessary to

> > specify that the woman was intelligent.)

> > 

> > That may seem a simplistic way to state the problem, but

> > in my observation, we start out thinking about it on too

> > complex a level and end up not actually dealing with the

> > most bas

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[Bhairitu]

The Republicans are doing this to buy the country for pennies on the 
dollar.  They are materialists who focus only on wealth.   They want to 
regain their ancestral legacy of being feudal landlords.  They've been 
trying to do this ever since the US was founded.  And I won't be an 
obedient serf (and no one else should either).

On 07/02/2011 09:35 AM, Denise Evans wrote:
> The link below has some interesting info on the influence of the Koch 
> brothers in taking down the government, etc.  
> What I don't understand is...what is the end game of the Republican 
> philosophy...if the working class go down, so does the country...we already 
> are going down...what is the purpose...what is the gain?  The U.S. definitely 
> won't be able to retain the facade of "most powerful country."  
> Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this country in the future, if 
> the Republican's get their way.  
> www.bravenewfoundation.org
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> From: Bhairitu
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
> government shuts down
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:45 PM
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>>> The Republicans are becoming more aggressive in pursuing
>>> their agenda.  It's the American version of suicide bombing.
>>> The Minnesota government shutdown is just a preview of what
>>> the Republicans will do at the national level.
>>> In general, both major parties at the national level need to
>>> forsake their ideologies in order the solve the bigger
>>> problem of national government deficit spending and the
>>> mounting national debt.
>> That isn't the bigger problem. The bigger problem is
>> unemployment and its consequences throughout the economy.
>> We need *more* government spending--MUCH more--not less,
>> for the economy to be strong enough to fix the deficit.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I actually wrote a long reply to this, and in a moment of distraction shut down 
my browser and lost the whole thing. Such is the distinction of age. Now a few 
days will pass before I can return to doing much on the forum.

Let me ask the question my reply was about. What *is* the premise on which 
science is based that limits it to not being able to discover or measure these 
things you are mentioning? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> The premise on which science is based doesn't take into account subtle mental 
> and physical processes, verified through the senses, that cannot yet be 
> measured. This results in questions from science like which came first, the 
> consciousness or the brain? 
> 
> Such subtle mental experiences can be experienced directly as the result of 
> practicing sutras, then embodied as every day experience. These more refined 
> experiences bridge the question of whether our consciousness exists as a 
> result of the brain's functioning or not. 
> 
> The brain is the source of our consciousness, or more accurately a wonderful 
> organizer and receptor of consciousness, the unique expression of which is 
> found in each brain. 
> 
> What exists after the material body wears out is a subtle body, with a brain, 
> our brain, the capacity of which is not always well used in our grosser 
> material form. This "subtle brain" also carries with it any seeds of karma 
> into what we know next as death and on into the next life. This brain 
> nonetheless serves as the instrument, though not the originator, of 
> consciousness in this body and beyond. 
> 
> Is the brain a manufacturer of consciousness? How could it be? It is a 
> wonderful distiller of universal consciousness into a form that is 
> comprehensible and operates well, for each of us with our unique inputs and 
> outputs.
> 
> My two cents.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Gonna take little bites off this dissertation...
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Judy (authfriend):
> > > > Let's not forget that for all science has discovered about
> > > > the brain, it hasn't yet begun to solve the "hard problem"
> > > > of the nature of consciousness itself. There are lots of
> > > > theories but no consensus, not even on a  definition of 
> > > > consciousness. As long as that most fundamental of all
> > > > issues remains a mystery, I don't think science is in a
> > > > position to claim to have trumped metaphysics.
> > > 
> > > The hard problem, is a kind of odd problem. I suspect it is
> > > because of the way we define the situation that the problem
> > > exists. The hard problem: a) how does a physical system
> > > interact with a non-physical system, because these two
> > > aspects are like oil and water. How can any theory bridge
> > > the gap between something that has definite properties, and
> > > one that has no properties whatsoever. How can I prove to
> > > you that my invisible, fire-breathing (but heatless)
> > > metaphysical teddy bear exists, having no physical
> > > properties at all? Then there are these two sub questions b)
> > > does consciousness cause the brain, or c) does the brain
> > > cause consciousness.
> > 
> > I'd like to quote my favorite formulation of the "hard
> > problem," and then ask you to relate it to what you just
> > wrote (and go on to write).
> > 
> > It comes from Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the structure
> > of DNA, who became fascinated by the question of the nature
> > of consciousness. In an article in Scientific American, he
> > recounted this anecdote:
> > 
> > "Recently I was trying to explain to an intelligent woman
> > the problem of understanding how it is we perceive anything
> > at all. And I was not having any success. She could not see
> > why there was a problem. Finally, in despair, I asked her
> > how she herself thought she saw the world. She replied that
> > she probably had somewhere in her head something like a
> > little television set. 'So who,' I asked, 'is looking at it?'
> > She now saw the problem immediately."
> > 
> > (Please overlook the fact that Crick felt it necessary to
> > specify that the woman was intelligent.)
> > 
> > That may seem a simplistic way to state the problem, but
> > in my observation, we start out thinking about it on too
> > complex a level and end up not actually dealing with the
> > most basic level, where the problem is hardest. Crick's
> > formulation above is brilliant, IMHO, because it forces
> > us (as it forced the woman) to confront the problem
> > head-on (so to speak).
> > 
> > Ironically, Crick ultimately became enamored of a highly
> > reductionist view that, in essence, got rid of the
> > problem by explaining consciousness away. He wrote a book
> > titled "The Astonishing Hypothesis," that hypothesis being:
> > 
> > "'You,' your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your
> > ambition

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sign Senator Sanders "Share the Sacrifice" letter to Obama

[Denise Evans]

Thank you for posting this.
What kind of BS are Mitch McConnell and Boehner saying - everywhere...on 
NPR...in the papers, on the "news""the Americans don't want us to raise 
taxes"
I want the Republicans to start saying"the Americans don't want us to raise 
taxes on the extremely wealthy top 2% of the individuals who make/made their 
money on the backs of the working class and don't plan on sharing with 
you"...this is the truth.  
Perhaps more people would pause and start using their critical thinking skills 
and stop acting like brainwashed zombie's.  
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, raunchydog  wrote:

From: raunchydog 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sign Senator Sanders "Share the Sacrifice" letter 
to Obama
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 6:06 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

>

> Senator Bernie Sanders has a letter to Obama that you can sign on his 

> web site.  Currently it is at 96K+ signatures:

> 

> http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c1fd7f9b-abd8-4e7a-a370-1867881259d8

>



Obama uses his bully-pulpit to give the Republicans hell for about two minutes, 
then he caves. Blaming the Republicans, "They suck worse" is a lousy campaign 
slogan. If Obama wants to win in 2012, he has to stop acting like a Republican, 
selling out to rich people and start standing up for the elderly, working 
class, the poor and women.



Bernie Sanders on Youtube: "Dear Mr. President"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4axvr3n-ABU



Meanwhile, Randians are hell bent on defaulting on our debt. They want to see 
total economic collapse so they can replace our current system with a 
libertarian paradise.



Stephen Colbert asked libertarian, "drown government in a bathtub" Grover 
Norquist, about his "don't raise taxes" pledge he had Republican lawmakers 
sign, and whether he would allow grandmothers across the country be terrorized 
or allow higher taxes. Norquist responded by saying that "I think we console 
our self with the fact that we have pictures."

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/390707/june-27-2011/grover-norquist






 





 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota government shuts down

[Denise Evans]

The link below has some interesting info on the influence of the Koch brothers 
in taking down the government, etc.  
What I don't understand is...what is the end game of the Republican 
philosophy...if the working class go down, so does the country...we already are 
going down...what is the purpose...what is the gain?  The U.S. definitely won't 
be able to retain the facade of "most powerful country."  
Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this country in the future, if the 
Republican's get their way.  
www.bravenewfoundation.org


--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Bhairitu  wrote:

From: Bhairitu 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans protect Millionaires - Minnesota 
government shuts down
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:45 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  On 07/01/2011 06:21 PM, authfriend wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:

>> The Republicans are becoming more aggressive in pursuing

>> their agenda.  It's the American version of suicide bombing.

>> The Minnesota government shutdown is just a preview of what

>> the Republicans will do at the national level.

>>

>> In general, both major parties at the national level need to

>> forsake their ideologies in order the solve the bigger

>> problem of national government deficit spending and the

>> mounting national debt.

> That isn't the bigger problem. The bigger problem is

> unemployment and its consequences throughout the economy.

>

> We need *more* government spending--MUCH more--not less,

> for the economy to be strong enough to fix the deficit.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 2, 2011, at 4:01 AM, sparaig wrote:

> Yes, it is called "researcher bias" and a huge portion of the "scientific 
> method" is designed to try to compensate for it.

And the only ones who get taken seriously are
the ones who succeed at it, with things like
double-blind studies, etc.


> It's not just TM researchers who are susceptible to it.

Of course not.  It's just that they generally do
*nothing* to compensate for it.

> Every researcher needs to be on his or her guard. What I find amusing is that 
> no-one on this forum questions the bias of the researchers who do the 
> research on the buddhist techniques.

Who knew there were any?  Sounds like something
arcane that Vaj would probably know about, but that
would completely escape anyone else, including many
members of the scientific community.


> When people ask them if they are Buddhists, they reply that they don't 
> practice the whole thing, just the meditation bit. Of course, their bios 
> mention that they are personal friends with the Dali Lama, have been involved 
> with scientific research for years on behalf of the Dali Lama, 

See above.

> and they are quoted by "practicing" buddhists as saying "I didn't need to do 
> research to know that this stuff works."

People quoting researchers who supposedly said
they don't need to do research?  That would be
odd, I grant you.  Like to see some of those quotes.

> But hey, they're not *TM* researchers so they should automatically get a 
> pass...

Yawn, this getting tiresome, spare.  See above for 
at least several reasons why your comment sounds silly.
I submit nobody knows about these "Buddhist
researchers," and that few would give them a 
free pass if they had access to their findings and
could evaluate them.  People in here have generally
had decades to familiarize themselves with TM
research~~such as it is~~and have come to their
own conclusions (I almost wrote "confusions") 
concerning the methods used and
other variables.  Your conclusions differ~~so be it.
Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with having a fixed POV is...

[whynotnow7]

You often demonstrate through your posts that despite the mind's (your) desire 
to be "free and easy", if the ego is not liberated, that will be impossible, 
and you remain locked into attachment/aversion cycles. 

So even though you profess to be this shamblin', ramblin' fellow with no 
attachments, your expressed thoughts betray you. The ego can only be 
comfortable if it compares everything else unfavorably to itself. Since that is 
where you live, your writing will always reflect this. 

It is impossible for someone in your state of consciousness to state something 
positively without mentioning how that diminishes someone or something else. 
Better if you would practice some sadhana to raise your consciousness so that 
it can be true to your heart. Otherwise you will just continue bullshitting 
yourself into this fantasy of non-attachment, while your ego continues to have 
you by the balls.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> ...that some start to feel that they need to sell or
> justify or defend that POV. The liberation of having
> no fixed POV is that one does not necessarily ever
> feel this way.
> 
> These last few days have for me been a fun exercise 
> in Tantra, the juxtaposition of opposites. While on
> a combination business/pleasure trip, I was already
> flyin' high in Road Trip Mind, and then all the Rama 
> drama went down on Facebook. So I got to watch one 
> community of former students start a new forum (not 
> unlike FFL in its "no censorship" policies) on which 
> to discuss their various views of him and what it was 
> like to study with him, while occasionally bouncing 
> back to Fairfield Life, where I got to see another 
> community of former students do the same thing. 
> 
> What a difference. 
> 
> Not that one is necessarily "better" than the other,
> just that they're so different. On one forum, long-
> term followers of one spiritual teacher have (from
> my POV) settled into long-term-held POVs, which they
> feel the need to either sell or fiercely defend. On
> the other forum, equally long-term followers of 
> another spiritual teacher on the whole have *zero*
> fixed POV, about either him or the world and How
> It Works. There is a flexibility and a "Go with the
> flow of how the world seems to work *today*" mindset
> there that I have been sorely missing here.
> 
> Preference, not judgment. Some can't seem to tell
> the difference between the two.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with having a fixed POV is...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> ...that some start to feel that they need to sell or
> justify or defend that POV. The liberation of having
> no fixed POV is that one does not necessarily ever
> feel this way.
> 
> These last few days have for me been a fun exercise 
> in Tantra, the juxtaposition of opposites. While on
> a combination business/pleasure trip, I was already
> flyin' high in Road Trip Mind, and then all the Rama 
> drama went down on Facebook. So I got to watch one 
> community of former students start a new forum (not 
> unlike FFL in its "no censorship" policies) on which 
> to discuss their various views of him and what it was 
> like to study with him, while occasionally bouncing 
> back to Fairfield Life, where I got to see another 
> community of former students do the same thing. 
> 
> What a difference. 
> 
> Not that one is necessarily "better" than the other,
> just that they're so different. On one forum, long-
> term followers of one spiritual teacher have (from
> my POV) settled into long-term-held POVs, which they
> feel the need to either sell or fiercely defend. On
> the other forum, equally long-term followers of 
> another spiritual teacher on the whole have *zero*
> fixed POV, about either him or the world and How
> It Works. There is a flexibility and a "Go with the
> flow of how the world seems to work *today*" mindset
> there that I have been sorely missing here.
> 
> Preference, not judgment.

Lip service. Your "preferences" are virtually always
expressed in judgmental terms. The paragraph above
is an example.

> Some can't seem to tell the difference between the two.

We *can* tell the difference. We don't buy your dishonest
disclaimers. You want to have license to be judgmental
so you can indulge in putdowns, but being judgmental
doesn't fit the inflated self-image you're constantly
pushing, so you pretend it's merely preference.

It's entirely possible to express preferences without
being judgmental, but you don't, or can't, or won't.
It takes more than just saying "It's a preference" to
make it a preference; you have to omit the judgment.

You are *by far* the most judgmental person on this
forum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:


> 
> I note there is a Catholic priest in Brazil teaching children Transcendental 
> Meditation. I have seen the David Lynch tape. An obviously sincere and heroic 
> character, this priest nevertheless (it's not his fault: his Church can't 
> deliver on the goods regarding God like TM can; and this became obvious to 
> him, which is why he made that most ironic of decisions: to became a TM 
> Teacher) is betraying Christ as it were. Else why have Saint Francis Xavier 
> destroying the Hindu statues in India in the 16th century—all the while 
> moving and acting within a brilliant supernatural grace? Now those Hindu 
> statues have been invisibly erected inside the interiority of his priesthood.
> 
> But this, of course, authfriend, is the current dilemma of the Catholic 
> Church, and this priest but an innocent victim. His Catholicism cannot 
> provide him with the verification of the truth of his religion, so he has 
> turned elsewhere, and become, within his calling as a priest, a bloody TM 
> initiator. Someone teaching children to worship a Hindu god (praying to their 
> mantra). Whereas, according to orthodox—pre-Vatican II—belief, these Hindu 
> gods are fallen angels in disguise—and are thus banished from heaven, and are 
> the enemies of the immortal soul of this Brazilian priest.


Like I said MZ;  you definately need a checking.
No, make that 3.

[FairfieldLife] The trouble with having a fixed POV is...

[turquoiseb]

...that some start to feel that they need to sell or
justify or defend that POV. The liberation of having
no fixed POV is that one does not necessarily ever
feel this way.

These last few days have for me been a fun exercise 
in Tantra, the juxtaposition of opposites. While on
a combination business/pleasure trip, I was already
flyin' high in Road Trip Mind, and then all the Rama 
drama went down on Facebook. So I got to watch one 
community of former students start a new forum (not 
unlike FFL in its "no censorship" policies) on which 
to discuss their various views of him and what it was 
like to study with him, while occasionally bouncing 
back to Fairfield Life, where I got to see another 
community of former students do the same thing. 

What a difference. 

Not that one is necessarily "better" than the other,
just that they're so different. On one forum, long-
term followers of one spiritual teacher have (from
my POV) settled into long-term-held POVs, which they
feel the need to either sell or fiercely defend. On
the other forum, equally long-term followers of 
another spiritual teacher on the whole have *zero*
fixed POV, about either him or the world and How
It Works. There is a flexibility and a "Go with the
flow of how the world seems to work *today*" mindset
there that I have been sorely missing here.

Preference, not judgment. Some can't seem to tell
the difference between the two.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sneltrein Musings

[authfriend]

He's *s* predictable...

"And I fully expect Barry to launch a rant against Steve
and everyone else whose posts he doesn't like off of
Curtis's post."--Me, yesterday evening

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I put this in the category of: "so and so poster should post 
> > differently than they do because it is not my preference".
> 
> I put it in the category of "Things must REALLY be
> boring in these people's lives if the only thing they
> can find to generate a 'ten minute hate' over is me
> riffing on how bad beer brewed by Purusha monks 
> would taste."
> 
> I think the bigger issue is that I haven't been finding
> the things talked about here lately interesting enough
> to comment on, so those who can't think of anything to
> post unless it's blasting me have been a little 
> frustrated, and are starting to show some desperation
> around the edges.

Very much au contraire, Pierre. In your absence we've
had a number of terrific conversations, and the contrast
of the intelligence and thoughtfulness of those exchanges
with your recent same old, same old shallow, self-
flattering intrusions has highlighted how unpleasant and
useless they are. They've also made it self-evident how
inadequate you are intellectually and temperamentally to
meet the standards for discussion set while you were away.
It's not that you don't find current conversations
"interesting enough to comment on," it's that they're so
far above your head you couldn't make a relevant comment
if you tried.

IOW, it's you who is frustrated and desperate. It's you
who can't think of anything to post that doesn't involve
blasting people you don't like with putdowns and exalting
your own fantasized specialness.

The rest of us are having a good time. And you're out in
the cold, flailing away at imaginary demons.

Live with it. Or better yet, go away again. FFL is SO much
more enjoyable when you're not around.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

[Buck]

Yeah, though the heavy metal poisoning of ayurvedic medicine is different from 
this psychedelic central nervous system damage like of ayahuasca.  Either way 
it points to the razor's edge of sound mental-health bio-chemistry.  

The folks that got metal poisoned neurologically are getting kelated 
allopathically at some clinics nearby here in the US.   Don't know how it is 
turning out for them individually.  There are some old cases around town of 
people who chowed down faithfully and proly in some excess with access to the 
old ayurvedic products from India that have manifest neurological diseases.  
They are notable also because of their old prominence within TM.  But that was 
a self-inflicted metal poisoning for having taken those products.  

Yet, the ayahausca problem is of a different kind and evidently becoming 
new-age trendy now.  It's sad in a different way from metals poisoning when you 
run across ayahausca toxicity.  It's very un-spiritual.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Ayahuasca toxicity,
> > yes, in some Fairfield meditators too.
> > But generally the 
> > toxicity of this stuff is something
> > I've run across in 'seeking'-people otherwise.  It
> > can't be unknown because clearly
> > it happens.  People wrecking their
> > physiology with Ayahuasca as a neuro-halucinagetic concocted tripping 
> > stuff.  
> > With folks frying circuits in their nervous systems, discombobulating their
> > mental well-being and dis-integrating or screwing-up
> > their spiritual life big time otherwise.  
> > 
> > In reading
> > the internet links on Ayahuasca, evidently it seems that 'excited' 
> > ayahuasca apologists have sway in most ayahuasca forums and web pages on 
> > the larger subject of people wrecking themselves tripping on ayahausca.  Of 
> > course taking ayahausca is quite
> > a trendy new-age tourist industry obviously conflicted by large PR 
> > interests of the people promoting it as something special.  Both in Central 
> > and South America but also in the Southwest USA.
> > 
> > Practically, it would be interesting to see some clinical notes of 
> > ambulance paramedics or emergency room psych-diagnosis of ayahuasca 
> > 'overdose'.  And it would be good to hear about ayahuasca from the 
> > experience of ongoing mental health people as
> > they look at it and experience the effects.  Clinical experience with it.  
> > 
> > I would speculate that there must be a mental health wreckage that is dealt 
> > with in South America by communities and public health people there.  Is it 
> > clinically showing up here in the West or Southwest US too?  Clearly it is 
> > not good for some people as in, too much of a good thing that clearly is 
> > un-spiritual in a mental health sort of way.
> > 
> > 
> Any reports of how the people are doing who got poisoned with heavy metals 
> from the Indian ayurveda clinic product?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sneltrein Musings

[seventhray1]

Barry, the master of projection.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> >
> > I put this in the category of: "so and so poster should post
> > differently than they do because it is not my preference".
>
> I put it in the category of "Things must REALLY be
> boring in these people's lives if the only thing they
> can find to generate a 'ten minute hate' over is me
> riffing on how bad beer brewed by Purusha monks
> would taste."
>
> I think the bigger issue is that I haven't been finding
> the things talked about here lately interesting enough
> to comment on, so those who can't think of anything to
> post unless it's blasting me have been a little
> frustrated, and are starting to show some desperation
> around the edges. I mean, getting their panties in a
> twist over me suggesting humorously that a beer brewed
> by Purusha guys would taste like piss?

Perhaps what you miss is that this type of "humor" while maybe funny for
the first 12 (or so) years of your postings, kind of gets worn after a
while.  But no worries.  Only occassionally do I feel the need to make a
comment about it.  Carry on.

  *Of course* it
> would taste like piss. The thing they should get
> uptight about is me suggesting that Purusha guys would
> ever do something productive, like create a product
> they could sell to pay their own way in life. Now
> THAT is off the program, and insulting. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Check out Activist Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing

[WLeed3]

_Activist  Post: The Perfect (Radiation) Storm is Brewing_ 
(http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/perfect-radiation-storm-is-brewing.html)  

[FairfieldLife] Wanna hear some "tankero-English"?

[cardemaister]

After Nokia's CEO, Stephen Elop, Mr. Jukka (yucca)
 Kiiskinen (key-ski-nen)
tells something about Nokia "Sea Ray" (~= N9), the first Nokia Windoze
phoney, in genuine "tankero-English":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl_zUFprjbA&feature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

[Tom Pall]

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:07 AM, sparaig  wrote:

>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Are  you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a
> fascinating
> > > experience, but I've never heard of TM or TM-SIdhis practice causing
> the
> > > symptoms I observed: unable to drink even a 1/2 class of water from a
> tall
> > > tumbler because my had shook so much that all the water spilled out
> before
> > > it reached my lips. Unable to type without dozens of mistakes because
> my
> > > fingers were shaking uncontrollably. Drawing a straight line with a
> pencil
> > > was truly interesting --the basic shape was straight, but there was a
> > > waviness to the line that was about 1mm high and 1mm long. Fine motor
> > > control is non-existent because the serotonin is interfering with
> muscle
> > > feedback. Your mind-body gets into a feedback loop where you over/under
> > > compensate motion non-stop.
> > >
> > >
> > You're considering serotonin syndrome a fascinating experience?I
> assure
> > you the EMTs pumping half a dozen drugs into your veins to bring down
> your
> > hypertemp, lesson your nausea, anxiety, vertigo, twitching, blood
> pressure
> > so high the ER's got the drugs out ready to reverse your stroke should
> your
> > sky high b.p. make you blow a gasket, your tachycardia, massive flushing
> and
> > sweating and on and on a fascinating experience?   It's not fascinating
> to
> > the doctors, who call in every specialist in the hospital, use every
> piece
> > of equipment the regional medical center owns and don't come up with a
> > diagnosis.It can be a frightening and frustrating experience for all
> > around.   Fascinating? No.
> >
>
> Well, obviously I had a relatively mild case., Of course, given my nearly
> 40 years TM practice, perhaps I wasn't as susceptible to the BP issues, and
> anxiety issues.
>
> But, as I was at that point taking 8x the normal dosage of prozac, and the
> symptoms went away when the doctor lowered the prescription, we were
> reasonably confident that it was SSRI-overdose related
>
>
> L.
>
>
> Ah, but this particular serotonin syndrome was aka kundalini syndrome.  It
had nothing to do with MAOIs, SSRI and all those other things which jack
serotonin around.  It was many years of TM practice, decades of heavy
rounding on the sidhis, hours and hours of flying which precipitated the
b.p. and anxiety issues.   Oh yeah.  And lots and lots of yagyas.  Daily
yagyas for a year or two, weekly yaygas, yagyas with lots of pundits.   You
know on your third trip to the ER in a week when the triage nurse takes your
b.p., usually rock solid normal, when all the blood rushes out of her upper
body and she runs to go get a portable defib unit to place on your lap, that
this is not all in your head.Nor fascinating.

Vaj appears to talk b.s. about the TM Sidhi program but though it sounds
like b.s., it's the truth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Understanding the "Tao".....

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Actually, the character of Kwai Chang Caine was Bruce Lee's 
> idea, and you're showing your inner bigot if you think that 
> Bruce Lee wouldn't be able to play the character he created.

Actually, the idea that Bruce Lee thought up the series
is now considered an urban myth started by him and his
widow. The producers deny Lee's involvement in either the
concept or any of the story ideas. Plus, I met Bruce Lee,
and got to see what a confrontational asshole he was, so
I not only doubt that he wouldn't have been able to 
express emotions or wear any expression other than his 
"fight face," I doubt he'd have been able to get along 
with fellow cast members long enough to film a whole 
season, much less several of them. He had a rep for 
barely being able to make it through a whole film without 
pissing off people and alienating them so much that they 
were ready to throw in the towel and walk away. Don't 
base your assumptions about who Bruce Lee was on the
movie they made about him.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDr4plqzEE
> > 
> > Great find, feste. That was an interesting series. The
> > producers originally conceived of Caine as played by
> > Bruce Lee, but others (because he wasn't yet a big star,
> > having only really been seen as Kato in "The Green 
> > Hornet") thought he wouldn't be appropriate. Wise call.
> > Carradine may have not been the best actor in the world,
> > or even a competent martial artist, but he could pull 
> > off some of the inner aspects of Kwai Chang Caine.
> > Bruce Lee wouldn't have been able to.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Understanding the "Tao".....

[sparaig]

Actually, the character of Kwai Chang Caine was Bruce Lee's idea, and you're 
showing your inner bigot if you think that Bruce Lee wouldn't be able to play 
the character he created.

If you want to see Lee in a more average role, look at his guest appearances on 
Longstreet with James Franciscas.

Lawson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDr4plqzEE
> 
> Great find, feste. That was an interesting series. The
> producers originally conceived of Caine as played by
> Bruce Lee, but others (because he wasn't yet a big star,
> having only really been seen as Kato in "The Green 
> Hornet") thought he wouldn't be appropriate. Wise call.
> Carradine may have not been the best actor in the world,
> or even a competent martial artist, but he could pull 
> off some of the inner aspects of Kwai Chang Caine.
> Bruce Lee wouldn't have been able to.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Are  you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a fascinating
> > experience, but I've never heard of TM or TM-SIdhis practice causing the
> > symptoms I observed: unable to drink even a 1/2 class of water from a tall
> > tumbler because my had shook so much that all the water spilled out before
> > it reached my lips. Unable to type without dozens of mistakes because my
> > fingers were shaking uncontrollably. Drawing a straight line with a pencil
> > was truly interesting --the basic shape was straight, but there was a
> > waviness to the line that was about 1mm high and 1mm long. Fine motor
> > control is non-existent because the serotonin is interfering with muscle
> > feedback. Your mind-body gets into a feedback loop where you over/under
> > compensate motion non-stop.
> >
> >
> You're considering serotonin syndrome a fascinating experience?I assure
> you the EMTs pumping half a dozen drugs into your veins to bring down your
> hypertemp, lesson your nausea, anxiety, vertigo, twitching, blood pressure
> so high the ER's got the drugs out ready to reverse your stroke should your
> sky high b.p. make you blow a gasket, your tachycardia, massive flushing and
> sweating and on and on a fascinating experience?   It's not fascinating to
> the doctors, who call in every specialist in the hospital, use every piece
> of equipment the regional medical center owns and don't come up with a
> diagnosis.It can be a frightening and frustrating experience for all
> around.   Fascinating? No.
>

Well, obviously I had a relatively mild case., Of course, given my nearly 40 
years TM practice, perhaps I wasn't as susceptible to the BP issues, and 
anxiety issues.

But, as I was at that point taking 8x the normal dosage of prozac, and the 
symptoms went away when the doctor lowered the prescription, we were reasonably 
confident that it was SSRI-overdose related


L.

[FairfieldLife] G and the siddhi of omnipotence?

[cardemaister]

Jesus gives an example of the siddhi of omnipotence (sarva-
bhaavaadhiSThaatRtvam, YS III 50)?

21 And answering, Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you, If you have faith and 
do not doubt, not only will you do the miracle of the fig tree, but even if you 
should say to this mountain, Be taken up and thrown into the sea, it will be so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night

[sparaig]

Yes, it is called "researcher bias" and a huge portion of the "scientific 
method" is designed to try to compensate for it.

It's not just TM researchers who are susceptible to it. Every researcher needs 
to be on his or her guard. What I find amusing is that no-one on this forum 
questions the bias of the researchers who do the research on the buddhist 
techniques. When people ask them if they are Buddhists, they reply that they 
don't practice the whole thing, just the meditation bit. Of course, their bios 
mention that they are personal friends with the Dali Lama, have been involved 
with scientific research for years on behalf of the Dali Lama, and they are 
quoted by "practicing" buddhists as saying "I didn't need to do research to 
know that this stuff works."

But hey, they're not *TM* researchers so they should automatically get a pass...

L



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:55 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
[...]
> > Yeah, but MMY was the first guru I'm aware of who was encouraging research. 
> > That started back in 1959 at 433 according to the book. 
> 
> But is it research when you've already reached a conclusion
> even before the research begins?  There's gotta be
> another term for that.
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] (Repost?) Faces of meth

[cardemaister]

http://www.myfox8.com/kswb-pg-faces-of-meth,0,2801604.photogallery?index=kswb-pg-faces-of-meth-082

Oddly enough, a couple of them look better in the "after" image, IMO...

[FairfieldLife] So many old-fashioned models, with a keyboard!?

[cardemaister]

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia-phones-1.php

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain, Spirituality, Science, Metaphysics, Enlightenment, Aquinas, MZ

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> "'You,' your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your
> ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will,
> are in fact no more than the behaviour of a vast assembly
> of nerve cells and their associated molecules."
> 

FWIW, according to saaMkhya-suutras, the "I-making" (aham-kaara,
individuality) becomes created right after the 'mahat' (the Great,
cosmic mind?), and *before* the five tan-maatras ("that-measures"?):

sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prakRtiH prakRter mahaan 
mahato 'hamkaaro (mahataH; ahamkaaraH) 'hamkaaraat pañca
tanmaatraani, and so on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatvas

By the way, those south-Indians(?) are masters of misspelling
Sanskrit! :D