[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Robin: Can you explain this statement below? I cut it out of the post it was in, but think that it can stand on its own without the surrounding context of what you were discussing then (the SC quote) - however I may be wrong there. Are you saying simply that *man's existence and behavior* does not demonstrate compassion and that *the use of the word* is unwarranted, in this respect (in the 21st century)? Or, are you saying something else? [Robin: Just my own bias here, Emily, but I find the use of the word compassionalmost in any context inside 21st Century existenceunreal and unmeaning.] Wiki discussion of compassion for different religions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion Dear Emily, Your posts have become so good that I feel much more drawn to praising you for what you are now contributing to FFL rather than trying to answer your question here about compassion. I remember writing this, but after reading the wikepedia definition you provide here I think I have been outthought on this one, and that it would be better for me to just shut up about my problem with the reality of compassion. I think in some very specific sense I have always felt that compassion was too profound an idea to really connect up with the experience of any single human being. There is a depth there in the meaning of the word which makes it seem beyond what is humanly possible to experience. The Dalai Lama is said to be the embodiment of compassionand I remember a friend of mine attending one of his lectures and insisting to me that he (the DL) radiated so much compassion that the entire auditorium filled up with the energy and light of this compassion. An aura of compassion, then, seemingly physicalized. But I don't know to what extent this kind of mystical compassion (ever heard Tibetan chanting? Doesn't sound like something close to what it means to be a human beingthat is, to me. Like so much about the East it feels alien and impersonal) can be effectively translated into acts of grace and unselfishnessat least inside the natural movement of the human personality. I think compassion tends to have the ring of something very praiseworthy and noble and spiritual, but that I have not seen (I speak for myself only here) the display of this trait inside the personal actions of any human being I have met. I understand empathy, sympathy, unselfishness, generosity, feeling the pain and suffering of others. It is just, Emily, if someone told me: So and so is a compassionate person, I would tend to think that person was constructing and performing an act which carried with it the tokens of compassion, but then I would wonder: Is this so-called compassion something intrinsically real and personal to that person or is more a kind of posture of the very sincerest of intention? Is Richard Gere, the devout Tibetan Buddhist and long-standing disciple of the Dalai Lamawho has received all the techniques available to the aspiring Tibetan Buddhistsomeone who manifests compassion in any true existential sense? What actual good does the radiation of compassion do for anyone? For the world? For the universe? I am biased here, Emily, because once again I refer you to the excellent wikipedia article where I think a case *is* made for the human application of this idea. For myself, however, compassion has become one of those spiritual words which does not translate into an intense and beautiful (in terms of the aesthetics of the human heart) expression of the unique human person. Have you ever met someone, Emily, whom you would say: That person is compassionateand mean by this that the person holds within their own self a certain quality which is wholly what they are, but which could be said to be the personal instantiation of this word compassion? Now let me switch topics here and just say again how splendid and interesting are your posts since you really let loose around here. The fact of your not having done TM or known Maharishi appears at this point to make no difference; you are as much a part of this forum as anyone posting here, even though nearly every one of us (still here) is, I believewith one exceptiona TMer or former TMer. So we are all enjoying your intelligence and your perspective as you tell us about how you feel about all manner of things. FFL needs someone who writes as you do, Emily, and who can make us all so very interested in what you tell us about your experience of being Emily. Writing about compassion more or less became for me, Emily, merely the pretext to talk to you. I really like what you say, Emily, and you are one of my favourite posters at FFL. I am sure I speak for the majority of FFL readers. And most importantly you have, it would seem, earned the respect of certain posters here who perhaps would have liked to dismiss your views, but have been forced
[FairfieldLife] Hitopadesha quote of the week
uttamasyaapi varNasya niico 'pi gRham aagataH puujaniiyo yathaayogyaM -- sarvadevamayo 'tithiH. (uttamasya+api varNasya niicaH; api gRham aagataH puujaniiyaH; yathaa-yogyaM -- sarva-deva-mayaH; atithiH.) Even when a member of the lowest caste visits a household of the highest caste, he should be worshipped there in the appropriate manner -- a guest represents all the gods in himself. :0
[FairfieldLife] Code 9 - Officer Needs Assistance - The Documentary
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-assi\ stance-the-documentary http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary Code 9 - Officer Needs Assistance - The Documentary http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary A Documentary http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/Documentary?ref=project project in New York, NY http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/cities/new-york-ny?ref=project by Dangerous Curves Productions http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/1419004068 · send message http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/messages/new?message[to]=1419004068 * Don't want to forget? We'll remind you by email 48 hours before funding ends. Remind Me http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/follow * Project Home http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary * Updates 3 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/posts * Backers 34 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/backers * Comments 4 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/comments Embed http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419004068/code-9-officer-needs-ass\ istance-the-documentary/widget Copy 10 About this project This powerful documentary explores the darker side of law enforcement as it tells the stories of police officers and their families who are now suffering the mental anguish of the careers they chose, which has led some to suicide. The number one killer of police officers is suicide. Do you really know what it is like to be a police officer? Do you have any clue the amount of highly stressful situations they may come up against on a daily basis or the horrifying situations they are called to? Imagine You're a police officer. You dedicate your life to fighting crime, fighting the war on drugs, putting the bad guys away, while trying to keep society safe. You wear your uniform and your badge proudly. After several years on the job you see the worst that the human race has to offer. Your skin thickens and you become desensitized. You witness things that no human being should ever witness. Disconnecting from your feelings is the only way to protect yourself. Your job eats away at your soulThe days grow darker.. You are dealing with job related PTSD and you don't even know it. Your family and friends watch as you fade away. The nightmares are endless. You think back to the beginning, when you were told that you would be putting your life on the line. They said there was a possibility that you could get killed. As you slowly pick up the gun to your head, did you ever once think that this is what they meant? BECOME A BACKER - HELP SAVE LIVES YOU CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE BY BACKING THIS FILM. This film's intent is to help raise public awareness to the tragedy that is occuring but it's main purpose is to reach out to those officers and their families who are suffering in silence. We want them to know that they are not ALONE and that there is HELP for them. We want the Departments to know that they need to start training these officers so that they never have to reach the POINT OF NO RETURN. We need to to raise funds to complete the film. As you may or may not know, we will not receive any of the money raised if we do not meet our goal of $25,000 (don't worry you will only be charged if we reach our goal). BUT WE NEED MORE THAN THAT TO COMPLETE THE DOCUMENTARY. Our goal is to have this film aired in theatres/television in order to raise public awareness and reach the officers and family members who need help. We would also like to see this film used as a training tool. This film needs to have a powerful voice in order to help these officers and demand that there be change within the departments. This change must include proper training starting in the academy and continue that training throughout their careers so that officers and their families know what to expect and what to do in order to get help. This should include a mental health check up once a year. So PLEASE if you see that we are close or have reached our goal please know that WE CAN CONTINUE TO RAISE FUNDS AND SURPASS OUR GOAL. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!! We have interviewed and wish to continue interviewing police officers and their families from several states (California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts,South Carolina...etc) in order to show the magnitude of this problem and how each state is dealing with the issues. We also have several interviews waiting to be conducted in Canada. Backers money will be used for: * Eqiupment Rentals (cameras, microphones,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Vaj: Well, lets keep in mind, none of them's actually met you, let alone spent some considerable time around you...on stage or in audience... Response: Nor have you, Vaj. Your eyes have never met my own. You have never been in my physical presence. So this declaration of yours is sterilized by this fact. The FBI files Robin, the FBI files ! He knows them so well he actually believes he was there. And I agree, what feste wrote was some of the best wording here in a long while !
Re: [FairfieldLife] What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:25 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: No, Vaj, the only possible response here should have been: Robin, you are wrong. I *have* met you. I know you. And you will have to take back these words. That fact should be already obvious, at least it is to several here. It doesn't matter to me if you take them back or not.
[FairfieldLife] Guest Blog: Ignacio Chapela On BASFs Announcement to Move GMOs Out of Europe
Guest Blog: Ignacio Chapela On BASF's Announcement to Move GMOs Out of EuropeBy Raj http://rajpatel.org/author/raj/ on 01/16/2012 in Uncategorized http://rajpatel.org/category/uncategorized/ Ignacio Chapela http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Chapela will be familiar to readers of Stuffed and Starved. He's a soil biologist at Berkeley and an outspoken critic of genetically modified crops, a position which has focussed the wrath of the biotechnology industry upon him. Here is a short analysis he penned earlier today on news from Europe that chemical company BASF http://www.basf.com/group/corporate/en/ will be pulling its GMO operations from Europe, where they are unwelcome (because ineffective and dangerous), and moving them to North Carolina. Will the English-speaking media lose its nerve and write about it? Based on past experience, my wager goes to the habitual policy of silence, and I expect that the news will continue all but unrecorded in English. Most of us will not celebrate as we should. Other languages do comment and give a little more detail, albeit still briefly. In German, the word is printed clearly http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,809441,00.html : BASF admits defeat, while in French http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2012/01/16/le-geant-de-la-chimie-\ basf-stoppe-sa-production-d-ogm-en-europe_1630200_3244.html : The number one chemical concern in the world, the German BASF has announced on 16 January 2012 that it gives up the development and marketing of new transgenic products intended for the European Union. Clearly put: one of the largest among the few who banked on the GMO route to do agriculture is giving up in its own home turf, defeated by public opposition to its products which evidently do not live up to expectations. You will find some records in the business websites, mostly deploring the European hostility towards GMOs, the loss of jobs (about 150-170 in Europe, although many are relocated to North Carolina, for an overall loss of about 10 jobs altogether) and repeating again the idea that rejecting GMOs in the environment is tantamount to committing economic suicide and rejecting the future as if this was possible. I say that the future holds very little promise for GMOs altogether, and BASF is only the first to have the capacity to recognize the thirty years of bad investments. They can afford this move, which is not unannounced http://www.gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-news-items/13314-basf-pulls-the\ -plug-on-new-gm-crop-development-in-the-eu and forms part of a year-long reconfiguration of the company to navigate tighter economic straits ahead, because they are diversified and have strengths in other fields. Monsanto and Syngenta, for comparative example, have stood in complete dependency of GMOs since their mothership companies shed them off to swim or sink on transgenic markets twelve years ago; Bayer and Dow stand somewhere in between. Where Monsanto's stock would have floundered if they announced they were closing GMO R D in St Louis, Missouri, BASF's stock hardly budged on the equivalent news (it actually ticked upwards in the Frankfurt exchange) the timing of the news release may well have been a token of deference to BASF's partner Monsanto, protecting the latter's stock from the shock on a day when the US stock markets are closed. The reasons for the failure of BASF's products in Europe are many and very diverse, but the fundamental truth stands that over the decades no real benefit has offset the proven harm caused by GMOs. It is fine to blame the European public, but we know that this public is no better or worse than our own in the US or anywhere else had there been a GMO equivalent of the iPad, masses would have thronged the streets of Europe clamoring for their use. But it may be just as true that BASF would continue to push GMOs into Europe were it not for the tireless and creative work of many hundreds of thousands, the kinds of numbers needed these days to make a self-evident point which counters accepted official policy. So I say to our European friends: embrace the credit that is hurled at you and loudly celebrate what will not be announced as your victory in the newspapers. We are left in desolate America, though, land of government by Monsanto, where BASF is relocating its GMO headquarters (some specialty technical BASF outfits remain in Ghent and Berlin). In the North it is impossible to know where the nearest non-GMO plant may be, while in the South and in Mexico the tragedy of GMO soy- and corn-agriculture continues apace, driven by corrupt or willfully ignorant governments and against public opinion much stronger and much more vocal than what we have seen in Europe. Far from recognizing the failure of GMOs altogether, something that should have happened at least a decade ago, BASF identifies the opportunities offered by the brutal realities of the Third World, opportunities which are better capitalized with
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Need is for National Yagya
Maharishi's National Yagya Program is a powerful application of the technology of Yagya on a national scale to prevent problems and improve the fortune of an entire nation. National Yagyas involve especially large groups of Maharishi Vedic Pandits located at the Brahmasthan (the geographic center and resonant power spot) of India. These National Yagyas continue over many days or even weeks, depending on the size of the desired effect and the magnitude of the problem being averted or defused, for example a natural disaster, violent outbreak, or severe economic downturn. While Yogic Flying produces a powerful, generalized, non-directed surge of positivity for the general well-being of society, Yagyas create a very focused, concentrated influence of positivity designed to neutralize specific threats. Like the threats that are looming today. [LAUNCHING: THE NEW NATIONAL YAGYA PROGRAM] Maharishi has designed the most powerful system of Yagya the world has ever seen. The Maharishi National YagyaSM program is a massive application of Yagya on a national scale, specifically engineered to produce the largest possible impact on an entire nation. Focus for 2012: Maharishi Yagyas® for the Nation Join us in this great endeavor, please.Let us launch this powerful new program, may abundant good fortune smile on America, and may Maharishi's great legacy of peace and enlightenment permanently bless the human race. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] English Wikipedia anti-SOPA blackout
To: English Wikipedia Readers and Community From: Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Date: January 16, 2012 Today, the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black out the English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC on Wednesday, January 18 (you can read the statement from the Wikimedia Foundation here). The blackout is a protest against proposed legislation in the United Statesthe Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senatethat, if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including Wikipedia. This will be the first time the English Wikipedia has ever staged a public protest of this nature, and it's a decision that wasn't lightly made. Here's how it's been described by the three Wikipedia administrators who formally facilitated the community's discussion. From the public statement, signed by User:NuclearWarfare, User:Risker and User:Billinghurst: It is the opinion of the English Wikipedia community that both of these bills, if passed, would be devastating to the free and open web. Over the course of the past 72 hours, over 1800 Wikipedians have joined together to discuss proposed actions that the community might wish to take against SOPA and PIPA. This is by far the largest level of participation in a community discussion ever seen on Wikipedia, which illustrates the level of concern that Wikipedians feel about this proposed legislation. The overwhelming majority of participants support community action to encourage greater public action in response to these two bills. Of the proposals considered by Wikipedians, those that would result in a blackout of the English Wikipedia, in concert with similar blackouts on other websites opposed to SOPA and PIPA, received the strongest support. On careful review of this discussion, the closing administrators note the broad-based support for action from Wikipedians around the world, not just from within the United States. The primary objection to a global blackout came from those who preferred that the blackout be limited to readers from the United States, with the rest of the world seeing a simple banner notice instead. We also noted that roughly 55% of those supporting a blackout preferred that it be a global one, with many pointing to concerns about similar legislation in other nations. In making this decision, Wikipedians will be criticized for seeming to abandon neutrality to take a political position. That's a real, legitimate issue. We want people to trust Wikipedia, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them. But although Wikipedia's articles are neutral, its existence is not. As Wikimedia Foundation board member Kat Walsh wrote on one of our mailing lists recently, We depend on a legal infrastructure that makes it possible for us to operate. And we depend on a legal infrastructure that also allows other sites to host user-contributed material, both information and expression. For the most part, Wikimedia projects are organizing and summarizing and collecting the world's knowledge. We're putting it in context, and showing people how to make to sense of it. But that knowledge has to be published somewhere for anyone to find and use it. Where it can be censored without due process, it hurts the speaker, the public, and Wikimedia. Where you can only speak if you have sufficient resources to fight legal challenges, or, if your views are pre-approved by someone who does, the same narrow set of ideas already popular will continue to be all anyone has meaningful access to. The decision to shut down the English Wikipedia wasn't made by me; it was made by editors, through a consensus decision-making process. But I support it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:25 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: No, Vaj, the only possible response here should have been: Robin, you are wrong. I *have* met you. I know you. And you will have to take back these words. Vaj: That fact should be already obvious, at least it is to several here. It doesn't matter to me if you take them back or not. RESPONSE 2: No, no, no, Vaj: for what you say here to be true must mean that everyone but three persons at FFL are deliberately and wilfully refusing to grant you the chance to prove that you are not lying. In other words, only these three persons are sufficiently non-biased and impartial to be able to apprehendboth intuitively and objectivelythat you are in fact telling the truth about TM, Maharishi, me, and those seminars. The rest of the FFL posters have some need *not* to believe you. Now what could that be? Not one poster at FFLand there must have been hundreds and hundreds since the beginning of FFLhas ever conceived of the scenario whereby people at FFL would be scrupulous and skeptical about anyone claiming to be a TM meditator, claiming to be a TM initiator, claiming to know Maharishi personally. The issue simply would never come up. After all, being initiated into TM is not some Secret Society with elaborate handshakes and a Skull Bones harrowing initiation [where you have to give a complete account of your sexual history]. Your comments about TMand everyone here has commented on TM: there must be 5,000 such comments that have been made since Rick first created this forum*drew attention to themselves, as they almost invariably exhibited the evidence of someone who had never done TM, let alone taught TM. Let us say that all the posters at FFL not only attended a specific play on Broadway but eventually auditioned for that play and acted in it. FFL, in this analogy, was formed to essentially talk about that play and what it was like not just to see it, but to be in itand even to meet the playwright. Along comes someone who professes to have seen the production of the play, acted in that production, and yes, known the author personally. But in everything he says he conspicuously reveals that he could not have seen the play, because it was not mounted the way he says it was; he has the plot all wrong; and he discusses the leading actors in a way that is separated from the experience of having seen these actors live and on stage. Now three persons, for reasons only known to them, seek to burnish the credentials of this controversial drama critic who has been highly critical of this production, but who suspiciously appears never to have seen the production. Evidently the supporters of this critic (who is disbelieved by the majority of posters at FFL as having seen the production, let alone acted in the Broadway company associated with the play) find him useful in their determination to pan the artistic integrity of the playeven as there are other critics of the play who believe the play to have some severe even fatal weaknessesbut who can examine the play's flaws without necessarily suspending their critical faculties when it comes to believing in the bona fides of this singular critic. You are referring here to those three critics. Your response, then, Vaj, makes no sense. It isif we take you at your wordnot just that you don't care if you are believed or not (whether you have even been on Broadway; you go much further than this: You wish to impugn your own credibility by deliberately giving the impression that you have not seen the play, acted in it, met the author by making sure whenever you talk about the production you say things which no other member of the audience would say, let along someone who has acted in the production. Or who has discussed the play with its author. Either this, or you are making the whole thing up. Now there has been someone who has posted recently here at FFL who I recognize as a person who really did attend those seminars, someone who would presumably be familiar with you. Would you like me to ask them point-blank whether they remember you or not? IIf any of what you say is true, Vaj, what's the game here? We have seen snow; we have played in the snow; we have built snowmen. You say you have stomped through the snow as well; but it is as if you keep telling us that snow is green and makes a lot of noise when it falls from the sky. In fact TM is not like this at all. Be sure that we find your comments about other productions on Broadway [which you have indeed seen] to be interesting; but we wonder why you continue to pretend to have been a part of a production which leaves a particular impression on everyone who saw the production and especially those who acted in it, when you do not bear that impression upon your person whatsoever. Same goes for the play I wrote and mounted. You either
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:41 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Same goes for the play I wrote and mounted. You either saw the play or were a cast member, or you didn't see the play and did not appear on stage. Those who profess to believe in your testimony have to work a lot harder to make the case for your credibility than those who find themselves continually ambushed by evidence you have never seen the play, a play which often is the center of discussion and argument here. Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? Exactly. No need.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
Hi Robin, As a long term point of perspective, I have been reading valve job's posts here for about six years, both on FFL and a forum where he used to post but was kicked off for revealing personal info (mine). These claims of his to be a TM teacher and now having met you previously, are fairly recent. He wouldn't have dared make them to the group that booted him - It is a small knowledgeable group and they would have called BS on him immediately. Why he is doing it now is as some sort of distraction from a blocked area of his life, sexual, spiritual, economic, social, who knows? The point being it has a lot to do with valve job, and nothing to do with you, though you appear to be the target for his self-distraction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:25 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: No, Vaj, the only possible response here should have been: Robin, you are wrong. I *have* met you. I know you. And you will have to take back these words. Vaj: That fact should be already obvious, at least it is to several here. It doesn't matter to me if you take them back or not. RESPONSE 2: No, no, no, Vaj: for what you say here to be true must mean that everyone but three persons at FFL are deliberately and wilfully refusing to grant you the chance to prove that you are not lying. In other words, only these three persons are sufficiently non-biased and impartial to be able to apprehendboth intuitively and objectivelythat you are in fact telling the truth about TM, Maharishi, me, and those seminars. The rest of the FFL posters have some need *not* to believe you. Now what could that be? Not one poster at FFLand there must have been hundreds and hundreds since the beginning of FFLhas ever conceived of the scenario whereby people at FFL would be scrupulous and skeptical about anyone claiming to be a TM meditator, claiming to be a TM initiator, claiming to know Maharishi personally. The issue simply would never come up. After all, being initiated into TM is not some Secret Society with elaborate handshakes and a Skull Bones harrowing initiation [where you have to give a complete account of your sexual history]. Your comments about TMand everyone here has commented on TM: there must be 5,000 such comments that have been made since Rick first created this forum*drew attention to themselves, as they almost invariably exhibited the evidence of someone who had never done TM, let alone taught TM. Let us say that all the posters at FFL not only attended a specific play on Broadway but eventually auditioned for that play and acted in it. FFL, in this analogy, was formed to essentially talk about that play and what it was like not just to see it, but to be in itand even to meet the playwright. Along comes someone who professes to have seen the production of the play, acted in that production, and yes, known the author personally. But in everything he says he conspicuously reveals that he could not have seen the play, because it was not mounted the way he says it was; he has the plot all wrong; and he discusses the leading actors in a way that is separated from the experience of having seen these actors live and on stage. Now three persons, for reasons only known to them, seek to burnish the credentials of this controversial drama critic who has been highly critical of this production, but who suspiciously appears never to have seen the production. Evidently the supporters of this critic (who is disbelieved by the majority of posters at FFL as having seen the production, let alone acted in the Broadway company associated with the play) find him useful in their determination to pan the artistic integrity of the playeven as there are other critics of the play who believe the play to have some severe even fatal weaknessesbut who can examine the play's flaws without necessarily suspending their critical faculties when it comes to believing in the bona fides of this singular critic. You are referring here to those three critics. Your response, then, Vaj, makes no sense. It isif we take you at your wordnot just that you don't care if you are believed or not (whether you have even been on Broadway; you go much further than this: You wish to impugn your own credibility by deliberately giving the impression that you have not seen the play, acted in it, met the author by making sure whenever you talk about the production you say things which no other member of the audience would say, let along someone who has acted in the production. Or who has discussed the play with its author. Either this, or you are making the whole thing up. Now there has been someone who has posted recently here at FFL who I recognize as a person who really did attend those seminars, someone
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[FairfieldLife] Monday at Camel Rock
Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? That is part of the reason I think the whole Vaj is a fraud schtick lacks merit. It does not account for motive. Here is a guy who has hung around here for a really long time. Judy has proposed some ideas of why he might be so interested in posting here, without having been a TMer, like having a loved on who was. According to this thoery he had a relative who was harmed,so he took up a crusade for years to subtly undermine the movement by posting that TM is a beginners practice, that Maharishi does not represent the tradition he claims, to a bunch of people whose affiliation to the movement might be summed up in the word: raggedy? So he doggedly peruses this with mission for years, impersonating a person who once gave a shit about Maharishi... But that is not his only bizarre fixation on something with no personal experience. No. He has a second mission that he is invested enough in to post about here to once again dupe this group of Maharishi's misfit toys, he is fascinated with you. See I was in the movement when you were rocking the boat Robin and I know that detailed knowledge about you was really not that easy to come by. And I was a full-timer. The faithful hid behind a carefully prescribed set of rumors of denunciation. They were recited when your name came up. And in polite mind controlled movement society, you got no extra credit points for appearing too knowledgeable about the details of your blasphemy. You scared us. And the movement's judgement about our appearing to associate with you scared us even more. Starting a sentence at dinner table over the Mexican Night's re-fried beans and rice (lard free, now THAT is blasphemy) with the phrase Robin's pamphlet says... even as a prelude to denunciation was the equivalent to quoting Karl Marx while defending yourself at the McCarthy hearings. My favorite quote of that era about you was from a National big wig who said About HIM we don't even speak with all the drama of Bela Lugosi honing in on an innocent's neck. (kinda sexy, all vampire movies are kinda sexy even when they are blatantly homo-errotic, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise! Great pair for the if you were who would you do game BTW. Vaj's story has some credibility for me because he has one at all. The rest of us do-bees stayed as far away from you as our lotus posture emaciated legs could carry us. I gunna try to sum up the reasons people believe Vaj is now a double imposter of a person with a personal connection to the movement and to you and I'm sure the people who are behind this position can beef up this skeleton. Why people don't believe Vaj was a TM teacher or even a TMer: He has said things that seemed to some people to contradict Maharishi's teaching concerning the practice of TM itself. (people used to use this technique on me to prove that I NEVER really understood Maharishi's teaching because I now express it though my current filter and derisive language. In an interview I talked about getting my buzz from the technique and was highly denounced for such a non TM approved way to look at the practice. He has denounced Robin's perspective on Maharishi's personal presence as silly because he believes he was a spiritual charlatan with zero woo-woo. He has refused to give dates about when he was taught TM or made a teacher, which we couldn't verify anyway. (Please feel free to add to the list if you are interested in this.) Why Robin doesn't believe Vaj ever met him in person or has personal knowledge of how he conducted himself as a guru: Vaj claims to have met Robin in a hotel room and Robin does not remember this meeting. Vaj claims to have personal knowledge about goings on in Robin's cult including but not limited to bitch slapping the unenlightened (for their own good of course). Robin denies these events happened. Reasons Curtis believes that the probability of Vaj being both a TM teacher and having personal knowledge about Robin's activities while Robin was acting on the premise that he was in the KNOW and the rest of us weren't.(His Holy-Mess Maharishi was the exception to the I am and you aren't self perception): I believe Vaj because in my mission to bring down the movement I need as many other partisan fighters as I can gather, so even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he never took TM, because he speaks out against Maharishi, he must be supported at all costs despite the obvious lie... psyche. Anywhoo there are my reasons: Vaj gives a shit. No he REALLY gives a shit. He appears personally offended that Maharishi would pretend to represent a tradition of knowledge that he values. (and which I still make jokes about like did you hear the one about the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, futur.musik wrote: These claims of his to be a TM teacher and now having met you previously, are fairly recent. He wouldn't have dared make them to the group that booted him - It is a small knowledgeable group and they would have called BS on him immediately. The primary enlightened person on the list who gave me a hard time committed suicide shortly thereafter, so I don't know how knowledgeable I'd consider these folks. They were generally friendly folks and conversant in modern advaita-speak, but otherwise not really that experientially helpful. YMMV, but for me the let me talk about my enlightenment crowd weren't what I was lead to believe and, really, of little interest (to me). Narcissus loves his mirror. It's just not so exciting watching him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
Sounds great Marek! I used to love a day in the ocean. Never considered before how surfers sit on their boards waiting for a set, and in the Winter that gets cold. I used to boogie board in the Winter, but that meant standing and waiting for a wave much closer in. In fact never dared to go in further than about mid-thigh during a storm, since Boogies aren't much in the open ocean. I remember once at a beach near Half Moon Bay, I was coming out of the water and the swells were so strong that one broke, and the water was moving so fast sloping up the beach, only about an inch deep, but it knocked me off my feet! I popped the zipper on my suit awhile back. I oughta get it repaired. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
RESPONSE: This response of yours, Vaj, reminds me of what the antithesis would be of Seth Rogan's first words at the Golden Globe Awards when he stepped out with his co-presenter Kate Beckinsale to announce the nominees for Best Actress in a Film, Musical or Comedy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:41 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Same goes for the play I wrote and mounted. You either saw the play or were a cast member, or you didn't see the play and did not appear on stage. Those who profess to believe in your testimony have to work a lot harder to make the case for your credibility than those who find themselves continually ambushed by evidence you have never seen the play, a play which often is the center of discussion and argument here. Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? Exactly. No need.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
Thanks for proving once and for all that I am a complete pussy Marek! Give me the address so that I can send my nutsack to the appropriate facility in one of those plastic mailing bags they use to send in your outdated cell phones. In Kayaking there is a fear of the effect in cold water called the gasp effect of hitting too cold water and having your lungs involuntarily suck in enough water to drown you. I know that they use wetsuits to counter this. Is that something you have heard about and is it a factor for surfers? http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/safety/coldwaterimmersion.shtml I'll check back for your answer later because it has come to my attention that now that I am nuts-free I can pursue my interest in vintage Barbie dolls dressed up as dominatrixes without shame. http://inventorspot.com/articles/barbie_15545 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
Ha-ha! That was awesome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: RESPONSE: This response of yours, Vaj, reminds me of what the antithesis would be of Seth Rogan's first words at the Golden Globe Awards when he stepped out with his co-presenter Kate Beckinsale to announce the nominees for Best Actress in a Film, Musical or Comedy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:41 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Same goes for the play I wrote and mounted. You either saw the play or were a cast member, or you didn't see the play and did not appear on stage. Those who profess to believe in your testimony have to work a lot harder to make the case for your credibility than those who find themselves continually ambushed by evidence you have never seen the play, a play which often is the center of discussion and argument here. Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? Exactly. No need.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
Just so I understand you clearly, you are saying that a person who gave you a hard time, had no integrity or knowledge, about *anything* apparently, because they took their own life. Because they committed suicide, that nullifies anything they said or contributed in your direction, at least. You are unwell in your heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, futur.musik wrote: These claims of his to be a TM teacher and now having met you previously, are fairly recent. He wouldn't have dared make them to the group that booted him - It is a small knowledgeable group and they would have called BS on him immediately. The primary enlightened person on the list who gave me a hard time committed suicide shortly thereafter, so I don't know how knowledgeable I'd consider these folks. They were generally friendly folks and conversant in modern advaita-speak, but otherwise not really that experientially helpful. YMMV, but for me the let me talk about my enlightenment crowd weren't what I was lead to believe and, really, of little interest (to me). Narcissus loves his mirror. It's just not so exciting watching him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that. What could possibly be more than a great day doing what one loves? Thanks for reminding folks here what it means to have a life. Given the number who seem to specialize in demonstrating that they don't, the reminder seems timely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:59 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: This response of yours, Vaj, reminds me of what the antithesis would be of Seth Rogan's first words at the Golden Globe Awards when he stepped out with his co-presenter Kate Beckinsale to announce the nominees for Best Actress in a Film, Musical or Comedy. Not sure what to say: I didn't watch or record it, sorry Robin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. In the past you're outlined some of the reasons you don't believe this Vaj was never a TMer bullshit, and I agree with them. But the reason I disbelieve it the most is because he knows stuff -- trivia, inside jokes, etc. -- that *no one on earth would care about* but an old TMer. You kinda have to have been in the cult to even CARE. No one else would be insane enough TO care. As I reminded people a few days ago, all of this is not really about RWC answering Vaj's claims; he has no inten- tion of ever doing that. It's all about him trying to get Vaj (or you) to engage in head-to-head battle with him so that he can get his sick ego-rocks off. Nothing has changed since he ran the same routine in Fairfield. He was an absolute nobody trying desperately to get attention then, and he's an absolute nobody trying des- perately to get attention now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? That is part of the reason I think the whole Vaj is a fraud schtick lacks merit. It does not account for motive. Here is a guy who has hung around here for a really long time. Judy has proposed some ideas of why he might be so interested in posting here, without having been a TMer, like having a loved on who was. According to this thoery he had a relative who was harmed,so he took up a crusade for years to subtly undermine the movement by posting that TM is a beginners practice, that Maharishi does not represent the tradition he claims, to a bunch of people whose affiliation to the movement might be summed up in the word: raggedy? So he doggedly peruses this with mission for years, impersonating a person who once gave a shit about Maharishi... But that is not his only bizarre fixation on something with no personal experience. No. He has a second mission that he is invested enough in to post about here to once again dupe this group of Maharishi's misfit toys, he is fascinated with you. See I was in the movement when you were rocking the boat Robin and I know that detailed knowledge about you was really not that easy to come by. And I was a full-timer. The faithful hid behind a carefully prescribed set of rumors of denunciation. They were recited when your name came up. And in polite mind controlled movement society, you got no extra credit points for appearing too knowledgeable about the details of your blasphemy. You scared us. And the movement's judgement about our appearing to associate with you scared us even more. Starting a sentence at dinner table over the Mexican Night's re-fried beans and rice (lard free, now THAT is blasphemy) with the phrase Robin's pamphlet says... even as a prelude to denunciation was the equivalent to quoting Karl Marx while defending yourself at the McCarthy hearings. My favorite quote of that era about you was from a National big wig who said About HIM we don't even speak with all the drama of Bela Lugosi honing in on an innocent's neck. (kinda sexy, all vampire movies are kinda sexy even when they are blatantly homo-errotic, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise! Great pair for the if you were who would you do game BTW. Vaj's story has some credibility for me because he has one at all. The rest of us do-bees stayed as far away from you as our lotus posture emaciated legs could carry us. I gunna try to sum up the reasons people believe Vaj is now a double imposter of a person with a personal connection to the movement and to you and I'm sure the people who are behind this position can beef up this skeleton. Why people don't believe Vaj was a TM teacher or even a TMer: He has said things that seemed to some people to contradict Maharishi's teaching concerning the practice of TM itself. (people used to use this technique on me to prove that I NEVER really understood Maharishi's teaching because I now express it though my current filter and derisive language. In an interview I talked about getting my buzz from the technique and was highly denounced for such a non TM approved way to look at the practice. He has denounced Robin's perspective on Maharishi's personal presence as silly because he believes he was a spiritual charlatan with zero woo-woo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at the process of transcendental meditation, what you experience is you are handing off the process and letting nature take it over. That is it. If we are able to culture our system to do that under all circumstances, we are home free. It is the personal sense of will that interferes with this process in daily life. 'Transcendental meditation' as a principle can be practiced many ways; Maharishi seems to have discovered a compact technique that encapsulates this principle; it is quite a stroke of genius. There are those that have come by the principle in other ways that have been successful; whatever works to imbue this principle in our lives is more powerful than simply following a rigid formula in regard to what truth might be. You seem to be starting to sound like the vengeful force that permeates the Torah and other books that Christians call the Old Testament. Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on the State of Virginia, 1787)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
Yes I agree about the insider's perspective in jokes as being probably the most internally compelling affinity with another veteran in the we represent supreme knowledge war. I can't share your total denunciation of Robin since I did share a bunch of great posts with him before he was taken over by a consuming interest in my flaws.I obviously enjoy him more than you do. I agree that Judy has set the agenda for this angle and I have to give credit for her forceful personality that so many have taken up this perspective. (And yes I know it is possible that everyone just came to this conclusion independently, but I don't find this as likely.) The real question that needs answers is if you WERE who would you do between Brad and Tom. Before you react as I first did with Of course Brad because he us so uber hot that even a straight guy can see it, I would like to make a counterpoint that he is hot in that scruffy masculine sort of way that really doesn't work for your average hetero playing this game, despite the fact that he would be the obvious choice to have a post whatever-went-on beer with... Tom OTHO, although a completely loathsome creature, would make a more passable chick if seen in dim light through multiple beer goggles especially if he would be willing to slip into an aquamarine teddy that brings out his eyes. (not that I have made such a mental image or suggest your doing so, but if you do don't forget to hide his big man feet in some pink Hello Kittie slippers or something.) Sorry to have inflicted you with a desire to scrub out the back of your eyes with these images. The desire to rid yourself of them only makes it worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. In the past you're outlined some of the reasons you don't believe this Vaj was never a TMer bullshit, and I agree with them. But the reason I disbelieve it the most is because he knows stuff -- trivia, inside jokes, etc. -- that *no one on earth would care about* but an old TMer. You kinda have to have been in the cult to even CARE. No one else would be insane enough TO care. As I reminded people a few days ago, all of this is not really about RWC answering Vaj's claims; he has no inten- tion of ever doing that. It's all about him trying to get Vaj (or you) to engage in head-to-head battle with him so that he can get his sick ego-rocks off. Nothing has changed since he ran the same routine in Fairfield. He was an absolute nobody trying desperately to get attention then, and he's an absolute nobody trying des- perately to get attention now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? That is part of the reason I think the whole Vaj is a fraud schtick lacks merit. It does not account for motive. Here is a guy who has hung around here for a really long time. Judy has proposed some ideas of why he might be so interested in posting here, without having been a TMer, like having a loved on who was. According to this thoery he had a relative who was harmed,so he took up a crusade for years to subtly undermine the movement by posting that TM is a beginners practice, that Maharishi does not represent the tradition he claims, to a bunch of people whose affiliation to the movement might be summed up in the word: raggedy? So he doggedly peruses this with mission for years, impersonating a person who once gave a shit about Maharishi... But that is not his only bizarre fixation on something with no personal experience. No. He has a second mission that he is invested enough in to post about here to once again dupe this group of Maharishi's misfit toys, he is fascinated with you. See I was in the movement when you were rocking the boat Robin and I know that detailed knowledge about you was really not that easy to come by. And I was a full-timer. The faithful hid behind a carefully prescribed set of rumors of denunciation. They were recited when your name came up. And in polite mind controlled movement society, you got no extra credit points for appearing too knowledgeable about the details of your blasphemy. You scared us. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Not getting into the whole Vaj-Robin thing since I have zero firsthand knowledge of any of it. But: snip Why people don't believe Vaj was a TM teacher or even a TMer: He has said things that seemed to some people to contradict Maharishi's teaching concerning the practice of TM itself. (people used to use this technique on me to prove that I NEVER really understood Maharishi's teaching because I now express it though my current filter and derisive language. In an interview I talked about getting my buzz from the technique and was highly denounced for such a non TM approved way to look at the practice. Not even remotely equivalent, Curtis. From my perspective, it's the clueless misrepresentation of the very most basic instructions for practice that's the giveaway. And that's supported now, on the record, by something like eight teachers, mostly former, who represent varying degrees of support for/antipathy toward TM. I make the point once again: Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever questioned the TM-teacher credentials of even the very most derisive of the TM critics on FFL--except for those of Vaj. OK, there's one comment on Vaj vs. Robin that I can make based on firsthand knowledge: Entirely aside from the issue of whether Vaj was a TM teacher, Vaj has frequently lied or attempted to mislead about a range of TM-related material, including about some of the TMers here and about what's been said in the discussions. As far as I can tell, Robin has not. Indeed, a number of folks have remarked on his evident scrupulous, at times painful, honesty. So given a question about which none of the rest of us has any solid information, just going by the degree of credibility Vaj and Robin have established in their participation on FFL, I'm strongly inclined to trust Robin's account of Vaj's claim to have known him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. Very observant and accurate, thanks! http://youtu.be/RVUtWvuHs9U
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
In my short time on this forum, I have never felt Vaj was a TM meditator, so perhaps I have missed something. I agree that he makes valid points worth thinking about. I am not familiar with what must be the material Barry refers to in thinking Vaj is a TM meditator, or at least has been close to some of them. Making a valid point does not mean one has to be in the specific context of a person you are arguing with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. Very observant and accurate, thanks!
Re: [FairfieldLife] English Wikipedia anti-SOPA blackout
On 01/17/2012 05:40 AM, raunchydog wrote: To: English Wikipedia Readers and Community From: Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Date: January 16, 2012 Today, the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black out the English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC on Wednesday, January 18 (you can read the statement from the Wikimedia Foundation here). The blackout is a protest against proposed legislation in the United States—the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate—that, if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including Wikipedia. This will be the first time the English Wikipedia has ever staged a public protest of this nature, and it's a decision that wasn't lightly made. Here's how it's been described by the three Wikipedia administrators who formally facilitated the community's discussion. From the public statement, signed by User:NuclearWarfare, User:Risker and User:Billinghurst: It is the opinion of the English Wikipedia community that both of these bills, if passed, would be devastating to the free and open web. Over the course of the past 72 hours, over 1800 Wikipedians have joined together to discuss proposed actions that the community might wish to take against SOPA and PIPA. This is by far the largest level of participation in a community discussion ever seen on Wikipedia, which illustrates the level of concern that Wikipedians feel about this proposed legislation. The overwhelming majority of participants support community action to encourage greater public action in response to these two bills. Of the proposals considered by Wikipedians, those that would result in a blackout of the English Wikipedia, in concert with similar blackouts on other websites opposed to SOPA and PIPA, received the strongest support. On careful review of this discussion, the closing administrators note the broad-based support for action from Wikipedians around the world, not just from within the United States. The primary objection to a global blackout came from those who preferred that the blackout be limited to readers from the United States, with the rest of the world seeing a simple banner notice instead. We also noted that roughly 55% of those supporting a blackout preferred that it be a global one, with many pointing to concerns about similar legislation in other nations. In making this decision, Wikipedians will be criticized for seeming to abandon neutrality to take a political position. That's a real, legitimate issue. We want people to trust Wikipedia, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them. But although Wikipedia's articles are neutral, its existence is not. As Wikimedia Foundation board member Kat Walsh wrote on one of our mailing lists recently, We depend on a legal infrastructure that makes it possible for us to operate. And we depend on a legal infrastructure that also allows other sites to host user-contributed material, both information and expression. For the most part, Wikimedia projects are organizing and summarizing and collecting the world's knowledge. We're putting it in context, and showing people how to make to sense of it. But that knowledge has to be published somewhere for anyone to find and use it. Where it can be censored without due process, it hurts the speaker, the public, and Wikimedia. Where you can only speak if you have sufficient resources to fight legal challenges, or, if your views are pre-approved by someone who does, the same narrow set of ideas already popular will continue to be all anyone has meaningful access to. The decision to shut down the English Wikipedia wasn't made by me; it was made by editors, through a consensus decision-making process. But I support it. Google will also be joining the protest tomorrow. Though Google won't be blacked out they are going post a notice on the site: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57360223-261/google-will-protest-sopa-using-popular-home-page/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: In my short time on this forum, I have never felt Vaj was a TM meditator, so perhaps I have missed something. I agree that he makes valid points worth thinking about. I am not familiar with what must be the material Barry refers to in thinking Vaj is a TM meditator, or at least has been close to some of them. Making a valid point does not mean one has to be in the specific context of a person you are arguing with. You have to understand, from my POV, TM is passe. At a certain point, I stopped relating to it as a valid practice in terms of where I was at. So in order to relate to it at all, it meant I had to re-inhabit that old discarded mindset. I got to a point where I didn't enjoy, nor did I find it valuable to be putting my consciousness, my new wine, in that old skin anymore.
[FairfieldLife] Woz concedes advantages of Android over iPhone
He wishes that his iPhone could to the things his Android phone does: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57359883-37/woz-concedes-android-advantages-over-iphone/ And only in crass commercial capitalist Amerika would Siri devolve into an advertising medium: I used to ask, 'What are the prime numbers greater than 87?' and it would answer. Now instead of getting prime numbers, I get listings for prime rib, or prime real estate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. Yes; !Amarkoners repent! Yes, it is in the Greek I pray for these really big Amarkoners here to return home. These TM expatriates. The ex-patriots indeed. Here we have one of the biggest natural law peace-creating things going on and these guys spurn it always puking on it here. That is spiritual sin in the Greek way as also per the FFL Resolution on Sin too. Is perfectly fair to judge who is with us in this natural law too as transcendentalists and who is against it, and us. It is calling sin for what it is, a sin a sin. Thank you for your very learned comments. An old and Kindly meditator, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This is kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at the process of transcendental meditation, what you experience is you are handing off the process and letting nature take it over. That is it. If we are able to culture our system to do that under all circumstances, we are home free. It is the personal sense of will that interferes with this process in daily life. 'Transcendental meditation' as a principle can be practiced many ways; Maharishi seems to have discovered a compact technique that encapsulates this principle; it is quite a stroke of genius. There are those that have come by the principle in other ways that have been successful; whatever works to imbue this principle in our lives is more powerful than simply following a rigid formula in regard to what truth might be. You seem to be starting to sound like the vengeful force that permeates the Torah and other books that Christians call the Old Testament. Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on the State of Virginia, 1787)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
It goes deeper than that. When I first joined FFL about 5 or 6 years ago, you never spoke about TM as someone who had even done it. Your big thing at the time was promoting Buddhist practices. It is much more recent, about the last two years, that you have tried to convince people that you practiced and taught TM. To the extent that you claim these things, I don't care, but when you use these false credentials to bolster the things you say regarding TM and Maharishi, that is dirty pool and you know it. Why have you stopped talking about your experiences of Buddhist practices? These are recent, and no doubt far more interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: In my short time on this forum, I have never felt Vaj was a TM meditator, so perhaps I have missed something. I agree that he makes valid points worth thinking about. I am not familiar with what must be the material Barry refers to in thinking Vaj is a TM meditator, or at least has been close to some of them. Making a valid point does not mean one has to be in the specific context of a person you are arguing with. You have to understand, from my POV, TM is passe. At a certain point, I stopped relating to it as a valid practice in terms of where I was at. So in order to relate to it at all, it meant I had to re-inhabit that old discarded mindset. I got to a point where I didn't enjoy, nor did I find it valuable to be putting my consciousness, my new wine, in that old skin anymore.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:45 PM, futur.musik wrote: It goes deeper than that. When I first joined FFL about 5 or 6 years ago, you never spoke about TM as someone who had even done it. Your big thing at the time was promoting Buddhist practices. It is much more recent, about the last two years, that you have tried to convince people that you practiced and taught TM. To the extent that you claim these things, I don't care, but when you use these false credentials to bolster the things you say regarding TM and Maharishi, that is dirty pool and you know it. Why have you stopped talking about your experiences of Buddhist practices? These are recent, and no doubt far more interesting. If by recent you mean, the last thirty years, then I guess you could call that recent. Really it's the wrong audience to discuss such things - I would tend only to discuss such things: 1) in a teaching situation, 2) by people who share the same vows and permissions that I do and that have sufficient experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:45 PM, futur.musik wrote: It goes deeper than that. When I first joined FFL about 5 or 6 years ago, you never spoke about TM as someone who had even done it. Your big thing at the time was promoting Buddhist practices. It is much more recent, about the last two years, that you have tried to convince people that you practiced and taught TM. To the extent that you claim these things, I don't care, but when you use these false credentials to bolster the things you say regarding TM and Maharishi, that is dirty pool and you know it. Why have you stopped talking about your experiences of Buddhist practices? These are recent, and no doubt far more interesting. If by recent you mean, the last thirty years, then I guess you could call that recent. Really it's the wrong audience to discuss such things - I would tend only to discuss such things: 1) in a teaching situation, 2) by people who share the same vows and permissions that I do and that have sufficient experience. So that leaves you solely the option of talking as a false authority about TM and Maharishi. Yeah, I see your point.
[FairfieldLife] Live from Occupy Congress
Today Occupy protesters are in Washington, DC for Occupy Congress. Watch the video stream here: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
For what it's worth, a good friend of mine told me that Robin, SCREAMING ALOUD AT HER, slapped her in the face in front of the audience -- trying to get the demons out of her. That was all I needed to know about Robin. All his writings are for shit if he isn't willing to own up to the fact that he thought bitch slapping was spiritual therapy. I put Robin and Ravi in the same category. Totally in love with their brains buzzings. I have compassion, cuz we all loves the brains, but my friend never agreed to be slapped and humiliated in order to up-notch her spiritual ken, and I count that as assault and battery. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? That is part of the reason I think the whole Vaj is a fraud schtick lacks merit. It does not account for motive. Here is a guy who has hung around here for a really long time. Judy has proposed some ideas of why he might be so interested in posting here, without having been a TMer, like having a loved on who was. According to this thoery he had a relative who was harmed,so he took up a crusade for years to subtly undermine the movement by posting that TM is a beginners practice, that Maharishi does not represent the tradition he claims, to a bunch of people whose affiliation to the movement might be summed up in the word: raggedy? So he doggedly peruses this with mission for years, impersonating a person who once gave a shit about Maharishi... But that is not his only bizarre fixation on something with no personal experience. No. He has a second mission that he is invested enough in to post about here to once again dupe this group of Maharishi's misfit toys, he is fascinated with you. See I was in the movement when you were rocking the boat Robin and I know that detailed knowledge about you was really not that easy to come by. And I was a full-timer. The faithful hid behind a carefully prescribed set of rumors of denunciation. They were recited when your name came up. And in polite mind controlled movement society, you got no extra credit points for appearing too knowledgeable about the details of your blasphemy. You scared us. And the movement's judgement about our appearing to associate with you scared us even more. Starting a sentence at dinner table over the Mexican Night's re-fried beans and rice (lard free, now THAT is blasphemy) with the phrase Robin's pamphlet says... even as a prelude to denunciation was the equivalent to quoting Karl Marx while defending yourself at the McCarthy hearings. My favorite quote of that era about you was from a National big wig who said About HIM we don't even speak with all the drama of Bela Lugosi honing in on an innocent's neck. (kinda sexy, all vampire movies are kinda sexy even when they are blatantly homo-errotic, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise! Great pair for the if you were who would you do game BTW. Vaj's story has some credibility for me because he has one at all. The rest of us do-bees stayed as far away from you as our lotus posture emaciated legs could carry us. I gunna try to sum up the reasons people believe Vaj is now a double imposter of a person with a personal connection to the movement and to you and I'm sure the people who are behind this position can beef up this skeleton. Why people don't believe Vaj was a TM teacher or even a TMer: He has said things that seemed to some people to contradict Maharishi's teaching concerning the practice of TM itself. (people used to use this technique on me to prove that I NEVER really understood Maharishi's teaching because I now express it though my current filter and derisive language. In an interview I talked about getting my buzz from the technique and was highly denounced for such a non TM approved way to look at the practice. He has denounced Robin's perspective on Maharishi's personal presence as silly because he believes he was a spiritual charlatan with zero woo-woo. He has refused to give dates about when he was taught TM or made a teacher, which we couldn't verify anyway. (Please feel free to add to the list if you are interested in this.) Why Robin doesn't believe Vaj ever met him in person or has personal knowledge of how he conducted himself as a guru: Vaj claims to have met Robin in a hotel room and Robin does not remember this meeting. Vaj claims to have personal knowledge about goings on in Robin's cult including but not limited to bitch slapping the unenlightened (for their own good of course). Robin denies these events happened. Reasons Curtis believes that the probability of Vaj being both a TM teacher and having
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
RESPONSE: My entire argument rests on this single piece of evidence. Because it is Classic Vaj. You want to know how seriously and sincerely Vaj is dedicated to his testimony about his TM, Maharishi, and Robin past? Study this. It is a microcosm of everything he has ever said in rebuttal to my refusal to believe in the veracity of his claims. I mean it, folks. We have found our man. And Jesus wept. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:59 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: This response of yours, Vaj, reminds me of what the antithesis would be of Seth Rogan's first words at the Golden Globe Awards when he stepped out with his co-presenter Kate Beckinsale to announce the nominees for Best Actress in a Film, Musical or Comedy. VAJ: Not sure what to say: I didn't watch or record it, sorry Robin.
[FairfieldLife] A Critique Of Sam Harris et al Neural Correlates of Religious Belief
Brains, fMRI, scientific method and stuff: http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=4923 Did you know that regions of your brain light up when you think about Santa Claus or God? And that these regions are thought to be associated with various behaviors like excess emotion, schizophrenia, and other, gentler forms of nuttiness? It's all true. Scientists regularly stick people's heads inside machines, ask the people to think of this or that, and then watch as the machines show regions of the brain glowing orange. The scientists then employ statistical methods guaranteed to generate over-confidence, but which allow the scientists to write papers which contain broad, even bracing, claims about all of humanity and of how everybody's brain functions. This sort of thing is all the rage, so much so that hardly a week passes without new headlines about what secrets the Whitecoat Brigade have uncovered in the brain (this week: Study shows how scientists can now `read your mind'). It is therefore of great interest to us to examine this phenomena and see what it means
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:04 PM, futur.musik wrote: So that leaves you solely the option of talking as a false authority about TM and Maharishi. Yeah, I see your point. No, as someone who practiced TM/TMSP and as someone familiar with the foibles of Mahesh Yogi, I can comment as I please, albeit as someone with broader experience in tantric Hinduism and Buddhist tantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
RESPONSE: Someone was, from behind a curtain, hit with a book during one seminar. But this was the impetuous and rashand unpreventableact of a single person who came up on the stage without warning, and suddenly did the deed which precipitated a lawsuit. The individual so struck withdrew her lawsuit not very far in to her deposition. What happened to her was wrong, and I was embarrassed and compromised by this sudden violence. Lavern, I think was the name of the innocent victim. This act was never repeated in any subsequent seminar. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: For what it's worth, a good friend of mine told me that Robin, SCREAMING ALOUD AT HER, slapped her in the face in front of the audience -- trying to get the demons out of her. That was all I needed to know about Robin. All his writings are for shit if he isn't willing to own up to the fact that he thought bitch slapping was spiritual therapy. I put Robin and Ravi in the same category. Totally in love with their brains buzzings. I have compassion, cuz we all loves the brains, but my friend never agreed to be slapped and humiliated in order to up-notch her spiritual ken, and I count that as assault and battery. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? That is part of the reason I think the whole Vaj is a fraud schtick lacks merit. It does not account for motive. Here is a guy who has hung around here for a really long time. Judy has proposed some ideas of why he might be so interested in posting here, without having been a TMer, like having a loved on who was. According to this thoery he had a relative who was harmed,so he took up a crusade for years to subtly undermine the movement by posting that TM is a beginners practice, that Maharishi does not represent the tradition he claims, to a bunch of people whose affiliation to the movement might be summed up in the word: raggedy? So he doggedly peruses this with mission for years, impersonating a person who once gave a shit about Maharishi... But that is not his only bizarre fixation on something with no personal experience. No. He has a second mission that he is invested enough in to post about here to once again dupe this group of Maharishi's misfit toys, he is fascinated with you. See I was in the movement when you were rocking the boat Robin and I know that detailed knowledge about you was really not that easy to come by. And I was a full-timer. The faithful hid behind a carefully prescribed set of rumors of denunciation. They were recited when your name came up. And in polite mind controlled movement society, you got no extra credit points for appearing too knowledgeable about the details of your blasphemy. You scared us. And the movement's judgement about our appearing to associate with you scared us even more. Starting a sentence at dinner table over the Mexican Night's re-fried beans and rice (lard free, now THAT is blasphemy) with the phrase Robin's pamphlet says... even as a prelude to denunciation was the equivalent to quoting Karl Marx while defending yourself at the McCarthy hearings. My favorite quote of that era about you was from a National big wig who said About HIM we don't even speak with all the drama of Bela Lugosi honing in on an innocent's neck. (kinda sexy, all vampire movies are kinda sexy even when they are blatantly homo-errotic, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise! Great pair for the if you were who would you do game BTW. Vaj's story has some credibility for me because he has one at all. The rest of us do-bees stayed as far away from you as our lotus posture emaciated legs could carry us. I gunna try to sum up the reasons people believe Vaj is now a double imposter of a person with a personal connection to the movement and to you and I'm sure the people who are behind this position can beef up this skeleton. Why people don't believe Vaj was a TM teacher or even a TMer: He has said things that seemed to some people to contradict Maharishi's teaching concerning the practice of TM itself. (people used to use this technique on me to prove that I NEVER really understood Maharishi's teaching because I now express it though my current filter and derisive language. In an interview I talked about getting my buzz from the technique and was highly denounced for such a non TM approved way to look at the practice. He has denounced Robin's perspective on Maharishi's personal presence as silly because he believes he was a spiritual charlatan with zero woo-woo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: In my short time on this forum, I have never felt Vaj was a TM meditator, so perhaps I have missed something. I agree that he makes valid points worth thinking about. I am not familiar with what must be the material Barry refers to in thinking Vaj is a TM meditator, or at least has been close to some of them. Making a valid point does not mean one has to be in the specific context of a person you are arguing with. You have to understand, from my POV, TM is passe. At a certain point, I stopped relating to it as a valid practice in terms of where I was at. So in order to relate to it at all, it meant I had to re-inhabit that old discarded mindset. I got to a point where I didn't enjoy, nor did I find it valuable to be putting my consciousness, my new wine, in that old skin anymore. That's really it. I can force myself to use TM speak here, but it's like trying to talk to (or relate to) people as if they were in grade school, and still talk- ing and thinking the way they thought in grade school. The language used by Maharishi was just so vague and inaccurate and misleading that it's a real bringdown to have to use that same language these days, having learned that there are better ways to conceptualize things, and express them.
[FairfieldLife] The Scientific Yagya
Hearing another Vedic supremacist cult, with a much larger following, and heavily comprised of various scientists, spieling their own BS on yagyas is quite eye-opening: (...) A case in point is the worldwide popularity of the Gayatri Parivar, a Haridwar-based organization which teaches 'scientific spirituality' through the recitation ofthe Gayatri mantra, accompanied by collective performance of yagnas, often on a truly massive scale involving many thousands making oblations to 1008 fires simultaneously. Started by Shriram Sharma in 1953 and now headed by his son-in-law Pranav Pandya, a medical doctor, the Parivar now runs a research institute and a deemed university in Haridwar, meditation and research centres in Mathura and Noida, and has branches in the US, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand and claims more than 70 million members worldwide, The members are largely professionals like doctors, engineers, lawyers, and corporate CEOs in India and abroad. The crafty genius of the Gayatri Parivar lies in redesigning ancient Vedic mantras and rituals-like the famous asvamedha [horse sacrifice] yagna - for the twenty first century by smuggling in scientific- sounding language. Take, for example, the Parivar's definition of yagna-which it calls ‘yagyopathy’- reproduced here from its website: Yagna, a scientific method aimed at the fines utilization of the subtle properties of sacrificed matter with the help of thermal energy of fire and the sonic vibrations of the mantras...Slow combustion, sublimation and most prominently transformation into vapour phase of the sacriticed herbal and plant medicinal and nutritious substances takes place in the yagya-fire. Inhalation therapy and environmental purification are the paramount applications of yagna apart liom the enormous sublime impact and auspicious spiritual effects called with reverence in the Shastric literature. ln other words, yagnas are really about vaporizing and inhaling the beneficial chemicals from the bumt offerings. (...) The Gayatri Parivar has made this energy-based metaphysic concrete in its very popular, horse-free recreation of the famous horse sacrifice or asvamedha yagna, In its unique and original interpretation of this ancient and rather gory ritual in which a sanctified horse was killed, the Gayatri Parivar has declared that the asva, or horse, in asvamedha actually means 'demon animals of evil tendencies' within your heart and soul which the yagna, accompanied by chants of the Gayatri mantra, is supposed to tame. This novel interpretation is combined with another rather democratic innovation: as many as 1008 yagna fires are bumed simultaneously and hundreds and thousands of people, regardless of caste and class, are invited to pour ghee, herbs, grains, and other sanctified material into the fires while chanting the Gayatri mantra. Considering that the Gayatri mantra was meant to be imparted only to the twice-born boys at the time of the upanayana ([sacred thread]initiation) ceremony using it on a mass scale without consideration of caste and gender is undoubtedly democratic in its spirit. While the yagna is going on, priests are at hand for performing life-cycle rituals like namkaran (naming ceremony) and even marriages. The collective chanting and vaporizing of ghee, herbs, and grains is supposed to release massive amounts of ‘spiritual energy' which gets stored in the 'energy field’ that can be accessed by others later. These mass yagnas are spreading from the north into the rest of the country The temple town of Tirupati hosted an asvamedha, as did the state of West Bengal. The Gayatri Parivar's centrepiece, the asvamedha, is also spreading into other countries with significant NRI communities: the yagna has been performed in Chicago and Los Angeles in the US, and more recently irr New Zealand. Who participates in these mammoth rituals? The Gayatri Parivar attracts the professional middle classes and the well- to-do NRI community along with its central theme of popularizing the Gayatri mantra and yagnas, the Parivar also offers courses in 'moral upliftment and stress management' to government and private sector professionals. The Gayatri Parivar’s clients include well-known public sector enterprises like Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Thermal Power Corporation, Sales Tax departxnent, Labour department, Department of Education, and a number of national banks. The Gayatri Parivar's utterly novel and scientific reinterpretation of the Gayatri mantra and the horse yagna is clearly an invented tradition. It invents a whole new way of explaining the significance of a ritual with an ancient lineage in a language borrowed from modern science. (...) Meera Nanda, The God Market
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:40 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: This is projected demonization at its worst. How dare you summarize the World Teacher Seminar in one sentence! There was the drama, the stage...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
We are not worthy. We bow. Nice write up. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
Curtis, no need to send me anything in the mail, but thanks for the thought anyway. Yeah, the cold water immersion reaction is definitely real and even yesterday, the first time I got dumped I came up gasping; it was all I could do to frustrate the impulse while I was still underwater. And the only thing I had exposed was my face. But after that first time it was fine for the rest of the session. The problem I'm having now is that I'm still 15 pounds lighter than I used to be after a couple of major surgeries this last summer and that was all my natural insulation, so even with a good wetsuit, I start to get cold after an hour or so when the water gets down into the 40s. You'd be surprised how much different just a few degrees can make. Once the water gets to around 52 degrees I generally don't even wear a hood, though I always wear booties and generally gloves, regardless. I'm always impressed with the folk who don't wear either, though I only noticed a few people yesterday without gloves on. Here's a great article from today's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/sports/arctic-adventure-a-1500-mile-trip-by-sea-kayak.html? Now those two (Mr. Boomer and Mr. Turk) are some manly men! And the one guy, Turk, is even older than I am. With some good fortune I hope to keep doing what I'm doing until I'm way up in my 70s, maybe even beyond that. It will be a sad day when the only waves I can surf will be those I mind-surf while watching from shore. Enjoy Barbie as you find her. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Thanks for proving once and for all that I am a complete pussy Marek! Give me the address so that I can send my nutsack to the appropriate facility in one of those plastic mailing bags they use to send in your outdated cell phones. In Kayaking there is a fear of the effect in cold water called the gasp effect of hitting too cold water and having your lungs involuntarily suck in enough water to drown you. I know that they use wetsuits to counter this. Is that something you have heard about and is it a factor for surfers? http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/safety/coldwaterimmersion.shtml I'll check back for your answer later because it has come to my attention that now that I am nuts-free I can pursue my interest in vintage Barbie dolls dressed up as dominatrixes without shame. http://inventorspot.com/articles/barbie_15545 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: ... I am always up for a discussion where I am the guy who tells you what is in my mind and you are the guy who represents your own. Is that really too much to ask in a dialogue here? Seemingly, yes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On 01/17/2012 10:16 AM, Duveyoung wrote: For what it's worth, a good friend of mine told me that Robin, SCREAMING ALOUD AT HER, slapped her in the face in front of the audience -- trying to get the demons out of her. That was all I needed to know about Robin. All his writings are for shit if he isn't willing to own up to the fact that he thought bitch slapping was spiritual therapy. I put Robin and Ravi in the same category. Totally in love with their brains buzzings. I have compassion, cuz we all loves the brains, but my friend never agreed to be slapped and humiliated in order to up-notch her spiritual ken, and I count that as assault and battery. Edg And TM'ers especially are overly impressed with their own intellects. Thing is I seem to recall a passage from MMY's commentary on the Gita about becoming too impressed with the intellect and that it is not the goal of enlightenment. The intellect is very relative and people can go over the edge with it like Willy Coyote. ;-) But FFL isn't the only place where verboseness is worshiped. I also find that on many political forums people feel the need to write an essay rather than a briefer post on a subject.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Need is for National Yagya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Agreed, just as scientists have been able to extend the range of their senses by invention, we need finer instrumentation, and a way to filter out the grosser vibrations to be able to sense these other phenomena. By using conventional crude apparatus, there is little more to discover, imo. 87 ACI
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Need is for National Yagya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote: Agreed, just as scientists have been able to extend the range of their senses by invention, we need finer instrumentation, and a way to filter out the grosser vibrations to be able to sense these other phenomena. By using conventional crude apparatus, there is little more to discover, imo. 87 ACI LOL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip I agree that Judy has set the agenda for this angle and I have to give credit for her forceful personality that so many have taken up this perspective. (And yes I know it is possible that everyone just came to this conclusion independently, but I don't find this as likely.) (Response below, to you and Barry both.) snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. Not true. As Barry knows (Curtis may not), such doubts were raised on alt.m.t as well. Barry's pal do.rflex was particularly assertive in challenging Vaj's TM credentials. Of course he was an acolyte of mine then, but guess who has been equally assertive on this point since do.rflex switched his allegiance to Barry? Gosh, I wonder why it's never occurred to me to question *Barry's* TM credentials, or Curtis's, or those of any of the other militant TM critics. If I'm so influential that the tactic succeeds in leading folks to disbelieve Vaj's valid points just because I questioned those credentials, surely it would work on the rest of the critics. Not to mention that Barry has informed us all that few consider my posts (or those of Ravi or Jim or Robin) interesting enough to even read (except by Curtis in his Mother Teresa mode). Guess Robin and all the other Vaj- detractors must be reading my words filtered through Nabby, huh? This notion that Thoroughly Boring Judy, to whom few pay any attention, controls the minds of a sizable flock of dummies who are incapable of independent thought-- including at least one who thoroughly loathes her (he even began one of his denunciations of Vaj with the words I hate to agree with Judy here)--has long since exceeded its shelf life. snark And BTW, I never said anything about Vaj not having actually known Robin. So that, at least, is original with Robin. /snark snip As I reminded people a few days ago, all of this is not really about RWC answering Vaj's claims; he has no inten- tion of ever doing that. It's all about him trying to get Vaj (or you) to engage in head-to-head battle with him so that he can get his sick ego-rocks off. Nothing has changed since he ran the same routine in Fairfield. Um, Robin didn't start this latest battle; Vaj did. Ditto with Curtis. In fact, I don't believe Robin has started *any* battles here (with the exception of his prologed disagreements with Curtis, which were concluded, if not resolved, some time ago). All the others have begun with gratuitous slams from others. Be interesting to know what Barry thinks could conceivably constitute an answer from Robin to Vaj's claims. Curtis, I believe you're familiar with the proposition that you can't prove a negative, right?
[FairfieldLife] George Harrison the last performance
Forget Turq, Curtis and the Vaj fellow, they've lost it. Listen to George Harrison instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LfH0I879gfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmG0R9S2Qgfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
Here's Marek on December 21, 2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=cnzOmXK21aI Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: We are not worthy. We bow. Nice write up. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Here's Marek on December 21, 2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=cnzOmXK21aI Edg That was fuckin' AWESOME, dude. Nice find. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: We are not worthy. We bow. Nice write up. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monday at Camel Rock
Cool video, Edg. Here's one, a bit more true to reality, done by a stand up paddle board surfer at Camel Rock using a Go Pro on the nose of his board. Gives you a good idea of the place and the vibe, at least when the waves are small during the summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFonaRLDOsfeature=youtube_gdata_player *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Here's Marek on December 21, 2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=cnzOmXK21aI Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: We are not worthy. We bow. Nice write up. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yesterday (1.16.12) air temp was 44 degrees, water temp five degrees warmer than that, but still cold enough that my hands, even in 5-mil thick gloves, were numb in just a few minutes and trading comments with my buddy as we sat on our boards waiting for a set became a hopeless attempt to form coherent sounds through stiff, uncooperative lips. But it was a glorious day, all the same, sunny and bright with (undoubtedly snide) comments from the Aleutian cackling geese watching from the two peaks of Camel Rock occasionally reaching our ears through the steady crash and roar of the waves. We surfed for about an hour-and-a-half on the slack tide, caught many unspectacular but exhilarating waves, before calling it a day. There are about 130-140 stairs dug into the hillside that deliver you from the point overlook to the beach and when we got to the top, as we almost always do, we stopped and turned to look back at the break and marvel at how perfect it all was -- is. We pulled ourselves out of our wetsuits, loaded up our boards, and walked back over one more time to gaze down at the waves and the surfers for another few minutes. I took a quick photo from my phone and will post it in an album after writing this. Nothing more than that; no more meaning than that.
[FairfieldLife] TV Review: Alcatraz
Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. Oh, I need to mention the first villain is Charlie Jade. ;-) I've gotten spoiled watching BBC series like Being Human where they don't insult the audience's intelligence. But Being Human is also an exceptional series, right up their with Dexter but with maybe even better writing and acting. Forget that it is about supernatural characters like vampires, ghosts and werewolves, these are human stories and finale of the third season was exceptional. Not so with the second season of the North American version produced for Syfy. The actors in the BBC version are far better and for some reason they've taken to renaming 3 of the characters such as Sally instead of Annie (the ghost). I need to watch an episode or two of Syfy's season one because the first episode of season two seems dumbed down a bit for Syfy 18 to 35 audience. It's also sillier lacking some of the subtler British humor. I watched the first season of the BBC version last year after Syfy's first season. Seemed to me the Syfy season one changed little of the dialog or scripts they used from the BBC version. Looks like Syfy execs have put their mediocre ideas into their second season. Too bad and I also can't stand the 1930's RCA audio equalization that NBC owned companies use. It's way out of date and sound terrible on a state of the art surround system with it's booming bass range (those interested can see that EQ curve with the free Audacity software).
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Harrison the last performance
Excellent find! He was my favorite Beatle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Forget Turq, Curtis and the Vaj fellow, they've lost it. Listen to George Harrison instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LfH0I879gfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmG0R9S2Qgfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do.
[FairfieldLife] MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
I have never read before MMY talking about direct Celestial communication. Good stuff! Thanks for finding this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Wow
Just a newbie here at FFL. Glancing through all of the posts they range from the mundane (movie reviews) to scratch-out-your-eyes cat fights. Something's got some of you going but I'm not sure anyone is convincing anyone else that they are right. Good luck to you all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
On 01/17/2012 01:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do. You might find the 2nd episode of the 2nd season of Portlandia hilarious. It has to do with Battlestar Gallactica and I think I posted the first segment link here a week or so ago. It's where a couple decide to watch the first episode of BSG before they go to a party and wind up watching the whole series finishing a week or so later. But wait there's more! Two more segments in fact with the third being the most hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
How about something more than just another one of your unsubstantiated claims? Where did you learn TM/TMSP? What were the dates and places of initiation? Who were your TM/TMSP course teachers? You should take these questions seriously. You are perilously close to being branded on FFL as a bold-face liar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:04 PM, futur.musik wrote: So that leaves you solely the option of talking as a false authority about TM and Maharishi. Yeah, I see your point. No, as someone who practiced TM/TMSP and as someone familiar with the foibles of Mahesh Yogi, I can comment as I please, albeit as someone with broader experience in tantric Hinduism and Buddhist tantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Speaks with Mother Divine (not the THMD Course)
I believe in the phenomenon just not the interpretation of what it means. It is well known capacity of our brains. In some conditions our ability to distinguish inner and outer mental experience gets confused. That is my take on the sincere ones. I have no reason to believe that Roberts was less sincere in having a dramatic experience than Maharishi. It is just funny how convenient they both came out to be for their own desires. I am not really sure that Maharishi is not just reporting a dramatic conversation he had with himself in the context of a temple using Mother Divine as an artistic literary device. That would be my best guess. He was reporting his thoughts in a more dramatic way taking some poetic license to punch the story up a bit. He did a similar thing I believe when he claimed that Vasishtha came onto him last night! It lead to a perspective about the Vedas. I have my doubts that he saw himself in as mystical a light as he projected to us. Judith's book makes me believe he was more of a poetic devise guy than a I just talked to Mother Divine for real real guy. YMMV But my guess is that there are way more people who actually experience something dramatic than people who are outright lying through their teeth. I've had ones like it so I understand how compelling they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: Since most people don't have this experience there are folks who fake this to take advantage of others. Too bad - leads to rampant cynicism. However there are indications wrt the experience that can speak to its validity, or not. Maharishi's account reads as genuine. Can you guess why? No, *not* because it is Maharishi... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Where have I heard this type of claim before...oh yeah: n 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success. So convenient how God supports a person's organizational ambitions like that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Here is a transcript of a tape recording of Maharishi speaking about a conversation with Mother Divine on dealing withe negativity in the world in each Heart. Maharishi Speaks with Mother Divine No. 59, 'Living the Good Life' http://www.maharishiphotos.com/divine.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
Portlandia is my new favorite show and Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein are my new favorite sketch comics. (Louis CK is still tops in stand up) Did you know they were musicians first? They did a great piece on them on CBS Sunday Morning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 01/17/2012 01:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do. You might find the 2nd episode of the 2nd season of Portlandia hilarious. It has to do with Battlestar Gallactica and I think I posted the first segment link here a week or so ago. It's where a couple decide to watch the first episode of BSG before they go to a party and wind up watching the whole series finishing a week or so later. But wait there's more! Two more segments in fact with the third being the most hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Falling Bloom
Falling Bloom, by Andrius http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/details/characters/fallingbloomddk012012.html
[FairfieldLife] Open Green
by Andrius Balciunas, Lithuania http://cdn.whatanart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/open-green-3d-female-character.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Hope in Prison of Despair
by Evelyn De Morgan http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/2/12167.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Peaceful Reflection
Antaratma's Elena Ray: http://antaratma.photoshelter.com/portfolio
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: How about something more than just another one of your unsubstantiated claims? Where did you learn TM/TMSP? What were the dates and places of initiation? Who were your TM/TMSP course teachers? You should take these questions seriously. You are perilously close to being branded on FFL as a bold-face liar. Yee-ha! As a sometimes-mostly-lurker here, I want to thank you for bringing out the BIG GUNS! You've just upped the entertainment value significantly for me. :-) By way of (re-?)introduction, I'd like to play along ... Where did you learn TM/TMSP? Reading, PA / the Academy in the Catskills. What were the dates and places of initiation? Wow. Who'd even wanna bother remembering those tedious details?! But I'll give it my best shot: Reading, PA, October, 1970. Bonus points: Initiator was David Katz, late of cheesecake-production fame. More bonus points: I once attended a Charlie Lutes lecture. 1st advanced technique: Philadelphia, PA, ca. 1972. Bonus points: Initiator was that nasty lady who was, I think, the only one who was handing out techniques at that time. Who were your TM/TMSP course teachers? Eesh. Apparently GMO-brain has settled in. Lemme probe ... SCI Course: Orono, ME, ca. 1971. Teachers? No idea. T.T. part one: Catskills Academy, ca. 1974. Teachers were some nice guy whose name I totally forget and some nice gal named Jean(ne). And I'm pretty sure that Rick was some sort of assistant teacher at that one. [Hiya Rick! :-) :-) :-) I'm the guy whom that nice guy whose name I totally forget described as one who speaks in aphorisms. I'm sure you recall. Heh.] T.T. part two: Biarritz, France, ca. 1976. No recollection of teachers' names, though I could still recite the mantras list for ya if ya like. Sidhis/Governors course: Catskills Academy, ca. 1978. Don't recall any teachers' names. Never hopped, either. Poo. (I could also provide a scan of my now-useless Governor of the Age of Enlightenment card if I were actually interested in proving anything to anyone.) Now to my questions ... You should take these questions seriously. You are perilously close to being branded on FFL as a bold-face liar. This has me intrigued. I'm not familiar with the branding process on this forum. Is it done by popular vote, or simply by unilateral decree? If the former, how much participation here would qualify one to vote? Thanks in advance, and, as always, JGD! p.s. People, please trim your posts. Seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Russian Woman Reclining
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
No, I didn't know that but Portland is a very weird place. On 01/17/2012 07:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Portlandia is my new favorite show and Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein are my new favorite sketch comics. (Louis CK is still tops in stand up) Did you know they were musicians first? They did a great piece on them on CBS Sunday Morning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 01/17/2012 01:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do. You might find the 2nd episode of the 2nd season of Portlandia hilarious. It has to do with Battlestar Gallactica and I think I posted the first segment link here a week or so ago. It's where a couple decide to watch the first episode of BSG before they go to a party and wind up watching the whole series finishing a week or so later. But wait there's more! Two more segments in fact with the third being the most hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Sergei Prokudin-Gorskii
Pioneer in color photography, self-portrait, 1912 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/31497.jpg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
Friends I want to share with you all one of the greatest sermons ever given that was written by a Transcendentalist. You know in working with livestock, inflection is often nine tenths of the communication. It is not at all so much what is said, but how it is said. I see that much of the problem with discussions here on this list is that people can't hear how things are being said as to what is being said. Likewise, in this whole discussion around the FFL resolution on sin, it seems something is being lost in the print that keeps people from converting. Take a listen to this. It sounds remarkable like to how I sound when I write. I hope this is helpful to some of you who have trouble with what I write here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog0W6Jwj0Q Kindly from the Unified Field ever vigilante, -Buck The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. Yes; !Amarkoners repent! Yes, it is in the Greek I pray for these really big Amarkoners here to return home. These TM expatriates. The ex-patriots indeed. Here we have one of the biggest natural law peace-creating things going on and these guys spurn it always puking on it here. That is spiritual sin in the Greek way as also per the FFL Resolution on Sin too. Is perfectly fair to judge who is with us in this natural law too as transcendentalists and who is against it, and us. It is calling sin for what it is, a sin a sin. Thank you for your very learned comments. An old and Kindly meditator, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This is kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at the process of transcendental meditation, what you experience is you are handing off the process and letting nature take it over. That is it. If we are able to culture our system to do that under all circumstances, we are home free. It is the personal sense of will that interferes with this process in daily life. 'Transcendental meditation' as a principle can be practiced many ways; Maharishi seems to have discovered a compact technique that encapsulates this principle; it is quite a stroke of genius. There are those that have come by the principle in other ways that have been successful; whatever works to imbue this principle in our lives is more powerful than simply following a rigid formula in regard to what truth might be. You seem to be starting to sound like the vengeful force that permeates the Torah and other books that Christians call the Old Testament. Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on the State of Virginia, 1787)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
Was Reborn by David Sandlin http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2008/sandlin/sandlin.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Friends I want to share with you all one of the greatest sermons ever given that was written by a Transcendentalist. You know in working with livestock, inflection is often nine tenths of the communication. It is not at all so much what is said, but how it is said. I see that much of the problem with discussions here on this list is that people can't hear how things are being said as to what is being said. Likewise, in this whole discussion around the FFL resolution on sin, it seems something is being lost in the print that keeps people from converting. Take a listen to this. It sounds remarkable like to how I sound when I write. I hope this is helpful to some of you who have trouble with what I write here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog0W6Jwj0Q Kindly from the Unified Field ever vigilante, -Buck The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. Yes; !Amarkoners repent! Yes, it is in the Greek I pray for these really big Amarkoners here to return home. These TM expatriates. The ex-patriots indeed. Here we have one of the biggest natural law peace-creating things going on and these guys spurn it always puking on it here. That is spiritual sin in the Greek way as also per the FFL Resolution on Sin too. Is perfectly fair to judge who is with us in this natural law too as transcendentalists and who is against it, and us. It is calling sin for what it is, a sin a sin. Thank you for your very learned comments. An old and Kindly meditator, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This is kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at the process of transcendental meditation, what you experience is you are handing off the process and letting nature take it over. That is it. If we are able to culture our system to do that under all circumstances, we are home free. It is the personal sense of will that interferes with this process in daily life. 'Transcendental meditation' as a principle can be practiced many ways; Maharishi seems to have discovered a compact technique that encapsulates this principle; it is quite a stroke of genius. There are those that have come by the principle in other ways that have been successful; whatever works to imbue this principle in our lives is more powerful than simply following a rigid formula in regard to what truth might be. You seem to be starting to sound like the vengeful force that permeates the Torah and other books that Christians call the Old Testament. Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
I watched a couple of clips on utube. This one is great and so true and a bit musical. I do the waterfront walk featured here every time I go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE_9CzLCbkY Portland is my favorite nearest city and it is a *great* place. I wish I had left Seattle and bought a house there years ago. I really am going to have to buy a TV as soon as it stops snowing here - I am missing so much of this amusing stuff. Up to 6 new inches (about 3 have fallen so far) are predicted (well, up to 14 in places, those places where nobody commutes) and school has been cancelled for two days now and the headline on the front of the paper this morning was Megastorm looms for area. Ha ha. We are such wimps. Time to go skiing. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz No, I didn't know that but Portland is a very weird place. On 01/17/2012 07:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Portlandia is my new favorite show and Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein are my new favorite sketch comics. (Louis CK is still tops in stand up) Did you know they were musicians first? They did a great piece on them on CBS Sunday Morning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 01/17/2012 01:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do. You might find the 2nd episode of the 2nd season of Portlandia hilarious. It has to do with Battlestar Gallactica and I think I posted the first segment link here a week or so ago. It's where a couple decide to watch the first episode of BSG before they go to a party and wind up watching the whole series finishing a week or so later. But wait there's more! Two more segments in fact with the third being the most hilarious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
I leave eternity to thee... I think a few sacred harp singers are needed...Idumea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU_QFvkPJvwfeature=related IDUMEA And am I born to die? To lay this body down! And must my trembling spirit fly Into a world unknown? A land of deepest shade, Unpierced by human thought The dreary regions of the dead, Where all things are forgot. Soon as from earth I go What will become of me? Eternal happiness or woe, Must then my portion be! Waked by the trumpet sound, I from my grave shall rise; And see the Judge with glory crowned, And see the flaming skies! From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment: Friends I want to share with you all one of the greatest sermons ever given that was written by a Transcendentalist. You know in working with livestock, inflection is often nine tenths of the communication. It is not at all so much what is said, but how it is said. I see that much of the problem with discussions here on this list is that people can't hear how things are being said as to what is being said. Likewise, in this whole discussion around the FFL resolution on sin, it seems something is being lost in the print that keeps people from converting. Take a listen to this. It sounds remarkable like to how I sound when I write. I hope this is helpful to some of you who have trouble with what I write here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog0W6Jwj0Q Kindly from the Unified Field ever vigilante, -Buck The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. Yes; !Amarkoners repent! Yes, it is in the Greek I pray for these really big Amarkoners here to return home. These TM expatriates. The ex-patriots indeed. Here we have one of the biggest natural law peace-creating things going on and these guys spurn it always puking on it here. That is spiritual sin in the Greek way as also per the FFL Resolution on Sin too. Is perfectly fair to judge who is with us in this natural law too as transcendentalists and who is against it, and us. It is calling sin for what it is, a sin a sin. Thank you for your very learned comments. An old and Kindly meditator, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This is kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at the process of transcendental meditation, what you experience is you are handing off the process and letting nature take it over. That is it. If we are able to culture our system to do that under all circumstances, we are home free. It is the personal sense of will that interferes with this process in daily life. 'Transcendental meditation' as a principle can be practiced many ways; Maharishi seems to have discovered a compact technique that encapsulates this principle; it is quite a stroke of genius. There are those that have come by the principle in other ways that have been successful; whatever works to imbue this principle in our lives is more powerful than simply following a rigid formula in regard to what
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz
Can TV really be this funny? This is really going to sound strange, but it's been a long time since I've watched anything along these lines, and I really enjoyed this intro, and I also watched some of the clips on youtube which I enjoyed very much. What is strange is that probably the last TV series I got excited about was Maxheadroom. I think I only watched a couple episodes, but this Portlandia really clicked with me. Plus, I have a sister who lives there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I watched a couple of clips on utube.  This one is great and so true and a bit musical.  I do the waterfront walk featured here every time I go.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE_9CzLCbkY Portland is my favorite nearest city and it is a *great* place.  I wish I had left Seattle and bought a house there years ago.  I really am going to have to buy a TV as soon as it stops snowing here - I am missing so much of this amusing stuff.  Up to 6 new inches (about 3 have fallen so far) are predicted (well, up to 14 in places, those places where nobody commutes) and school has been cancelled for two days now and the headline on the front of the paper this morning was Megastorm looms for area.  Ha ha.  We are such wimps.  Time to go skiing.  From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV Review: Alcatraz  No, I didn't know that but Portland is a very weird place. On 01/17/2012 07:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Portlandia is my new favorite show and Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein are my new favorite sketch comics. (Louis CK is still tops in stand up) Did you know they were musicians first? They did a great piece on them on CBS Sunday Morning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 01/17/2012 01:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Nice shots of the San Francisco with scenes shot in Vancouver, BC standing in for SF. Hint: SF does not have a range of mountains. There is one small peak to the north (Mt. Tam) and the Oakland Hills to the east (hardly mountains). Of course scenes the foliage was totally wrong for the Bay Area. But don't waste your time as this is another formulaic TV cop and sidekick series using the villain of the week gimmick. Sadly, that sentence pretty much nails it. It confirms that broadcast TV is indeed being used like a drug for the great unwashed. I guess after Lost we expect more from J.J. Abrams but I fear it's all about the money these days and a paycheck for the creators. Not even Jorge Garcia (Hurley on Lost) can save this one. He's the only reason I watched the two opening episodes. As you say, he's probably not gonna save this one. As for Being Human ( the series, not the condition :-) I haven't gotten to that one yet, so I reserve judgment until I do. You might find the 2nd episode of the 2nd season of Portlandia hilarious. It has to do with Battlestar Gallactica and I think I posted the first segment link here a week or so ago. It's where a couple decide to watch the first episode of BSG before they go to a party and wind up watching the whole series finishing a week or so later. But wait there's more! Two more segments in fact with the third being the most hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
But if we conviced each other we were right, we wouldn't have anything to argue about! ;-) If you have something more edifying you'd like to bring up for discussion, please feel free. Or tell us a bit about yourself. Or just hang around for awhile--we go through phases, some of which you may find of greater interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Just a newbie here at FFL. Glancing through all of the posts they range from the mundane (movie reviews) to scratch-out-your-eyes cat fights. Something's got some of you going but I'm not sure anyone is convincing anyone else that they are right. Good luck to you all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow
Never heard a clearer description of FFL. Welcome to the Jungle! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Just a newbie here at FFL. Glancing through all of the posts they range from the mundane (movie reviews) to scratch-out-your-eyes cat fights. Something's got some of you going but I'm not sure anyone is convincing anyone else that they are right. Good luck to you all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:
Wow, that was neat. Great pictures. It brought me back to a reverence for Native Americans. I admit that over the last few years, my perception has focussed on some of the brutality they displayed in fighting their enemies, and less about their relationship with the earth. This helped move me back in that direction. We've been meaning to do some some DNA testing. We think there is some Indian on my wife's side. A mysterious women in the geneology, but sanitized because it wasn't considered proper. But my son had mongolian patches on his behind as a child, and those are particular to native american as well as some other racial groups. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I leave eternity to thee...  I think a few sacred harp singers are needed...Idumea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU_QFvkPJvwfeature=related IDUMEA And am I born to die? To lay this body down! And must my trembling spirit fly Into a world unknown? A land of deepest shade, Unpierced by human thought The dreary regions of the dead, Where all things are forgot. Soon as from earth I go What will become of me? Eternal happiness or woe, Must then my portion be! Waked by the trumpet sound, I from my grave shall rise; And see the Judge with glory crowned, And see the flaming skies! From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Judgment:  Friends I want to share with you all one of the greatest sermons ever given that was written by a Transcendentalist. You know in working with livestock, inflection is often nine tenths of the communication. It is not at all so much what is said, but how it is said. I see that much of the problem with discussions here on this list is that people can't hear how things are being said as to what is being said. Likewise, in this whole discussion around the FFL resolution on sin, it seems something is being lost in the print that keeps people from converting. Take a listen to this. It sounds remarkable like to how I sound when I write. I hope this is helpful to some of you who have trouble with what I write here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog0W6Jwj0Q Kindly from the Unified Field ever vigilante, -Buck The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. Yes; !Amarkoners repent! Yes, it is in the Greek I pray for these really big Amarkoners here to return home. These TM expatriates. The ex-patriots indeed. Here we have one of the biggest natural law peace-creating things going on and these guys spurn it always puking on it here. That is spiritual sin in the Greek way as also per the FFL Resolution on Sin too. Is perfectly fair to judge who is with us in this natural law too as transcendentalists and who is against it, and us. It is calling sin for what it is, a sin a sin. Thank you for your very learned comments. An old and Kindly meditator, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Teaching the Knowledge * As a teacher, there is a different, more difficult lesson that must be accepted personally: if someone chosen by the Unified Field to be a prophet or a leader refuses to teach the truth, as Jonah did for example, then Nature will visit a terrible punishment on them. * However, the reverse is even more true�Nature will grant favor and delight to those who do preach the truth. Om, Om, Om, come back, come back to meditation you sinners. The bell tolls for thee, In warm regard of natural law, -Buck in FF This is kind of heavy handed Buck. Fortunately I am not immune to being heavy handed in thought, and as Barry would possibly say, overbearing and pompous. If the unified field is truth, one cannot actually speak it, one can only point to it because it is transcendent to speech. All speech in the world in reference to it is as a lie. Nature is not personal, it visits on one without regard to person. Favour and delight are the experience of those who experience the unified field, but nature remains the same impersonal force of will that is the unified field, enlightened or unenlightened. It is not will as a person imagines will to be; it is far more mysterious and inscrutable. The Greek word for sin in the Bible is 'amarkon' which means to miss the mark. In the West the Christian idea of sin seems to be the predominant meaning, and it has many connotations that seem to go quite beyond simply missing the mark. But usage that is common here has many judgmental implications that really serve no useful purpose if your aim is to point people in the direction of enlightenment. If you 'look' at
