[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Doug/Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I don't think you can do it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Galaxies Travel Faster than Light?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Mike, There's a lot of implications with the galaxies exceeding the speed of light. One of them is the question of time dilation. That means that time will be going backwards for those galaxies that are traveling beyond the speed of light. I believe this anomaly is the reason why Leonard Susskind, a physicist from Stanford University, theorized that the galaxies will freeze in time as they reach the speed of light. Needless to say, those galaxies will blink out from our point of view as they reach the speed of light. JR Sigh. Galaxies aren't going to be breaking the light barrier. To someone at the edge of our universe we are at the edge of their universe and therefore travelling at the speed of light but only because the universe is expanding. We appear to be standing still and time will continue to move in the usual fashion, same as it does everywhere. It's all relative. But hopefully youtube will start going backwards and disappear before it does any more damage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
God - Barry, I'm so sorry, so ashamed of my behavior. Please don't leave us - we need you, we need your love, we need your compassion. Oh what the fuck did I do? I got carried away by my hatred - got manipulated by the Hate Brigade. You know my innocence - don't you? Please forgive me. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:07 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Doug/Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I don't think you can do it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Galaxies Travel Faster than Light?
--- John jr_esq@ wrote: Mike, There's a lot of implications with the galaxies exceeding the speed of light. One of them is the question of time dilation. That means that time will be going backwards for those galaxies that are traveling beyond the speed of light. I believe this anomaly is the reason why Leonard Susskind, a physicist from Stanford University, theorized that the galaxies will freeze in time as they reach the speed of light. Needless to say, those galaxies will blink out from our point of view as they reach the speed of light. JR --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Sigh. Galaxies aren't going to be breaking the light barrier. To someone at the edge of our universe we are at the edge of their universe and therefore travelling at the speed of light but only because the universe is expanding. We appear to be standing still and time will continue to move in the usual fashion, same as it does everywhere. It's all relative. But hopefully youtube will start going backwards and disappear before it does any more damage. In other words, space itself is expanding or receding. It's not the individual movement of galaxies that is at warp speed.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A BILLION DOLLAR BLOCKBUSTER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: A BILLION DOLLAR BLOCKBUSTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRwjHpyk9A Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRwjHpyk9A
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Buddha At the Gas Pump yahoo group, not the interviews which I understand can have heated discussions, might be more to your liking, Buck. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 05/04/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 05/11/13 00:00:00 343 messages as of (UTC) 05/08/13 00:13:53 43 authfriend 29 Buck 28 Share Long 26 Ravi Chivukula 24 Ann 21 turquoiseb 20 seventhray27 17 merudanda 17 curtisdeltablues 15 Richard J. Williams 15 Michael Jackson 14 salyavin808 14 Bhairitu 11 card 9 John 7 merlin 6 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 5 srijau 4 emptybill 4 Mike Dixon 2 feste37 2 at_man_and_brahman 2 Susan 2 Jason 1 sparaig 1 raunchydog 1 martin.quickman 1 Yifu 1 Dick Mays 1 Alex Stanley Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
Well, salyavin, I was all set to say okey dokey to the 40% but now you've gone and said that galaxies are NOT traveling faster than light and worse, you've put a kabash on youtube! How about 35%? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: salyavin wrote:Â The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though Share replies:Â hmmm, might be a business opportunity in that gold felt possibility (-: Get cracking with it Share, I'll only take 40% for the idea. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Rain rot. There's something rotting in a Golden Dome. Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem. For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows. It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it. In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking. Look to the barns of the countryside. Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof. The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down. It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot. Look at the geometry and those wood beams. They got an elaborate system to catch the drips. When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops. Been going on a long time. There's a problem there.May Unified Field Save the Domes The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though ,-Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield:TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATEDSURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTERIOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BELESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT WILL TOTAL1 TO 2 INCHES. THIS MAY CAUSE RISES ON SOME RIVERS LEADING TO RENEWEDMINOR TO POSSIBLY MODERATE FLOODING.Tonight: Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Temperature rising to around 48 by 5am. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms. Rain before noon, then showers likely after noon. High near 59. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible. Saturday Night, Scattered rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Dearest FFL, FFL Owner, Moderators; It's true these immigrants to FFL, the recent arrivals, they just don't understand the culture. Most don't live here and some don't even meditate, they just want the benefits of posting inside the established spiritual community of FFL as a place. It's time for immigration reform here to try to save what is left as precious here from the mob. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I don't think you can do it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Galaxies Travel Faster than Light?
Thanks, Jason, this is a very useful clarification for me. And it is very zen koan like to think of space expanding faster than light. From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Galaxies Travel Faster than Light? --- John jr_esq@ wrote: Mike, There's a lot of implications with the galaxies exceeding the speed of light. One of them is the question of time dilation. That means that time will be going backwards for those galaxies that are traveling beyond the speed of light. I believe this anomaly is the reason why Leonard Susskind, a physicist from Stanford University, theorized that the galaxies will freeze in time as they reach the speed of light. Needless to say, those galaxies will blink out from our point of view as they reach the speed of light. JR --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Sigh. Galaxies aren't going to be breaking the light barrier. To someone at the edge of our universe we are at the edge of their universe and therefore travelling at the speed of light but only because the universe is expanding. We appear to be standing still and time will continue to move in the usual fashion, same as it does everywhere. It's all relative. But hopefully youtube will start going backwards and disappear before it does any more damage. In other words, space itself is expanding or receding. It's not the individual movement of galaxies that is at warp speed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
It's time we seize this place back from the de-railers and re-rail FFL again. I feel we should convene a counsel of FFL elders to sit with the list owner and guide the FFL moderators to decide what to do with this problem and try to save this place for everyone. Let's us defer to the first, an original 10 individuals who came to FFL with a heart, mind and hope to create something good, a new Zion on the internet. Obviously the mob here now can not control itself here. Let us have the FFL elders to look out for the welfare of this forum. Ours is a need for something like a continental Congress to look out for us all. Click on 'messages' and then click on 'oldest'. Let us look back to look forward for a better FFL. Look at the first, the earliest posting and let us gather the wisdom of that group of elder FFL writers from that golden era of the then new FFL to better serve our future now. It is time to meditate on this and act. It is time to mediate as elders. May the Unified Field Save our FFL, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dearest FFL, FFL Owner, Moderators; It's true these immigrants to FFL, the recent arrivals, they just don't understand the culture. Most don't live here and some don't even meditate, they just want the benefits of posting inside the established spiritual community of FFL as a place. It's time for immigration reform here to try to save what is left as precious here from the mob. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I don't think you can do it.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
No, Ann, you are way off base here. Unfortunately this is part of your inability to make distinctions about between what is innuendo and something that can be substantiated. I would not take exception to someone accusing me of psychological rape. Just make a case for it, and stay away from innuendo. And stay away from something that is strictly a matter of opinion. You are the one who brought up pedophilia and extra marital affairs. Neither of those had any bearing on the discussion. It was strictly troll behavior on your part, and quite out of bounds. I can take this as far as you want to go Ann. Since you are willing to bring up pedophilia and extra marital affairs in a context where it has no bearing, do you wish to discuss those subjects in the context of studio photographers where abuses have occurred? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Read what I wrote again, you seem to have missed my point. The imaginary scenarios I brought up as examples of things someone could accuse others of are just that - ugly examples. And see, you didn't like it. So don't do this to others, especially about things that happened long ago. I can see you would have taken great exception to someone accusing you here of PR. That is obvious from how you reacted to the examples of shit people can say about others that I used here. You don't like it, don't do it to others whether you think stuff from the past is true or not. Unless you know for sure and it is relevant to the subject at hand STFU. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: And for one moment put yourself in Ravi's position when you make your accusations and dredge up irrelevant and old history that may or may not be accurate. Would you like someone to claim you were an abusive husband who was a terrible father and started talking about restraining orders or extra marital affairs, pedophaelia and God knows what else that had lurked in your past? Talk about what is relevant in the here and now. To reach back into past personal history about someone else's marriage and subsequent break up of that marriage is none of your business. And it certainly has nothing to do with the subject of Share. Use your discrimination and back away. Ann, you simply have an issue with accountability. If you've written something here, it is a matter of the public record. I can back up everything I have said. I have not made up any statement. What a shame you can't grasp that concept. It is also not my fault is certain posts have been expunged, for whatever reason. By the things you have written above, I assume to elicit some reaction, I am afraid you have revealed yourself as a troll. Please back up the innuendo you mention above. And please advise, where did I say anything about pedophilia, or extra marital affairs in regards to Ravi. What is your point in bringing these things up if they were not a part of the discussion? I suppose to create some kind of false impression. So please clarify Ann. I want to know why you mention pedophilia or extra marital affairs in association with me. You have brought it up Please clarify. Or if there is no grounds for this innuendo, then please retract it. Oh, and by the way, please clarify as well, this part about Ravi being a terrible father. Where did you get this Ann? Methinks not from anything I said. Just another skewed observation on your part. And finally Ann, I will use my discrimination and engage in a discussion as I see fit. Your original impulse to not get involved in this discussion was the correct one. Further complicated by the fact that you did not bow out when you indicated you were going to bow out. You will not see me defend my integrity any less that Ravi defended his, and for which I respect him. I cannot speak for him, but for me that fact that I was attacking what I felt was hypocrisy in his postings and not him personally was what allowed us to come to some resolution. This post from you has no element of integrity behind it, (if I may be so Robinesque)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Buck there are times, and this is one of them, when I can't tell if you're doing your very own special brand of irony and humor. Anyway, it sounds like you don't want to give BATGAP forum a try, you want to stay with FFL so maybe you could simply ignore the posts that you think will be offensive. Participate in the other threads. There's always something interesting and non conflictual happening here in my experience as a relative newbie. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 6:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC It's time we seize this place back from the de-railers and re-rail FFL again. I feel we should convene a counsel of FFL elders to sit with the list owner and guide the FFL moderators to decide what to do with this problem and try to save this place for everyone. Let's us defer to the first, an original 10 individuals who came to FFL with a heart, mind and hope to create something good, a new Zion on the internet. Obviously the mob here now can not control itself here. Let us have the FFL elders to look out for the welfare of this forum. Ours is a need for something like a continental Congress to look out for us all. Click on 'messages' and then click on 'oldest'. Let us look back to look forward for a better FFL. Look at the first, the earliest posting and let us gather the wisdom of that group of elder FFL writers from that golden era of the then new FFL to better serve our future now. It is time to meditate on this and act. It is time to mediate as elders. May the Unified Field Save our FFL, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dearest FFL, FFL Owner, Moderators; It's true these immigrants to FFL, the recent arrivals, they just don't understand the culture. Most don't live here and some don't even meditate, they just want the benefits of posting inside the established spiritual community of FFL as a place. It's time for immigration reform here to try to save what is left as precious here from the mob. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I
[FairfieldLife] For those who think they're seeing reality on the TV news
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[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: No, Ann, you are way off base here. Unfortunately this is part of your inability to make distinctions about between what is innuendo and something that can be substantiated. I would not take exception to someone accusing me of psychological rape. Just make a case for it, and stay away from innuendo. And stay away from something that is strictly a matter of opinion. You are the one who brought up pedophilia and extra marital affairs. Neither of those had any bearing on the discussion. It was strictly troll behavior on your part, and quite out of bounds. I can take this as far as you want to go Ann. Since you are willing to bring up pedophilia and extra marital affairs in a context where it has no bearing, do you wish to discuss those subjects in the context of studio photographers where abuses have occurred? You still don't get it. How about, Treat others like you would like them to treat you. Get it now? It is difficult having a discussion with someone who has limited reading comprehension and an inability to put themselves in someone else's shoes. You appear to be one of those people. And all this time I thought you were a fairly nice guy. But these two characteristics create something else entirely. Moving on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Read what I wrote again, you seem to have missed my point. The imaginary scenarios I brought up as examples of things someone could accuse others of are just that - ugly examples. And see, you didn't like it. So don't do this to others, especially about things that happened long ago. I can see you would have taken great exception to someone accusing you here of PR. That is obvious from how you reacted to the examples of shit people can say about others that I used here. You don't like it, don't do it to others whether you think stuff from the past is true or not. Unless you know for sure and it is relevant to the subject at hand STFU. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: And for one moment put yourself in Ravi's position when you make your accusations and dredge up irrelevant and old history that may or may not be accurate. Would you like someone to claim you were an abusive husband who was a terrible father and started talking about restraining orders or extra marital affairs, pedophaelia and God knows what else that had lurked in your past? Talk about what is relevant in the here and now. To reach back into past personal history about someone else's marriage and subsequent break up of that marriage is none of your business. And it certainly has nothing to do with the subject of Share. Use your discrimination and back away. Ann, you simply have an issue with accountability. If you've written something here, it is a matter of the public record. I can back up everything I have said. I have not made up any statement. What a shame you can't grasp that concept. It is also not my fault is certain posts have been expunged, for whatever reason. By the things you have written above, I assume to elicit some reaction, I am afraid you have revealed yourself as a troll. Please back up the innuendo you mention above. And please advise, where did I say anything about pedophilia, or extra marital affairs in regards to Ravi. What is your point in bringing these things up if they were not a part of the discussion? I suppose to create some kind of false impression. So please clarify Ann. I want to know why you mention pedophilia or extra marital affairs in association with me. You have brought it up Please clarify. Or if there is no grounds for this innuendo, then please retract it. Oh, and by the way, please clarify as well, this part about Ravi being a terrible father. Where did you get this Ann? Methinks not from anything I said. Just another skewed observation on your part. And finally Ann, I will use my discrimination and engage in a discussion as I see fit. Your original impulse to not get involved in this discussion was the correct one. Further complicated by the fact that you did not bow out when you indicated you were going to bow out. You will not see me defend my integrity any less that Ravi defended his, and for which I respect him. I cannot speak for him, but for me that fact that I was attacking what I felt was hypocrisy in his postings and not him personally was what allowed us to come to some resolution. This post from you has no element of integrity behind it, (if I may be so Robinesque)
[FairfieldLife] Latest David Bowie video
I've never been either a churchgoer or a Bowie fan, but if his idea of what a modern church is like is accurate, I might become the former. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/the-next-day-video-david-bowie-marion-cotillard_n_3234527.html Starring Gary Oldman and Marion Cotillard, and funny as ...uh...hell if you don't have a stick up your butt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
who were the 1st 10 on FFL? From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC It's time we seize this place back from the de-railers and re-rail FFL again. I feel we should convene a counsel of FFL elders to sit with the list owner and guide the FFL moderators to decide what to do with this problem and try to save this place for everyone. Let's us defer to the first, an original 10 individuals who came to FFL with a heart, mind and hope to create something good, a new Zion on the internet. Obviously the mob here now can not control itself here. Let us have the FFL elders to look out for the welfare of this forum. Ours is a need for something like a continental Congress to look out for us all. Click on 'messages' and then click on 'oldest'. Let us look back to look forward for a better FFL. Look at the first, the earliest posting and let us gather the wisdom of that group of elder FFL writers from that golden era of the then new FFL to better serve our future now. It is time to meditate on this and act. It is time to mediate as elders. May the Unified Field Save our FFL, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dearest FFL, FFL Owner, Moderators; It's true these immigrants to FFL, the recent arrivals, they just don't understand the culture. Most don't live here and some don't even meditate, they just want the benefits of posting inside the established spiritual community of FFL as a place. It's time for immigration reform here to try to save what is left as precious here from the mob. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Old FFL; A 50 ad hominem post limit a week for shelling this place is just too high a limit and killing this place. As usual, Buck is living in the past. This place died some time ago. At present it is populated only by zombies hurling invective and people like Buck hurling dogma. A 30 posts a week limit is plenty enough to say something relevant and could save this place. NOTHING could save this place. Clearly, people *enjoy* all of this insult-hurling and invective, otherwise they would not put up with it and FEED the perpetrators by participating. Reducing the *amount* of BS by limiting the number of posts only would reduce the level of effluvia that one has to wade through -- from about a foot deep to six inches deep. The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and Doctordumbass. The spew hatred and insults on this forum because, on the whole, THEY GOT NOTHING ELSE. Except for DrD, who occasionally posts one of his lame-ass songs or spouts off about some quasi-spiritual topic as if he were actually knowledgeable about it, none of them seem to have anything to contribute EXCEPT hatred. ALL of the vendettas we see acted out on this forum seem to come from them. Are there better more civil forums or blog discussions of spirituality generally and TM using a more moderated, respectful and civil decorum? There may be, but no amount of moderation will save (or, in actuality, resurrect) FFL. The problem here is that almost everyone seems to be bored -- with their lives, with their spiritual sadhana, with their experiences or the lack thereof. Therefore they settle for soap opera and invective and hatred *as a form of entertainment*. This one is looking like a war-torn Islamic country. Nonsense. I've lived in war-torn Islamic countries. They are civilized by comparison. I helped settle this place originally but looking now to join the refugees... Jeesuus, You've ALREADY joined the refugees if you can't think of anything new and interesting to post. Continuing to post anyway when you've got nothing new to say is being a zombie. And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) I challenge Buck or anyone else who complains about the constant strife on this forum to POST SOMETHING ELSE. Something more interesting, something new. I don't think you can do it.
[FairfieldLife] Time to Enlightenment
Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I have never heard that 3 to 6 years figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness? and he answered Five years. There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Then five years passed for some of the early starters, and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to five to seven years. That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: You still don't get it. How about, Treat others like you would like them to treat you. Get it now? Here is a corollary to that Ann. If you are going to put someone on the defensive, put them on the defensive for something for which they can defend themselves, not some innuendo for which there is no adequate defense. That also is how we treat others as we would want to be treated. It is difficult having a discussion with someone who has limited reading comprehension and an inability to put themselves in someone else's shoes. You appear to be one of those people. Gratuitous insult. Fair game. No harm no foul. And all this time I thought you were a fairly nice guy. Ann, does it occur to you that making a scurrilous accusation, or hint of a scurrilous accusation, totally out of the blue, may put someone in a defensive posture? If not, then you may be the one who may have something to learn in this regard. But these two characteristics create something else entirely. Moving on. Always wishing you well Ann.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment: 5-7 years
Michael Jackson: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? This subject came up several years ago on Usenet. At that time nobody posting to a.m.t. could produce any evidence that MMY ever promised enlightenment in 5-7 years. Which of course would have been ridiculous since over 200 had already been meditating in the U.S. for over five years, including Nancy and Charlie. MMY could have said this - I don't know - but if he did it would be nonsense, since everyone knows that TM practice is not the cause of enlightenment; it just provides the perfect opportunity for experiencing the transcendent. Apparently several informants claimed that MMY had said this in a talk, but the only thing I've found in print or recorded was the pamphlet about the 'Five Year Plan' organization plan for the SRM in 1967. However, there is a rumor on the internet that Barry used to print up posters for SIMS and that Barry wrote 'A Promise of Enlightenment in 5-7 Years' and tacked them up on telephone walls around West Hollywood. When Jerry found out about this he went around and ripped the dumb posters down and threw them in the trash and sent Barry packing up to Portland or some place, way away from the main office. LoL! But, Barry went over to the 'Rama Guy' and started passing out leaflets promising 'instant' enlightenment. Go figure. Subject: What does one owe a spiritual teacher? Author: Uncle Tantra Newsgroup: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 8-6-2004 http://tinyurl.com/bqbt2yf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I have never heard that 3 to 6 years figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness? and he answered Five years. There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Then five years passed for some of the early starters, and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to five to seven years. That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself. Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him and probably would still if we met, a fourth option to the ones I listed above would be IMO that he could be suffering from LKS. That stands for Latest Knowledge Syndrome, and should be well known by any TM teacher here who is willing to be honest. It's what happened when Maharishi decided to reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- words or phrases to describe things. Like World Plan Executive Council instead of SIMS, or home of all knowledge instead of the Absolute. He would just switch over to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was expected to follow suit. The old language and way of presenting things was out, and the new way was in. As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked fairly closely with him at National, and when a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry shifted immediately into the new in language, and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old language. Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous in language or the ways that things were pre- sented previously. You certainly see this even in the modern TM movement. This change of language and change of presentation IS, after all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began the recertification silliness. He was trying to make sure that no TM teachers were using the old language, only the new, approved language. So they had to pay a second time to be retrained as TM teachers. How likely is it that any recertified TM teacher can remember clearly the language and the sales pitches they were carefully trained no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry can remember what was printed on the brochures that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? I do know that he was at the same public talk as I was at which Maharishi said five years clearly, in response to an audience question. Then again, based on info in a post made here on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. He simply may not remember, or may be given to remembering only what he wants to remember.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? turquoiseb: I have never heard that 3 to 6 years figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness? and he answered Five years. There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Maybe in your dreams! I was there at every lecture and meeting and he made no such claim - BillyG was there too, and he never heard it. But, none can be produced as evidence. I have one of the brochures from SRM from 1967 which says nothing about 'cosmic consciousness'. Then five years passed for some of the early starters, and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to five to seven years. You're probably thinking of the SRM 'Seven Year Plan brochure. That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. This ridiculous since by that time there were TMers in India that had been meditating for over ten years. Beaulah Smith had been practicing TM for eight years in 1967! If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself. Jerry Jarvis would have NEVER approved of any poster being sent out with a dumb promise like that - get real! Apparently you altered the text with a felt pen to read 'TM: A Promise of Cosmic Consciousness in 5-7 Years'. and so you got kicked out. LoL! It was stupid of you to try to pull that off, and even stupider to try and spread this rumor again here in FFL. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I have never heard that 3 to 6 years figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness? and he answered Five years. There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Then five years passed for some of the early starters, and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to five to seven years. That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself. turquoise: Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him and probably would still if we met, a fourth option to the ones I listed above would be IMO that he could be suffering from LKS. That stands for Latest Knowledge Syndrome, and should be well known by any TM teacher here who is willing to be honest. It's what happened when Maharishi decided to reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- words or phrases to describe things. Like World Plan Executive Council instead of SIMS, or home of all knowledge instead of the Absolute. He would just switch over to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was expected to follow suit. The old language and way of presenting things was out, and the new way was in. As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked fairly closely with him at National, and when a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry shifted immediately into the new in language, and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old language. Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous in language or the ways that things were pre- sented previously. You certainly see this even in the modern TM movement. This change of language and change of presentation IS, after all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began the recertification silliness. He was trying to make sure that no TM teachers were using the old language, only the new, approved language. So they had to pay a second time to be retrained as TM teachers. How likely is it that any recertified TM teacher can remember clearly the language and the sales pitches they were carefully trained no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry can remember what was printed on the brochures that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? I do know that he was at the same public talk as I was at which Maharishi said five years clearly, in response to an audience question. Then again, based on info in a post made here on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. He simply may not remember, or may be given to remembering only what he wants to remember. It's a known fact that TM teachers lie many times throughout the day. Subject: Cosmic Consciousness in Five Years Author: Willytex Newsgroup: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 7-3-2003 http://tinyurl.com/cfb5u2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
At TTC someone asked about the five to eight years to get to CC, and Maharishi stopped the person at the mike and said, No, no, no, much sooner for initiators -- two years something like that, eh? eh? I was at TTC for eight months -- I kept a log -- did 5 years' worth of 20 minute meditations in that time. And here I am -- a futzing putz still. He said it. He said it clearly. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor?
[FairfieldLife] Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate and at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being open ended. The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness was so muddy it was taking longer than expected. My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM during the three days checking. The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it would be long remembered. I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. Rick? Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
do you remember who your initiator was? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
[FairfieldLife] Steve, Share, Curtis, Barry (was: Curtis Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: thanks Share. I often read posts quickly. I recall now that, that was the context. No, you recall no such thing. The context was yogic flying competitions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342992 Follow the thread, dummy. (And notice that your pal Share didn't have the honesty to correct you.) Perhaps the most perfect example of inadvertent irony yet on FFL: But no matter. There are always those who are ready to shift the context, whatever it may be, to suit their own ends. I think you know who they are. The ones who are always accusing of others of doing that exact same thing. And then there are the folks like Steve who accuse other folks of all kinds of misbehavior when it's actually their own poor memory, laziness, malice, and general stupidity that's at fault. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Steve, actually THE story that I had in mind when I made that comment was a story that Buck posted a little while ago. It was a story about women in India having their own car on the train for safety's sake. So my comment was not referring to a story about a rape incident. As for Share, of course nobody said her comment was referring to a story about a rape incident; she made that up. Plus which, it's disingenuous of her to pretend her frisky fellers remark had nothing to do with rape because she was only thinking of the story Buck linked to about separate compartments for women on some Indian trains. In fact, that story was also very much about the prevalence of rape and violence against women in that country. It began: - Headlines in India's national newspapers tell the story of the state of women in the country. A sampling of what readers in New Delhi encounter makes for sober reading: Woman Alleges Gang Rape In Lawyer's Chamber. More Shame: Five Rapes In Two Days. Woman Resists Molestation, Shot Dead. India's media have been zealous about exposing the pervasive sexual violence in the country since the gruesome gang rape and subsequent death of a 23-year-old woman in December ignited an international outcry - http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175471907/on-indias-trains-seeking-safety-in-the-women-s-compartment Of course, her claim that she was thinking only of men who leer at and fondle women on trains leaves poor Curtis in the lurch with *his* claim that Share was juxtaposing the obvious level of horror of the incidents with language that got its message through to anyone who was not trying to use and absurd level of literal-mindedness for an unfriendly agenda. Memo to Curtis: When you're trying to protect poor Share from the obligation to be accountable for what she writes, and at the same time take nasty swipes at those who criticize her for not doing so, make sure first that your disingenuous spin doesn't conflict with hers. And while I'm at it: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hilarious Jedi. Simply hilarious. This is the way normal people think. Or maybe you might have expected the brouhaha to go away after a couple weeks, or maybe a month, but I think we're going on eight months now with no sign of letting up. Hey, genius, before this becomes common wisdom among those not smart enough to check their facts or even to read both sides of a discussion: Share's accusation wasn't discussed at all here between mid-December and early April, close to four months. Psychological rape is not just a random insult, it's a serious, reputation-damaging charge for which, as it happens, there was zero basis (see my two posts to Susan). It was fully appropriate to spend the time we did on it. And as I told Jason, I and others tried his suggestion, but it didn't work. If Share had done the right thing and withdrawn her slanderous, baseless charge, the discussion of it would have ended there. And: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: (snip) Ann, como sa va? Comment ça va? You may get away with approximate pronunciation of foreign terms in live conversation, but you look really dumb when you put them in writing without knowing how to spell them. Thank you for your concern. No, I am alive and well, just trying to take care of business. I was inspired by Susan's post about Share's original post, and decided to jump back into the fray. But did not, of course, read my response to Susan to see what she got wrong. And it wasn't about *Share's* post, it was about *Robin's* post and Share's very odd replies. And: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: (snip The problem, as I see it, is with four posters. If by some act of God they were not to post AT ALL for a couple of weeks, we would see a remarkable change in Fairfield Life. I'm speaking, of course, of the Hate Brigade -- Judy, Ann, Ravi, and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
I remember Bob Fickes who worked on International staff for a few years saying that it was the idea that you mold yourself to whatever the guru was doing and thinking and that is how you attuned yourself to the enlightened energy of the master. As an aside about Bob and Jerry, Bob once told me he was the one who convinced Maharishi to dismantle the Area Capitol set-up for the Movement. He said the Area Capitols were draining money away from the local TM Centers and some of the centers were having to close and there were other issues. When he approached M about it, Marshy called Jerry in and M repeated each thing Bob had said and asked if these things were true, and according to Bob, Jerry would look at the floor and nod or say Yes, Maharishi its true. Then Marshy told him to put an end to the Area Capitol structure. Don't know if it is true, but Bob told me that in 1991 in California. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I have never heard that 3 to 6 years figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness? and he answered Five years. There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Then five years passed for some of the early starters, and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to five to seven years. That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself. Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him and probably would still if we met, a fourth option to the ones I listed above would be IMO that he could be suffering from LKS. That stands for Latest Knowledge Syndrome, and should be well known by any TM teacher here who is willing to be honest. It's what happened when Maharishi decided to reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- words or phrases to describe things. Like World Plan Executive Council instead of SIMS, or home of all knowledge instead of the Absolute. He would just switch over to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was expected to follow suit. The old language and way of presenting things was out, and the new way was in. As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked fairly closely with him at National, and when a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry shifted immediately into the new in language, and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old language. Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous in language or the ways that things were pre- sented previously. You certainly see this even in the modern TM movement. This change of language and change of presentation IS, after all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began the recertification silliness. He was trying to make sure that no TM teachers were using the old language, only the new, approved language. So they had to pay a second time to be retrained as TM teachers. How likely is it that any recertified TM teacher can remember clearly the language and the sales pitches they were carefully trained no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry can remember what was printed on the brochures that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? I do know that he was at the same public talk as I was at which Maharishi said five years clearly, in response to an audience question. Then again, based on info in a post made here on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. He simply may not remember, or may be given to remembering only what he wants to remember.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term initiator as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
Dang if I know - it was the term that was prevalent when I learned in 1974 and for some reason it has always stuck in my mind. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term initiator as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
[FairfieldLife] Steve, Share, Curtis, Barry (was: Curtis Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Poor Judy. Poor, poor Judy. Maybe the world will come around sometime to your way of thinking one day. As for me, I can't read more than one or two sentences to get the gist of the same old, almost two decade old, tirade, in this case against me and Share. Tomorrow against Curtis and Barry. The next day against Xeno and who knows who. On and on it goes. Carry on Judy. With your truth (small t) banner, carry on! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: thanks Share. I often read posts quickly. I recall now that, that was the context. No, you recall no such thing. The context was yogic flying competitions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342992 Follow the thread, dummy. (And notice that your pal Share didn't have the honesty to correct you.) Perhaps the most perfect example of inadvertent irony yet on FFL: But no matter. There are always those who are ready to shift the context, whatever it may be, to suit their own ends. I think you know who they are. The ones who are always accusing of others of doing that exact same thing. And then there are the folks like Steve who accuse other folks of all kinds of misbehavior when it's actually their own poor memory, laziness, malice, and general stupidity that's at fault. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Steve, actually THE story that I had in mind when I made that comment was a story that Buck posted a little while ago. It was a story about women in India having their own car on the train for safety's sake. So my comment was not referring to a story about a rape incident. As for Share, of course nobody said her comment was referring to a story about a rape incident; she made that up. Plus which, it's disingenuous of her to pretend her frisky fellers remark had nothing to do with rape because she was only thinking of the story Buck linked to about separate compartments for women on some Indian trains. In fact, that story was also very much about the prevalence of rape and violence against women in that country. It began: - Headlines in India's national newspapers tell the story of the state of women in the country. A sampling of what readers in New Delhi encounter makes for sober reading: Woman Alleges Gang Rape In Lawyer's Chamber. More Shame: Five Rapes In Two Days. Woman Resists Molestation, Shot Dead. India's media have been zealous about exposing the pervasive sexual violence in the country since the gruesome gang rape and subsequent death of a 23-year-old woman in December ignited an international outcry - http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175471907/on-indias-trains-seeking-safety-\ in-the-women-s-compartment Of course, her claim that she was thinking only of men who leer at and fondle women on trains leaves poor Curtis in the lurch with *his* claim that Share was juxtaposing the obvious level of horror of the incidents with language that got its message through to anyone who was not trying to use and absurd level of literal-mindedness for an unfriendly agenda. Memo to Curtis: When you're trying to protect poor Share from the obligation to be accountable for what she writes, and at the same time take nasty swipes at those who criticize her for not doing so, make sure first that your disingenuous spin doesn't conflict with hers. And while I'm at it: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hilarious Jedi. Simply hilarious. This is the way normal people think. Or maybe you might have expected the brouhaha to go away after a couple weeks, or maybe a month, but I think we're going on eight months now with no sign of letting up. Hey, genius, before this becomes common wisdom among those not smart enough to check their facts or even to read both sides of a discussion: Share's accusation wasn't discussed at all here between mid-December and early April, close to four months. Psychological rape is not just a random insult, it's a serious, reputation-damaging charge for which, as it happens, there was zero basis (see my two posts to Susan). It was fully appropriate to spend the time we did on it. And as I told Jason, I and others tried his suggestion, but it didn't work. If Share had done the right thing and withdrawn her slanderous, baseless charge, the discussion of it would have ended there. And: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) Ann, como sa va? Comment ça va? You may get away with approximate pronunciation of foreign terms in live conversation, but you look really dumb when you put them in writing without knowing how to spell them. Thank you for your concern. No, I am alive and well, just trying to take care of business. I was inspired by Susan's post about Share's original
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term initiator as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? I don't remember anything being said about the term initiator per se on my TTC course. I would imagine that the term came from some of Maharishi's first students in America, most of whom were older, and many of whom had come from various Western/Occult spiritual backgrounds. Such as the Rosicrucians, the Order of the Golden Dawn, that sort of org. So my suspicion is that the term came from them. They would tend to think in terms of being initiated into something, and I'll bet that Maharishi heard the English term from them and appropriated it. Maybe he liked the term because it sounded better than parrot. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term initiator as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? I don't remember anything being said about the term initiator per se on my TTC course. I would imagine that the term came from some of Maharishi's first students in America, most of whom were older, and many of whom had come from various Western/Occult spiritual backgrounds. Such as the Rosicrucians, the Order of the Golden Dawn, that sort of org. So my suspicion is that the term came from them. They would tend to think in terms of being initiated into something, and I'll bet that Maharishi heard the English term from them and appropriated it. Maybe he liked the term because it sounded better than parrot. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE Quite. It's this idea that I've been initiated into something without my being aware of it that gets me. I thought it might be some sort of TM secret agenda. Order of the Golden Dawn sounds good though, better than Global Family of World Peace, or whatever it is this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Michael Jackson: who were the 1st 10 on FFL? Have you ever considered taking a course in Reading? You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post a question. Go figure. Click on Messages Oldest to see the first ten on FFL. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/1?l=1 It looks like I'm near the beginning and the end, right after Kirk posted a threat to bomb Texas and OldBluIce posted all those nasty comments to FFL about MMY murdering SBS for his money and title. But, in fact did SBS actually have a gold ring? From the FFL archive vault: This, too, is Brahman.- Alex Stanley 115359 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/115359
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Why don't you just ignore the bicker posts? I do. All I have to do is click on one of those posts and see they are still stuck going round and round the same old circle. Sorta like magpies chattering over nothing. But then this is the Funny Farm Lounge. Or maybe they're just neurotic because the Grim Reaper has been seen in the neighborhood? On 05/08/2013 04:50 AM, Buck wrote: It's time we seize this place back from the de-railers and re-rail FFL again. I feel we should convene a counsel of FFL elders to sit with the list owner and guide the FFL moderators to decide what to do with this problem and try to save this place for everyone. Let's us defer to the first, an original 10 individuals who came to FFL with a heart, mind and hope to create something good, a new Zion on the internet. Obviously the mob here now can not control itself here. Let us have the FFL elders to look out for the welfare of this forum. Ours is a need for something like a continental Congress to look out for us all. Click on 'messages' and then click on 'oldest'. Let us look back to look forward for a better FFL. Look at the first, the earliest posting and let us gather the wisdom of that group of elder FFL writers from that golden era of the then new FFL to better serve our future now. It is time to meditate on this and act. It is time to mediate as elders. May the Unified Field Save our FFL, -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well, salyavin, I was all set to say okey dokey to the 40% but now you've gone and said that galaxies are NOT traveling faster than light and worse, you've put a kabash on youtube! How about 35%? You drive a hard bargain. How about; if I see a galaxy travelling faster than light before our IPO I'll take 35% and I'll take 25% if youtube is awarded the Nobel prize for the discovery. But, I'll take 55% if none of the above happens. You can't say fairer than that! Have you sourced the golden felt yet? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin wrote:àThe unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though Share replies:àhmmm, might be a business opportunity in that gold felt possibility (-: Get cracking with it Share, I'll only take 40% for the idea. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Rain rot. There's something rotting in a Golden Dome. Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem. For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows. It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it. In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking. Look to the barns of the countryside. Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof. The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down. It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot. Look at the geometry and those wood beams. They got an elaborate system to catch the drips. When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops. Been going on a long time. There's a problem there.May Unified Field Save the Domes The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though ,-Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield:TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATEDSURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTERIOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BELESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT WILL TOTAL1 TO 2 INCHES. THIS MAY CAUSE RISES ON SOME RIVERS LEADING TO RENEWEDMINOR TO POSSIBLY MODERATE FLOODING.Tonight: Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Temperature rising to around 48 by 5am. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms. Rain before noon, then showers likely after noon. High near 59. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible. Saturday Night, Scattered rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On 05/07/2013 11:07 PM, turquoiseb wrote: And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) FFL would make one awful zombie movie. It would take me less than 5 minutes to turn it off and move on to something else. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] For those who think they're seeing reality on the TV news
On 05/08/2013 05:17 AM, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.happyplace.com/23728/cnn-anchors-pretend-theyre-not-having-a-satellite-interview-in-the-same-parking-lot-funny http://tinyurl.com/cjw8sk8 TV and radio is mostly smoke and mirrors. You do a TV or radio interview that is recorded for 5 minutes and they use 30 seconds of it. News is pretty much all show biz anymore. And guess what they are charging for the SF Chronicle these days? Three dollars at the news stand and they want to charge you to read their web site too. Care to venture how much longer the SF Chronicle will be around? BTW, I've been watching a 6 part BBC documentary from the 1980s about your old stomping grounds. It's about the Spanish Civil War. On another forum we've been comparing what brought Spain to it and Chile to their coup d'etat to what seems to be brewing in your real old stomping ground, the US. There are lots of parallels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81RhewkQbOk Bet you heard some good tales in Spain about that era. It was certainly brutal. On the Chilean coup I watched Post Mortem which is about a mortician who falls in love with his neighbor and is thrown in the midst of the coup d'etat. For the Netflixers it's available WI. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Post_Mortem/70154108 (Note the reviews say there are no subtitles but they've apparently been added since). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1714886/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
I'm with you. If it doesn't interest me, I simply don't read it. It's not like I don't have anything else to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Why don't you just ignore the bicker posts? I do. All I have to do is click on one of those posts and see they are still stuck going round and round the same old circle. Sorta like magpies chattering over nothing. But then this is the Funny Farm Lounge. Or maybe they're just neurotic because the Grim Reaper has been seen in the neighborhood? On 05/08/2013 04:50 AM, Buck wrote: It's time we seize this place back from the de-railers and re-rail FFL again. I feel we should convene a counsel of FFL elders to sit with the list owner and guide the FFL moderators to decide what to do with this problem and try to save this place for everyone. Let's us defer to the first, an original 10 individuals who came to FFL with a heart, mind and hope to create something good, a new Zion on the internet. Obviously the mob here now can not control itself here. Let us have the FFL elders to look out for the welfare of this forum. Ours is a need for something like a continental Congress to look out for us all. Click on 'messages' and then click on 'oldest'. Let us look back to look forward for a better FFL. Look at the first, the earliest posting and let us gather the wisdom of that group of elder FFL writers from that golden era of the then new FFL to better serve our future now. It is time to meditate on this and act. It is time to mediate as elders. May the Unified Field Save our FFL, -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who think they're seeing reality on the TV news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: BTW, I've been watching a 6 part BBC documentary from the 1980s about your old stomping grounds. It's about the Spanish Civil War. On another forum we've been comparing what brought Spain to it and Chile to their coup d'etat to what seems to be brewing in your real old stomping ground, the US. There are lots of parallels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81RhewkQbOk Bet you heard some good tales in Spain about that era. It was certainly brutal. People didn't talk about it too much. For the older people it was too painful, and most of the younger ones didn't talk about it around older people because it was too painful for them. There is hardly a family in Spain that doesn't have a family member lost to that period, and the 40 years of tyranny that followed. The best film I've seen about it is Pan's Labyrinth, by Guillermo del Toro. If you haven't seen it, watch the two trailers at this IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457430/reference While a fantasy, I've been told by the Spanish that this film does the best job of capturing what it was like to live during that era, and under that dark a regime. Interestingly enough, I went to Spain briefly during the Franco era. I was only 14, and thus traveling with my parents, and we only went to Madrid, but I have vivid memories of having *loathed* the place. The scenery was cool, the buildings were cool, the paintings in the museums were cool, but the people were black. That is the color I remember most from that trip. Old women dressed entirely in black, with faces that looked as if they had never held a smile. Guardia Civil troops wearing all black, shiny uniforms and carrying black machine guns. Black. I came away from that trip to Spain never wanting to go back. And yet many, many years later, I not only went back, I lived there for a couple of years, and enjoyed every minute. Franco's death and the freedom that followed washed away most of the surface traces of that black period. You can still feel them, under the surface, but the surface Spain is remarkably happy and free, or at least was until its economy started to tank in recent years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
I clearly remember being told 5 to 7 years to attain CC at some point after 1973. I don't remember who said it. Later someone else (I believe it was MMY on a tape) said that CC begins as a sense of wholeness in one's life. I think it's fairly easy to have a sense wholeness growing even after just a few sittings. Yes? ;-) The idea that a person can have a sense of wholeness after five years of meditating is very possible and realistic, in my opinion. Further confounding of the issue is that the development of consciousness is probably a continuum: CC and other growth markers may just be concepts and pointers and not discrete states anyway. More like first grade primer language. Never-the-less, it was probably a mistake to put a time scale on it, because everyone brought their own baggage and emotional skill set (or lack thereof) to the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Steve, Share, Curtis, Barry (was: Curtis Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Your most debilitating characteristic, Steve, is your extreme moral cowardice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Poor Judy. Poor, poor Judy. Maybe the world will come around sometime to your way of thinking one day. As for me, I can't read more than one or two sentences to get the gist of the same old, almost two decade old, tirade, in this case against me and Share. Tomorrow against Curtis and Barry. The next day against Xeno and who knows who. On and on it goes. Carry on Judy. With your truth (small t) banner, carry on! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: thanks Share. I often read posts quickly. I recall now that, that was the context. No, you recall no such thing. The context was yogic flying competitions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342992 Follow the thread, dummy. (And notice that your pal Share didn't have the honesty to correct you.) Perhaps the most perfect example of inadvertent irony yet on FFL: But no matter. There are always those who are ready to shift the context, whatever it may be, to suit their own ends. I think you know who they are. The ones who are always accusing of others of doing that exact same thing. And then there are the folks like Steve who accuse other folks of all kinds of misbehavior when it's actually their own poor memory, laziness, malice, and general stupidity that's at fault. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Steve, actually THE story that I had in mind when I made that comment was a story that Buck posted a little while ago. It was a story about women in India having their own car on the train for safety's sake. So my comment was not referring to a story about a rape incident. As for Share, of course nobody said her comment was referring to a story about a rape incident; she made that up. Plus which, it's disingenuous of her to pretend her frisky fellers remark had nothing to do with rape because she was only thinking of the story Buck linked to about separate compartments for women on some Indian trains. In fact, that story was also very much about the prevalence of rape and violence against women in that country. It began: - Headlines in India's national newspapers tell the story of the state of women in the country. A sampling of what readers in New Delhi encounter makes for sober reading: Woman Alleges Gang Rape In Lawyer's Chamber. More Shame: Five Rapes In Two Days. Woman Resists Molestation, Shot Dead. India's media have been zealous about exposing the pervasive sexual violence in the country since the gruesome gang rape and subsequent death of a 23-year-old woman in December ignited an international outcry - http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175471907/on-indias-trains-seeking-safety-\ in-the-women-s-compartment Of course, her claim that she was thinking only of men who leer at and fondle women on trains leaves poor Curtis in the lurch with *his* claim that Share was juxtaposing the obvious level of horror of the incidents with language that got its message through to anyone who was not trying to use and absurd level of literal-mindedness for an unfriendly agenda. Memo to Curtis: When you're trying to protect poor Share from the obligation to be accountable for what she writes, and at the same time take nasty swipes at those who criticize her for not doing so, make sure first that your disingenuous spin doesn't conflict with hers. And while I'm at it: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hilarious Jedi. Simply hilarious. This is the way normal people think. Or maybe you might have expected the brouhaha to go away after a couple weeks, or maybe a month, but I think we're going on eight months now with no sign of letting up. Hey, genius, before this becomes common wisdom among those not smart enough to check their facts or even to read both sides of a discussion: Share's accusation wasn't discussed at all here between mid-December and early April, close to four months. Psychological rape is not just a random insult, it's a serious, reputation-damaging charge for which, as it happens, there was zero basis (see my two posts to Susan). It was fully appropriate to spend the time we did on it. And as I told Jason, I and others tried his suggestion, but it didn't work. If Share had done the right thing and withdrawn her slanderous, baseless charge, the discussion of it would have ended there. And: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) Ann, como sa va? Comment ça va? You may get away with approximate
[FairfieldLife] Steve, Share, Curtis, Barry (was: Curtis Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Your most debilitating characteristic, Steve, is your extreme moral cowardice. Is that your final answer?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who think they're seeing reality on the TV news
On 05/08/2013 09:47 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: BTW, I've been watching a 6 part BBC documentary from the 1980s about your old stomping grounds. It's about the Spanish Civil War. On another forum we've been comparing what brought Spain to it and Chile to their coup d'etat to what seems to be brewing in your real old stomping ground, the US. There are lots of parallels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81RhewkQbOk Bet you heard some good tales in Spain about that era. It was certainly brutal. People didn't talk about it too much. For the older people it was too painful, and most of the younger ones didn't talk about it around older people because it was too painful for them. There is hardly a family in Spain that doesn't have a family member lost to that period, and the 40 years of tyranny that followed. The best film I've seen about it is Pan's Labyrinth, by Guillermo del Toro. If you haven't seen it, watch the two trailers at this IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457430/reference While a fantasy, I've been told by the Spanish that this film does the best job of capturing what it was like to live during that era, and under that dark a regime. Interestingly enough, I went to Spain briefly during the Franco era. I was only 14, and thus traveling with my parents, and we only went to Madrid, but I have vivid memories of having *loathed* the place. The scenery was cool, the buildings were cool, the paintings in the museums were cool, but the people were black. That is the color I remember most from that trip. Old women dressed entirely in black, with faces that looked as if they had never held a smile. Guardia Civil troops wearing all black, shiny uniforms and carrying black machine guns. Black. I came away from that trip to Spain never wanting to go back. And yet many, many years later, I not only went back, I lived there for a couple of years, and enjoyed every minute. Franco's death and the freedom that followed washed away most of the surface traces of that black period. You can still feel them, under the surface, but the surface Spain is remarkably happy and free, or at least was until its economy started to tank in recent years. I can imagine the the older folks don't want to even think about since it was a very horrific time. Basically the monarchy was ended and Spain thrown into a democracy overnight. The landowners didn't like it. All kinds of factions rose. Since the fascists were well funded by the rich and had support from other countries, they one and the country was thrown into tyranny for years. We risk a danger like that in the US. I saw Pan's Labyrinth in a theater when it came out and rented the BD for the extras. It's good but a better film for understanding the politics is There Be Dragons. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/There_Be_Dragons/70134667 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1316616/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? salyavin: I know people who were promised it in 7 years. Was that promise made after 7 years? LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
On 05/08/2013 08:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate and at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being open ended. The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness was so muddy it was taking longer than expected. My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM during the three days checking. The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it would be long remembered. I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. Rick? Anyone? The time to enlightenment can range from instantaneous to many lifetimes depending on the individual and the development of their nervous system. Most people I hung out with doing TM had clear experiences of transcending. A few felt they had crossed the line into CC. But I've run into a few others, still practicing, who say they've only had one or two experiences of transcending. So there is quite a diversity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
I recall Charlie Lutes mentioning the 5 year figure, but then he added 'Maharishi forgot to add the zeros'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
Showers and thunderstorms, mainly after 7pm. Low around 57. South wind around 5 mph becoming southeast after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: You should come back and see the Domes sometime. Be in them meditating. The Fairfield Domes are really pretty nice and a fabulous place to meditate in the enormous field effect as a spiritual place. -Buck Well, some amount of that ambient level of respiratory aggravation you can hear in the group meditation in the Domes could probably be re-mediated by removing the preceding nite's more stagnant formaldehyde laden air before people show up to meditate. Reset the fresh-air intake parameters to start earlier. No MJ, that is not exactly fair to say that about the Domes. The air is pretty good in there now. A lot of work and money has been put in to the air quality except for the formaldehyde. [A gas at room temperature, formaldehyde is colorless and has a characteristic pungent, irritating odor]. The formaldehyde is just in the nature of having the foam there to sit on to meditate. Everything else gets monitored and worked at with new and refurbished air-handling equipment and regular cleaning of the sheets and Domes. The only obvious things to do now would be to turn on the fresh-air intake ventilation earlier in the morning before people actually show up to meditate. Cycle the air earlier so as to cycle and remove the stagnant formaldehyde laden night air. At least set it so it gets going and is done by the start of the meditation instead of by the end of the first daily meditation after the Dome sits closed all nite. And then, of course also fix the leaking roof before it gets out of hand. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That also means there is probably mold in the Dome as well - typical of the Movement to keep the money flowing to the upper tier of Marshy hucksters and not spend it on the benefit of the rank and file members. But hey, it will just be part of your collective tapas for enlightenment when the roof collapses. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dome Rot;  Rain rot.  There's something rotting in a Golden Dome.  Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem.  For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows.  It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it.  In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking.  Look to the barns of the countryside.  Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof.  The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down.  It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot.  Look at the geometry and those wood beams.  They got an elaborate system to catch the drips.  When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops.  Been going on a long time.  There's a problem there. May Unified Field Save the Domes, -Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield: TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATED SURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTER IOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE LESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT WILL TOTAL 1 TO 2 INCHES. THIS MAY CAUSE RISES ON SOME RIVERS LEADING TO RENEWED MINOR TO POSSIBLY MODERATE FLOODING. Tonight: Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Temperature rising to around 48 by 5am. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms. Rain before noon, then showers likely after noon. High near 59. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible. Saturday Night,
[FairfieldLife] Never Thought of this one.
Well it certainly never occurred to me, but a TM teacher who took TTC in the mid-1970's said on her course certain aspects of enlightenment were discussed including whether or not the enlightened were so refined that they no longer had bowel movements, the idea being that all that entered the body was turned to soma. Now my ideas of enlightenment are complete. This was by the way, discussion that took place amongst the course participants and not as part of the official course material.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
Jai Shri Buck for reminding me to empty my rain gauge from the last storm system, which dumped 2.75 on us. Yea verily, the FFL signal to noise ratio is improved by your timely and auspicious weather report. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Showers and thunderstorms, mainly after 7pm. Low around 57. South wind around 5 mph becoming southeast after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Translation: FFL should be a place of comfort, security where I can just state my opinions without being challenged, without being discomforted whether it is the truth. I'm not here on any quest for any self-knowledge, discovery. Ravi - OK Susan fair enough. But instead of being snarky just keep your big mouth shut and like my Uncleji stick to non-controversial topics, if you are feeling a little down you can always come up with some crazy conspiracy theory. On May 8, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Susan waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Glad you gave the post number. Funny thing, I've reposted it four times in the last week or so: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342364 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342376 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342440 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342520 But none of Share's supporters appear to have seen it or been able to find it (including Xeno) until Share gave the post number. Isn't that fascinating? Not really, I don't follow these types of discussions. I am guessing that neither do most people. There was no intent to be malicious or lazy. Wasn't suggesting that, and it wasn't just you. It's as if Share's supporters needed her permission to read the post. But saying Glad you gave the post number to Share suggested I had been withholding it because I didn't want anyone to actually check up on what I'd been saying about it, when in fact I'd already reposted it myself four times. Susan, I don't expect you to read what follows, because you're clearly set on supporting Share no matter what, so you don't want to know about anything that might make that support appear to be anything less than utterly reasonable. You have made a false assumption. I am not set on supporting Share no matter what. Why would you say that? Because you said you wanted to. I have not chosen sides. Your statement is just inflammatory and inaccurate. I supported her response to one post alone. That post was all about what I've addressed here. I might have misinterpreted her reason for backing away, but I certainly would have backed off too even if for my own reasons. I seriously doubt you would have had you not picked up on what Share and her other supporters were saying about her psychological rape accusation. But I'm posting it for the record anyway. I can't help reading your reaction here as a recap-- perhaps unconsciously--of what you've seen Share and her supporters say. IOW, I doubt you would have had this reaction if you didn't know Share had characterized Robin's comments as some kind of terrible violation. You did read her initial response, right, in which she simply declined to discuss what Robin had said and apologized to him for her grumpiness, which she attributed to having eaten too much sugar? How about Robin's response to that, in which *he* apologized for having made her uncomfortable and essentially took back everything he'd said? Did you read that as well, the part that begins Robin2? Yes I did read it, and Robin was apologetic. I think he had temporarily slipped into old habits You don't know anything about his old habits, Susan. and was tentative about that old approach, and then apologized when it was pointed out. *Share* doesn't know anything about Robin's old habits either, so there was nothing she could have pointed out; and she certainly said nothing to that effect in her response. I think he was right to apologize. He's a gentleman and had no wish to upset Share, even if there was no real reason for her to be upset. He wanted to continue their conversation, and apparently so did she, at least at that point. And you are aware that this post from Robin was the latest in a long series of extremely warm and friendly exchanges he and Share had been having with each other, right? Yes, to some extent, altho I don't follow the details. I mean, you say what Robin wrote sounds like something that would be appropriate for a therapist or a dear, dear friend to say, but that it seems inappropriate for an online chat. For sure, unusual for an online chat, but their conversations had had this unusually intimate quality almost from the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. This is always your carefully laid trap Judy. Occasionally someone still falls into it, but 18 years of posting on the internet has revealed that you are generally not an honest broker. Search for Truth does not play into your agenda except on rare occasions. Your agenda lies elsewhere. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! I'm at the Detroit airport, using free wifi, being very high tech ha ha. Next flight to BWI around 6 pm Eastern. Which I'm sure is totally riveting info (-: The young woman next to me was on cell telling someone about pilot with a sense of humor, telling them they'd have a little wait while those slinging about their luggage got done. Before this, while they were still taxiing to the gate, he must have heard a few peeps unbuckle early. No, no, no, came over the intercom. I definitely need to get out more (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC On 05/07/2013 11:07 PM, turquoiseb wrote: And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) FFL would make one awful zombie movie. It would take me less than 5 minutes to turn it off and move on to something else. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On May 8, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! Oh Miss Sadie - Sickening and hilarious. The only way you can now make up for your dishonesty is by fantasizing this place is a Funny Farm Lounge. You should ask Uncleji why he thinks this is a funny farm lounge yet he is the pride of Bay Area conspiracy theorists. Why is Fukushima not Funny Farm Lounge? Wonder why this didn't occur to your twisted mind when interacting with Robin? So no Robin the frisky feller in funny farm lounge - followed by giggles, smileys, LOLs and XOXOs? I'm at the Detroit airport, using free wifi, being very high tech ha ha. Next flight to BWI around 6 pm Eastern. Which I'm sure is totally riveting info (-: The young woman next to me was on cell telling someone about pilot with a sense of humor, telling them they'd have a little wait while those slinging about their luggage got done. Before this, while they were still taxiing to the gate, he must have heard a few peeps unbuckle early. No, no, no, came over the intercom. I definitely need to get out more (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC On 05/07/2013 11:07 PM, turquoiseb wrote: And I think we know that the only person here who likes zombies is Bhairitu. :-) FFL would make one awful zombie movie. It would take me less than 5 minutes to turn it off and move on to something else. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
On May 8, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. 16) FFL is Funny Farm Lounge - Uncleji, Auntieji. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Communication outside of a courtroom is usually about more than facts and parsing them. I am not out to beat Judy or debate what someone else (like Robin) wrote (and meant) long ago. It does not interest me. I think it does not even interest Robin. You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Who would not want Judy to represent them in a legal case - doing great research, speaking in court and having so much knowledge at her fingertips. And in person she may be great. Perhaps the fallout from Judy's style here, for some but not all, is what you listed below? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. So you would like me to move you to #14 #15 dear Susan? I'm a nice guy too - very fluid and flexible like your kind self. On May 8, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Susan waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: Communication outside of a courtroom is usually about more than facts and parsing them. I am not out to beat Judy or debate what someone else (like Robin) wrote (and meant) long ago. It does not interest me. I think it does not even interest Robin. You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Who would not want Judy to represent them in a legal case - doing great research, speaking in court and having so much knowledge at her fingertips. And in person she may be great. Perhaps the fallout from Judy's style here, for some but not all, is what you listed below? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
OMG you made me feel bad for not including your coping style dear Susan. I have failed, you have humbled me dear - I will do a better job trying to understand you. Here's #15 revised 15) Truth, facts are inventions of the mind, stories we impose (Guru Xeno, Susan) On May 8, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. So you would like me to move you to #14 #15 dear Susan? I'm a nice guy too - very fluid and flexible like your kind self. On May 8, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Susan waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: Communication outside of a courtroom is usually about more than facts and parsing them. I am not out to beat Judy or debate what someone else (like Robin) wrote (and meant) long ago. It does not interest me. I think it does not even interest Robin. You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Who would not want Judy to represent them in a legal case - doing great research, speaking in court and having so much knowledge at her fingertips. And in person she may be great. Perhaps the fallout from Judy's style here, for some but not all, is what you listed below? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On 05/08/2013 02:31 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! Oh Miss Sadie - Sickening and hilarious. The only way you can now make up for your dishonesty is by fantasizing this place is a Funny Farm Lounge. You should ask Uncleji why he thinks this is a funny farm lounge yet he is the pride of Bay Area conspiracy theorists. Why is Fukushima not Funny Farm Lounge? A little slow there, Ravioli? Fukushima is not Funny Farm Lounge because it isn't referred to as FFL. We've even had contests for other things that the letters FFL could mean such as Foolish Foreign Leprechauns.
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: (snip) You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Another funny thing, Susan. I have no difficulty mixing styles. You were apparently unable or unwilling to hear the many qualifiers I used in my response to you for the elements that are more fluid and stories we impose [tentatively] on what happens. As long as one uses the appropriate style for each element one is considering, making the disinction between the two styles clear, there should be no frustration in using both. The frustration arises when one or both parties to a discussion insist on using one style exclusively--refusing to accept that there are such elements as facts, on the one hand, or on the other asserting that every element is a fact. (Reasonable discussion, however, becomes not just frustrating but impossible when one party falsely accuses the other of using one style exclusively, as you did with me.) Granted, in some cases there may be disagreements about which style applies most appropriately to which element, but that's a good issue for the parties to negotiate and either resolve or agree to disagree about. (I have only two posts left, so I won't be continuing this unless you want to resume on Friday.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On May 8, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/08/2013 02:31 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! Oh Miss Sadie - Sickening and hilarious. The only way you can now make up for your dishonesty is by fantasizing this place is a Funny Farm Lounge. You should ask Uncleji why he thinks this is a funny farm lounge yet he is the pride of Bay Area conspiracy theorists. Why is Fukushima not Funny Farm Lounge? A little slow there, Ravioli? Fukushima is not Funny Farm Lounge because it isn't referred to as FFL. We've even had contests for other things that the letters FFL could mean such as Foolish Foreign Leprechauns. Stop yelling at me Uncleji - what's up with that reference to Ravioli - you think it's funny? You really hurt my feelings - I don't ever see you encourage, support me, zero emotional support from you, the least you can do is avoid hurting my feelings. It will be a while before I will refer to you or talk to you again - oh yeah I'm mad at you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On 05/08/2013 03:36 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/08/2013 02:31 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! Oh Miss Sadie - Sickening and hilarious. The only way you can now make up for your dishonesty is by fantasizing this place is a Funny Farm Lounge. You should ask Uncleji why he thinks this is a funny farm lounge yet he is the pride of Bay Area conspiracy theorists. Why is Fukushima not Funny Farm Lounge? A little slow there, Ravioli? Fukushima is not Funny Farm Lounge because it isn't referred to as FFL. We've even had contests for other things that the letters FFL could mean such as Foolish Foreign Leprechauns. Stop yelling at me Uncleji - what's up with that reference to Ravioli - you think it's funny? You really hurt my feelings - I don't ever see you encourage, support me, zero emotional support from you, the least you can do is avoid hurting my feelings. It will be a while before I will refer to you or talk to you again - oh yeah I'm mad at you. Good! :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 08-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
On May 8, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/08/2013 03:36 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 05/08/2013 02:31 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Funny Farm Lounge participants! Oh Miss Sadie - Sickening and hilarious. The only way you can now make up for your dishonesty is by fantasizing this place is a Funny Farm Lounge. You should ask Uncleji why he thinks this is a funny farm lounge yet he is the pride of Bay Area conspiracy theorists. Why is Fukushima not Funny Farm Lounge? A little slow there, Ravioli? Fukushima is not Funny Farm Lounge because it isn't referred to as FFL. We've even had contests for other things that the letters FFL could mean such as Foolish Foreign Leprechauns. Stop yelling at me Uncleji - what's up with that reference to Ravioli - you think it's funny? You really hurt my feelings - I don't ever see you encourage, support me, zero emotional support from you, the least you can do is avoid hurting my feelings. It will be a while before I will refer to you or talk to you again - oh yeah I'm mad at you. Good! :-D Good? Clearly Fukushima matters more than my Feelings. I start screaming - Fuck Fukushima when I hear someone mention it, they think I'm paranoid. They can't see that I have an Uncleji who's clearly unreliable, unavailable and for me it appears Fukushima is some Asian, Japanese guy who's more important to you. Enough's enough - I am officially in the hunt for a new Uncleji who cares for my Feelings. Goodbye. Q
[FairfieldLife] Dome Demolished
No not one in Fairfield but one down the freeway from me where I used to see independent movies. In fact I saw Pan Labyrinth talked about earlier there. I used to refer one of the side theaters as the barn because it was a larger auditorium with a flat floor and often cold in the winter. The dome was okay but nothing to write home about. At least it had stadium seating. Some of the locals who frequented the theater wanted to save it but that didn't happen. They're sorta demented anyway as 1) they didn't know that Cinemark has been playing some of the indie and foreign films across the freeway in their newer 16 screen theater as well as their even newer 14 screen theater a few miles away in Walnut Creek and 2) that Cinemark did want to renovate but the landlord wouldn't allow it. And then 3) the venue for these films is streaming. You can even rent to stream some of them before release to the few remaining arthouses in the US. http://claycord.com/2013/05/08/video-dome-demolished/ (I hope someone else got some video of the full demolition). BTW, there is a Fairfield up the highway about 20 miles but no domes there.
[FairfieldLife] Buddhas promised enlightment. in 7 years -7 month- 7days
The magic Seven Read Vipassana Research Institute, 1996, pp. 2, 3. makes this practice appear to be superior to others: This is the direct way (PÄli: ekÄyano ... maggo- maggo is more commonly translated as the only path,based on the contextual meaning of ekÄyano, AnÄlayo translated as direct path),monks, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the extinguishing of suffering and grief, for walking on the path of truth, for the realization of nibbÄna and listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=wV0nJtlswqg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=wV0nJtlswqg and weep [:D] The sutta in which vipassana is based is sathipathana sutt,Smá¹tyupasthÄna SÅ«tra (The Discourse on the Establishing of Mindfulness)and the MahÄsatipaá¹á¹hÄna Sutta(The Great Discourse on the Establishing of Mindfulness)- -see above link Maha Sathipattana Sutta chanted by Ven. Dr. Omalpe Sobhita Thero.- in which Buddha promised that you could gain enlightment in 7 years, O bhikkhus, should any person maintain the Four Arousings of Mindfulness in this manner for seven years, then by him one of two fruitions is proper to be expected: Knowledge (arahantship) here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning (the Third Stage of Supramundane Fulfillment). O bhikkhus, let alone seven years. Should a person maintain these Four Arousings of Mindfulness, in this manner, for six years... for five years... four years... three years... two years... one year, then by him one of two fruitions is proper to be expected: knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. if not 7 months, O bhikkhus, let alone a year. Should any person maintain these Four Arousings of Mindfulness, in the manner, for seven months, then by him one of two fruitions is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. O bhikkhus, let alone seven months. Should any person maintain these Four Arousings of Mindfulness in this manner for six months... five months... four months... three months... two months... one month... half-a-month, then, by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non-returning. if not 7 days. O bhikkhus, let alone half-a-month. Should any person maintain these Four Arousings of Mindfulness in this manner for a week, then by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. Because of this was it said: 'This is the only way, O bhikkhus, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the destruction of suffering and grief, for reaching the right path, for the attainment of Nibbana, namely, the Four Arousings of Mindfulness. Thus spoke the Blessed One.
[FairfieldLife] Buddha promised enlightenment in 7 years -7 month- 7 days
The magic Seven Read Vipassana Research Institute, 1996, pp. 2, 3. makes this practice appear to be superior to all others: This is the direct way ( ekAyano ... maggo is more commonly translated as the only path,based on the contextual meaning of ekAyano, AnAlayo translated as direct path),monks, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the extinguishing of suffering and grief, for walking on the path of truth, for the realization of nibbAna http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:2056.pali http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:2056.pal\ i and listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=wV0nJtlswqg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=wV0nJtlswqg and weep [:D] The sutta in which vipassana is based is sathipathana sutta, SmátyupasthAna Sutra (The Discourse on the Establishing of Mindfulness)and the MahAsatipaátthAna Sutta(The Great Discourse on the Establishing of Mindfulness)- -see above link Maha Sathipattana Sutta chanted by Ven. Dr. Omalpe Sobhita Thero.- in which Buddha promised that you could gain enlightenment in 7 years, O bhikkhus, should any person maintain the Four Arousings of Mindfulness in this manner for seven years, then by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge (arahantship) here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning (the Third Stage of Supramundane Fulfillment). O bhikkhus, let alone seven years. Should a person maintain these Four Arousings of Mindfulness, in this manner, for six years... for five years... four years... three years... two years... one year, then by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. if not 7 months, O bhikkhus, let alone a year. Should any person maintain these Four Arousing s of Mindfulness, in the manner, for seven months, then by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. O bhikkhus, let alone seven months. Should any person maintain these Four Arousing s of Mindfulness in this manner for six months... five months... four months... three months... two months... one month... half-a-month, then, by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non-returning. if not 7 days. O bhikkhus, let alone half-a-month. Should any person maintain these Four Arousing s of Mindfulness in this manner for a week, then by him one of two fruition is proper to be expected: Knowledge here and now; or, if some form of clinging is yet present, the state of non- returning. Because of this was it said: 'This is the only way, O bhikkhus, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the destruction of suffering and grief, for reaching the right path, for the attainment of Nibbana, namely, the Four Arousings of Mindfulness. Thus spoke the Blessed One. thousands of years ago
[FairfieldLife] A bad day for the Knights Templar
Friday the 13-th, Oct. 1307 - Knights Templar arrested in France. Disbanded in 1312 by Pope Clement V. ... Another bad day in 1187, Battle of the Horn - Jerusalem recaptured by Saladin.: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Hattin.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Ah, I forgive you, Ravi! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: OMG you made me feel bad for not including your coping style dear Susan. I have failed, you have humbled me dear - I will do a better job trying to understand you. Here's #15 revised 15) Truth, facts are inventions of the mind, stories we impose (Guru Xeno, Susan) On May 8, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. So you would like me to move you to #14 #15 dear Susan? I'm a nice guy too - very fluid and flexible like your kind self. On May 8, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Communication outside of a courtroom is usually about more than facts and parsing them. I am not out to beat Judy or debate what someone else (like Robin) wrote (and meant) long ago. It does not interest me. I think it does not even interest Robin. You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Who would not want Judy to represent them in a legal case - doing great research, speaking in court and having so much knowledge at her fingertips. And in person she may be great. Perhaps the fallout from Judy's style here, for some but not all, is what you listed below? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Thu 09-May-13 00:15:02 UTC
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A bad day for the Knights Templar
Vatican declares Knights Templar innocent for 700th anniversary http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623 http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu wrote: Friday the 13-th, Oct. 1307 - Knights Templar arrested in France. Disbanded in 1312 by Pope Clement V. ... Another bad day in 1187, Battle of the Horn - Jerusalem recaptured by Saladin.: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Hattin.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Fair enough, Judy. The truth is I cannot read all the references to older posts, and I don't follow it all that closely, despite your careful efforts to lay it all out. I don't have the dissecting skills to respond to all your points, or the patience. And I especially don't have the time it would take me if I did decide to do so. I work fulltime plus. Even if I found the time, I don't think my mind works that way. I do know you made a good effort to meet me half way. And I realize that there are facts involved as well as overlaid stories. I just don't function in a way that can meet you - I have no interest in reviewing older posts, in getting to the details/facts/history of what someone else might have meant. You are good at that and enjoy it. I don't and so cannot really match you in that area. Maybe you can function in both ways. Let's leave it at that. It is not worth spending the few posts you have left. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: (snip) You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Another funny thing, Susan. I have no difficulty mixing styles. You were apparently unable or unwilling to hear the many qualifiers I used in my response to you for the elements that are more fluid and stories we impose [tentatively] on what happens. As long as one uses the appropriate style for each element one is considering, making the disinction between the two styles clear, there should be no frustration in using both. The frustration arises when one or both parties to a discussion insist on using one style exclusively--refusing to accept that there are such elements as facts, on the one hand, or on the other asserting that every element is a fact. (Reasonable discussion, however, becomes not just frustrating but impossible when one party falsely accuses the other of using one style exclusively, as you did with me.) Granted, in some cases there may be disagreements about which style applies most appropriately to which element, but that's a good issue for the parties to negotiate and either resolve or agree to disagree about. (I have only two posts left, so I won't be continuing this unless you want to resume on Friday.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Curtis, Ann (was Re: CyberPanic, the update, f)
Thank you dear Susan. Reading your response made me realize I didn't accord you the same respect as Guru Xeno - sorry it was a more reflection of my love than any disrespect. One of my friend says you shouldn't think so much - I told her - don't worry, Yes I do think too much but I love it, it doesn't cause me any worry. Here's #15 revised again 15) Truth, facts are inventions of the mind, stories we impose (Guru Xeno, Saint Susan of Fairfield) On May 8, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Susan waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: Ah, I forgive you, Ravi! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: OMG you made me feel bad for not including your coping style dear Susan. I have failed, you have humbled me dear - I will do a better job trying to understand you. Here's #15 revised 15) Truth, facts are inventions of the mind, stories we impose (Guru Xeno, Susan) On May 8, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. So you would like me to move you to #14 #15 dear Susan? I'm a nice guy too - very fluid and flexible like your kind self. On May 8, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Communication outside of a courtroom is usually about more than facts and parsing them. I am not out to beat Judy or debate what someone else (like Robin) wrote (and meant) long ago. It does not interest me. I think it does not even interest Robin. You call Judy the Truth-o-Meter. And she is very smart. But I look at things as more fluid and as stories we impose on what happens. These are very different styles. It is hard to mix them. And we frustrate each other in the trying. Each style has its strengths and weaknesses. Who would not want Judy to represent them in a legal case - doing great research, speaking in court and having so much knowledge at her fingertips. And in person she may be great. Perhaps the fallout from Judy's style here, for some but not all, is what you listed below? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Right - when faced with the brutal efficiency of the mean machine that is the Judy Truth-O-meter, here are the following ways to cope up with the discomfort, stress it causes. 1) Judy is a cyber-stalker (Barry) 2) Judy is bat-shit crazy (Barry) 3) Judy is an attention-vampire (Barry) 4) Judy is a malicious troll (Curtis) 5) Judy directs toxic energy towards strangers on Internet forums (Curtis) 6) Judy has an unfriendly agenda (Curtis) 7) Judy doesn't have a personal life (Barry, Steve) 8) Judy micro parses everything (Steve, Curtis) 9) Judy doesn't share her personal details (Steve) 10) Judy is part of Robin's cult (Share) 11) Judy is mean (Share) 12) Judy starts fights (Susan) 13) It's just Judy's opinion (Barry, Curtis, Steve, Share, Susan) 14) Facts and truth don't matter in Unity - Guru Xeno 15) Facts, truth are all inventions of the mind - Guru Xeno. Anyone else has any more? On May 8, 2013, at 1:49 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Judy, It sounds as if you think your opinions - oops I mean Facts - are Right. About everything. And you are fighting me. Carry on and enjoy yourself. You know, Susan, it's a funny thing, but when I cite what appears to me to be a fact, and nobody seems to be able to come up with evidence to refute it, or even a good reason to call it in question, I tend to assume that, by George, it *is* a fact. If you do (or anyone else does) ever come up with solid evidence or a good argument against anything I've said, by all means let me know. I'm happy to hear whatever you've got, and if I turn out to be wrong, I'll acknowledge it. Snide remarks in the absence of evidence or argument, however, I'm not inclined to take very seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Sylvia Browne makes wrong prediction about Amanda Berry
2004 - Browne's wrong prediction. http://abcnews.go.com/US/amanda-berrys-mom-told-pyschic-sylvia-browne-berry/story?id=19126853
[FairfieldLife] Re: A bad day for the Knights Templar
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/08/171506669/knights-of-malt\ a-celebrates-900th-anniversary-at-vatican http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/08/171506669/knights-of-mal\ ta-celebrates-900th-anniversary-at-vatican --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Vatican declares Knights Templar innocent for 700th anniversary http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu wrote: Friday the 13-th, Oct. 1307 - Knights Templar arrested in France. Disbanded in 1312 by Pope Clement V. ... Another bad day in 1187, Battle of the Horn - Jerusalem recaptured by Saladin.: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Hattin.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: A bad day for the Knights Templar
Knights Templar procession, Detroit http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/78128.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/08/171506669/knights-of-malt\ a-celebrates-900th-anniversary-at-vatican http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/08/171506669/knights-of-mal\ ta-celebrates-900th-anniversary-at-vatican --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Vatican declares Knights Templar innocent for 700th anniversary http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu wrote: Friday the 13-th, Oct. 1307 - Knights Templar arrested in France. Disbanded in 1312 by Pope Clement V. ... Another bad day in 1187, Battle of the Horn - Jerusalem recaptured by Saladin.: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Hattin.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Sri Chakra drawn by Ramana Maharshi
Color pencil Sri Chakra drawn by Ramana Maharshi for Venuammal, probably around the year 20: http://www.ashrama.org/images/sri-cakra.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Virtual tour of Arunachaleswarar Temple, Thiruvannamalai
Near the Ashram of Ramana Maharshi. . Accompanied by music. Click onto any arrows if you wish to go in that direction. http://view360.in/virtualtour/thiruvannamalai/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
The first reports of people in CC in scientific literature were the 6 TMers study by Richard Castillo who came to him complaining that they were completely uninvolved with the activity of the world around them. Upon questioning them further, he determined that, other than the complaint that things were different than they were used to, their lives were going just fine. Castillo's report promted the writers of the DSM-IV to make a spiritual practices exception to their section on depersonalization disorder section: if the person is engaged in spiritual practice and has no negative symptoms other than an intellectual concern about their state, they should not be diagnosed with depersonalization disorder. The average meditation experience of the TMers was 10+ years, but one patient had only been doing TM for 18 months when he spoke to Castillo. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: I clearly remember being told 5 to 7 years to attain CC at some point after 1973. I don't remember who said it. Later someone else (I believe it was MMY on a tape) said that CC begins as a sense of wholeness in one's life. I think it's fairly easy to have a sense wholeness growing even after just a few sittings. Yes? ;-) The idea that a person can have a sense of wholeness after five years of meditating is very possible and realistic, in my opinion. Further confounding of the issue is that the development of consciousness is probably a continuum: CC and other growth markers may just be concepts and pointers and not discrete states anyway. More like first grade primer language. Never-the-less, it was probably a mistake to put a time scale on it, because everyone brought their own baggage and emotional skill set (or lack thereof) to the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
Within a few months or a year or two of TMing, i started having witnessing sleep almost all the time. That situation has continued unbroken, except for a few periods of near-death illness, and staying awake 48-72+ hours straight, for nearly 40 years. PC + waking state is still extremely rare for me, however, and I go years at a time without a clear episode of transcending during TM. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate and at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being open ended. The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness was so muddy it was taking longer than expected. My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM during the� three days checking. The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it would be long remembered. I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. Rick? Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] New Shiva Temple in London
Open but still under construction - Lewisham, S. London. Dedicated to Arunachala Shiva: http://www.londonsivankovil.org.uk/gallery/index.php?twg_album=IMAGES%2FKumbabishekamtwg_show=IMG_7688.JPG
[FairfieldLife] Introduction to phytosomes
http://www.phytosomes.info/
[FairfieldLife] Can Gurus help us after they die?
From The Maharshi, May/June 2013, page 3.: A visitor asked once whether the contact with the Guru would continue after the dissolution of his [Ramana's] body and he replied: 'The Guru is not the physical form, so contact will remain even after his physical form vanishes'. If it be asked how he can guide individuals or perform any function after having become One with the Absolute, the answer is: in the first place, he has not become One with the Absolute but simply realized his preexisting and eternal Oneness. In the second place, he had already realized this Oneness while wearing the body and was universal then as he is now. He himself told us that death makes no difference to the jnani. . http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
er I've been traveling all day! Cedar Rapids to Detroit and Detroit to Baltimore. My head is all done in, very vata deranged, now all those numbers swimming in my noggin. But great, it's a deal. OTOH I thought YOU were sourcing the Golden Fleece (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well, salyavin, I was all set to say okey dokey to the 40% but now you've gone and said that galaxies are NOT traveling faster than light and worse, you've put a kabash on youtube! How about 35%? You drive a hard bargain. How about; if I see a galaxy travelling faster than light before our IPO I'll take 35% and I'll take 25% if youtube is awarded the Nobel prize for the discovery. But, I'll take 55% if none of the above happens. You can't say fairer than that! Have you sourced the golden felt yet? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin wrote: The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though Share replies: hmmm, might be a business opportunity in that gold felt possibility (-: Get cracking with it Share, I'll only take 40% for the idea. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Rain rot. There's something rotting in a Golden Dome. Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem. For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows. It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it. In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking. Look to the barns of the countryside. Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof. The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down. It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot. Look at the geometry and those wood beams. They got an elaborate system to catch the drips. When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops. Been going on a long time. There's a problem there.May Unified Field Save the Domes The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though ,-Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield:TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATEDSURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTERIOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BELESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT WILL TOTAL1 TO 2 INCHES. THIS MAY CAUSE RISES ON SOME RIVERS LEADING TO RENEWEDMINOR TO POSSIBLY MODERATE FLOODING.Tonight: Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Temperature rising to around 48 by 5am. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms. Rain before noon, then showers likely after noon. High near 59. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible. Saturday Night, Scattered rain. Cloudy, with a low around 49. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can Gurus help us after they die?
What is this madness Yifu - just leave Ramana alone OK? Nothing has changed since my last update - he is still enjoying in heaven and doesn't want to deal with idiots like you anymore, OMG the man already paid his dues to the society - he was starving and he was forced to create for him and others to deal with poverty and sickness. Anyway for people who don't know, here's my report from Ramana - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/295357 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: ** From The Maharshi, May/June 2013, page 3.: A visitor asked once whether the contact with the Guru would continue after the dissolution of his [Ramana's] body and he replied: 'The Guru is not the physical form, so contact will remain even after his physical form vanishes'. If it be asked how he can guide individuals or perform any function after having become One with the Absolute, the answer is: in the first place, he has not become One with the Absolute but simply realized his preexisting and eternal Oneness. In the second place, he had already realized this Oneness while wearing the body and was universal then as he is now. He himself told us that death makes no difference to the jnani. . http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/ .
[FairfieldLife] Archangel Michael and St. Francis
LArchangel Michael and St. Francis of Assisi, by Juan de Flandes, 1505, Netherlands.: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/34523.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Gurus help us after they die?
Thanks for your input. A report by Arthur Osborne years after Ramana's death republished in The Maharshi, May/June, 2013: . While the present article was being written, it so happened that the Ashram received a letter from an American woman who never saw the Maharshi, and indeed has never been to India, containing the following message: Great blessing and benediction was unexpectedly mine. At 7 a.m., just before waking, a vivid vision of Maharshi, potent znd powerful, was vouchsafed briefly to me, in colour. Yes, I know visions are not our aim and goal. However, the depth of surrender, ecstasy, awe, wave after wave, deeper and deeper - wave after wave of Bliss ineffable - was overwhelming, wonderful and encouraging: almost all vestige of mind was gone. Of course, thankful, humble and grateful, my dedication deepens greatly after this. The important and impact of it is with me still --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: What is this madness Yifu - just leave Ramana alone OK? Nothing has changed since my last update - he is still enjoying in heaven and doesn't want to deal with idiots like you anymore, OMG the man already paid his dues to the society - he was starving and he was forced to create for him and others to deal with poverty and sickness. Anyway for people who don't know, here's my report from Ramana - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/295357 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: ** From The Maharshi, May/June 2013, page 3.: A visitor asked once whether the contact with the Guru would continue after the dissolution of his [Ramana's] body and he replied: 'The Guru is not the physical form, so contact will remain even after his physical form vanishes'. If it be asked how he can guide individuals or perform any function after having become One with the Absolute, the answer is: in the first place, he has not become One with the Absolute but simply realized his preexisting and eternal Oneness. In the second place, he had already realized this Oneness while wearing the body and was universal then as he is now. He himself told us that death makes no difference to the jnani. . http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2
Since Maharishi said that with TMSP people would be developing all the higher states simultaneously, I think that just about anything is possible experience wise. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2 Within a few months or a year or two of TMing, i started having witnessing sleep almost all the time. That situation has continued unbroken, except for a few periods of near-death illness, and staying awake 48-72+ hours straight, for nearly 40 years. PC + waking state is still extremely rare for me, however, and I go years at a time without a clear episode of transcending during TM. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate and at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being open ended. The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness was so muddy it was taking longer than expected. My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM during the� three days checking. The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it would be long remembered. I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. Rick? Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Dome report for May/June
Should be ready on June 24-th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StdpKu50sZg
[FairfieldLife] McQueen
Steve McQueen, unknown photographer: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/79595.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
Dear Share, care for your Dome badge first before you go too far with this. salyavin808 is using you and has nothing to lose in this lame venture. Someone said the Gold Foam of the Dome roofing is trademarked and does not go with [tarred] felt repairs. Notice they've a nice glossy printing of the TM Saha Nav translation pinned up in the Dome entry area about never being negative or denouncing anyone that should put the fear in to anyone sensible of remotely thinking to being critical at all about anything there. So, it is not really worth bringing any of this up. So like just ignore all this less anyone think they are being denounced about the merits of the leaky roof.It is safer to just suck-up and live with it. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: er I've been traveling all day! Cedar Rapids to Detroit and Detroit to Baltimore. My head is all done in, very vata deranged, now all those numbers swimming in my noggin. But great, it's a deal. OTOH I thought YOU were sourcing the Golden Fleece (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Well, salyavin, I was all set to say okey dokey to the 40% but now you've gone and said that galaxies are NOT traveling faster than light and worse, you've put a kabash on youtube!àHow about 35%? You drive a hard bargain. How about; if I see a galaxy travelling faster than light before our IPO I'll take 35% and I'll take 25% if youtube is awarded the Nobel prize for the discovery. But, I'll take 55% if none of the above happens. You can't say fairer than that! Have you sourced the golden felt yet? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin wrote:ÃâàThe unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though Share replies:Ãâàhmmm, might be a business opportunity in that gold felt possibility (-: Get cracking with it Share, I'll only take 40% for the idea. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Rain rot. There's something rotting in a Golden Dome. Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem. For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows. It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it. In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking. Look to the barns of the countryside. Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof. The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down. It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot. Look at the geometry and those wood beams. They got an elaborate system to catch the drips. When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops. Been going on a long time. There's a problem there.May Unified Field Save the Domes The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though ,-Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield:TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATEDSURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTERIOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BELESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT WILL TOTAL1 TO 2 INCHES. THIS MAY CAUSE RISES ON SOME RIVERS LEADING TO RENEWEDMINOR TO POSSIBLY MODERATE FLOODING.Tonight: Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. Temperature rising to around 48 by 5am. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Gurus help us after they die?
Look Yifu, I'm sorry Ramana as I said - is having fun in heaven. So I will address your idiotic post. almost all vestige of mind was gone proves it's just a delusion, a projection, a fantasy. The mind works perfectly even at the height of religious ecstasy though totally overshadowed by the mystical, subjective aspect. She's not the first - neither will she be the last. Soon after my marriage my ex shocked me by suddenly bowing down in the middle of the room, I asked her what was up - she would say Amma was here and would also ask me to bow - I of course would pass remarking I couldn't see anyone. Or sometime it would be Durga, she also reported Krishna, Kali at times. I would stare at her mutely while mocking internally. I soon learned to ignore her drama, her so called visions (she reported lots of visions), ecstasies - reports of negative energy, negative entities. I tried my best to somehow make her focus on herself, never quite worked. I chalked it up to her over-the-top,religious enthusiastic devotion adopted by her after her first divorce - rather than to any psychological issues and/or arising from any abuse. Anyway lots of crazy people like these around Amma, unfortunately - majority of them women much like our Miss Sadie here. Most women seem to have abuse, childhood or early adolescent physical and/or sexual abuse - it's very complicated - the cause of these religious, delusional fantasies. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Thanks for your input. A report by Arthur Osborne years after Ramana's death republished in The Maharshi, May/June, 2013: . While the present article was being written, it so happened that the Ashram received a letter from an American woman who never saw the Maharshi, and indeed has never been to India, containing the following message: Great blessing and benediction was unexpectedly mine. At 7 a.m., just before waking, a vivid vision of Maharshi, potent znd powerful, was vouchsafed briefly to me, in colour. Yes, I know visions are not our aim and goal. However, the depth of surrender, ecstasy, awe, wave after wave, deeper and deeper - wave after wave of Bliss ineffable - was overwhelming, wonderful and encouraging: almost all vestige of mind was gone. Of course, thankful, humble and grateful, my dedication deepens greatly after this. The important and impact of it is with me still --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: What is this madness Yifu - just leave Ramana alone OK? Nothing has changed since my last update - he is still enjoying in heaven and doesn't want to deal with idiots like you anymore, OMG the man already paid his dues to the society - he was starving and he was forced to create for him and others to deal with poverty and sickness. Anyway for people who don't know, here's my report from Ramana - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/295357 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: ** From The Maharshi, May/June 2013, page 3.: A visitor asked once whether the contact with the Guru would continue after the dissolution of his [Ramana's] body and he replied: 'The Guru is not the physical form, so contact will remain even after his physical form vanishes'. If it be asked how he can guide individuals or perform any function after having become One with the Absolute, the answer is: in the first place, he has not become One with the Absolute but simply realized his preexisting and eternal Oneness. In the second place, he had already realized this Oneness while wearing the body and was universal then as he is now. He himself told us that death makes no difference to the jnani. . http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/ .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Share, care for your Dome badge first before you go too far with this. salyavin808 is using you and has nothing to lose in this lame venture. Someone said the Gold Foam of the Dome roofing is trademarked and does not go with [tarred] felt repairs. Notice they've a nice glossy printing of the TM Saha Nav translation pinned up in the Dome entry area about never being negative or denouncing anyone that should put the fear in to anyone sensible of remotely thinking to being critical at all about anything there. So, it is not really worth bringing any of this up. So like just ignore all this less anyone think they are being denounced about the merits of the leaky roof.It is safer to just suck-up and live with it. -Buck Is there anything in this entire world of yours, Buck, that would be worth giving up the privilege of entry to the Dome for? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: er I've been traveling all day! Cedar Rapids to Detroit and Detroit to Baltimore. My head is all done in, very vata deranged, now all those numbers swimming in my noggin. But great, it's a deal. OTOH I thought YOU were sourcing the Golden Fleece (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot;  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Well, salyavin, I was all set to say okey dokey to the 40% but now you've gone and said that galaxies are NOT traveling faster than light and worse, you've put a kabash on youtube!àHow about 35%? You drive a hard bargain. How about; if I see a galaxy travelling faster than light before our IPO I'll take 35% and I'll take 25% if youtube is awarded the Nobel prize for the discovery. But, I'll take 55% if none of the above happens. You can't say fairer than that! Have you sourced the golden felt yet? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin wrote:ÃâàThe unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though Share replies:Ãâàhmmm, might be a business opportunity in that gold felt possibility (-: Get cracking with it Share, I'll only take 40% for the idea. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Rain rot. There's something rotting in a Golden Dome. Not only just a metaphor but the capstone of a problem. For a long time every time it rains good there are drips from those central ceiling apex windows. It's been going on a long time and no one fixing it. In Iowa it does not take long for a building to start to come in once a roof starts to leaking. Look to the barns of the countryside. Best way to keep a building is to have a good roof. The best way to lose a building is let its roof go down. It's not a good sign for the future seeing the chronic leaks at the apex of those wooden beams up there. Water and wood equals rot. Look at the geometry and those wood beams. They got an elaborate system to catch the drips. When it rains good they quick deploy a fleet of plastic tubs around under the central skylights to catch the falling drips and then put them away once it stops. Been going on a long time. There's a problem there.May Unified Field Save the Domes The unified field may save the domes but you'd be better off with some hot pitch and roofing felt. It doesn't come in gold though ,-Buck A slow-moving storm system in the central U.S. will bring a prolonged period of rainfall to parts of the Mississippi River Valley and Southeast. There is a possibility of flash flooding and river flooding through the weekend for these areas. As much as 2-4 inches of rain are forecast through Monday. Fairfield:TODAY AND TONIGHT A MIX OF RAIN...SNOW AND SLEET MAY CAUSE SOME SLICK SPOTS ON ELEVATEDSURFACES AND BRIDGES EARLY THIS MORNING...MAINLY WEST OF A MANCHESTERIOWA TO FAIRFIELD IOWA LINE. SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS WILL BELESS THAN AN INCH. WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS
