[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit
on why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content."

If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind
of a major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are
concerned over statistics that show that the websites that get the most
"hits" are all about either searching for Other People's Content
(Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or "aggregating" Other People's
Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in
making money from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
doesn't need more search engines, this means that most of the "creative"
energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that actually
display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of
this fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and
regurgitate it. The only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is
in their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people to
click on them and thus register another "hit."

Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these
"content disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce
music or video), and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there
are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do*
provide a forum for content creators and pay them for it, but all you
have to do is look at the degradation of Huffpost over the last couple
of years to realize that their content articles are now the minority of
what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject lines are now
the majority. And because these sites are *businesses*, and trying to
make money, it is likely that this business model will prevail -- after
all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original content.

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this
phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had
their attention spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's
because they are just caught in their own narcissistic business model
and trolling for as many "hits" as they can rack up, and possibly it's
because they really can't think of anything original and creative to
say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any *original
content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the more
mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it.

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk
forums. Pay attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct
about this. *Most* of what you read on such forums consists of stories
about spiritual teachers or "saints" that in many cases the person
writing *never even met*, or regurgitated writings from so-called
"scriptures" or books written about (rarely by) these other teachers.
Occasionally someone posts a "personal experience story," but even then
the events being written about tend to be set far in the past -- people
write about some great experience they supposedly had twenty or thirty
years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher.

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a
daily basis.

Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these forums
don't *HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual experiences.
Almost as if.

Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was trying to
rap about the "high" that you can get from writing creatively, and in a
spiritual context. I was hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a
bit more of that kind of writing, if they had it in them. The lack of
response would seem to indicate that -- sadly -- most folks here *don't*
have it in them.

So I'll try again, as is my wont in a bit more in-your-face manner. :-)

What's up with having paid your "spiritual dues" for twenty to forty
years and *having nothing to say about your everyday spiritual life*?
Doesn't that strike you as more than a little SAD? Is the only source of
inspiration in your life stories from 20-30 years ago, or stories that
you read in some scripture or book about someone you never even *met*?

As for *arguing* about these things, give me a break. How can anyone
consider someone who never *met* a certain spiritual teacher
"authoritative" about what he or she taught? That's like believing you
can look something up on Wikipedia and be an "expert" about it.
Similarly, how can anyone criticize the few here who *do* write
creatively about their own experiences from time to time when *they
never have*.

The *priorities* on these spiritual forums sometimes dismay me. People
who tend to be narcissistic and wordy and who post a lot get considered
to be "authorities," when in reali

[FairfieldLife] Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[cardemaister]

Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa' according to Macdonell:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/12082596363/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/12082596363/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

So, in an interview of 33 minutes you find the rectal mention in 5 seconds the 
most interesting :-)

[FairfieldLife] Ringo Starr Honored With 'Lifetime of Peace and Love Award

[nablusoss1008]

By Gavin Edwards http://www.rollingstone.com/contributor/gavin-edwards
 January 21, 2014 10:10 AM ET

 For his 68th birthday last night, director David Lynch threw a party 
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/david-lynch-foundation-honoring-ringo-starr-with-tribute-concert-20140107
 for Ringo Starr http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/ringo-starr. More 
precisely, the David Lynch Foundation http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ for 
Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace gave Starr the not-made-up-at-all 
"Lifetime of Peace and Love Award." Which meant that Lynch's foundation wanted 
to honor the peace-loving Starr as a pioneer of transcendental meditation and 
promote their own good works in teaching meditation to school children and 
military veterans. Since those worthy notions were packaged with an all-star 
romp through some of Starr's catalog, the crowd at the El Rey Theatre in Los 
Angeles could go home feeling that every one of them had all they needed.
 See Ringo Starr's Lost Beatles Photo Album 
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/ringo-starrs-lost-beatles-photo-album-20131108
 Paul McCartney http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/paul-mccartney and 
Yoko Ono sent videos in which they declared their Ringo-love, while Lynch gave 
a short speech that began "In all the galaxies of peace and love, Ringo is a 
giant star" and ended with "Hurray for Ringo!" Starr took the stage and 
discussed his own history with transcendental meditation: in 1968, when the 
Beatles http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/the-beatles studied with the 
Maharishi, they became poster children for the movement. "He was so full of 
joy," Starr said of the Maharishi, "I said, 'I want some of that.'" Starr 
acknowledged that he had let his own practice lapse for months and sometimes 
years since then, but said that for the past four years, he had been meditating 
"364 days a year." Accepting the award – before handing it back to Lynch 
because it was too heavy – Starr peered into the audience and said that it was 
"great to see a lot of people I know out there. And three of them are 
meditating."
 The hour-long show had a stellar house band: Benmont Tench (Tom Petty and the 
Heartbreakers http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/tom-petty) on 
keyboards, Steve Lukather (Toto) and Peter Frampton on guitar, Kenny Aronoff 
(John Mellencamp's band) on drums, and Don Was on bass. Was, who also served as 
musical director, was sporting dark glasses, a beard, and a long scarf with 
orange tassels. He looked amused and louche throughout the whole show, as if he 
had stumbled onstage on his way to a somewhat more decadent party.
 See Photos of the Beatles' Amazing Career 
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/the-beatles-through-the-years-20091022
 The house band's starpower eclipsed that of some of the featured performers, 
such as Jesse Elliott and Lindsay Giles of Ark Life, who started the show with 
a bluesy version of "Can't Do It Wrong" (a deep cut from Starr's 2010 album Y 
Not). "Octopus's Garden" got a faithful version courtesy of three of the six 
members in the Head and the Heart (Josiah Johnson, Jonathan Russell, and 
Charity Rose Thielen – half the band showed up, but they never clarified 
whether they were the Head or the Heart.) Brendan Benson of the Raconteurs 
tackled "Don't Go Where the Road Don't Go (another deep cut, from 1992's Time 
Takes Time). Benson turned up the heat somewhat, meaning that he inspired Was 
to stand up.
 Soul legend Bettye LaVette announced "This is also my 50th year in show 
business – this is the best band I've ever had." After saying "I hope those 
aren't the lyrics, because I can't see 'em," she reprised her own cover of the 
Starr single "It Don't Come Easy." Slow, sultry, and powerful, it was the 
standout performance of the night. By the time LaVette was done, "we can make 
it work out better" sounded like the wisdom of the ancients.
 Check Out the 100 Greatest Beatles Songs 
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-beatles-songs-20110919
 Ben Folds, with an electric keyboard on a stand rather than his preferred 
grand piano, joked that he "wouldn't play an ironing board for anyone but 
Ringo." Then he did a killer version of "Oh My My," romping through Starr's 
boogie-woogie composition and attacking that keyboard with his elbow, to the 
visible amusement and pleasure of the house band. Ben Harper contributed a 
heartfelt take on "Walk With You" (also from Y Not). Then Joe Walsh came out 
and told the crowd that everything up to that point was "the quiet part" of the 
evening, and backed it up with a heavy metal version of "Back Off Boogaloo."
 Starr came back onstage for three songs. The first, "Photograph," was fine. 
Then he said, "I need to go play something on the drums, so you can see I can 
still hold the sticks," and delivered a thrilling, perfect version of "Boys" 
(the Shirelles B-side covered by the Beatles). Starr, who has been si

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[cardemaister]

 
 nanda m. joy, happiness, a son (as the chief object of joy); 
ananda mfn. joyless , cheerless ; (%{As}) m. pl.N. of a purgatory Up. [25,2]

aananda m. happiness , joy , enjoyment , sensual pleasure RV. AV. VS. R. Ragh. 
&c. ; m. and (%{am}) n. `" pure happiness "' , one of the three attributes of 
A1tman or Brahman in the Veda1nta philosophy Veda1ntas. &c.

So, what do youse think, how does the prefix 'aa' (A, a: , a_, â, á, etc.)
modify the meaning of 'nanda'?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Share Long]

turq, I woke up the other morning feeling extra grateful and actually thoughts 
running that enumerated for what: my comfy bed and warm room, the sunshine of 
the previous day, being alive, etc. I think of this as a spiritual experience. 
Hope you have a sweet afternoon and evening.





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
  
Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on why 
I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." 

If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over 
statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all about 
either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) 
or "aggregating" Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). 
Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and 
since the world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most 
of the "creative" energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that 
actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, 
and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of this 
fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and regurgitate it. The 
only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their Subject lines, 
which are carefully crafted to
 entice people to click on them and thus register another "hit." 

Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these "content 
disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there are some sites like 
Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content 
creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation 
of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their content 
articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with 
snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are 
*businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business model 
will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to 
redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original 
content. 

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are just 
caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many "hits" 
as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think of 
anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong 
lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like 
the more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something 
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it. 

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk forums. Pay 
attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this. *Most* 
of what you read on such forums consists of stories about spiritual teachers or 
"saints" that in many cases the person writing *never even met*, or 
regurgitated writings from so-called "scriptures" or books written about 
(rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally someone posts a "personal 
experience story," but even then the events being written about tend to be set 
far in the past -- people write about some great experience they supposedly had 
twenty or thirty years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher. 

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these forums don't 
*HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 

Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was trying to rap 
about the "high" that you can get from writing creatively, and in a spiritual 
context. I was hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of that 
kind of writing, if they had it in them. The lack of response would seem to 
indicate that -- sadly -- most folks here *don't* have it in them. 

So I'll try again, as is my wont in a bit more in-your-face manner. :-)

What's up with having paid your "spiritual dues" for twenty to forty years and 
*having nothing to say about your everyday spiritual life*? Doesn't that strike 
you as more than a little SAD? Is the only source of inspiration in your life 
stories from 20-30 years ago, or stories that you read in some scripture or 
book about someone you never even *met*? 

As for *arguing* about these things, give me a break. How can anyone consider 
someone who never *met* a certain spiritual teacher "authoritative" about what 
he or she taught

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: John Hagelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 01/14/2014

[Share Long]

thanks, Carde, this is a gem of knowledge I didn't know.





On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:36 PM, "cardemais...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
FWIW, Wikipedia:

Tamas is also a Guna or Quality that is much needed to counter Evil, as an 
example Bhairava Incarnation of Lord Shiva is a Tamasic Avatar, and Lord Shiva 
Himself out of the Trinity represents Tamas, where Shiva drinks the poison of 
his devotees to get rid of their sin, hence absorbing the Tamo-Guna of 
devotees, in Devi worship, there are many goddesses which incarnate within the 
Shakta sect of Hindusim where goddess are offered animal sacrifice.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, I woke up the other morning feeling extra grateful and actually
thoughts running that enumerated for what: my comfy bed and warm room,
the sunshine of the previous day, being alive, etc. I think of this as a
spiritual experience.

So do I, if it helps you appreciate that which you consider spiritual.

Some people seem to only consider flashy things -- or more accurately,
*claims* of flashy things made by other people, since they rarely seem
to have these experiences themselves -- as "spiritual experience." They
obsess about claims of "higher states of consciousness*, or about
supposed sidhis, or about tales they've heard of "saints" that of course
they've never met.

And, interestingly enough, when one actually asks them a simple question
like, "OK, all this is well and good and all, but tell me about YOUR
spiritual experiences...what have you felt or experience in the last
week that makes you feel you're on a spiritual path?" what you get is a
sudden and resounding silence. Expand the question to "the last month,"
and most of the time you still get silence. Expand it to "the last
year," or even to "the last decade," and you often *still* get silence.

Either that or you get what I call "spiritual misdirection." Ask about
how their spiritual path has increased *their* creativity, and they
start talking about *other* famous people on the same spiritual path
they're on. Ask about how it's increased *their* success, and they point
to *other*, more famous and successful people on the same spiritual
path. You know what I'm talking about. It happens here on FFL every time
someone starts pointing out that almost no one here displays much of any
creativity *themselves*, or has actually accomplished much in *their*
lives. Immediately, people start talking about Paul McCartney and David
Lynch and Russell Brand and other celebrities. Don't fall for it. It's
misdirection, used the same way a sleight of hand magician uses it. It's
supposed to derail the actual question you asked them, and make you and
lurkers forget that you asked it.

I rarely bother to ask such questions here any more, because I've seen
the misdirection dodge used so many times. On other spiritual forums, I
just ignore it and come back to the original question -- "What kind of
experiences have *YOU* had recently that you felt were spiritual?" or 
"What are some examples of increased creativity that *YOU* have
experienced recently?" or "What are some examples of *YOUR* recent
successes and accomplishments?"

So thanks for posting your feelings about what feels spiritual in your
day. It was honest, it didn't rely on appeals to flashiness, and it
didn't try to dodge the question or try to derail it via misdirection. I
suspect that yours will be one of the only honest answers we get.

> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@...
wrote:
>
> Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a
bit on why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content."
>
> If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught
wind of a major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many
are concerned over statistics that show that the websites that get the
most "hits" are all about either searching for Other People's Content
(Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or "aggregating" Other People's
Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in
making money from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
doesn't need more search engines, this means that most of the "creative"
energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that actually
display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of
this fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and
regurgitate it. The only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is
in their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to
>  entice people to click on them and thus register another "hit."
>
> Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these
"content disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce
music or video), and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there
are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do*
provide a forum for content creators and pay them for it, but all you
have to do is look at the degradation of Huffpost over the last couple
of years to realize that their content articles are now the minority of
what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject lines are now
the majority. And because these sites are *businesses*, and trying to
make money, it is likely that this business model will prevail -- after
all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original content.
>
> I'm rapping about this because I think ther

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Michael Jackson]

Yesterday I read your chapter called "Fun" from Road Trip Mind - felt more 
Energy than I had with any of the other chapters - felt at peace, felt like 
many of the disappointments from my TM days evaporated. Felt sort of like the 
Universe was having a totally content day through me. It was as near to total 
fulfillment as I have ever had. Got up off the couch after a while, went to see 
my daughter who had just gotten back from a church field trip to North Carolina 
- she, her mom and I spent the evening making and eating brownies, watching Dr. 
Who and the Big Bang Theory. As I left to come back home, I felt as good as I 
have ever felt. This isn't really conveying the real experience, but that's as 
close as I can come.

On Wed, 1/22/14, TurquoiseB  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual 
Experience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 8:21 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 Since no one followed up on this
 post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on why I suspect
 they didn't. It's all about "content." 
 
 If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably
 have caught wind of a major debate/discussion that's
 been taking place there. Many are concerned over statistics
 that show that the websites that get the most
 "hits" are all about either searching for Other
 People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or
 "aggregating" Other
 People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel,
 Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in making money
 from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
 doesn't need more search engines, this means that most
 of the "creative" energy of developers tends to
 get channeled into sites that actually display no
 creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
 news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take
 advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become
 celebrities and regurgitate it. The only real
 "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their
 Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people
 to click on them and thus register another "hit."
 
 
 Suffice it to say that there is a "class war"
 going on between these "content disseminators" and
 the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video),
 and thus become "content creators." To be honest,
 there are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few
 others that *do* provide a forum for content creators and
 pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the
 degradation of Huffpost over the last couple of years to
 realize that their content articles are now the minority of
 what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject
 lines are now the majority. And because these sites are
 *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that
 this business model will prevail -- after all, you don't
 have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
 article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original
 content. 
 
 I'm rapping about this because I think there is a
 parallel to this phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps
 it's because people have had their attention spans
 shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's
 because they are just caught in their own narcissistic
 business model and trolling for as many "hits" as
 they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really
 can't think of anything original and creative to say.
 Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any *original
 content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the
 more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people
 reposting something they found elsewhere, then arguing about
 it. 
 
 Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called
 "spiritual" talk forums. Pay attention sometime,
 and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this.
 *Most* of what you read on such forums consists of stories
 about spiritual teachers or "saints" that in many
 cases the person writing *never even met*, or regurgitated
 writings from so-called "scriptures" or books
 written about (rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally
 someone posts a "personal experience story," but
 even then the events being written about tend to be set far
 in the past -- people write about some great experience they
 supposedly had twenty or thirty years ago around some
 supposedly charismatic teacher. 
 
 But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences
 they have on a daily basis. 
 
 Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing
 to these forums don't *HAVE* any here-and-now,
 in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 
 
 Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was
 trying to rap about the "high" that you can get
 from writing creatively, and in a spiritual context. I was
 hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of
 that kind of wri

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Michael Jackson]

yeah, well since the rest of it was all about what a wowie zowie guy he is with 
women, the first 40 secs really reveals his true nature and about all the real 
substance he (and David Lynch) have to offer

On Wed, 1/22/14, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the 
lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 10:36 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   So, in an interview of 33 minutes you find the
 rectal mention in 5 seconds the most interesting :-)
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

"well since the rest of it was all about what a wowie zowie guy he is with 
women" 
 

 No it wasn't. Which shows that you didn't even bother to listen to the 
interview you commented on.
 

 Like the Americans say: "Go figure"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

[Jason]

>
>  Barry Wrote:
> But then AIDS came along. And suddenly the old fears came with them.
And the world changed again, but this time in a more restrictive, more
fearful direction.
>

---   wrote:
>
>  I think much of the fear around AIDS has faded away and I think a lot
of this has to do with the passage of time, the fact that there exist
more effective HIV drugs and because many "straight" people still think
of it as a gay disease. I think the "gay disease" opinion is the result
of not only ignorance but of  a 'holier-than-thou' attitude that these
people think will somehow keep them safe from contracting the HIV virus.
My observationis that the average person under the age of 30 really
doesn't think about AIDS as a real threat to them.
>

In the 1920's, a french scientist Serge Voronoff believed
that chimps were more virile and started taking tissue
strips from chimp testes and grafted them onto the testes of
men.

Some scientists say that this might have been the route HIV
took to enter into humans.

http://www.coastalpost.com/99/6/9.htm


This world is simply unpredictable and there is no telling
what unintended consequences might be.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/365287


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/365293

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Yesterday I read your chapter called "Fun" from Road Trip Mind - felt
more Energy than I had with any of the other chapters - felt at peace,
felt like many of the disappointments from my TM days evaporated. Felt
sort of like the Universe was having a totally content day through me.
It was as near to total fulfillment as I have ever had. Got up off the
couch after a while, went to see my daughter who had just gotten back
from a church field trip to North Carolina - she, her mom and I spent
the evening making and eating brownies, watching Dr. Who and the Big
Bang Theory. As I left to come back home, I felt as good as I have ever
felt. This isn't really conveying the real experience, but that's as
close as I can come.

It's *never* conveying the real experience, but it's what we can do.
Thanks for trying.

FYI, I do not include you as one of the people who never really talks
about your own experiences. I've thought that some of your stories --
including the ones about your family and your experiences at MUM -- have
been among the best ever posted here.

I guess I posted what I did today because I was missing Curtis, and some
other people who, in the past, have "raised the bar" of what posting on
this forum can be. Their stories were always "in the moment," and they
were almost told *for the joy of telling a good story*, not to curry
favor or impress anyone.

Compare and contrast to some here whose whole *lives* seem to be about
trying to impress people, while never having left their apartments to
have any adventures or experiences to report *on*. It's like a riff on
that olde "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach" routine. The FFL
equivalent seems to be "Those who have experiences, share them; those
who never have, try to fake them." We all intuitively know which is
which.

> 
> On Wed, 1/22/14, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
>  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS
Spiritual Experience
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 8:21 AM
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
>  Since no one followed up on this
>  post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on why I suspect
>  they didn't. It's all about "content."
>
>  If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably
>  have caught wind of a major debate/discussion that's
>  been taking place there. Many are concerned over statistics
>  that show that the websites that get the most
>  "hits" are all about either searching for Other
>  People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or
>  "aggregating" Other
>  People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel,
>  Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in making money
>  from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
>  doesn't need more search engines, this means that most
>  of the "creative" energy of developers tends to
>  get channeled into sites that actually display no
>  creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
>  news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take
>  advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become
>  celebrities and regurgitate it. The only real
>  "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their
>  Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people
>  to click on them and thus register another "hit."
>
>
>  Suffice it to say that there is a "class war"
>  going on between these "content disseminators" and
>  the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video),
>  and thus become "content creators." To be honest,
>  there are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few
>  others that *do* provide a forum for content creators and
>  pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the
>  degradation of Huffpost over the last couple of years to
>  realize that their content articles are now the minority of
>  what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject
>  lines are now the majority. And because these sites are
>  *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that
>  this business model will prevail -- after all, you don't
>  have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
>  article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original
>  content.
>
>  I'm rapping about this because I think there is a
>  parallel to this phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps
>  it's because people have had their attention spans
>  shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's
>  because they are just caught in their own narcissistic
>  business model and trolling for as many "hits" as
>  they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really
>  can't think of anything original and creative to say.
>  Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any *original
>  content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the
>  more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people
>  reposting something they f

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not been
refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd like
to cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves.

mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery ,
witchcraft magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition ib.
(esp. ibc= false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the 24
minor evil passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya with
Prakriti or Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the Vedanta,
regarded as the source of the visible universe.

Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche


On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent
> scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about - to put it
> quite plainly.
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

We are not getting much help from emptybill, or anyone else on the list,
for a definition of the Sanskrit term "maya" and what it meant for the
Shankara tradition of Advaita Vedanta, so it looks like it's up to me to
post the explanations. Maya is in fact, indescribable, a superimposition on
Brahman, the real. I'm pretty sure SBS didn't read Vivekananda's books or
writings so let's start with SBS on maya.

According to SBS, maya is a fact in that it is the appearance of phenomena.
Since Brahman is the only truth, maya is true but not the real truth, the
difference being that the truth is the truth forever while what is true is
only true for now. "Brahman is Light - it needs no other illumination to
reveal it."


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Share Long  wrote:

>
>
> Richard, this brings to mind one of my favorite passages from Maharishi's
> SBAL:
> ...identification is not bondage. What is bondage is inability to maintain
> Being along with identification while indulging in experience and activity.
> pg 238
>
>
>
>   On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:50 AM, Richard Williams <
> pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Share:
> > This brings to my mind Maharishi's teaching that knowledge is
> > different in different states of consciousness...
> >
> Things and events - phenomena - are not real, yet not unreal either. They
> are like an illusion in that they are not exactly as they appear to be, yet
> they are real in the sense that they are presented to us as illusion. So,
> it would not be correct to say that phenomena are unreal; they are simply
> dream-like because phenomena can't be known or experienced without an
> intermediary something - we call it 'consciousness'. We do not experience
> phenomenon directly, but through the lens of the senses, which change the
> objects of perception.
>
> Dreams are real because they are dreams. Something that is unreal is
> something that never existed, a figment of the imagination for example. But
> quite often people see with double vision simply because they have a mote
> in their eye, or they see the horns of a hare when in reality, there are no
> horns on a rabbit.
>
> "Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object
> exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside
> of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within
> consciousness" (GK IV 25-27).
>
> Work cited:
>
> 'Dispelling Illusion'
> Gaudapada's Alatasanti
> by Douglas A. Fox
> State University of New York Press, 1993
>
> Read more:
>
> 'Gaudapada'
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Share Long  wrote:
>
>
>  emptybill, thanks for your clarity here. This brings to my mind
> Maharishi's teaching that knowledge is different in different states of
> consciousness. Purusha Prakriti realization seems to be a GC experience to
> me whereas the experience of moksha as one's basic nature seems more like
> Unity.
>
> A friend is on a retreat where they are discussing three stages of
> Brahman: basic, refined and Wholeness or holiness. Mind boggling to me!
>
>
>
>   On Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:35 PM, "emptyb...@yahoo.com" <
> emptyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   A popular view of Advaita Vedanta (sometimes an accusation) is that it
> is Maya-vada ... the doctrine that everything is mere Maya.
>
> This is a classical misrepresentation that began with Ramanuja (11th
> Century head of the Sri Vaishnava-s) and continues down to today. Probably
> one reason for the misunderstanding is that different teachers presented
> alternate explanations of the Brahma Sutras. In essence, they held contrary
> preconceptions. Another reason is that discussions about the nature of Maya
> became continuous in debates between Advaita scholars. This led to the
> belief that “Maya talk” was the core of Advaita. The reality is that
> Advaita is more accurately call Brahma-vada, the teaching about Brahman. It
> uses the principal Upanishads, the Brahma Sutras and the Bhagavad Gita as a
> threefold authoritative Vedic source.
>
>  However, leading up to the 14th Century, the Yoga Sutras became an
> alternate source for understanding the *path* to realize Brahman. By the
> middle of the 14th-15th Century, this view so infiltrated Advaita Vedanta
> that the works of Shankaracharya Swami Vidyâranya (who wrote Pañchadâši and
> Jivanmuktiviveka) presumed that students of Advaita followed a yogic path
> to realize Brahman.
>
> The modern proponent of this view was Swami Vivekananda. MMY just
> continued that mode – which included the division of the Bhagavad Gita into
> three topical sections, a theme also found in Sri Aurobindo Ghose. Scholars
> now call this interpretation “Yogic Advaita” - an interpretation that is
> more about yoga and less about Advaita Vedanta.
>
>  Perhaps more perplexing for those studying Advaita, the concept of
> “enlightenment” (so over-popularized) was borrowed from the Buddhists – and
> is neither Yogic nor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

[Jason]

---  doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I think absent any social codes, the difference in sexual promiscuity
between males and females comes down to consequences. Prior to birth
control, if a female had sex with a male, she could be literally
burdened with offspring. Not so for the male. Add in the greater
physical strength of the male, and you have all the seeds for the
difference in attitudes.
> "The Pill" greatly eliminated the risk factor of pregnancy, for women,
and certainly in the West, physical strength is no longer a guarantee of
greater economic power. So attitudes are changing too. Regarding the
60's, I saw a lot of sexual expression, but also a lot of conventional
sex roles between men and women, simply dressed up in strange clothing
and fashion.
>

---   wrote:
>
> "Marriage is for women the commonest mode of livelihood, and the total
amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage
than in prostitution." - Bertrand Russell
>
>
>  The human race has emerged from prehistory and has developed its
culture for millennia but we're still confused about sex. I mean what
could be simpler? Boy meets girl. Then . . . well you know what.

>  Why is something as elementary and essential as the attraction
between the sexes still a battlefield and the source of constant
disputes (the "War of the Sexes")? I've sometimes wondered if the
problem is "equality" - the idea that men and women must be regarded as
equal in all respects. If we allow ourselves to generalise, men do
*seem* to be more promiscuous than women; women do *seem* to be looking
for a permanent partner. (Proof? Gay males have far more partners and
far more sex than straight men. Lesbians have far less sex than any
other group. Heterosexuals lie between those two figures.) This
difference was recognised in the Victorian period when a marriage
between a man and woman was assumed to be permanent (and divorces were
regarded as scandalous) but at the same time there was an army of
prostitutes to satisfy the novelty-seeking desires of the male
population. I don't have an answer to the discrepancy - I just think we
should look at the issue with wide-open eyes.

> Maybe it is just a result of women having being controlled by men for
centuries; men who had their supremacy recognised by law. Now that that
patriarchy is breaking down the differences between the sexual habits of
men and women *may* vanish completely. But I certainly don't rule out
the idea that such differences are rooted in biology.

>  There are some wonderful ironies here. Is putting women on a pedestal
(as happened in the 19th century with the "cult of the lady" an
acknowledgment of women's superiority (or at least equality) or is it a
cunning (probably subconscious) put down?

>  I've quoted Malcolm Muggeridge twice before on FFL. Here it is again:
"It's impossible to string together three consecutive sentences about
sex without making a complete hypocrite of yourself." This post must
make me guilty as charged. One thing is for sure: the sexual utopia
envisaged by the sixties revolutionaries has failed to materialise. On
the other hand the days when a woman could die from "sexual hysteria"
(it really did happen - see Ruskin's infatuation with Rose La Touche)
are long gone!
>


The difference in physical size in genders is called
dimorphism.  In gorrilas where male is almost twice the size
of the female, the male is highly polygamus.

In species where there is no dimorphism at all, ie male and
female look identical, the male is monogamus.

We humans are slightly dimorphic. So the human male has some
polygamic tendencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[emptybill]

I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between 
Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have also explained 
how and why Shankara refuted the same.
 

 You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you continue 
onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear as "Mr. 
Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was written 10-20 
years ago. 
 

 You simply waste my time. Therefore I don't want to waste more with your b.s. 
and your "it is all about Prof..Willy P-Dog". 
 

 This is apparently how you understand both Advaita and Trika: 

 "I am the Universe. It's all about Me. It's my Maya".

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not been 
refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd like to 
cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves. 

 mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery , witchcraft 
magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition ib. (esp. ibc= 
false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the 24 minor evil 
passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya with Prakriti or 
Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the Vedanta, regarded as the source 
of the visible universe.
 

 Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
 http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche 
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
 

 On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM, mailto:emptybill@...> wrote:
   All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent 
scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about - to put it quite 
plainly.
 
 
 
 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

Share:
> I've heard that when tamas guna dominates, maya is a covering over reality
>
Vedanta is all about how to "pierce the veil" of maya in order to know the
transcendent truth. Maya is a perception as fact - the appearance of
phenomena through the constituents of nature, the three gunas. In the field
of nature Brahman appears as God, the divine magical power of the Supreme
Goddess Saraswati. In Sri Vidya there is no difference between the bija
mantra and Saraswati herself.

According to Brooks, "The srividya, because it consists of "indestructible
seed" syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such "mundane"
considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra is not
merely esoteric but inherently superior. Because it is purely
seed-syllables [bijasaras] is the purest form of mantra. It does not make a
request or praise god, it is God's purest expression. Gayatri is great but
it cannot match srividya because it is still in language; it is Veda and
mantra but when transformed into the srividya its greatness increases."

"Only he who sees that all activities are performed by the body (field),
which is created of material nature, and sees that the Self (Knower of the
field) does nothing, sees aright" (B.G. 13, v 30).

Works cited:

"Auspicious Wisdon"
The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India.
by Douglas Renfrew Brooks
SUNY 1992
p. 95

'Bhagavad-Gita As It Is'
by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 13, Verse 30


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Share Long  wrote:

>
>
> Richard, I've heard that when tamas guna dominates, maya is a covering
> over reality; when rajo guna dominates, maya is a veil; but when sat guna
> dominates, maya is actually a means to ultimate reality.
> What do you think?
>
>
>   On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:40 AM, Richard Williams <
> pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > A popular view of Advaita Vedanta (sometimes an accusation)
> > is that it is Maya-vada...
> >
> Maybe you lost them, but you have to begin with a definition of the term
> "maya" - which I already posted: maya is neither real nor unreal, nor both,
> nor neither. Maya is not an illusion or something that is not real, because
> even an illusion is presented to us. Maya is actualy a superimposition on
> the real. So, maya is not real but not unreal. It's like a zen koan:
>
> Daibai asked Baso: `What is Buddha?'
>
> Baso said: `This mind is Buddha.'
>
> Mumon's Comment: If anyone wholly understands this, he is wearing Buddha's
> clothing, he is eating Buddha's food, he is speaking Buddha's words, he is
> behaving as Buddha, he is Buddha.
>
> This anecdote, however, has given many pupil the sickness of formality. If
> one truly understands, he will wash out his mouth for three days after
> saying the word Buddha, and he will close his ears and flee after hearing
> `This mind is Buddha.'
>
> Under blue sky, in bright sunlight,
> One need not search around.
> Asking what Buddha is
> Is like hiding loot in one's pocket and declaring oneself innocent.
>
> This Mind is Buddha:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/gateless-gate/30.html
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>   A popular view of Advaita Vedanta (sometimes an accusation) is that it
> is Maya-vada ... the doctrine that everything is mere Maya.
>
> This is a classical misrepresentation that began with Ramanuja (11th
> Century head of the Sri Vaishnava-s) and continues down to today. Probably
> one reason for the misunderstanding is that different teachers presented
> alternate explanations of the Brahma Sutras. In essence, they held contrary
> preconceptions. Another reason is that discussions about the nature of Maya
> became continuous in debates between Advaita scholars. This led to the
> belief that “Maya talk” was the core of Advaita. The reality is that
> Advaita is more accurately call Brahma-vada, the teaching about Brahman. It
> uses the principal Upanishads, the Brahma Sutras and the Bhagavad Gita as a
> threefold authoritative Vedic source.
>
> However, leading up to the 14th Century, the Yoga Sutras became an
> alternate source for understanding the *path* to realize Brahman. By the
> middle of the 14th-15th Century, this view so infiltrated Advaita Vedanta
> that the works of Shankaracharya Swami Vidyâranya (who wrote Pañchadâši and
> Jivanmuktiviveka) presumed that students of Advaita followed a yogic path
> to realize Brahman.
>
> The modern proponent of this view was Swami Vivekananda. MMY just
> continued that mode – which included the division of the Bhagavad Gita into
> three topical sections, a theme also found in Sri Aurobindo Ghose. Scholars
> now call this interpretation “Yogic Advaita” - an interpretation that is
> more about yoga and less about Advaita Vedanta.
>
>  Perhaps more perplexing for those studying Advaita, the concept of
> “enlightenment” (so over-popularized) was borrowed from the Buddhists – and
> is neither Yogic nor Vedantic. The Yoga Sutras, in fact

[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I
have also explained how and why Shankara refuted the same.
>
>  You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you
continue onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear
as "Mr. Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was
written 10-20 years ago.
>
>  You simply waste my time.

I know the feeling. :-)

We've all heard people repeating stuff they were told about Advaita, or
stuff they've thought up about it in their heads. If we spent any time
around the TM movement, we're pretty much sick to death of people
parroting dogma and repeating stuff they've read. It doesn't matter
*who* said it; where is the value if *you* didn't say it, from the
platform of personal experience, describing your *own* personal
experience?

So what does Advaita *feel* like? What's it like to experience it
personally? How does it manifest itself in your daily life? We'll
wait...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read this 
same rap from you?
 

 This may be way too intellectual for you to grasp, but it seems to me not 
having any spiritual experiences may not the only reason folks don't write 
about them here. It's also entirely possible some people don't write about them 
here because they don't want to.
 

 Put that in your nasty little pipe and smoke it. And if the posts on this 
forum aren't of interest to you, go find another forum. Stop trying to browbeat 
us into writing what you think we should be writing.
 

 (In any case, those of us who know you pretty well realize your main interest 
is not in getting people to write about their experiences, but to have an 
excuse to browbeat.)
 

 

 Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on 
why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." 

 
If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over 
statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all about 
either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) 
or "aggregating" Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). 
Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and 
since the world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most 
of the "creative" energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that 
actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, 
and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of this 
fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and regurgitate it. The 
only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their Subject lines, 
which are carefully crafted to entice people to click on them and thus register 
another "hit." 

Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these "content 
disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there are some sites like 
Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content 
creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation 
of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their content 
articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with 
snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are 
*businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business model 
will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to 
redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original 
content. 

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are just 
caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many "hits" 
as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think of 
anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong 
lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like 
the more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something 
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it. 

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk forums. Pay 
attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this. *Most* 
of what you read on such forums consists of stories about spiritual teachers or 
"saints" that in many cases the person writing *never even met*, or 
regurgitated writings from so-called "scriptures" or books written about 
(rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally someone posts a "personal 
experience story," but even then the events being written about tend to be set 
far in the past -- people write about some great experience they supposedly had 
twenty or thirty years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher. 

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these forums don't 
*HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 

Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was trying to rap 
about the "high" that you can get from writing creatively, and in a spiritual 
context. I was hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of that 
kind of writing, if they had it in them. The lack of response would seem to 
indicate that -- sadly -- most folks here *don't* have it in them. 

So I'll try again, as is my wont in a bit more in-your-face manner. :-)

What's up with having paid your "spiritual dues" for twenty to forty years and 
*having nothing to say about your everyda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on 
why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." 

If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over 
statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all about 
either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) 
or "aggregating" Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). 
Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and 
since the world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most 
of the "creative" energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that 
actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, 
and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of this 
fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and regurgitate it. The 
only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their Subject lines, 
which are carefully crafted to entice people to click on them and thus register 
another "hit." 

Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these "content 
disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there are some sites like 
Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content 
creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation 
of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their content 
articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with 
snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are 
*businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business model 
will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to 
redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original 
content. 

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are just 
caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many "hits" 
as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think of 
anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong 
lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like 
the more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something 
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it. 

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk forums. Pay 
attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this. *Most* 
of what you read on such forums consists of stories about spiritual teachers or 
"saints" that in many cases the person writing *never even met*, or 
regurgitated writings from so-called "scriptures" or books written about 
(rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally someone posts a "personal 
experience story," but even then the events being written about tend to be set 
far in the past -- people write about some great experience they supposedly had 
twenty or thirty years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher. 

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these forums don't 
*HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual experiences. Almost as if. 

Why I wrote the post this one is a followup to is that I was trying to rap 
about the "high" that you can get from writing creatively, and in a spiritual 
context. I was hoping to maybe inspire others on FFL to do a bit more of that 
kind of writing, if they had it in them. The lack of response would seem to 
indicate that -- sadly -- most folks here *don't* have it in them. 

So I'll try again, as is my wont in a bit more in-your-face manner. :-)

What's up with having paid your "spiritual dues" for twenty to forty years and 
*having nothing to say about your everyday spiritual life*? Doesn't that strike 
you as more than a little SAD? Is the only source of inspiration in your life 
stories from 20-30 years ago, or stories that you read in some scripture or 
book about someone you never even *met*? 

As for *arguing* about these things, give me a break. How can anyone consider 
someone who never *met* a certain spiritual teacher "authoritative" about what 
he or she taught? That's like believing you can look something up on Wikipedia 
and be an "expert" about it. Similarly, how can anyone criticize the few here 
who *do* write creatively about their own experiences from time to time when 
*they never have*. 

The *priorities* on these spiritual forums sometimes dismay

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

> I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
between
> Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism...
>
You cited zero Vedantic scholars in the synopsis in this thread. And, you
failed to cite any common ideas between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada
Buddhism. And, you even failed to define the Sanskrit term "maya". Everyone
knows that the term maya means different things when used in the Vedas, the
Upanishads, in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Mahayana and in Shankara;s
Advaita.

Judging by the number of comments posted to this thread it looks like
nobody is very interested in the classical Advaita Vedanta's meaning of the
term "maya" or it's relationship to Mahayana Buddhism. Go figure.

That's probably because TM practice is based on the tantras and on yoga and
not on the meaning of the term maya used in Shankara's Advaita Vedanta. SBS
was a Sri Vidya proponent - that's the interesting point I'm trying to
make. TMers want to know tantra, about what works for daily living, not
read about some dry metaphysical explanations of why Brahman created maya -
the latter is the business of monks, not common householders. Even the
illusory nature of maya is an is itself an illusion. Go figure.

The question is, why did the sannyasins of the Shankara Tradition go over
to the worship of Shakti as the Supreme Transcendental absolute?

Apparently you are not very familiar with Bhaskara, the famous Sri Vidya
scholar who wrote the commentary on Shankara's Soundaryalahari. According
to Dasgupta, "He [Bhaskara] speaks in very strong terms against the
commentator [Shankara] who holds the maya doctrine and is a Buddhist in his
views. But, though he was opposed to Shankara, it was only so far as
Shankara had introduced the maya doctrine, and only so far as he thought
the world had sprung forth not as a real modification of Brahman, but only
through maya."

And, you don't seem to be very familiar with Swami Laksmanjoo's comments on
Kashmere Tantrism. The term "maya" and it's meaning in Advaita Vedanta is
not the same as the meaning in Sri Vidya and in Kashmere Trika. Kashmere
Tantrism is idealistic non-dualism. The question is, how did the Shankara
tradition come to include the Kashmere tantras?

The idea of maya or illusion is in fact of Buddhist Mahayana origin. "In
the Tibetan Dzogchen tradition the perceived reality is considered
literally unreal, in that objects which make-up perceived reality are known
as objects within ones mind, and that, as we conceive them, there is no
pre-determined object, or assembly of objects in isolation from experience
that may be considered the "true" object, or objects."

Works cited:

'A History of Indian Philosophy'
by Surendranath Dasgupta
Cambridge University Press, 1955
p. 1

Maya (illusion):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29#Mahayana


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:25 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
> between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have also
> explained how and why Shankara refuted the same.
>
>
> You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you
> continue onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear as
> "Mr. Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was written
> 10-20 years ago.
>
>
> You simply waste my time. Therefore I don't want to waste more with your
> b.s. and your "it is all about Prof..Willy P-Dog".
>
>
> This is apparently how you understand both Advaita and Trika:
>
> "I am the Universe. It's all about Me. It's my Maya".
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not been
> refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd like
> to cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves.
>
> mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery ,
> witchcraft magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition ib.
> (esp. ibc= false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the 24
> minor evil passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya with
> Prakriti or Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the Vedanta,
> regarded as the source of the visible universe.
>
> Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
> http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>
> All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent
> scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about - to put it
> quite plainly.
>
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Share Long]

Richard, I am interested. And admit that the Vedic aphorism: Brahman says, "My 
indestructible maya" completely resonates with me and acts as a koan for me, 
letting my whatever settle to deeper fathoms. But sometimes I enjoy your back 
and forth with emptybill about it. Otherwise, I don't have much to say about it.





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 AM, Richard Williams  
wrote:
 
  
> I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between
> Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism...
>
You cited zero Vedantic scholars in the synopsis in this thread. And, you 
failed to cite any common ideas between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada 
Buddhism. And, you even failed to define the Sanskrit term "maya". Everyone 
knows that the term maya means different things when used in the Vedas, the 
Upanishads, in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Mahayana and in Shankara;s Advaita.   

Judging by the number of comments posted to this thread it looks like nobody is 
very interested in the classical Advaita Vedanta's meaning of the term "maya" 
or it's relationship to Mahayana Buddhism. Go figure.

That's probably because TM practice is based on the tantras and on yoga and not 
on the meaning of the term maya used in Shankara's Advaita Vedanta. SBS was a 
Sri Vidya proponent - that's the interesting point I'm trying to make. TMers 
want to know tantra, about what works for daily living, not read about some dry 
metaphysical explanations of why Brahman created maya - the latter is the 
business of monks, not common householders. Even the illusory nature of maya is 
an is itself an illusion. Go figure.

The question is, why did the sannyasins of the Shankara Tradition go over to 
the worship of Shakti as the Supreme Transcendental absolute? 

Apparently you are not very familiar with Bhaskara, the famous Sri Vidya 
scholar who wrote the commentary on Shankara's Soundaryalahari. According to 
Dasgupta, "He [Bhaskara] speaks in very strong terms against the commentator 
[Shankara] who holds the maya doctrine and is a Buddhist in his views. But, 
though he was opposed to Shankara, it was only so far as Shankara had 
introduced the maya doctrine, and only so far as he thought the world had 
sprung forth not as a real modification of Brahman, but only through maya." 

And, you don't seem to be very familiar with Swami Laksmanjoo's comments on 
Kashmere Tantrism. The term "maya" and it's meaning in Advaita Vedanta is not 
the same as the meaning in Sri Vidya and in Kashmere Trika. Kashmere Tantrism 
is idealistic non-dualism. The question is, how did the Shankara tradition come 
to include the Kashmere tantras?


The idea of maya or illusion is in fact of Buddhist Mahayana origin. "In the 
Tibetan Dzogchen tradition the perceived reality is considered literally 
unreal, in that objects which make-up perceived reality are known as objects 
within ones mind, and that, as we conceive them, there is no pre-determined 
object, or assembly of objects in isolation from experience that may be 
considered the "true" object, or objects." 

Works cited:

'A History of Indian Philosophy'
by Surendranath Dasgupta 
Cambridge University Press, 1955
p. 1

Maya (illusion):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29#Mahayana



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:25 AM,  wrote:

 
>  
>I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between 
>Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have also explained 
>how and why Shankara refuted the same.
>
>
>You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you continue 
>onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear as "Mr. 
>Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was written 10-20 
>years ago. 
>
>
>You simply waste my time. Therefore I don't want to waste more with your b.s. 
>and your "it is all about Prof..Willy P-Dog". 
>
>
>This is apparently how you understand both Advaita and Trika: 
>
>"I am the Universe. It's all about Me. It's my Maya".
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not been 
>refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd like to 
>cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves.
>
>
>mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery , witchcraft 
>magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition ib. (esp. ibc= 
>false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the 24 minor evil 
>passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya with Prakriti or 
>Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the Vedanta, regarded as the 
>source of the visible universe.
>
>
>Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
>http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>>All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent 
>>>scholars. You simply don't know what yo

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014  10:54:30 -0500
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:  [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's "Are you on the 
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com





Well, obviously there is virtue and there is  vice and there are our 
spiritual practices of discipline to free the soul of  the indentations of the 
subtle system created of vice. Some people are  brought up badly. Fortunate 
though are those whom have good teachers who  know better and can give 
spiritual help to others. Service to others is the  great virtue as it undoes 
vice. 
Seek good company. Do good. Come to a group  transcending meditation near 
you. So says the science.  

"The whole purpose of life is to  gain enlightenment. Nothing else is
significant compared to that completely  natural, exalted state of 
consciousness.
So always strive for that. Set  your life around that goal. Don't get 
caught up
in small things, and then  it will be yours." Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Richard Williams]

Well, I figure MJ was mostly interested in the first part. It's so
refreshing to read a post by a common guy like MJ on obscure sex acts and
not commenting on some pseudo-scholarly report about Shankara's Advaita
Vedanta and the meaning of the term maya. LoL!


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:30 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

>
>
> "well since the rest of it was all about what a wowie zowie guy he is with
> women"
>
>
> No it wasn't. Which shows that you didn't even bother to listen to the
> interview you commented on.
>
>
> Like the Americans say: "Go figure"
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to
read this same rap from you?

Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)

She knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the
players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and
well (she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try,
because that will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides,
she's afraid to compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY,
not "win."

Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get no
personal experience stories from her, for what should be obvious
reasons. The person who tries to present herself as an "authority" here
1) never met Maharishi, 2) never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit
for the TM organization or to spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever
left her tiny apartment in New Jersey and thus 4) has nothing to write
about, 5) if she were able to.

In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of an angry old
woman, lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own life in the
pursuit of pettiness.

Others here probably have stories of their actual experiences, because
they had some. I look forward to hearing them...

>  Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a
bit on why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content."
>
>
> If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught
wind of a major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many
are concerned over statistics that show that the websites that get the
most "hits" are all about either searching for Other People's Content
(Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) or "aggregating" Other People's
Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in
making money from the Web is number of hits, and since the world really
doesn't need more search engines, this means that most of the "creative"
energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that actually
display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, and
news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of
this fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and
regurgitate it. The only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is
in their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people to
click on them and thus register another "hit."
>
> Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these
"content disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce
music or video), and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there
are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do*
provide a forum for content creators and pay them for it, but all you
have to do is look at the degradation of Huffpost over the last couple
of years to realize that their content articles are now the minority of
what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy Subject lines are now
the majority. And because these sites are *businesses*, and trying to
make money, it is likely that this business model will prevail -- after
all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to redistribute an
article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original content.
>
> I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this
phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had
their attention spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's
because they are just caught in their own narcissistic business model
and trolling for as many "hits" as they can rack up, and possibly it's
because they really can't think of anything original and creative to
say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any *original
content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the more
mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it.
>
> Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk
forums. Pay attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct
about this. *Most* of what you read on such forums consists of stories
about spiritual teachers or "saints" that in many cases the person
writing *never even met*, or regurgitated writings from so-called
"scriptures" or books written about (rarely by) these other teachers.
Occasionally someone posts a "personal experience story," but even then
the events being written about tend to be set far in the past -- people
write about some great experience they supposedly had twenty or thirty
years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher.
>
> But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on
a daily basis.
>
> Go figure. It's almost as if most of the people writing to these
forums don't *HAVE* any here-and-now, in-the-present spiritual
experiences. Almost as if.
>
> Why I wrote the post this one is a followup

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

[Richard Williams]

> > Well, it looks like it's settled then: MJ and the TurqoiseB
> > were the real True Believers, whose religion was TM -  - the
> > only apostates left on the forum. It looks like nobody else
> > on FFL ever considered TM to be their religion. You can't
> > be apostate from something you don't believe in. Go
> > figure.
> >
MJ:
> you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess
> back in the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
>
So, it looks like it's settled then: MJ and Barry both thought of TM as
their religion. They both were disappointed when they realized that it's a
real stretch to make a simple relaxation technique into a religion. MJ and
Barry have said that TM is a religion, so they must believe that to be
true. The question is: why did it take Barry fourteen years to realize that
he was making TM his religion, and it took MJ only a couple of years to
figure this out? Go figure.

Anything you do can be turned into a religion - L. Ron Hubbard made
"Diantics" into a religion, based on the fact that people just feel better
when they have someone to talk to.


On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

>
>
> you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in
> the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
> 
> On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams  wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
> To: "Richard J. Williams" 
> Date: Sunday, January 19, 2014, 3:55 AM
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> Share:> What I reject is the idea that
> we are defective in our core, by
> > our very nature. I guess
> that makes me apostate!>
> Well, it looks like
> it's settled then: MJ and the TurqoiseB were the real
> True Believers, whose religion was TM -  - the only
> apostates left on the forum. It looks like nobody else on
> FFL ever considered TM to be their religion. You can't
> be apostate from something you don't believe in. Go
> figure.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014
> at 8:14 PM, Share Long 
> wrote:
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> Judy, once again I
> think it is a matter of language choice. I would say that I
> need to fully realize my fundamental unity with the divine,
> with all of creation. Rather than that I stand in need of
> redemption. For me, each of these wordings has its own
> flavor or tone. I prefer the former wording for various
> reasons. It may not be how the Church would say it. But I
> believe it is closer to how Jesus would express it.
>
>
> I recognize that all of us humans need to grow. What I
> reject is the idea that we are defective in our core, by our
> very nature. I guess that makes me apostate!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January
> 18, 2014 5:21 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com"
> 
> wrote:
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> And I never said you should believe it. Why
> are you repeating yourself?
>
> If you don't think you stand in need of redemption,
> that's fine with me.
> << Judy, true you said
> Christianity but my personal experience is with Catholicism.
> I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are
> defective by nature and I don't believe that Jesus
> taught that. >>
>
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> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:50 PM,
> "authfriend@..."  wrote:
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> I do believe I said "Christianity,"
> not "Catholicism," Share. I'm astonished you
> weren't aware that it's Christian doctrine across
> the board. As I said, if we weren't defective,
> there'd have been no need for God to send Jesus to
> redeem us and make us acceptable in God's
> sight.
>
> I'm not saying you or
> anybody else should believe this. It was just an aside, a
> reminder that this is what Christianity says.
>
>
> The story about the pope and the Portuguese fishing
> industry is apocryphal, BTW. Days of penitence, including
> the practice of abstaining from meat, had been established
> long before there was a Portuguese fishing industry
> important enough for a pope to be concerned about.
>
>
> << Judy, this
> is where I part company with Catholicism, the belief that
> people are defective at their core. I don't
> think this is a healthy belief and I doubt that Jesus
> taught it.
>
>
> I left the Church when they said it was no longer a mortal
> sin to eat meat on Friday. I realized how arbitrary their
> rules are. Later I heard that some Pope made that rule to
> help the Portuguese fishing industry! >>
>
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> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:51 PM,
> "authfriend@..." 
> wrote:
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> Did you not read
> what I wrote, Share? The distinction in terms of words is
> arbitrary. Shame isn't inherently toxic, and
> guilt isn't inherently healthy. You
> can redefine the words all you want, but all you're
> saying is that one shouldn't feel that one is
> fundamentally wrong, bad, defective (or at least no more so
> than anybody else--it's a basic doctrine of
> Christianity, of course, that everyone is fundamentally
> wrong, bad, and de

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard J. Williams]

On 1/22/2014 8:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/We've all heard people repeating stuff they were told about Advaita, 
or stuff they've thought up about it in their heads. If we spent any 
time around the TM movement, we're pretty much sick to death of people 
parroting dogma and repeating stuff they've read. /*

>
So, the question is: in what TM Center or MMY lecture did you hear 
anyone talking about Advaita?


In fact, Shankara's Advaita wasn't even mentioned in my TM intro 
lecture. There are only two informants on this list that have even 
discussed at any length anything about Shankara's Advaita Vedanta: Edg, 
Richard and emptybill, in the past ten years. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard J. Williams]

On 1/22/2014 8:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/So what does Advaita *feel* like? What's it like to experience it 
personally? How does it manifest itself in your daily life? We'll 
wait.../*

>
We are anxiously awaiting your post telling us what it *felt* like 
personally composing your little treatise on Advaita posted today. We 
are waiting...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Barry carefully deleted the rest of what I wrote because it panicked him. I 
pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual experiences but simply 
not want to write about them on this forum. A bit of logic that interferes with 
his pronouncements throws Barry for a loop.
 

 Some experiences are just too delicate and personal to share, for one thing. 
For another, not everyone thinks they're defined by their spiritual 
experiences. Others don't feel the need to inflate their self-image by boasting 
about how evolved they are.
 

 In any case, Barry reveals below what he really thinks: Not only is writing 
about spiritual experiences a competition in his mind, but such writing is 
subject to actual criticism. No wonder folks don't want to buy into that 
perverted view of spirituality.
 

 BTW, everything Barry says about me below is factually incorrect, except for 
my not having met Maharishi and not having become a TM teacher (as if that 
would say anything about my spiritual experiences).
 

 I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others' spiritual 
experiences, he's interested in having something with which to browbeat the 
people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap he's hauled out 
so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments demonstrate).
 

 > Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read this 
 > same rap from you? 

 Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)

She knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the 
players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and well 
(she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try, because that 
will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides, she's afraid to 
compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not "win." 

Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get no personal 
experience stories from her, for what should be obvious reasons. The person who 
tries to present herself as an "authority" here 1) never met Maharishi, 2) 
never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for the TM organization or to 
spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her tiny apartment in New Jersey 
and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if she were able to. 

In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of an angry old woman, 
lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own life in the pursuit of 
pettiness.

Others here probably have stories of their actual experiences, because they had 
some. I look forward to hearing them... 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

Share:
> Otherwise, I don't have much to say about it.
>
According to Barry, Advaita is all you people talk about up there at the TM
center. But, I don't think Jerry Jarvis would approve of talking about
Advaita in any TM introductory lecture. From what I've read, MMY didn't
even mention Advaita very much in his lectures, especially concerning the
illusory aspect of maya. Go figure.

In Indian philosophy Mahamaya is the direct cause of the experience of the
world. To reiterate: In Advaita Vedanta maya is the cause of the appearance
of the material world - it is true in the relative sense, but "untrue" in
the absolute sense. Thus maya is real, not unreal, an appearance only, not
the transcendental Brahman itself. The goal of TM spiritual practice is the
*isolation* of the Purusha from the prakriti and the knowledge and ability
to distinguish between them by the experience of Pure Consciousness.

According to the Adi Shankara, maya is just like the metaphor of the wet
dream, where one dreams of copulating with a tantric sexual partner.
Although one may perceive the ejaculate on bedclothes as real, upon waking
everyone knows that the lovemaking was not true and that the conjugation
was illusory.

"For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of
Gaandharvas - an illusion." - Gaudapadacharya

Work cited:

'Gaudapada'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Share Long  wrote:

>
>
> Richard, I am interested. And admit that the Vedic aphorism: Brahman says,
> "My indestructible maya" completely resonates with me and acts as a koan
> for me, letting my whatever settle to deeper fathoms. But sometimes I enjoy
> your back and forth with emptybill about it. Otherwise, I don't have much
> to say about it.
>
>
>
>
>   On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 AM, Richard Williams <
> pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
> between
> > Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism...
> >
> You cited zero Vedantic scholars in the synopsis in this thread. And, you
> failed to cite any common ideas between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada
> Buddhism. And, you even failed to define the Sanskrit term "maya". Everyone
> knows that the term maya means different things when used in the Vedas, the
> Upanishads, in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Mahayana and in Shankara;s
> Advaita.
>
> Judging by the number of comments posted to this thread it looks like
> nobody is very interested in the classical Advaita Vedanta's meaning of the
> term "maya" or it's relationship to Mahayana Buddhism. Go figure.
>
> That's probably because TM practice is based on the tantras and on yoga
> and not on the meaning of the term maya used in Shankara's Advaita Vedanta.
> SBS was a Sri Vidya proponent - that's the interesting point I'm trying to
> make. TMers want to know tantra, about what works for daily living, not
> read about some dry metaphysical explanations of why Brahman created maya -
> the latter is the business of monks, not common householders. Even the
> illusory nature of maya is an is itself an illusion. Go figure.
>
> The question is, why did the sannyasins of the Shankara Tradition go over
> to the worship of Shakti as the Supreme Transcendental absolute?
>
> Apparently you are not very familiar with Bhaskara, the famous Sri Vidya
> scholar who wrote the commentary on Shankara's Soundaryalahari. According
> to Dasgupta, "He [Bhaskara] speaks in very strong terms against the
> commentator [Shankara] who holds the maya doctrine and is a Buddhist in his
> views. But, though he was opposed to Shankara, it was only so far as
> Shankara had introduced the maya doctrine, and only so far as he thought
> the world had sprung forth not as a real modification of Brahman, but only
> through maya."
>
> And, you don't seem to be very familiar with Swami Laksmanjoo's comments
> on Kashmere Tantrism. The term "maya" and it's meaning in Advaita Vedanta
> is not the same as the meaning in Sri Vidya and in Kashmere Trika. Kashmere
> Tantrism is idealistic non-dualism. The question is, how did the Shankara
> tradition come to include the Kashmere tantras?
>
> The idea of maya or illusion is in fact of Buddhist Mahayana origin. "In
> the Tibetan Dzogchen tradition the perceived reality is considered
> literally unreal, in that objects which make-up perceived reality are known
> as objects within ones mind, and that, as we conceive them, there is no
> pre-determined object, or assembly of objects in isolation from experience
> that may be considered the "true" object, or objects."
>
> Works cited:
>
> 'A History of Indian Philosophy'
> by Surendranath Dasgupta
> Cambridge University Press, 1955
> p. 1
>
> Maya (illusion):
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29#Mahayana
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:25 AM,  wrote:
>
>
>  I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
> between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Bu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Richard Williams]

Judy:
> I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual
> experiences but simply not want to write about them on this
> forum.
>
Let's see, how many times did I ask Barry about what it felt like to
witness Rama's levitation event? That would surely be an earth-shaking
spiritual experience! Instead, Barry writes about French cafes and posts
comments about other people's spiritual experiences. Go figure.

Sometimes I wonder what Barry's spiritual experiences, if any, were really
like, or even if he has thought about them much. Why would a non-believer
even want to talk about a "spiritual" path or "spiritual" experience in the
first place? Didn't Barry used to say that these unusual events were just
common everyday experiences, no big deal, a big whoop?


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> Barry carefully deleted the rest of what I wrote because it panicked him.
> I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual experiences but
> simply not want to write about them on this forum. A bit of logic that
> interferes with his pronouncements throws Barry for a loop.
>
>
> Some experiences are just too delicate and personal to share, for one
> thing. For another, not everyone thinks they're defined by their spiritual
> experiences. Others don't feel the need to inflate their self-image by
> boasting about how evolved they are.
>
>
> In any case, Barry reveals below what he really thinks: Not only is
> writing about spiritual experiences a competition in his mind, but such
> writing is subject to actual criticism. No wonder folks don't want to buy
> into that perverted view of spirituality.
>
>
> BTW, everything Barry says about me below is factually incorrect, except
> for my not having met Maharishi and not having become a TM teacher (as if
> that would say anything about my spiritual experiences).
>
>
> I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others'
> spiritual experiences, he's interested in having something with which to
> browbeat the people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap
> he's hauled out so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments
> demonstrate).
>
> > Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read
> this same rap from you?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)She
> knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the
> players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and
> well (she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try,
> because that will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides,
> she's afraid to compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not
> "win." Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get
> no personal experience stories from her, for what should be obvious
> reasons. The person who tries to present herself as an "authority" here 1)
> never met Maharishi, 2) never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for
> the TM organization or to spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her
> tiny apartment in New Jersey and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if
> she were able to. In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of
> an angry old woman, lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own
> life in the pursuit of pettiness.Others here probably have stories of their
> actual experiences, because they had some. I look forward to hearing
> them... *
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Michael Jackson]

I don't pretend to know a damn thing about all the esoteric ancient Indian 
mumbo jumbo which as I said in a previous post I believe to be the legacy of a 
bunch of guys who hung out in the forests and jungles cuz they didn't want to 
do any real work, had a lot of wild things happen with their eyes closed and 
told everyone who came to see them - "See, this! What I experience is real 
reality, not that carp y'all are doin' out there, so that proves Y'ALL are the 
ones who are screwd up, not me!"

But I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one, and Brand certainly fits 
that bill. But he like David Lynch are PERFECT spokespersons for the TMO - as 
in do what I say, believe what I say, not what I do.

On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, 
the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
 To: "Richard J. Williams" 
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 3:47 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Well, I figure MJ was mostly
 interested in the first part. It's so refreshing to read
 a post by a common guy like MJ on obscure sex acts and not
 commenting on some pseudo-scholarly report about
 Shankara's Advaita Vedanta and the meaning of the term
 maya. LoL!
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014
 at 7:30 AM, nablusoss1008 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   "well
 since the rest of it was all about what a wowie zowie guy he
 is with women" 
 No it wasn't. Which shows that you
 didn't even bother to listen to the interview you
 commented on.
 
 Like the Americans say: "Go
 figure"
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Share Long]

Richard, you say: The goal of TM spiritual practice is the *isolation* of the 
Purusha from the prakriti and the knowledge and ability to distinguish between 
them 
by the experience of Pure Consciousness. 

I agree with this. However, I think the TMSP has a very different goal, the 
goal of retaining that discernment and at the same time, experiencing the 
simultaneity of Purusha and Prakriti.

In this I'm extrapolating from my own experience and my memory of what 
Maharishi has explained, explanations I heard a very long time ago!





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:01 AM, Richard Williams 
 wrote:
 
  
Share:
> Otherwise, I don't have much to say about it.
>
According to Barry, Advaita is all you people talk about up there at the TM 
center. But, I don't think Jerry Jarvis would approve of talking about Advaita 
in any TM introductory lecture. From what I've read, MMY didn't even mention 
Advaita very much in his lectures, especially concerning the illusory aspect of 
maya. Go figure.

In Indian philosophy Mahamaya is the direct cause of the experience of the 
world. To reiterate: In Advaita Vedanta maya is the cause of the appearance of 
the material world - it is true in the relative sense, but "untrue" in the 
absolute sense. Thus maya is real, not unreal, an appearance only, not the 
transcendental Brahman itself. The goal of TM spiritual practice is the 
*isolation* of the Purusha from the prakriti and the knowledge and ability to 
distinguish between them by the experience of Pure Consciousness. 

According to the Adi Shankara, maya is just like the metaphor of the wet dream, 
where one dreams of copulating with a tantric sexual partner. Although one may 
perceive the ejaculate on bedclothes as real, upon waking everyone knows that 
the lovemaking was not true and that the conjugation was illusory.

"For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas 
- an illusion." - Gaudapadacharya

Work cited:

'Gaudapada' 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Share Long  wrote:

 
>  
>Richard, I am interested. And admit that the Vedic aphorism: Brahman says, "My 
>indestructible maya" completely resonates with me and acts as a koan for me, 
>letting my whatever settle to deeper fathoms. But sometimes I enjoy your back 
>and forth with emptybill about it. Otherwise, I don't have much to say about 
>it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:30 AM, Richard Williams 
> wrote:
> 
>  
>> I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between
>> Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism...
>>
>You cited zero Vedantic scholars in the synopsis in this thread. And, you 
>failed to cite any common ideas between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada 
>Buddhism. And, you even failed to define the Sanskrit term "maya". Everyone 
>knows that the term maya means different things when used in the Vedas, the 
>Upanishads, in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Mahayana and in Shankara;s Advaita.   
>
>
>Judging by the number of comments posted to this thread it looks like nobody 
>is very interested in the classical Advaita Vedanta's meaning of the term 
>"maya" or it's relationship to Mahayana Buddhism. Go figure.
>
>
>That's probably because TM practice is based on the tantras and on yoga and 
>not on the meaning of the term maya used in Shankara's Advaita Vedanta. SBS 
>was a Sri Vidya proponent - that's the interesting point I'm trying to make. 
>TMers want to know tantra, about what works for daily living, not read about 
>some dry metaphysical explanations of why Brahman created maya - the latter is 
>the business of monks, not common householders. Even the illusory nature of 
>maya is an is itself an illusion. Go figure.
>
>
>The question is, why did the sannyasins of the Shankara Tradition go over to 
>the worship of Shakti as the Supreme Transcendental absolute? 
>
>
>Apparently you are not very familiar with Bhaskara, the famous Sri Vidya 
>scholar who wrote the commentary on Shankara's Soundaryalahari. According to 
>Dasgupta, "He [Bhaskara] speaks in very strong terms against the commentator 
>[Shankara] who holds the maya doctrine and is a Buddhist in his views. But, 
>though he was opposed to Shankara, it was only so far as Shankara had 
>introduced the maya doctrine, and only so far as he thought the world had 
>sprung forth not as a real modification of Brahman, but only through maya." 
>
>
>And, you don't seem to be very familiar with Swami Laksmanjoo's comments on 
>Kashmere Tantrism. The term "maya" and it's meaning in Advaita Vedanta is not 
>the same as the meaning in Sri Vidya and in Kashmere Trika. Kashmere Tantrism 
>is idealistic non-dualism. The question is, how did the Shankara tradition 
>come to include the Kashmere tantras?
>
>
>
>The idea of maya or illusion is in fact of Buddhist Mahayana origin. "In the 
>Tibetan Dzogchen tradition the perceived reality is considered literally 
>unreal, in that objects whi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Bhairitu]

On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


*/But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have 
on a daily basis. /*




Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about them?

Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk 
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local 
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Richard Williams]

TurquoiseB:
> was trying to rap about the "high" that you can get from
> writing creatively, and in a spiritual context...
>
You are going to have to excuse me, Barry, but I must have missed most of
your "spiritual" writings. Maybe that's because most of the topics you
write about are secular in nature - they don't have anything to do with
seeing or experiencing spirit beings. Unless, you want to be saying that
like Delia, your spiritual path includes everything in the cosmos,
everything that happens on earth - a pantheistic notion. Go figure.

So,let's review what we know about the first historical yogin and his
spiritual experience, and then I'll describe my own.

The Shakya is reported to have said: "I call to mind how when the Sakyan my
father was ploughing, I sat in the cool shade of the rose-apple tree,
remote from desires and ill conditions, and entered upon and abode in the
First Musing, that is accompanied by thought directed and sustained, which
is born of solitude, full of zestful ease. And then I said, 'Is this the
Way to the Wisdom?' And on that occasion there came to me the conciousness
that follows thought composed, 'Yes, this is the Way to the Wisdom.'" (M.N.
i.242-1)

This is illustrated in the Buddhist scriptures where the Buddha explained
what he had attained at the moment of enlightenment - he attained three
knowledges (vidhya):

1. Insight into his past lives
2. Insight into the workings of Karma and Reincarnation
3. Insight into the Four Noble Truths

Excerpt from The Confessions by Richard J. Williams:

"As I began to transcend deeper and deeper into my own mind I experienced a
profound sense of calm; then suddenly in a flash I saw and experienced the
entire existence as a divine bi-unity - all inter-related, just like the
net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all connected. I became
enlightened on the spot through no volition of my own! There, standing
right in front of me, appeared the Intelligent Agent: The Creator Almighty,
Lord of Volcanoes - and His wife, the beautiful Sophia, their son Baal, and
their daughter Ashley. I fully realized at that moment that existence is,
in reality, a great big family affair - we are all related in spirit!"


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit
> on why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." If you worked in
> the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a major
> debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over
> statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all
> about either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu,
> Wikipedia) or "aggregating" *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). Since the name
> of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and since the
> world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most of the
> "creative" energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that
> actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts,
> gossip, and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take
> advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and
> regurgitate it. The only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is in
> their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people to click
> on them and thus register another "hit." Suffice it to say that there is a
> "class war" going on between these "content disseminators" and the people
> who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), and thus become "content
> creators." To be honest, there are some sites like Huffpost, Salon, Slate,
> and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content creators and pay
> them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation of Huffpost
> over the last couple of years to realize that their content articles are
> now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with snappy
> Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are
> *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business
> model will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of
> anything to redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to
> create original content. I'm rapping about this because I think there is a
> parallel to this phenomenon on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because
> people have had their attention spans shortened from reading so much fluff,
> perhaps it's because they are just caught in their own narcissistic
> business model and trolling for as many "hits" as they can rack up, and
> possibly it's because they really can't think of anything original and
> creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong lack of any
> *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like the more
> mainstream content aggregator sites

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy:
 > I pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual 
 > experiences but simply not want to write about them on this 
 > forum.
 >
 Let's see, how many times did I ask Barry about what it felt like to witness 
Rama's levitation event? That would surely be an earth-shaking spiritual 
experience! Instead, Barry writes about French cafes and posts comments about 
other people's spiritual experiences. Go figure.
 

 Sometimes I wonder what Barry's spiritual experiences, if any, were really 
like, or even if he has thought about them much. Why would a non-believer even 
want to talk about a "spiritual" path or "spiritual" experience in the first 
place? Didn't Barry used to say that these unusual events were just common 
everyday experiences, no big deal, a big whoop?
 

 One could spend days and weeks finding holes in what Barry tries to pass for 
logic. The guy is so contradictory, such a hypocrite that finding flaws in what 
he tries to pass off as creative and interesting writing is like shooting fish 
in a barrel - the only difference is that fish are smarter.
 

 But nice job with your post here, Ricky. You managed to bring up a couple of 
relevant inconsistencies. Bawwy won't take kindly to you having pointed these 
out.
 

 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, mailto:authfriend@...> wrote:
   Barry carefully deleted the rest of what I wrote because it panicked him. I 
pointed out that some folks may have plenty of spiritual experiences but simply 
not want to write about them on this forum. A bit of logic that interferes with 
his pronouncements throws Barry for a loop.
 

 Some experiences are just too delicate and personal to share, for one thing. 
For another, not everyone thinks they're defined by their spiritual 
experiences. Others don't feel the need to inflate their self-image by boasting 
about how evolved they are.
 

 In any case, Barry reveals below what he really thinks: Not only is writing 
about spiritual experiences a competition in his mind, but such writing is 
subject to actual criticism. No wonder folks don't want to buy into that 
perverted view of spirituality.
 

 BTW, everything Barry says about me below is factually incorrect, except for 
my not having met Maharishi and not having become a TM teacher (as if that 
would say anything about my spiritual experiences).
 

 I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others' spiritual 
experiences, he's interested in having something with which to browbeat the 
people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap he's hauled out 
so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments demonstrate).
 

 > Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read this 
 > same rap from you? 

 Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)

She knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the 
players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and well 
(she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try, because that 
will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides, she's afraid to 
compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not "win." 
 
Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get no personal 
experience stories from her, for what should be obvious reasons. The person who 
tries to present herself as an "authority" here 1) never met Maharishi, 2) 
never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for the TM organization or to 
spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her tiny apartment in New Jersey 
and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if she were able to. 
 
In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of an angry old woman, 
lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own life in the pursuit of 
pettiness.

Others here probably have stories of their actual experiences, because they had 
some. I look forward to hearing them... 
 
 


 
 
 
 





 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[martyboi]

A = not
 AA = not not or,  definitely not  as in quite the opposite of unhappy etc.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Richard Williams]

MJ:
> I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one
>
Well, fer sure Russell Brand getting Katy Perry or Howard Stern getting a
million dollars for a radio show can't begin to compare to any of your
accomplishments! LoL!


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

>
>
> I don't pretend to know a damn thing about all the esoteric ancient Indian
> mumbo jumbo which as I said in a previous post I believe to be the legacy
> of a bunch of guys who hung out in the forests and jungles cuz they didn't
> want to do any real work, had a lot of wild things happen with their eyes
> closed and told everyone who came to see them - "See, this! What I
> experience is real reality, not that carp y'all are doin' out there, so
> that proves Y'ALL are the ones who are screwd up, not me!"
>
> But I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one, and Brand certainly
> fits that bill. But he like David Lynch are PERFECT spokespersons for the
> TMO - as in do what I say, believe what I say, not what I do.
> 
> On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams  wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with
> rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
> To: "Richard J. Williams" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 3:47 PM
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[dhamiltony2k5]

Dear Turqb; I often find the process in composing of the short non-fiction 
spiritual essay to be very spiritual contemplative transcendentalism in 
exercise; cultivating of Rishi, Devata, and Chandas values of the whole 
spiritual field within the human form having thoughts and feelings rise out of 
the 'source of thoughts' motivated by the will and soul on consciousness pure. 
But alas, generally people with substantial spiritual experience do not write 
here because they've seen the way that illumination gets cut off at the knees 
here on FFL by skeptical meditation-haters or the down-in-the-mouth quitters. 
In Fairfield, Ia. there are illumined folks all over the place and in 
conversation about [ fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com ] (FFL) as a place there seems an 
illumined viewership consensus remarking about the needless antagonisms that 
some people pull here as aggressive unkind personal attack bent to do damage to 
energy fields of others here rather than just discussing what is written. Too 
often that vileness is quite bad. Sinful really. That is a type of spiritual 
sin that some seem to perpetrate here in method. Probably a character flaw of 
bad upbringing or some bad physiology. So for a lot of really nice illumined 
people there is just Not point in throwing pearls before swine for all the 
needless trouble swine can cause to the sheaths of subtle energetics of 
spirituality otherwise. -Buck 
 TurquoiseB writes: 
 
 Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on 
why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." 

If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned over 
statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all about 
either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Wikipedia) 
or "aggregating" Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, Reddit, Digg). 
Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is number of hits, and 
since the world really doesn't need more search engines, this means that most 
of the "creative" energy of developers tends to get channeled into sites that 
actually display no creativity. All that they do is aggregate facts, gossip, 
and news factoids about celebrities or those who want to take advantage of this 
fascination with the ephemeral to become celebrities and regurgitate it. The 
only real "creativity" displayed by these sites is in their Subject lines, 
which are carefully crafted to entice people to click on them and thus register 
another "hit." 

Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these "content 
disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there are some sites like 
Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for content 
creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the degradation 
of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their content 
articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff articles with 
snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these sites are 
*businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this business model 
will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much of anything to 
redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to create original 
content. 

I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are just 
caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many "hits" 
as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think of 
anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a strong 
lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily -- like 
the more mainstream content aggregator sites -- of people reposting something 
they found elsewhere, then arguing about it. 

Nowhere do you see this more than in the so-called "spiritual" talk forums. Pay 
attention sometime, and see for yourself whether I'm correct about this. *Most* 
of what you read on such forums consists of stories about spiritual teachers or 
"saints" that in many cases the person writing *never even met*, or 
regurgitated writings from so-called "scriptures" or books written about 
(rarely by) these other teachers. Occasionally someone posts a "personal 
experience story," but even then the events being written about tend to be set 
far in the past -- people write about some great experience they supposedly had 
twenty or thirty years ago around some supposedly charismatic teacher. 

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 

Go figur

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
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> Jesus, Barry, CHANGE THE DAMN RECORD. How many times do we have to read this 
> same rap from you? 

 Pay attention, folks. This is the sound of someone panicking. :-)
 

 Reaaay. It sounds more like someone who is tired of watching you repeat 
yourself. She sounds bored and annoyed, hardly freaked out.

She knows that she cannot compete on a spiritual playground in which the 
players have to talk about their personal experience (she has none), and well 
(she can't write worth a damn, and is actually *afraid* to try, because that 
will open her up to criticism she cannot abide). Besides, she's afraid to 
compete on a playground in which the goal is to PLAY, not "win." 
 

 "Spiritual playground" - does it have swings and monkey bars? BTW, if Judy 
can't "abide criticism" what is she still doing here after all these years? You 
woulda thunk she woulda left a long time ago if that was the case. But then 
thunking is not your strong suit, Bawwy.

Expect more of her stuck-in-her-head BS, folks. You ain't gonna get no personal 
experience stories from her, for what should be obvious reasons.
 

 Reason 1: they ain't none of your damn beeswax, Bawwy, that's why. D-uh.
 

  The person who tries to present herself as an "authority" here 1) never met 
Maharishi, 2) never became a TM teacher, 3) never did shit for the TM 
organization or to spread its teachings, 3) has rarely ever left her tiny 
apartment in New Jersey and thus 4) has nothing to write about, 5) if she were 
able to. 

In other words, expect more of the same -- the venom of an angry old woman, 
lashing out at the world because *she* wasted her own life in the pursuit of 
pettiness.
 

 I love these examples of your: "I'm an angry old man, lashing out at the world 
because I wasted my own life in the pursuit of pettiness (and, evidently, still 
continue to do so at this very moment)." Are you really this dense, Bawwy, with 
so little self knowledge?

Others here probably have stories of their actual experiences, because they had 
some. I look forward to hearing them... 
 

 Sure you do. People are just lined up to tell you their deepest experiences, 
just give them a little time...

 > Since no one followed up on this post, I guess I will, and comment a bit on 
 > why I suspect they didn't. It's all about "content." 
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> If you worked in the world of Internet, you'd probably have caught wind of a 
> major debate/discussion that's been taking place there. Many are concerned 
> over statistics that show that the websites that get the most "hits" are all 
> about either searching for Other People's Content (Google, Yahoo, Baidu, 
> Wikipedia) or "aggregating" Other People's Content (Upworthy, Jezebel, 
> Reddit, Digg). Since the name of the game in making money from the Web is 
> number of hits, and since the world really doesn't need more search engines, 
> this means that most of the "creative" energy of developers tends to get 
> channeled into sites that actually display no creativity. All that they do is 
> aggregate facts, gossip, and news factoids about celebrities or those who 
> want to take advantage of this fascination with the ephemeral to become 
> celebrities and regurgitate it. The only real "creativity" displayed by these 
> sites is in their Subject lines, which are carefully crafted to entice people 
> to click on them and thus register another "hit." 
> 
> Suffice it to say that there is a "class war" going on between these "content 
> disseminators" and the people who actually WRITE (or produce music or video), 
> and thus become "content creators." To be honest, there are some sites like 
> Huffpost, Salon, Slate, and a few others that *do* provide a forum for 
> content creators and pay them for it, but all you have to do is look at the 
> degradation of Huffpost over the last couple of years to realize that their 
> content articles are now the minority of what they post, and the fluff 
> articles with snappy Subject lines are now the majority. And because these 
> sites are *businesses*, and trying to make money, it is likely that this 
> business model will prevail -- after all, you don't have to pay anybody much 
> of anything to redistribute an article, and you *do* have to pay someone to 
> create original content. 
> 
> I'm rapping about this because I think there is a parallel to this phenomenon 
> on Internet talk forums. Perhaps it's because people have had their attention 
> spans shortened from reading so much fluff, perhaps it's because they are 
> just caught in their own narcissistic business model and trolling for as many 
> "hits" as they can rack up, and possibly it's because they really can't think 
> of anything original and creative to say. Whatever the reason, there is a 
> strong lack of any *original content* on these forums. They consist primarily 
> -- like the more mainstream content aggregator sit

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Richard Williams]

MJ:
> I don't pretend to know a damn thing about all the esoteric ancient
> Indian mumbo jumbo which as I said in a previous post I believe to be
> the legacy of a bunch of guys who hung out in the forests and jungles
> cuz they didn't want to do any real work...
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Yeah, but you sure did get a lot of "high energy" from reading all about
Barry in his book about being with Rama. Maybe you're spending all this
time reading about ancient Indian "mumbo jumbo" that you don't want to get
out and do some real work. LoL!


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

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> mumbo jumbo which as I said in a previous post I believe to be the legacy
> of a bunch of guys who hung out in the forests and jungles cuz they didn't
> want to do any real work, had a lot of wild things happen with their eyes
> closed and told everyone who came to see them - "See, this! What I
> experience is real reality, not that carp y'all are doin' out there, so
> that proves Y'ALL are the ones who are screwd up, not me!"
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> fits that bill. But he like David Lynch are PERFECT spokespersons for the
> TMO - as in do what I say, believe what I say, not what I do.
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> On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams  wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Jason]

Emptybill, there was a two way, crossflow of influence between
Hinduism and Buddhism, for thousands of years. Thus there
are some similarities.

According to Nagarjuna of the Mahayana school, Nothing can
arise independently on its own. Everything arose
co-dependently along with you. Therefore, the phenomenal
world around has no independent existence of it's own. So
they are empty (sunyata), not real.

Nagarjuna in Mulamadhyamaka karika, understands the world's
transient and impermanent nature to mean that nothing has
its own essence or independent existence. Everything is
'empty' (sunyata), in so far as it depends on other things
in order to exist. For example, a table can only be said to
exist in so far as four pieces of wood are connected to a
base. If the legs are taken off, it is no longer a table.
Therefore, it has no independent existence.

A candle is burning because it is lit. It's not that
lighting the candle caused it to burn, but rather that the
candle's burning is the result of the condition of it being
lit. Likewise, the candle is burning because it is made out
of wax. The "candle is burning" because of a number of
different conditions which together allow us to understand
it in this way.


In the Mandukya Karika, Gaudapada's commentary on the
Mandukya Upanishad,  Brahman cannot undergo any alteration.
The Brahman is unchanging, (changeless). If no change can
happen in the Brahman, nothing can arise from Brahman. Thus,
the phenomenal world around has no underlying cause.
Therefore it is not real, it's maya.

There is no real origination or destruction, only apparent
origination or destruction. From the level of ultimate truth
(paramarthata) the phenomenal world is Maya.

  Ajatavada is proved by the reasoning that anything that has
  a beginning must have an end. Anything that has no
  beginning, has no end either. The consciousness therefore,
  is only reality, but appears as objects like a burning
  stick swung about appears to be continuous.


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between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I
have also explained how and why Shankara refuted the same.
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>  You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you
continue onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear
as "Mr. Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was
written 10-20 years ago.
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>  You simply waste my time. Therefore I don't want to waste more with
your b.s. and your "it is all about Prof..Willy P-Dog".
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>  > There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not
been refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources
you'd like to cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves.
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> >  mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery ,
witchcraft magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition
ib. (esp. ibc= false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of
the 24 minor evil passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya
with Prakriti or Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the
Vedanta, regarded as the source of the visible universe.
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>  > Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
>  > http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
> > http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
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> > >  On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM,  wrote:
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> > >All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by
excellent scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about -
to put it quite plainly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Michael Jackson]

what you may fail to understand and something Barry has written about is that 
small everyday things can sometimes spark the greatest experiences in 
consciousness - just because a lot of FFLifers don't like Barry doesn't mean 
one cannot experience some aspect of a wider reality from reading some of the 
stuff he writes. All of us have things that create sparks for us that light the 
inner fire - its different for everyone. For some reason, some of Barry's 
writing does that for me, and I have to reason to not speak up about it - I am 
glad he wrote what he wrote and I am grateful for the on-going experiences. 

For my part, the whole experience of reading what he wrote about what he saw 
and experienced and what he thought of those experiences reminds me I am 
connected to something greater than my perceived ego. For him to have sat in 
Santa Fe or some hotel or desert decades ago and had experiences which I read 
here and now and it sparks a golden glow within me leads me to feel that there 
is something worthwhile in the universe that I occasionally stumble upon, so I 
keep looking and keep on messing around here on earth. His writing also reminds 
me that enlightenment, if it exists, is right inside me already. 

On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, 
the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
 To: "Richard J. Williams" 
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 5:41 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   MJ:> I don't
 pretend to know a damn thing about all the esoteric
 ancient > Indian mumbo jumbo which as I said
 in a previous post I believe to be > the
 legacy of a bunch of guys who hung out in the forests and
 jungles 
 > cuz they didn't want to do any real
 work...>Yeah, but you sure did get
 a lot of "high energy" from reading all about
 Barry in his book about being with Rama. Maybe you're
 spending all this time reading about ancient Indian
 "mumbo jumbo" that you don't want to get out
 and do some real work. LoL!
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at
 10:41 AM, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   I don't pretend to know a damn thing about all
 the esoteric ancient Indian mumbo jumbo which as I said in a
 previous post I believe to be the legacy of a bunch of guys
 who hung out in the forests and jungles cuz they didn't
 want to do any real work, had a lot of wild things happen
 with their eyes closed and told everyone who came to see
 them - "See, this! What I experience is real reality,
 not that carp y'all are doin' out there, so that
 proves Y'ALL are the ones who are screwd up, not
 me!"
 
 
 
 
 But I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one, and
 Brand certainly fits that bill. But he like David Lynch are
 PERFECT spokespersons for the TMO - as in do what I say,
 believe what I say, not what I do.
 
 
 
 On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2
 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and
 Transcendental Meditation
 
  To: "Richard J. Williams" 
 
  Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 3:47 PM
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
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 read
 
  a post by a common guy like MJ on obscure sex acts and not
 
  commenting on some pseudo-scholarly report about
 
  Shankara's Advaita Vedanta and the meaning of the term
 
  maya. LoL!
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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 he
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Michael Jackson]

If I have to become like Stern or Brand to be wealthy, I am happy to remain a 
man of modest means

On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, 
the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
 To: "Richard J. Williams" 
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 5:36 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   MJ:> I do know a
 complete ass when I see and hear
 one>Well, fer sure Russell Brand
 getting Katy Perry or Howard Stern getting a million dollars
 for a radio show can't begin to compare to any of your
 accomplishments! LoL!
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014
 at 10:41 AM, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   I don't pretend to know a damn thing about all
 the esoteric ancient Indian mumbo jumbo which as I said in a
 previous post I believe to be the legacy of a bunch of guys
 who hung out in the forests and jungles cuz they didn't
 want to do any real work, had a lot of wild things happen
 with their eyes closed and told everyone who came to see
 them - "See, this! What I experience is real reality,
 not that carp y'all are doin' out there, so that
 proves Y'ALL are the ones who are screwd up, not
 me!"
 
 
 
 
 But I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one, and
 Brand certainly fits that bill. But he like David Lynch are
 PERFECT spokespersons for the TMO - as in do what I say,
 believe what I say, not what I do.
 
 
 
 On Wed, 1/22/14, Richard Williams 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2
 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and
 Transcendental Meditation
 
  To: "Richard J. Williams" 
 
  Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 3:47 PM
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
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>  I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others'
spiritual experiences, he's interested in having something with which to
browbeat the people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same
rap he's hauled out so many times before. That's all this is (as his
comments demonstrate).

Barry reiterates what he said earlier. Judy is too terrified to ever
even *try* to write creatively, because she hasn't got an ounce of
either creativity *or* writing talent in her. She writes like an old,
repressed schoolmarm, and let's face it...who would want to hear what
she has to say about *being* an old, repressed schoolmarm?  :-)

Here's an idea for a story for you, Jude. Why don't you write about what
it was like to "take the TM checker training" course, presumably so that
you could "argue better" in your endless, petty arguments on the
Internet, and then *never check anyone's meditation*. Surely there's a
story or two in *that*.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Happy Happy 12 January

[dhamiltony2k5]

12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day.
 

 It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the 
direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, 
happiness, and progress.
 
 It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and 
experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy 
participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 -Maharishi
 
 
 12 January 1975

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > */But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have
> > on a daily basis. /*
>
> Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about
them?
>
> Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

Interestingly, teachers in the past have never shirked from the
basically impossible task of trying to express silence. Some have done
it quite eloquently, like the Zen masters and poets of Japan, who
managed to turn the subjective experience of silence into high art.

> Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
> about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
> political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..

Perhaps they'd rather not even try, out of fear of not being able to
convey their experience in a way that could touch another human being
and possibly inspire them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

It more looks like you got so excited when Russel Brand was talking about 
rectal activities that you simply skipped the rest of the interview. 
 

 Which btw. was about a nice variety of interesting topics all of which you 
missed because you got stuck in the rectal stuff. 
 There's a word for that in the "indian mumbo jumbo" too :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Happy Happy 12 January

[dhamiltony2k5]

As early as,
 
 
 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 
 
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day.
 

 It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the 
direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, 
happiness, and progress.
 
 It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and 
experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy 
participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 -Maharishi
 
 
 12 January 1975

[FairfieldLife] On the premiere episode of Success without Stress, Bob Roth sat down with all-time comedian Jerry Seinfeld

[nablusoss1008]

 Jerry Seinfeld on ‘Night Guy’ vs. ‘Morning Guy’ 
http://blog.siriusxm.com/2014/01/21/jerry-seinfeld-on-night-guy-vs-morning-guy/
 

 
http://blog.siriusxm.com/2014/01/21/jerry-seinfeld-on-night-guy-vs-morning-guy/ 
http://blog.siriusxm.com/2014/01/21/jerry-seinfeld-on-night-guy-vs-morning-guy/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> Dear Turqb; I often find the process in composing of the short
non-fiction spiritual essay to be very spiritual contemplative
transcendentalism in exercise; cultivating of Rishi, Devata, and Chandas
values of the whole spiritual field within the human form having
thoughts and feelings rise out of the 'source of thoughts' motivated by
the will and soul on consciousness pure.

I see. You prefer to write about stuck-in-your-head intellectualisms
about other people's experience. No problem. I was just trying to sort
out who was who here on FFL.

If you can't describe how these things felt to you, I reserve the right
to believe you've never experienced how these things feel. Like many
here, you've only "heard about" them.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

"Well, I figure MJ was mostly interested in the first part. 
 It's so refreshing to read a post by a common guy like MJ on obscure sex acts 
and not commenting on some pseudo-scholarly report about Shankara's Advaita 
Vedanta and the meaning of the term maya. LoL"
 

 Funny and true :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

This is about the level of Barry's mental functioning these days: I took 
checker training at least a decade before I got on the Internet in 1994. Boy, 
that's some foresight I had, isn't it?
 

 (And I never checked anybody because I never got certified; something, can't 
remember what, got in the way of my attending the certification appointments, 
as I've said here a number of times. Gee, not much of a story in that, is 
there?)
 

 The rest of Barry's post is just more of his poisonous drivel, proving my 
point about the real purpose of his "spiritual experiences" rant: to give him a 
chance to demonize the folks he doesn't like.
 

 You'd think, with all his vaunted creativity, he could at least think up a 
different rant instead of one he's used over and over for that same purpose.
 

 BTW, Barry, how's your novel about the Cathars coming along?

 > I reiterate what I said earlier: Barry isn't interested in others' spiritual 
 > experiences, he's interested in having something with which to browbeat the 
 > people he doesn't like--even though he has to use the same rap he's hauled 
 > out so many times before. That's all this is (as his comments demonstrate). 

 Barry reiterates what he said earlier. Judy is too terrified to ever even 
*try* to write creatively, because she hasn't got an ounce of either creativity 
*or* writing talent in her. She writes like an old, repressed schoolmarm, and 
let's face it...who would want to hear what she has to say about *being* an 
old, repressed schoolmarm?  :-)

Here's an idea for a story for you, Jude. Why don't you write about what it was 
like to "take the TM checker training" course, presumably so that you could 
"argue better" in your endless, petty arguments on the Internet, and then 
*never check anyone's meditation*. Surely there's a story or two in *that*.  
:-)  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

This is one of the main reasons folks don't want to write about their spiritual 
experiences on FFL:
 

 I see. You prefer to write about stuck-in-your-head intellectualisms about 
other people's experience. No problem. I was just trying to sort out who was 
who here on FFL.

 

 As I pointed out, for Barry, it's a competition with winners and losers. Share 
is a loser, as far as Barry is concerned.
 
If you can't describe how these things felt to you, I reserve the right to 
believe you've never experienced how these things feel. Like many here, you've 
only "heard about" them. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> And I never checked anybody because I never got certified; something,
can't remember what, got in the way of my attending the certification
appointments, as I've said here a number of times. Gee, not much of a
story in that, is there?

Gee, could it be anything like the excuses you've trotted out here and
on a.m.t. over the years for never becoming a TM teacher, and never
having been enough of a seeker to ever get yourself into a room with the
person you consider your spiritual teacher?

No *wonder* you have no stories to tell. You always found ways to make
up excuses to keep from having them.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
> This is one of the main reasons folks don't want to write about their
spiritual experiences on FFL:

Please note that Judy carefully snipped what I was replying to, which I
think most people would recognize as stuck-in-one's-head
intellectualisms about other people's experience.

I repeat the word "panic." She's now *desperate* to try to keep anyone
else from actually expressing any of their real, personal spiritual
experiences here, because she knows that she'd never be able to.

>  > I see. You prefer to write about stuck-in-your-head
intellectualisms about other people's experience. No problem. I was just
trying to sort out who was who here on FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

He can't stop himself now. He has a real shitload of hatred and resentment he 
has to let loose. So spiritual, isn't he? (Notice he can't bring himself to 
acknowledge the incredibly stupid whopper in his previous post.)
 

 You didn't answer my question about your Cathar novel either, Barry. I'm sure 
there are really, really excellent reasons why we haven't seen that between 
covers yet. How long has it been now since that was the reason for your moving 
to France?
 

 > And I never checked anybody because I never got certified; something, can't 
 > remember what, got in the way of my attending the certification 
 > appointments, as I've said here a number of times. Gee, not much of a story 
 > in that, is there?
 
 Gee, could it be anything like the excuses you've trotted out here and on 
a.m.t. over the years for never becoming a TM teacher, and never having been 
enough of a seeker to ever get yourself into a room with the person you 
consider your spiritual teacher?  

No *wonder* you have no stories to tell. You always found ways to make up 
excuses to keep from having them.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Actually Share's post was about her own experience of writing spiritual essays. 
And she might have been willing to try to describe how it "felt" to her if you 
hadn't immediately and very nastily stepped on her (not even having read what 
she wrote carefully enough to see what she was talking about).
 

 Thank you, Barry, for continuing to demonstrate the truth of my point about 
why you started this discussion. Hey, don't stop now. I'm sure you have quite a 
bit of bile left to get rid of.
 
 > This is one of the main reasons folks don't want to write about their 
 > spiritual experiences on FFL: 

 Please note that Judy carefully snipped what I was replying to, which I think 
most people would recognize as stuck-in-one's-head intellectualisms about other 
people's experience. 

I repeat the word "panic." She's now *desperate* to try to keep anyone else 
from actually expressing any of their real, personal spiritual experiences 
here, because she knows that she'd never be able to. 

 > > I see. You prefer to write about stuck-in-your-head intellectualisms about 
 > > other people's experience. No problem. I was just trying to sort out who 
 > > was who here on FFL. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  pos...@poseur.com wrote:
>
> He has a real shitload of hatred and resentment he has to let loose.

Projection, honey-bunch. I'm just enjoying watching you squirm. :-)

*I*, after all, am not the person who has been unmasked as the person
with the *least* actual spiritual experience of anyone on this forum.
That's you.

Let's face it...even Ann, Ravi, and Emily (two of whom never even
learned TM) had more going for them than you did. They at least got to
meet and interact with the teachers they claimed to be "studying with."

Come to think of it, all of them had occasional stories to tell as well.
That kinda leaves you as one of the only people on the forum who never
has. Doesn't it ever *bother* you being the biggest poseur on the forum?
:-)

[FairfieldLife] Considering the Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in Systems

[dhamiltony2k5]

As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing 
Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime 
decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, 
and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 
'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 As early as,
 
 
 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 
 
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the whole nation by devoting only fifteen minutes of their time twice a day.
 

 It is in the hands of a few individuals in every country today to change the 
direction of time and guide the destiny of their nation for all harmony, 
happiness, and progress.
 
 It is my joy to invite everyone to come in the light of the knowledge and 
experience that the Science of Creative Intelligence provides and enjoy 
participating in this global awakening to herald the Age of Enlightenment.
 
 
 -Maharishi
 
 
 12 January 1975
 

 Om

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Barry, sweetie-poops, I've actually written quite a bit here about my spiritual 
experiences. You're the guy who's squirming because I unmasked your pose of 
being interested in such experiences (with a lot of inadvertent help from you, 
actually). You can't un-post your, er, contributions to this thread, 
unfortunately.
 

 But as I say, keep going, by all means. The more people see of your hypocrisy 
and hatred, the better.
 

 > He has a real shitload of hatred and resentment he has to let loose. 

 Projection, honey-bunch. I'm just enjoying watching you squirm. :-)

*I*, after all, am not the person who has been unmasked as the person with the 
*least* actual spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. That's you. 

Let's face it...even Ann, Ravi, and Emily (two of whom never even learned TM) 
had more going for them than you did. They at least got to meet and interact 
with the teachers they claimed to be "studying with." 

Come to think of it, all of them had occasional stories to tell as well. That 
kinda leaves you as one of the only people on the forum who never has. Doesn't 
it ever *bother* you being the biggest poseur on the forum?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[cardemaister]

 Well, I'd say the relationship between 'a' and 'aa' is *almost* like
 that between English 'uh' (~ a) and 'are' (~aa). I.e., 'aa' seems to
 be by no means "derived" from 'a'...
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 A = not
 AA = not not or,  definitely not  as in quite the opposite of unhappy etc.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Bhairitu]

On 01/22/2014 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > */But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have
> > on a daily basis. /*
>
> Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag 
about them?

>
> Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

*/Interestingly, teachers in the past have never shirked from the 
basically impossible task of trying to express silence. Some have done 
it quite eloquently, like the Zen masters and poets of Japan, who 
managed to turn the subjective experience of silence into high art.

/*



/*Silence is silence.  A number of folks have posted on FFL about 
experiencing silence in activity.  No big deal.  Maybe it is if you are 
not experiencing it.  Those who have, made and got the t-shirt. ;-)


*/



> Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
> about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
> political events. Or the weather. Or food. Or football..

*/Perhaps they'd rather not even try, out of fear of not being able to 
convey their experience in a way that could touch another human being 
and possibly inspire them./*




/*If people want to be inspired why waste time trying to get it on a 
chat group in the Internet age? Just go read some shastra or watch some 
of the chanting on YouTube.


Problem on FFL is that if someone claims they are having a good 
experience or their experience doesn't fall within the rather poor 
definitions of enlightenment that MMY gave then they are told they 
aren't experiencing enlightenment.  I know a number of folks who have 
experienced silence in activity starting back in the 1970s. I also know 
folks who have said they only have transcended a few times practicing TM.


I was also thinking about the Buck's complaining that folks were falling 
asleep during program in the dome.  I wonder if he asked them if they 
were witnessing that sleep.  They might be and experiencing the delta 
wave state which is very much like sleep but not atotal blank out. I've 
experienced that myself meditating.


FFL is NOT a weekend residence course that needs to be shepherded by a 
course leader.


*/
__._,_

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Bhairitu]

I think Russell Brand would even agree that he is where he is due to 
karma.  He would know very well that there are a lot of talented people 
in the world who will NEVER be recognized for their talents and will not 
become rich and famous. In some cases they don't want to be and are 
happy to become a small town auteur.


On 01/22/2014 09:36 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

MJ:
> I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one
>
Well, fer sure Russell Brand getting Katy Perry or Howard Stern 
getting a million dollars for a radio show can't begin to compare to 
any of your accomplishments! LoL!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[martyboi]

Ah!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Share Long]

noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever else 
it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I 
just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! 
imho (-:





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu  
wrote:
 
  
On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 
>
Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag
about them?

Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D 

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..  

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

Absolutely. One such man is Abraham Lincoln. According to Mr. Benjamin Crème he 
is now employed by the US-Government working in Washington. It appears he is 
well aware about his former incarnation and details about how he passed on no 
one else could know about but has no need for any kind of publicity.
 

 "
 MJ:
 > I do know a complete ass when I see and hear one
 >
 Well, fer sure Russell Brand getting Katy Perry or Howard Stern getting a 
million dollars for a radio show can't begin to compare to any of your 
accomplishments! LoL"
 

 HaHa :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever else 
it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I 
just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! 
imho (-:

Why do you think I asked Buck if he'd looked into his horse's eyes lately 
instead of running around the countryside trying to find "a saint"? It's all 
everywhere, just like you noticed when you woke up this morning and felt what 
you felt. I don't know what Barry's on about, as if "spiritual" experiences 
exist outside of all that we do day to day.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
   
 On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
 But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
basis. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about them?
 
 Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence?  :-D 
 
 Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk about the 
application of that such as perceptions of global or local political events.  
Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..  
 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Bhairitu]

There's that old saw: "before enlightenment you chop wood and carry 
water and after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water."


I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems 
no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite are trying to 
hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them to move over and get 
out of the way since they are a real drag on society.  Certainly having 
a quiet platform of silence helps to observe these apocalyptic events 
and even laugh them off (or laugh at the perpetrators).  I find that 
some of the political forums I'm on the posters really get hung up in 
the minutia missing the forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so much.  
That in itself is a sign of evolution.


On 01/22/2014 12:42 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be 
enlightened. I'm just saying that I think all of human life is about 
spirituality, whatever else it's about, whether it be art or weather 
or politics or food, etc. Or sports. I just watched 42, The Jackie 
Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality in action! imho (-:




On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu 
 wrote:

On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have 
on a daily basis. /*


Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about 
them?


Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk 
about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local 
political events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or football..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[sharelong60]

Judy, I've never written a spiritual essay. I think it was Buck who wrote that 
post but I'm going to check now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
 >
> On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > */But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have 
> > on a daily basis. /*
> 
> Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic enough to want to brag about them?
> 
> Or do you really want to read a bunch of noise about silence? :-D

 Interestingly, teachers in the past have never shirked from the basically 
impossible task of trying to express silence. Some have done it quite 
eloquently, like the Zen masters and poets of Japan, who managed to turn the 
subjective experience of silence into high art. 
 
 > Perhaps those who are experiencing enlightenment would like to talk 
> about the application of that such as perceptions of global or local 
> political events. Or the weather. Or food. Or football..

 Perhaps they'd rather not even try, out of fear of not being able to convey 
their experience in a way that could touch another human being and possibly 
inspire them. 

You can't or won't be touched. You are untouchable in any way that could make a 
difference for you. You are a fossil, a hardened piece of tough leather. If 
there is a small heart beating in that carapace of yours Barry, it's the size 
of a pea.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[anartaxius]

Post numbers? (So we can read them) You must have recalled some of these things 
you wrote and about when you wrote them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry, sweetie-poops, I've actually written quite a bit here about my 
spiritual experiences. You're the guy who's squirming because I unmasked your 
pose of being interested in such experiences (with a lot of inadvertent help 
from you, actually). You can't un-post your, er, contributions to this thread, 
unfortunately.
 

 But as I say, keep going, by all means. The more people see of your hypocrisy 
and hatred, the better.
 

 > He has a real shitload of hatred and resentment he has to let loose. 

 Projection, honey-bunch. I'm just enjoying watching you squirm. :-)

*I*, after all, am not the person who has been unmasked as the person with the 
*least* actual spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. That's you. 

Let's face it...even Ann, Ravi, and Emily (two of whom never even learned TM) 
had more going for them than you did. They at least got to meet and interact 
with the teachers they claimed to be "studying with." 

Come to think of it, all of them had occasional stories to tell as well. That 
kinda leaves you as one of the only people on the forum who never has. Doesn't 
it ever *bother* you being the biggest poseur on the forum?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 >
> Dear Turqb; I often find the process in composing of the short non-fiction 
> spiritual essay to be very spiritual contemplative transcendentalism in 
> exercise; cultivating of Rishi, Devata, and Chandas values of the whole 
> spiritual field within the human form having thoughts and feelings rise out 
> of the 'source of thoughts' motivated by the will and soul on consciousness 
> pure. 

 I see. You prefer to write about stuck-in-your-head intellectualisms about 
other people's experience. No problem. I was just trying to sort out who was 
who here on FFL.

If you can't describe how these things felt to you, I reserve the right to 
believe you've never experienced how these things feel. Like many here, you've 
only "heard about" them. 

Who's the "schoolmarm" now? You're such a fake Barry, such a big-mouthed, 
judgmental fake.  What is this, Barry's remedial classroom for spiritual 
flunkies? So far you have judged every single person (all 2 of them) who has 
mentioned anything about their "spiritual" experience. Have you "sorted it out" 
yet? Have you put everyone to rights yet? Are you feeling particular impotent 
today or something?

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Share Long]

noozguru, I've heard that where the wind is really strong all the time, the 
trees send their roots deep, deep, deep into the earth. I feel like one of 
those trees and I feel really really really lucky. I wish everyone could be so 
blessed...





On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:45 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
  
There's that old saw: "before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water."

I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old
  systems no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite
  are trying to hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them
  to move over and get out of the way since they are a real drag on
  society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of silence helps to
  observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or laugh
  at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums
  I'm on the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the
  forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is
  a sign of evolution.
 
On 01/22/2014 12:42 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
>noozguru, I'm with you on this. And I'm not claiming to be enlightened. I'm 
>just saying that I think all of human life is about spirituality, whatever 
>else it's about, whether it be art or weather or politics or food, etc. Or 
>sports. I just watched 42, The Jackie Robinson Story. Now that's spirituality 
>in action! imho (-:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:53 AM, Bhairitu  
>wrote:
> 
>  
>On 01/22/2014 12:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
>But almost no one writes about the spiritual experiences they have on a daily 
>basis. 
>>
>Perhaps because they aren't narcissistic
enough to want to brag about them?
>
>Or do you really want to read a bunch of
noise about silence? :-D 
>
>Perhaps those who are experiencing
enlightenment would like to talk about
the application of that such as
perceptions of global or local political
events.  Or the weather.  Or food.  Or
football..  
>
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meanings of Sanskrit prefix 'aa'...

[cardemaister]

Oh shucks! I was all wrong as to the pronunciation of 'uh'. At least as per 
Google Translator.
Thot it would rhyme with 'duh'!  ROFLOL!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Ah!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[anartaxius]

Bhairitu wrote:





 'There's that old saw: "before enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and 
after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water."'


 



 'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old systems no 
longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite are trying to hold on to 
these antiquated systems.  Time for them to move over and get out of the way 
since they are a real drag on society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of 
silence helps to observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or 
laugh at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums I'm on 
the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the forest for the trees. 
 Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is a sign of evolution.'


 I am finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I seek to find 
ways to understand what I am experiencing, and sometimes I have a desire for 
more information. Almost all my 'spiritual' experiences occured early on, in 
the years before I learned TM, and in a few years following that learning. Then 
things began to flatten out for long periods; in fact it often seemed like 
experience was sometimes going in reverse.
 

 But them the realisation came that it is not the experiences that were 
important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature of experience itself and 
at that juncture, the seeking stopped. I just watched a science fiction movie 
on Netflix. Now I am in my office and there is a single lamp on a lampstand 
pointing at the ceiling. This is the only light source in my office that is on. 
Just light shining on the wall and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of 
a movie, but it is just as fascinating as the movie. This seems to be simply 
because it is the nature of experience itself, it exists, it changes. It is a 
beautifully strange, unlocated silence that strings together these ordinary 
pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that there is something 
beyond this.
 

 In the beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that spiritual life 
was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere of living. But as time has passed, 
that no longer holds. What I called transcendent in the beginning has become 
immanence, it is no longer something out of sight or mind. 'Transcendence' now 
sounds ludicrous and bizarre. It was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no 
longer means anything at all.
 

 If I am meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on my desk 
(it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it is pretty much the same 
thing. It was not the specific content that was going on that I was seeking all 
those years, it was just the plain fact that something was going on. It took 
decades to finally get this. All that intellectual filigree and nit picking 
about spiritual concepts and how this related to that was all a smoke screen 
for something much more obvious, that existence is, and that is that. End of 
question.
 

 Trying to describe this quality of experience is challenging because there is 
nothing extraordinary about it, and this is my second best shot at it. I wrote 
and hit enter, and the cursor was probably out of the box, and Neo trashed the 
whole thing I wrote. So this is an attempt to reclaim a previous inspiration, 
and it is like reheated food. A certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut 
and paste this into Neo from a text editor.
 

 I really do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not boring, but for 
someone who is still looking for them, it might seem to be a rather austere way 
to experience life. If I feel tired, I am tired, sometimes I am blissful, and 
sometimes not. I am not looking to be happy or avoid happiness. I am not 
looking to be sad or avoid sadness. If it comes that way, that is what I 
experience. It is a peculiar quality to not anticipate things much at all. 
United States Federal and local state taxes are do, so I do have to think about 
future events, a certain amount of planning is required to get through a year, 
and then another year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine scenarios that 
could be frantic, such as economic collapse etc.
 

 As for chopping wood and carrying water, it's easier now. An electric pump 
brings water into the house, and there is some wood in the garage, but someone 
else chopped it (probably with a machine). So I just have to turn on the 
faucet, but I do have to carry wood into the house, but it is for ambience, the 
oil boiler does the real job of heating.
 

 Now it's time for me to sit quietly and do nothing, which I do from time to 
time. Formal quiet time, on my own schedule, not at someone else's urging. I am 
not coordinating with anyone (I am ignoring Buck, that is to say).


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Does anyone recall my saying I had changed my mind about not talking to Xeno 
until he apologized for calling me a liar?
 

 No? I don't either. Wonder why he thinks I did.
 


 Post numbers? (So we can read them) You must have recalled some of these 
things you wrote and about when you wrote them.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry, sweetie-poops, I've actually written quite a bit here about my 
spiritual experiences. You're the guy who's squirming because I unmasked your 
pose of being interested in such experiences (with a lot of inadvertent help 
from you, actually). You can't un-post your, er, contributions to this thread, 
unfortunately.
 

 But as I say, keep going, by all means. The more people see of your hypocrisy 
and hatred, the better.
 

 > He has a real shitload of hatred and resentment he has to let loose. 

 Projection, honey-bunch. I'm just enjoying watching you squirm. :-)

*I*, after all, am not the person who has been unmasked as the person with the 
*least* actual spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. That's you. 

Let's face it...even Ann, Ravi, and Emily (two of whom never even learned TM) 
had more going for them than you did. They at least got to meet and interact 
with the teachers they claimed to be "studying with." 

Come to think of it, all of them had occasional stories to tell as well. That 
kinda leaves you as one of the only people on the forum who never has. Doesn't 
it ever *bother* you being the biggest poseur on the forum?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[anartaxius]

You said you would not have a discussion with me, but did attempt to respond by 
making a 'comment', once. It is not necessary to have a discussion with me to 
provide data; all you have to do is post references and remove any content that 
I wrote, borrowed, or stole. I have been attempting to not interact with you so 
as not to incite responses. But if you post information rather than merely 
saying it exists, it would be easier for people to find it, unless it does not 
exist, then obviously posting a passing reference to it makes it difficult to 
discover it does not exist, and thus prove a lie. Unlike Barry, I do read 
*some* of the posts you write, but not all. I do not recall you ever talking 
about spiritual experiences, though that does not mean they do not exist on 
FFL. What you need is an ally to comment on my post and you can reply to her.
 

 I am overjoyed you have not changed your mind, for it normally simplifies life 
for me here, removing a deeply dark presence from my path.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Bhairitu]

Do you have "Spare the Air" days back there?  We get them here in 
California and now they are irritating people because they can't burn in 
their fireplace to make up for the unusually cold weather.  If they do 
burn then they are subject to a fine.  A little wind usually calls it 
off though.


Thing is I find it hard to tell people that my experiences these days is 
"the world is out there" and somehow disconnected from "me."  This is 
not a dis-associative situation because when I need to engage with the 
world there is no problem.  I call "localization on demand."  Otherwise 
it is line on water and it would be so cool if everyone else *at least* 
experienced this.


On 01/22/2014 02:50 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Bhairitu wrote:


'There's that old saw: "before enlightenment you chop wood and
carry water and after enlightenment you copy wood and carry water."'

'I find it interesting to watch the world falling apart.  Our old
systems no longer work and the unenlightened materialistic elite
are trying to hold on to these antiquated systems.  Time for them
to move over and get out of the way since they are a real drag on
society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of silence helps to
observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them off (or laugh
at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the political forums
I'm on the posters really get hung up in the minutia missing the
forest for the trees. Folks here, not so much.  That in itself is
a sign of evolution.'

I am finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I seek 
to find ways to understand what I am experiencing, and sometimes I 
have a desire for more information. Almost all my 'spiritual' 
experiences occured early on, in the years before I learned TM, and in 
a few years following that learning. Then things began to flatten out 
for long periods; in fact it often seemed like experience was 
sometimes going in reverse.


But them the realisation came that it is not the experiences that were 
important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature of experience 
itself and at that juncture, the seeking stopped. I just watched a 
science fiction movie on Netflix. Now I am in my office and there is a 
single lamp on a lampstand pointing at the ceiling. This is the only 
light source in my office that is on. Just light shining on the wall 
and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of a movie, but it is 
just as fascinating as the movie. This seems to be simply because it 
is the nature of experience itself, it exists, it changes. It is a 
beautifully strange, unlocated silence that strings together these 
ordinary pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that 
there is something beyond this.


In the beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that 
spiritual life was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere of living. 
But as time has passed, that no longer holds. What I called 
transcendent in the beginning has become immanence, it is no longer 
something out of sight or mind. 'Transcendence' now sounds ludicrous 
and bizarre. It was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no longer 
means anything at all.


If I am meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on my 
desk (it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it is pretty much 
the same thing. It was not the specific content that was going on that 
I was seeking all those years, it was just the plain fact that 
something was going on. It took decades to finally get this. All that 
intellectual filigree and nit picking about spiritual concepts and how 
this related to that was all a smoke screen for something much more 
obvious, that existence is, and that is that. End of question.


Trying to describe this quality of experience is challenging because 
there is nothing extraordinary about it, and this is my second best 
shot at it. I wrote and hit enter, and the cursor was probably out of 
the box, and Neo trashed the whole thing I wrote. So this is an 
attempt to reclaim a previous inspiration, and it is like reheated 
food. A certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut and paste this 
into Neo from a text editor.


I really do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not boring, 
but for someone who is still looking for them, it might seem to be a 
rather austere way to experience life. If I feel tired, I am tired, 
sometimes I am blissful, and sometimes not. I am not looking to be 
happy or avoid happiness. I am not looking to be sad or avoid sadness. 
If it comes that way, that is what I experience. It is a peculiar 
quality to not anticipate things much at all. United States Federal 
and local state taxes are do, so I do have to think about future 
events, a certain amount of planning is required to get through a 
year, and then another year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine 
scenarios that could be frantic, such as economic collapse etc.


As for chopping wood and carr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Amazing. He still doesn't get it. Somebody might think about suggesting that he 
ask another person to pose the question he did. Then I'll explain why the 
question is disingenuous and hostile, just like those he asked me on Sunday 
(which of course he will disingenuously deny). No surprise, of course, that 
Xeno has taken Barry's side and decided to help him "stalk" me. What a 
wonderfully spiritual dude, eh?
 

 << You said you would not have a discussion with me, but did attempt to 
respond by making a 'comment', once. It is not necessary to have a discussion 
with me to provide data; all you have to do is post references and remove any 
content that I wrote, borrowed, or stole. I have been attempting to not 
interact with you so as not to incite responses. But if you post information 
rather than merely saying it exists, it would be easier for people to find it, 
unless it does not exist, then obviously posting a passing reference to it 
makes it difficult to discover it does not exist, and thus prove a lie. Unlike 
Barry, I do read *some* of the posts you write, but not all. I do not recall 
you ever talking about spiritual experiences, though that does not mean they do 
not exist on FFL. What you need is an ally to comment on my post and you can 
reply to her.
 

 I am overjoyed you have not changed your mind, for it normally simplifies life 
for me here, removing a deeply dark presence from my path. >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[authfriend]

Oh, you are so right, Share, it was Buck. My bad! Well, everything else I said 
about Barry's comments on that post is still on target.
 

 Sorry about that.
 
 << Judy, I've never written a spiritual essay. I think it was Buck who wrote 
that post but I'm going to check now. >>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Michael Jackson]

I got such a good laugh out of the I am ignoring Buck part!

On Wed, 1/22/14, anartax...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual 
Experience
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 10:50 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Bhairitu
 wrote:'There's
 that old saw: "before
   enlightenment you chop wood and carry water and after
   enlightenment you copy wood and carry
 water."'
 'I
 find it interesting to watch the world falling apart. 
 Our old
   systems no longer work and the unenlightened
 materialistic elite
   are trying to hold on to these antiquated
 systems.  Time for them
   to move over and get out of the way since they are a
 real drag on
   society.  Certainly having a quiet platform of
 silence helps to
   observe these apocalyptic events and even laugh them
 off (or laugh
   at the perpetrators).  I find that some of the
 political forums
   I'm on the posters really get hung up in the
 minutia missing the
   forest for the trees.  Folks here, not so
 much.  That in itself is
   a sign of
 evolution.'I am
 finding that I no longer seek spiritual experience, though I
 seek to find ways to understand what I am experiencing, and
 sometimes I have a desire for more information. Almost all
 my 'spiritual' experiences occured early on, in the
 years before I learned TM, and in a few years following that
 learning. Then things began to flatten out for long periods;
 in fact it often seemed like experience was sometimes going
 in reverse.
 But them
 the realisation came that it is not the experiences that
 were important in this seeking behaviour, it was the nature
 of experience itself and at that juncture, the seeking
 stopped. I just watched a science fiction movie on Netflix.
 Now I am in my office and there is a single lamp on a
 lampstand pointing at the ceiling. This is the only light
 source in my office that is on. Just light shining on the
 wall and ceiling, not very interesting as the plot of a
 movie, but it is just as fascinating as the movie. This
 seems to be simply because it is the nature of experience
 itself, it exists, it changes. It is a beautifully strange,
 unlocated silence that strings together these ordinary
 pearls of life. There is no longer any sense at all that
 there is something beyond this.
 In the
 beginning I imagined, based on what others told me, that
 spiritual life was transcendental, beyond the normal sphere
 of living. But as time has passed, that no longer holds.
 What I called transcendent in the beginning has become
 immanence, it is no longer something out of sight or mind.
 'Transcendence' now sounds ludicrous and bizarre. It
 was, for a time a useful fiction, but it no longer means
 anything at all.
 If I am
 meditating or looking at the stack of fuel meter tickets on
 my desk (it has been uncommonly cold here this winter), it
 is pretty much the same thing. It was not the specific
 content that was going on that I was seeking all those
 years, it was just the plain fact that something was going
 on. It took decades to finally get this. All that
 intellectual filigree and nit picking about spiritual
 concepts and how this related to that was all a smoke screen
 for something much more obvious, that existence is, and that
 is that. End of question.
 Trying
 to describe this quality of experience is challenging
 because there is nothing extraordinary about it, and this is
 my second best shot at it. I wrote and hit enter, and the
 cursor was probably out of the box, and Neo trashed the
 whole thing I wrote. So this is an attempt to reclaim a
 previous inspiration, and it is like reheated food. A
 certain amount of caustion. I am going to cut and paste this
 into Neo from a text editor.
 I really
 do not have spiritual experiences any more. It's not
 boring, but for someone who is still looking for them, it
 might seem to be a rather austere way to experience life. If
 I feel tired, I am tired, sometimes I am blissful, and
 sometimes not. I am not looking to be happy or avoid
 happiness. I am not looking to be sad or avoid sadness. If
 it comes that way, that is what I experience. It is a
 peculiar quality to not anticipate things much at all.
 United States Federal and local state taxes are do, so I do
 have to think about future events, a certain amount of
 planning is required to get through a year, and then another
 year. But its not frantic, though I can imagine scenarios
 that could be frantic, such as economic collapse
 etc.
 As for
 chopping wood and carrying water, it's easier now. An
 electric pump brings water into the house, and there is some
 wood in the garage, but someone else chopped it (probably
 with a machine). So I just have to turn on the faucet, but I
 do have to carry wood into the house, but it is for
 ambience, the oi

[FairfieldLife] A [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in Systems

[dhamiltony2k5]

Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in 
systems. 
 
 
 “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states 
may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. 
For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the 
liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is 
lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible 
applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in 
individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations 
are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a 
population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For 
instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster 
of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the 
developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells 
comprising the rest of the embryo.” 
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 

 

 
 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing 
Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime 
decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, 
and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 
'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 As early as,
 
 
 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 
 
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment.”
 

 This is the time of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. I am only giving 
expression to the phenomenon that is taking place.
 
 
 
 One percent of the people in any country can herald the dawn of a new age for 
the who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[Richard J. Williams]

On 1/22/2014 1:39 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

BTW, Barry, how's your novel about the Cathars coming along?

>
Barry doesn't want to talk about the Cathars because he is afraid 
someone might bring up the Gnostics. Hopefully Barry learned a few 
things about the Cathars from Kater and Klaus Schilling. Apparently 
Barry didn't realize that the Cathars are related to the Bogumils which 
are are derived from the Paulicans; the Paulicans from Manicheans and 
Manicheans from Gnostics. Thus Cathars are derived from Gnostics. 
Moggers can understand this simple fact, 'cletantra can't. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Consciousness Coherence, A System Meissner-like Effect [ME]

[dhamiltony2k5]

The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole 
community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the 
Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME].
 

 
 Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in 
systems. 
 
 
 “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states 
may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. 
For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the 
liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is 
lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible 
applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in 
individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations 
are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a 
population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For 
instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster 
of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the 
developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells 
comprising the rest of the embryo.” 
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 

 

 
 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing 
Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime 
decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, 
and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 
'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 As early as,
 
 
 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 
 
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 With this formula, Maharishi realized that it was now easily practical to 
produce positive trends in all cities throughout the world. With this 
inspiration, Maharishi envisioned a new age dawning for mankind. On 12 January 
1975, he inaugurated the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment proclaiming, “Through 
the window of science I see the dawn of the Age of Enlight

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[Richard Williams]

Jason:
> there was a two way, crossflow of influence between
> Hinduism and Buddhism, for thousands of years. Thus there
> are some similarities...
>
According to Vaj, the Advaita Vedanta of Shankara is largely a Vedic purist
reaction to the teaching of Nagarjuna. In fact, Shankara was accused of
being a crypto-Buddhist for taking up the Buddhist mayavada notion. Go
figure.

Arya Asanga puts forth the schools basic doctrines in his Mahaayaana
Sutralamkaara:

1. Reality is non-dual pure consciousness.

2. The phenomenal world is momentary - shunya. But shunya doesn't mean
total negation. It is the negation of something in something. It is the
negation of the illusory phenomenal world in its underlying support - pure
consciousness.

3. The individual ego - the "I" - doesn't really exist. It is neither real
nor unreal, nor both, nor neither - it is an illusion.

4. All suffering is due to clinging to the notions of "I" and "mine".

5. Liberation is only the destruction of the illusion or ignorance.
Individual existence is transcended on grasping the true meaning of
nairaatmaya and shunyataa.

6. The real is non-dual. It's neither existence nor non-existence, neither
affirmation nor negation, neither identity nor difference, neither one nor
many, neither pure nor impure, neither production nor destruction.


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Jason  wrote:

>
>
>
> Emptybill, there was a two way, crossflow of influence between
> Hinduism and Buddhism, for thousands of years. Thus there
> are some similarities.
>
> According to Nagarjuna of the Mahayana school, Nothing can
> arise independently on its own. Everything arose
> co-dependently along with you. Therefore, the phenomenal
> world around has no independent existence of it's own. So
> they are empty (sunyata), not real.
>
> Nagarjuna in Mulamadhyamaka karika, understands the world's
> transient and impermanent nature to mean that nothing has
> its own essence or independent existence. Everything is
> 'empty' (sunyata), in so far as it depends on other things
> in order to exist. For example, a table can only be said to
> exist in so far as four pieces of wood are connected to a
> base. If the legs are taken off, it is no longer a table.
> Therefore, it has no independent existence.
>
> A candle is burning because it is lit. It's not that
> lighting the candle caused it to burn, but rather that the
> candle's burning is the result of the condition of it being
> lit. Likewise, the candle is burning because it is made out
> of wax. The "candle is burning" because of a number of
> different conditions which together allow us to understand
> it in this way.
>
>
> In the Mandukya Karika, Gaudapada's commentary on the
> Mandukya Upanishad,  Brahman cannot undergo any alteration.
> The Brahman is unchanging, (changeless). If no change can
> happen in the Brahman, nothing can arise from Brahman. Thus,
> the phenomenal world around has no underlying cause.
> Therefore it is not real, it's maya.
>
> There is no real origination or destruction, only apparent
> origination or destruction. From the level of ultimate truth
> (paramarthata) the phenomenal world is Maya.
>
>  Ajatavada is proved by the reasoning that anything that has
>  a beginning must have an end. Anything that has no
>  beginning, has no end either. The consciousness therefore,
>  is only reality, but appears as objects like a burning
>  stick swung about appears to be continuous.
>
>
> ---   wrote:
> >
> > I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences
> between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have
> also explained how and why Shankara refuted the same.
>
> >
> >
> >  You answer has always been the same - "Yeah, but ... and then you
> continue onward without considering it at all. You only want to appear as
> "Mr. Professor" so you continue to repeat stuff you read that was written
> 10-20 years ago.
> >
> >
> >  You simply waste my time. Therefore I don't want to waste more with
> your b.s. and your "it is all about Prof..Willy P-Dog".
> >
> >
> >  This is apparently how you understand both Advaita and Trika:
> >
> >  "I am the Universe. It's all about Me. It's my Maya".
> >
>
> > > ---  wrote:
> > >
> >  > There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not
> been refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd
> like to cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves.
> > >
> > >  mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery ,
> witchcraft magic RV; an unreal or illusory image, phantom , apparition ib.
> (esp. ibc= false, unreal, illusory; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the 24
> minor evil passions) Dharmas. Illusion (identified in the Samkhya with
> Prakriti or Pradha1na and in that system, as well as in the Vedanta,
> regarded as the source of the visible universe.
> > >
> > >
> >  > Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon:
> >  > http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Consciousness Coherence, A System Meissner-like Effect [ME]

[dhamiltony2k5]

The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation 
experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that 
even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental 
Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give 
an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole.
 

 

 
 The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole 
community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the 
Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME].
 

 
 Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in 
systems. 
 
 
 “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states 
may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. 
For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the 
liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is 
lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible 
applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in 
individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations 
are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a 
population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For 
instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster 
of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the 
developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells 
comprising the rest of the embryo.” 
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 

 

 
 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing 
Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime 
decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, 
and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 
'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 As early as,
 
 
 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 
 
 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 
 
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”   
 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars.  
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation and were experiencing higher states of 
consciousness. With this, world consciousness was already becoming increasingly 
purified. Furthermore, people everywhere were experiencing the practical 
benefits of the development of higher states of consciousness in all aspects of 
their daily life, including greater happiness, peace, and harmony. A growing 
body of scientific research was validating the beneficial effects this practice 
had on all levels of mind, body, and behavior of the individual.
 

 It was at this time that research scientists discovered that in cities where 
one percent of the population was practicing Transcendental Meditation, the 
cities' crime rates decreased. As more and more cities rose to one percent of 
the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found 
that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative 
trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this 
phenomenon the Maharishi Effect in honor of Mahar

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re:GREAT advice this is

[dhamiltony2k5]

Thanks Wleed,
 

 I am going to drag this paragraph over to have it go with that quote by the 
Pope on a distinction between consciousness cultivation and morality in life. 
 

 Well, obviously there is virtue and there is vice and there are our spiritual 
practices of discipline to free the soul of the indentations of the subtle 
system created of vice. Some people are brought up badly. Fortunate though are 
those whom have good teachers who know better and can give spiritual help to 
others. Service to others is the great virtue as it undoes vice. Seek good 
company. Do good. Come to a group transcending meditation near you. So says the 
science.

 -Buck
 

 "The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment."

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  
  
 From: wleed3@...



  
 GOOD advice this is!
  
  

  


-Original Message-
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 10:54:30 -0500
From: Buck@...
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New meaning for Kesey's "Are you on the bus or 
off
the bus?"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com


 Well, obviously there is virtue and there is vice and there are our spiritual 
practices of discipline to free the soul of the indentations of the subtle 
system created of vice. Some people are brought up badly. Fortunate though are 
those whom have good teachers who know better and can give spiritual help to 
others. Service to others is the great virtue as it undoes vice. Seek good 
company. Do good. Come to a group transcending meditation near you. So says the 
science. "The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is
significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness.
So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up
in small things, and then it will be yours." Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversing The Flow -- Writing AS Spiritual Experience

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Amazing. He still doesn't get it. Somebody might think about suggesting that 
he ask another person to pose the question he did. Then I'll explain why the 
question is disingenuous and hostile, just like those he asked me on Sunday 
(which of course he will disingenuously deny). No surprise, of course, that 
Xeno has taken Barry's side and decided to help him "stalk" me. What a 
wonderfully spiritual dude, eh?
 

 This whole question of "spiritual experiences" has me stumped. I have no idea 
what this is all about. Is it a contest? Is it relevant to anything? Can one 
evaluate a "spiritual experience" any better than they can evaluate any other 
experience someone has? Is "spiritual" content any different than what 
comprises the rest of life? I certainly don't think so. In my experience, it 
all falls into the category of glorious, amazing, incredible, miraculous. 
Really, it does. Is Rama's purported lift off any different than the miracle of 
being able to digest food? Nope, not for me. If Barry wants a pissing contest 
called "Who has had the most spiritual experiences?" then he obviously doesn't 
have the grace, the fortune in his life to be able to lump it all into one big 
lovely entity called "having a human body and being on this Earth at this time 
in this way". My life is not compartmentalized nor do I categorize what I see 
and do and think (or not think) and I certainly don't dwell on whether I had a 
"spiritual" moment or not. It's downright laughable. 
 

 << You said you would not have a discussion with me, but did attempt to 
respond by making a 'comment', once. It is not necessary to have a discussion 
with me to provide data; all you have to do is post references and remove any 
content that I wrote, borrowed, or stole. I have been attempting to not 
interact with you so as not to incite responses. But if you post information 
rather than merely saying it exists, it would be easier for people to find it, 
unless it does not exist, then obviously posting a passing reference to it 
makes it difficult to discover it does not exist, and thus prove a lie. Unlike 
Barry, I do read *some* of the posts you write, but not all. I do not recall 
you ever talking about spiritual experiences, though that does not mean they do 
not exist on FFL. What you need is an ally to comment on my post and you can 
reply to her.
 

 I am overjoyed you have not changed your mind, for it normally simplifies life 
for me here, removing a deeply dark presence from my path. >>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope: Cultivating Consciousness is NOT the same thing as Morality.

[dhamiltony2k5]

 TM it seems never really quite equates expansion of consciousness with 
development of morality necessarily. There is some assertion about improved 
moral reasoning from the science research but not really moral development. TM 
seems to stay away from that equation. After this (1974) TM publication, 
morality and consciousness it seems never really run close together. Moral 
reasoning and consciousness yes, but not development of morality or virtue in 
the soul of character as consciousness development necessarily. The TM moral 
instruction at best was, Meditate twice a day, act and “Never do that which you 
know to be wrong”. 
 Maharishi and the Pope evidently felt a similar way about consciousness, 
ethics and morality. 
 Well, obviously there is virtue and there is vice, and there are our spiritual 
practice of discipline to free our soul of those indentations of the sheaths of 
the subtle system created of vice. Spiritually then, those Vāsanā of spiritual 
vice, usually given as wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony or 
in morality of 10 commandments. 
 Unfortunately some people are brought up badly. Fortunate are those whom have 
good teachers who knew better and can give spiritual help. Then evidently in 
life service to others is the great virtue as it undoes vice. Seek good 
company. Do good. Come to a group transcending meditation near you. So says the 
science. 
 By the Pope's spiritual description quoted as authority in the 1974 TM 
publication, consciousness development is quite evidently different from 
morality development. One could certainly contend by enumeration of long 
experience that in practice this is so, that moral reasoning is some set 
different from virtue as to the implementation of necessary spiritual morality 
in the development of consciousness. Though these two are evidently intertwined 
as spiritual practice. 
 Future theologians of the Unified Field of next generations will sit with this 
as they review the virtue of moral leadership of our past and present TM.Org . 
I do hope for the best judgment and redemption even to all, -Buck in the Dome 
 “This study was designed to investigate whether a positive relationship exists 
between the practice of the Transcendental Meditation (TM) technique and moral 
reasoning,” Paper 91, A Study of the Relationship of the Transcendental 
Meditation Program to Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Reasoning. 
 
 Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program
 Collected Papers,
 Volume I,
 1977
 Editors,
 Orme-Johnson
 Farrow
 pp 727
 
 
 
 "The whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is
significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness.
So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up
in small things, and then it will be yours." Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
 
 
 = 
 
 “When you speak of consciousness, you do not refer to the moral conscious: the 
very rigor of your methods ensures that you do not leave the strictly 
scientific domain which belongs to you. What you have in mind exclusively is 
the same faculty of perceiving and of reacting to perception, that is to say, 
the psychophysiological concept which constitutes one of the accepted meanings 
of the word 'consciousness.'” -(Pope Paul VI addressing a gathering of 
Scientists for the study of Brain and Conscious Experience, Rome 1964). 
 Excerpt, The Psychobiology of Transcendental Meditation A Literature Review 
Kanellakos and Lukas 1974 Benjamin, Inc. pp 158 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[s3raphita]

Let's be clear: Russell Brand is a total creep. His excuse is that he's bipolar 
- but Stephen Fry is also bipolar and Stephen remains a fully-paid up human 
being - intelligent, warm-hearted, witty. That fact that Brand is a popular 
celebrity tells you just how far contemporary society has lost its way and 
doesn't deserve our support. Richard Williams thinks that Katy Perry and Howard 
Stern are role models for his children! That just shows how fucked-up people 
become when they put the almighty dollar above humane values.

[FairfieldLife] Harrison

[Michael Jackson]

George Harrison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjWTFlg2Er0

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation

[Michael Jackson]

But Benjy Creme says Brand is a saint.

On Thu, 1/23/14, s3raph...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Russel Brand on Sex with 2 girls with rubber, the 
lovely mother of Kathy Perry and Transcendental Meditation
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, January 23, 2014, 3:00 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Let's be
 clear: Russell Brand is a total creep. His excuse is that
 he's bipolar - but Stephen Fry is also bipolar and
 Stephen remains a fully-paid up human being - intelligent,
 warm-hearted, witty. That fact that Brand is a popular
 celebrity tells you just how far contemporary society has
 lost its way and doesn't deserve our support. Richard
 Williams thinks that Katy Perry and Howard Stern are role
 models for his children! That just shows how fucked-up
 people become when they put the almighty dollar above humane
 values.
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

[emptybill]

In Tibetan Buddhism, Nagarjuna is the most important philosophical figure. It 
is like Thomas Aquinas for Roman Catholics. Madhyamaka is the basis for 
understanding Buddhism and Vijñanavada is a close correlate. 

Contrary to the Tibetans, Madhyamaka is not given the same exalted status in 
the history of Chinese Buddhism. Their conclusion was that the eight-fold 
negation of Nagarjuna set the framework for a final negation of all elements 
(dharmas) of experience, whether material, psychological, or celestial. 
However, according to them, this very conclusion cannot be final. That is 
because any negation (no matter how subtle or all encompassing) is by 
definition the opposite of an affirmation - not merely logically but in final 
meaning and result. It is therefore merely relative and is neither final nor 
absolute. 

Consequently, Madhyamaka was superseded by various other Buddhist schools until 
Hwa-Yen became the view that encompassed all other schools and all other 
elements of experience. 

That view about Madhyamaka was echoed by Shankara who characterized Madhyamaka 
as shunyavada and dismissed it rather swiftly. Shankara in fact saved some of 
his most pointed criticisms for the Buddhists of his day, particularly 
Vijnanavada.  
 In spite of this, there are parallels between some of Gaudapada’s statements 
and the views of Vijnanavada because they both draw from the same milieu of 
philosophic discourse.
 

 This is one reason that assertions that Advaita was a secret Buddhism 
demonstrate ignorance of the issues and shallow scholarship.

  
 As pointed out by K. A. Krishnaswamy Aiyer, Buddhism and Advaita are 
fundamentally opposed in five key points:
  
 1. Both say that the world is “unreal”, but Buddhists mean that it is only 
a conceptual construct (vikalpa), while Shankara does not think that the world 
is merely conceptual.
  
 2. Momentariness is a cardinal principal of Buddhism – consciousness is 
fundamentally momentary for them. However, in Advaita, consciousness is pure 
(shuddha), without beginning or end (anadi) and is thoroughly continuous. The 
momentariness of empirical states of consciousness overlies this continuity. 
  
 3. In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct 
that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “really Real” and is the 
basis of all concepts. 
  
 4. In Buddhism, avidya causes us to construct continuities (such as the 
self) where there are none. In Advaita, avidya causes us instead to take what 
is unreal to be real and what is real to be unreal. 
  
 5. Removal of avidya leads to nirvana/blowning out for Buddhists but for 
Shankara it leads to perfect knowledge (vidya).
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Buddhism in the West

[yifuxero]

Bio of Hsuan Hua.  Had a vision in which he was told by the 6-th Patriarch to 
come to the West and spread the Buddhist Dharma. 
 .
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC9U9henIU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC9U9henIU

[FairfieldLife] The Chan Tradition of Meditation

[yifuxero]

Lecture by Hsuan Hua: 
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgPGKPEiFTE 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgPGKPEiFTE

[FairfieldLife] RE: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

[dhamiltony2k5]

As the transcendental meditators generally arrived in Fairfield, Iowa during 
the mid and late 1970's and throughout the 1980's the Fairfield group 
meditations then were large and inclusive of the whole TM meditating community. 
The group meditations once facilitated in the 1980's by the TM organization 
were long, large and twice daily attended. Initially there was not need to have 
distinct Quaker meetings for worship separate from the long hours of the much 
larger corporate enterprise as the TM group meditations were facilitated in 
Fairfield, Iowa. Only very occasionally would the meditator-Quakers meet of 
their own being in Quaker Meeting as they were certainly in discipline as 
peace-activists otherwise in the long group meditations as meetings for worship 
as Quakers could recognized themselves within the TM group. It was only after 
some years when TM administration of the Dome meditation became exclusionary 
and the size of the Dome meditations declined that meditating-Quakers of 
Fairfield also added in a turning back to their own meditation schedule a 
Quaker Meeting to fill a vacuum created by communal purgings and depletion then 
of what had been the larger TM Dome meditation community. Since that time of 
the declines in the TM Dome meditation of the 1990's and 00's in Fairfield 
there has been sustained a regular schedule of old silent Quaker Meetings kept 
in an addition as their own Quaker's refuge of inclusive communal spirituality.
 
 
 
 

 Quaker Meeting for Worship, 17th Century.  
 Entering into this form of worship. .
  
 “… the first that enters into the place of your meeting, be not careless, nor 
wander up and down either in body or mind, but innocently sit down in some 
place and turn in thy mind to the Light, and wait upon God (The Unified Field 
Transcendent) simply, as if none were present but the Lord, and here thou art 
strong.  When the next that come in, let them in simplicity and heart sit down 
and turn to the same Light, and wait in the Spirit, and so all the rest coming 
in fear of the Lord sit down in pure stillness and silence of all flesh, and 
wait in the Light.  A few that are thus gathered by the arm of the Lord into 
the unity of the Spirit, this is a sweet and precious meeting in which all are 
met with the Lord…. Those who are brought to a pure, still waiting on God in 
the Spirit are come nearer to God than words are… though not a word be spoken 
to the hearing of the ear.  In such a meeting where the presence and power of 
God is felt, there will be an unwillingness to part asunder, being ready to say 
in yourselves, it is good to be here, and this is the end of all words and 
writings, to bring people to the eternal living word.”  -1660
  
 
 -Alexander Parker, Letters of Early Friends, ed. A.R. Barclay (London; Darton 
and Harvey, 1841), pp. 365-66.  Alexander Parker was a close companion of 
George Fox.
 

 "There is a principle which is pure, placed in the human mind, which in 
different places and ages hath had different names. It is, however, pure and 
proceeds from God (the Unified Field). It is deep and inward, confined to no 
forms of religion nor excluded from any, where the heart stands in perfect 
sincerity. In whomsoever this takes root and grows, of what nation soever, they 
become brethren."
 
 -John Woolman, Quaker
 

 20th Century Quakers coming to Fairfield, Iowa in a form of spiritual 
direct-action peace-activism as re-enforcement joining with the large group 
meditations facilitated by Transcendental Meditation(TM) in Fairfield held a 
natural affinity to Quakers. To come as re-enforcement to the enterprise of 
what was identified then as the spiritual Meissner Effect (ME) of group 
consciousness had a recognized legitimacy to spiritual Quakerism. That 
corporate group spirituality is a Quaker practice that particularly attracted a 
number of old Quakers in to the TM movement early on. Initially upon coming to 
Fairfield, Iowa to re-enforce the aggregate numbers in meditation the old-style 
Quakers joined in alongside the TM meditations; as when in Rome do as the 
Romans do. This history in context now becomes an additional chapter in The 
Quakers of Iowa. See: http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm 
http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm 
 
 
 
 The Quakers of Iowa
A history of the Quaker settlement of Iowa including the nature of the under 
ground rail road in 19th Century Iowa.  Written by Louis T. Jones, 1914
http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm 
 


 For sometime, the transcending meditation group practices of Quakers as the 
Society of Friends was a dominant spiritual practice in the settlement and 
cultivation of America and as so often has happened with Knowledge in sequence 
of time the now ancient silent transcendental Quaker practice fell crashing 
upon shoals of spiritually ignorant ideologies and the primitive Quakerism 
itself almost entirely foundered out of sight as a spiritual movement of the 
Meissner