[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I suppose whoever the astronomer royal is will get a nod and inform the government but the church will have to just cope somehow, it isn't like the old days when people really believed them ahead of the scientists and to remain credible they've had to go back on so much of the dogma there isn't much left for their gods to do anyway. The Muslims seem unreformed enough that they might find it hard to cope that they aren't anything special in god's eyes. If a message from the stars is received I'd be tempted to sit on it until it's decoded to see if it's a threat, We'll be their in five of your Earth years. Be afraid. Is the sort of thing that you might want a contingency plan for. I can't see the government doing anything other than fuck it all up though. Unless we get the slick and sophisticated shadow government involved, if they can bring down the WTC without anyone noticing they might just be good enough ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
sort of a funny comment below, Barry. again, I think it misses the mark, but if that's the way you see it... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
He's not happy about it because in his heart, he identifies with Marshy and the legit TMO - after all they are the ones who started it all, and any intimation that their crap is crap makes him feel his life's focus is not kosher and he like all those who revere cults and their leaders can't take the self image bruising that looking objectively at things requires. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Like Rick said, with friends like Nappy, the Movement don't need enemies. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
[FairfieldLife] In Other Cult News...
If you read his reasons for grabbling at his parishioners gonads, his excuses are as ridiculous as the crap the Movement feeds people about why they should believe all the Hindu superstition passed off as science. http://www.ohio.com/news/local/ernest-angley-s-grace-cathedral-rocked-by-accusations-involving-abortions-and-vasectomies-1.531094 Ernest Angley’s Grace Cathedral rocked by accusations in... Depending whom you ask, one of two things is happening at the big Cuyahoga Falls church run by legendary television evangelist Ernest Angley: View on www.ohio.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get this man some old newspapers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. The fact that you read about Hegelin on FFL is more than enough to show that you're still in the cult mind-set, still blustering and posturing trying to salvage the good old feelings you used to have when you were somebody doing something for the Movement and you are still proud of being associated with them, even if you were just a staff member at MIU a long time ago. /YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BAKE COOKIES ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN!/ You need to deal with it - get some help, report to John Knapp or Gina. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, Feste? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. Nice post, this all makes sense to me. Sorry so many of you had to be around for the really crazy years. I bailed back in 1985.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
On 10/13/2014 10:23 PM, Duveyoung wrote: If all the retired initiators got together and pooled their pocket change, they could muster up some slick-ass posters announcing TM courses for $19.95 and tape those suckers up all around town. /There is nothing preventing you from starting your own meditation movement - you can teach anything you want to as long as you don't call it TM. It would cost you only a few dollars to print up a few flyers to hand out in your neighborhood. You should have been teaching yoga meditation to all your friends. What happened to get you locked into the TMer guru yoga? Go figure./ Let's see the TMO reach into their pockets and come at 2,000 ex initiators with their $3,000.00 suited-up Trademark lawyers costing $700/hr. Yeah, right, like they could even have the go-to lackies on staff to put together a war of lawsuits, let alone convince Girish to pay for it. And they'd be too stupid to come up with some response to the 2000 demons attack, that would make lemonade out of it as it hit the headlines. Hit the headlines -- one of my better jokes. The silence would be so DUH. No one cares. But actually, I'm fucking miffed. I studied my ass off to pass checking/puja tests. And then I performed for the TMO with tons of initiations. But no, I'm not a recert, so I'm fucking piece of shit, and if you think I'm exaggerating, then you never had the course office fuck with your head in the most Nazi-esque manner. If you're not bringing in money to the movement you are a stinking fucking turd -- you can feel it in their handshakes. So: with all that l I did and now I can't put up a poster and, what? -- they own my ass? Fuck. That. Shit. If I was still a believer, it'd be worth it to test the TMO's metal on this and see if they'd sue me, cuz even small claims court would cost them several large to get someone to show up in the physical to defend the TMO properties. And they won't do that. Why? Because they know the territory would never produce enough initiations to cover the legal expenses to protect the trademarks. They fucking know that no one can sell TM very well these days, so there's not an actual threat to them -- income-wise. And since no one cares, the dilution of the Trademarks is insignificant, and if the TMO had a vegetable cutter in the kitchen send out legalese sounding threat letters, then that would be about it -- they'd have covered their asses enough to keep their marks their legal properties. Man-o-Man, if any of the biggies wants me to donate a thousand bucks to the TMO, just offer me a nose to target with no repercussions. Yep, I would spend that to konk that honker on Tubby B. Yes, I would. I'd leave my desk right now at 10:20 P.M. and be in Fairfield in five hours flat with cash in hand. Think of the essays I could write after that!
[FairfieldLife] Yuval Noah Harari - We fight for illusions
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/11/sapiens-brief-history-humankind-yuval-noah-harari-review Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari -- review A swash-buckling account that begins with the origin of the species and ends with post-humans by Galen Strawson The Guardian, Thursday 11 September 2014 07.30 BST Human beings (members of the genus Homo) have existed for about 2.4m years. Homo sapiens, our own wildly egregious species of great apes, has only existed for 6% of that time -- about 150,000 years. So a book whose main title is Sapiens shouldn't be subtitled A Brief History of Humankind. It's easy to see why Yuval Noah Harari devotes 95% of his book to us as a species: self-ignorant as we are, we still know far more about ourselves than about other species of human beings, including several that have become extinct since we first walked the Earth. The fact remains that the history of sapiens -- Harari's name for us -- is only a very small part of the history of humankind. Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari Can its full sweep be conveyed in one fell swoop – 400 pages? Not really; it's easier to write a brief history of time -- all 14bn years -- and Harari also spends many pages on our present and possible future rather than our past. But the deep lines of the story of sapiens are fairly uncontentious, and he sets them out with verve. For the first half of our existence we potter along unremarkably; then we undergo a series of revolutions. First, the cognitive revolution: about 70,000 years ago, we start to behave in far more ingenious ways than before, for reasons that are still obscure, and we spread rapidly across the planet. About 11,000 years ago we enter on the agricultural revolution, converting in increasing numbers from foraging (hunting and gathering) to farming. The scientific revolution begins about 500 years ago. It triggers the industrial revolution, about 250 years ago, which triggers in turn the information revolution, about 50 years ago, which triggers the biotechnological revolution, which is still wet behind the ears. Harari suspects that the biotechnological revolution signals the end of sapiens: we will be replaced by bioengineered post-humans, amortal cyborgs, capable of living forever. This is one way to lay things out. Harari embeds many other momentous events, most notably the development of language: we become able to think sharply about abstract matters, cooperate in ever larger numbers, and, perhaps most crucially, gossip. There is the rise of religion and the slow overpowering of polytheisms by more or less toxic monotheisms. Then there is the evolution of money and, more importantly, credit. There is, connectedly, the spread of empires and trade as well as the rise of capitalism. Harari swashbuckles through these vast and intricate matters in a way that is -- at its best -- engaging and informative. It's a neat thought that we did not domesticate wheat. It domesticated us. There was, Harari says, a Faustian bargain between humans and grains in which our species cast off its intimate symbiosis with nature and sprinted towards greed and alienation. It was a bad bargain: the agricultural revolution was history's biggest fraud. More often than not it brought a worse diet, longer hours of work, greater risk of starvation, crowded living conditions, greatly increased susceptibility to disease, new forms of insecurity and uglier forms of hierarchy. Harari thinks we may have been better off in the stone age, and he has powerful things to say about the wickedness of factory farming, concluding with one of his many superlatives: modern industrial agriculture might well be the greatest crime in history. He accepts the common view that the fundamental structure of our emotions and desires hasn't been touched by any of these revolutions: our eating habits, our conflicts and our sexuality are all a result of the way our hunter-gatherer minds interact with our current post-industrial environment, with its mega-cities, airplanes, telephones and computers … Today we may be living in high-rise apartments with over-stuffed refrigerators, but our DNA still thinks we are in the savannah. He gives a familiar illustration – our powerful desires for sugar and fat have led to the widespread availability of foods that are primary causes of unhealthiness and ugliness. The consumption of pornography is another good example. It's just like overeating: if the minds of pornography addicts could be seen as bodies, they would look just like the grossly obese. At one point Harari claims that the leading project of the scientific revolution is the Gilgamesh Project (named after the hero of the epic who set out to destroy death): to give humankind eternal life or amortality. He is sanguine about its eventual success. But amortality isn't immortality,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confederate Dissonance
You really do need psychiatric help - who in the world was talking about mulattos??? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confederate Dissonance A mulatto? Dear MJ, I am so very sorry to be the one to bring this to you. I know you'll feel this is sort of hitting behind the lines: Jefferson Davis' wife was a mulatto. Evidently a kept woman raised up a slave by a master. I am sorry for you but quite evidently from the top down the South was hypocritical and rotten. Om, there goes the lost cause again. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/confederate-diary_n_5978128.html -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : part of what I do with my life is tell the unvarnished truth about liar Marshy and his cons, rather than whitewash and sugar coat the facts about who and what he was and what his very unpleasant legacy is. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Very nice! I'll bet she did, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
On 10/14/2014 5:51 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. /Maybe you are conning Buck, to try and make him think you care about any of the MUM students or staff.//I guess if there were any complaints they would post them on the secret MUM Facebook page. Go figure./ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
and then he canceled the TM teachers ATR credit, asked for millions to save the world but spent it on himself and screwed a lot of women telling them it was alright but not to tell - and you continue to simper and gush. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it appears the only ones who are at all interested (shall I say obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the biggest TM detractors. Fascinating. By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most interested in Hammond's November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually attend and sing a song for the audience as a warm up act. What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure. It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person of MMY and his comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have made a deep impression. With his passing I thought the reporters would lose interest in bashing the yogi. What this exchange proves to me is that most of the informants posting here were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has been defined as an obsession with a teacher and his personality. The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the TMO. So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact not practicing TM - they were just mood-making. Which is why their practice failed to work very well for them, leaving them unsatisfied and bitter. Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to try and control your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was doing up in his two-room apartment every minute of the day. http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours? I'll spend one of my very rare BINGO on this piece. Very well written and to the point ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Very nice! I'll bet she did, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw:
Mike, was hunting a part of your family tradition? How did you get into that? On Monday, October 13, 2014 11:26 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, I work with them in some capacity every day. While they are or were molting they don't fly, just sit around and be lazy but I do feed them on the fist. That keeps them in the habit of knowing that I provide food. During that time they have to be *fat* so they grow strong healthy feathers. Now that Levi's molt has finished, I've been gradually reducing his weight until he gets a sharp appetite at the same time each day. He will then respond to his training and I then take him out to large open fields , let him go and fly. I put a kite up with a lure hanging from it and he flies up to get it for the reward. Today he went up about 500 feet and by the end of the month he should be going up about 1500 ft. Then we'll go for ducks! He'll fly up several hundred feet over a pond with wild ducks and Sophie , my dog, will rush the pond and scare the ducks out of the water and the falcon then goes into a *stoop*, a dive, sometimes reaching over 250 miles an hour and hits the duck. On Monday, October 13, 2014 7:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mike, it's fascinating, a world with which I'm not at all familiar, so lots of questions. Do you work with them every day? Are there competitions? Will you breed them at some point? Tell all! I look forward to reading in the morning. On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:05 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sandy will look just like Levi in two or three more months. She was in her immature plumage at thetime of the photo and started molting since. By the end of the year she will have her *big girl* feathers in. Of course , the females in raptors are about 50% bigger than males. Levi weighs about 22 oz's and Sandy about 33 oz's. As soon as Sandy grows in a few more new feathers, I'll start getting her in shape for the fall. I'll send her up to a lure on a kite, raising it higher and higher every few days until she climbs about 1500 feet at a time. They absolutely love it! On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:49 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whoops, sorry, Mike, I skimmed the words and got focused on the pictures. The male is an amazing blue color. Krishna of the falcons (-: On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:43 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, the male(color Photo) is Levi and the female (sepia photo) is Sandy. On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:37 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mike, they are beautiful creatures. And the male has quite a steely gaze. Can you say what their names are? On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:19 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Yahoo - login from Mike Dixon included below] Levi is the first one, a male Anatum Peregrine, bred in captivity. Number two is Sandy, a Female Tundra Peregrine caught on a Texas beach a year ago tomorrow. On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:14 PM, mdixon.6569 mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Yahoo - login Forgot password or username? Create Account OR SIGN IN WITH Facebook Google View desktop version View on us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo There are competitions but I've never entered any. I might give one a try in February. As for breeding, Wild caught Peregrines like Sandy are not known for breeding in captivity, although you never know. She has tried to kill him twice! I have to keep them separated. However, hormones in the Spring could change her attitude. She could also take off and go her own merry way any time I fly her. So far, she hasn't done that. Right now , I think she realizes that she has an easy life. If I want to use Levi in a breeding program, I'd probably have to get a female bred in captivity as he was. That seems to work out well, I'm told. I think it would be cool to breed them and release them, or some of them, into the wild. Falconers have been doing this since the seventies and returned them to a healthy population from once being nearly extinct. They were taken off of the endangered species list in the late nineties. DDT had all but wiped them out by the sixties. Tundra Peregrine numbers have since returned to pre-DDT levels and Anatum Peregrine numbers are much stronger but not as much as could be.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
there is no such thing Share - we are just a lot of people who aren't afraid to see the truth and to speak it out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. /One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. / //This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. / Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge. You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than their future./ A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. /Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not complicated./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Damn. Another insight I receive from FFL posters - thanks Duve, I never thought of it that way but you are right. That is the way the TMO and Marshy always approached people and their accomplishments - They did it because of ME! Of Marshy and my Supreme Knowledge! and Buck and Share can't see what a monumental ego that lying bastard had. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Michael, I'm using cult in the broadest sense. Anyway, wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:59 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: there is no such thing Share - we are just a lot of people who aren't afraid to see the truth and to speak it out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get this man some old newspapers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw:
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mike, was hunting a part of your family tradition? How did you get into that? On Monday, October 13, 2014 11:26 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, I work with them in some capacity every day. While they are or were molting they don't fly, just sit around and be lazy but I do feed them on the fist. That keeps them in the habit of knowing that I provide food. During that time they have to be *fat* so they grow strong healthy feathers. Now that Levi's molt has finished, I've been gradually reducing his weight until he gets a sharp appetite at the same time each day. He will then respond to his training and I then take him out to large open fields , let him go and fly. I put a kite up with a lure hanging from it and he flies up to get it for the reward. Today he went up about 500 feet and by the end of the month he should be going up about 1500 ft. Then we'll go for ducks! He'll fly up several hundred feet over a pond with wild ducks and Sophie , my dog, will rush the pond and scare the ducks out of the water and the falcon then goes into a *stoop*, a dive, sometimes reaching over 250 miles an hour and hits the duck. On Monday, October 13, 2014 7:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mike, it's fascinating, a world with which I'm not at all familiar, so lots of questions. Do you work with them every day? Are there competitions? Will you breed them at some point? Tell all! I look forward to reading in the morning. On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:05 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sandy will look just like Levi in two or three more months. She was in her immature plumage at thetime of the photo and started molting since. By the end of the year she will have her *big girl* feathers in. Of course , the females in raptors are about 50% bigger than males. Levi weighs about 22 oz's and Sandy about 33 oz's. As soon as Sandy grows in a few more new feathers, I'll start getting her in shape for the fall. I'll send her up to a lure on a kite, raising it higher and higher every few days until she climbs about 1500 feet at a time. They absolutely love it! On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:49 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whoops, sorry, Mike, I skimmed the words and got focused on the pictures. The male is an amazing blue color. Krishna of the falcons (-: On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:43 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, the male(color Photo) is Levi and the female (sepia photo) is Sandy. On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:37 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mike, they are beautiful creatures. And the male has quite a steely gaze. Can you say what their names are? On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:19 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Yahoo - login from Mike Dixon included below] Levi is the first one, a male Anatum Peregrine, bred in captivity. Number two is Sandy, a Female Tundra Peregrine caught on a Texas beach a year ago tomorrow. On Monday, October 13, 2014 6:14 PM, mdixon.6569 mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Yahoo - login Forgot password or username? Create Account OR SIGN IN WITH Facebook Google View desktop version View on us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo There are competitions but I've never entered any. I might give one a try in February. As for breeding, Wild caught Peregrines like Sandy are not known for breeding in captivity, although you never know. She has tried to kill him twice! I have to keep them separated. However, hormones in the Spring could change her attitude. She could also take off and go her own merry way any time I fly her. So far, she hasn't done that. Right now , I think she realizes that she has an easy life. If I want to use Levi in a breeding program, I'd probably have to get a female bred in captivity as he was. That seems to work out well, I'm told. I think it would be cool to breed them and release them, or some of them, into the wild. Falconers have been doing this since the seventies and returned them to a healthy population from once being nearly extinct. They were taken off of the endangered species list in the late nineties. DDT had all but wiped them out by the sixties. Tundra Peregrine numbers have since returned to pre-DDT levels and Anatum Peregrine numbers are much stronger but not
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Other Cult News...
no more than your obsession with everything I say and do - why waste time Stevie? Why not post some TM positive stuff that Share can simper and gush over? That way you can both be happy. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Other Cult News... You've hit your quota early today, Michael. The quota of tying anything, in any quarter, to a deficiency of the TMO. But, you say you are not obsessed, or displaying cult-like mentality? If you say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you read his reasons for grabbling at his parishioners gonads, his excuses are as ridiculous as the crap the Movement feeds people about why they should believe all the Hindu superstition passed off as science. http://www.ohio.com/news/local/ernest-angley-s-grace-cathedral-rocked-by-accusations-involving-abortions-and-vasectomies-1.531094 Ernest Angley’s Grace Cathedral rocked by accusations in... Depending whom you ask, one of two things is happening at the big Cuyahoga Falls church run by legendary television evangelist Ernest Angley: View on www.ohio.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confederate Dissonance
Douglas! Now chil', yo gossiping be beneef yo transcendental upbringin'. You be repeatin' unsubstantiated rumors. Miss Varina didn't have nair one, nappy hair on her head! Lawd h'mercy, what is dis world comin' to? On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:26 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: You really do need psychiatric help - who in the world was talking about mulattos??? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confederate Dissonance A mulatto? Dear MJ, I am so very sorry to be the one to bring this to you. I know you'll feel this is sort of hitting behind the lines: Jefferson Davis' wife was a mulatto. Evidently a kept woman raised up a slave by a master. I am sorry for you but quite evidently from the top down the South was hypocritical and rotten. Om, there goes the lost cause again. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/confederate-diary_n_5978128.html -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Quantum jump! And the end of the internet?
Powerful quantum computers move a step closer to reality http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/14/quantum-computers-public-encryption http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/14/quantum-computers-public-encryption Powerful quantum computers move a step closer to reality http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/14/quantum-computers-public-encryption A research team from Australia has pushed quantum computers closer to fruition, but a former NSA director warns that the technology could break encrypt... View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/14/quantum-computers-public-encryption Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
thanks for these insights, Richard. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:06 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge. You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than their future. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Like. On 10/14/2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:24 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks... Really? It's Richard at his best alright. You do have rose-colored glasses on m'dear. A boy's best friend. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it appears the only ones who are at all interested (shall I say obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the biggest TM detractors. Fascinating. By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most interested in Hammond's November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually attend and sing a song for the audience as a warm up act. What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure. It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person of MMY and his comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have made a deep impression. With his passing I thought the reporters would lose interest in bashing the yogi. What this exchange proves to me is that most of the informants posting here were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has been defined as an obsession with a teacher and his personality. The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the TMO. So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact not practicing TM - they were just mood-making. Which is why their practice failed to work very well for them, leaving them unsatisfied and bitter. Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to try and control your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was doing up in his two-room apartment every minute of the day. http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand. If they endorse him you might mock them for being so gullible and stupid. Explain it to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Quotable Quote http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/159921.Emma_Lazarus “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door. ― Emma Lazarus http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/159921.Emma_Lazarus “Give me your wired, your sore, Your muddled asses urinating to bereave freely, From ratcheted abuses to my reaming bore. Send these, the domeless, temptress-tossed, to me: I sift thy gold and want so much more.” -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Ann, I enjoy being liked by people I like. Wishing you the same... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:57 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/13/2014 11:30 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I'm surprised that you, being such a scientist, was not aware of this document which NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001595826 I suppose whoever the astronomer royal is will get a nod and inform the government but the church will have to just cope somehow, it isn't like the old days when people really believed them ahead of the scientists and to remain credible they've had to go back on so much of the dogma there isn't much left for their gods to do anyway. The Muslims seem unreformed enough that they might find it hard to cope that they aren't anything special in god's eyes. If a message from the stars is received I'd be tempted to sit on it until it's decoded to see if it's a threat, We'll be their in five of your Earth years. Be afraid. Is the sort of thing that you might want a contingency plan for. I can't see the government doing anything other than fuck it all up though. Unless we get the slick and sophisticated shadow government involved, if they can bring down the WTC without anyone noticing they might just be good enough ;-) This video might help with your paranoia of conspiracy theories. :-D http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However NASA was advised at the beginning of our space age to be careful if they discover any evidence of intelligent life especially things like alien space craft or outposts. So don't count on hearing from them any time soon about anything they find along that line or have already found. The fear is it would cause upheaval from religious institutions who believe that some magic man in the sky invented things just 6000 years ago. On 10/13/2014 02:01 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not a very good source of information here. NASA indeed thinks that life could have originated on Mars in the past, and possibly still exists today, but it would be micro-organisms, like bacteria. Temperatures on Mars range from about 20°C to below -100°C, averaging somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40°C most of the time. It is a frozen desert now. The life they expect they could find would be something like the micro-organisms found in the dry valleys in Antarctica, which live inside of rocks slightly beneath the rock's exterior surfaces. More likely, were signs of life to be found, it would be fossil evidence of life from the distant past when Mars had more atmosphere and surface water. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, The NASA chief recently stated that there may be life forms that exist on Mars today. Here's the link: http://www.examiner.com/article/ufo-enthusiasts-spot-odd-objects-on-mars-maybe-curiosity-wasn-t-first-explorer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Anyone on this forum who would brag about rich and/or famous would immediately be accused of being narcissistic. Best to keep it under wraps. Who knows who lurks behind those mystery handles? :-D On 10/14/2014 07:46 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yuval Noah Harari - We fight for illusions
OMG, this book is a banquet table groaning with ideas that will make one think. Some of my favorites: agriculture as the biggest fraud in human history toxic monotheisms how only Europeans set out in a major way, to conquer other lands Author also tackles suffering and happiness and what is real. All in all, I might have to read the book itself! OTOH, I think he talked too much about stories and not enough about mirror neurons. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:03 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari-- review A swash-buckling account that begins with the origin of the species and ends with post-humans by Galen Strawson The Guardian, Thursday 11 September 2014 07.30 BST Human beings (members of the genus Homo) have existed for about 2.4m years. Homo sapiens, our own wildly egregious species of great apes, has only existed for 6% of that time -- about 150,000 years. So a book whose main title is Sapiens shouldn't be subtitled A Brief History of Humankind. It's easy to see why Yuval Noah Harari devotes 95% of his book to us as a species: self-ignorant as we are, we still know far more about ourselves than about other species of human beings, including several that have become extinct since we first walked the Earth. The fact remains that the history of sapiens -- Harari's name for us -- is only a very small part of the history of humankind. Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari Can its full sweep be conveyed in one fell swoop – 400 pages? Not really; it's easier to write a brief history of time -- all 14bn years -- and Harari also spends many pages on our present and possible future rather than our past. But the deep lines of the story of sapiens are fairly uncontentious, and he sets them out with verve. For the first half of our existence we potter along unremarkably; then we undergo a series of revolutions. First, the cognitive revolution: about 70,000 years ago, we start to behave in far more ingenious ways than before, for reasons that are still obscure, and we spread rapidly across the planet. About 11,000 years ago we enter on the agricultural revolution, converting in increasing numbers from foraging (hunting and gathering) to farming. The scientific revolution begins about 500 years ago. It triggers the industrial revolution, about 250 years ago, which triggers in turn the information revolution, about 50 years ago, which triggers the biotechnological revolution, which is still wet behind the ears. Harari suspects that the biotechnological revolution signals the end of sapiens: we will be replaced by bioengineered post-humans, amortal cyborgs, capable of living forever. This is one way to lay things out. Harari embeds many other momentous events, most notably the development of language: we become able to think sharply about abstract matters, cooperate in ever larger numbers, and, perhaps most crucially, gossip. There is the rise of religion and the slow overpowering of polytheisms by more or less toxic monotheisms. Then there is the evolution of money and, more importantly, credit. There is, connectedly, the spread of empires and trade as well as the rise of capitalism. Harari swashbuckles through these vast and intricate matters in a way that is -- at its best -- engaging and informative. It's a neat thought that we did not domesticate wheat. It domesticated us. There was, Harari says, a Faustian bargain between humans and grains in which our species cast off its intimate symbiosis with nature and sprinted towards greed and alienation. It was a bad bargain: the agricultural revolution was history's biggest fraud. More often than not it brought a worse diet, longer hours of work, greater risk of starvation, crowded living conditions, greatly increased susceptibility to disease, new forms of insecurity and uglier forms of hierarchy. Harari thinks we may have been better off in the stone age, and he has powerful things to say about the wickedness of factory farming, concluding with one of his many superlatives: modern industrial agriculture might well be the greatest crime in history. He accepts the common view that the fundamental structure of our emotions and desires hasn't been touched by any of these revolutions: our eating habits, our conflicts and our sexuality are all a result of the way our hunter-gatherer minds interact with our current post-industrial environment, with its mega-cities, airplanes, telephones and computers … Today we may be living in high-rise apartments with over-stuffed refrigerators, but our DNA still thinks we are in the savannah. He gives a familiar illustration – our powerful desires for sugar and fat have led to the widespread availability of foods that are primary causes of unhealthiness and ugliness. The consumption of pornography is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Maharishi always liked the expression, The proof is in the pudding, and I love pudding! An overcast, and cool day today. Went for a swim, wearing my rashguard, and then cooked a good breakfast - Now watching the turkey vultures begin to catch the updrafts, rising from the canyon, circling so efficiently, upwards. A beautiful world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours? I'll spend one of my very rare BINGO on this piece. Very well written and to the point ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Very nice! I'll bet she did, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe? The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so many long term TM'ers? We will see. Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand. If they endorse him you might mock them for being so gullible and stupid. Explain it to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quantum jump! And the end of the internet?
salyavin, great article but honestly! Does that NSA guy really think we think that they haven't already broken a lot of encryptions?! Jeez! On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Powerful quantum computers move a step closer to reality Powerful quantum computers move a step closer to reality A research team from Australia has pushed quantum computers closer to fruition, but a former NSA director warns that the technology could break encrypt... View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
On 10/14/2014 12:17 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maharishi always liked the expression, The proof is in the pudding, and I love pudding! Actually I think that was George Harrison who said that: /The proof of the pudding is in the eating./ Maharishi liked to say: /The difference is the same as between day and night. To remove the darkness, you simply turn on the light. Like that, you illuminate the darkness and let your Light shine./ An overcast, and cool day today. Went for a swim, wearing my rashguard, and then cooked a good breakfast - Now watching the turkey vultures begin to catch the updrafts, rising from the canyon, circling so efficiently, upwards. A beautiful world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours? I'll spend one of my very rare BINGO on this piece. Very well written and to the point ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Very nice! I'll bet she did, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
A truly sad and amazing statistic. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest? Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A truly sad and amazing statistic. Yes indeed, I got no satisfaction from it whatsoever... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest? Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/13/2014 11:30 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Do you have any documentary evidence for that claim? I know there is a list of people who get called if a major discovery is made but the government aren't on it but I doubt the government could keep it quiet even if they wanted to. The biggest worry when announcing a discovery of alien life is if they get it wrong and it turns out to be a non-intelligent natural phenomena like pulsars or something strange like that. I'm surprised that you, being such a scientist, was not aware of this document which NASA commissioned the Brookings Institute to do. What would me being a scientist have to do with whether or not I know about a document from the 1960s about preparations for changes in society due to space exploration? Besides, there isn't anything in there about what we are talking about. I did find this: Certain potential products or consequences of space activities imply such a high degree of change in world conditions that it would be unprofitable within the purview of this report to propose research on them. Examples include a controlled thermonuclear fusion rocket power source and face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrials There is certainly nothing else in the index, perhaps you could point me to any relevant page to save me reading it all. Well gee, I thought a man of letters like you would have wanted to read the whole thing. Google is your friend (though not too friendly to Android developers these days) so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Report And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE **
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
On 10/14/2014 10:29 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : part of what I do with my life is tell the unvarnished truth about liar Marshy and his cons, rather than whitewash and sugar coat the facts about who and what he was and what his very unpleasant legacy is. But why continue to do it here? How much of what you say is any different from what you have been saying before? I get it. How many times do you have to keep saying the same things? bawee is the same in his repetition - post after post. I'm not deaf and blind and dead. I get it already. You have an opinion about the Movement and TM and MMY but when is it enough? This is not a world audience here. Your message is not unique. Those who disagree with you have not changed their opinion based on your constant haranguing here and those who already agree with you just mouth the same ideas so we are all barraged with the same message in triplicate. It's not that I care if you hate the things you hate and revile, it's just that I wish you could make it a little more interesting and fresh. Say something new. /So, I wonder how that Kung Foo practice is working out for him? Apparently there is some cognitive dissonance going on. He recently posted that he has been practicing Qigong for two years. Everyone knows that Qigong practice is just like TM rounding and TMSP. Go figure. /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance.
[FairfieldLife] Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem
See what TM does for these people, imagine what it could do for MJ and the Turq ! Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ Transcription: That lifestyle, being homeless, it's a very, very lonely, lonely, depressing... you're saying yes to a l... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
It is a tough thing to admit, but I like several flavors** of the zombie pudding at the supermarket, that sits on the shelves, forever, without refrigeration, that will basically survive a nuclear blast, with flavor and texture, intact. I don't want to know how they do it, but it is tasty. **(Chocolate, Chocolate fudge, and Tapioca -- a distant third) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:17 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maharishi always liked the expression, The proof is in the pudding, and I love pudding! Actually I think that was George Harrison who said that: The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Maharishi liked to say: The difference is the same as between day and night. To remove the darkness, you simply turn on the light. Like that, you illuminate the darkness and let your Light shine. An overcast, and cool day today. Went for a swim, wearing my rashguard, and then cooked a good breakfast - Now watching the turkey vultures begin to catch the updrafts, rising from the canyon, circling so efficiently, upwards. A beautiful world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours? I'll spend one of my very rare BINGO on this piece. Very well written and to the point ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Very nice! I'll bet she did, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Suicide in Fairfield: The Maharishi Effect
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-) You overvalue this conspiracy stuff, 2+2 actually does equal 4. The problem with the AE9/11 site is that there is no evidence for their beliefs, let alone anything that qualifies as hard science. The lengths they go to so it fits into the deliberate demolition narrative are absurd. Who the hell could have done it, and got away with it, without anyone noticing! What they have is an argument from personal incredulity - they don't understand so it can't be true. They don;t seem to be able to accept the evidence in front of them, I don;t blame them it was a weird day, in fact it's much more logical to accuse them of the sort of dissonance the psychologist in your video was talking about. if you watch the video of WTC7 collapsing of course it looks suspicious, but they don;t give you any of the facts that might help you judge whether their analysis is the correct one. Here's what you don;t see from the perspective of the video: As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The building was equipped with a sprinkler system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler_system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-39[40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-40 After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-41 Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-42[43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-43 During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38 In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-nist-questions-9At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-hayden-44 During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Animal Life Forms on Mars
Suit yourself, I'm just not ever going to buy the official story. I've had years on this issue and to me you just sound like a newbie to it all and very, very naive. On 10/14/2014 02:15 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:28 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/14/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And don't forget this video to help with your phobia: http://youtu.be/5bUlTR6uOFE I've been googling for this hard scientific evidence she talks about. No luck yet. I'm sure the truth is out there. It is and you don't have to try that hard. You just don't want to find it. My guess is she means something different than I do when she says hard evidence. Theories about them having to have used nuclear bombs to bring down two of the three WTC buildings does not qualify, for instance. You might try the architects and engineers site about 9/11. You must have not watched the whole video because hard evidence was covered in terms of where to find it. But then it's useless for me to argue with you because if I said 2+2=4 you would argue it doesn't. But my current transits show that people will disagree with me but just for a few more days. ;-) You overvalue this conspiracy stuff, 2+2 actually does equal 4. The problem with the AE9/11 site is that there is no evidence for their beliefs, let alone anything that qualifies as hard science. The lengths they go to so it fits into the deliberate demolition narrative are absurd. Who the hell could have done it, and got away with it, without anyone noticing! What they have is an argument from personal incredulity - they don't understand so it can't be true. They don;t seem to be able to accept the evidence in front of them, I don;t blame them it was a weird day, in fact it's much more logical to accuse them of the sort of dissonance the psychologist in your video was talking about. if you watch the video of WTC7 collapsing /of course/ it looks suspicious, but they don;t give you any of the facts that might help you judge whether their analysis is the correct one. Here's what you don;t see from the perspective of the video: As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building^[38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-june2004-38 and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.^[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.^[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-ncstar1-a-8 The building was equipped with a sprinkler system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler_system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.^[39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-39 ^[40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-40 After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.^[41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-41 Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.^[42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-42 ^[43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-43 During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.^[38]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
On 10/14/2014 12:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A truly sad and amazing statistic. /Just try to keep your U.S. passport up to date and have $1,096 on your debit card for a ticket back to Houston./ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:28 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest? Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html image http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
hey, you are doing a good job, (in your mind, at least) if that is your goal. the thought occurred to me, MJ, that you, like others, may have had the situation where the battery on your cell phone seems to run out of juice too soon. You check it out, and find that you have too many apps or features running which use up all the power. so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : part of what I do with my life is tell the unvarnished truth about liar Marshy and his cons, rather than whitewash and sugar coat the facts about who and what he was and what his very unpleasant legacy is. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
Yes I am far far more than , THAT, I worked hrd saved hard best of all invested wisely in of free stock market -Original Message- From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 5:58 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest? On 10/14/2014 12:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A truly sad and amazingstatistic. Just try to keep your U.S. passport up to date and have $1,096 on your debit card for a ticket back to Houston. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest? Areyou among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph Areyou among the world'swealthiest? - Telegraph If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Michael, I hope you find the Cinderella story you are so desperately seeking. Until then, spend your time on the bashing. I guess another word for self medication. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : there is no such thing Share - we are just a lot of people who aren't afraid to see the truth and to speak it out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring! From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
in your case, you've got it backwards. good luck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you wind up doing is wallowing in the manure and calling it flowers From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ, I prefer to focus on what's beneficial and leave the rest. I believe in dealing with negativity as efficiently as possible rather than wallowing in it. I think wallowing in negativity leads to more of the same, including lack of good health. Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: and then he canceled the TM teachers ATR credit, asked for millions to save the world but spent it on himself and screwed a lot of women telling them it was alright but not to tell - and you continue to simper and gush. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, I'll give you something more important. And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their critical, life changing, important and ever fresh, insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem
Yes, anyone not established in Being, is already homeless. Very heartening to see this story, and enjoying your dry sense of humor, as always. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : See what TM does for these people, imagine what it could do for MJ and the Turq ! Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg Empowering Homeless Men in Harlem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ Transcription: That lifestyle, being homeless, it's a very, very lonely, lonely, depressing... you're saying yes to a l... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qH6VgH1LZg Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Suicide in Fairfield: The Maharishi Effect
Excellent article - well researched, and balanced. Thanks for sharing it. Glad MUM is getting the wake-up call. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Suicide in Fairfield: Iowa town struggles with mental health awareness | Little Village http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/ http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/ Suicide in Fairfield: Iowa town struggles with mental he... http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/ Available online and published twice a month, Little Village covers Iowa City events, news, music, film and more -- all from a refreshing, local perspective. View on littlevillagemag.com http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : hey, you are doing a good job, (in your mind, at least) if that is your goal. the thought occurred to me, MJ, that you, like others, may have had the situation where the battery on your cell phone seems to run out of juice too soon. You check it out, and find that you have too many apps or features running which use up all the power. so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? To which I say,Why and when did he get so lazy and uncaring? It takes nothing to be sloppy, slapdash and careless. Those kinds of people are a dime a dozen.
[FairfieldLife] Yogic FLYING YES!!
To paraphrase Yoko Ono, even just one inch in the air you are flying in the sky! Jai Guru Dev,Jai Maharishi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It is a tough thing to admit, but I like several flavors** of the zombie pudding at the supermarket, that sits on the shelves, forever, without refrigeration, that will basically survive a nuclear blast, with flavor and texture, intact. I don't want to know how they do it, but it is tasty. **(Chocolate, Chocolate fudge, and Tapioca -- a distant third)
[FairfieldLife] 50,000 new Flyers now
today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers within 3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of thousands of blissful yogis flying high! can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html New Time Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time line to choose earlier broadcast. MORE... View on maharishichannel.in http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you among the world's wealthiest?
Appears that humbler countries do better at happiness than greedier countries. Makes sense. One thing I learned about income: the more you are paid the more that is expected of you and if you fail you fall hard. On 10/14/2014 05:23 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, then there are the interesting comparisons bt wealth and happiness: You Can't Buy Happiness: Richest Nations vs. Happiest Nations - NerdWallet News http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/featured-articles/richest-nations-happiest-nations/ image http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/featured-articles/richest-nations-happiest-nations/ You Can't Buy Happiness: Richest Nations vs. Happiest Na... http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/featured-articles/richest-nations-happiest-nations/ America’s “pursuit of happiness” is so important that it’s written into the Declaration of Independence, but the United States lags in that race compared to ... View on www.nerdwallet.com http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/finance/featured-articles/richest-nations-happiest-nations/ Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:07 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting number or living on $10 a day. Some of this is relative because a lot of places have a much lower cost of living than first world nations. And much of the standard of living in the first world nations is artificial and based on credit. On 10/14/2014 10:28 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html image http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Are you among the world's wealthiest? - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html If you have $3,650, you’re among the wealthiest half of people in the world, according to Credit Suisse's new report on global wealth. In numbers and charts, w... View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11161150/Are-you-among-the-worlds-wealthiest.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe? I think we are talking about two things here. I think Feste is saying (and Feste can correct me here) that no one he has spoken to in FF care about George's message from Maharishi from beyond the grave. I think Buck is speaking about something quite different. He is talking about the letter sent out to the Governors from Hagelin. I think the mere fact that Hagelin bothered to send a letter to a select group created interest when there may have been none if he hadn't sent the letter. I think the interest was more in the fact of the necessity in Hagelin's mind to send a letter than interest in what George has to say. But now, the more attention Hagelin and Jerry give to this event the more interest there will be in the whole thing. Great, it could be captivating entertainment - not only the messages themselves but, and even more so in my mind, all of the gyrations people are going through in advance of the actual lecture presentation. The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. Here is where I am confused. What aspect of this is a debacle? The fact that Hagelin and Jerry are saying two different things, or are they? What can anyone really say about this that would be based on anything but conjecture until the poor man (George) has a chance to speak his mind. I mean, I don't believe he is communicating with the deceased MMY but I am only guessing here. For all I know he plays bridge with him every night and watches reruns of The Odd Couple as well. People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so many long term TM'ers? We will see. I never saw anything that Jerry said about this. Do you have a copy? Was it posted here somewhere? Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful. In what way is this showing the Movement as it really is? I am not actually debating you here, I am just unclear what it is you find so bad that the Movement is doing in this case. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 50,000 new Flyers now
what a joke - we all know it won't happen - they are scrapping and begging to donations to make it happen - that's the only explanation - they know it won't create peace even in Fairfield - they only get pundit riots From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 50,000 new Flyers now today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers within 3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of thousands of blissful yogis flying high! can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on Maharishi Channel 3 Maharishi Channel 3 New Time Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time line to choose earlier broadcast. MORE... View on maharishichannel.in Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. OK MJ, so are you saying that people should take George seriously in his purported ability to basically channel (for that is what it is, he is providing a conduit between Maharishi and others using himself as the telephone wire) MMY and that the Movement should recognize George's messages as valid? What the fuck are you actually saying?? Would you be happier with the Movement if they didn't censure George or if they did? For me, I would have to put my vote on the censure. And if the Movement were to hold any credibility they would have to poo poo it too. I mean, c'mon, this guy is a grandstanding publicity seeker. Whatever Maharishi had to say he most certainly said it while he was alive. Wouldn't it be fantastic if the message from Maharishi was, Weather's great, wish you could be here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Om.. and would bet that someone from this law firm also specializing in trademark enforcement is going to at least watch the Hammond Nov. 30 TM video link, if not be there at the meeting: Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth Ingersoll http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth Ingersoll http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 Mark L. Zaiger is an Attorney and Senior Vice President at SI whose practice focuses on labor and employment law, commercial litigation, trade secrets, non-compete cases and federal court litigation. Mark was named the Best Lawyers’ Cedar Rapids Employment Law - Manag... View on www.shuttleworthlaw.com http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 Preview by Yahoo Teaching TM independently, like the UK way: In the UK, as Sal says: The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. In the USA: “But Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
[FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal.
[FairfieldLife] Irish Cross on Mars
The rover Opportunity found this unusual marking on the planet. Does anyone have a logical explanation? http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-cross-embedded-mars-rock-opportunity-rover-photos-ancient-symbol http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-cross-embedded-mars-rock-opportunity-rover-photos-ancient-symbol
