[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy's Marketing

[Joe]

Follow the money, follow the money ...


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
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> On 2/9/2014 5:09 PM, awoelflebater@... wrote:
> > Girish and the Srivastavas boys will then sell the entire campus to 
> > developers
>  >
> Is there any evidence that Girish and the Srivastava boys own the MUM 
> campus?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_University_of_Management
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy's Marketing

[Joe]

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's SO obvious! Why is this even worthy 
of discussion?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> What you are seeing with the Movement is a very carefully orchestrated tactic 
> to sanitize TM as much as possible to re-sell it to the ignorant masses. The 
> idea of disassociating TM from Maharishi should be taken as an insult to him, 
> if you really think he and what he did were the best thing since sliced 
> bread, but I know you don't because you, like all TB'ers, will swallow 
> anything the Movement tells you to swallow (except stuff in your case, that 
> keeps people out of the Domes)
> 
> This offering TM and no longer mentioning Marshy or minimizing his presence 
> and role to the public is the same as not having any mention or presence of 
> the rajas at MUM during Visitor's Weekend there. They are hiding what has 
> been and what is. 
> 
> Too bad for them, because you can't escape your karmic baggage forever - the 
> excesses and unconscionable behavior of Marshy, Bevan, Hagelin and the 
> Movement at large will be made public eventually and the general public will 
> turn them out to pasture. When this happens, MUM will lose its accreditation, 
> Girish and the Srivastavas boys will then sell the entire campus to 
> developers who want to build some houses that make sense, the vastu buildings 
> are all torn down, the Domes are used as grain storage silos until the grain 
> dealers realize the Domes have mold problems and they are then torn down 
> completely. Some former students will come to town right before they are 
> demolished to have their pictures taken in front of the buildings they used 
> to have sex on in the summertime. 
> 
> Since the US is not contributing enough revenue for Girish, he will cease the 
> payments to the American rajas who will then come camp out in YOUR pasture. 
> Let's see how long you let them camp there. 
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> On Sun, 2/9/14, dhamiltony2k5@...  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Marshy's Marketing
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Sunday, February 9, 2014, 9:41 PM   
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>  
>  MJ,
>  Okay so you are not necessarily anti- transcending
>  meditation
>  although you are down in the mouth about some things TM and
>  some
>  people TM.   And by what you are writing you feel Maharishi
>  evidently
>  morally compromised himself but responding to criticism like
>  yours
>  Maharishi has been taken out of the TM presentation now. 
>  
>  
>  They
>  refer to the transcending yogic origins but no longer, “as
>  taught
>  by MMY”.  TM now is standing on the basis of the accrued
>  scientific
>  research.  Rightfully so.  That was the revolutionary
>  accomplishment
>  of Maharishi to effectively depersonalize it in the end to
>  be the
>  universal teaching of transcending meditation. Say what you
>  will
>  about Maharishi otherwise he was masterful as a great
>  spiritual
>  teacher and he even out-foxed the wolves of materialism of
>  Wall
>  Street getting their money to do it.  It is to the point now
>  where he
>  himself forced a change to depersonalize transcending
>  meditation as
>  the meditation state that other meditation practices and
>  spiritual
>  practices are now compared to.I'd say he played the
>  whole game
>  pretty well capturing the fort and all the territories along
>  with it.
>   Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!  You seen that bumpersticker?  “He who
>  dies with
>  the most toys wins.”   Well, well.  A life well lived. 
>  You still
>  read like you are hurt and jealous of something.  I hope you
>  can
>  heal. 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  And
>  TM, its Truth keeps marching on.
>  Glory,
>  Glory Hallelujah!  
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>  -Buck
>  in the Dome
>  
>  MJ,
>  I don't feel some guy from South
>  Carolina should or even can stand in front of transcendent
>  meditation manifesting like it is.  Like the equal rights in
>  emancipation was
>  bound to happen; the freeing of the slaves no matter how
>  much the
>  slave power of ignorant racism in ole South Carolina stood
>  in front of it.  This
>  meditation is also in the manifest destiny of the Unified
>  Field in
>  the life of these United States of America too.  This
>  transcendent meditative state is ultimately about equal
>  rights for all.  You are pissing in to
>  the wind of destiny and that is no good.  Turn around fur
>  the Christ's sake of the Unified Field if not for your
>  own sake!Love,
>   -Buck in the Dome
>  mjackson74
>  writes:
>  Obviously
>  you are living in some sort of Alice -in-Wonderland dream
>  world to ask such questions - I am not anti-TM, only a
>  realist. I merely put together a timeline of what M and the
>  TMO has sold and when they did it. Its always been about the
>  money. And I have created an updated version - look for it
>  on other web pages soon.
>  Dear MJ, you
>  seem
>  jealous of the Maharishi in p

[FairfieldLife] Re: HC grants bail to Girish Verma

[Joe]

Follow the money, follow the money …


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
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> Om Dear Merudanda,
>  
>  Jeesus H. X-mas, this latest breaking report is nauseating.   As a common 
> meditator this news report of yours from on the ground there makes me want to 
> take a shower and meditate again this morning just to re-clear the auric 
> field again.
>  Is this a beginning of an end or a beginning of something?  Is there any 
> hope?
>  -Buck
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>  Merudanda Reports:
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>  Let's not forget that according to some publication and report Girish 
> Chandra Varma(GCV) owns himself  only 7000 crore worth of property. (7000 
> crore rupees or 1.5 Billion US ) but his cash income are for e.g. one of many 
> the National Yagyas for Syria with more than $250,000 contributed -then 2013 
> -by 34 countries(Global news: "resulting in an unprecedented wave of peaceful 
> cooperation in the Middle East") and ... and .. and
> "His" Maharishi Vedic Pandits and all the students at various education 
> institutions chanted, perform powerful yagya and pray for his release for  
> about one month.
> When will they ask for yagya donation for him and how it will be called?
> Seems to be that most posters, lurkers,mindful readers at FFL and elsewhere 
> are not aware that they are critical voices even in the inner TMO circle who 
> question his ill-advised inflammatory claim being a "martyr of the God"(no 
> wonder the court forbids him public statement and contact with the press),and 
> GCV's handling his private "always life supporting peaceful in harmony with 
> Natural Law"affair (let's not forget both accuser has been  his private 
> secretaries and being in his life supporting harmonizing enviroment for 
> years).
>  And there are quite a few' knower of Indian" ritual who question  especially 
> the ill-advised and ignorant almost catastrophically   
> Shivalingam-installation affair  during "inauguration and the auspicious day 
> of Vasant Panchami the Day "
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/337429
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/337429
> 
> Does the concept  “heyam dukham anagatam,” or “avert the danger before 
> it arises” rings a bell? This has been performed, constantly "enliven" and 
> supervised by GCV for about according his own claim for about 30 years.(other 
> claims are being directed guide by  divine contact and inspiration by MMY)
> With disgust some, including me, remembers GVC's public defense elaborating 
> why  he personally against the will of MMY took charge in India- what MMY 
> private and public stern oppose . Remembering he was then mis- using IMHO the 
> concept  of (quote):"Maharishi IS Brahman" therefore by his holy 
> inclusiveness of the unity of opposite if he says "No" it's means "Yes", too. 
> And his "forbidding  and resistance" is only a test  to realize MMY's Brahman 
> -nature.
> Seems in the mean time he  has reached his Brahman- nature.See Maharishi 
> Vedic Pandits throwing flower over him, chanting and praying
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> Vedic pandits welcoming Brahmachari Dr. Girish Ji, Hona'ble Chancellor MMYVV 
> by offering Shawl and Srifal & flowers
> Interesting will Nandkishor stay in his new power and position?
> 
>  
> 
>  O
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: So sad

[Joe]

Yes, very tough day. My buddy Bill was just at Sundance where PSH was in two 
new films; God's Pocket and A Most Wanted Man. He said that PSH looked great 
and was in wonderfully insightful form at the Q and Q sessions afterwards.

Such a painful loss. I feel crushed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "TurquoiseB"  wrote:
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> Feeling for those of us who so blazed across the sky like comet-fingers
> pointing to the far edges of possibility, and of human talent, only to
> burn out before reaching them...
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-de_n_4\
> 713597.html?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nobody is missing.

[Joe]

Exactly right. I'm actually surprised Nabby would try to hang his hat on such a 
silly thing when so many (like me) have heard otherwise direct from Marshy's 
mouth.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there are plenty of people who were standing in the same room with Marshy 
> when he railed about the CIA infiltrating the Movement, including a few who 
> have posted here - if you deny it you are pitiful.
> 
> On Sun, 2/2/14, nablusoss1008  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Nobody is missing.
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Sunday, February 2, 2014, 2:54 PM
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld talks Transcendental Meditation at David Lynch Foundation Gala

[Joe]

The Srivastava/Varma clan felt quite full, thank you very much.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:
>
> I was at this one. You sure do not get much to eat for $1000. Seinfeld was 
> fun though.
>

[FairfieldLife] Srivastava-Varma clan / David Miscavige and Scientology

[Joe]

The Srivastava/Varma clan do exactly what David Miscavige and Scientology have 
done to rake in funds: you set up a goal that is "almost" realizable and then 
you say we are ALMOST there, just a few more pundits, just a few more 
donations. If only we could just get a bit closer to the magic percentage THEN 
we could have world peace!

Miscavige and Scientology have been a similar scam … they've been raising 
donations for over 20 years for a big magic building in Clearwater FL called 
"The Super Power Building". When Scientology members finally began to realize 
that over 100 times the amount of money needed to build this thing had been 
raised, Miscavige realized they better put up something … late in 2013 this 
building was finally opened in order to stop the exodus of members. How will 
they deal with the fact that no one achieves super powers? (Most likely by 
re-focusing on the global "planet clearing" goals in the same manner that the 
TMO focuses on the global ME.)

By the way, the new teaching that is supposed to happen in this building is 
called "The Golden Age of Tech-2". Sound familiar? Towns that meet certain fund 
raising goals are called "Ideal Cities and Towns." Ring a bell?  (BTW, a great 
source of Scientology info is Tony Ortega's Underground Bunker.)

How has the TMO (aka the family) raked in the funds since the mid-70s? Through 
a variety of means, but the most prevalent has been to ride on the so-called 
"Maharishi Effect" (god, what a humble man he was …) in an effort to move the 
focus from personal enlightenment (which simply wasn't happening) to global 
world peace. IF ONLY we could get the correct percentage of people meditating 
then we'd have it!

People … isn't it obvious by now that you will never be allowed to have the 
right percentage of mediators in FF or anywhere else! The whole scam would fall 
apart if that ever happened … it would draw back the curtains on the wizard of 
Oz. If you actually ever got the magic number then true believers would expect 
something … something like results … something like the world peace that was 
promised.

And that simply cannot ever be allowed! The greatest way to rake in more money 
is to keep a perpetual state of "we're close, just a bit more money and we can 
attain the magic number of pundits/meditators to achieve world peace." The 
message: if you don't keep giving then YOU are responsible for the hunger, 
poverty and war in the world. 

Back to Scientology, the goal is called "clearing the planet" and that has 
taken on equal importance over the years to becoming an Operating Thetan … the 
Scientology equivalent of higher states.

How cool is it to feel so very special to the world that you have this kind of 
control and importance? The special bus indeed!

Follow the money people, follow the money ….


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Thank you for posting this. I appreciate it. You notice that all those who 
> were claiming there are no missing pundits are silent on your post. 
> 
> On Sat, 2/1/14, Zoran Krneta  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Missing Pundits
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Saturday, February 1, 2014, 3:30 PM
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>  was a good one, you could saw him on most broadcasts in the
>  time of Global Country inauguration, he had family, he
>  complained again and again about the money, finally he was
>  paid in Raams which is useless and unrecognized currency.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing Pundits

[Joe]

Is it good? So what is the stipend now Feste? Double, say $600? Triple?

Still way below the poverty line. What will it take for folks to wake up and 
realize that the money all goes to the Varma and Srivastava clan? Follow the 
money people, follow the money!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> That is good to know, but I understand they still have no benefits and no 
> retirement
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> On Sat, 2/1/14, feste37  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Missing Pundits
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Saturday, February 1, 2014, 3:34 AM
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>  Tell that to the
>  professors who make only 300 a month and have no benefits
>  and no retirement. Go figure
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>   On Sat, 2/1/14, Richard J. Williams
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[FairfieldLife] The New Maharishi Effect: 10% Missing Pundits

[Joe]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/01/indian-vedic-students-go-missing-us-20141275127398488.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment

[Joe]

Indeed it is. Are you surprised?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Wait, is this the same person who is related to MMY and is the head of the TM 
> org in India?  The one who is in the photos we see of events in India?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, 
> > > there's gonna be trouble.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around 
> > > > it now,  for all the good people who work properly with extreme 
> > > > propriety to make things work well and achieve great things.  This is 
> > > > disheartening sickening.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in
> > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this 
> > > > > > year at
> > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal 
> > > > > > couple of
> > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) 
> > > > > > alleging
> > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her 
> > > > > > along
> > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on 
> > > > > > errands
> > > > > > and then molest her.
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> > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when 
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a
> > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that 
> > > > > > he sent
> > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's 
> > > > > > image on
> > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Ladies lunch

[Joe]

May women attend or is this just for "ladies"?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Dome Announcements 
> > Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Ladies lunch
> > Date: August 6, 2012 10:53:03 AM CDT
> > To: Dome-L 
> > 
> > All ladies are invited to enjoy lunch together on Wednesday, August 8,
> > 11:45 to 2:00.
> > 
> > Get your lunch in the regular line and bring it to the North Dining Hall.
> > 
> > This lunch is an opportunity to meet new friends, enjoy the company of old
> > friends, and share our bliss.
> > 
> > Let us be together and let us eat together!
> > 
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> > ps   The menu includes Vegetable Lasagna and Cherry Cheesecake Bar
> > 
> > pss  Please invite your friends.
> > 
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the
> > Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to
> > owner-dome-l@...
> > 
> > Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail
> > message to dome-l-request@..., and put the word "subscribe" (without the
> > quotation marks) in the body of the message.
> > 
> > To stop receiving DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, send an e-mail message to:
> > dome-l-request@..., and type the word "unsubscribe" (without the
> > quotation marks) in the body of the message.
> > 
> > Or you can send an email to jkarpen@... to be added or removed from the
> > list.
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Hey Judy, I'm OK. I hardly ever check in anymore but I did see that interview 
with my good friend Judith and that made me think of FFL and ...well, here I 
am. I don't know how anyone could see or sit with Judith and doubt her 
truthfulness about her relationship with MMY. She remains one of the sweetest 
women my wife and I have ever met.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
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> Hey, Joe, how you doon? Long time no type.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of
> > awareness".
> 
> I don't think it's Dan making these posts.
> 
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>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
> > >
> > > fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the 
> > > > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. 
> > > > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted
> > > > > 
> > > > > You want notarized photos?
> > > > 
> > > > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's
> > > > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says:
> > > > 
> > > > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what 
> > > > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're 
> > > > always there – and I don't know what I'm apologizing 
> > > > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and 
> > > > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel 
> > > > great and they smell great...you know, and I could 
> > > > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go 
> > > > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't 
> > > > know...I mean, that's it – it makes my day – makes 
> > > > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm 
> > > > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this 
> > > > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished 
> > > > more but I got no regrets – Jesus – aahhh... maybe 
> > > > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I 
> > > > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell 
> > > > me I don't like `em very much." 
> > > > 
> > > > Oh.
> > > > 
> > > > Wait. 
> > > > 
> > > > I just looked at the label on the videotape,
> > > > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was 
> > > > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." 
> > > > 
> > > > Never mind.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Celibate" Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some "roughness of awareness".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
>
> fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Behalf Of wgm4u
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the 
> > > > > "Sexy Sadie" file and other info that there were many more. 
> > > > > I don't know where you're getting "2 or 3".
> > > >
> > > > Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted
> > > 
> > > You want notarized photos?
> > 
> > I have a quote from one of Maharishi's
> > lesser-known videotapes. In it he says:
> > 
> > "Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what 
> > I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're 
> > always there – and I don't know what I'm apologizing 
> > for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and 
> > they're so great looking, you know...and they feel 
> > great and they smell great...you know, and I could 
> > be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go 
> > into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't 
> > know...I mean, that's it – it makes my day – makes 
> > me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm 
> > concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this 
> > point in my life...I know I should've accomplished 
> > more but I got no regrets – Jesus – aahhh... maybe 
> > that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I 
> > don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell 
> > me I don't like `em very much." 
> > 
> > Oh.
> > 
> > Wait. 
> > 
> > I just looked at the label on the videotape,
> > and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was 
> > Warren Beatty, in the film "Shampoo." 
> > 
> > Never mind.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Yoga Girl

[Joe]

Saw this and (somehow) thought of my peeps at FFL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-8IPDR4Khc&feature=player_embedded#!

[FairfieldLife] Re: New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hold In Global Warming Alarmism

[Joe]

And again I say: Why do these ignorant wingnut wackos believe everything that 
happens to fall into their e-mail in boxes?

I get this kind of crap all the time from my conservative friends and 
relatives. The scary thing is that when I point out the inaccuracies and 
outright falsehoods, they often really don't care whether the specific story is 
true or not.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Yes, he's an evangelical Christian who also doubts Darwin's theory of
> evolution. Real scientific guy.
> 
>  
> 
> See
> http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2008/05/22/202659/should-you-believe-anything-
> john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/ 
> 
> http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/global_warming_skeptic_clouds_issues
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Where are O's former girlfriends??? - Scary!! or a good laugh - joke

[Joe]

Why is it that these racist ignorant "conservatives" believe anything that 
happens to fall into their e-mail in-boxes?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: 
> 
>  From: eb7243@...
> To: WLeed3@...
> Sent: 7/25/2011 1:39:09 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: Fwd: Where are O's former  girlfriends??? - Scary!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> From:  "Lois  Kaufman" <_otherpaw@..._ (mailto:otherpaw@...) >
> 
> Date:  July  24, 2011 4:15:56 PM EDT
> 
> To: "Lois Kaufman" <_otherpaw@..._ (mailto:otherpaw@...) >
> 
> Subject:  Where are O's former  girlfriends??? - Scary!!
> 
> Reply-To:  <_otherpaw@..._ (mailto:otherpaw@...) >
>  
> WHERE ARE THE  GIRLFRIENDS?
> 
> I hadn't thought about this -  but where are O's past girlfriends - surely 
> he had at  least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere?  Strange - 
> strange to the point of being downright  weird!
> 
> OK, this is just  plain old common sense, no political agendas for either  
> side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country,  especially American 
> citizens, who know every little tidbit  about every other president (and 
> their wives) that even  know that Andrew Jackson's wife smoked a corn cob 
> pipe 
> and  was accused of adultery, or that Lincoln never went to  school or 
> Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the  piano.
> 
> We are Americans! Our Media vets these  things out! We are known for our 
> humanitarian interests  and caring for our 'fellow man.' We care, but none of 
> us  know one single humanizing fact about the history of our  own president. 
> 
> Honestly, and this is a  personal thing ... but it's bugged me for years 
> that no  one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his charisma,  which 
> caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously  during his campaign, looks 
> like some lady would not have  missed the opportunity 
> 
> We all know  about JFK's magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's  courtship 
> and even her athletic prowess were probed.  Biden's aneurisms are no secret. 
>  Look at Cheney and  Clinton-we all know about their heart problems. How 
> could  I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White  House? 
> 
> Nope... not one lady has stepped  up and said, "He was s shy," or "What 
> a great  dancer!" 
> Now look at the rest of what we know...  no classmates, not even the 
> recorder for the Columbia  class notes ever heard of him.
> 
> Who was the  best man at his wedding? Start there. Check for groomsmen.  
> Then get the footage of the graduation  ceremony. 
> 
> Has anyone talked to the  professors? Isn't it odd that no one is bragging 
> that they  knew him or taught him or lived with  him.
> 
> When did he meet Michele and how? Are  there photos? Every president 
> provides the public with all  their photos, etc. for their library. What has 
> he  
> released? Nada - other than what was in this so-called  biography! And 
> experts who study writing styles, etc.  claim it was not O's own words or 
> typical 
> of his speech  patterns, etc.
> 
> Does this make any of you  wonder?
> 
> Ever wonder why no one ever came  forward from Obama's past, saying they 
> knew him, attended  school with him, was his friend, etc. ? 
> Not one  person has ever come forward from his past.
> This should  really be a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie  
> titled, The Manchurian Candidate?
> 
> Let's face  it. As insignificant as we all are... someone whom we went  to 
> school with remembers our name or face...someone  remembers we were the 
> clown or the dork or the brain or  the quiet one or the bully or something 
> about 
>  us.
> 
> George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the  same thing during the 2008 
> campaign. 
> Even George  questions why no one has acknowledged that the president  was 
> in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or  made impromptu speeches 
> on campus.  
> Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama at  Columbia-class of 1984.
> He says he never had a single  class with him.
> Since he is such a great orator, why  doesn't anyone in Obama's college 
> class remember him?  
> And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his  records?
> Do you like millions of others, simply assume  all this is explainable - 
> even though no one  can?
> 
> NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT  COLUMBIA
> 
> Looking for evidence of Obama's  past, Fox News contacted  400 Columbia 
> University students from the period when  Obama claims to have been there, 
> but 
> not  one remembers him. For example,Wayne  Allyn Root was (like Obama) a 
> political science major at  Columbia , who graduated in 1983.  In 2008, Root 
> says  of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that  knew him, and 
> they all know  me. I don't have a single classmate who ever  knew Barack 
> Obama at Columbia ... EVER!
> 
> Nobody  recalls him.
> 
> Root adds that he was, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Joe]

Agreed 100%. If this is how it is, I'm going to start checking in here again 
every day.
Great post!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Thanks for this Mark. Awesome post.
> 
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:22 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Wow, are we one dimensional?  I believe it's the sign of a developed being
> that he or she can easily hold all the paradoxes.  Not only can I have it
> both ways, but I must have it both ways and, beyond that, have it all ways
> that were, are or ever will be, if I am to do any justice to truth and
> reality.  That's a lot of ways.  I also believe that, ultimately, we must go
> beyond all the paradoxes and polarities, including the polarity of good and
> bad (and that, of course, doesn't mean that we rush out to do all the "bad"
> things we possibly can ASAP).
> 
>  
> 
> The truth of the matter, if anyone cares, is that, like Judith Bourke, who I
> find to be a wonderful, honest person, I was in love with him (no, prurient
> ones, not that way, though there are things I could say about that, too) and
> the notion and seeming experience that TM could transform the world for the
> better.  Why else would I work seven days a week for the movement for nearly
> five years and pay significantly to do so?  Are we not all some blend of the
> three gunas?  Aren't there glorious and dark things about all of us?
> 
>  
> 
> M was no different.  One of the most glorious things about him was his
> energy.  I lived and basked in it pretty much straight for the seven months
> I was skin boy and for a lot of the five years I was with him.  I went
> through withdrawal for two years when I lost it.
> 
>  
> 
> That's my voice in the background of DWTF when David cut to the archival
> footage of M entering the hall with Jerry carrying the skin saying something
> like, "It was like divine air came down from heaven and I got addicted to
> it."  Is that so very negative?
> 
>  
> 
> In one other sentence I said something like, "Remember how I said he could
> get into you and help you sleep?  He could also get into you and completely
> pulverize you."  Is that both "negative" and "positive"?  Of course,
> one-dimensional believers would say having M pulverize you would be the
> greatest blessing.  It could only be all positive.  But what if he did it
> because he was pissed, out of sorts or sexually frustrated?  Yes, IME, he
> definitely got sexually frustrated.  In my total reworking of his own words,
> the only man in all of recored history that anyone knew about who lived
> beyond the libido was Sukadeva.
> 
>  
> 
> I also said in the movie, "It took me a while to put the paradox together.
> How could he be wonderful and awful at the same time?  Well, that's just how
> it was.  He was wonderful and awful at the same time."  David filmed me for
> over two hours and he used the several minutes that suited his purpose in
> segueing from the more positive part of the film to the more negative.
> 
>  
> 
> So I feel no conflict or contradiction in saying "In my experience, they
> still carry a lot of his energy, as if the atoms and molecules have been
> entrained in it. And, of course, in India, they would be holy objects to be
> revered. I have kept them very well protected and have handled them very
> little over the decades."  and 
> 
>  
> 
> M abused women, devastated people right and left and was more concerned with
> money than with treating people decently.
> 
>  
> 
> They're all simply true.  And so were all the other totally glorious aspects
> of that intense, complex man.
> 
>  
> 
> Was anyone else in the movie theater that night in Fiuggi, or wherever it
> was, when M's darshan got so strong that it made all the little, hanging
> crystals dance extravagantly and tinkle together as if there were a small
> tornado blowing through the hall?  And probably only I saw this, but when M
> first got to Murren, the three mountain devas came to greet him.  IME, which
> of course many of you would completely howl at, they had been waiting for
> someone for centuries and thought, because of his light, that it might be M.
> M went completely silent and looked up at them for several moments while
> they communed.  He wasn't who they were waiting for, they left and the
> lecture went on.  And you should have seen the angel stations that
> congregated in the intersections of the pathways between the puja tables in
> the halls where M made teachers.  That's why he didn't like people walking
> around then.  I had to bust right through one of them to get to him to tell
> him something urgent while he was giving out the mantras.  The five or six
> angels in that one station took off in all directions like they had been
> stung.  (There, three little stories...)  
> 
>  
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[Joe]

Just dropped in to see what was going on at FFL after not looking in for 
months. I see Willy is equating a pie in the face to a gunshot to the brain.

Living in that Texas cematary seems to have made Willy a bit 'tarded!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 07/19/2011 03:32 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> >> Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to
> >> post it...
> >>
> > "I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed
> > the rest of the media at large, will accept personal
> > responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that
> > led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do
> > after the Giffords incident?"
> >
> > http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/124634/
> 
> Apples and oranges.  In this climate of disproportionate wealth the rich 
> should be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible.   And a more 
> aggressive populace would make sure they are relieved of their burden.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House

[Joe]

Nope, the stupidity is entirely yours on this issue.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4
> 
> Shows the certificate is a many layered Adobe Illustrator file.
> 
> This is not going to end.
> 
> I'm not a birther, but this video is interesting for other reasons, like, how 
> the White House could be so stupid. 
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning 
> > how Obama got into Columbia and Harvard"why won't he show us his 
> > grades?"
> > 
> > He (and the other idiot birthers) should just man up and say what's REALLY 
> > on their "minds": 
> > 
> > "He ain't one of us."
> > 
> > "He's ain't a TRUE Christian"
> > 
> > "He's probably a Mooslum"
> > 
> > "He's a niggra and it just galls me to no end that one of THEM made it into 
> > the WHITE House"
> > 
> > Jon Stewart got it right: 
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jon-stewart-birth-certificate_n_854774.html
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  This has little to do with where President Obama was born...
> > > > And much to do with unadulterated racism...
> > > > Plain and simple.
> > > 
> > > Exactly. That's what I meant by saying that listening
> > > to what the birthers say now that their non-issue has
> > > been revealed as the non-issue it always was would be
> > > like being a fly on the wall of a KKK meeting. 
> > > 
> > > It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President,
> > > and some people being unable to live with that. The
> > > very essence of "birtherism" is "This person is not
> > > entitled by birth to hold his office, the way a real
> > > President should be..." Since they couldn't bring 
> > > themselves to add "...because he's black," they 
> > > said "...because he wasn't born in the USA."
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House

[Joe]

Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning how 
Obama got into Columbia and Harvard"why won't he show us his grades?"

He (and the other idiot birthers) should just man up and say what's REALLY on 
their "minds": 

"He ain't one of us."

"He's ain't a TRUE Christian"

"He's probably a Mooslum"

"He's a niggra and it just galls me to no end that one of THEM made it into the 
WHITE House"

Jon Stewart got it right: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jon-stewart-birth-certificate_n_854774.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> >
> >  This has little to do with where President Obama was born...
> > And much to do with unadulterated racism...
> > Plain and simple.
> 
> Exactly. That's what I meant by saying that listening
> to what the birthers say now that their non-issue has
> been revealed as the non-issue it always was would be
> like being a fly on the wall of a KKK meeting. 
> 
> It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President,
> and some people being unable to live with that. The
> very essence of "birtherism" is "This person is not
> entitled by birth to hold his office, the way a real
> President should be..." Since they couldn't bring 
> themselves to add "...because he's black," they 
> said "...because he wasn't born in the USA."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House

[Joe]

Judy, you have to understand that what WillyTex sees when looking at the birth 
certificate is different from what  you and I see:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/birthers-still-have-quest_n_854591.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Interesting that what Willytex quotes isn't from either
> of the Web pages he gives URLs for.
> 
> The second one, in fact, is from National Review Online,
> a right-wing publication; it's a post that *debunks* the
> notion that the certificate is a forgery.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Vaj:
> > > Who wants to guess what the replacing conspiracy
> > > theory will be?
> > >
> > That this document has been cropped and altered by
> > an idiot who thought he knew how to scan a 
> > birth certificate using Adobe Acrobat?
> > 
> > At the least this was a scanned document produced 
> > by a moron who thought he knew PhotoShop.
> > 
> > You've GOT To Be Kidding Me!
> > http://market-ticker.org/post=185094 
> > 
> > "I've scanned a lot of images. What you scan is 
> > what you see. What I haven't seen when I've scanned 
> > something is where they show letters cut off such 
> > as what looks like a "5" on the left hand side 
> > where it bends down. 
> > 
> > Also, the dashed green lines on the background go 
> > straight across, and the black lines of the form 
> > curve down. It they scanned the black lines only, 
> > then why transpose onto green lined paper, why not 
> > just show the scanned document on whatever was the 
> > original paper as I always do when I scan a document. 
> > This doesn't pass the smell test. 
> > 
> > Either this is a forgery on green paper, or they 
> > are hiding something on that left side that was 
> > cropped off. Why can't we just get a scanned copy 
> > of the original birth certificate, showing every 
> > notation on margins, every smudge, everything? 
> > 
> > Frankly, until today I was thinking this birther 
> > thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing 
> > this document I now have many suspicions about 
> > Obama's birth..."
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba, R.I.P. April 24-th, 2011

[Joe]

I imagine his "kumkum" covered lingam was one of the first to go...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> "Multiple organ failure".  Dead, thank "God"!
> 
> http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=125975
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Premananda 1951-2011

[Joe]

I read it completely Nabby.

A guy in an Indian jail died and has reincarnated as a "lingam covered in 
"kumkum". This dude called Sai Baba a "great avatar" so therefore you believe 
Sai Baba to be a great avatar.

The logic chain is simply breathtaking!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Nabby, you're taking the word of a large lingam covered in (ahem) "kumkum" 
> > about who is an authentic master and who isn't?
> 
> 
> You didn't bother to read the article, did you ?
> 
> " Officials at the Ashram reported: "Swamiji has yet
> again shown us that he is indeed very much present with us."
> 
> Nothing about "authentic masters".
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Swami Premananda 1951-2011 [Swami Premananda]
> > > 
> > >   [Premananda's lingam] 
> > > <http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/images/201104_p\
> > > remananda_lingam.jpg>
> > > During a special ceremony at the Sri Premananda Ashram after His
> > > passing, a devotee, when clearing away some flowers, discovered a large
> > > lingam within the flowers, covered in kumkum (a paste). Benjamin
> > > Creme's Master confirms that the egg-shaped lingam was manifested by
> > > Swami Premananda. Officials at the Ashram reported: "Swamiji has yet
> > > again shown us that he is indeed very much present with us."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Share International is very sad to report the passing of the great
> > > Spiritual Avatar Swami Premananda, on 21 February 2011 in India, after
> > > many years of illness and unjust incarceration in an Indian prison. As
> > > readers will remember, Share International has regularly reported news
> > > of Swami Premananda and His work, and sends its condolences to the many
> > > devotees around the world mourning this great loss. Swami Premananda
> > > said of Himself: "Sai Baba is Sai Baba, a great Avatar, I am who I
> > > am, an ordinary man who does not know why he has been endowed with a
> > > number of divine powers. It is true that I can heal people, materialize
> > > things and that I do have extraordinary powers, but these come from God.
> > > By myself I can do nothing."
> > > 
> > > http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-04.htm
> > > <http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-04.htm>
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Premananda 1951-2011

[Joe]

Nabby, you're taking the word of a large lingam covered in (ahem) "kumkum" 
about who is an authentic master and who isn't?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> Swami Premananda 1951-2011 [Swami Premananda]
> 
>   [Premananda's lingam] 
>  remananda_lingam.jpg>
> During a special ceremony at the Sri Premananda Ashram after His
> passing, a devotee, when clearing away some flowers, discovered a large
> lingam within the flowers, covered in kumkum (a paste). Benjamin
> Creme's Master confirms that the egg-shaped lingam was manifested by
> Swami Premananda. Officials at the Ashram reported: "Swamiji has yet
> again shown us that he is indeed very much present with us."
> 
> 
> Share International is very sad to report the passing of the great
> Spiritual Avatar Swami Premananda, on 21 February 2011 in India, after
> many years of illness and unjust incarceration in an Indian prison. As
> readers will remember, Share International has regularly reported news
> of Swami Premananda and His work, and sends its condolences to the many
> devotees around the world mourning this great loss. Swami Premananda
> said of Himself: "Sai Baba is Sai Baba, a great Avatar, I am who I
> am, an ordinary man who does not know why he has been endowed with a
> number of divine powers. It is true that I can heal people, materialize
> things and that I do have extraordinary powers, but these come from God.
> By myself I can do nothing."
> 
> http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-04.htm
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

Which means you have an opinion, right?

Noting wrong with having an opinion Nabby, I was just asking.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > So what do YOU believe about him Nabby?
> 
> Never met him, I have no idea who he was and have no opinion. But when a 
> cluster of illustrious yogis like those mentioned below and whom I respect 
> all claim he was an Planetary Avatar then I trust their verdict.
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It's interesting to see that many of the followers of different saints 
> > > show a lot of enthusiasm when these saints come to Fairfield. Ammachi 
> > > comes to mind. But when they say something they don't like, for example 
> > > when Ammachi states that "Sai Baba is an Avatar, perfect from birth" they 
> > > either go ballistic or try to forget about it altogether.
> > > 
> > > What's that called in american ? Doublestandards ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're 
> > > > certainly free to believe whatever you like about him.
> > > > 
> > > > So what DO you believe about him?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones 
> > > > > mentioned in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to 
> > > > > TM,  what an effing hoot..
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap 
> > > > > > magician who is nearly dead.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > by R. D. Awle
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed 
> > > > > > > freely,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> > > > > > >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman 
> > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > > > > > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > > > > > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God 
> > > > > > > that she
> > > > > > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there 
> > > > > > > seemed
> > > > > > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > > > > > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years 
> > > > > > > she had
> > > > > > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > > > > > > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > > > > > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this 
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

So what do YOU believe about him Nabby?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> It's interesting to see that many of the followers of different saints show a 
> lot of enthusiasm when these saints come to Fairfield. Ammachi comes to mind. 
> But when they say something they don't like, for example when Ammachi states 
> that "Sai Baba is an Avatar, perfect from birth" they either go ballistic or 
> try to forget about it altogether.
> 
> What's that called in american ? Doublestandards ?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're 
> > certainly free to believe whatever you like about him.
> > 
> > So what DO you believe about him?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones 
> > > mentioned in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM,  
> > > what an effing hoot..
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician 
> > > > who is nearly dead.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > by R. D. Awle
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> > > > > 
> > > > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> > > > >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman 
> > > > > named
> > > > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > > > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > > > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> > > > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> > > > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > > > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she 
> > > > > had
> > > > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > > > > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > > > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time 
> > > > > she
> > > > > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> > > > > only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> > > > > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> > > > > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn1>
> > > > > 
> > > > >That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me 
> > > > > when I
> > > > > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> > > > > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that 
> > > > > Anandamoyi
> > > > > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> > > > > Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> > > > > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> > > > > 
> > > > >Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before 
> > > > > he
> > > > > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're certainly 
free to believe whatever you like about him.

So what DO you believe about him?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones mentioned 
> in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM,  what an effing 
> hoot..
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is 
> > nearly dead.
> > 
> > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > by R. D. Awle
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> > > 
> > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> > > 
> > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> > > 
> > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
> > >One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> > > about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> > > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> > > only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> > > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> > > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn1>
> > > 
> > >That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
> > > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> > > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> > > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> > > Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> > > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> > > 
> > >Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> > > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> > > one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> > > said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> > > me with you!  You are my God!"
> > > 
> > >"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> > > your Guru."
> > > 
> > >"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> > > suicide!"
> > > 
> > >"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> > > on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> > > going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> > > Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> > > Baba's ashram.)8
> > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn3>
> > > 
> > >Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> > > considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> > > "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> > > birth."9 <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn4>
> > > 
> > >On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> > > Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> > > silence to annou

[FairfieldLife] Re: W H O is Sai Baba?

[Joe]

Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is 
nearly dead.

Thanks for clearing that up Nabby!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> P O T E N T  E V I D E N C E :
> 
> 
> 
> W H O  is  Sai Baba?
> 
> 
> 
> by R. D. Awle
> 
> 
> 
> [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001.
> 
> This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely,
> 
> as long as the source is clearly attributed.]
> 
> 
>   [Small OM, aka Pranava]
> 
> Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters
>One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named
> Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.'
> There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in
> Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she
> was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed
> to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. 
> According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had
> often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing
> about?"  But for many years she never gave an answer.  In the last
> year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she
> gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question
> only once; don't ask again.  Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful
> incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth.  And there won't be
> another at His level for another sixty centuries."6
> 
> 
>That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I
> went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas.  When I
> shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi
> Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai
> Baba.  He is the Avatar of this Yuga!"  (Avatar means Incarnation of
> God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.)
> 
>Other Saints have given similar testimony.  Shortly before he
> left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by
> one of his close American disciples, a woman.  "Master," she
> said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body.  You must take
> me with you!  You are my God!"
> 
>"Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am
> your Guru."
> 
>"But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit
> suicide!"
> 
>"Enough of that foolishness!  God Himself is now incarnate
> on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba.  When I leave you are
> going to live with Him."  (His prediction proved correct; after
> Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai
> Baba's ashram.)8
> 
> 
>Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself
> considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked,
> "Who is Sai Baba?"  She replied, "Avatar.  Perfect from
> birth."9 
> 
>On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri
> Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of
> silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent
> of Krishna into the physical.  A power infallible shall lead the
> thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the
> multitude shall hear the voice!"10
>   It seems
> obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical
> re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba.
> 
>Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas
> (the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an
> Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna.  He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
> together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in
> His presence as possible.11
> 
> 
>  Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs
> Anandashram in Kerala, was recently asked about the allegations against
> Sai Baba.  He replied, "Forget about it.  He is God!"12
> 
>  Karunamayi (also known as Vijayeshwari Devi, considered by
> many to be a living incarnation of the Goddess Sarasvati) recently told
> one of her close devotees, "Sai Baba and Amma [meaning herself] are both
> watching over you."  Apparently she also knows who Baba is!
> 
>Yogi Ramsuratkumar made it clear on numerous occasions that
> Sai Baba is an incarnation of God.  He often asked visitors from
> Baba's ashram, "You've left God to see this beggar?"13
>    (Of course,
> that "beggar" was himself merged in the all-pervading
> Consciousness; the beauty of his attainment was matched only by his
> humility.)
> 
>Shiva Balayogi, another 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Joe]

Yes, that makes two of us. I really know nothing of "Waking Down" other than 
what you've written Alex, but I agree with Judy that you have always seemed 
screwed together rather well here at FFL!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed
> > of roses, this state has also allowed me to feel pain and
> > grief, far beyond what I ever could before. Plus, with no
> > denial or pushing away of shadow stuff, the brutal integrity
> > has left me neurotically dysfunctional in areas that I
> > previously hadn't tapped into deeply enough for them to be
> > this problematic. I think it was Ted Strauss who said that
> > in WD you awaken to your mugshot, and boy he wasn't kidding!
> 
> If I had to make a list, I'd say you seem to me to be
> the *least* dysfunctional person here. It sure isn't any
> of my business, but now I'm wildly curious as to what
> areas you think you're dysfunctional in. But only respond
> if you're so inclined...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert on 25 April

[Joe]

Sounds like advance sales are a bit "slow". Can't imagine why?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> LAST CHANCE TO APPLY TO VIEW THE CONCERT ONLINE
> 
> Concert Date Fast Approaching
> 
> Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert 
> Monday, 25 April 2011 at 8:00 pm Holland Time
> Live from the TheaterHotel de Orangerie, Roermond, Holland. 
> APPLY TO WATCH THE CONCERT LIVE ONLINE
> 
> njoy a spectacular display of melodies, rhythms, and beats of instrumental 
> Indian classical music performed by two renowned artists from India:
> 1. The legendary Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, flautist extraordinaire 
> accompanied on tabla by the virtuoso Pandit Vijay Ghate.
> 2. The Raga-Pianist Utsav Lal, Young Steinway Artist, accompanied on tabla by 
> the versatile Sandip Bhattacharya.
> Experience the music that will fill you with inner peace, harmony and 
> blissâ€"music that will truly unite you with the eternal harmony in nature. 
> Enjoy this unique concert live online! 
> Click here to register 
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>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Joe]

Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7 years 
of hearing that the "next big course" was the one, the big one, the one that 
will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I could, but 
man, am I ever glad I took my foot off the imaginary spiritual accelerator 
pedal and refocused my life on the things that really bring pleasure to me, 
like capturing music.

That's not to say I dislike TM. I do it every morning for one reason only. It 
feels good and I like it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > > > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > > > > believe in. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > > > > in the years since.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not 
> > > > > "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a 
> > > > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply 
> > > > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as 
> > > > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.
> > > 
> > > Your opinion of my opinion is BS.
> > >
> > 
> > Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you 
> > need to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for 
> > stating the obvious.
> >
> 
> I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of 
> having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is 
> always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years of 
> doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping 
> elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here now 
> and directly addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded 
> around the farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was 
> all about how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so 
> that we can have better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are 
> focused on cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, 
> states of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, 
> but it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food, 
> drugs, money, etc.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No matter how hard you try, you will never be as cool as this guy"

[Joe]

Dude's definitely got it going on. This guy might actually be enlightened. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> That's what Reddit said about this video. They have a point.
> 
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d53_1303269425
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: : WHAT DOES DONALD TRUMP KNOW ABOUT OBAMA?

[Joe]

Billy, Rick hit Snopes before I did, but you have clearly identified yourself, 
with this post, as a person who believes whatever happens to fall into their 
e-mail in box as truth. That's just effing lazy man! Tell you whatif you 
want to cling to this birther bullshit write me off line. I'll bet you a large 
sum of money that it's a black hole of conspiracy nuts without any merit.  Are 
you willing to put up? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > : WHAT DOES DONALD TRUMP KNOW ABOUT OBAMA? 
> > 
> >  
> > It's just common knowledge that citizens of a country and especially 
> > American citizens who even know that Andrew Jackson's wife smoked a corn 
> > cob pipe and was accused of adultery or that Lincoln never went to school 
> > or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano. 
> > 
> > Good grief... we are Americans! We are known for our humanitarian interests 
> > and caring for our 'fellow man'. We care, but none of us know one single 
> > humanizing fact about the history of our own president. Honestly, and this 
> > is a personal thing...but it's niggled at me for ages that no one who ever 
> > dated him ever showed up. The simple fact of his charisma that caused the 
> > women to be drawn to him so obviously during his campaign, looks like some 
> > lady would not have missed the opportunity We all know about JFK's 
> > magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's courtship and even her athletic 
> > prowess were probed... Biden's aneurisms are no secret. Look at Cheney and 
> > Clinton.. we all know about their heart problems and certainly speaking of 
> > the opposite sex- how could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the 
> > White House? Nope not one lady has stepped up and said, "He was s 
> > shy..." or "What a great dancer!!" Now look at the rest of this... no 
> > classmates, not even the reco
>  rder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him 
> > 
> > .. I just don't know about this fellow. 
> > 
> > 
> > Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Then check groomsmen. 
> > 
> > Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the 
> > professors? It is odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught 
> > him or lived with him. 
> > 
> > When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos there? Every president 
> > gives to the public all their photos, etc. for their library, etc. What has 
> > he released? And who in hell voted for him to be the most popular man in 
> > 2010? 
> > 
> > Does this make you wonder? Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from 
> > President Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was 
> > his friend, etc. ?? Not one person has ever come forward from his past. 
> > 
> > VERY, VERY STRANGE.. This should really be a cause for great concern. To 
> > those who voted for him, you may have elected an unqualified, inexperienced 
> > shadow man. Did you see a picture called The Manchurian Candidate?. 
> > 
> > Let's face it. As insignificant as we all are .. someone whom we went to 
> > school with remembers our name or face ... someone remembers we were the 
> > clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something 
> > about us. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 
> > 2008 campaign. He questions why no one has acknowledged the president was 
> > in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches 
> > on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia -- the 
> > class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. 
> > 
> > While he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college 
> > class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his 
> > records? 
> > 
> > NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA 
> > 
> > Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia 
> > University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, 
> > but none remembered him. 
> > 
> > Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who 
> > also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single 
> > person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a 
> > classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia .. EVER! 
> > 
> > Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of '83 
> > political science, pre-law" and says, "You don't get more exact or closer 
> > than that.." Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him. 
> > At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be 
> > the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years 
> > ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who's 
> > kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows everybody, has 
> > yet to find 

[FairfieldLife] Speechless

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCl2bi-JDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[FairfieldLife] Re: A story, plus revealing reactions to it

[Joe]

Interesting...I've worked with several jazz artists who, when in the midst of 
their most intense improvisational flights, feel as if "they" stopped authoring 
the improv and something else was playing though them...that they had become a 
conduit for something else.

I'd have to gather them up but there are similar statements from musicians such 
as John  Coltrane, Sonny Rollins and Charles Lloyd, not that you these 
observations are limited to tenor sax players only.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> A friend of mine who maintains a mailing list of...
> uh...Newagey people recently posted this story:
> 
> Raja Ravi Varma was a great devotee of Parashakti, 
> the Divine Mother. He was asked to paint the portrait 
> of King George. While doing so, King George noticed 
> that Raja Ravi Varma didn't take his eyes off his 
> subject while his hand painted. King George asked 
> "Why don't you look at the canvas?" Raja Ravi Varma 
> replied, "If I would look at the canvas, She would 
> stop painting."
> 
> Reactions ranged from "Wow, really?" to "u r correct...
> divine stops working when we start" to "who" to
> "this proves the existence of the Divine Mother."
> 
> If I were to ask this group of people, "How many of
> you typed your replies without having to glance at
> the keyboard?", what do you think the reply would be?
> Is touch typing "proof" of the existence of the
> Divine Mother? If they had no need to look at the
> keyboard when replying, does this mean that the 
> Divine Mother typed their replies?
> 
> I guess my point, if I have one, is that people who
> have a Woo Woo view of the universe are able to see
> Woo Woo in anything. I've hung with artists for years,
> and know easily half a dozen of them who don't need
> to look at what they're drawing to render it perfectly.
> Not once has it occurred to me to think that someone
> or something else was doing the drawing for them, no
> more than it occurs to me to think "Someone or some-
> thing else is thinking my thoughts when I type them
> without looking at the keyboard." 
> 
> I think that this is a classic example of "drawing
> bullseyes around arrows;" that is, starting with a 
> premise and interpreting anything one sees as valid-
> ation of that premise. What do you think? Was Raja 
> Ravi Varma doing his own painting using an artist's
> version of "touch typing," or was someone or some-
> thing else doing the painting for him? I think the
> responses here would be revealing.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

The Shrivastava/Varma clan is counting on things continuing on  just like 
that...with no one poking their noses where they don't belong. Can you imagine 
what would happen to a dome badge holder who seriously undertook an 
investigation of the international TMO finances in India?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SPakQ7hH6I





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Yep.  It could be a huge scandal, but no one has the time or motivation or 
> expertise to pry into all this and do an expose.  What a story.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > That's why I thought that Bobby Roth's smiley faced answer ("the IRS 
> > records are there for all to see!") at MUM a few weeks ago was disingenuous.
> > 
> > Of course the US domestic records are "in order"!  Try getting transparent 
> > financials from the international TMO including specifically the Indian 
> > home base.
> > 
> > The money isn't here, we all know that. It's in India.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How 
> > > much to the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to 
> > > rich in the last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how 
> > > much do they contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone 
> > > from a genuine accounting firm look at the books (if they exist) and tell 
> > > us. That would be inspiring news, wouldn't it?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Completion isjust around the corner if we can 
> > > > > only raise 20 million more !
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: merlin 
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of 
> > > > > India
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > > > 
> > > > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > > > with lots of pictures ...
> > > > >  
> > > > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

That's why I thought that Bobby Roth's smiley faced answer ("the IRS records 
are there for all to see!") at MUM a few weeks ago was disingenuous.

Of course the US domestic records are "in order"!  Try getting transparent 
financials from the international TMO including specifically the Indian home 
base.

The money isn't here, we all know that. It's in India.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How much 
> to the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in the 
> last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how much do they 
> contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone from a genuine 
> accounting firm look at the books (if they exist) and tell us. That would be 
> inspiring news, wouldn't it?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > Completion isjust around the corner if we can 
> > > only raise 20 million more !
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: merlin 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> > > To: 
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > with lots of pictures ...
> > >  
> > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > >  
> > >  
> > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> Completion isjust around the corner if we can only 
> raise 20 million more !
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> 
> From: merlin 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> To: 
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> on the Brahmasthan of India,
> with lots of pictures ...
>  
> See also  this new webpage >>>
> http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
>  
>  
>    J a i   G u r u   D e v
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[FairfieldLife] Weed Card

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRm1yqSmsGY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert on 25 April 2011 Live Online from Holland

[Joe]

Maharishi Gandharva Veda™®
Don't forget the service marks Merlin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin  wrote:
>
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>
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> 25 April 2011 at 8:00 pm Holland Time
> Live from the TheaterHotel de Orangerie, Roermond, Holland.
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>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba prediction on his death

[Joe]

What you see is what you get. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> I doubt that such persons can be called "Avatars"; although evil people can 
> apparently get Enlightened (and still continue with evil (a-Dharmic) acts.) 
> Some people still maintain that all acts by Enlightened people are "right" or 
> Dharmic. I disagree with that position, but either assertion is speculative. 
> Personally, I maintain that what we see - the superficial acts - require no 
> deeper metaphysical analysis bringing in such entities as the Gunas, Doer; 
> etc.  A pedophile is simply a pedophile.
> 
> http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/sai-baba-prediction-of-his-death/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?

[Joe]

Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a "planetary Avatar" Nabby?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Any word on whether the death was long and painful?
> 
> 
> He was a planetary Avatar and beyond pain.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?

[Joe]

Any word on whether the death was long and painful?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Rumor has it he is, but it's being covered up in the hospital while attempts
> are made to get hold of the funds that the Sai org has hidden.
>

[FairfieldLife] Robbie and Levon-The Making of Cripple Creek

[Joe]

Levon is so damn cool!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCmxMrgfDA

(Great little insight from Keltner too.)

[FairfieldLife] Robbie Robertson on Letterman 2011-He Don't Live Here No More

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edTvD4XW8Po

[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Become Clairvoyant (music review, not instruction)

[Joe]

Yes indeed, very good actor, which sort of makes sense since his music is so 
cinemagraphic. I saw Carny ages ago and remember liking it. I'd like to see it 
again…too bad about not being available on DVD.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow, thanks for the tip on this! I love his other albums
> > and nearly wore out Somewhere Down The Crazy River on LP...
> > and that's hard to do with my rig.
> > 
> > Robbie's songwriting ability and musicianship have always
> > fascinated me. He's not much of a singer...more of a
> > talking storyteller.
> 
> Surprisingly good actor, too. Ever seen "Carny"? Also starring
> Gary Busey and Jodie Foster, made in 1980. Robertson produced
> and co-wrote it. Strange but compelling; not available on DVD,
> sadly.
>

[FairfieldLife] Somewhere Down The Crazy River-Robbie Robertson

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kzJjVZQlo

[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Become Clairvoyant (music review, not instruction)

[Joe]

Wow, thanks for the tip on this! I love his other albums and nearly wore out 
Somewhere Down The Crazy River on LP...and that's hard to do with my rig.

Robbie's songwriting ability and musicianship have always fascinated me. He's 
not much of a singer...more of a talking storyteller.

In 2000 I produced an album recorded at Bearsville in upstate NY with Levon 
Helm playing drums. (Levon was not yet singing again, cancer having taken that 
ability untill just recently). Levon remains one of the coolest dudes I've ever 
met, just a complete gentleman in every way.until you mention the name 
Robbie Robertson. Levon of course, also came from the Ronnie Hawkins and the 
Hawks training camp. I highly recommend reading his auto-bio This Wheels On 
Fire. Brilliant man. Hell, the Hawks (and The Band) were full of brilliant men.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Tonight I found myself remember a certain period of 
> my wasted youth, in Toronto, listening to music at
> the bar owned by Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins. Dude was a
> Toronto legend. He really only had a few rockabilly
> hits in the U.S. (such as "Mary Lou"), but settled 
> in Canada in the late 50s and developed a big 
> following there. 
> 
> The bar was just an amazingly fun place. Real back-
> woods Arkansas music bar in the heart of Toronto.
> Cheap beer, loose women, and lots of fun being had
> by all. But it was Ronnie and his bands that kept 
> people coming back. He once said that he rehearsed 
> his bands until they were "tighter than a frog's 
> ass stretched over a barn door." The number of 
> bands he trained that were stolen by other musicians 
> attests to how true this was. The second band he 
> trained in this fashion as The Hawks was stolen away 
> from Ronnie by Bob Dylan, and became The Band.
> 
> One of The Band's alumni, someone who "came up"
> musically playing every night in Ronnie's bar, just
> came out with a new album. It's by Robbie Robertson,
> and is called "How To Become Clairvoyant." 
> 
> Paul Simon's new album knocked my socks off, partly
> because he's 69 and still at the top of his form.
> Robbie is 67 and still at the top of his. I don't
> know if anyone here ever got into him as musician, 
> separate from being the front man and songwriter for
> The Band. Dude's a ferocious guitarist, and seems
> to have an encyclopedic knowledge of American music, 
> from blues to cajun to rock to Native American to
> whatever, in the same way that Ry Cooder does. 
> 
> I'm listening to it for the first time now, and am
> enjoying it a lot. Discovering Robbie's latest 
> album is as enjoyable as discovering his first two
> solo albums. If you know them that's saying a lot.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's your guNa-vRtti-virodha? ; )

[Joe]

 "It also smacks of a glorification of dissociation which is a psychological 
disorder, not some higher state."

The more I learn about dissociation (mostly from the many books my wife, a 
licensed therapist...has acquired), the more I find myself asking if many of 
these so-called "higher states" aren't in fact, as you succinctly put it, "the 
glorification of psych disorder."

Some of the Batgap interviews are quite convincing in this regard. 

Fascinating observations Curtis…thanks!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This seems like it might turn into an interesting discussion of values.  
> Personally I don't buy the Buddha line at all.  It goes on that even when we 
> have pleasure it doesn't last forever so it becomes suffering later.  I find 
> this a juvenile approach to life's ups and downs.
> 
> It isn't that life IS suffering.  It can be, but the mix often helps direct 
> us. (not always)  I was moved by a show about a little girl who literally 
> felt no pain so she was constantly destroying her body.  It was very sad but 
> shows how much value we get out of some of our pains.
> 
> I also want to throw in Maharishi's premise that we are all ignorant members 
> of the "peaceless and suffering humanity."  I find it both condescending and 
> lacking in merit.  It is a filter, and for me, a bad one.  I see plenty of 
> joy in the people I meet.  Sometimes, considering their circumstances, 
> amazingly so.
> 
> It is a basic premise of spiritual systems that our lives are a problem that 
> needs fixing.  It is the ultimate self-help book rack assumptive premise that 
> we all need more of something and less of something else.  And although I do 
> try to improve my life every day, I am not starting with an assumption that 
> my relationship with the objects of perception is all wrong.  I think this is 
> the kind of rap that works for people who are unhappy or young people that 
> lack self confidence. (me at age 16)  It also smacks of a glorification of 
> dissociation which is a psychological disorder, not some higher state.  
> 
> It also lacks some of the wisdom I have stumbled across in my own life.  The 
> most relevant thing for me is the revelation that focusing outward on skill 
> acquisition has done more for my sense of self value than looking inward.  
> Rather than teach people that they need to shut their eyes I would say open 
> them and focus on attaining proficiency in some skill you admire. When you 
> get pooped with your efforts you can close you eyes to recharge if you feel 
> like it, but don't think that closing your eyes is going to bring you 
> fulfillment.  Our inner "awareness" is so over rated in spiritual systems 
> IMO.  Some of the most boring people I have ever met are the most into their 
> inner lives. Frankly I was the most boring I have ever been when I was most 
> into my "inner life".  My interactions with people are richer now, not 
> because I meditate, it is because I focus on learning more about other people 
> and other cultures and other ways to see the world.  
> 
> This is just a ramble but it is leading in the direction of how I feel about 
> spirituality.  I don't need to stand in line for hours waiting for a stranger 
> to hug me.  I have people I love in my life for that.  I don't need to spend 
> hours making my awareness itself grow.  I need hours focusing my awareness on 
> things that make my mind grow.  And on people who make my heart grow.  And on 
> exercises that make my muscles grow. And on hotties who make my...
> 
> you get the picture.  I am the guy that spiritual books warn against.  I have 
> more in common with this girl than any yogi:
> 
> http://www.maniacworld.com/young-girl-turns-to-the-dark-side.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "However, the wise (though their own mind is totally free
> > > > of all sorrow) consider all experiences painful as they are
> > > > all the fruits of the actions of ignorance" (Y.S. II.15).
> > > 
> > > Here, in 28 words, is why I don't consider much of anything from
> > > the Yoga Sutras valuable, let alone "wise." What kind of life-hater
> > > aspires to "consider all experiences painful?"
> > 
> > And there we have it, the definitive refutation of
> > the Yoga Sutras: Because one verse sounds to Barry
> > as if it implies hatred of the world, therefore the
> > entire work is worthless to him.
> > 
> > This is similar in its brilliant incisiveness to
> > Barry's refutation of the central teaching of Buddha,
> > that life is suffering. Why is this wrong? Simple.
> > Because, Barry claims, *he* doesn't suffer. Q.E.D.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Let's hear it for Yifu!

[Joe]

Yifu, whoever you are, thanks for the amazing series of historical photos you 
regularly post. I open every single one of these since they always provide 
insight into a time and a feeling.

Thanks also for the artusually perfectly timed to accompany a prior post.

Whoever you are, you're awesome! Bravo!

[FairfieldLife] So Beautiful Or So What (was Re: Fairfield's Sky Factory)

[Joe]

Thanks Curtis. Reading back through Halee's article I was struck by his comment 
about Jeff Beckhow Halee was impressed that he knew that the secret to a 
big recorded sound for an electric guitar was to use a small amp at low volumes 
in the studio.

He's dead right about this. So many guitar players think they need a big amp to 
get a big sound in the studio. It's the exact opposite. Ry Cooder took this to 
the limit by bringing in an old Gibson leather covered amplifier that I could 
literally pick up with my little finger. To this day I get questions about the 
amp used on that session since he sounds enormous...just huge. The trick was 
that this tiny amp could be sent near overdrive with very little actual output 
to excite the rest of the room. By using two mics and panning them wide this 
little precursor to a Pignose amp sounded like a behemoth on the album.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Very informative Joe!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I'll definitely check it out later today. Paul has always had a very keen 
> > appreciation for the sound of his records, whether solo or duo. For years 
> > he worked with the amazing sound engineer Roy Halee. Here's a decent 
> > article about Roy:
> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/classictracks_0908.htm
> > 
> > I see that Phil Ramone mixed the new album, another sure indication of 
> > quality.
> > 
> > I'll want to get this on vinyl when it comes out (as it surely will) or 
> > high-rez digital. Audio is really going through a time of rebirth right 
> > now, not just with the vinyl revival, but also (and primarily with) 
> > computer audio. Its fun to watch the reactions of people who only know 
> > their music from MP3's or CDs when first exposed to a really good vinyl rig 
> > or 24/96 digital. Eyes widen and jaws drop as the realization sets in that 
> > real fresh squeezed orange juice is available instead of the audio "Tang" 
> > that they've become accustomed to.
> > 
> > The price of entry into the high-rez world has been steadily coming down as 
> > well. Excellent quality asynchronous digital to analog converters (DACs) 
> > are available for under $200. 
> > 
> > Good times brother!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Way to go Bill! Bill was one of my favorites from the 
> > > > regional coordinator days. He's been into the sky for 
> > > > many years.way back when he lived in (I think) the 
> > > > New Mexico desert where he did many beautiful cloud 
> > > > formation paintings.
> > > 
> > > New Mexico will do that to you. :-) Even as a 
> > > confirmed non-God-ist, there were sunsets that
> > > caused me to stand, clap, and shout "Author!"
> > > 
> > > Joe, I don't know whether Paul Simon's new album
> > > is "your kinda music" these days, but listening
> > > to it tonight on my studio headphones, I found
> > > myself longing to hear it on your beyond-state-
> > > of-the-art sound system. It's just the most
> > > remarkably *mixed* album I've heard in years.
> > > An amazing collection of instruments, from all
> > > over the world, somehow blended and mixed such
> > > that they don't overwhelm the vocals and his
> > > still-amazing lyrics. 
> > > 
> > > Many thanks to Rick for posting the "listen free"
> > > link to this album. What a revelation. Paul is 
> > > four years older than I am, and at the top of his
> > > form. I don't know about anyone else, but I find
> > > that inspiring. Dude's got chops at 69 that mus-
> > > icians a third of his age would kill for. 
> > > 
> > > My faves so far are "The Afterlife" (hilarious), 
> > > the stunningly beautiful "Dazzling Blue," and
> > > the Knopfler-like guitar riffs on "Love and 
> > > Blessings." Here are the funny lyrics to "The
> > > Afterlife," clueing us all in to what we've
> > > got to look forward to. :-)
> > > 
> > > After I died and the makeup had dried
> > > I went back to my place
> > > No moon that night, but a heavenly light
> > > Shown on my face
> > > Still I thought it was odd there was no sign of God
> > > Ju

[FairfieldLife] So Beautiful Or So What (was Re: Fairfield's Sky Factory)

[Joe]

I'll definitely check it out later today. Paul has always had a very keen 
appreciation for the sound of his records, whether solo or duo. For years he 
worked with the amazing sound engineer Roy Halee. Here's a decent article about 
Roy:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/classictracks_0908.htm

I see that Phil Ramone mixed the new album, another sure indication of quality.

I'll want to get this on vinyl when it comes out (as it surely will) or 
high-rez digital. Audio is really going through a time of rebirth right now, 
not just with the vinyl revival, but also (and primarily with) computer audio. 
Its fun to watch the reactions of people who only know their music from MP3's 
or CDs when first exposed to a really good vinyl rig or 24/96 digital. Eyes 
widen and jaws drop as the realization sets in that real fresh squeezed orange 
juice is available instead of the audio "Tang" that they've become accustomed 
to.

The price of entry into the high-rez world has been steadily coming down as 
well. Excellent quality asynchronous digital to analog converters (DACs) are 
available for under $200. 

Good times brother!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Way to go Bill! Bill was one of my favorites from the 
> > regional coordinator days. He's been into the sky for 
> > many years.way back when he lived in (I think) the 
> > New Mexico desert where he did many beautiful cloud 
> > formation paintings.
> 
> New Mexico will do that to you. :-) Even as a 
> confirmed non-God-ist, there were sunsets that
> caused me to stand, clap, and shout "Author!"
> 
> Joe, I don't know whether Paul Simon's new album
> is "your kinda music" these days, but listening
> to it tonight on my studio headphones, I found
> myself longing to hear it on your beyond-state-
> of-the-art sound system. It's just the most
> remarkably *mixed* album I've heard in years.
> An amazing collection of instruments, from all
> over the world, somehow blended and mixed such
> that they don't overwhelm the vocals and his
> still-amazing lyrics. 
> 
> Many thanks to Rick for posting the "listen free"
> link to this album. What a revelation. Paul is 
> four years older than I am, and at the top of his
> form. I don't know about anyone else, but I find
> that inspiring. Dude's got chops at 69 that mus-
> icians a third of his age would kill for. 
> 
> My faves so far are "The Afterlife" (hilarious), 
> the stunningly beautiful "Dazzling Blue," and
> the Knopfler-like guitar riffs on "Love and 
> Blessings." Here are the funny lyrics to "The
> Afterlife," clueing us all in to what we've
> got to look forward to. :-)
> 
> After I died and the makeup had dried
> I went back to my place
> No moon that night, but a heavenly light
> Shown on my face
> Still I thought it was odd there was no sign of God
> Just to usher me in
> Then a voice from above sugarcoated with love
> Said, "Let us begin"
> 
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> 
> Okay, new kid in school
> Got to follow the rule
> You got to learn the routine
> Whoa! There's a girl over there
> With the sunshiny hair like a homecoming queen
> I said "Hey, what'cha say, it's a glorious day
> By the way, how long you been dead?"
> Maybe you, maybe me, maybe baby makes three
> But she just shook her head
> 
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> 
> Buddha and Moses and all the noses
> From narrow to flat
> Had to stand in the line
> Just to glimpse the divine
> What'cha think about that?
> Well, it seems like our fate
> To suffer and wait for the knowledge we seek
> It's all His design
> No one cuts in the line
> No one here likes a sneak
> 
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> You got to fill out a form first
> And then you wait in the line
> 
> After you climb up the ladder of time
> The Lord God is near
> Face-to-face in the vastness of space
> Your words disappear
> And you feel like you're swimming in an ocean of love
> And the current is strong
> But all that remains when you try to explain
> Is a fragment of song
> Lord, is it Be Bop a Lula? Or ooh Papa Doo?
> Lord, Be Bop a Lula? Or ooh Papa Doo?
> Be Bop a Lula
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's Sky Factory: Wall Street Journal's Workplace of the Day

[Joe]

Way to go Bill! Bill was one of my favorites from the regional coordinator 
days. He's been into the sky for many years.way back when he lived in (I 
think) the New Mexico desert where he did many beautiful cloud formation 
paintings.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> Congratulations to Bill Witherspoon and his associates.
> 
> The Wall Street Journal: Workplace of the Day
> Bringing Mother Nature Indoors
> A feature on The Sky Factory, based here in Fairfield, Iowa.
> 
> The Sky Factory, a manufacturer of illusionary ceiling and wall art, 
> moved into this Fairfield, Iowa, facility in 2008 after outgrowing 
> its previous space. --Sarah E. Needleman, 04/04/2011
> 
> See a slideshow with 9 pictures and captions here:  
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576236671257564628.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: SNOPES EXPOSED---Finally

[Joe]

Of course! Right wingers (often) take as fact whatever happens to land in their 
e-mail in-box. Not saying it never happens with those on the left, but in my 
personal experience, it happens to a far lesser degree.

I get literally dozens of these viral e-mail flames weekly from right wing 
friends. When I have time I dutifully take them down the road of actual fact 
checking. More often than I'd like to admit, their answer at the end is 
something akin to: "OK, so this one thing is bullshit...but I know that in 
general it IS true!"

Makes total sense to me that when the messenger of truth is so often Snopes, 
what do you do? You kill the messenger of course!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Right wing bullshit: http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp
> 
>  
> 
> Description: 
> C:\Users\Rick\AppData\Roaming\PixelMetrics\CaptureWiz\LastCaptures\2011-04-12_18-30-24-506.png
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri in Times Square

[Joe]

Ohhh Buck, your dome badge just keeps getting further and further away.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's beautiful pr. Incredibly on message just like Maharishi was.
> 
> Sri Sri ought to walk the Fairfield Square some day.  That would be worth a 
> photo.
> 
> And do the Fairfield Sondheim Theatre sometime too.  There is quite an active 
> satsang of AOL people in Fairfield.  There already have been some pretty 
> famous saints and spiritual teachers there at the Sondheim.  We'd all welcome 
> him too.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
> 
> -Buck in FF
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> >
> > the audience at Lincoln Center Sunday night was youngish - average age 
> > about 35 or 40 I would say.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > April 11, 2011, 5:09 pm
> > > 
> > > Seeking Bliss Among the Honks and Hisses
> > > By COREY KILGANNON
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   [Indian Meditation Guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar]
> > > 
> > > Richard Perry/The New York Times / The Indian meditation guru Sri Sri
> > > Ravi Shankar takes a walk through Times Square.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, 54, the Indian spiritual guru, said it was his
> > > first time in Times Square, as he walked up Broadway on Monday morning.
> > > 
> > > "It's a nice place for a stroll," he said. "A lot is
> > > happening."
> > > 
> > > Indeed there was. The Crossroads of the World was as hectic as ever,
> > > teeming with traffic and sidewalk crowds toward the end of the morning
> > > rush.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Shankar stood, taking it all in: police officers, tourists, office
> > > workers, vendors, bomb-sniffing dogs. Even for Mr. Shankar, who lives in
> > > the city of Bangalore, this might seem to be sensory overload: a news
> > > "zipper" sign overhead trumpeted items like "Long Island
> > > Serial Killer Taunting Victim's Teen Sister."
> > > 
> > > The guru smiled broadly — he always seems to be smiling — and
> > > ambled up Broadway, dressed in sandals, a flowing, white robe, and a
> > > tan, wool scarf. He has a full, dark head of hair and beard, and suffice
> > > to say, he stands out even in a crowded Times Square.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Shankar was in town to offer a workshop to inaugurate the program I
> > > Meditate NY, which provides meditation classes to deal with city stress.
> > > On Sunday, he conducted a program for 2,700 people at Avery Fisher Hall.
> > > 
> > > "There is so much energy here, you need help to cope with it
> > > all," he said, looking across Times Square. "When you have so
> > > many people of such diversity squeezed together, you need a lot of
> > > it."
> > > 
> > > Urban life would especially lend itself to his form of breathing and
> > > meditation, he said, with its goal of rejuvenating participants
> > > physically, mentally and emotionally.
> > > 
> > > "People who have a lot to do in life, they have a greater need to
> > > meditate," he said. "When you live in the middle of this
> > > hustle-bustle, and you have a lot of responsibilities and demands on
> > > you, you naturally have a greater longing for it."
> > > 
> > > "It is important for people to take a few minutes every day to sit
> > > with their eyes closed and look for inner peace," he said, walking
> > > up Broadway, and passing a panhandler holding up a cardboard sign with
> > > the words, "I listen to your problems for $2."
> > > 
> > > "You need a source of silence and sanity and it is healthy to
> > > clearing the mind," he said.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Shankar said he envisioned a world free of stress and violence and
> > > said that meditation helped nurture the individual love, compassion and
> > > enthusiasm to reach these broader goals.
> > > 
> > > Every few moments, he was interrupted by passers-by who recognized him.
> > > At 45th Street, a group of Indian immigrants bowed to him and smiled,
> > > and a half-block later, an English tourist, Charlotte West, 20, stopped
> > > him and said she took his meditation class at an ashram in India several
> > > years ago.
> > > 
> > > Then a truck rumbled down Seventh Avenue and the driver bellowed out:
> > > "Sri Sri Ravi, you're the greatest."
> > > 
> > > The guru's followers stared at each other and burst out in
> > > incredulous laughter. Mr. Shankar simply smiled and kept walking. Still
> > > smiling, he then passed Foot Locker, the Swatch store and a souvenir
> > > shop displaying "I Love New York" T-shirts.
> > > 
> > > That logo has been imitated by his group I Meditate New York, with the
> > > heart replaced by a sitting meditator.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Shankar founded the nonprofit Art of Living Foundation in 1982 to
> > > help spread the use of meditation to alleviate stress and societal
> > > problems and violence, he said, conducting programs for people of all
> > > religions and cultures.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Shankar's father was an auto executive, but young Ravi took a
> > > spiritual path 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great panel discussion on WikiLeaks

[Joe]

Amazing. I'm only 30 minutes or so in but I had to pause for a moment and thank 
you for the heads up. 

(and also for throwing some new conversation fodder into the cage.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> For those who are interested in WikiLeaks, pro or con,
> this is the most intelligent discussion about it I've
> seen. An hour and 35 minutes long, and worth it. Glenn
> Greenwald's analysis of the press reaction to WikiLeaks
> is scathing. His take on New York Times reporters and
> editors and the degree to which they are in the pockets
> of the government is extremely disturbing, *much* more
> so than the existence of WikiLeaks. 
> 
> http://www.salon.com/news/wikileaks/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/04/09/wikileaks
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the "economic psychology" model

[Joe]

God please (if there is a "god") make it stop! No one cares about this stuff! 
No one. I beg youif you care, please speak up now. If there's enough of 
"you" out there I'll never object again. (And I'll know my FFL days as a 
semi-participant are over.)

(PS: WillyTex's "vote" doesn't count. He's a total 'tard.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > On Apr 9, 2011, at 1:42 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> > 
> > > From the Yahoo search engine:
> > > authfriend + hater = 78 (http://tinyurl.com/44d865q)
> > > turquoiseb + hater = 42 (http://tinyurl.com/3umsn5j)
> > 
> > vaj + hater = 0
> 
> Actually, if you count the way Barry did above, you'll
> get:
> 
> vaj + hater = 11
> 
> Three of those instances were, in fact, extremely ugly.
> 
> Here's one, in response to a post noting the large number
> of documented sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton during the
> primary:
> 
> "Boy I'm so glad I found out what a women-hater Obama was!
> I knew he had to be hidin' sometin. And here I thought he
> was married to someone who's an archetype for empowered
> women...silly me! RD and Judy: don't forget to hide your
> guns where Obama's negro army won't find them! They's a
> comin' for uze guns!"
> 
> And another, in response to a post about misogyny on FFL:
> 
> "It's just such off-base rhetoric that I'm forced to look
> at the imbalanced person the remarks come from. It actually
> forces me to draw the only reasonable conclusion which is
> that these self-proclaimed feminists are men-haters at heart.
> They're posing as feminists in order to attempt to hide
> their own deep-seated ill will."
> 
> Here's the third, describing "the Fairfield Life Femi-nazis":
> 
> "They seem most likely to be women without current male
> relationships--at least one has never had a long-term male relationship. And 
> so they come across as "men haters",
> misandrists, but it seems to largely stem from sexual
> frustration and personalities not suited to balanced male relationships. In 
> the absence of a balanced relationship
> and something to fill the hole in their lives, they resort
> to projection."
> 
> It doesn't get a lot more hateful than that here.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba may croak

[Joe]

Not for Willy, Curtis. Any post is cause for Willy to trot out his tired 
routines. It never seems to bother him that 99% of the time he ends up pissing 
in the wind with no takers on his trolling.

He just runs the same tired schtick over and over and over...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > > I seriously think he should grow an afro, have his 
> > > > > skin darkened...
> > > > >
> > > > Have his skin darkened? This is another joke, right?
> > > >
> > curtisdeltablues:
> > > Got your Offend-O-Meter set a tad low don't ya Richard?  
> > > 
> > Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin, Curtis.
> 
> Nice try.  We were talking about Sai specifically.  Aren't there enough 
> legitimate things to be outraged about in this world that you
> don't have to contrive a perspective?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the "economic psychology" model

[Joe]

Well put as always Curtis. I would say the same about the term "MMY Bashers". 
Anything less than abject fawning over M becomes "bashing". Lazy terms used by 
lazy minds.

Hey, speaking of Glenn Beck, Jon Stewart was at his best last night with his 
dead on version of Beck:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/08/jon-stewart-glenn-beck_n_846540.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> > The TM tru-believers on one end, some practitioners in the middle, and the 
> > TM-haters on the other end.>
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to challenge the Glenn Beckiness of this idea of TM haters. Who 
> are you talking about?  Let's go down the list on this board.
> 
> Vaj seems to believe that TM is for dilettantes, spiritual babies who are not 
> ready for the real deal.  He does however seem to believe in the basic 
> structure of humans gaining higher states through spiritual practices.  He 
> doesn't seem to think TM can get you there.
> 
> So does he hate TM?  I think he has shown contempt for it as a spiritual 
> practice and doesn't seem to give Maharishi credit for being the most 
> important man in human history as he presents himself.  But all of this is 
> motivated by a certain earnestness in the ideal of the whole project of 
> spiritual practice.  He has contempt for TM because he doesn't believe it is 
> true to its advertising.  Can you really fault the guy for that since it is 
> what he truly believes and it is important to him?  His goals seem so similar 
> to your own.  
> 
> Barry also seems to see TM as a starter practice and prefers other versions, 
> but values meditation itself.  He has even given TM some credit for 
> beginners.  He has shown some contempt for the pompous posturings of 
> Maharishi about his status and seems to hate all the things in the current 
> movement that you do.
> 
> Me.  Well for all my Maharishi goofing I am quite nostalgic about my time 
> with the old guy.  I do think he was mostly full of shit but...drum roll...I 
> dig his TM.  Not having any lofty spiritual aspirations, I don't care if it 
> has training wheels or not.  And all the puja/bija mantra namahs add to the 
> cultural charm. I couldn't care less if my practice is giving some Hindu god 
> the prison courtesy of reach-around, I enjoy TM and have become quite 
> addicted to practicing it before shows.  And when I sit there in the 5 
> minutes of silence after I stop sticking my tongue in the ear of my favorite 
> multi-armed Hindu goddess, I feel positively beatific.  It is one of the peak 
> experiences that I look forward to in my day.
> 
> S I guess you must mean the camp that believes that TM has hurt them or 
> people they treat like John Knapp.  Perhaps he is an actual TM hater.  
> 
> I guess what I am saying is that TM-haters as a term is unnecessary drama as 
> a term for people who don't think about TM exactly as you do.  Most people 
> are TM-don't-give-a-shits.  You should feel lucky if any of us think about it 
> at all to even write.  It may prolong the inevitable death of this 
> fascinating micro-cultural movement for a minute or two longer.
> 
> (Sorry for any misrepresentations of Barry and Vaj's position but I missed 
> the last TM-haters meeting and don't have the latest talking points.)
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yea, I like the analysis but I'll stick with hope.  'Faith' is too 
> > > > > > loaded a word to graph in this.  Hope, like hope that Bobby could 
> > > > > > pull it off vs. hope that he won't pull it off.  And at that, what 
> > > > > > someone is going to do about it in either direction.  Buy long, 
> > > > > > hold, sell, sell short.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is a complexion of hope.  Throw a shaped curve across 
> > > > > > long-buyers to holders to short-sellers in spiritual groups.  It 
> > > > > > might be skewed right or left depending on the group.  TB's on one 
> > > > > > side, attenders to the middle, and short-selling on the other.  
> > > > > > Scale of:  hopeful, with hope, with little hope, without hope, 
> > > > > > hopeless, against all hope.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > With TM as it is now, you got TM-TB share holders "long" on one 
> > > > > > extreme and TM-haters on the other end working at "shorting" and 
> > > > > > some  in the middle somewhere along the scale.  I would hazard that 
> > > > > > the nuts are three standard deviations to either extreme.  Such is 
> > > > > > the TM community.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The cultists in either extreme are likely not that much different 
> > > > > > from each other in that the people in the middle between proly 
> > > > > > don't much trust either end.  And shouldn't?
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > Relative hope, faith, and tr

[FairfieldLife] Re: News about John Cowhig

[Joe]

John was one of M's main assistants/skin boys in the 70s. I haven't seen him in 
ages but my memories of him are of a very good guy.

Sal, what strikes you as "manipulative" about the passing of this info? A good 
guy is in need of help.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> Rick,
> I don't know this guy, and all this may be
> totally legit, but something about it just
> feels tacky (manipulative) to me.  
> Anyway, whoever he is I hope he gets better.
> 
> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> I just received the message below. I am forwarding it in case you are not a 
> member of the Facebook group "Friends of John Cowhig". Pardon any duplication 
> if you've received this message directly.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba may croak

[Joe]

Rick, you rock! This is why we love you brother.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of seventhray1
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:01 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba may croak
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> I would recommend that it be removed.  I don't think any association or
> implication of being a pedohphile is a good idea.  
> 
> Even worse is to actually be one, as evidence suggests Sai Baba is/was.
> 
> Things tend to be more funny when a joke is on someone else.  When someone's
> livlihood or even their pro bona activities involve association with school
> children then I don't think it's appropiate.  Of course it was meant to be a
> joke.  I don't think it worked.
> 
> My point about Curtis wasn't a joke. I seriously think he should grow an
> afro, have his skin darkened, have any necessary plastic surgery performed,
> learn Hindi, then go to India, and when Sai Baba dies, arrange to have the
> death covered up, then emerge from the hospital looking like a
> 30-years-younger Sai Baba. The devotees will be ecstatic! Curtis is probably
> better than Sai Baba at sleight of hand, so the vibhuti and cheap trinkets
> will continue to manifest, and the critics will be relieved to discover that
> the new, improved Sai Baba has changed his preference from young boys to
> mature women.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe I am just being anal.  No pun intended.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > I thought it was a joke, but for this comment - "But plenty more where
> > he came from". If its a joke please ignore, if not can you please care
> > to explain?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is what is called a stupid comment.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> > > > But plenty more where he came from. Curtis knows a little magic.
> > > Curtis, can
> > > > you grow an afro?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba may croak

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfwtX2kgOA

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> 
> > curtisdeltablues:
> > > I like children, girl children between 18 and 20!"
> > > 
> > What does your wife think of that? You're at least 
> > 50 years old, right?
> 
> Yeah, I'm too old for those younguns, that was just a great quote.  Chicks 
> under 40 are a total pain in the ass.  I'm dating age appropriate (older than 
> I am)  these days and am much happier!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The End of the Rishi

[Joe]

His and the family. BIG bucks there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:24 PM, wgm4u wrote:
> 
> ---
> > 
> >  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > 
> > but it wasn't just "away from God" per se, but *to* science...
> >> 
> >> Ot *to* $$, not that there's anything wrong with that,
> >> of course...
> >> 
> >> Sal
> > 
> > Yes, to money;  MMY believed that World Peace was "only a matter of money" 
> > to support the Yogic Flyers, (SBS fund) right or wrong, at least allow him 
> > the context he deserves.
> 
> So if he believed in it so much, why didn't 
> he put his own $$ into it?  
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba may croak

[Joe]

One less pedophile/fraudster in the system.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/42vrw3v
> 
> So the hospital is owned by his organization, eh? 
> I can just hear his doctor now: "Take a snort of 
> vibhuti, feel up several small boys' private parts, 
> and call me in the morning."
> 
> I knew a few former Sai Baba followers in Santa Fe. 
> All of them would join me in wishing him Godspeed 
> and good riddance.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Handsome Sportz Klub- Raza Skoota

[Joe]

Precisely!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> Nice.  Reminds me of another classic.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Getting ready for my annual trip to Munich. Nothing gets me in the mood for 
> > the trip more than the musik of Handsome Sportz Klub!
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukawx-x-qDk
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Handsome Sportz Klub- Raza Skoota

[Joe]

Getting ready for my annual trip to Munich. Nothing gets me in the mood for the 
trip more than the musik of Handsome Sportz Klub!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukawx-x-qDk

[FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Addiction (was Re: Subtle energy awareness...)

[Joe]

Precisely. In addition, "witnessing" could also be (note I said "could") 
symptomatic of dissociation.

Something good may be happening, something bad may be happening, something 
irrelevant may be happening.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
> > >
> > > could you let your own (limited) epistemology
> > 
> > I don't believe it is anymore limited than anyone elses.  
> > Maybe less so so than some.
> 
> I'm going to riff on this post by Curtis for a while
> because I think it pinpoints some interesting issues.
> The first is the distinction between a person who 
> sees himself as being on an equal footing with others 
> around him, as opposed to one who clearly sees himself 
> as being on a "higher" hierarchical plane.
> 
> > > Would there be a time to cowboy up yourself if you'd 
> > > be open to it (?).
> > 
> > To what exactly?  I don't feel a lack of anything in my 
> > life that another person could provide outside my own 
> > loved ones and friends.  I have great health and my mind 
> > does everything I want.  Spirtitual programs try to solve 
> > problems I don't have.  I am not a part of the "peaceless 
> > and suffering humanity" that Maharishi condescended to.
> 
> Hear, hear. I completely identify with Curtis's self
> description here. I feel the same way. WHY ON EARTH
> should I be interested in what others feel are "higher"
> or "better" experiences in life *if I don't see them
> as being either higher or better*? THEY think hier-
> archically, and see being a "spiritual follower" as
> somehow "better" than being a loner. THEY are seeking
> things that they've been *told* are "higher" or "better"
> than just being healthy, having a well-functioning mind,
> and having friends. THEY don't feel content with those
> things, and constantly have to seek for "more." And at
> the same time, curiously, THEY seem to believe that the
> fact that they DO need this "more" that they quest after
> and follow endless spiritual teachers to attain *makes
> them BETTER* than the people who are content with their
> lives. Go figure.
> 
> > > May be even leave your personal epistemologic strictures 
> > > to experience more differently? On the recommendation, 
> > > of a friend?
> 
> First of all, no one who ever suggests to me that I have
> to change my beliefs or lifestyle to become more like
> them is my "friend." I suspect Curtis feels the same way.
> 
> > I'm not sure anyone is in a position to know how differently 
> > my experience is now. You seem to be coming from an assumption 
> > that I am not already something or need some other experience 
> > without knowing what I have had or have now.  
> 
> *Whatever* you have not, it's not "enough." You have to
> be in "always seeking more" mode to qualify for accept-
> ance in Buck's world. And you have to be willing to PAY
> for that "more." He is as disdainful of those who have
> found their own "don't need no teacher to find my Way"
> path as he is of those who profess to have no path.
> 
> Again, IMO it's a result of buying into decades of 
> hierarchical thinking. 
> 
> Why do people believe that "witnessing" is a "higher"
> experience than not witnessing? If they had just exper-
> ienced witnessing without having been pre-programmed to
> see it as "something good happening," would they have
> assumed this? I think not. I think they would have 
> interpreted witnessing as Just One More Experience,
> neither "higher" nor "lower" than any other. The "higher"
> and "lower" thang comes from *what they have been told*
> by someone selling eternal seeking as a lifestyle, and
> one that you have to PAY for.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME's Joe Klein on the GOP's pathetic 2012 presidential line-up

[Joe]

No kidding. All you had to do was listen to George W. Bush's "speech" yesterday 
in honor of his father and compare/contrast that to Obama's speech honoring 
same to breath a big sigh of relief that the W. era has passed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:54 PM, do.rflex wrote:
> > 
> > > An Unimpressive Field
> > > 
> > > Joe Klein: "This is my 10th presidential campaign, Lord help me. I have 
> > > never before seen such a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, 
> > > embarrassing losers coagulated under a single party's banner. 
> > > 
> > > "They are the most compelling argument I've seen against American 
> > > exceptionalism... 
> > > 
> > > "There are those who say, cynically, if this is the dim-witted freak show 
> > > the Republicans want to present in 2012, so be it. I disagree. One of 
> > > them could get elected. You never know."
> > > 
> > > http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/29/american-embarrassment/
> > 
> > You know when they're holding Jeb Bush up as an
> > example of integrity things have gotta be bad.
> > 
> > Sal
> >
> 
> 
> I don't see any Republican whom I believe can beat Obama.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TMO using the "economic psychology" model

[Joe]

The absurdity of it is astounding. Would anyone viewing Bevan for few minutes 
or so say.."that's the shit, right there! THAT'S who I want to be like! Where 
do I sign up!"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yea, I like the analysis but I'll stick with hope.  'Faith' is too loaded 
> > > a word to graph in this.  Hope, like hope that Bobby could pull it off 
> > > vs. hope that he won't pull it off.  And at that, what someone is going 
> > > to do about it in either direction.  Buy long, hold, sell, sell short.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is a complexion of hope.  Throw a shaped curve across long-buyers 
> > > to holders to short-sellers in spiritual groups.  It might be skewed 
> > > right or left depending on the group.  TB's on one side, attenders to the 
> > > middle, and short-selling on the other.  Scale of:  hopeful, with hope, 
> > > with little hope, without hope, hopeless, against all hope.
> > > 
> > > With TM as it is now, you got TM-TB share holders "long" on one extreme 
> > > and TM-haters on the other end working at "shorting" and some  in the 
> > > middle somewhere along the scale.  I would hazard that the nuts are three 
> > > standard deviations to either extreme.  Such is the TM community.
> > > 
> > > The cultists in either extreme are likely not that much different from 
> > > each other in that the people in the middle between proly don't much 
> > > trust either end.  And shouldn't?
> > > 
> > > & Bobby is trying to move to the middle?
> > > 
> > > I think it is an interesting way of seeing what's going on.
> > > 
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > 
> > Wait, I am liking that word "faith" now in this analysis of yours about the 
> > TM community.
> > 
> > 
> > Let's scale 'faith' on an axis from:
> > 
> > "Long" on faith, holding with faith, 'holding', holding with lesser faith, 
> > leaving faithless, selling "short" on Faith, against all faith.
> > 
> > Throw a bell-shaped curve across that.  TB's "long" on faith, meditators or 
> > simple practitioners in the middle, and the haters working on the other 
> > extreme.
> > 
> > 
> > That " 'Faith and Belief' in Maharishi" is a strong root in the current 
> > TM-movement's fealty testing.  It's very hard to have a conversation with a 
> > real TM-TB'er about that.  They can't really see it.  However, that testing 
> > has through time propelled the Fairfield dome numbers towards insolvency 
> > dating back at least to Bevan and Maharishi, Gurupurnima 1994.  
> > Particularly,  "… the movement is for those who have faith and belief in 
> > Maharishi.  Everyone else should leave ... and leave us alone". -Bevan
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 
> > 
> > Other iterations of this they say are that "Fairfield is for those who have 
> > 'faith and belief' in Maharishi's Knowledge".  Even last summer when 
> > TM-Raja-ism got into reviewing the dome policies and guidelines after John 
> > Hagelin had started in to them, the undertow turned exactly on this kind of 
> > "Faith and Belief" test.
> > This application of "Faith and Belief in Maharishi" fealty got reaffirmed 
> > by the TM-Rajas and is still the essential policy of the guidelines.  This 
> > fictional video is not far from the truth of how this 'faith and belief' in 
> > practice con volutes:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOPXgBflM8I
> > 
> > It is kind of a 'hopeless' situation for the dome numbers now with what 
> > they have done.  It is really unfortunate. 
> > 
> > -Buck in FF
> > 
> >
> 
> Yep, this weekend going to Harry's memorial on campus I saw lot of old TM 
> movement friends up there.  His circle was old Purusha and old MIU.  It was 
> great fun seeing people and catching up.  I knew Harry back in 1971 and all 
> along.  
> 
> One person I was a little stunned to learn about was a guy who got kicked out 
> of the domes for using non-TM-movement joytish-i's .  This was a guy I 
> associate with 'long rounds' back before I got kicked out of the domes.  I 
> loved the long meditations.  Long meditations and creating coherence program 
> for years.  I had a job and life that allowed for that and this guy did too.  
> 
> Last year in the cross-fire between Bevan-conseervatives tightening the 
> guidelines and John Hagelin-progressives trying to get the numbers up this 
> guy got sought out and kicked out.  Jeesus, this is the kind of guy you'd 
> want meditating in a group.  Retired, has the time and an old powerful 
> meditator.  Out.  I'm really kind of stunned with this guy.  He is a good 
> plain guy really.  It is so arbitrary, who they go after.  It's just a bad 
> message.  And Bevan is going out around the country trying to get people of 
> the old TM movement to come to Fairfield?
>  
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Raja Emmanuel

[Joe]

Let me finish that for you.

shit.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Oh.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> >  Maharishi's Global Family Chat  SummaryMarch 23, 2011
> > Raja Emanuel birthday Extraordinary signs of rising invincibility in 
> > Germany were reported by Raja Emanuel on the occasion of his  birthday
> > today. He began by thanking all the Governors, Sidhas, and  meditators
> > for their efforts towards invincibility and then  enumerated some
> > beautiful changes:
> >  * A letter from the Minister of Defence of the  German
> > Government was received this morning, on Raja Emanuel's  birthday. In
> > complete contrast to decades-long government policy,  the minister
> > writes that he appreciates the contribution and  impulse for peace shown
> > by the Movement and is very happy about  it.  *  After
> > many years Germany has been admitted to  the UN Security Council, yet
> > the first act of the Foreign Minister  was to abstain from voting for
> > military action in Libya.  *  German Chancellor Merkel
> > has quickly changed  policy on nuclear power generators, already closing
> > 7, and there  is cooperative action by major political parties to shut
> > down all  the remaining 15 generators.  *  Road
> > fatalities in Germany have dropped by  about 75% in the past few years.
> > *  More favourable laws for the establishment of  tertiary
> > education institutions have been passed, and the Movement  has
> > immediately instituted proceedings to accredit Maharishi  Invincible
> > University for Germany, which will allow groups of  Yogic Flyers to
> > create harmony in the collective consciousness and  invincibility for
> > the nation.  *  A leading German university has enquired
> > about using TM meditators for research to test sophisticated new 
> > machinery which gauges the flexibility or rigidity of blood  vessels. Dr
> > Swan commented in his summary that German researchers  are famous for
> > their precision, and they therefore choose only the  most reliable,
> > predictable, and thoroughly proven technology to  test their new
> > machines, which is why they have chosen the  Transcendental Meditation
> > Technique.  *  The national TV came the Hannover Peace 
> > Palace to make a programme on the search for wisdom. When asked  what
> > was the greatest achievement of TM, Raja Emanuel said it was  the
> > cessation of enmity between the superpowers. The astonishment  of the
> > journalists gave the opportunity for a complete explanation  of
> > coherence in collective consciousness. When Raja Emanuel was  then asked
> > if he was wise, he explained that he is in the  fortunate possession of
> > the key to wisdom for everyone.
> >  Raja Emanuel's birthday wish is for all the  Rajas to experience the
> > bliss of using the Raam Global Development  currency which has been
> > accepted by the city government at the  Brahmasthan of Germany, and
> > which will enable all the big projects  for the invincibility of every
> > nation to be realized without delay.
> > <http://www.vedicpandits.org/subscribe.html>  NEW SERVICE now available
> > for Maharishi Channel 3 on  the iPad and iPhone. Subscribe  here
> > <https://www.mgcwp.org/ipad/> . See  the Maharishi Global Family Chat
> > summaries online
> > <http://www.maharishichannel.in/econtact/signup_form2.php>  Visit  the
> > Maharishi's Global Family Chat Archives
> > <http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/archive.html>  Contribute to 
> > the Maharishi Channel <http://www.maharishichannel.in/contribute.html>
> > <http://www.maharishichannel.in/contribute.html>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Raja Emmanuel

[Joe]

 Maharishi's Global Family Chat  SummaryMarch 23, 2011
Raja Emanuel birthday Extraordinary signs of rising invincibility in 
Germany were reported by Raja Emanuel on the occasion of his  birthday
today. He began by thanking all the Governors, Sidhas, and  meditators
for their efforts towards invincibility and then  enumerated some
beautiful changes:
 * A letter from the Minister of Defence of the  German
Government was received this morning, on Raja Emanuel's  birthday. In
complete contrast to decades-long government policy,  the minister
writes that he appreciates the contribution and  impulse for peace shown
by the Movement and is very happy about  it.  *  After
many years Germany has been admitted to  the UN Security Council, yet
the first act of the Foreign Minister  was to abstain from voting for
military action in Libya.  *  German Chancellor Merkel
has quickly changed  policy on nuclear power generators, already closing
7, and there  is cooperative action by major political parties to shut
down all  the remaining 15 generators.  *  Road
fatalities in Germany have dropped by  about 75% in the past few years.
*  More favourable laws for the establishment of  tertiary
education institutions have been passed, and the Movement  has
immediately instituted proceedings to accredit Maharishi  Invincible
University for Germany, which will allow groups of  Yogic Flyers to
create harmony in the collective consciousness and  invincibility for
the nation.  *  A leading German university has enquired
about using TM meditators for research to test sophisticated new 
machinery which gauges the flexibility or rigidity of blood  vessels. Dr
Swan commented in his summary that German researchers  are famous for
their precision, and they therefore choose only the  most reliable,
predictable, and thoroughly proven technology to  test their new
machines, which is why they have chosen the  Transcendental Meditation
Technique.  *  The national TV came the Hannover Peace 
Palace to make a programme on the search for wisdom. When asked  what
was the greatest achievement of TM, Raja Emanuel said it was  the
cessation of enmity between the superpowers. The astonishment  of the
journalists gave the opportunity for a complete explanation  of
coherence in collective consciousness. When Raja Emanuel was  then asked
if he was wise, he explained that he is in the  fortunate possession of
the key to wisdom for everyone.
 Raja Emanuel's birthday wish is for all the  Rajas to experience the
bliss of using the Raam Global Development  currency which has been
accepted by the city government at the  Brahmasthan of Germany, and
which will enable all the big projects  for the invincibility of every
nation to be realized without delay.
  NEW SERVICE now available
for Maharishi Channel 3 on  the iPad and iPhone. Subscribe  here
 . See  the Maharishi Global Family Chat
summaries online
  Visit  the
Maharishi's Global Family Chat Archives
  Contribute to 
the Maharishi Channel 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Egg(s) on their face, an exercise in hypocrisy

[Joe]

The only one coming off as "infantile" in their attempt here is you Whynot.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> First we had Turq here who loudly, shrilly and repeatedly proclaimed that he 
> NEVER read anything that I, Ravi or Judy wrote because...we didn't deserve 
> it, had nothing to offer, and some other excuses. We can see how that turned 
> out - He now has so much egg on his face that his head probably looks like an 
> uncooked omelette. 
> 
> Now here comes Vajrahdoodoo doing a similar thing, having proclaimed loudly 
> and shrilly that he doesn't read my posts and those of several others. Here's 
> the rub though. I have recently noticed a pattern emerging whereby I 
> humorously point out Vaj's obvious lack of self realization, and this is 
> followed shortly by blistering attacks by him on all things TM and "Mahesh". 
> Coincidence? Both of them are obviously too embarrassed and ego-bound to 
> admit their abrupt and self-serving about face on this, and choose instead to 
> be revealed as egg-faced hypocrites. 
> 
> A lot has been written by these "Ova Facie" masters about the supposed evils 
> of TM. I guess that's what NOT doing TM gets ya...
> 
> Now let's sit back and watch as Turq fumes and fidgets in his infantile 
> attempts to "get even" with me - even though he NEVER reads my posts - lol.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The lives of TM critics - a research article by Dr. Ravi Yogi.

[Joe]

I notice the same thing recently with regard to Judith's book. Before it came 
out, many of the TB minded folk here denied the possibility of MMY being "other 
than chaste" with women in the strongest terms.

Once the book came out (and other women began to come forward) the deniers were 
(in many cases) able to accommodate the new info and flip to a "I don't care 
that MMY did this" posture.

The 100% deniers here dwindled down to just one AFAIK, WillyTex. Oh, and maybe 
Nabby. (Or did Nabby go the "it doesn't matter" route?)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> >
> > From Lauren Slater's book, Opening Skinner's Box, page 113 
> > on Leon Festinger and a quote from his book, A Theory of 
> > Cognitive Dissonance:  "The psychological opposition of 
> > irreconcilable ideas (cognitions) held simultaneously by 
> > one individual, created a motivating force that would 
> > lead, under proper conditions, to the adjustment of one's 
> > belief to fit one's behavior - instead of changing one' 
> > behavior to fit one's belief (the sequence conventionally 
> > assumed)."
> > 
> > And on pages 116-117 of Slater's book Festinger describes 
> > what happens to cult believers who believed (based on 
> > automatic writing) that a huge flood called The Great 
> > Event would purify the earth on a specific date, kill 
> > millions and create a new order. Cult members sold homes, 
> > quit jobs, told the media etc. and then gathered together 
> > for the Great Event that night. When it failed to occur, 
> > what did they do?  They decided that "the little group 
> > sitting together all night long had spread so much light 
> > that god saved the world from destruction." They sent 
> > this out to all the news outlets who had been covering 
> > them.  Members proudly gave dozens of interviews to all 
> > major magazines.  They were so happy and proud to have 
> > saved the world.
> > 
> > Another aspect of cogn dissonance is that the less reward 
> > for the belief, the more strongly you will defend it 
> > (Lying for Money - if you are paid a decent amount, you 
> > easily admit the lie). another type - sever hazing results 
> > in a stronger allegiance to a group that mild hazing (the 
> > more time invested means harder to get out).
> > 
> > And this applies to all of us, not just TM'ers.  It applies 
> > to humans.
> 
> Great find, and great connection, wayback. Cognitive
> dissonance is *exactly* what I've been getting at in
> some of my determinism vs. free will raps. I simply
> don't buy that someone can believe (or, if they're
> too terrified to commit to having beliefs, have a 
> working supposition about) a deterministic world in
> which none of their decisions matter, and yet act 
> as if they *did* matter. I think that dichotomy 
> produces an intensely painful (but usually sub-
> conscious) cognitive dissonance.
> 
> The real kicker in all of this is if the TMO manages,
> through coercion, fear, intimidation of donors, or
> just ponying up the cash themselves, to "make the
> numbers" in the domes. What if they give a party 
> and world peace doesn't come?  :-)
> 
> My bet is that they'll do just what is documented
> above -- change their beliefs (and without realizing
> they're doing so) and suddenly realize that the magic
> number of buttbouncers wasn't really the magic number
> after all, and that more are necessary. To the TB,
> revisionist history of this sort is far preferable
> to saying, "Ooops...we fucked up."  :-)
> 
> Isn't the phenomenon suggested in the book above
> exactly what happened in the TMO over the years as
> Maharishi changed the dogma under people, and they
> managed to...uh...adjust as if the old dogma never
> existed? Take the siddhis. When he first started
> teaching, Maharishi gave innumerable lectures about
> how the siddhis were BAD, and that no one should
> ever entertain ideas of practicing them. Then he
> introduced "his" siddhis, and suddenly it was A-OK.
> No one skipped a beat. Hardly anyone remembered 
> the "old teaching," and just got on board the
> "new teaching" bus without a murmur.
> 
> Same with any number of "dogma reversals" over the
> years. The beliefs somehow got morphed to "fit" the
> latest, greatest dogma or theory or set of buzzwords.
> 
> My favorite is the famous set of talks in which MMY
> declared "the drop merging with the ocean" as the
> definitive, no-question-about-it reality of what 
> happens to a person who dies in CC. No further evo-
> lution, no further lives, no further individuality.
> Most in the audiences nodded their heads and said,
> "Yep. You're so right about that, Maharishi." After
> he died, many of those *same* nodders were talking
> about how Maharishi was in heaven, and higher than
> all the angels. Some talk of contact with his 
> individuality, from beyond the grave.
> 
> To do this kind of flip-flop, you've got to be able
> to completely divorce

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Yes indeed. Fully agree.

And why agree to show up for a discussion of a film that you "have not the 
slightest interest in." (I think that admission in our private e-mails was a 
very telling "oops" moment.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > I haven't had a chance to watch the Roth videos yet,
> > so I don't know how he uses it. It's just ironic that
> > you mocked him for using it when it's so often used
> > here by the critics.
> 
> 
> He played that card a number of times.  Once when referring to the
> spurned Shankacharya in India as "very, very, very" unhappy that he
> wasn't selected, and therefore critical of MMY.  That was pulling rank
> in the way he presented it (or at least as I perceived it).  Another
> oddity was when he put distance between him and the students.  Saying he
> didn't live there, so he couldn't comment on some of the policies. 
> Very, very, very lame.  This referred to the policy of revoking dome
> badges if you are caught, or at least open about visiting other saints. 
> Everyone knows the policies that are in place.  How disingenuous.
> 
> I think you lose your credibility right there.  Especially when you are
> on record as wanting to "address any and all issues, questions, and
> doubts"
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Damn, I was afraid of that! Well, here's to you then Ravi, drinker of 
"Maharishi Vodka™"!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> No Joeyji - soma is the Vodka that Maharishi hid in his cellars. Jim and 
> others got hold of it leaving the likes of you angry, bitter, miserable, 
> pathetic whiners and losers. What a sorry bunch of old farts you are...LOL.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Not weird at all Ravi, we're learning a lot! Could Absolut be the mythical 
> > Soma we've all heard about??
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have never tasted Skyy, I only drank Absolut Vodka for a few months
> > > before my awakening. I always had a bad liver and I could never drink
> > > hard liquor and I didn't drink any alcohol for most of my adult life.
> > > It sounds weird but I was able to down this vodka very easily during
> > > that period and I would drink everyday till I felt that oneness and it
> > > greatly helped me when the divine vodka actually started flowing.
> > > Just wanted to say I enjoy your emails as well - concise to the point,
> > > entertaining most of the times and had a great laugh with the "wet
> > > paints" message and sure enough Turq fell for it.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are divine vodka and Skyy the same thing??
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > > > Thank you, but this is not a line Steveji. You can see this
> > > pattern
> > > > > > developing my whole life and you must have noticed it on FFL since
> > > > > last
> > > > > > year, I am in a deep intense loving relationship with my beloved
> > > and I
> > > > > > am definitely going to attack any pimp that makes fun of my
> > > beloved.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the pimp/beloved descriptions, and I like the divine vodka as
> > > > > well.  I mean really sometimes I think you miss the mark, but a lot
> > > of
> > > > > times I think you hit it.  But it almost always is entertaining. 
> > > And I
> > > > > don't mean that in a condescending way.  Ready, fire, aim has it's
> > > > > drawbacks, but it also is fun to watch.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Not weird at all Ravi, we're learning a lot! Could Absolut be the mythical Soma 
we've all heard about??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> I have never tasted Skyy, I only drank Absolut Vodka for a few months
> before my awakening. I always had a bad liver and I could never drink
> hard liquor and I didn't drink any alcohol for most of my adult life.
> It sounds weird but I was able to down this vodka very easily during
> that period and I would drink everyday till I felt that oneness and it
> greatly helped me when the divine vodka actually started flowing.
> Just wanted to say I enjoy your emails as well - concise to the point,
> entertaining most of the times and had a great laugh with the "wet
> paints" message and sure enough Turq fell for it.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Are divine vodka and Skyy the same thing??
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > > Thank you, but this is not a line Steveji. You can see this
> pattern
> > > > developing my whole life and you must have noticed it on FFL since
> > > last
> > > > year, I am in a deep intense loving relationship with my beloved
> and I
> > > > am definitely going to attack any pimp that makes fun of my
> beloved.
> > >
> > >
> > > I like the pimp/beloved descriptions, and I like the divine vodka as
> > > well.  I mean really sometimes I think you miss the mark, but a lot
> of
> > > times I think you hit it.  But it almost always is entertaining. 
> And I
> > > don't mean that in a condescending way.  Ready, fire, aim has it's
> > > drawbacks, but it also is fun to watch.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

You're gathering a very enlightened posse' Ravi. Congratulations!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe:
> > > Man, it so great to have you writing here
> > > again Curtis!
> > >
> > It is great to have the TMO posting here!
> >
> > Confessing to all their sins of the past and
> > detailing all their self-justification - so
> > close to MMY that they could almost read MMY's
> > mind. Maybe it was they that were doing all of
> > the mind-controlling of MMY, instead of the
> > other way around - they sure are a persuasive
> > bunch - hypnotic, in a way. LoL!
> >
> 
> LOL..., spot on Willytex, what a bunch of fucking retards.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Thanks Ravi, mighty "yogic' of you to say that.

Jim, being enlightened and all, knows me like the back of his hand. He knows a 
control freak when he sees one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim, yeah like I said for me FFL is a pub and I come here drunk
> to sometimes engage in brawls and I got pumped after after reading all
> crap from Curtis and Mike. A yogi's gotta have some entertainment.
> But these guys are bitter, angry, hurt, disappointed whereas I'm full of
> energy, drunk on my divine vodka and satiated after orgies with my
> beloved. I was ready for a brawl last night, no pimp gets away making
> fun of my beloved. But I didn't want to pick on him because of his poor
> health that's been discussed on this last. Plus he and others are still
> licking their wounds that I inflicted on them last May, they need some
> time to heal.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, Joe has a similar control freak nature as Turq in this case - no
> drinking on-line and get to bed on time dammit! These things are
> important. After all if everyone just did as they pleased, what kind of
> world would we live in? We NEED external rules, and discipline and
> control!!! Don't you listen?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

The "ting" isthere is a reason why people bring this having-been-close-to-M 
up. There really is a shared understanding among those who spent significant 
time around the inside and around M. For me, it's the reason why, when I view 
Bobby's talk, instead of just going all negative, my first thought was to 
admire his technique in handling difficult questions in a public setting. 

It's also the reason, my communications with him were not attacking in 
nature.I know what it is to feel blissfully secure in the knowledge that 
you really "have" it. Curtis laid that out so clearly this morningthat 
feeling of being in an environment so intoxicatingly full of "this is it" 
security that you just wallow in it.

I'm sorry, but unless you've spent significant time in that zone, there are 
things about it that are difficult to convey or understand. Call it conceit if 
you like. For me its just something that happened at that time of my life. 
Something powerful in many ways and something I've (mostly) never tired of  
ruminating about. It's the reason why, when others mock true believers of other 
"paths" my mocking must contain a large degree of self mocking. I can no longer 
say "these people must be nuts!", without adding that I know first hand what it 
is to be a "nut".

In my music production life, I spend a lot of time working with jazz musicians. 
There's a similar kind of code, a language if you will, where those who are 
just dabbling are quickly found out. On occasion (usually for sonic reasons) I 
get called on to produce classical music. There I feel like a complete fraud 
since I'm just a fan, instead of someone who has lived, breathed and been next 
to the source. I announce right up front, that I am a fraud, that I am here to 
make sure it all sounds great, that I am no expert on this music. 

I've found that its good to get this out of the way right from the start. The 
musicians appreciate it and we can move on to complete the project with a 
common understanding.

Point is, there really is a common understanding that folks who, for a time, 
devoted their all to being around M, all understand. 

I guess you could consider it "pulling rank" as a debate tool if you like, but 
there really IS something about the intense vibe in and around M that is 
difficult to convey to those who weren't there.

Now this other tactic of "I was closer to M than you were" really is, as you 
say, a conceit of ego. Lately, I've been running into that more around people 
who really were, to one degree or another, around M for a period of time

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > "the "let-me-tell-you-[how-]close-I was-to Maharishi" rap that
> > seems to be hard wired into these guys."
> > 
> > Funny how both sides of the coin exhibit this conceit. There
> > are a couple of our chums here on FFL who are often making
> > the distinction that they were TM teachers
> 
> Yeah, this is tricky for one of the critics in particular,
> who makes a huge deal of the fact that someone who's
> disagreeing with him "never met MMY" or "was never even
> in the same room with MMY," whereas *he* had spent time
> with MMY, as if that somehow automatically invalidated
> anything the other person might say about MMY or his
> teaching, and of course also automatically made the critic
> *Right* about whatever *he* was maintaining.
> 
> Curtis frequently pulls his sat-at-MMY's-feet rank too,
> albeit in not so ridiculous a manner.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

"Sexual energy devoted to the movement"?

Please, do tell.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> >
> Roth and persons like Roth cannot leave the TM movement...
> They have so much passion and sexual energy devoted to the movement and to 
> Maharishi and Bevan, it would be impossible...
> This is the reason why they insist on being blind to the truth...
> 
>
> R.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

I'll write you off line. I only even mentioned it since it has already been 
noted on other sites including Judith's own.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Any detail about a meeting between Jerry and Judith would be welcome on or 
> offline.
> 
> As far as Judith being "delightful company" I think Maharishi's selection 
> pretty much proved that a long time ago!  He certainly had his choices to 
> pick from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Much like the TMO has decided to do with Judith Bourque. The party line is 
> > a simple "she's crazy" or "it's a lie".
> > 
> > I told Bob that instead of saying that Judith's book is a lie (if that's 
> > how he really feels), how about a more nuanced answer the next time someone 
> > asks, like "the book may or may not be true, but it doesn't effect my own 
> > feelings about M or my practice of TM."
> > 
> > I pointed out that as much time as he had spent around M that he was not 
> > literally with him 24/7 in those daysnone of us were. So he cannot say 
> > with any certainty that he knows what M did behind the door when a woman 
> > was with him.
> > 
> > A fair number of people (including Jerry Jarvis) have been able to meet and 
> > spend time with Judith on her current trip to the US. Instead of a "crazy 
> > woman" they find instead a very thoughtful, charming and good humored woman 
> > who is delightful company. 
> > 
> > Reality has a way of intruding on fantasy.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > Interesting question. I was giving respect for responding to me at all
> > > > which is kind of new from a person of his movement status since my
> > > > defection. Since it was not a public forum and of no use to him as a PR
> > > > image move I respect that he cared enough to respond and acknowledge his
> > > > error. I'm sure my press quotes have been a pain in his ass for quite
> > > > some time now.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, in one sense, since he is the PR man, he should acknowledge 
> > > > errors> and apologise for them.  But I think he would do it anyway.
> > > 
> > > But his cavalier use of my name to boost the credibility that he was on 
> > > top of all dissenting points of view had already served his purpose.  In 
> > > other words no one was interested in finding out what the facts were 
> > > beforehand.  Movement reps have been saying weird shit about me to the 
> > > press for years without ever having talked with me after I left.  They 
> > > just created a narrative that explained me away without feeling the need 
> > > to be bothered by facts.  Once I had crossed over they didn't feel a need 
> > > for discussion.  They needed to say something that would explain my 
> > > perspective; that I was in it for the money as the most common accusation 
> > > because of the other people suing TM.  Or that I had never meditated 
> > > properly!  The idea that I might have been as sincere as they were in my 
> > > finding my own POV on Maharishi's teaching was never an option.  It was 
> > > always seen as a cover for something more devious.  Or was being used by 
> > > some group with an evil agenda.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Sorry for the confusion. Husband and wife. The wife was hosting Judith and was 
clearly quite interested in and open to what she had to say. The husband had 
not read the book but openly stated that he thought it was "dragging M's name 
in the mud." 

When I assured him that the tone of the book was mostly loving, he said he 
might read it after all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, he ran a bunch of that on me as wellthe
> "let-me-tell-you-close-I was-to Maharishi" rap that seems to be hard
> wired into these guys.
> 
> He even felt compelled to tell me that he was on the plane with M's body
> back to India. So there! I heard a load of that a few weeks ago from
> another guy, at whose house Judith Bourque was staying.  This sounds a
> little odd.  So, Judith was staying at the house of someone who did not
> buy into the accusations in the book, or that there was a group of
> people at someone's house, and this person was one of  those people?
> 
> (By the way, this guy now claims that he knew about the sexual
> activities of M all along, but that it's A-OK with him since he's
> Maharishi after all, who can do no wrong! But that's another story for
> another time.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Much like the TMO has decided to do with Judith Bourque. The party line is a 
simple "she's crazy" or "it's a lie".

I told Bob that instead of saying that Judith's book is a lie (if that's how he 
really feels), how about a more nuanced answer the next time someone asks, like 
"the book may or may not be true, but it doesn't effect my own feelings about M 
or my practice of TM."

I pointed out that as much time as he had spent around M that he was not 
literally with him 24/7 in those daysnone of us were. So he cannot say with 
any certainty that he knows what M did behind the door when a woman was with 
him.

A fair number of people (including Jerry Jarvis) have been able to meet and 
spend time with Judith on her current trip to the US. Instead of a "crazy 
woman" they find instead a very thoughtful, charming and good humored woman who 
is delightful company. 

Reality has a way of intruding on fantasy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > > Interesting question. I was giving respect for responding to me at all
> > which is kind of new from a person of his movement status since my
> > defection. Since it was not a public forum and of no use to him as a PR
> > image move I respect that he cared enough to respond and acknowledge his
> > error. I'm sure my press quotes have been a pain in his ass for quite
> > some time now.
> > 
> > Well, in one sense, since he is the PR man, he should acknowledge errors> 
> > and apologise for them.  But I think he would do it anyway.
> 
> But his cavalier use of my name to boost the credibility that he was on top 
> of all dissenting points of view had already served his purpose.  In other 
> words no one was interested in finding out what the facts were beforehand.  
> Movement reps have been saying weird shit about me to the press for years 
> without ever having talked with me after I left.  They just created a 
> narrative that explained me away without feeling the need to be bothered by 
> facts.  Once I had crossed over they didn't feel a need for discussion.  They 
> needed to say something that would explain my perspective; that I was in it 
> for the money as the most common accusation because of the other people suing 
> TM.  Or that I had never meditated properly!  The idea that I might have been 
> as sincere as they were in my finding my own POV on Maharishi's teaching was 
> never an option.  It was always seen as a cover for something more devious.  
> Or was being used by some group with an evil agenda.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Curtis have you ever thought of writing a book? You have the gift brother...

Your life has been anything but run-of-the-mill you know. Write it all down!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> He is a long way from the most hateful version of that with Glen Beck on
> one end of the scale and the little waif who earnest told me in the
> Safeway yesterday that some of the Girl Scout cookies she was selling
> were NOT fattening. She never broke eye contact while she said it.
> > >
> >
> That's a keeper! (-:
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Yep, he ran a bunch of that on me as wellthe "let-me-tell-you-close-I 
was-to Maharishi" rap that seems to be hard wired into these guys. He even felt 
compelled to tell me that he was on the plane with M's body back to India. So 
there! I heard a load of that a few weeks ago from another guy, at whose house 
Judith Bourque was staying. (By the way, this guy now claims that he knew about 
the sexual activities of M all along, but that it's A-OK with him since he's 
Maharishi after all, who can do no wrong! But that's another story for another 
time.)

Like you, I was surprised and, truth be told, probably flattered that I 
received a long e-mail back from him a few hours after he received my own long 
winded rant.

His tone was respectful, but he did say that he had no interest whatsoever in 
the topics presented in the David Wants To Fly film, that his only interest was 
in continuing his teaching. That (and several other comments) led me to write 
another long response where, among other things, I asked "why, if you have no 
interest in the film, did you agree to get up in front of a roomful of MUM 
students to discuss this film that you have no interest in?"

Back and forth it went but the last communication from him was a simple "I 
agree with much of what you say." I may be delusional but I thought perhaps a 
door had been opened, if only a crack.

Man, it so great to have you writing here again Curtis!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Hey Joe
> 
> That is really cool that you have had some more back and forth with Bob.  I 
> can remember when I too believed that any problem in the movement could be 
> faced and solved. It comes from a deep conviction in the goodness of it all 
> and it is hard not to root for the guy.
> 
> But alas some of the basic premises are flawed, this building was constructed 
> on sand.  Life's tragi-comedy played out for all to see on the mighty 
> Youtube.  I could see Bob referring to his years in the movement, his 
> proximity to Maharishi, even quoting how Maharishi praised him for being 
> sincere which in the old days was more than enough for us to turn our 
> intellect Vita-Mixers off for an evening of imputing the "newest thinking" 
> unimpeded with the speed bumps of "you're just making this shit up as you go 
> along aren't you?"
> 
> And the loser might well be poor innocent little TM whose value gets lost by 
> dressing her up Jonbenet Ramsey style and making her sing about being a 
> cowboy sweetheart and will make you all enlightened up if you faithfully do 
> it.  So enlightened that NATURE itself (wink wink nudge nudge coughsGOD) will 
> support you.  As my MIU diploma says the graduates' impulses of desire will 
> be supported by ALL the laws of nature.  And all the puppy dog tails will be 
> made of liquorish and the fountains will flow with whatever is the latest 
> micro brew concoction from those Seattle brewers who spend all day thinking 
> "how can we get more of a citrus note in this pilsner?" God love em!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Dudeme too! I was telling my wife (and also telling Rick) that I was, 
> > in a bizarre way, admiring his talk since he was doing what I did for 
> > years.only better!
> > 
> > I always thought I was one of the masters of the 'hey, I'm a regular guy, 
> > how weird could this really be" schtick. But Bobby really does have it down 
> > cold.
> > 
> > Now, let me say, after having corresponded with him for a few days, I 100% 
> > believe that Bob is trying to be honest in his expressed thoughts. He 
> > really IS a very nice man, of that I have no doubt. I feel like we could 
> > hang and probably have a great time. 
> > 
> > He is a guy in process, a guy who clearly cares very much about what he got 
> > from MMY, but who clearly knows that there are things that need to be 
> > fixed, things that are just plain screwed up about the current TMO. Best to 
> > leave it at that for now.
> > 
> > I truly wish him the best.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Brought me right out of lurk-mode!
> > > > 
> > > > Welcome back. :)
> > > 
> > > Hey Sal
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Bob was always nice to me when 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Clearly. Hope you get what you needand fast.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> No Joeyji I'm drunk on the bottle of divine Vodka that my divine mother
> gave me. I'm hanging out at the FFL Pub ready to engage in a brawl.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Miss your meds Ravi?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Doughney" mike@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > > As a critic, most of what I do is just bringing up the
> > > > > fact that everything in the rest of the system TM is
> > > > > hard-wired to is anti-scientific, anti-medicine,
> > > > > sexist, and generally repulsive if not just completely
> > > > > out of touch with reality.
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiosity, why do you bother? How does it
> > > > benefit you?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike and Curtis lead such
> > > pathetic lives that their lives revolve around attacking TM. Its
> quite
> > > obvious if you think about it, they missed the boat while the man
> was
> > > here, now these retards feel cheated.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Yep, that was more than weak and I called him on it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I got an immediate apologetic reply from Bob. Respect.
> >
> > This era of instant communication rocks!
> >
> It was so lame on his part to try to put the cause of disilllusionment
> of the dissenters on the year 1975, and drugs.  How can you really
> respect someone who stoops to that kind of dirty trick.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga

[Joe]

I have this feeling that alcohol might be involved.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that you and others are trying to discuss  it shows that we
> are
> > > still in the Kali Yuga..
> > >
> >
> > The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in
> Kali
> > Yuga.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Retardshri Tompally Maharaj - you are right. Lets dawn in that Sat
> Yuga by reigning in this mad yogi, its not too late to asunder him, his
> ex tried and failed numerous times.  I could provide her number so you
> can both compare notes and try some new strategy. Let me if you need any
> other help.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Miss your meds Ravi?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Doughney" mike@ wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > As a critic, most of what I do is just bringing up the
> > > fact that everything in the rest of the system TM is
> > > hard-wired to is anti-scientific, anti-medicine,
> > > sexist, and generally repulsive if not just completely
> > > out of touch with reality.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, why do you bother? How does it
> > benefit you?
> >
> 
> Barry's got this right - retards like him, Mike and Curtis lead such
> pathetic lives that their lives revolve around attacking TM. Its quite
> obvious if you think about it, they missed the boat while the man was
> here, now these retards feel cheated.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Give him a moment.he's in process.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >  think he seriously compromised whatever credibility 
> > he might have had on this one, when he basically 
> > said he didn't believe anything in the book, without
> > having read it. He didn't actually say whether or 
> > not he'd read it, but I'll bet $$ that he didn't.
> >  
> > He has.
> 
> Oh, OK, thanks Rick.  I wonder, then, how he 
> maintains his "I just don't believe it"
> stance.  Isn't the evidence she presented
> quite compelling?  Almost unimpeachable,
> as it were?  
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

No kidding. FFL is a lesser place without Curtis.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:01 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on
> YouTube
> 
>  
> 
>  All good points. It was movement rope-a-dope. I was fascinated because I
> used to do the same thing but not quite as well (he has had more practice!)
> He is unaware that he is not satisfying the questioners and is relying on
> his absolute confidence and conviction and his stating his intention to be
> open.(without needing to be so) It is all so well intentioned and earnest
> that it is a bit touching to see him get chewed up by those crusty
> Euro-students. It was like seeing a boxer from another era, past his prime,
> getting his lights punched out. I kinda felt for the guy. I cheered against
> him when he tried to roll Judith, but cheered for him when he wasn't buying
> that anyone has hovered. Perhaps the lamest point was the attempt at
> self-effacing humor that he was "old" at age 60 so he couldn't remember the
> questions. He must have felt how old he was in that room full of those
> wipper-snappers! But it isn't that he is old, it is that he is a square. He
> really can't relate to the kids on a level beyond schtick. They knew he
> wasn't really leveling with them and he knew they knew. I was riveted on all
> the videos, this was epistemological theater, a drama of earnest confidence
> against a tsunami wall of internet savvy WTF!!!served up through the
> youthful beards and the natural pompous piercing lances of youth. Those kids
> will be just fine and must have had a great laugh about the things gramps
> tried to lay on them back in their high-bandwidth cyber-dorms. And then some
> lusty banging doing all the things that Bob gave up so he couldn't even
> imagine that Maharishi had more in common with them then with him. 
> 
> 
> 
> Good to have you back Curtis. No one writes like you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Dudeme too! I was telling my wife (and also telling Rick) that I was, in a 
bizarre way, admiring his talk since he was doing what I did for years.only 
better!

I always thought I was one of the masters of the 'hey, I'm a regular guy, how 
weird could this really be" schtick. But Bobby really does have it down cold.

Now, let me say, after having corresponded with him for a few days, I 100% 
believe that Bob is trying to be honest in his expressed thoughts. He really IS 
a very nice man, of that I have no doubt. I feel like we could hang and 
probably have a great time. 

He is a guy in process, a guy who clearly cares very much about what he got 
from MMY, but who clearly knows that there are things that need to be fixed, 
things that are just plain screwed up about the current TMO. Best to leave it 
at that for now.

I truly wish him the best.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > 
> > > Brought me right out of lurk-mode!
> > 
> > Welcome back. :)
> 
> Hey Sal
> 
> 
> > 
> > > Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great "oh shucks" Jerry 
> > > style movement spokesperson.  But he has some facts wrong.  He claims in 
> > > this section that I started a group called TM-EX.  
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giY&NR=1
> > > 
> > > Not only did I not start the group,
> > 
> > Not only did he get that wrong, Curtis, he contradicted
> > himself.  First he stated you "started" the group 30 years
> > ago~~when you were pretty much just starting your 
> > TM career~~and then he mentioned 1985 as some kind
> > of seminal year, which was still well before you had left 
> > the TMO, correct?
> 
> Yeah he got the dates wrong but it was a long time ago. I was still teaching 
> in 85, I left in 89 I think.  Later in one of the videos he basically says 
> all the dissenters were around 75 and that they had all used too many drugs!  
> Of course to these MIU kids all these dates might as well be 1963!
> 
> > 
> > > I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people 
> > > involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and 
> > > I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement.  
> > > The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event 
> > > they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed 
> > > by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same 
> > > criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we considered to be the 
> > > most important issues was very different.  Some of them believed that 
> > > they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not.
> > > 
> > > Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion 
> > > of the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his 
> > > statements which is undeserved in this case.  Like most fulltime people 
> > > Bob seems unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in 
> > > the movement.
> > > 
> > > I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have 
> > > any corroborating details.  It has many.  
> > 
> > I think he seriously compromised whatever credibility 
> > he might have had on this one, when he basically 
> > said he didn't believe anything in the book, without
> > having read it.  He didn't actually say whether or 
> > not he'd read it, but I'll bet $$ that he didn't.
> > 
> > That was basically the jist of the whole talk, IMO~~
> > simply either avoid answering the question, or claim
> > you didn't know.  It happened over and over, with the
> > stories about MMY's relatives, the dome policy with
> > regard to other teachers, censorship, and just about
> > anything else he wasn't comfortable dealing with.
> > I didn't sense any overt hostility~~he was quite friendly~~
> > but I didn't sense either any desire to clear the air and
> > deal honestly from now on.  Basically what I heard seemed
> > to be more of the same old stuff. I wanted to listen to
> > as many of the videos as I could before commenting, and I found most
> > of it to be, once again, a fascinating exercise in dissembling.
> > He says he's on Purusha and doesn't live in FF and
> > therefore isn't familiar with MUM or the rules.  Then,
> > why ask him to get up there and answer questions, many
> > of which are going to be about those things he says he
> > knows nothing about? (All the while claiming vast, 40-year
> > experience with the TMO.)  But really, he lost me from
> > the moment I opened the first video, #3, when his
> > first question came from someone who addressed him as
> > "doctor."  Groan~~not *that* again!  What's he a doctor
> > of, dissimulation?  And what kind of course-work did
> > he do for his doctorate?  Let me guess...
> 
> All good points.  It was movement rope-a-dope.  I was fascinated 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

True, I can verify that. He's views may be "in process' so to speak on that 
point.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:32 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on
> YouTube
> 
>  
> 
>  I think he seriously compromised whatever credibility 
> he might have had on this one, when he basically 
> said he didn't believe anything in the book, without
> having read it. He didn't actually say whether or 
> not he'd read it, but I'll bet $$ that he didn't.
> 
>  
> 
> He has.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Absolutely, but put up the real verified financials of the Indian TMO. THOSE 
are the ones that are deeply (and I mean DEEPLY) hidden from view.

You want donations for a "Maharishi Yagya™" for the people of Japan? Show us 
what you got!

(You can't so you won't. Punks. Crooks. Thieves.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > No. I just watched all 14 of the Youtubes of Bobby Roth
> > answering q's.
> > 
> > Tough job.
> > Bobby did good. 'Bout time someone came out and said,
> > "We are not that, we are this".  That was great.
> 
> Now, if they'ed just put some real fucking current financial statements
> like balance sheets, income, expense and cash statements on their
> web pages. Then they might be able to get beyond the past millions and 
> billions.  Mmy is dead, the past is the past, get current.
> 
> Not pie charts but real audited statements by real accounting firms signed
> by real people for truthfulness.
> 
> They always reference the IRS, but financial statements are different than 
> filing for the IRS.  Put up the real stuff.  What do they still have to hide?
> 
> With a lot of fanfare they used to skim cash off tuitions at MSAE and MUM and 
> send it off.  Do they still do that?
> 
> 
>   
> > It's about time.
> > I'm glad there is another conservative meditator willing
> > to defend the Knowledge here against all these haters based on experience
> > besides me.
> > 
> > Jai Guru Dev,
> > -Buck in FF
> > 
> > Take a look too:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgjl7EBWrc&feature=related
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTube

[Joe]

Same here. I had a great back and forth with Bobby a few days ago that ended 
with him saying "I agree with much of what you have to say". I think most of 
you know what I have to say, so I was greatly encouraged by that.

Damn Curtis! It's great to have you back brother! The place is not the same 
without youFFL NEEDS you! Stick around.interesting times.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> 
> > Good to hear from you Curtis. Would you like me to forward this to Bobby, 
> > or> maybe something you modify for that purpose?
> 
> Thanks Rick, as you probably saw by now Bob and I are cool.  Refreshingly so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:10 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on
> > YouTube
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Good to hear from you Curtis. Would you like me to forward this to Bobby, or
> > maybe something you modify for that purpose?
> > 
> > Brought me right out of lurk-mode!
> > 
> > Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great "oh shucks" Jerry
> > style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this
> > section that I started a group called TM-EX.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giY
> >  &NR=1
> > 
> > Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual
> > separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of
> > them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my
> > criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is
> > because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course
> > in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared
> > some of the same criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we
> > considered to be the most important issues was very different. Some of them
> > believed that they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not.
> > 
> > Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion of
> > the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his statements
> > which is undeserved in this case. Like most fulltime people Bob seems
> > unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in the movement.
> > 
> > I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have any
> > corroborating details. It has many. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  ]
> > > On Behalf Of wayback71
> > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Q&A session on "David Wants to Fly" on
> > > YouTube
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I
> > > watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being
> > who
> > > he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. 
> > > 
> > > He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland

[Joe]

Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!

(Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red ties.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: "Run away!"

[Joe]

Much like people who believe that sending money to something called the  
"Brahmanada Saraswati Foundation" in order for a giant "Maharishi Yagya™" to be 
performed will have an effect other than enriching MMY's family.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > As counterpoint to the "Believe what the government tells you"
> > > talking points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert,
> > > I thought I'd post a little advice from someone who's Been There
> > > Done That with believing what governments say in the wake of 
> > > nuclear disasters.
> > > Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as
> > > Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors
> > > among those directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl,
> > 
> > I've been out of town again and haven't been following this 
> > topic closely, but I don't recall Judy denying that there 
> > is a serious radiation hazard in the immediate vicinity of 
> > the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl. 
> > My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based, 
> > Tinfoilhatistani proclamations that there is a serious 
> > radiation danger, here in the USA, thousands of miles away.
> 
> And I'm just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS LIE.
> The governments of France and Germany denied over
> and over that there was any danger posed to French
> or German citizens by Chernobyl. They said this
> publicly while privately hosing down every truck
> crossing their borders and (in really small print) 
> advising people not to let their children play 
> outside and to hold their breath as cars passed by. 
> 
> While I am aware that there is a lot of potential
> tinfoilhattery in a situation like this, I think
> that the history of the last few decades suggests
> that anyone who believes what they are told by
> their government is, simply put, a fool.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Urgent Relief for Japan

[Joe]

"Our meditating brothers and sisters in Japan are calling to us for help;"

How about our "non-meditating" brothers and sisters in Japan Merlin? 

Seriously, this is the most shameful and corrupt appeal I've even seen the TMO 
attempt to foist. Instead of forwarding this corrupt appeal to a soul, or 
donating a dime to this so called "Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation"  (how 
clever to hijack Guru Dev's name for money collection), do something REAL to 
help people in Japan and click on the "Japan Relief" button at the top left of 
this page.

I would encourage everyone to respond to this appeal directly to those idiots 
who wrote it:
 Raja John Hagelin, Raja of America
> Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister
> Raja John Konhaus, Raja of Japan
> Raja Harris Kaplan, Raja of India

Tell them this appeal reeks to high heaven from the inside. Tell them that this 
is clear evidence of the rot that the TMO has become.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin  wrote:
>

> 
>  PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS >>>
> 
>  
> Giving Our Strong Support to the People of Japan 
>   
> Dear Meditators, 
> As you are all aware, the situation in Japan is critical 
> The death toll has reached 7,000, with another 10,000 still missing. The 
> devastation from the earthquake is widespread and severe. And while the 
> radiation from the six damaged reactors has been largely isolated thus far, 
> at least two of them remain at substantial risk of a disastrous eruption. 
> Our meditating brothers and sisters in Japan are calling to us for help. And 
> while we are contributing a great deal through our daily 
> meditationsâ€"especially those on the IA Assemblyâ€"there is one more very 
> powerful thing we can and must do. 
> We must harness the Vedic technology of prevention through Yagya. Whereas 
> group meditation and Yogic Flying produce a powerful, generalized, 
> non-directed surge of positivity for the general well-being of society, 
> Maharishi Yagyas create a very focused, concentrated influence of positivity 
> designed to neutralize a specific threat. 
> To this end, we invite you to join us in establishing a special emergency 
> fund to create a very large, sustained Yagya for Japan. 
> This is exactly what is needed now to avert further calamity in Japan. 
> We need everyoneâ€"hundreds of peopleâ€"to contribute whatever they can. This 
> will be vastly more powerful and effective than what the general public can 
> achieve by contributing to rescue efforts and similar, classical approaches. 
> Only we have the knowledge of how to engage the managing intelligence of 
> Nature so directly and so powerfully. And with that knowledge comes the 
> responsibility to act. 
> The Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation, with the Shankaracharya as its Patron 
> and Maharaj Adhiraj Rajaraam as its President, was established by Maharishi 
> to support the Vedic Pandits in India and to perpetuate the Vedic Tradition, 
> including the Vedic technologies of Jyotish and Yagya. For the special 
> purposes of this global effort to bring immediate and lasting relief to the 
> people of Japan, this 501c3 charitable fund will be used. 
> PLEASE, EVERYONE: LET’S GIVE GENEROUSLY! 
> With a contribution of $1,250 or more, your name will be acknowledged in the 
> Maharishi Yagya Performance, and we will provide you with special guidelines 
> to follow during the days of the performance. 
> Please send your donations today. Include your name and address, and you will 
> receive a letter acknowledging your tax-deductible gift. 
> Donations by Check: 
> Payable to: “Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation” or “BSF”
> Denote: “Yagyas for Japan” 
> Mail to:
> Brahmananda Saraswati Foundation
> PO Box 2316
> Fairfield, IA  52556 
> Online credit card donations: 
> Go to https://vedicpandits.org/participate-donation.php 
> At the top of the page, choose “Let my donation be used where it is most 
> needed.” 
> At the bottom of the page, click the bar that says “Give your gift in honor 
> or memory of someone.” In the section that opens up, choose “in honor 
> of” and in the first name box, type “Yagyas for Japan.” 
> (For bank wiring instructions, please contact Communication@...) 
>   
> With deep gratitude on behalf of all the citizens of Japan, 
> Jai Guru Dev 
> Raja John Hagelin, Raja of America
> Dr. Bevan Morris, Prime Minister
> Raja John Konhaus, Raja of Japan
> Raja Harris Kaplan, Raja of India
>                      J a i    Gu r u    D e 
> v                 
>

[FairfieldLife] 24/7 News: The More You Watch, The Worse You Feel

[Joe]

Marty KaplanDirector, Norman Lear Center and Professor at the USC Annenberg 
School
Posted: March 21, 2011 12:58 PM

The More You Watch, the Worse You Feel

As if the triple whammy of the Japanese earthquake, tsunami and nuclear 
disaster weren't enough to enthrall and terrify us, the war in Libya is now 
providing cable news viewers a fresh hell to follow 24/7.

But wait, as they say in the infomercials -- there's more. In Bahrain, Saudi 
tanks and troops are violently cracking down on pro-democracy activists; in 
Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is moving toward power; in Yemen, security 
forces, firing from the rooftops, have killed scores of demonstrators; in 
Syria, troops are shooting into crowds of protesting civilians; and last week's 
news from Israel and the Palestinian territories was enough to make anyone rage 
and wail.

Feeling overwhelmed yet? In Madison, Wisc. and other state capitals, 
Republicans are demonizing public employees, stripping workers of their rights 
and using deficits as an excuse to transfer wealth from the middle to the top. 
In Washington, D.C., every Republican on the environment subcommittee says that 
climate change is a hoax, and every Republican on the financial institutions 
subcommittee says banks are the victims, not the perpetrators, of the 
recession. Who has enough spare neurons to cope with that, let alone the 
defunding of NPR and Planned Parenthood? Do you have some mindshare left for a 
campaign finance system that's corrupting both political parties? For the 
obesity epidemic? For the worst youth unemployment in history?

These are the times that try men's souls. It's tough to know which is worse for 
us: keeping up with calamity, or tuning out the news. We are brought up to 
believe that good citizenship requires being informed, diligently following 
what's going on in the world. We are offered so many attention decoys -- 
Charlie Sheen! William and Kate! Sarah Palin! -- that we can use up all our 
bandwidth and still know next to nothing. With considerable will power, we 
might be able to avoid a lot of empty info-calories, but even a broccoli-heavy 
media diet can leave us feeling expert but impotent, knowledgeable but 
exhausted, good critical thinkers but frazzled basket cases.

Oh, did I forget to mention terrorism?

The temptation is to unplug, go on a media fast, declare a digital Sabbath, 
pull the covers over your head. Yet succumbing to this perfectly reasonable 
survival strategy is exactly what the bad guys want. Ignorance isn't bliss; 
it's slavery. The less you know, the easier it is to manipulate you, to fool 
you into undermining your own interests, to jerk your emotional chains.

Until about 20 minutes ago, the threat that ignorance poses to democracy could 
be sourced to hedonism, propaganda and the desire to make a buck. There's 
nothing like bread and circuses to stop discontent from boiling over; there's 
nothing like disinformation and paranoia to give science and journalism a bad 
name; there's nothing like an oligarch to make amnesia profitable.

What seems different today is that the virtuous desire to be well-informed is 
also the source of its own discontent. The more you know, the less you want to 
know. Maybe the unexamined life is not worth living, but is the examined life 
-- the examined world -- worth all of that Maalox and Ambien? Civic literacy 
seems to have become a kind of auto-immune disease; you want to attack the 
world's problems, but what you end up attacking is yourself.

Social media, of course, makes all of this more so. I'm always surprised by how 
often people ask me if I'm on Facebook and Twitter, and when I say yes, they 
say, "Well, I suppose you have to, because of what you do." They say it as 
though I'm running a risk, like an exterminator inhaling pesticide -- in this 
case, the fumes of triviality: "Why would you want to know every time someone 
you know goes to the bathroom?"

I find it hard to convince people who don't use social media that what most 
characterizes it isn't its banality, it's its density. Sure, there's plenty of 
Justin Bieber clogging its arteries. But what I mainly get from Facebook and 
Twitter are links -- a torrent of news and opinion only one click away, an 
exponential increase in the amount of information that I check out, skim, save, 
consume, forward. And a good deal of that information (the stuff I actually 
read) is useful and thoughtful. It's a global network of content that I've 
often missed, material that's curated and syndicated both by people I know and 
by people I don't know. It puts my news intake on steroids.

That's good news (I know even more), and bad news (I feel even worse). But as 
long as I'm addicted to following all the damn narratives going on in the 
world, I prefer that the headaches that the news gives me be as cosmopolitan as 
possible.

There's no comparison between the suffering the people of Japan are enduring, 
and the anguish of watching and r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Large Maharishi Yagyas being organized to provide urgent relief for Japan + message from Raja Hagelin, Konhaus, Kaplan and Prime Minister Dr Morris

[Joe]

So it takes money to run an organization. What does that have to do with this 
attempt to collect funds for a "Maharishi Yagya" to help Japan?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
>  Snip)
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification - I really don't know much about TMO, so I
> > > should keep my mouth shut. The only thing I know is with the
> > > disappearance of a master most of the organizations just become dead
> > > institutions like the religions, dead rituals, dead practices. It is the
> > > master that brings life to all the practices. So its most likely that
> > > TMo is just a money grabbing machine with dead rituals and dead
> > > practices.
> > 
> > Well, I think TM is the kind of practice that does not rely so much on a 
> > Master, but then maybe it does and I am not aware of that level of 
> > activity.  TM was supposed to be enough in and of itself and physically 
> > seeing MMY was terrific but not necessary. MMY was careful to have all his 
> > lectures videotaped beginning way back in the early 70's to keep alive his 
> > words and to prevent the decay of the knowledge over time. And the 
> > meditation itself is supposed to work regardless of whether the master is 
> > alive or not, or even whether you "believe in it" or doubt its efficacy.  
> > But, what happens with the TMO in the future I do not know.   They have a 
> > bad rep re money and that is hard to undo.  Like most groups and maybe 
> > everything in life (feeling philosophical tonight), there was lots of joy 
> > and good stuff along side some nastiness, too. 
> > >  
> (snip)
> Well, it's hard to fill the shoes of this Master...
> This Master, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Beatles Guru, Mystic, Spiritual Leader, 
> Enlightened Being...
> Whose going to fill those shoes?
> 
> And money, well money is money, and it takes money to keep the whole thing 
> going, doesn't it?
> So, they do charge money, don't they?
> 
> Then again, money comes and money goes, but I go on and on...
> 
> Who on Earth, do you think you are, a 'Super Star'...
> Well right you are!!!
> 
> R.
>