Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7 years of hearing that the "next big course" was the one, the big one, the one that will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I could, but man, am I ever glad I took my foot off the imaginary spiritual accelerator pedal and refocused my life on the things that really bring pleasure to me, like capturing music.
That's not to say I dislike TM. I do it every morning for one reason only. It feels good and I like it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for > > > > > > > > them? That embodiment stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that > > > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied? > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term > > > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but > > > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening > > > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY > > > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation > > > > > > believe in. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or > > > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought > > > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' > > > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the > > > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on > > > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was > > > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no > > > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming > > > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you > > > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a > > > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was > > > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought > > > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little > > > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out > > > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind > > > > > > in the years since. > > > > > > > > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not > > > > > "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a > > > > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply > > > > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as > > > > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS. > > > > > > Your opinion of my opinion is BS. > > > > > > > Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you > > need to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for > > stating the obvious. > > > > I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of > having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is > always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years of > doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping > elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here now > and directly addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded > around the farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was > all about how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so > that we can have better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are > focused on cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, > states of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, > but it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food, > drugs, money, etc. >
