[FairfieldLife] Discussing Experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Ok here's one. Around 1983 or so I had an experience that may have been hovering. I can't be absolutely certain, but it met my own self tests at the time. Practicing the flying sutra, during a period of lots of other clear subtle relative experience, aura's, OBE, kundalini, long distance hearing, seeing some of it verified. During the levitation the inner experience was so blissful the floating part was incidental. I did put both hands under me to check and the body was 4 - 6 inches off the bed, for more than a few seconds, full or half lotus, I can't remember. Then the inner experience absorbed my outer awareness and sometime later I came out. Nice, I know it's possible. Van I prove it? - No, don't have any pictures, and it hasn't happened again, yet. Cool. Thanks for posting your experience. It takes some guts to do so on this forum. I've always been reluctant to post experiences here, Possible because several fear spinners paint such a distorted picture of FF. Particularly recent shows -- here less than a year. FFL has a pretty extensive history, if you go back in the archives, of discussion of experiences over its close to five year history. Where things got a bit strange -- 2-3 years ago -- long before recent shows -- is when questions were repeated asked about experiences, and sometimes about apparent contradictions. And diversions and generalities were the primary response. With the seeming lack of willingness or inability for some posters to address contradictions, questioning by some, including myself, questioning slowly transormed from uber polite and respectful, to became more focussed, even blunt, to the point of exasperation. After a while, some posters were just not taken too seriously. Over time, after some history of posts, some discussions surely fell below auspicious levels. That in itself is a learning process, IMO, IME. Other experience posters who are actually open to discussing their posts --not a take it or leave it post, have been questioned and their experinces discussed quite respectfully. Your experience seems interesting and straightforward. I don't anticipate any negative or skeptical responses. We all have had experiences that are hard to reconcile. An aside, personally I don't consider experiences related to siddhis to be particularly spiritual. To me spiritual is Consciousness experiencing Itself. Other stuff is superficial. Some hold that even observing a sidhi, or possibly hallucinating it, is a high spiritual experience. I don't concur and find such claims rather odd if not silly. Still they can raise some interesting questions about cognitive processes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those two, together with anon_couscous and a few others who don't even have the balls ... One less thing to be attached to I suppose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Real Democracy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: The chances of getting an intelligent incentives policy for energy from the gov't is only slightly better than the chances of getting a group of pundits in FF after all the money is collected. The energy market will eventually do it, almost certainly. There are plenty of smart polcy analysts who know and promote such policies. Its the undemocratic nature of the US governemnt (90% of congressional races not competitive, 70% of states in presidential elections not campaigned in significantly) and the high corruption from current campaign financing that is the problem. ...if people keep voting those same 90% into office with all the alleged corruption, wouldn't you say that the people get the government that they deserve? I think its quite a bent system. Your statement appears to be premised on real choice. My point is that there is no real choice in a large majority of races. From past discussions, I thought you favored the types of reforms I am advocating (perhaps not): Multiple parties IRV -- Instant run-off voting Abolish electoral college End jerrymandering of house districts Extensive campaign finance reform. Four year house terms (to reduce campagin fund raising cycle) etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The FEAR Factor and Other Lame Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Monday morning topic for you: what is the relationship of FEAR to lack of personal spiritual experience? So are you saying you are extremely fearful? Because the only experience I can remember you referencing, is seeing, possibly hallucinating, some guy levitating. Why that is a spiritual experience to you remains a mystery. Though I agree its an interesting topic of about cognition and social constructs of reality. Spirituality experince is Consciousness experiencing Itself. All else is superficial. I have never heard you engage in any discussion of such. Nor many if any qualities that appear to manifest -- or be available from that. What I've noticed, on this forum and many others, is that the people who seem most emotionally involved in putting down reports of other people's supposed spiritual experiences DON'T seem to have any such experiences themselves. As baseless a claim as most of your stories. And one of the things I've noticed about such compulsive throwers-of-turds-at- spiritual-experience And who are these people? And have you read the full 3 + year set of conversations about experiences on FFL? Or did you just come in on the tail-end so to speak, and catch things when they had gone downhill -- I think a condition acknowledge by all. is that they all seem to be terribly AFRAID. Seem being the operative word. More completely Seems to you. Which given your other rather odd speculations, doesn't comprise a particularly compelling argument -- in itself. So what on earth could they be so afraid of, eh? It's probably not the experiences themselves. They've been paying big bucks to the TM organization for years in the hope that it could give them those experiences. Who has been doing this for 30 years? Oh, I get it, this is just one of your stories -- not based on any facts or reality --but more wishful thinking on your part so you have some cool stories and antecdotes to tell. Ok. Carry on with your myth / story / hallucination / dream. But they tend to want SAFE experiences, experiences that put them through no changes whatsoever, because they've been sanctioned as SAFE by the TM movement or some scientist somewhere. haha. Conciousness experieneing Itself is very scary. They want to witness levitation, and at the same time be given a signed affadaivit from someone trustworthy so that they, personally, don't EVER have to deal with having had an experience that they can't prove with a signed affadaivit. Any claims of non-hallucination of Lenz levitating are becoming weaker every line you write. If you can't even begin to accurately summarize something you have just read, its pretty clear your cognitive and interpretative mechanisms are a bit screwed up as a German friend of mind used to say (kind of twisting his hand -- like installing a light bulb). I'm just rappin' here, and don't really know Good acknowledgement. if there is a one-to-one relationship between being afraid of having an experience you can't prove and NEVER having any such experiences, Your apparent lack of Spiritual experience --Consciousness Experiencing Consciousness - puts you in a pretty singular and unique position (relative to the list) to address this hypothesis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The FEAR Factor
A particularly phenomenal aspect of this post is that its abut the 100 time the poster has posted the same point. Is he just angry that no one buys his fast-shuffle boogy-woogy? So he keeps trying over and over again. Its kind of like a guy watching the same movie over and over, hopping THIS time it ends differently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Monday morning topic for you: what is the relationship of FEAR to lack of personal spiritual experience? What I've noticed, on this forum and many others, is that the people who seem most emotionally involved in putting down reports of other people's supposed spiritual experiences DON'T seem to have any such experiences themselves. And one of the things I've noticed about such compulsive throwers-of-turds-at- spiritual-experience is that they all seem to be terribly AFRAID. The fear just reeks off of them. They're very different in their approaches and their particular method of turd-throwing, but the one common denominator in all of them is the FEAR. So what on earth could they be so afraid of, eh? It's probably not the experiences themselves. They've been paying big bucks to the TM organization for years in the hope that it could give them those experiences. But they tend to want SAFE experiences, experiences that put them through no changes whatsoever, because they've been sanctioned as SAFE by the TM movement or some scientist somewhere. They want to witness levitation, and at the same time be given a signed affadaivit from someone trustworthy so that they, personally, don't EVER have to deal with having had an experience that they can't prove with a signed affadaivit. I'm just rappin' here, and don't really know if there is a one-to-one relationship between being afraid of having an experience you can't prove and NEVER having any such experiences, but I suspect it exists. I suspect that the more afraid you are of dealing with your own subjective experiences of higher states of consciousness, the less likely it is that you'll ever HAVE any such experiences. Just a theory. You guys have fun with it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Democracy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: The chances of getting an intelligent incentives policy for energy from the gov't is only slightly better than the chances of getting a group of pundits in FF after all the money is collected. The energy market will eventually do it, almost certainly. There are plenty of smart polcy analysts who know and promote such policies. Its the undemocratic nature of the US governemnt (90% of congressional races not competitive, 70% of states in presidential elections not campaigned in significantly) and the high corruption from current campaign financing that is the problem. ...if people keep voting those same 90% into office with all the alleged corruption, wouldn't you say that the people get the government that they deserve? I think its quite a bent system. Your statement appears to be premised on real choice. My point is that there is no real choice in a large majority of races. From past discussions, I thought you favored the types of reforms I am advocating (perhaps not): Multiple parties ...if that's what people want, fine. But we have multiple parties now...perhaps a dozen or so. The only problem is, 98% of the people vote for either the Democrats or the Republicans. Multiple parties won't work without Irv. Although I can't vote in the USA (although I live here) I always vote in Canadian elections by absentee ballot and will always vote Libertarian if that party fields a candidate. But the people are free to be the sheep that they are and here in the US the people, like, for the most part, the people in Canada, are sheep and don't vote for third parties. Because they know they waste their vote if they vote third party without IRV. IRV -- Instant run-off voting Why we don't have that system now in this age of computers I don't know. Now one only needs a plurality to get elected...with instant run-off, only one who garners a majority of those voting gets elected... Abolish electoral college No, I'm not for that. That will skewer voting for president to the more populace states and virtually ignore the small ones. HAHAHA. As opposed to the current system where many large states are ignored. End jerrymandering of house districts Extensive campaign finance reform. Totally disagree. I think there should be ZERO limits on what either individuals or corporations spend on campaigns. Did I say limts? your thinking is quite limited if thats all you think of as campaign financing reform. But that unlimited money is free speech is a bogus argument. But I don't care to debate it at this hour. Four year house terms (to reduce campagin fund raising cycle) Totally disagree. If people don't want the representatives that are there for more than four terms, they can vote them out of office. hahahha you don't even read what I wrote. I didnt say term limits. blah blah blah :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] You Are All Such High Spiritual Beings
The recent posts show beyond question that the level of love and compassion -- flowing abundantly and without reservation -- from all, indicate the high level of spiritual experiences that all of you have, the great spiritual progress you all have made, and how proud and glorious you should all feel about yourselves and your grand achievements. ALL Glory to you, all you precious highly evolved, and highly spiritual individuals. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: archeological evidence of civilisations
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140004006X/sr=8-1/qid=1145810990/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 25000-35000 B.C. Time of paleo-Indian migration to Americas from Siberia, according to genetic evidence. Groups likely traveled across the Pacific in boats. Wheat and barley grown from wild ancestors in Sumer. 6000 BC 5000 BC In what many scientists regard as humankind's first and greatest feat of genetic engineering, Indians in southern Mexico systematically breed maize (corn) from dissimilar ancestor species. 3000 BC The Americas' first urban complex, in coastal Peru, of at least 30 closely packed cities, each centered around large pyramid-like structures Great Pyramid at Giza 2650 BC 32 BC First clear evidence of Olmec use of zero--an invention, widely described as the most important mathematical discovery ever made, which did not occur in Eurasia until about 600 A.D., in India (zero was not introduced to Europe until the 1200s and not widely used until the 1700s) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few days. I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the movement. I remember him flying off in late 1972 to the coronation of the King of Nepal (last hindu raja at the time) whom he initiated -- (and a lot of the court I believe). Do you know how this 74 mass initiations tied in to his 72 visit? Did the king invite him in 74 to do it? Did the king publicly endorse tm at the time? At about the same time, maybe fall of 74, the leading paper in Manila was running five straight-days of large front page articles on TM. Asia was quite lively in this period. And in late 74, M. inagurated the air-conditioner project for China -- to set up large scale initiations and TTCs in Phillipines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. to cool off China -- to prevent a new revolution in China. (Which clearly worked as predicted. :) ) MMY said that for the younger generations China to go through a third major revolution is so few years would make them irreparably harsh and rigid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: Not as Barry told it, at least initially. He admitted some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective proof was irrelevant and actually mocked those who suggested it was important. So it's hard to see how this differs from Jim's experience in that regard. The *difference*, again, is that Barry uses his experiences--of levitation and generally--to put other people down and exalt himself. You just can't let Barry go, can you? Stop trying to prod him into confrontation. How could I? He has vowed (again) to ignore me. Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't have the self-control to resist? I will continue to comment about Barry if and when I see fit, Vaj. Please don't give me orders. In any case, I was responding to a poster who was criticizing Barry's critics but getting the *basis* for their criticism wrong. I pointed out that the critics don't criticize Barry for recounting his experiences, as the poster seemed to think, but rather for using the experiences as a weapon against others and a means to exalt himself. I personally don't care of Barry exalts himself or whatever. I *do* prefer that everyone makes their definition for some term clear if it's well outside the common useage used by the rest of the group. haha. Why start now. This group has a long and fabulous tradition of exhilarating posts by highly evolved stellar souls who use terms in ways other than most define them -- even going so far as to say the terms are undefinable. Whether this practice is due to laziness, unawareness or mischieviousness is left for us to ponder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. Well it was a 18+ month gap between initiating the king in 72, and the mass initiations program in summer of 74. AFAIR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. JohnY Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and more refined functioning of the nervous system has always a theme with MMY, even back in the 60s. Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have heard him say it.) Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages. But, hey, stories are good too, entertaining, inspiring and all. And the dark ages had their moments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Objective Validation and Hallucinations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had such experiences. Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him superior to anybody else. Don't you think Judy, that when people say they communicate with someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as a sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies, with no way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more of, it happened, or it didn't kind of thing. Something which theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's experience, but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much controversy. That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz. He doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used in this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective manifestation of Unity. As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. The key phrase in this context in what Lawson is saying is objective manifestation, i.e., something that anyone who was present could see, something that would show up on film, something that would pass whatever objective test you cared to devise. That's how TM defines the term levitation. But it's not how Barry defines it. For Barry, levitation is an experience somebody can make you (but not necessarily anybody else) have that leads you to believe they have levitated; no objective proof necessary. Which is more likely to occur, just in the general scheme of things? Which is more of an achievement on the part of the putative levitator? Using Ocham's Razor, the simplest credible explanation of someone reporting they saw their teacher flying through the skies is that the student is hallucinating, or open to some powerful suggestive manipulations. Hallucinations are not distinguishable by the student from third-party correlated reality. As others have pointed out, the hallucinator can often not tell if they are hallucinating. Just ask John Nash (A Beautiful Mind). Ocham's Razor does not prove that the teacher didn't objectively fly. Simply its an explanation that is far more plausible and simpler than upending newtonian physics at everyday levels of space, time and speed. If Barry were trying to convince anyone that Lenz physically levitated in a physically verrifiable way, which by his words he is not, then the first step would be to disprove or lower the liklihood of the hallucination hypothesis. Particularly given that the press was invited to view Lenz levitate and did not come back with eith pictures or credible eye-witness tesimony, AFAIK. The fact that Barry eshews measurement and objective verification by third parties, and repeatable experiments -- and far favors stories as a vastly superior form of truth, I think tells us a lot about Barry's inner world -- and the steep challenge for him to provide some credible backing to the non-hallucination hypothesis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and more refined functioning of the nervous system has always a theme with MMY, even back in the 60s. Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have heard him say it.) As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some performance of siddhi. Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sensible to say that's part of CC a la Patanjali, not Brahmi-chetana (Unity). As I recall it, he was referring to siddhis and clear ritam as the acid test for CC (around 76-77). Others in later years (80s) appear to have heard him say these are an acid test for unity. Not necessarily contradictory statements. Or the latter could be a misinterpretation. I always thought that manfiesting some simple siddhis at will, such as kindness, compassion, non-defensiveness, non-ownership, imperviousness to insults, non-reactivity, etc. were signs of some growth -- albeit perhaps minor -- of consciousness being aware of itself for some sustained periods. (Not that these are 24/7 characteristics of cc, but as something parallel to minor siddhis, can be manifest at will.) I would look to those simple manifestations prior to the manifestation of clear ritam and formal siddhis. And I would look for the latter prior to self-claims of enlightenement. But I am clearly old skewl. Not very neo. Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Interesting question! I am sure funding could be raised if that is the issue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it. JohnY Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? No because I don't take everything he says as true. It may be true, but I don't know that it is, is what I said. JohnY Opps, sorry. I misread or misunderstood your point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi- party verification or repeatability. Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and more refined functioning of the nervous system has always a theme with MMY, even back in the 60s. Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have heard him say it.) As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some performance of siddhi. Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sensible to say that's part of CC a la Patanjali, not Brahmi-chetana (Unity). Performance of the siddhis during sutra practice may not be brahmi- chetna, but what of someone who can just spontaneously manifest any/all of them? Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability. Interesting question! Fred Travis probably wouldn't be willing to attend due to the political issues in Fairfield, but there ARE researchers into these kinds of things, including some with better resources than Fred and friends, who would be willing to test the Satsang/Deeksha claims if invited. Well then. I guess we are just waiting for invitations from satsang, diksha and other groups. Now that they know, I am sure we will see a floodgate of invites. Who specifically should they talk to? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The point I was making, though, that he has a need to believe he's being criticized because his critics are jealous of his experiences, which is just wildly delusionary, not to mention self-serving. You have a need to be right, which is also self-serving, no matter how obnoxious you are in doing so. Do you have a need to be right in saying I have a need to be right? Can I be right here, also? Only if you are right here, right now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry with the oil companies?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 5:07:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, noozguru@ writes: I would like to see a windfall profits tax on the oil companies. I don't mind the price of gas going up if it is from taxes to improve roadways, bridges and make mass transit more ubiquitous. And those taxes should not be golden goose for gouging contractors either and they should ONLY be used for transportation projects. The scariest thing is to see some mindless woman aiming her Ford Expedition or Lincoln Navigator while blathering on her cellphone. I think we should make thought vehicles require truck licensing and take away the tax break on them. Don't you think we have enough tax on gasoline? The government makes more off a gallon of gas than the oil companies do and they have no investment. The last I heard the government makes about 50 cents a gallon and the petroleum companies 7 to 8 cents. Actually I would rather hear the oil companies side of the story as to why prices are up instead of the usual accusations that they are gouging without any proof. Surely the truth lies somewhere in the middle. About a month ago I heard that total tax on a gallon was $0.67. Ouch Lots of money JohnY Its quite low, huh. If congress and the admin had been far sighted and had some courage 10-20 years ago -- best yet 30 years ago during the first oil crises, and added an annual cumulative 10-20 cent tax on gas (all BTUs actually) and plowed the full tax revenues back into aggressive incentives for more far more efficient cars, different types of engines (natural gas, electric, hybrid) as well as doing far more to jump start solar and wind, etc, demand for gas would have gone way down, total prices would have fallen (at least relative to their actual trend), total gas bills would have decreased (50% use x reduced oil price + tax), arab sponsored terrorism would have been funded far less, the air would be cleaner, greenhouse gas buildup would be far less, GNP would be growing faster, and the reveneus we see now going to oil companies oil lease holders would be far less, defense spending would have been far less (to keep oil lanes open, oil sponsored terrorists at bay, and the US rep around the world would have been far more friendly -- for not beefing up oil patrons, invading oil countries,etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry with the oil companies?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: About a month ago I heard that total tax on a gallon was $0.67. Ouch Lots of money JohnY Its quite low, huh. If congress and the admin had been far sighted and had some courage 10-20 years ago -- best yet 30 years ago during the first oil crises, and added an annual cumulative 10-20 cent tax on gas (all BTUs actually) and plowed the full tax revenues back into aggressive incentives for more far more efficient cars, different types of engines (natural gas, electric, hybrid) as well as doing far more to jump start solar and wind, etc, demand for gas would have gone way down, total prices would have fallen (at least relative to their actual trend), total gas bills would have decreased (50% use x reduced oil price + tax), arab sponsored terrorism would have been funded far less, the air would be cleaner, greenhouse gas buildup would be far less, GNP would be growing faster, and the reveneus we see now going to oil companies oil lease holders would be far less, defense spending would have been far less (to keep oil lanes open, oil sponsored terrorists at bay, and the US rep around the world would have been far more friendly -- for not beefing up oil patrons, invading oil countries,etc. Gov't is not that farsighted, it tends toward selfish-interest ... capitalism might do it, if the price keeps climbing. JohnY ps. pundits won't do it either... Markets will do it eventually. As gas gets to $4-5+. But we will have missed out on 30 years of dramatic benefits -- and 30 years, plus another so many, where the negative aspects of non-policy manifest. Some will argue that the market is always superior to an incentives policy. Sometimes it is. If the market is able to collect for all a products costs and benefits, then themarket should do so. When the market does not naurally do so, an intelligent incentives policy is superior. Pollution is a classic example where the market by itself is highly inefficint in collecting full product costs. With oil, it literally dumps these extra product costs on society. Plus the oil gets a free ride from the military without paying the protection and defense costs necessary for the US level of oil consumption. So its a matter of structuring intelligent and efficient ways for the market to pay for the uncollected costs oil imposes. And the double jackpot is that with these now collected revenues -- incentives can be structured to jumpstart the transformation of the market to -- in this case -- far lower oil and energy use, and resulting pollution, per unit of GNP. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry with the oil companies?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 5:07:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, noozguru@ writes: I would like to see a windfall profits tax on the oil companies. I don't mind the price of gas going up if it is from taxes to improve roadways, bridges and make mass transit more ubiquitous. And those taxes should not be golden goose for gouging contractors either and they should ONLY be used for transportation projects. The scariest thing is to see some mindless woman aiming her Ford Expedition or Lincoln Navigator while blathering on her cellphone. I think we should make thought vehicles require truck licensing and take away the tax break on them. Don't you think we have enough tax on gasoline? The government makes more off a gallon of gas than the oil companies do and they have no investment. The last I heard the government makes about 50 cents a gallon and the petroleum companies 7 to 8 cents. Actually I would rather hear the oil companies side of the story as to why prices are up instead of the usual accusations that they are gouging without any proof. Surely the truth lies somewhere in the middle. About a month ago I heard that total tax on a gallon was $0.67. Ouch Lots of money JohnY Its quite low, huh. If congress and the admin had been far sighted and had some courage 10-20 years ago -- best yet 30 years ago during the first oil crises, and added an annual cumulative 10-20 cent tax on gas (all BTUs actually) and plowed the full tax revenues back into aggressive incentives for more far more efficient cars, different types of engines (natural gas, electric, hybrid) as well as doing far more to jump start solar and wind, etc, demand for gas would have gone way down, total prices would have fallen (at least relative to their actual trend), total gas bills would have decreased (50% use x reduced oil price + tax), arab sponsored terrorism would have been funded far less, the air would be cleaner, greenhouse gas buildup would be far less, GNP would be growing faster, and the reveneus we see now going to oil companies oil lease holders would be far less, defense spending would have been far less (to keep oil lanes open, oil sponsored terrorists at bay, and the US rep around the world would have been far more friendly -- for not beefing up oil patrons, invading oil countries,etc. Gov't is not that farsighted, it tends toward selfish-interest ... capitalism might do it, if the price keeps climbing. JohnY ps. pundits won't do it either... Speaking of record profits by the oil companies, I researched this recently and found out that it now costs the oil companies about $1.50 to make, market and sell a gallon of gas. Add the US tax to that and total equals ~$2.25, total. the rest is pure ,er, gravy... well at $3.00 per gallon -- a recent high, it was $2.50 until very recently, thats 10-30% operating margins. From this, interest payments from debt and amortization of intangibles from acquisitions are paid. As are dividends. And taxes (35% of profits). The remander is retained (aka retained earnings) to reinvest in more efficient, (including less polluting) technologies, exploration for new fields -- usually risky, and exploration of new unique (and expesnive) methods like oil shale. High profits are a good thing. It means more cash that can be reinvested in new techology, creating new efficiencies,and raising productivity -- which are highly correlated with salary and wage increases. Not excessive across all industries, particularly on a risk adjusted basis. (And if not adjusting for risk -- any analysis is deeply flawed.) Why don't you complain about the gravy in other industries? Exxon's recent operating margins were 16%, with net margins of less than 11%. Apple's recent operating margins were 12%, with net margins of 10%. And traditionally the oil industry is more risky than highly-branded consumer electronics. So it deserves a higher return. Per the above reasons, I doubt the comprehensiveness of your research. Current oil industry margins are not that high. Regardless, if you feel gouged, buy Valero, Oxy and Exxon. Donate your excessive profits to environmental groups if you like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angry with the oil companies?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: The chances of getting an intelligent incentives policy for energy from the gov't is only slightly better than the chances of getting a group of pundits in FF after all the money is collected. The energy market will eventually do it, almost certainly. There are plenty of smart polcy analysts who know and promote such policies. Its the undemocratic nature of the US governemnt (90% of congressional races not competitive, 70% of states in presidential elections not campaigned in significantly) and the high corruption from current campaign financing that is the problem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Dorfus Gizzarddoodle and Cheesey Snicklehump Wars
>From now on, I suggest it be required that all flamers should have to address their prey, and sign their posts, per the following method. Lets ask Rick, aka Goober Gizzardface if we can incorporate that into the FFL guidelines. (FFL = Dorky FarkleBreath) Might be good for satsangs too, when discussing experiences. I have a question about Sleezy Gizzardbutt's experience. --- Goober Frickenbutt The following is excerpted from a children 's book, Captain Underpants and the Perilous Plot Professor Poopypants, by Dave Pilkey, in which the evil Professor forces everyone to assume new names... 1. Use the third letter of your first name to determine your new first name: a = snickle b = doombah c = goober d = cheesey e = crusty f = greasy g = dumbo h = farcus i = dorky j = doofus k = funky l = boobie m = sleezy n = sloopy o = fluffy p = stinky q = slimy r = dorfus s = snooty t = tootsie u = dipsy v = sneezy w = liver x = skippy y = dinky z = zippy 2. Use the second letter of your last name to determine the first half of your new last name: a = dippin b = feather c = batty d = burger e = chicken f = barffy g = lizard h = waffle i = farkle j = monkey k = flippin l = fricken m = bubble n = rhino o = potty p = hamster q = buckle r = gizzard s = lickin t = snickle u = chuckle v = pickle w = hubble x = dingle y = gorilla z = girdle 3. Use the third letter of your last name to determine the second half of your new last name: a = butt b = boob c = face d = nose e = hump f = breath g = pants h = shorts i = lips j = honker k = head l = tush m = chunks n = dunkin o = brains p = biscuits q = toes r = doodle s = fanny t = sniffer u = sprinkles v = frack w = squirt x = humperdinck y = hiney z = juice Thus, for example, George W. Bush's new name is: Fluffy Chucklefanny. And remember that children laugh an average of 146 times a day; adults laugh an average +of 4 times a day. Put more laughter in your day! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Dorfus Gizzardlips and Cheesey Snicklehump Wars
>From now on, I suggest it be required that all flamers should have to address their prey, and sign their posts, per the following method. Lets ask Rick, aka Goober Gizzardface if we can incorporate that into the FFL guidelines. (FFL = Dorky FarkleBreath) Might be good for satsangs too, when discussing experiences. I have a question about Sleezy Gizzardbutt's experience. --- Goober Frickenbutt The following is excerpted from a children 's book, Captain Underpants and the Perilous Plot Professor Poopypants, by Dave Pilkey, in which the evil Professor forces everyone to assume new names... 1. Use the third letter of your first name to determine your new first name: a = snickle b = doombah c = goober d = cheesey e = crusty f = greasy g = dumbo h = farcus i = dorky j = doofus k = funky l = boobie m = sleezy n = sloopy o = fluffy p = stinky q = slimy r = dorfus s = snooty t = tootsie u = dipsy v = sneezy w = liver x = skippy y = dinky z = zippy 2. Use the second letter of your last name to determine the first half of your new last name: a = dippin b = feather c = batty d = burger e = chicken f = barffy g = lizard h = waffle i = farkle j = monkey k = flippin l = fricken m = bubble n = rhino o = potty p = hamster q = buckle r = gizzard s = lickin t = snickle u = chuckle v = pickle w = hubble x = dingle y = gorilla z = girdle 3. Use the third letter of your last name to determine the second half of your new last name: a = butt b = boob c = face d = nose e = hump f = breath g = pants h = shorts i = lips j = honker k = head l = tush m = chunks n = dunkin o = brains p = biscuits q = toes r = doodle s = fanny t = sniffer u = sprinkles v = frack w = squirt x = humperdinck y = hiney z = juice Thus, for example, George W. Bush's new name is: Fluffy Chucklefanny. And remember that children laugh an average of 146 times a day; adults laugh an average +of 4 times a day. Put more laughter in your day! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Captain Underpants and the Big, Bad Battle of the Bionic Booger Boy, Part 2: The
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0439376122/ref=pd_sim_b_3/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glancen=283155 Amazon.com Clearly one epic novel could never contain the hugely disgusting tale of the Bionic Booger Boy; it makes perfect sense that his story would spill out into Dav Pilkey's seventh epic novel in the Captain Underpants series, Captain Underpants and the Big, Bad Battle of the Bionic Booger Boy Part 2: The Revenge of the Ridiculous Robo-Boogers. It all started in the sixth epic novel when Melvin Sneedly, a nerd, invented a combine-o-thingy that morphed Melvin, a robot, and (accidentally) mucus from his sneeze and created the monstrous Bionic Booger Boy. Unfortunately, in the chaos that ensues, the school principal Mr. Krupp's brain switches to Melvin's body and vice versa (making for a very unhappy school secretary). The diabolical Melvin becomes power-hungry when he realizes that he might be able to keep Mr. Krupp's Captain Underpants superpowers for himself! Can George and Harold stop Melvin from tyrannizing the school--and the world--in his new guise as principal and superhero? Pilkey's heavily illustrated books with comic-book inserts, flip-o-rama animation, and loads of gross-out humor are guaranteed to delight elementary-school boys. (Ages 8 and older) --Karin Snelson >From School Library Journal Grade 3-6--This seventh title in the series is witty, fun, and full of adventure. George and Harold think everything is fine as the Robo-Boogers are jettisoned into space, but alas, a complication has occurred. Mr. Krupp, the principal, and Melvin have had their brains switched by the Combine-O-Tron, and they become known as Kruppy the Kid and Mr. Melvin. The Robo-Boogers miraculously return on a space shuttle as Miss Singerbrains, the school librarian, gets into the action by taking the Purple Potty from the basement of the library and Mr. Melvin turns it into a magical time machine (a whole other story). As Miss Singerbrains and the boys fly with their pet pterosaurs, the youngsters regain control of the Combine-O-Tron and the Forgetchamacallit 2000 and they ultimately restore Mr. Krupp and Melvin to their rightful selves. However, the switch does not restore Captain Underpants's powers. Then, just in the nick of time, George and Harold come through. The Purple Potty time machine, which is not supposed to be used two days in a row, awaits the boys, but they, of course, use it again, so the end of this story is just the beginning of the next adventure of Captain Underpants. With fast-paced action and humorous, kid-friendly artwork, this story is creative, imaginative, and truly boisterous.--JoAnn Jonas, Captain Underpants, September 17, 2005 Reviewer: Amy (Mt. Sterling, KY USA) - See all my reviews In Part 1 the Combine-O-Tron 2000 accidentally switched Mr. Krupp's (Captain Underpants) and Melvin's brains. Now, in Part 2, George and Harold travel back in time to get the Combine-O-Tron 2000. As they are trying to bring everything back to normal in the present time, something goes wrong...again. Captain Underpants's super powers are transferred to Melvin! The Robo-Boogers have just returned to Earth and Melvin refuses to save the world. What will George and Harold do? Can Captain Underpants come to the rescue once again? I must admit this is the first Captain Underpants book that I have read. I know that I really shouldn't have started with the 7th book, especially since it is Part 2. However, thanks to the comics at the front of the book I knew everything that was going on. I know that these books are a hit with younger students, so I had to see what all the fuss was about. I am not crazy about the idea of a superhero in underwear, but I can see how the humor in the text would appeal to young boys. I don't know that girls would find the book as interesting since the majority of the characters are males. The illustrations also add to the humor of the text. This wasn't one of my favorite books. The book seemed to lack depth and meaning for me; it just seemed...silly. However, I was most impressed with the flip-o-rama pages! They were really cool! Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 2 of 4 people found the following review helpful: captain underpants!, July 3, 2005 A Kid's Review This book was a great continue on. If you read part 1 get part 2. It has more fun flip-o-ramas and great new comics inside. Its the funniest book I ever read! Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 0 of 4 people found the following review helpful: Captian Underpants and the Big, Bad Battle of the Booger Boy, October 21, 2004 A Kid's Review The book I read was Captain Underpants and the Big Bad Battle of the Bionic Boogers By David Pilkey. Captain Underpants accidently switches bodies with a kid while fighting a big bad booger. Harold and George who are captains friends get a machine called combine-o-tron 2000 to blow up the big bad booger. But something goes wrong and teh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm replying just to thank you for a few French fries short of a Happy Meal. That cracked me right up. :-) It seems to have really resonated with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] British school to offer happiness lessons
British school to offer happiness lessons Apr 17 9:32 AM US/Eastern One of Britain's leading fee-paying schools is to offer classes on happiness to combat the malaise in society caused by materialism and celebrity obsession, its headteacher announced. We are introducing classes on happiness, said Anthony Seldon, master of Wellington College, in Crowthorne, Berkshire, west of London. We have been focusing too much on academics and missing something far more important. A psychologist will oversee a pilot project teaching happiness lessons -- or well-being as it is being called -- from the start of the next academic year. Pupils aged 14 to 16 will be given one lesson a week, learning skills such as how to manage relationships, physical and mental health, negative emotions and how to achieve one's ambitions. The college's religious education staff will teach the course as a complement to, rather than a substitute for, conventional RE classes, said Seldon, who is also a political commentator and author. To me, the most important job of any school is to turn out young men and women who are happy and secure -- more important that the latest bulletin from the Department for Education about whatever, explained Seldon. Celebrity, money and possessions are too often the touchstones for teenagers and yet these are not where happiness lies. Our children need to know that as societies become richer, they don't become happier -- a fact regularly shown by social science research. Wellington school was founded in 1853 and currently has 750 boys aged 13 to 18 and 50 girls aged 16 plus. Fees range from 6,132 pounds (8,850 euros, 10,800 dollars) per term for day pupils to 7,665 pounds per term for boarders. --- And a related development ... In response, Amsterdam giggled and said their students were already way happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/16/06 3:48 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm aware of that. I was merely pointing out that you are flogging a dead horse in most people's eyes. How can it be a dead horse if nobody is willing to admit that Barry lied in even that single crystal- clear case? OK, let's all join hands and say in unison, Barry lied. Now can we give it a rest? Probably not until we break out the OCD drugs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if they gave a war and nobody came? A general comment -- perhaps somewhat resonant with your thought. People have asked both Judy and Barry to either i) not react nor respond to each others posts, or ii) if that is not possble, then simply not to read the others posts -- even using a rule to disallow delivery. Why can't everyone take this advice. If Judy and Barry's bickering is too obnoxious, the solution is simple and non-obtrusive: i) simply don't react nor respond to either Barry or Judy, or ii) if that is not possble, then simply do not read the others posts -- even use a rule to disallow delivery. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40,000 suicide bombers, Gimbel, and you couldn't find anything to rhyme with it? It was a subject far too somber. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
Care to the ways they are doing that, beyond opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course they do, it's just a caste system by another name. And the lunatics running things now are trying their hardest to make it as permanent as possible. Sal On Apr 15, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Vaj wrote: In a materialistic and hedonistic society do we abandon certain caste-functions because of attachment to and worship of materialism and hedonism? Do the wealthiest classes in America constitute a faux-Brahman caste? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone else notice the relevance to the current issues of immigration in the US (and elsewhere)? What caste-roles do illegal Mexican immigrants primarily fulfill? In a materialistic and hedonistic society do we abandon certain caste- functions because of attachment to and worship of materialism and hedonism? Do the wealthiest classes in America constitute a faux- Brahman caste? It appears to me that an inherent presmption in a number of posts is that sudras are a low and undesirable class, and to be a Brahman is the best, and the desire and goal of all should be to rise above (to a higher) their current caste. I thnk that is a limited, warped and even upside down view. First, no need to use the social and occupational classes of ancient india. Not much call for charriot spoke makers, or arrow makers in current society. In the modern west we have various clusters of occupations-- and often a social culture that develops around it [some cliche yet indicative examples in brackets]. For example: Blue Collar -- works with hands [country music ethos, pick-up trucks, Nascar, hunting fishing, budweiser, meth] White Collar (particularly business / trade related) -- works with social/people skills,common sense and business skills, [easy listening music, Lexus, golf and tennis, chardonay, single malt scotches] Intellectuals (college professors, journalists, doctors, lawyers, etc) [classical music, hyrid cars/volvo station wagons, hiking, skiing, imported beers, obscure wines, pot] Artists (actors, musicians, writers, artists, etc)[new wave, punk, modern rock, world music, sports cars, modern dance, yoga, running in the wilderness ecstasy, hallucinogens, tequilla] Is one strata superior to the other? Do members in one class seek to be in another? For the most part no. For example, a lot of country music is about blue collar pride and why no person with their feet on the ground would ever want to be a shallow yuppie (aka white collar, or air head -- intellectual). More so, an important transition is underway in which the work of Intellectuals, White-collar and artists can be digitized andand commoditized to a degree in global markets -- driving down wages. And similar processes occur in some but not all blue-collar jobs via transfer of jobs (assembly,etc,) overseas. But some jobs can't be digitized nor transferred overseas: many traditional blue collar hands on jobs. Cooks, housekeepers, gardeners, masseuses, etc. these jobs might become higher paying and thus prestigious than traditional prestige jobs of Intellectuals, White Collar workers and even some artists. Thus, the jobs that mexican illegals do may become much more sought after and prestigious. Classifying them as sudra and lowly jobs is error prone on two fronts: it presumes i) a rank order to castes or occupational stratas, and ii) that there is no long-run change to compensation and prestige for different types of jobs as markets continue to globalize. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. LOL. Wonderful exchange, Patrick. Anyone can interpret scripture any way they want to. But the bottom line of almost all such interpretations is that it enables people to say, See...God/Jesus/Mohammed/Krishna/Buddha/ whatever *ssid* that what *I* do is correct...so there! Christians *re*interpret Christ because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live life the way he said it should be lived. Hindus *re*interpret their scriptures because it's fuckin' *inconvenient* to live the way they say live should be lived. Bunch of wimps, if you ask me. :-) Yeah, but those muslims are hanging in there: kill the infidel. Inconvenient, but scriptural. (of course some intellectual wimp ass whiners will say Mohommed meant infidels to refer to local enemies, not not muslims.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Of course we are not bound to live our lives the way you think we ought to. That it was an effective satire is obvious. Case close. That some other points of interst were raised, andpursued, doesn't mean that everyone is quite as one dimensional as you appear in this post. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. haha, thats a TELLING confession. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, oh yes, hook line and sinker. Totally disgusting isn't. Too bad we can't stay one pointed to pursue the BIG hook you have been caught on for apparently 10 yeas: bash judy. and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. HAHAHA. Thank god they are not trying to tells us what is acceptable topics of discussions are. Like you. That would be totally sick and fucked-up. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. You really do appear to have merde for brains on this topic. There is a large class of humor which is sick and destructive. For example good ol' boy jokes about blacks, jews, women etc. Its quite one sided, not universal bashing depicting the human comedy -- a la John Stewart and South Park -- but rather class elitism, using humor to maintain racist and sexist stereotypes and rigid archaic class structures. The difference between the two are are clear on the outer edges, but less clear on the inner sides that appear to approach each other. Clarifying the distinctions is useful. Except for the eternal shit-for-brains, it appears. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Should read, Jesus asked his Father to forgive the crucifiers. Of course, that may have been a specific instance, and not universally applicable. Jesus could be fickle. Actually I was thinking about a story that Charlie told. It may have been after he was stabbed. (I talked to him 3 days afterwords). Asking Maharishi if he should defend himself if attacked or 'turn the other cheek'. Maharishi's comment was defend yourself. Jesus, MMY, Jesus, MMY... hmmm its a tough call. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: That it [the Onion article] was an effective satire [of the caste system] is obvious. Case closed. Well, since I'm not bound to live my life the way you think I should, I'll reopen it, in its own thread. :-) My wording was not well-crafted. I did not mean to imply that the thread or topic should be closed -- but rather we are not obligated to discuss something you feel we should (was the satire effective), and ignore all others (the different types of satire) -- because you deem them diversions. But since you raise the topic in its OWN thread, well that changes everything. :) I honestly believe that a lot of folks here ARE uncomfortable with the subject of the caste system coming up on this forum. And I think that the reason they're uncomfortable with this is that Maharishi *clearly* believes in it and supports it, and they're *embarrassed* by the fact that he believes in it. Well MMY says a lot of things that an employee and tight, close follower would and should feel uncomfortable with. Thats why a lot of people who were such, are no longer (close followers). I think the latter is a much larger group here, and in the world, is much larger that the former. So when you say a lot of people, its a bit odd to me -- its a relatively small group. Only a couple of weeks ago, someone posted a long quote of Maharishi's in which he not only supported the concept of the caste system, The BIG question is how various parties are defining the LABEL caste system. I think there are many different connotations and implications for the same word. Without clearly defining the what the words caste system means to then, people are discussing apples and oranges. Or apples and fish. In his MMY high level way -- a la its easier for people to learn the craft, business or professon of thier family -- and then they have more time for spiritual stuff. Thats basically HIS definition. He didn't say anything or support social discrimination, sub-castes, or even inter-caste marriage (which the vedas allow -- with guidelines). but tried to reinvent it and pretend that it was based on Jyotish, not inheritance. MMY said that-- based on jyotish? I thought that was a respondant who got a bit mixed-up about the use of a fairly obscure jyotish calculation. The subject sank like a stone, with very few people even stepping up to the plate to take a swing at it. As is the case with many topics. For eample, I think Iran being successful in processing weapons grade plutonium is quite important -- but I have not commented. No comment does not imply no interest. I noticed Ingegerd (I think) taking a stand against the caste system, and I think that Shemp has consistently taken a stand against it, but it didn't seem as if others wanted to deal with the subject much at all. Seems is the operative word. Seems to you is the key concept. Then, a couple of weeks later, the subject comes up again, this time in a parody article, and the response to it is a bunch of followup discussions that are basic- ally arguments about the relative political correct- ness of the parody's humor...nary a word on the subject of the parody itself. Like so many other good, worthy and interesting points. So is your point that the group is filled with dullards, slackers, apathetic skimmers, etc.? I just find all the aversion fascinating, that's all. Thats your mistake imo, that lack of comment on something you want to discuss, means that other readers are lacking or devious. Frankly, its often hard to make a worhty topic STICK here. (Though often effortless to have a silly topic STICK) If you are really interested in getting a discussion going on a topic, you (often) have to work at it. Like starting a new thread. Good start. But calling everyone pathetic retards (paraphrasing) is less of a good start. So what's YOUR feeling about the caste system, eh? Are you canadian now? Is there ANY validity to it, I think MMY's high level version of caste, as stated above, has some logic and common sense. And it is followed successfully by many families in the US and elsewhere. Without all the abberations of caste that you seem hung up on and which MMY did not endorse. or is it just another way that the current ruling elite of a nation finds a way to make sure that their children rule after them All parents want their kids to be successful. But just because a doctor mother and father want their med school kid to be successful, does not guarantee much. The kid has to perform and compete in a very competitive meritocracy. and that the currently-powerless are *kept* powerless? You have not made any case, other than rhetoric, to support this contention based on the MMY definition of caste system. I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] I think it's the latter. I don't think there are ANY rational arguments that someone can come up with to support the caste system. But that's just me...if you believe differently, and think that the caste system makes sense, please present the reasons why you feel that way. Thanks in advance. Some kind of caste system will always exist, whether its meritocracy or based on your family ties or on your birth chart or on personal wealth or on *something*. Usually, that *something* is several things combined, no matter what social conventions claim. The caste system in India pre-British was somewhat different than it was during the British rule or post-British. WHich was better? How do you define better? Interesting, but I couldn't help but notice that you didn't really answer the question. You tried to divert the subject into nitpicking about the caste system itself. So, once more -- do YOU personally believe that the Indian caste system is a good system, and a valid one? (You can have a different answer for pre-British rule and post-British rule if you'd like.) If you believe it *is* a good system, and based on valid principles, please explain what you think those principles are. Thanks. P.S. I'm not picking on you personally here, Lawson. I'm just pointing out what happens a *LOT* when someone asks people to express an opinion on a subject on which Maharishi's opinion is controversial. All too often, they hem and haw and hedge their bets and *fail* to say what *they* believe one way or another. I think it's a wimpy-assed thing to do, is all. Worse yet are people who ask for comments on non-defined terms, then bash the person for not responding. Thats not only a wimpy-assed thing to do, its a dumb-ass thing to do. is all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. Hear, hear. That's my belief as well. The caste system is indefensible, a blight upon humanity. IMO satirizing a belief in it, using any means whatsoever, is not only legitimate but overdue. Which is what I am saying, and I beleive everyone is saying. But because we don't discuss things the way you want them discussed, we are either (paraphrasing) slackers, retards, racists, or classelitists. Or all. Barry world is a strange place dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. OK. So I am asking you. What does caste system mean to you. What are the specific attributes that you object to. And why do you object to them? Up until now, on this VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, as you have stated, all that you have done is bash a label. You have provided no substance to the debate. Thats seems to be a shame, if not a total cop-out on this VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. Or are you a member of a caste that gets to ask quesions but not answer them. or debate them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting 'Lost'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been watching this series again, and y'know the reviewer from Tricycle is right on...it really *IS* a spiritual series, and a *consciously* spiritual series at that. Or maybe thats a feel good justification for watching crap-TV. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. Ah, the discussion MUST conform to Barry's way of wishing it to go. Its my football (thread) so you gotta play by my rules or I am going to take my football home. It seems to me you apitomize many characteristics of the caste system that you appear to dispise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing to take a stand?, close
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. OK. So I am asking you. And I'm ignoring you. Life sucks sometimes, doesn't it. Which for me, is good thing. But you are the one that started this thread because you said it was so important to discuss. And you slammed all slackers, TB's and retards (in your view) on the list for not fully engaging in the topic you felt to be so important. So when someone asks you to actually provide some substantive discussion, you punt. Shutdown. Wow, you can't make this stuff up. I looked in the dictionary under hypocrite and it had your picture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing TO DISCUSS SUBSATANCE.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well, I can't play bait and switch, musical chairs here. I gave my comments about MMY defined caste system. You clearly mean some thing else -- but it is not defined. I am not going to argue abstraact labels... I'm not going to argue, period. I asked what you thought about the caste system, you answered. End of story. Ah, the discussion MUST conform to Barry's way of wishing it to go. Its my football (thread) so you gotta play by my rules or I am going to take my football home. It seems to me you apitomize many characteristics of the caste system that you appear to dispise. Whatever. From my point of view, you're bored and are trying to start an argument. I'm not bored, and am avoiding the argument. I think I've got the better deal... :-) I am not trying to start an argument. I am responding to your call for substantive discussion. I don't have a POV onthe topic. I offered a few observations. I think you raised a good point -- people do feel uncomfortable with the topic. Not because many are TM TB's but because most of us have some interests and connections to India and Indian culture and caste system is a bit of a puzzle. Does it have any redeemng qualities is a fair and good question for discussion,IMO. That you do not care to discuss a question that you raised is quite odd, but I have come to expect that from you. And your absence from the discussion is bound to raise it to a higher level, absent your strong tendency to mischaracterize other's positons and imput dastardly motives for anyone exploring a position differing from yours. So thanks for raising the topic. And thanks for having the good sense of not participating and polluting it (with the above). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Caste System...anyone willing TO DISCUSS SUBSTANCE.
Here are some links to provide some background and different POVs. http://www.brookings.edu/views/articles/toch/19991201.htm http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=6 http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/11/6/931 http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/11/news/dalit.php http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/genetics_and_identity/case.html http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm http://www.answers.com/topic/caste http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2101/Wells/Wells.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_Archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2005/04/20050426_b_main.asp https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/pi/pitchappan_profile.html http://www.dalitstan.org/holocaust/invasion/histgene.html http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226169634/104-1423200-8312725?v=glancen=283155 http://wps.prenhall.com/ca_ph_macionis_sociology_5/0,9516,1544047-content,00.html http://www.freeessays.cc/db/26/hsz102.shtml http://www.friesian.com/caste.htm http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring98/india.htm http://adaniel.tripod.com/castes.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/caste.html http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYZ/is_4_29/ai_95445135 http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Caste_System.htm http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/21st/projects/GeneticDiversity/jorde.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. But maybe I misread you. I don't have time to look for the quote Regardless, you are clarified your position. I To the contrary, I said I couldn't recall The Onion ever having demeaned Jews as a group or blacks as a group or Muslims as a group. You said you thought you recalled pieces along those lines but couldn't come up with any and brought forth a list of sitcoms and movies instead. Then I said (above) written satirical pieces and sitcoms/ movies are in different categories--and then you cited South Park, which was a non sequitur as far as I can tell. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. This is now so utterly confused and far from my original point that it's not worth trying to straighten out. There is confusion, it could be at many points of writing and understanding. But good. Lets drop it. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. You didn't address any of them. And you came up with yet another straw man above. If you say so.It was not my intent. And I don't see
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. Nope, didn't. I never disagreed that equal-opportunity bashing was OK. Fine. But that is not the point I was saying I understood you to be making last night. Perhaps I misread you. So since we are in a huge web of miscommunication here, lets move on to other,perhaps more interesting topics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick posted this announcement: This evening (holland time), full moon day, in the Global Family Chat, Raja Wilhelm declared that Holland is now invincible. Because it has reached the required number of yogic flyers needed for the country. Holland is now enjoying integrated national consciousness and is now a rising star in the family of nations. http://www.amsterdam.info/coffeeshops/ Raja Wilhelm made the announcemnt from a temporaty throne set up in CoffeeShop Pink Floyd -- and he then led his entourage, all giggling at the joy of the occasion, for a similar announcement down at cafe MellowYellow where he also blessed the plans for the 2006 Cannabis Cup -- to be renamed The World Peace and Enlightenment Natural Law Cup http://images.google.com/images?q=amsterdam%20cannabis%20cupsourceid=mozilla-searchie=utf-8oe=utf-8client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialpercentage_served=100sa=Ntab=wi http://www.high-land.co.uk/cannabis-cup.html http://brianx.com/travel-guide/cannabis-cup-amsterdam.html http://www.2camels.com/destination122.php3 Viceroy Write (aka Viceroy All Ways Right) was named Head (giggle) of the upcoming World Marijuana Flm Festival. http://www.cannabiscup.com/ht/cancup/content.php?bid=138aid=9 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42Ā15 MUMBAIĀAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsĀand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But they are receiving strong competition from upstart TransLove Airlines -- Guaranteed to get ya THERE on time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor. He had a few Cambridge Center sidhis working for him back in 1978. I was one of them. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp Did Dan Bricklin do any meditation? Tell us some good early insider VisiCalc stories. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Favorite movies to watch in Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Maybe you can take the Boddhisattva Movie Vow -- to remain unenlighteened life after life until all sentient beings have seen all of these movies. Wonderful concept! I give you fair warning...I plan to steal this idea... :-) Well, ok. As long as you give me proper credit: Idea by Brahman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does ethics have to do with oral sex? Kant's categorical imperative -- paraphrasing, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. She is kroean so jokes about her kerean mother are hardly racist. They are jokes about the differences in social groups -- old skewl, old country culture, and americanized younger generations. She is self-proclaimed queen of the faghags so her jokes are self-effacing. She makes fun of gays also, but she could hardly be called a homophobe. Same with Grace on Will and Grace. Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: The book Why God Won't Go Away includes discussion of some brain research while people are doing various typees of meditation. The author is a professor at th Univ of Penn in Philadelphia (can't remember his name at the moment). He is very engaged in this type of research and is a legitimate sicentist. ALl such books are written by people with agendas. All studies done on meditation are also done by people with agendas, but the scientific method is designed to reduce bias, but has been shown not to be effective in doing so in many cases unless studies are double blind. Discussedin expectatons in scientif studies post of several says ago. Double blind is hard to do for meditation studies. Its more complex than dose response studies with a new drug and a placebo. Still, meditating scientists working in a high expectations institution, cannot be expected produce bias-free work. Even outside of MUM, studies with non-meditating scientists have funding sources that often have at least subtle expectations -- thats why they funded the research. It would be very cool, and the research would put us on the map, and increase donations, if we funded a meditation study that proved far more cost-effective than drugs. which isn't usually the case with books, though the Noetic Instute's summary of meditation research through 1995 is a pretty neutral source, IMHO. The pubmed search engine has veritually all the latest research on meditation, etc., listed (if it's in a peer reviewed journal). The other URLs I've listed are also of value, IMHO. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch_intro1.htm Books seldom are unless you happen to already agree with the author and want a nice bullet-list of Talking Points. For TM, any of the Movement sanctioned books by TM researchers is a good start. The research coming out of the Dali Lama's institute is probably your best source for Buddhist-related meditation research. Likewise with any books that they publish. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are , Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. Yeah, now you got it. Because if we know one thing for sure, Jesus was totally litteral. No symbolism, no parables, no metaphors. What you hear is what you get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linda Greenhouse is one of the journalists at the NY Times who covers the Supreme Court. My civil procedure professor recommended that I read everything that she writes; she has a very clear and deep insight into the Court and she's an excellent writer, too. What do you think of Chicago Tribune reporter Jan Crawford Greenburg who often appears on PBS NewsHour (Jim Lehr) -- as does Linda Greenhouse -- to comment on supreme and appelate court issues. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. And when it did, VisiCalc was one of the first applications available for it. Dan Bricklin had VisiCalc ported to the Intel chip before the PC was even released. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. I should have said, ...started by a *smart* TMer... :-) stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for IBM PCs since 1981. That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC. Lotus wasn't really widely available until 1983. But it was better, and won. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell* his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned him down. Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money as start-up capital for 123. 6-months prior to its release, 123 had the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market positioning. (I dropped my jaw upon reading the WSJ. Holy shit, thats Mitch Kapor!. Hey, I know this guy. Several friends recommended I write him regarding a job. To be like employee #5. For some stupid reason, I made excuses why that was a lame idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for IBM PCs since 1981. That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC. Lotus wasn't really widely available until 1983. But it was better, and won. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell* his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned him down. Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money as start-up capital for 123. 6-months prior to its release, 123 had the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market positioning. OK. you are correct. Kapor did try to sell intial 123 to visicalc. I did not know that. VisiCalc became an almost instant success and provided many business people with an incentive to purchase a personal computer or an H-P 85 or 87 calculator from Hewlett-Packard (cf., Jim Ho, 1999). About 1 million copies of the spreadsheet program were sold during VisiCalc's product lifetime. Dan Bricklin has his version of the history of Software Arts and VisiCalc on the web at www.bricklin.com/history/sai.htm. Bricklin includes early ads and reviews and pictures of the VisiCalc packaging and screenshots. What came after VisiCalc? The market for electronic spreadsheet software was growing rapidly in the early 1980s and VisiCalc stakeholders were slow to respond to the introduction of the IBM PC that used an Intel computer chip. Beginning in September 1983, legal conflicts between VisiCorp and Software Arts distracted the VisiCalc developers, Bricklin and Frankston. During this period, Mitch Kapor developed Lotus and his spreadsheet program quickly became the new industry spreadsheet standard. What is Lotus 1-2-3? Lotus 1-2-3 made it easier to use spreadsheets and it added integrated charting, plotting and database capabilities. Lotus 1-2-3 established spreadsheet software as a major data presentation package as well as a complex calculation tool. Lotus was also the first spreadsheet vendor to introduce naming cells, cell ranges and spreadsheet macros. Kapor was the VisiCalc product manager at Personal Software for about six months in 1980; he also designed and programmed Visiplot/Visitrend which he sold to Personal Software (VisiCorp)for $1 million. Part of that money along with funds from venture capitalist Ben Rosen were used to start Lotus Development Corporation in 1982. Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. Before he cofounded Lotus, Kapor disclosed and offered Personal Software (VisiCorp) his initial Lotus program. Supposedly VisiCorp executives declined the offer because Lotus 1-2-3's functionality was too limited. Lotus 1-2-3 is still one of the all-time best selling application software packages in the world (see email from Mitch Kapor, 04/15/1999). http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Dutch genes have helped tremendously Peter Van Zutphen For the sex and drugs part, right? :) --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/13/06 6:06 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean everybody now gets free chocolate? Free chocolate, free sex, free marijuana. On Apr 13, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Rick Archer wrote: This evening (holland time), full moon day, in the Global Family Chat, Raja Wilhelm declared that Holland is now invincible. ĆÆĀæĀ½Because it has reached the required number of yogic flyers needed for the country. ĆÆĀæĀ½Holland is now enjoying integrated national consciousness and is now a rising star in the family of nations. ĆÆĀæĀ½ĆÆĀæĀ½ ĆÆĀæĀ½ ĆÆĀæĀ½ĆÆĀæĀ½ Jai Guru Dev __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/13/06 6:06 PM, Sal Sunshine at salsunshine@ wrote: Does that mean everybody now gets free chocolate? Free chocolate, free sex, free marijuana. Well when we all started TM, thats what we thought Heaven on Earth would be. Now are dreams have come true. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/13/06 6:06 PM, Sal Sunshine at salsunshine@ wrote: Does that mean everybody now gets free chocolate? Free chocolate, free sex, free marijuana. I saw a cartoon recently that is apt. A parent sternly lecturing their kid: When I was your age, we had to walk TWO miles to get stoned and have sex! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Linda Greenhouse is one of the journalists at the NY Times who covers the Supreme Court. My civil procedure professor recommended that I read everything that she writes; she has a very clear and deep insight into the Court and she's an excellent writer, too. What do you think of Chicago Tribune reporter Jan Crawford Greenburg who often appears on PBS NewsHour (Jim Lehr) -- as does Linda Greenhouse -- to comment on supreme and appelate court issues. **END** Don't watch any television so I can't comment. Do she and Linda G. do a point/counterpoint thing or just regular, informed dialogue? From the little I've seen of Lehr I'd expect the latter. What's your opinion of her and of Greenhouse? I usually find the Jan Crawford Greenburg interviews intriging and absorbing. I sometimes zone out when I listen to Linda Greenhouse. But I am not a lawyer -- I was just curious of a lawyer's views on the two. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind of wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have been meant as something ironic -- but still something that might appeal to consumers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. Mitch taught in the Cambridge Center and in the short-lived Boston Center on swank Newbury Street, and taught one of my residence courses in Natick, MA. One of the Cambridge lady governors defended him years after he left the movement by insisting Mitch had unbearable headaches on the course and talked to MMY about it and it was agreed he should leave the course. I read an interview by Mitch and he was pretty explicit that he just saw no point to the course and packed up his stuff and walked to the train station. I am not sure that translated into his being anti-tm. just anti that course. I was on that course, and I was a bit disappointed myself at times. The course seemed pretty looose and experimental. And as I recall, his departure was pretty abrupt. Word came the next morning that he had just up and left. And I don't remember him complaining about severe headaches when M. was there, in group meetings etc. If it was a mutual agreement sort of thing, then it would seem it would have been less abrupt, some good byes, a car to take him to the train station, etc. Not a hasty, silent, late night exit. He did knock TMers in an Esquire magazine article years later, posing the question: if TMers are supposed to be so enlightened, how come they're so messed up? Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor. Interesting. I did not know that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting 'Lost'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reviewer's book, Cinema Nirvana: Enlightenment Lessons from the Movies, sounds worth looking into, too... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400049741/qid=1144849845/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-1423200-8312725?s=booksv=glancen=283155 Its by Dan Slutyer -- an early MIU TA (SB and FF) . The first review is by Dan Jackson, also an early MIU TA -- who according to Phil Glodberg who used to post here -- recently bacame a rabbi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
Thats because you are a hugely bright light with the most piercing intellect --- and with the most subtle and sublime wit I have ever read. And I TOTALLY agree with Shemp: superlatives and platitudes absolotuley are the worst possible things on the planet, no, the ENTIRE universe! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has got to be the ABSOLUTE BEST POST i HAVE EVER READ HERE ON fAIRFIELD lIFE --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I watched some of the David Lynch Weekend downloads. And, yes, some of it was pretty interesting, particularly when Lynch was talking about film. It wasn't so interesting whenever he started talking about TM and selling the product. But what bugged me was that blowhard Bob Roth. Every time he introduced someone they were either the greatest at whatever it was they were doing or just simply great human being. I am sick of superlatives and platitudes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- TurquoiseB wrote: it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere* to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of meditation or spiritual practice for *any* reason. Period. I don't believe compulsion enters in; I believe the parolee decides whether to participate in the program. I've forgotten the details. The dicey question might be whether the parolee gets easier terms as a result of participation. Again, I don't recall. This question is kinda like the grammar question I commented on a moment ago. I don't know what the rules are, but I know what feels right, and it feels like the Enlightened Sentencing Program is a great thing. That's cool. Doesn't feel that way to me. Feels like the top of a very steep and very slippery slope to me. On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)? Or as an apprentice in the Moonies' programs? Or attendance at a 12 part tantra sex seminar?* How about a year with Scientology? *Don't laugh, when I was in college, Herbert Marcuse -- an emmensely popular professor and author -- and a Marxist -- was teaching at a sister campus, teaching in his classes that not getting enough sex was the root of most social problems and all wars. Governor Ronald Reagan was not amused and tried to fire the tenured professor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... You probably know the formal rules of English grammar better than I do! We would never use that construction, but I couldn't possibly explain why. Well, I've studied *some* general linguistics, and that's why I know that English is an SVO-language, that is, the normal word order of a declarative sentence is subject-verb-object. Correct you are. Impressed I am. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anon_couscous_ff wrote: On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)? Or as an apprentice in the Moonies' programs? Or attendance at a 12 part tantra sex seminar?* How about a year with Scientology? When those programs offer reams of data demonstrating their efficacy, great. Let's put them to work. You fool! Tom Cruise has already studied the history of psycho-therapy. (HAVE YOU? !!). What more do you need!! :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita and Western Neo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allow Sri Bhagavan to have the last word on this question: There must be human effort to discard them [vasanas]how could God be expected to be favourable towards you without your striving for it' [Letters pg 151]. Striving being very non-satsang and advaitan, per trinity in recent posts. Desire /striving to end the cycle of desire is ironic, if not funny, if not -- at some point -- not productive, IMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita and Western Neo-Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allow Sri Bhagavan to have the last word on this question: There must be human effort to discard them [vasanas]how could God be expected to be favourable towards you without your striving for it' [Letters pg 151]. Striving being very non-satsang and non-advaitan, per trinity in recent posts. Desire /striving to end the cycle of desire is ironic, if not funny, if not -- at some point -- not productive, I To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Thats because you are a hugely bright light with the most piercing intellect --- and with the most subtle and sublime wit I have ever read. And I TOTALLY agree with Shemp: superlatives and platitudes absolotuley are the worst possible things on the planet, no, the ENTIRE universe! Thank you, Anon and Peter, your responses were the best and most loving I could ever imagine reading. You've made me the happiest person in the world. Well Its SUCH a JOY, Shemp. Life is Bliss after all. Especially for us who GET IT. But really, everyone in the entire universes, no, ALL the universes, readly do GET IT. They just Don't GET that they GET IT yet. Whoa. No THATS the hugest of all Paradoxes of Brahamn. Well, I have to run. Yesterday, I found the best teacher in the whole cosmos, with the highest knowledge. I am going to get his TOTALLY awesome Darshan. Its the real thing. TOTALLY powerful. Now, if I can only meet my soulmate there. How AWESOME would that be, to meet the PERFECT girl. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This has got to be the ABSOLUTE BEST POST i HAVE EVER READ HERE ON fAIRFIELD lIFE Someone else who objects to Bob Roth's style. Ironically, using all caps to express support for someone complaining about someone who speaks in absolutes... um, that was sort of the joke -- along with absolute best post ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- anon_couscous_ff wrote: On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)? Or as an apprentice in the Moonies' programs? Or attendance at a 12 part tantra sex seminar?* How about a year with Scientology? When those programs offer reams of data demonstrating their efficacy, great. Let's put them to work. Ah,but all TM data is suspect because it is, well, TM data. Never mind if many/most/all of the scientists working on the study don't practice TM. If its TM, its fake data, by definition. Well, sort of, yes. I just read a novel, that perhaps ironically, weaves a lot of scientific studies into the plot. (State of Fear -- Michael Critcheon). One set of studies, that I have vaguely seen over the year -- along with the great cognitive science stuff that periodically comes out -- was on expectations and bias in polling and scientific studies. He cited a number of studies along the lines of sending two genitically identical sets of mice to two sets of labs, where one lab was told (falsely) that the mice were bred specially for intelligence and they were 70% above the norm. The other lab was told the inverse aka stupid mice. Each lab provided results parallel to the expectations. Same with polling -- each poller READS the same quesions from a card, but one set of pllsters are told people on average answer yes 70% of the time. Other set of pollers are told that people generaly answerno 70% of the time. The poll results from all poltsers correllated closely with the expectations. Lotsof similar studies. It does not require ill intentions. But subtle cues of expectations can highly drive and distort results of studies. Why may not be fully clear. But there is a mountain of evidence along these lines. Thus the move towards double blind studies -- where the subjects AND the reserchers don't know who got the real drug and who got the placebo. I'm sorry, but ANY MUM study is suspect due to this exectations pehenomenon. It doesn't mean David OJ, Skip A, Arick A, or Fred T.. or whoever are evil or ill-intentioned, but they live and work and breath in a HIGH expectations environment. The epectations effect is real. I personally don't trust a shred of their resseach. Show me some good old time TOTAL independent research. By people not connected the TMO, who are not new-agey and have no great love of meditation and things mystical. I want to see research by Dennis Hopper -- with a Phd. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/12/06 3:48 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: Bob Roth has a style that some like and some don't but to call him a blowhard seems, well, unusual. Bobby is a dear friend of mine, although we hardly ever interact because we live in such different worlds these days. We taught and lived together from 1982-84 in Detroit. He has a very good heart, tremendous focus and energy, and is an all around great guy. He was just doing his bit as an MC at the Lynch thing. He's not a gifted public speaker. But a gifted PR guy. He's behind most of the TMO's PR these days. He and I need to have a chat. Don't think we ever have, unless it was during the NLP days. Ask him, if after Valley Forge, if he sleeps with cotton in his ears when camping outside. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip Can't you configure a computer setup that would allow you to walk on a treadmill while working on the computer? I have never tried it, but I believe it's doable, although it would probably have to be a very slow walking pace, but it's better than sitting for hours. http://www.squidoo.com/walkingwhileworking I have a cheap little plastic thingie under my desk (also good for long airplane rides) with pedals (up- and-down flat ones, not like on a bicycle) that I try to use when I'm working at the computer. It's not really exercise per se, but at least it gets the blood moving in my legs. Trouble is, I can't use it if I have to be using the mouse, because the foot motion moves the rest of my body just enough to make it hard to click in exactly the place I want. I should think walking, even very slowly, would have the same effect. I keep a couple of dumbells next to my chair (no not Sparaig and Shemp :) that I do various lifting, pressing, curling exercises with. Its amazing the number of subtle but significant variations one can come up with that exercise various muscles. I target a total of 1000 reps a day, seldom obtained. but 500-600 is still a good day. 30 here, 30 there, and soon you are talking real exercise. And wow. Huge perk: your head gets fresher and clearer with even 30 reps. Much better than reaching for some coffee. (I know, all of you are asking, pleading, that I do lots of reps prior to posting). Its upper body, which is good, because it compliments my main excercise which is lower body, -- currently skiing, hiking and cycling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/12/06 5:08 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [...] His radical body fluctuations reminded me of Bevan Morris. Bevan was our informal course leader at St. Moritz and, at the time, was no more than 150 lbs. Several years later he, of course, ballooned up to what appeared to be his current weight...300 lbs? Of course, the difference between Roth and Bevan is that Roth lost all the weight and it stayed off and Bevan hasn't. I'm working on losing that extra 100+ out of 300 myself. Stress and unstressing can affect people differently. After my two kids were born (out of wedlock, to different mothers, 6 months apart), I went from 160 to 270 in the space of about 15 years, and ballooned even further to 296 in the last 5. Now down to 284 in a few weeks by cutting out soda. Starting to walk again (not easy when you are carrying yourself on your back). My goal is to weigh 200 or less by the end of next year. We will see. Do you try to walk a little farther every day? Or the same route? Perhaps dedicating about half of your computer time to more walking would help. Of course, who am I to talk? I'm not overweight, but could sure use more exercise. Can't you configure a computer setup that would allow you to walk on a treadmill while working on the computer? I have never tried it, but I believe it's doable, although it would probably have to be a very slow walking pace, but it's better than sitting for hours. http://www.squidoo.com/walkingwhileworking Here's a better idea: configure a computer setup that would allow you, while working on your computer, TO NOT EAT SO MUCH! Why don't you give THAT a try? Well those of us with incredibly subtle nervous systems and the most faint and subtle breath :), can eat almost nothing (and it being pure protein) and simply maintain weight. Even with 1-2 hours of hard excercise a day. Even fasting (on water) does not cause weight to change much. Oh the curse of a refined nervous system!!! :) You apparently don't face this phenomenon. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip I'm sorry, but ANY MUM study is suspect due to this exectations pehenomenon. It doesn't mean David OJ, Skip A, Arick A, or Fred T.. or whoever are evil or ill-intentioned, but they live and work and breath in a HIGH expectations environment. The epectations effect is real. I personally don't trust a shred of their resseach. Show me some good old time TOTAL independent research. By people not connected the TMO, who are not new-agey and have no great love of meditation and things mystical. I want to see research by Dennis Hopper -- with a Phd. Trouble is, as Crichton points out, it cuts both ways. If you want to be able to have complete faith in the results, you don't want just *independent* researchers, you want *neutral* researchers with no bias either way. yes,neutral was the idea I was shooting for. Enough diverse and independent researchers wiil, in bulk, be neutral. The errors cancel each others out. (See Wisdom of Crowds, a fascinating read.) They'll be hard to find, if only because, being neutral, they'd have no particular interest in researching meditation. Thats why a good random sample of diverse and independent, reserchers are good, if not necessary. It's the folks who have an interest--pro or con--who tend to be motivated to go to the trouble to do the research (on just about any subject). Well, yes and now. Long topic. But if you had some research that was biased in the con direction, at least you'd have the basis for a dialectic. Yes, I think we are on same wave -- again read Wisdom of Crowds. It changed my View. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Judy, thanks for the correction; I did a quick search and didn't think to check and see if this was a separate opinion. I assumed (and apparently, incorrectly) that this was from the Court's actual ruling. Well, I guess an opinion, concurring or dissenting, is technically part of the ruling; I'm not sure how the terminology works. But I just wanted to point out that it's sort of an extended addendum that provides a detailed rationale for the ruling, and is by only one of the three judges. The lower court ruling is much less interesting, much more doctrinaire and superficial. Classic Jerry. Some judges do write with great clarity and those that do, not infrequently, with great wit and charm. The opinion I quoted is, I feel, an accurate and cogent evaluation of the combined TM/SCI position vis-a-vis religion. I'm glad to know you think so. My perspective on it is, to say the least, inexpert, so I'm pleased to have it confirmed. It's the first, and so far the only, detailed opinion I've read on an appeals court case dealing with a constitutional issue, and I was really quite impressed by it. I'd love to know more about Judge Adams. Do you know his first name, by any chance? I can't find it in the document. Do appeals court rulings typically include opinions by one or more of the judges, or does one get written only if an individual judge is inspired to explore the issue in depth? One of the great stories from that case that I heard about was about Jerry Jarvis being cross-examined about the puja and its meaning from plaintiff's attorney. The lawyer was attempting to get Jerry to admit that he (and all TM teachers) literally believed everything that was in the puja -- all the divine stuff -- and therefore, obviously, TM was a religion. Jerry repeatedly denied the literalism of the puja and finally deadpanned that he did not *really* believe that Guru Dev had lotus feet. belly laugh Never heard that; that's great. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Jerry Jarvis being cross-examined about the puja and its meaning from plaintiff's attorney. The lawyer was attempting to get Jerry to admit that he (and all TM teachers) literally believed everything that was in the puja -- all the divine stuff -- and therefore, obviously, TM was a religion. Jerry repeatedly denied the literalism of the puja and finally deadpanned that he did not *really* believe that Guru Dev had lotus feet. belly laugh Never heard that; that's great. Classic Jerry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: For instance, the US armed forces employs a wide variety of clergy to serve as chaplains. They do ALL of the above and get paid by the US government for doing it. It just dawned on me how cool a USAF chaplain's job might be --being proficient in 5 or 8 or more major religions and their primary ceremonies. A saint I like (ok I like all saints) SSRS, said in the future people will simply draw from the best parts of all religions (and drop the archaic stuff). I took that to mean people won't belong to single religions, but become adept at worshiping in many forms and ways. Universalists. So a a USAF chaplain job --being proficient in 5 or 8 or more major religions and their primary ceremonies -- could be a forerunner of this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: For instance, the US armed forces employs a wide variety of clergy to serve as chaplains. They do ALL of the above and get paid by the US government for doing it. It just dawned on me how cool a USAF chaplain's job might be --being proficient in 5 or 8 or more major religions and their primary ceremonies. ??? Chaplains only perform services within the confines of their own religions. OK, I was under the mistaken impression, from movies perhaps, that they are trained in a variety of religious practices, since each unit can't have a whole different set of chaplains for Baptist, Episcalpalian, catholic, reform and conservative jewish, shi-ite and sunni muslim, saivaite and vaishnavite hindu, theravada, hirayana, and tibetian buddhist, jain, confuscian, various african tribal religions. But apparently they do. Wow, that must be a kewl bus to be on. Imagine the poker games. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Aganist Logic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whenever I heard him on the radio (Air America no longer airs in Phoenix) he consistently called those he was criticizing -- foremost almongst them Rush Limbaugh whom he devoted a weekly hour to -- liars. Yes, he consistently gives examples, as you say, of Rush and O'Reilly lies. Which is what I thought you wanted. But I am seeking to find commomn ground. Not to argue. But that's the point: if he can properly document their lies he doesn't have to keep telling us that they are lies and that they are liars. Which is what Judy does with Unc. And I have raised your same argument to her. no need to infinitly repeat. But she sees a need to. And I respect that. I don't need to understand that, or agree with that, but I have enough respect for her, that if she sees the need for continual updating that Unc is loose with the truth, let her do her thing. But he does...and that detracts from the points he may score by proper documentation. I don't disagree. But both Judy and Al appreciate the need for reptition. Thats not my thing (well sometimes. you snickering bastards. :)) So I respect the Wisdom of Crowds. A great read. I may not agree, but diverse, independent views, other than my own, are powerful. Again, not arguing with you. Just providing another POV. And we both appreciate Chloe. Why urgue? :). (Do you like Zooey Dechanel? I am currently watching an obscure film of hers.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Aganist Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Ok. you will do what you need to do. Or what she is compelled to do by her obsession. Just for the record, when it comes to writing posts whose *only purpose* is to trash Barry and try to get other people to trash him too, Judy's average since March 14th is now up to 2.4 POSTS PER DAY. Actually, I think Judy's primary desire is for clarity and statements that at least roughly correspond to reality. (a term you have issues with. i know :)) Since Judy has brought up the issue of not saying anything, let's turn that issue back on her, shall we? No, Lets not. Its trite and tedious to read. I think most of you out there GET how out of control Judy Stein is, Well, a bit hyper, but not out of touch with reality. Not something I can say of everyone hint hint wink wink :) and that her obsession um and these 500 words of yours are not a continuing and eternal obsession? with me is getting WORSE, not better. Your posts and hers, about each other, are getting WORSE, not better. Only a month ago, she was averaging only 1 trash Barry post per day. That's crazy enough, but now she's up to 2.4 a day. I don't think that's sane, by ANYONE's standards. YAWN. Do you really think anyone gives a SHIT? You used to be an inttelligent guy. Have you fallen so low to count the posts per day of a 6o+ year old semi-obsessive (sorry judy) seeker? If you agree, say something. Um Yawn!!! Um 'get a fucking life. You are in France!!! I think I've demonstrated my willingness to ignore the silly bitch this last month, Projection? I let her rant about me, and VERY rarely bother to reply. hahahahahahahahahahhaha Thats the best fib of the year - so far. And when I do reply, all I do is post the latest statistics and try to show both her and the other people here HOW out of control this obsession of hers is getting. yeah. she is the ONLY one out of control. Delude on Bro!!! blah blah. blah blah blah. Judy is crap (as IF we hadn't gotten your POV prviosly!!!) If you have any suggestions for how you can reclaim Fairfield Life, Um. stop stupid and insipid slams on your past demons?? and get it back to some semblance of how it was before Judy and Lawson fucked it up, speak up. What about thAT UNC GUY? He fucked it up EVEN more. That *includes* telling me to move on. If you think it would help to have me no longer around, I'd be happy to move on and post here no more. Any posts on Bob Dylan, Bruce Cockburn, Sims Chicks, good films, good. books, kewl teachers are welcome. Any obsessive posts filled with hate and loathing, send to your shrink. or current witch doctor. Or Dr.Pete. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Aganist Logic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Whenever I heard him on the radio (Air America no longer airs in Phoenix) he consistently called those he was criticizing -- foremost almongst them Rush Limbaugh whom he devoted a weekly hour to -- liars. Yes, he consistently gives examples, as you say, of Rush and O'Reilly lies. Which is what I thought you wanted. But I am seeking to find commomn ground. Not to argue. But that's the point: if he can properly document their lies he doesn't have to keep telling us that they are lies and that they are liars. Which is what Judy does with Unc. And I have raised your same argument to her. no need to infinitly repeat. But she sees a need to. And I respect that. I don't need to understand that, or agree with that, but I have enough respect for her, that if she sees the need for continual updating that Unc is loose with the truth, let her do her thing. But he does...and that detracts from the points he may score by proper documentation. I don't disagree. But both Judy and Al appreciate the need for reptition. Thats not my thing (well sometimes. you snickering bastards. :)) So I respect the Wisdom of Crowds. A great read. I may not agree, but diverse, independent views, other than my own, are powerful. Again, not arguing with you. Just providing another POV. And we both appreciate Chloe. Why urgue? :). (Do you like Zooey Dechanel? I am currently watching an obscure film of hers.) I love Chloƫ and will go out of my way to see anything she's in...she's terrific in Big Love, although I'm having a hard time really liking the whole premise of the series. ...loved Zooey Dechanel in The Good Girl, the Jennifer Aniston independent film, but that's pretty much all I've seen her in. Yes. loved her in a number of films. Last Days of Disco, comes to mind, along with Kate B. -- nailed late 70's girls, IMO. Barry -- the man-- opinion's pending. But I am a HUGE Whit Stillman fan. (Metropolitan, Barcelona,and Last Days of Disco). Which is the obscure film? All the Pretty Girls. Netflix along with IMDB is great way to view entire filomography of an actor or director, or even set designers (gotta love the sets of Gattaca, amongst many others) See. We have common ground. We can relate as people. And differ as people, on occaision. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chloe, Kate, Whit and Woody (not that kind of Woody Vaj,pay attention)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Yes. loved her in a number of films. Last Days of Disco, comes to mind, along with Kate B. -- nailed late 70's girls, IMO. Barry -- the man-- opinion's pending. And Melinda and Melinda. Have you seen it? Woody Allen is SO great on concept (and cinemtography) ,we can excuse him a bit on execution. Even though the end result is usually miles above the formula schlock of hollywood MOVIES. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Aganist Logic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Yes. loved her in a number of films. Last Days of Disco, comes to mind, along with Kate B. -- nailed late 70's girls, IMO. Barry -- the man-- opinion's pending. Amd Melinda and Melinda. Have you seen it? Woody Allen is SO great on concept (and cinemtography) ,we can excuse him a bit on execution. Even though the end result is usually miles above the formula schlock of hollywood MOVIES. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Aganist Logic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ [...] Unc plays loose with the truth. No argument. He is a great BSer. Learned from the feet of greats. (DF) As I posted earlier today, my view is that his posts are a great put on - a satire -- an Andy Kauffmanesque spoof on our foibles. (And you will have to decide if I am spoofing you in this.) Regardless, Unc has some redeeming qualities. He appreciates Bob Dylan deeply. As do I. He apprciates Bruce Cockburn as do I. He appreciates great film deeply (not movies) as do I. And, oddly :) as does Shemp. He appreciates the French, as do I -- having lived there in the very early 70's. He appreciates great writing, as do I. He appreciates great SIMS women of yesteryear as do I. He appreciates humor and a sly twinkle of wit as do I. So even given his horrid traits ( :) ), there is a kernal of good in everyone. He is a living lesson of seeing past surface flaws. :) Dig dem shiny teeth! Yes, He does have pearly white teeth. And his ex wife had way shinier white teeth and dazzling smile. So since she once gave him the time of day, I give him the time of day. And some respect. (no disrespect unc -- all glory to K. --- and past days.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
Thanks. Good responses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Some people here are just pissed about the call of the Satsang givers, to give up seeking, to rather look at the truth which is there right now. I don't recall people getting pissed at the call to give up seeking, to look at the truth which is there right now. I didn't really have you in mind with this. But I do think that many have strong notions about enlightenment being a big achievement you have to 'work' for. I remember at one Satsang at Aranuachala, when an American teacher came there, there was quite an uproar and protest among some of the very long-time Tiru residents, who spend decades in Self-enquiry, and then there comes this lady who's just been shortly to Poonja and claims 'enlightenment.' Its rather a more rich matrix of views than a dichotomous satsangees and pissed-offers here on FFL. And as a broader point, not specific to your post, its crude polarization and compartmentalization of views into this or that that obstructs communication and understanding, IMO. Sure, but wasn't referring to you, but to people who have strong traditional notions about how things have to be. For example, for what its worth, if we include FFL as a type of satsang (you may disagree, point noted), Correct. You could call it Satsang in a broader leasurly way, but Satsang the way I understand it, has a more unified format. For example the modern Satsang scene is a specific type of Advaita, which proposes the 'Ajata' view (Ajata= No birth, unborn. The Self is immutable. Birth death and the world process are just appearances.) In that sense no practises are recommended, as a practise would imply a deviation from the truth (which is always there, you know.) There are obviously people who disagree with this view, and are on a different path. For example Ramana, while primilary holding the Ajata view, still recommended practises to many, like Atma Vichara *when that view didn't seem to work for them* and still advocated Bhakti/ Japa to others, for whom Atma-Vichara didn't work. Most people here are or were TMers, and here the view is certainly NOT Ajata, as practise is recommended, and enlightenment is seen as conditional to those practises (theory of stress release.) Furthermore it is a gradual approach, with 'levels' (CC,GC, UC). Levels are discouraged in the sudden approach, because levels themselves imply a gradual achievement. So, TMers, yogis, tantrics, Satsangis will not be able to agree on fundamentals, which is okay of course. But in Satsang the absorption, the internalization of certain fundamental insights is essential, therefore there is more a sense of a direction in the regular Satsangs, and the person who profits from it, can only do so, if he has a strong resonance to the teaching. It is after all Jnana Yoga. Remember what MMY ssays in the SBAL about Jnana Yoga? I don't have the quote here anymore, but he essentially likens it to some form of auto-suggestion. You should really strongly be convinced and *believe* in the reality of Non-duality. This kind of absorption and trust is essential. Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a great intellect. He got it because he had trust, and accepted the truth in the core of his heart, and that is the only way it can work IMHO. I regularly raise questions and frame observations about possible contradictions in some posters statements who claim enlightenment, and some of whom champion local satsangs. [does that make me anti-satsang?] No, but it makes you conceptualizing. I see value in questioning. And I see value in true satsang, which involves true questioning. [does that make me pro satsang?] I guess so. Satsang involves inetellect and questions that are there should be raised. But do you deal with the questions on a purely conceptual basis, or are you really trying to find the answer out of an deep individual need? What is your approach in finding the answer, what is your motivation in questioning? And I am quite open to instant enlightenment -- which in my view can be triggered by the intellect, a eureka experience, which transforms itself into a state not a mere intellectual understanding. [does that make me pro satsang?] Sure. And I have experienced regularly instant transmissions (an odd term) / darshans from saints trough attention used in a particular way. For example, I been glowing and absorbed in the darshan of Mother Meera. Thats actually very nice to hear :-)) I am always amazed how many people have an inner contact with her without having even seen her. I think she is very accessable to 'distant Darshan'. But Satsang and Darshan are two different things
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pseudo-advaita and unqualified Satsang Service Providers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita by Aziz on the proliferation of unqualified Satsang Service Providers (Similar material from Aziz, annotated and linked, can be found at The Wanderling's site, but without the additional material at the bottom) Link? You can say what you want anon_stute, but the recent Satsang culture has like nothing else popularized the essential Advaita doctrines, and as such it can only be good in my eyes. Somebody may hear the truth from a reader at the market-place and get awakened, like Bodhi-dharma did. So that is good and fine. But it does not counter or even address the many fine points,IMO,that the article raises. And lets face it: most people here are around a meditation path already for decades. So leave it up to the appeal/resonance and the results, how ready they are for the highest teaching. If they aren't ready, and are just out for some emotional comforting, so let it be, what's the harm? If you can't profit from this type of teaching, then move on. But why does Advaita need to be communicated primarily via Satsang? There are other avenues. Groups are fine, some are attracted to the sociality of it. But groups also can become (not always), fertile fields of ego growth and forms of delusion -- from groupthink, the desire to belong by matching peer experiences, etc. I also think that many Satsang givers haven't achieved the highest, and are actually premature in teaching, but they will learn, and people around them can still profit. My point is, they are discussing the truth, and there can't be anything wrong about that. Which can be done also, perhaps more effectively, by directly reading statements of truth, putting ones attention on saints who embody the truth, deep inquiry into what is (and is not). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talking Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 10:01 AM, anon_astute_ff wrote: The talking school generally attracts those who have a minimal capability for (or capable impulse toward) renunciation, Yogic (or Spiritual) discipline, and deep meditation, but who otherwise are habituated to constantly talk, listen, and think. The discipline and the Realization in the talking school (especially in its modern form) are generally minimal, weak, superficial, temporary, and merely mental (or intellectual) , and the talking school is (and has been) rightly criticized because of this. Bingo! There simply is no 'talking school'. It's an invention of whomever. Shravana means listening. Manana means thinking. Listening and thinking go hand in hand. And need not be done in groups. (listening beingbroadly define as accepting input -- from reading, inquiry, attention on saints,etc.) Even Shankara himself stated that there cannot be a practise to 'achieve' enlightenment, only the Self can realize itself. Which is a statement for teaching but is not Truth. Its pretty funny indeed. The Self wakes up and realizes ItSelf??? So the Self was sleeping before??? haha. CICI (Consciousness is Conscious of Itself) is eternal. Not an off/on phenomenon. What it is that wakes up locally to realize / know / experience that CICI maybe a mystery of sorts. Why do some humans realize IT, and a rock doesn't? (For CICI in a rock just as much as in a human.) It at least in part is triggered by understanding / insight (though triggered by such, IT is not a mere understanding in itself) -- available to humans via the intellect, something not available to a rock. But the trigger and resulting living appreciation that CICI has nothing to do with Consciousness waking up or realizing itself -from a state of non-realization.) And this does open the door for an immediate trigger -- which could be via satsang, or reading statements of truth, or simply deep analysis and figuring out the insight/trigger. (And the stability of the post-trigger state may vary.) For example, one chapter in Shankaras Upadesha Sahasra is entitled: 'How to enlighten a disciple' and it consists purely of dialog between teacher and disciple,interms of realizing the Atman as unconditional reality. No talk of tantric practises or any practise at all! But one thing is true: For Shankara not everyone was eligable to receive this knowledge: Only Brahmins who had studied the Vedas and who where Brahmacharins could do so. But for breaking that rule you have to credit already Ramana, Nisargadatta and Vivekananda. It is also true, that the controvery about Advaita exists already as long as there is Advaita. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Daily Aghori Satsang Update
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Gives the story about shiny teeth a whole new meaning.. Do you think Aghoris were gold vendors? No, they just found something good to say (or taste, actually) about the rotting corpses. I think an Aghori would not try to find good or bad, these being attributes placed on IT by the mind. The Aghori does many things that most others find distasteful -- in order to cultivate the truth that there is no good and bad, no pretty and ugly, no pleasure and pain. Its all divinity. God is in the rotting corpse as much as in the dakini is their Truth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/11/06 11:36 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. But everyone else needs to be told, for their protection or something? Judy as world-condom. Love it. Does that make Barry a Big Dick? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Seven Stages of Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the clueless Trinity. I think Trinity is far from clueless. Unless you are saying clues are only for those that don't have answers (insights) -- that they need clues to figure out something they don't know. In that sense, Trinity might be beyond clues -- aka clueless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talking Advaita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Even Shankara himself stated that there cannot be a practise to 'achieve' enlightenment, only the Self can realize itself. Which is a statement for teaching but is not Truth. Its pretty funny indeed. The Self wakes up and realizes ItSelf??? So the Self was sleeping before??? haha. Okay, let me rephrase it: Only the Self can recognize Itself, that is shine upon itself, it does not need another lamp to shed light on it, it is the light. Yes, we are saying the same thing. I was just enjoying the humor sometimes contained in words and phrases. The question now could be: Who awakenes? The Self is already eternal and imutable, it doesn't need to awaken, Yes, that was my point above. Again, I think we are saying similar things. and so is the witnessing consciousness. I am unclear as to your distinction here. Two things. Ever Awake Consciousness and witnessing consciousness. It is therefore the I-consciousness, the Jiva, the individualized soul which attains realization. We may have semantic differences -- these words perhaps meaning something somewhat different to each of us. The I is not substantial -- a smoke and mirrors type mirage. When the I dissipates, then per your model/words realization would disappear. Which is not the case. Jivanmukti means to me individuality is liberated. In essence extinguished. As we have discussed previously, and agreed I believe, while a social self remains, identification with localized aspects -- body, mind, thoughts -- and thus ownership and possessiveness of thoughts, identification with particular tastes and preferences, and most profoundly/importantly IMO, indentification with the decider/willer/ -- the intellect, this whole web of identification that creates the illusion and myth of individual -- dissolves. Or at least becomes very transparent. If this web of illusion is what is realized, the realization dissolves. That means realization of CICI is short-lived. Which is not the case. This is the conclusion of the ADVAITA BODHA DEEPIKA (lamp of non-dual knowledge - by Karapatra Swami who condensed it out of the work of Shankara). The Self and the witness are already always free. Yes. It is the Jiva who possesses knowledge or is ignorant. While this may be a short-hand way of expressing what is happening, per above comments, it is incomplete. Even misleading. If jiva is the collection of localized intellect, mind etc, which each operate according to their natures, with out need of a doer, and not ego / sense of individuality, then the statement makes sense (It is the Jiva who possesses knowledge or is ignorant.) CICI (Consciousness is Conscious of Itself) is eternal. Not an off/on phenomenon. What it is that wakes up locally to realize / know / experience that CICI maybe a mystery of sorts. Why do some humans realize IT, and a rock doesn't? The individual soul, the jivan. (For CICI in a rock just as much as in a human.) It at least in part is triggered by understanding / insight (though triggered by such, IT is not a mere understanding in itself) -- available to humans via the intellect, something not available to a rock. But the trigger and resulting living appreciation that CICI has nothing to do with Consciousness waking up or realizing itself -from a state of non-realization.) Another way to get at the above point. (If jiva is the collection of localized intellect, mind etc, ) The Self is the light behind all faculties, but it is itself imutable. The Self doesn't need to get enlightened, Yes, that is what we both have been saying. but the Jiva does so, but the light can only come from the Self itself, as it is the light within the Jiva, the intellect, the intuition and all faculties. It is itself unmoving, but causes everything to be moved. Same quesions as above: for you is jiva sense of individuality, separate from the intellect, the intuition and all localized faculties, or in your view is the jiva the collection of intellect, the intuition and all localized faculties? And this does open the door for an immediate trigger -- which could be via satsang, or reading statements of truth, or simply deep analysis and figuring out the insight/trigger. (And the stability of the post-trigger state may vary.) Sure, there are many means. My point is not that you have to have Satsang, or that Shravana has to have the form of literal listening. And yet, this is an ancient format. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pseudo-advaita and unqualified Satsang Service Providers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: You can say what you want anon_stute, but the recent Satsang culture has like nothing else popularized the essential Advaita doctrines, and as such it can only be good in my eyes. Somebody may hear the truth from a reader at the market-place and get awakened, like Bodhi-dharma did. So that is good and fine. But it does not counter or even address the many fine points,IMO,that the article raises. Okay, but I didn't have the time to go through it all. Some points are valid, as I have already pointed out in some other posts, others are completely made up or fabricated. And lets face it: most people here are around a meditation path already for decades. So leave it up to the appeal/resonance and the results, how ready they are for the highest teaching. If they aren't ready, and are just out for some emotional comforting, so let it be, what's the harm? If you can't profit from this type of teaching, then move on. But why does Advaita need to be communicated primarily via Satsang? I never said this. I never said this is the only path. I just defended it to some degree. Ok. Your emphasis on it seemed to me like you were implying a primarily path. But I get your perspective better now. (I will condition this to the degree that they actually teach Advaita principes, and not just some psychological comforting) There are other avenues. Groups are fine, some are attracted to the sociality of it. But groups also can become (not always), fertile fields of ego growth and forms of delusion -- from groupthink, the desire to belong by matching peer experiences, etc. Individual 'striving' can be just as delusional. Sure. It can. Not necessarily so, but each way has strengths and pitfalls it would appear. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Almost that you can take any side on any position; Lets see: Many people are becoming ELATED by the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Or Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the strong and purposeful leadership, clear direction, candor, spotless record, straight-shooting, along with the incredible unity in the U.S. Congress, and the huge progress there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
