[FairfieldLife] Re: IT'S NOW OFFICIAL WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE LIKE NAZI GERMANY
What if someone said YOU were connected to terrorism, no trial just their accusation off you go. It's OK for you as long as it doesn't happen to you. Total self centeredness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: johnlasher: Left unresolved by the new language is just exactly what is constitutional when it comes to detaining American citizens in the United States. But opponents of the original provision said at least it would remain up to judges, not politicians... I'm not in favor of having any more terrorist trials in downtown New York City, or anywhere else in the U.S. As far as I'm concerned, just keep the terroists down at Gitmo. Nobody that I know around here wants a trial for somebody like Osam bin Laden in their back yard! Attorney General Eric Holder ordered the trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others in a federal criminal court in Manhattan, New York! Can you believe that!!! The question is should 9/11 suspects be tried in NY courts, as ordered by US AG Eric Holder or have military trials at Gitmo? Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., compared the decision to try accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other terrorists in New York City to trying Nazi war criminal Hermann Goering in San Francisco. It's ridiculous. These are war criminals and terrorists and they should not be privy to regular courtroom procedures. Debatepedia: http://tinyurl.com/d32otoh Senate Passes Controversial Defense Bill WRITTEN BY RAVEN CLABOUGH FRIDAY, 02 DECEMBER 2011 12:00
[FairfieldLife] IT'S NOW OFFICIAL WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE LIKE NAZI GERMANY
Senate Passes Controversial Defense Bill| Print | WRITTEN BY RAVEN CLABOUGH FRIDAY, 02 DECEMBER 2011 12:00 In the midst of allegations of police brutality and police aggression at the OWS protests, the U.S. Senate approved a bill that is said to explicitly create a police state: the National Defense Authorization Act. The NDAA, passed by a vote of 93 to 7, virtually stated that all of the United States may be considered a battlefield, and therefore the American military is permitted to indefinitely detain any American perceived to be a threat. Several amendments were proposed by both Democrats and Republican Senators, which would have deleted the dangerous provisions that would allow the indefinite detention of American citizens. While most of those amendments were overwhelming voted down, a single compromise amendment was passed that was intended to quell fears that American citizens may be imprisoned indefinitely, though skeptics remain uncomfortable with the final outcome. According to Firedoglake.com, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA will: 1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States; (2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and (3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice. AddictingInfo.org adds: A provision of S. 1867, or the National Defense Authorization Act bill, written by Senators John McCain and Carl Levin, declares American soil a battlefield and allows the President and all future Chief Executives to order the military to arrest and detain American citizens, innocent or not, without charge or trial. In other words, if this bill passes and the President signs it, OWS protesters or any American could end up arrested and indefinitely locked up by the military without the guaranteed right to due process or a speedy trial. Both Senators Mark Udall (D) and Rand Paul (R) proposed amendments to the bill that would have weakened the more dangerous provisions. Udall's amendment would have eliminated provisions regarding the handling of terrorism suspects, while Paul's amendment had far more teeth and would have struck 1031 from the legislation altogether. Both amendments were overwhelmingly rejected, Udall's by a vote of 37 to 61 and Paul's by 30 to 67. The United States Senate has a solemn obligation to our men and women in uniform to pass a Defense Authorization Act, but we also owe it to those fighting the war on terror to prevent rushed, untested and legally controversial limitations on their operations. I can't support provisions that I believe will hurt our national security, Udall said prior to the vote. We haven't had time to adequately consider these provisions. We need to know what our military and intelligence experts and our men and women in the field actually need to most effectively prosecute the war on terror, especially before we change detainee provisions that are already working. I'm urging my colleagues to support my amendment so we can prevent a White House veto, move forward with the NDAA and reach a workable resolution on the detainee provisions. Senator Dianne Feinstein of California also proposed an amendment that would have limited mandatory military custody for suspected terrorists captured outside the United States, but that amendment was rejected as well by a vote of 45-55. A second amendment proposed by Feinstein that would have prohibited U.S. citizens from being held in indefinite detention without being charged or brought to a trial failed by a vote of 45 to 55. In the end, Senators Feinstein and Lindsey Graham worked out a deal to pass an amendment that states, Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. That compromise amendment passed 99 to 1, with only Senator Jon Kyl voting against it. As noted by the Huffington Post: The passage may head off a showdown with the White House, which had threatened to veto the entire bill on the grounds that the section on detentions tied the hands of counterterrorism officials in law enforcement and the military . Left unresolved by the new language is just exactly what is constitutional when it comes to detaining American citizens in the United States. But opponents of the original provision said at least it would remain up to judges, not politicians. To this day the Supreme Court has never ruled on whether it is constitutional to indefinitely detain a
[FairfieldLife] Early Christian meditation
MMY what you put your attention on grows According to both original Christian Churches the Name Jesus was the Word to be transcended on having the actual presence of the divine in what the Name signifies. Meditation on the Name Jesus has been practiced continuously in the Christian tradition. Eastern Orthodox Christians call this practice the Jesus Prayer and use it as either a phrase or just focus on the name Jesus. In the current times this tradition has been formalized in the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, Scriptures, and Eastern Orthodox teaching. Fr. Thomas Hopko, Dean Emeritus, St. Vladimir's Orthodox Seminary. For ancient Christianity and for Eastern Orthodoxy through the ages, the very name Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua is the presence and the power of the Person of Christ himself. When you say that name, he is there. When you invoke that name, Jesus is present. His power is present. His might is present. His saving power is present. He is present! It's a parousia. It's a parousia before the presence of the Lord at the end of the ages, and at the end of the ages is when every knee in heaven and on earth will bow down before him to the glory of God the Father. Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church CCC 2666 But the one name that contains everything is the one that the Son of God received in his incarnation: JESUS. The divine name may not be spoken by human lips, but by assuming our humanity The Word of God hands it over to us and we can invoke it: Jesus, YHWH saves. The name Jesus contains all: God and man and the whole economy of creation and salvation. To pray Jesus is to invoke him and to call him within us. His name is the only one that contains the presence it signifies. Jesus is the Risen One, and whoever invokes the name of Jesus is welcoming the Son of God who loved him and who gave himself up for him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Not as far as I know but some of the subsequent practitioners may have. Milton Erickson did call the state of meditation (transcendence) the state of no trance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect Did Erickson and Bandler and Grinder study the effects of TM initiation specifically, i.e., with the initiate hooked up to an EEG machine? If not, then you're just speculatively extrapolating, and not very convincingly. From what I understand, brainwave entrainment has been studied only using very regular sound frequencies, usually machine- generated, as the stimulus. The passing of the mantra from teacher to initiate in TM doesn't involve anything remotely near that regular. That is, if the mantra is even passed at all, rather than the teacher enlivening, or simply calling the student's attention to, a frequency already present in the student's mind. That sounds like what you're suggesting here: which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning. But this doesn't necessarily involve entrainment per se.(*) I'm in total agreement with Wilber, by the way, about the possibility of understanding religious/spiritual experience in either a mythical or a scientific context (the mythical context being a metaphorical version of the scientific one, when we finally figure out what the latter is). MMY offered both kinds of understanding (even if his nonmythical understanding was only quasi-scientific) and obviously enjoyed the mythical one himself. So I'm not at all opposed to the attempt to understand the process of TM in nonmythical terms. I just don't think the entrainment idea is sufficiently developed or studied to be cited as the definitive approach. - (*) My own theory--not anything MMY ever discussed, as far as I'm aware--is that the mantra sounds live at the most subtle levels of the mind as devata, the processes of knowing. When the TM teacher calls the student's attention to one of them, it becomes chhandas, an object of knowledge. When we meditate, entertaining the mantra involves using that process of knowing (the mantra sound as devata) to *know itself* as that object of knowledge (the mantra sound as chhandas). That creates a feedback loop, like when a microphone apparatus picks up its own sound and magnifies it, only in this case it's a *negative* feedback loop, becoming (as it were) smaller and smaller until it extinguishes itself, leaving the mind without any distinctions between Rishi, the Knower; devata, the process of knowing; and chhandas, the object of knowledge. That's obviously a horrendously crude description of a very vague concept, but I think it's at least potentially consistent with both the experience of TM and MMY's formulation of the Rishi/devata/chhandas structure of consciousness. Of course science hasn't identified any such thing as processes of knowing consisting of subtle sound frequencies at the basis of the mind, so this is even more wildly speculative than the entrainment theory. But if I were a neuroscientist, it's an angle I'd want to pursue. Nope. It's not necessarily what *TM* is, either. I don't know where johnt picked up this purported explanation, but I've never encountered it in the TM context. From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Since you seem to not be aware of it NLP deals extensively with sound vibration known as auditory tonal as contrasted to auditory digital which deals with the meaning of words. Read a little before you comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and they won't do that so they'll always be spectators and draw false conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Frankly I don't give a rat's ass what you buy or don't --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Sorry but I just don't buy the NLP story. It just sounds like a ignorant flatlander theory. On 11/07/2011 12:54 PM, johnt wrote: Since you seem to not be aware of it NLP deals extensively with sound vibration known as auditory tonal as contrasted to auditory digital which deals with the meaning of words. Read a little before you comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and they won't do that so they'll always be spectators and draw false conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
try reading some of Bandler and Grinder and some NLP research and educate yourself or just stay stupid --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Sheeet. Â Is that what brainwashing is? From: johnt johnlasher20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Â Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning. Nope. It's not necessarily what *TM* is, either. I don't know where johnt picked up this purported explanation, but I've never encountered it in the TM context. From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK (Denise)
Denise, In rereading my post I don't mean to say you're stupid. I just mean that there is a large body of knowledge that it's (stupid) not to look into if you really have the interest. Sorry if it seemed like I was saying you were stupid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Thanks. Â I might. Â Judy also pointed out that I don't understand the meaning of the term brainwashing. Â It was an off the cuff remark better left unsaid - I apologize. Â Stupid's o.k. with me though. Â From: johnt johnlasher20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Â try reading some of Bandler and Grinder and some NLP research and educate yourself or just stay stupid --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Sheeet. ÃÂ Is that what brainwashing is? From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK ÃÂ Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK (Denise)
By the way I think what you would find is that we go through life brainwashed and transcending the conditioned sense of self gradually releases one from this (or at least loosens the grip). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: Denise, In rereading my post I don't mean to say you're stupid. I just mean that there is a large body of knowledge that it's (stupid) not to look into if you really have the interest. Sorry if it seemed like I was saying you were stupid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Thanks. Â I might. Â Judy also pointed out that I don't understand the meaning of the term brainwashing. Â It was an off the cuff remark better left unsaid - I apologize. Â Stupid's o.k. with me though. Â From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Â try reading some of Bandler and Grinder and some NLP research and educate yourself or just stay stupid --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Sheeet. ÃÂ Is that what brainwashing is? From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK ÃÂ Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK (Ken Wilber)
Ken Wilber's Integral Psychology offers a way of understanding religious traditions while allowing that there are different levels of understanding. One can be describing a tradition in a mythical manner with descriptions of deities and magical forces. Then again one can describe the same thing from the rational approach. Both ways of describing a truth are accurate but the psychological framework is different. For example the process of meditation can be understood as removing samskaras or it can be understood as removing subconscious psychological conditioned programs. Transcending can be understood as bringing one to Pure Being, Sat, or progressively allowing one to experience successively prior stages of experiences until they experience the most basic experience and the prior to that consciousness with no contend. As ken Wilber puts it: There are arguably the two most important tasks of religion in the 21st-century. The first is to fix our broken religious institutions, creating genuine rational approaches to spirituality in all of our major traditions that can actually meet people where they are while nurturing their growth through magical, mythical, rational, postmodern, and integral stages of development. This alone would help relieve the incredible cultural tension that currently exists between religion and science, closing the massive gap that between faith and reason. The second is to revive the esoteric teachings at the core of every religion for an entirely new generation of spiritual seekers, practitioners, and church-goers. By bringing the transformative practices of contemplation, meditation, and prayer to the forefront of worship, we can begin tapping into a very real technology of liberation, offering an alternative to blind faith by allowing people to experience for themselves the effulgent divinity of the world, of our relationships, and of our own blessed hearts and minds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process
[FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss
Low carb definitely has researched health benefits and you can even do it vegetarian or vegan. Goggle Flexi Diet --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button for this post. Boogety boogety:-P Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there. They work very well and bit by bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on. Since Tom wants me to drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you eat carbs they'll turn to fat. Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry. I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating and not eating various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true for me is that whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite is increased and I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains and starchy root vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The one metabolic typing questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein type, and that is clearly correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)
Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis) many cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed. Lot's of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be vegetarian or even vegan if so desired.Google `Flexi Diet' . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the chance. A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here. My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place. It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of cancer. In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be creeping up in the next twenty years or later because of all the nuclear testings and bombs dropped, etc. I buy this story before the belief that diet causes cancer. Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to all the crap. Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, moving around etc., that the body is trying to adapt by evolving at an accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense. it is not a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... I can't find it right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)
Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis) many cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed. Lot's of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be vegetarian or even vegan if so desired.Google `Flexi Diet' . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the chance. A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here. My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place. It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of cancer. In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be creeping up in the next twenty years or later because of all the nuclear testings and bombs dropped, etc. I buy this story before the belief that diet causes cancer. Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to all the crap. Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, moving around etc., that the body is trying to adapt by evolving at an accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense. it is not a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... I can't find it right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prime Minster Dr Bevan Morris reported on recent advances in the Movement.
Maybe if you read some of the research on the neurolinguistic effects of myth and ritual for example HOW GOD CHANGES YOUR BRAIN by Andrew newberg M.D. and Mark Robert Waldman), Joseph Campbell, Jung, Bandler and Grinder, and others, you might be able to understand the relationship between religious ritual and science. But Oh! I forgot, you aren't really interested in knowing about anything, only criticizing others. I still can't understand why you post to this list. Wouldn't a list that's more your persuasion be appropriate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:43 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Maharishi's Global Family Chat Summary October 28, 2011 Prime Minster Dr Bevan Morris reported on recent advances in the Movement. Dr Morris began by commenting on how powerful the three Vedic performances were on the 24th, 25th, and 26th in enlivening the qualities of Dhanvantari, Hanuman and Mahalakshmi. Well thank god it had nothing to do with Hinduism. This sounds so scientific. I wonder if it affected experiments at LHC? One can almost feel the effect - at the subtle level - the god particles radiating off the pundits. Jai Guru Bev!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prime Minster Dr Bevan Morris reported on recent advances in the Movement.
Try and read ken Wilber to understand they ways in which people worship When there are problems it's from the more mythic fundamentalist levels, not understanding these practices as neurolinguistics. Do some actual research. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 31, 2011, at 2:03 PM, johnt wrote: Maybe if you read some of the research on the neurolinguistic effects of myth and ritual for example HOW GOD CHANGES YOUR BRAIN by Andrew newberg M.D. and Mark Robert Waldman), Joseph Campbell, Jung, Bandler and Grinder, and others, you might be able to understand the relationship between religious ritual and science. But Oh! I forgot, you aren't really interested in knowing about anything, only criticizing others. I still can't understand why you post to this list. Wouldn't a list that's more your persuasion be appropriate. History and repeatability is all I need to know that worship of gods or goddesses simply leads to incredible suffering. Pick up the paper, you can see on an almost daily basis how it torments the planet. Once we isolate the god genes better, hopefully we'll eventually be able to eradicate this disease through selective abortion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prime Minster Dr Bevan Morris reported on recent advances in the Movement.
It's obvious you are incapable of understanding the implications of the research so never mind --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: If you've read my posts, I think you'll find I'm quite familiar with KW. Science can be used as a fundie mythos as well. In India it's been common for decades for blue meme right-wing Hindutva fundies to use physics and science in general to promote their agendas... Mahesh was just a more recent version, with better marketing skills. But he was still a hardcore rightwinger fundie, promoting a mythic Vedism which is mostly fiction. Vedic Creation science is still Creation Science... On Oct 31, 2011, at 8:04 PM, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: Try and read ken Wilber to understand they ways in which people worship When there are problems it's from the more mythic fundamentalist levels, not understanding these practices as neurolinguistics. Do some actual research.
[FairfieldLife] GREAT ARTICLE
Occupy Wall Street: No Demand is Big Enough By Charles Eisenstein Created 10/06/2011 - 08:31 Feature Looking out upon the withered American Dream, many of us feel a deep sense of betrayal. Unemployment, financial insecurity, and lifelong enslavement to debt are just the tip of the iceberg. We don't want to merely fix the growth machine and bring profit and product to every corner of the earth. We want to fundamentally change the course of civilization. For the American Dream betrayed even those who achieved it, lonely in their overtime careers and their McMansions, narcotized to the ongoing ruination of nature and culture but aching because of it, endlessly consuming and accumulating to quell the insistent voice, I wasn't put here on earth to sell product. I wasn't put here on earth to increase market share. I wasn't put here on earth to make numbers grow. We protest not only at our exclusion from the American Dream; we protest at its bleakness. If it cannot include everyone on earth, every ecosystem and bioregion, every people and culture in its richness; if the wealth of one must be the debt of another; if it entails sweatshops and underclasses and fracking and all the rest of the ugliness our system has created, then we want none of it. No one deserves to live in a world built upon the degradation of human beings, forests, waters, and the rest of our living planet. Speaking to our brethren on Wall Street, no one deserves to spend their lives playing with numbers while the world burns. Ultimately, we are protesting not only on behalf of the 99% left behind, but on behalf of the 1% as well. We have no enemies. We want everyone to wake up to the beauty of what we can create. Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary. Our leaders are beholden to impersonal forces, such as that of money, that compel them to do what no sane human being would choose. Disconnected from the actual effects of their policies, they live in a world of insincerity and pretense. It is time to bring a countervailing force to bear, and not just a force but a call. Our message is, Stop pretending. You know what to do. Start doing it. Occupy Wall Street is about exposing the truth. We can trust its power. When a policeman pepper sprays helpless women, we don't beat him up and scare him into not doing it again; we show the world. Much worse than pepper spray is being perpetrated on our planet in service of money. Let us allow nothing happening on earth to be hidden. If politicians are disconnected from the real world of human suffering and ecosystem collapse, all the more disconnected are the financial wizards of Wall Street. Behind their computer screens, they occupy a world of pure symbol, manipulating numbers and computer bits. Occupy Wall Street punctures their bubble of pretense as well, reconnects them with the human consequences of the god they serve, and perhaps with their own consciences and humanity too. Only in a hallucination could someone imagine that the unsustainable can last forever; in puncturing their bubble, we remind them that the money game is nearing its end. It can be perpetuated for a while longer, perhaps, but only at great and growing cost. We, the 99%, are paying that cost right now, and as the environment and the social fabric decay, the 1% will soon feel it too. We want those who operate and serve the financial system to wake up and see before it is too late. We can also point out to them that they sooner or later they will have no choice. The god they serve, the financial system, is a dying god. Reading various insider financial websites, I perceive that the authorities are flailing, panicking, desperately implementing solutions they themselves know are temporary just to kick the problem down the road a few years or a few months. The strategy of lending even more money to a debtor who cannot pay his debts is doomed, its eventual failure a mathematical certainty. Like all our institutions of exponential growth, it is unsustainable. Once you have stripped the debtor of all assets - home equity, savings, pension - and turned every last dollar of his or her disposable income toward debt service, once you have forced the debtor into austerity and laid claim even to his future income (or in the case of nations, tax revenues),
[FairfieldLife] FBI NOW TO WATCH AVERAGE CITIZENS
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/07/fbi-director-vows-more-use-of-lone-wolf-provision-of-patriot-act/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vimanas - Ancient Indian flying machines
It's possible that the 5000 year old stories were myths remaining of an earlier civilization that existed eons before. after 12,000 years or more even steel would be just red dirt. They have found in other places shoe prints in coal deposits millions of years old. Puzzle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Seems like they would have found metal pieces or remnants of crafts built 3000 to 5000 years ago by now. Or at least they would have found their version of the Lockheed Skunk Works as it would have required huge factories to build and maintain them. The Vamana descriptions are very intriguing when analysed in terms of modern technology...but so are Jules Verne's ideas from the 1800's whose descriptions of modern technology were quite prescient. Perhaps they were following the prime directive and made sure to clean up after themselves. I wonder if MMY ever discussed these fables?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vimanas - Ancient Indian flying machines
Another example http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/2621.html What does a 200 million year old fossil with a shoe print tell us? Yu Wenlong, Ed., PureInsight.org 6/16/2005 A recent exhibit of a collection of prehistoric fossils at the Biology and Geography Research Institute of the Science Academy of China has attracted a lot of attention. The collection belongs to a retired schoolteacher in Urumqi, Xijiang Province, China who has been collecting fossils for 30 years. One particular fossil dated 200 million years ago has a shoe print on it. The schoolteacher discovered the fossil on Red Mountain in Urumqi City in 1997. The shoe print is on a slate rock and measures approximately 10 inches. It is clearly a shoe print. On the heel portion of the shoe print, there is a prehistoric codfish fossil about five inches long. The retired schoolteacher determined that it was a left shoe print based on the distribution of its weight on the slate rock. Scientists determined the age of the prehistoric codfish fossil to be 200 millions years of age. This means that men wore shoes at least 200 million years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Seems like they would have found metal pieces or remnants of crafts built 3000 to 5000 years ago by now. Or at least they would have found their version of the Lockheed Skunk Works as it would have required huge factories to build and maintain them. The Vamana descriptions are very intriguing when analysed in terms of modern technology...but so are Jules Verne's ideas from the 1800's whose descriptions of modern technology were quite prescient. Perhaps they were following the prime directive and made sure to clean up after themselves. I wonder if MMY ever discussed these fables?
[FairfieldLife] ONE ISSUE
FORGET ABOUT Corporate greed Foreign Wars Financial fraud Poverty Unsafe medicine Government food pyramids Representatives not in the social security system. ONE THING AND ONLY ONE THING WILL SOLVE ALL THESE ISSUES Stop the politicians from getting money. They represent their donors not you. Their donors pay for TV spots and ads. An honest poor man cannot get on the ballot. NO MONEY FOR POLITICIANS Government should give a fixed rate to all candidates who get a certain number of supporters. Then they cannot spend one penny more, not even their own money. Give a poor person, with a beneficial approach the opportunity to be heard and elected. That's democracy not filtered news paid for like the politicians. This one thing would stop wars, (military industrial) medical abuses (drug companies) foreign interest lobby's, bankers influence, unregulated financial markets, and on and on. Politicians would be forced to do the will of the people not the will of their financial donors. Demand this, you the people. Don't let the powerful rich divert you into a myriad of issues. THERE IS ONLY ONE ISSUE. The one you'll never hear about on TV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
The wall street occupancy group is too scattered in their goals. THERE SHOULD BE ONE GOAL WHICH WILL SOLVE ALL THE OTHER GOALS Stop politicians from getting any money for campaigns. All candidates who garner a certain number of backers should get a flat rate sum from the government for their total campaign expense. They should not be allowed to spend a penny more, not even their own money. NO SPECIAL INTEREST WHO PAY, NO OTHER BENEFITS GIVEN BY LOBBY GROUPS, NO RICH MANS CLUB... NONE. This one thing would stop wars, (military industrial) drug abuses (drug companies) foreign interest lobby's, bankers influence, and on and on. A poor man with good policies would have an equal playing field with the rich. There isn't one issue that's being raised that this wouldn't solve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Posted on September 30, 2011 http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ by NYCGA http://nycga.cc/author/admin/ This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on september 29, 2011 http://nycga.cc/?p=777#declaration _ As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers' healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face,
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Lasher Post 290303
Just a range of the different views in Christianity, even those branches that have nearly the same beliefs, neither what would usually be considered fundamentalist, but with very different spins even in their monastic traditions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Was this post quoting an Orthodox monk just for our general info or did you have a question/consideration about his statement and view? I would like to know before I spend time discussing and commenting on it. If it is just general information then it is probably not significant to most people here, but that said, it was representative of that type of monastic outlook. What do you say?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful Prayer (what the current Roman Catholic Popes says re. TM)
In the following excerpts it is clear that the now pope Benedict and his predecessor were not instructing Catholics not to use Eastern forms of meditation but rather stating the proper way to use them consistent with the teachings of the Church. For example: 1 As a psycho-physical preparation for a truly Christian contemplation 2 The majority of the great religions sought union with God in prayer and pointed out ways to achieve it. The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. 3 The spiritual authors have adopted those elements which make recollection in prayer easier, at the same time recognizing their relative value: they are useful if reformulated in accordance with the aim of Christian prayer. 4 Genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, can constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures. EXCERPTS FROM: LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON SOME ASPECTS OF CHRISTIAN MEDITATION Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith REFERENCE SECTION 12 Some use eastern methods solely as a psycho-physical preparation for a truly Christian contemplation; REFERENCE SECTION 16 The majority of the great religions which have sought union with God in prayer have also pointed out ways to achieve it. Just as the Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions, neither should these ways be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian. On the contrary, one can take from them what is useful so long as the Christian conception of prayer, its logic and requirements are never obscured. REFERENCE SECTION 26 The spiritual authors have adopted those elements which make recollection in prayer easier, at the same time recognizing their relative value: they are useful if reformulated in accordance with the aim of Christian prayer. For example, the Christian fast signifies, above all, an exercise of penitence and sacrifice; but, already for the Fathers, it also had the aim of rendering man more open to the encounter with God and making a Christian more capable of self-dominion and at the same time more attentive to those in need. REFERENCE SECTION 28 That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures. REFERENCE SECTION 31 The Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II, in an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, gave his approval to this letter, drawn up in a plenary session of this Congregation, and ordered its publication. At Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, October 15, 1989, the Feast of Saint Teresa of Jesus. Joseph Card. Ratzinger Prefect Endnotes 1. The expression eastern methods is used to refer to methods which are inspired by Hinduism and Buddhism, such as Zen, Transcendental Meditation or Yoga. Thus it indicates methods of meditation of the non-Christian Far East which today are not infrequently adopted by some Christians also in their meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: You see what TM did to Basil Pennington? It destroyed the integrity experientially of his Catholicism. Basil's own experience of TM determined the perspective he articulates here. Such a perspective endorses the universal truth of all religions, because what Pennington is describing is what happens when you pray to a Hindu deity. His adherence to the strictly Catholic vision of creation was fatally sabotaged by TM. Saint Francis Xavier [missionary to India] winced when he read this [what you quote from Pennington] from his place in heaven. But he understood: after all, what can one expect when the Holy Ghost abandons his Church? Basil had no chance once he entered that Puja room. Thomas Keating, if I remember correctly, wrote in a newspaper about Maharishi when Maharishi was giving his course at Estes Park. He referred to Maharishi as the Pope of the Transcendental Meditation Movement. There's no guarding yourself against the Eastern gods after the sixtiesthat is, once you take the plunge. first psychedelically, then transcendentally (via TM), reinforced by opening oneself to the majesty of the presence of Maharishi. The most charismatic human being of my lifetimeby far. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: This is what Fr. Basil Pennington said about TM Basil Pennington, the American Cistercian monk and theologian states: `The Christian who takes up TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful Prayer (a Christian Orthodox point of view)
his place in heaven. But he understood: after all, what can one expect when the Holy Ghost abandons his Church? Basil had no chance once he entered that Puja room. Thomas Keating, if I remember correctly, wrote in a newspaper about Maharishi when Maharishi was giving his course at Estes Park. He referred to Maharishi as the Pope of the Transcendental Meditation Movement. There's no guarding yourself against the Eastern gods after the sixtiesthat is, once you take the plunge. first psychedelically, then transcendentally (via TM), reinforced by opening oneself to the majesty of the presence of Maharishi. The most charismatic human being of my lifetimeby far. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: This is what Fr. Basil Pennington said about TM Basil Pennington, the American Cistercian monk and theologian states: `The Christian who takes up TM, if his vision and motivation are enlivened by his faith, realizes by this faith that he is entering upon a way of very pure prayer. He is leaving all behind, all his thoughts, feelings, desires, in order to enter into God. Even if in a particular instance he does not actually transcend and enter into the fourth state of consciousness, his motivation, his outreach toward God is still there as a very real prayer . . . If he does transcend, and this will commonly be the case, he enters into a very restful and beautiful state of contemplation, of contemplative union with God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: The Roman Catholic lineage is not dead because it produced Thomas Merton. However, much of it remain catatonic ... a mere semblance of its former life. If you broaden your field you'll find amazing riches beyond mere thinking. One excellent place to start is The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church by Vladimir Lossky. It presents much of the original view of the tradition before it was severed by the mutual anathemas of the 11th Century Hierarchs. Worth reading is Centering Prayer by Fr. Basil Pennington, who also learned TM. The works of Trappist Abbot Thomas Keating best explain its traditional basis. Here is a summary about the essence of contemplative prayer from Fr. Keating: Invitation to Love Keating first discusses what contemplative prayer is not. It is not a technique to achieve bliss, nor is it one of the charismatic gifts enumerated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12. In particular, it is not the same thing as the gift of resting in the Spirit. These gifts are given for the benefit of the local Christian community and are an invitation to the spiritual journey rather than evidence that the individual has spiritually arrived. Contemplative prayer also is not a psychic or para-psychological phenomenon. Though these phenomena may indeed signal a transition from mental egoic to intuitive consciousness, this only means access to new energy, not freedom from the false self. The essence of contemplative prayer is not the experience of mystical phenomena, which, like the charismatic gifts, are probably also meant to encourage the Christian people in times of difficulty such as war, disaster, and persecution. The essence of contemplative prayer is not the way of external or internal phenomena, but the way of pure faith. This is the narrow door that leads to life. Our experience, what we feel, is not the most important part. Like the two nuns whose stories Keating briefly retells, we may arrive at transforming union either with or without exuberant mystical experiences. St. John of the Cross said that contemplative prayer is a ray of darkness. The darkness of faith is the evidence of things not seen; and the way of pure faith is to persevere in contemplative practice without worrying about where we are on the journey, and without comparing ourselves with others or judging others' gifts as better than ours. It is commitment to the journey and faithful practice rather than spiritual experiences that lead to the transforming union. Though we cannot perceive it through our natural senses, the divine light of faith is totally available in the degree that we consent and surrender ourselves to its presence and action within us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Looks like I've got some reading to do, emptybill. Thanks for the sources. Why can't everyone just agree with me: My theory is so damn reasonable and commonsensical. No? No, I knew I was in for it in posting that response to what, all things considered, *is* a beautiful prayer. (If I had seen in the mid-seventies, I would have memorized it right then and there.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill
[FairfieldLife] Beautiful Prayer
I came across this prayer which the author says before their program. Kind of puts things in a different perspective for me. Dear God Please accept my practice of the TM and TM-Sidhis program, as an expression of my intention and willingness to come before you just as I am, without thoughts, feelings, images or other distractions which could impede my awareness of your presence. Please guide me into a state of openness to your presence and action within me. Let my practice integrate the state of openness into my daily thoughts and actions, so that I may be in a state of prayer continuously. Thank you for your blessings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful Prayer
Doesn't sound like anything different than TM with a prayer before it. Centering prayer though outwardly similar and probably with aspects from TM is an entirely different approach. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This sounds like the contemplative prayer technique used in Centering Prayer. This technique works but it is prayer based - i.e. offering up the field of experience to God. Hard core Catholic fideists (This Rock magazine) call Centering Prayer a TM sibling and straightforward Hinduism. They consequently condemn it and TM. Read it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: I came across this prayer which the author says before their program. Kind of puts things in a different perspective for me. Dear God Please accept my practice of the TM and TM-Sidhis program, as an expression of my intention and willingness to come before you just as I am, without thoughts, feelings, images or other distractions which could impede my awareness of your presence. Please guide me into a state of openness to your presence and action within me. Let my practice integrate the state of openness into my daily thoughts and actions, so that I may be in a state of prayer continuously. Thank you for your blessings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful Prayer
Implicit in the prayer is the desire to connect with someone other it seems to be moving beyond the experience of the unconditioned individual self (which of course since there is no content is not really an experience but a natural state of rest'or witness)to call upon the ultimate reality, which the prayer and certainly St Theresa experience as personal, since person-ness would be part of the infinity of the One who is being called, since by definition it includes all Reality. In this context the TM is being used as a means to, in effect, transcend transcending, through the action of the Other, or if I'm understanding the way in which many are referring to as enlightenment, to transcend enlightenment and seek relationship to the Other. This of course by this definition has to come from the action of the Other as is implicit in the above and is certainly how St Theresa understood it, although her methods of opening were probably different. Interestingly in this philosophy enlightenment would not be required for the Other to make contact, but it would certainly make it easier in my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Re: Beautiful Prayer This prayer demonstrates the utter sincerity of the person who composed it. As well it demonstrates the extreme beauty and power of the experiential context of TM and the TM-Sidhis program. And there is the real sense of a prayer being addressed to a Personal God, not just the Absolute (or, as Maharishi calls it in The Science of Being and The Art of Living: the Impersonal God). In my estimation there could not be a more apt and relevant prayer. The only question that comes in is: does the bliss of TM and the TM-Sidhis program constitute the same bliss that St Teresa of Avila experienced when her heart was pierced with love. I have come to the strange and unprovable conclusion that, while TM and the TM-Sidhis program can produce plenty of the ecstasy and sense of inner gratitude that is implied by the person who created this prayer, that ecstasy and gratitude comes about from a very different and ultimately alien source than what engendered this experience inside St Teresa. Her experience is no longer available to us (since the death of the supernatural reality of the Roman Catholic Church), and so, anything which would provide some imitation of that experience (such as TM and the TM-Sidhis program) must perforce not be essentially supernatural. It must be something else. (Even though we are convinced, as I certainly was, it *is* the same.] My prayer became quite the opposite of this: as in: Save me from my experience of Unity Consciousness. And: Let me be entirely free of all the effects of having done TM and TM-Sidhis program. The answer to my prayer is being slowly, painfully granted to me. But again: this prayer (below) is one of the best things to come out of TM. And all that I can said against it is nugatory. The prayer as I read it, then, only goes to show that, in our lifetime at least, there has never been anything as convincing and powerful as TM and the TM-Sidhis program. I defy one person to tell me that, comparatively, they have received a spiritual experience from some other tradition than Maharishi's which exceeded their TM experience in terms of its depth and subtlety. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Doesn't sound like anything different than TM with a prayer before it. Centering prayer though outwardly similar and probably with aspects from TM is an entirely different approach. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This sounds like the contemplative prayer technique used in Centering Prayer. This technique works but it is prayer based - i.e. offering up the field of experience to God. Hard core Catholic fideists (This Rock magazine) call Centering Prayer a TM sibling and straightforward Hinduism. They consequently condemn it and TM. Read it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: I came across this prayer which the author says before their program. Kind of puts things in a different perspective for me. Dear God Please accept my practice of the TM and TM-Sidhis program, as an expression of my intention and willingness to come before you just as I am, without thoughts, feelings, images or other distractions which could impede my awareness of your presence. Please guide me into a state of openness to your presence and action within me. Let my practice integrate the state of openness into my daily thoughts and actions, so that I may be in a state of prayer continuously. Thank you for your blessings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful Prayer
This is what Fr. Basil Pennington said about TM Basil Pennington, the American Cistercian monk and theologian states: `The Christian who takes up TM, if his vision and motivation are enlivened by his faith, realizes by this faith that he is entering upon a way of very pure prayer. He is leaving all behind, all his thoughts, feelings, desires, in order to enter into God. Even if in a particular instance he does not actually transcend and enter into the fourth state of consciousness, his motivation, his outreach toward God is still there as a very real prayer . . . If he does transcend, and this will commonly be the case, he enters into a very restful and beautiful state of contemplation, of contemplative union with God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: The Roman Catholic lineage is not dead because it produced Thomas Merton. However, much of it remain catatonic ... a mere semblance of its former life. If you broaden your field you'll find amazing riches beyond mere thinking. One excellent place to start is The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church by Vladimir Lossky. It presents much of the original view of the tradition before it was severed by the mutual anathemas of the 11th Century Hierarchs. Worth reading is Centering Prayer by Fr. Basil Pennington, who also learned TM. The works of Trappist Abbot Thomas Keating best explain its traditional basis. Here is a summary about the essence of contemplative prayer from Fr. Keating: Invitation to Love Keating first discusses what contemplative prayer is not. It is not a technique to achieve bliss, nor is it one of the charismatic gifts enumerated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12. In particular, it is not the same thing as the gift of resting in the Spirit. These gifts are given for the benefit of the local Christian community and are an invitation to the spiritual journey rather than evidence that the individual has spiritually arrived. Contemplative prayer also is not a psychic or para-psychological phenomenon. Though these phenomena may indeed signal a transition from mental egoic to intuitive consciousness, this only means access to new energy, not freedom from the false self. The essence of contemplative prayer is not the experience of mystical phenomena, which, like the charismatic gifts, are probably also meant to encourage the Christian people in times of difficulty such as war, disaster, and persecution. The essence of contemplative prayer is not the way of external or internal phenomena, but the way of pure faith. This is the narrow door that leads to life. Our experience, what we feel, is not the most important part. Like the two nuns whose stories Keating briefly retells, we may arrive at transforming union either with or without exuberant mystical experiences. St. John of the Cross said that contemplative prayer is a ray of darkness. The darkness of faith is the evidence of things not seen; and the way of pure faith is to persevere in contemplative practice without worrying about where we are on the journey, and without comparing ourselves with others or judging others' gifts as better than ours. It is commitment to the journey and faithful practice rather than spiritual experiences that lead to the transforming union. Though we cannot perceive it through our natural senses, the divine light of faith is totally available in the degree that we consent and surrender ourselves to its presence and action within us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Looks like I've got some reading to do, emptybill. Thanks for the sources. Why can't everyone just agree with me: My theory is so damn reasonable and commonsensical. No? No, I knew I was in for it in posting that response to what, all things considered, *is* a beautiful prayer. (If I had seen in the mid-seventies, I would have memorized it right then and there.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Robin You theological knowledge appears quite restricted, as do your evaluations. Haven't you ever read St. Dionysius Areopagite? What about the Skemmata of Evagius? St. Maximus the Confessor? St. Gregory Palamas? St. Symeon the New Theologian?
[FairfieldLife] IN REMEMBERANCE
In remembering the dead of 911 also remember the dead killed by Israel June 8, 1967: The USS Liberty was an American intelligence gathering ship. On June 8, 1967, during the fourth day of the third Arab-Israeli War, the Liberty was steaming in international waters in the Mediterranean, 60 miles off the coast of Egypt. It flew the American flag. It had clear, English markings on its hull (GTR-5). It was a bright, sunny day that posed no visibility problems. At 2 p.m., the ship is attacked by air and sea. Out of a crew of 294 officers and men, 34 are killed, 73 are wounded, and the ship sustains $40 million in damages. The ship never sailed again. It was sold as scrap in 1970 for $102,000. Israel claimed it made a mistake. The Johnson administration officially took Israel at its words, although Dean Rusk, secretary of state at the time, said the attack was quite literally incomprehensible given repeated Israeli reconnaissance flights before the attack and said that at a minimum, the attack must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life. Rusk's words were unheeded, and the USS Liberty's surviving crew members forbidden from discussing the attack publicly. Subsequent research undermines Israeli claims that the attack was an accident. A reconnaissance flights by the Israeli air force at 6 a.m. that morning reported seeing a US Navy cargo type ship outside Israeli radar range. Throughout the remainder of the day prior to the attack, a detailed, well-documented 2005 report to the Secretary of the U.S. Army by Report is filed by the USS Liberty Veterans Association noted, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft regularly flew out to USS Liberty's position and orbited the ship before returning to their bases in Israel. A total of no fewer than eight such flights were made.
[FairfieldLife] SOILENT GREEN
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/articles/193371/20110805/china-dead-baby-pill-stamina-booster-cannibal-placenta.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation
Like Mother Meera both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches have a long tradition of transcending on the name Jesus below is from the catechism of the Roman Catholic church. CCC 2666 But the one name that contains everything is the one that the Son of God received in his incarnation: JESUS. The divine name may not be spoken by human lips, but by assuming our humanity The Word of God hands it over to us and we can invoke it: Jesus, YHWH saves. The name Jesus contains all: God and man and the whole economy of creation and salvation. To pray Jesus is to invoke him and to call him within us. His name is the only one that contains the presence it signifies. Jesus is the Risen One, and whoever invokes the name of Jesus is welcoming the Son of God who loved him and who gave himself up for him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi
[FairfieldLife] maskedzebra
Check out the Eastern Orthodox Church On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:36 PM, maskedzebra wrote: Dear Buck, Regrettably I cannot offer a substitute for TM (and Maharishi). For me, it was either TM or nothing (as a method of acquiring an objective religious experience: i.e. to know what is reality). Same goes for Maharishi. It was him as the would-be Christ, or it was no one. Now I was absolutely dependent upon TM (and, in a certain classic disciple-to-master sense, Maharishi: he was always my beacon, my ideal). I could not conceive of getting through one morning of my life without meditating. Then came Unity; I didn't really have to meditate after thatbut I still did. But just to feel good, not to prepare myself for activity. Now it's a complicated story, but I determined that my Enlightenment was a lieNot that I was *not* enlightened. I was. But this kind of 'state of consciousness' is not natural, and is not DNA or otherwise intended. We can (I proved this for myself) 'enter into' Unity Consciousness and experience our actions as originating in some intelligence outside of ourselves and seemingly intimately connected to what is behind the universe itself. This, plus apprehending that one is unified with the cosmos. Unity is everything Maharishi said it is. And the Science of Being and the Art of Living is all about Unity Consciousness. But this too is a lie. If Unity Consciousness is not true (false to reality as reality conceived of in terms of what God has put there), then the experience of having one's actions transformed by the context of UC is also a lie. It happens and it is convincing: after all the most sophisticated of initiatorssome with direct connections to MMYcame to utterly believe in my Enlightenmentfor ten years. But providence would have it that I came into contact with another form of truth (Thomas Aquinas) which contradicted my TM experiences, my Enlightenment, Maharishi, and Maharishi's Teachings. I knew that I had been deceived, but this deception had been perpetrated upon me by forces, intelligences, more powerful and knowing than I could ever be. These were the Vedic gods, the devas (and I include my mantras in this too: these were living invisible beingswhat I now believe to be fallen angels; on my Two Week Extension there was an initiator there (I think April 1975) who had his mantra appear to him and speak to him: he related this experience to Maharishi and all of us who had just completed our ATR; Maharishi endorsed his experienceand he made a believer out of all of us who were present: hundreds of initiators). Now it took me nearly 24 years to get out of Unity Consciousness. I became enlightened in September 1976; I became convinced my enlightenment was a form of subtle madness near the beginning of 1987. This year (2011) I am able to experience that most of the dynamic causality of my enlightenment has been eliminated from my life, and from my consciousness. But barring a miracle, I will enter my death experience with the effects of TM, Maharishi, and my Unity Consciousness, still influencing my physiology, including all its functions. I have determined there is no source of spiritual truth out there anymore. There once *was* (and I have written about this in previous posts) and that was the Roman Catholic Church. But in some mind-breaking mystery, God seems to have withdrawn from his Church, and therefore this supernatural institution which he set up to organize his revelations [arising out of the Incarnation] and to teach the supernatural truths necessary for the salvation of the soul can no longer deliver up any evidence of the living presence of the Holy Trinity. Once the Roman Catholic Church dies, there can be no source of truth faithful to the Creator. And I believe this is the case at the present moment in time-space-causation. The only source of spiritual truth or wisdom or even grace comes out of this experience and understanding. Therefore this is all that I can offer: the conviction, and perhaps the argument, that TM and Maharishi are metaphysical false, and that at the present time *there is no way to know God* or to make contact with Truth. This is the only truth I know. Although there is more to it than this, but this is all that it is prudent for me to say.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals TRUTH
For me, the only truth that's relevant is my own experience. Having never met Maharishi, nor had any particular desire to one way or the other, the techniques he brought out, at least in my life, are phenomenal. That's all that matters to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Ah, yes, first the easy way out. Thank you, Ravi, for your well wishes on the sandals, but let's go into epistemology. And, of course, Robin does so eloquently in a subsequent response, which beautifully exemplifies the not so easy way out and will not be as easy for me to reply to. It's all Mark. None of it could be MMY. Mark must be an imbecile not to see this. (Should I even reply to this email? Let's see if it might be fruitful...) In order to make it fruitful, I guess I have to bring up spiritual maturity again, previously alluded to as developed being. I believe in discernment. I believe that, with true, sincere discernment, one can more and more approach an objective appreciation of the truth. And I know, quite directly, that using real discernment to winnow judgement and projection from reality ain't easy. I also believe in what Robin called (will call) meta-psychological effect, the profound resonance and repercussions that can ensue when our highly developed inner truth meter, if we have the spiritual maturity to have developed one, encounters a deeper truth than we have yet allowed ourselves to assimilate. So, just as an example, if I say M slept with women and got sexually frustrated when he couldn't get any, what kind of statement is this? Is it purely my projection? Is it a moral judgement? Is it objective? Is it subjective? Is it true? Is it false? Is it cavil? Will I be reborn a donkey for saying it? Only discernment can cut through it all if one really wants the truth. Of course it's not necessary to really want the truth. I believe that most people don't. Why did so many skin boys get disillusioned? Because, as Robin says, the images that forced themselves upon us forced us to revise our estimation of the man. Bevan never really became skin boy. He always wanted to, but was spared that. Most of the skin boys got close enough to the man to see his underbelly. And it wasn't as pretty as we all thought it was. So, yes, my statement above is either true or false. I leave that for each to decide for yourselves. Is it purely my projection? I, obviously, don't believe so. For me, there is such overwhelming evidence, that, as I said, I believe it simply to be true. Is it moral judgement? This gets trickier. Can I make the above statement with no moral judgement? I believe that would be the sign of true spiritual maturity. Have I attained that? Let's say I'm still working on it. Is it subjective, objective? For me, both. Is it cavil? I would say that depends on one's real motivation, and who can know another's? I came to the decision, long ago, that, in the case of MMY, it really would be liberating for many people to know God's simple truth, the actual reality of what occurred. Cavil would come from hurt, smallness, venality, self-loathing, etc., etc., etc. Can I say that I have eliminated all elements of cavil from everything I say about him? Let's say that's something else I'm still working on. Will I be reborn a donkey for saying it? Perhaps, I had an experience with M about just that at the San Diego Zoo. Maybe I'll get to recount that sometime. But, for me, the truth became more important than my next life. If that's what's meant to be, so be it. We all must take the consequences of everything we do, no? So, enough of this for now and the future, if it's fruitful for one person, it's worth it. If not, forgive my indulgence. m On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: As much as I would love to see Mark getting the max $ for M's sandals, I would certainly have to agree with Ted. Mark seems pretty one-dimensional. With my limited experiences I can just can't comprehend the things Mark says about M unless he was acting out against M when his ego was hurt or he is just so plain stupid that he doesn't understand basic spiritual principles. Reveling in paradoxes *doesn't * mean moral judgement of others. Reveling in paradoxes is a highly internal experience, the paradoxes of love and hate and all the other conflicting emotions seen as a pure witness. Compare Mark's moral judgement of Judith as wonderful, honest person and then M as conflicting, bewildering array of emotions. With my limited Unity experiences I just can't see how I will ever be sexually frustrated, I was before not anymore. Sure I would love to have a partner, to have sex but I have been single since last year and I am not old, like the old farts here on FFL, there are sexual thoughts similar to other
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
It's the same exact evil. It's just that the Fascists have become more subtle about how they do it. Many right wing Republicans are still linked to the Nazis of WW2. Prescott Bush was almost charged with treason for dealing with Hitler during the war, but his connections quashed it. The eugenics program is alive and well and just like Hitler they want to eliminate the non producers from society. Greed and lust for power has always been at the root of it.No they aren't rounding them up in the street, too visible. They're just feeding them poison and cutting off health care to eliminate millions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: What I'm saying, and I fully understand what satire and irony are, is that this is too serious a situation to deal with subtly or through sarcasm. The point I was trying to make is not a matter of you doing my homework asking you (Judy) to write a satire on the holocaust, but to demonstrate that with such a serious threat to millions neither you nor most people would be willing to approach the holocaust in that manner. You're quite right, I wouldn't. But there's a significant difference between allowing people to die for lack of health care, and deliberately rounding them up and gassing them to death. They're still just as dead, but the *malice* involved is vastly greater with the Holocaust. You can't really satirize that degree of malice the way you can ignorance, greed, and lack of empathy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Nobody is making light of or trivializing the issue in question. That's not what satire does--quite the opposite. Maybe this will help: satire is like mockery. Everett is *mocking* those who think it's a good idea to cut Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security, pointing out that they're stupid and cruel and insensitive and greedy. He's being sarcastic when he praises the idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: I'm not stupid you arrogant * It's just that making light or trivializing a potential genocide is what I object to. Don't bother responding if you're to stupid to get my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Judy, Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think this literary form is being used, not being an English scholar myself. No, I'm not going to do your homework for you. There's no need to be an English scholar to understand what satire is. Did you read the Wikipedia entry I linked to on A Modest Proposal? You might also read Wikipedia's entry on satire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Take a look at both of these, then if you still have questions, get back to me, OK? The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due to this movement by some Republicans could easily result in many more than 6 million deaths. Right. That's what the writer was pointing out. He thinks that's a terrible idea. If you understand that he's NOT in favor of cutting Medicaid and Medicare and read his piece with that in mind, I think you'll quickly recognize what satire is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Phone
They're in Hawaii Cliff DeVries at 808 947-2266 would know their number. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Thank you, cdb, I would let the Zimmermans know, if I knew how. On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I appreciate your offering them here for the story value. And as disillusioned as I am, the attraction of these sandals is understandable, so you need to cash all the way in for these. I think you should go after the rich guys in Fairfield, the Zimmermans, or whoever else are the names who have the bucks and the belief system. If I had their money I would be all in for some version of the 10- whatever thousand dollar range for these. I would put them in my Stapatya Veda house in a shrine and would appreciate them as the relic they are for the right believer. And every time I had a dinner party with people for whom my chef prepared each meal with the RIGHT churna for their prakriti and the season, they would take a moment to see these sandals under the glass or even hold them if they were soul brothers and sistas. Hold the great Maharishi's sandals just as I did at his feet in India, getting the Vedic buzz of a lifetime. I understand. I really do. I hope you can find the right buyer who will cherish them and can translate that feeling into dead presidents. Good luck! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:17 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Thank you, J, we're pretty much on the same page. I'm not aware of pro-MMY forums. Are there such and what might they be? Mark, I don't know their names. I'm pretty sure there's at least one Yahoo Group. You could try doing a group search for Transcendental Meditation here: http://groups.yahoo.com/ Thanks again, I'll try. Maybe others here will know some names. I used to think that some day there would be a world class auction of M's things, including his Mercedes or whatever car(s) he ended up with, you know, like at Christie's or Sotheby's. Who has custody of his things now? His family. I suppose it's possible they would do an auction someday to raise more money. I don't mean to conjure false hopes, but I'd be astonished if MMY's sandals wouldn't be a very desirable item for a wealthy devotee. But you have to get the word out. You might think about finding out who the wealthy ones are and doing a private snail-mailing. I've begun that via email, but haven't gotten very far with it. I wish you the best of luck. It can't be easy for you to part with those sandals. Thanks, I guess I'm finally ready to. But that thought is fading. And you're right, for me, SS wouldn't be enough to live on even in Costa Rica... On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:50 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Mark Landau wrote: At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my job. I was planning to work into my seventies. My predicament forces me to attempt to sell them. I am hoping that the person they are meant to go to will have the wherewithal and will to honor their value. As 108 for over four years, I spent around $100K working for the movement pretty much seven days a week (when not rounding). As 108s, we weren't paid, paid $1000 a month so as not to be a financial drain on the movement, and paid all our own travel (and sometimes other) expenses. Small amounts will not be considered. Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to the movement. Mark, this sounds familiar. Didn't you try selling them here a few years back? Did you ever try the suggestions about ebay? Sorry to hear you're in such dire circumstances, but I am failing to see what the sale of the sandals, even if they were to bring in, say, $1000, Even if? You have to be kidding. He just said small amounts will not be considered. He wants, and should get, many times $1,000. If I were him, if he hasn't already, I'd check out auction houses that deal in celebrity collectibles. is going to do for you in the long run, If he sells them for what they should bring, he could buy an annuity (unless he has some major expense he needs to pay, like medical bills). not to mention that trying to sell MMY memorabilia on a forum filled with disillusioned former TMers is a serious losing battle. Let's hope he's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled
The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the words modest proposal give it away. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Ever since Swift's essay, modest proposal has been a term that signals satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
Judy, Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think this literary form is being used, not being an English scholar myself. The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due to this movement by some Republicans could easily result in many more than 6 million deaths. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the words modest proposal give it away. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Ever since Swift's essay, modest proposal has been a term that signals satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
I'm not stupid you arrogant * It's just that making light or trivializing a potential genocide is what I object to. Don't bother responding if you're to stupid to get my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Judy, Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think this literary form is being used, not being an English scholar myself. No, I'm not going to do your homework for you. There's no need to be an English scholar to understand what satire is. Did you read the Wikipedia entry I linked to on A Modest Proposal? You might also read Wikipedia's entry on satire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Take a look at both of these, then if you still have questions, get back to me, OK? The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due to this movement by some Republicans could easily result in many more than 6 million deaths. Right. That's what the writer was pointing out. He thinks that's a terrible idea. If you understand that he's NOT in favor of cutting Medicaid and Medicare and read his piece with that in mind, I think you'll quickly recognize what satire is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the words modest proposal give it away. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Ever since Swift's essay, modest proposal has been a term that signals satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
What I'm saying, and I fully understand what satire and irony are, is that this is too serious a situation to deal with subtly or through sarcasm. The point I was trying to make is not a matter of you doing my homework asking you (Judy) to write a satire on the holocaust, but to demonstrate that with such a serious threat to millions neither you nor most people would be willing to approach the holocaust in that manner. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Nobody is making light of or trivializing the issue in question. That's not what satire does--quite the opposite. Maybe this will help: satire is like mockery. Everett is *mocking* those who think it's a good idea to cut Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security, pointing out that they're stupid and cruel and insensitive and greedy. He's being sarcastic when he praises the idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: I'm not stupid you arrogant * It's just that making light or trivializing a potential genocide is what I object to. Don't bother responding if you're to stupid to get my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Judy, Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think this literary form is being used, not being an English scholar myself. No, I'm not going to do your homework for you. There's no need to be an English scholar to understand what satire is. Did you read the Wikipedia entry I linked to on A Modest Proposal? You might also read Wikipedia's entry on satire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Take a look at both of these, then if you still have questions, get back to me, OK? The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due to this movement by some Republicans could easily result in many more than 6 million deaths. Right. That's what the writer was pointing out. He thinks that's a terrible idea. If you understand that he's NOT in favor of cutting Medicaid and Medicare and read his piece with that in mind, I think you'll quickly recognize what satire is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the words modest proposal give it away. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Ever since Swift's essay, modest proposal has been a term that signals satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
The malice is just as great just under the guise of legitimacy probably for the same reasons greed. The right wing Republicans have a direct link to the Nazis. Look at Prescott Bush's dealing with the third Reich during WW2 (which was quashed) .the same underlying Fascism is alive and well and people better wake up to it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: What I'm saying, and I fully understand what satire and irony are, is that this is too serious a situation to deal with subtly or through sarcasm. The point I was trying to make is not a matter of you doing my homework asking you (Judy) to write a satire on the holocaust, but to demonstrate that with such a serious threat to millions neither you nor most people would be willing to approach the holocaust in that manner. You're quite right, I wouldn't. But there's a significant difference between allowing people to die for lack of health care, and deliberately rounding them up and gassing them to death. They're still just as dead, but the *malice* involved is vastly greater with the Holocaust. You can't really satirize that degree of malice the way you can ignorance, greed, and lack of empathy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Nobody is making light of or trivializing the issue in question. That's not what satire does--quite the opposite. Maybe this will help: satire is like mockery. Everett is *mocking* those who think it's a good idea to cut Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security, pointing out that they're stupid and cruel and insensitive and greedy. He's being sarcastic when he praises the idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: I'm not stupid you arrogant * It's just that making light or trivializing a potential genocide is what I object to. Don't bother responding if you're to stupid to get my point. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Judy, Perhaps you could write an example of a satire about the holocaust so I can have more of an idea of how you think this literary form is being used, not being an English scholar myself. No, I'm not going to do your homework for you. There's no need to be an English scholar to understand what satire is. Did you read the Wikipedia entry I linked to on A Modest Proposal? You might also read Wikipedia's entry on satire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Take a look at both of these, then if you still have questions, get back to me, OK? The number of deaths of the most helpless in society due to this movement by some Republicans could easily result in many more than 6 million deaths. Right. That's what the writer was pointing out. He thinks that's a terrible idea. If you understand that he's NOT in favor of cutting Medicaid and Medicare and read his piece with that in mind, I think you'll quickly recognize what satire is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: The fact is, that elements in the Republican party and indeed Obama are talking about cutting Medicaid and Medicare. If they succeed this will have the actual effect of shorting the lives of the poor, elderly and disabled as quoted in the article, and will indeed lessen the expenses to the government without raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Regardless of the author's intent, which may have admittedly been to raise public ire, what he's said is actually happening. It would be similar to having a satire on the Holocaust which should still raise public indignation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire John...it's absolutely a satire. As feste explained, the words modest proposal give it away. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal Ever since Swift's essay, modest proposal has been
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled Judy
Hissy plus plus still having it --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: What I'm saying, and I fully understand what satire and irony are, is that this is too serious a situation to deal with subtly or through sarcasm. The point I was trying to make is not a matter of you doing my homework asking you (Judy) to write a satire on the holocaust, but to demonstrate that with such a serious threat to millions neither you nor most people would be willing to approach the holocaust in that manner. I think what you are saying is that you had a full blown hissy fit.
[FairfieldLife] Not Satire eliminate the old and disabled
Not only is the Wall Street Journal involved in a wiretapping scandal, but now they have writers suggesting the elimination of the elderly and disabled through cutting their medical insurance. This article was published by Market watch, which is owned by the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Unbelievable!!! This is NOT a satire (read the authors face book) as some claim the time to do something is now. Send copies of this to your congressmen especially Republicans. Send copies to everyone you know to prevent this way of thinking. Remember the main stream media won't publish it, especially fox News which Murdoch owns. Finally someone publicly voiced how the ultra-rightwing of the GOP feels about the elderly and disabled... the least among us! http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-us-could-use-a-strategic-default-2011-07-14 First they came for someone I did not know... then they came for my neighbors... THEN THEY CAME FOR ME. EXCERPT: This is an article by Jeff Reeves for market watch. It shows the mentality of him towards seniors. Word of this and hime should be sent far and widwide and Market Watch should be contacted and all sponsors boycotted. JEFF REEVES Archives | Email alerts July 14, 2011, 12:00 p.m. EDT ROCKVILLE, Md. (Marketwatch) Take Medicare, one of the biggest causes of our current budget trouble. If we slash spending dramatically, we will not only eliminate one of the biggest drains on the U.S. Treasury, but we will also fix the nagging demographic problem caused by the baby boomers living longer and clogging Social Security rolls. Without health care, surely few of our seniors will survive into old age. This will dramatically reduce both future Medicare and Social Security payouts. These socialist programs are part of the problem. It's time to make them part of the solution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best UFO video we've ever seen?
If you look just before the upper object goes off screen you can see as the reflection changes the wings of the plane --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best UFO video we've ever seen? Yes, it's on my list of 10 best videos of UFO's. On the list of the 5 best is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5GPIPONMB8 Here's a closer look video of that one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFraqmkyC5gNR=1
[FairfieldLife] GENOCIDAL EVIL
This is an article by Jeff Reeves for market watch. It shows the mentality of him towards seniors. Word of this and hime should be sent far and widwide and Market Watch should be contacted and all sponsors boycotted. JEFF REEVES Archives | Email alerts July 14, 2011, 12:00 p.m. EDT ROCKVILLE, Md. (MarketWatch) Take Medicare, one of the biggest causes of our current budget trouble. If we slash spending dramatically, we will not only eliminate one of the biggest drains on the U.S. Treasury, but we will also fix the nagging demographic problem caused by the baby boomers living longer and clogging Social Security rolls. Without health care, surely few of our seniors will survive into old age. This will dramatically reduce both future Medicare and Social Security payouts. These socialist programs are part of the problem. It's time to make them part of the solution.
[FairfieldLife] Question for cardemaister
What is the literal translation of Sat Naam ? Would it be the Name of Truth Just Truth Name or what? thanks for your help
[FairfieldLife] Write Your Congressman if you relly want change
These ideas make so much since that I'm urging everyone I know to send it to all their friends and representatives. Power to the people. 1. Rein In The Military Budget: Neither the president's budget or the House CR cuts the overall level of defense spending. In fact, Defense Secretary Robert Gates's request for the Pentagon budget is a whopping $553 billion the largest request ever by the Pentagon and the largest adjusted for inflation since World War II. CAP Senior Fellow Lawrence Korb has laid out $1 trillion in defense reductions that can be made over the next 10 years by phasing out outdated programs and resizing our military. This comes out to roughly $100 billion a year, which is approximately how much funding is being proposed to be cut from the Pell Grant program. 2. Reduce Or Eliminate Subsidies To Big Agribusiness: The federal government paid out a quarter of a trillion dollars in federal farm subsidies between 1995 and 2009. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of these subsidies. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has proposed as a part of her progressive deficit reduction plan a fifty percent cut in federal direct support for agriculture, which would save $7.5 billion in 2015. 3. Reduce Or Eliminate Wasteful Tax Expenditures: The CAP paper Cracking the Code: A Closer Look at Tax Expenditure Spending notes that special credits, deductions, exclusions, exemptions, and preferential tax rates provide more than $1 trillion in subsidies intended to support public objectives, yet are ineffective and should be reduced or eliminated. Eliminating this tax expenditure could save $100 billion, for example. 4. Enact A Financial Transactions Tax: A 0.25 percent tax on trades of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other Wall Street financial instruments would do little to nothing to reduce commerce or productivity but would generate between $50 billion and $150 billion annually, according to a CAP analysis. 5. Empower Medicare To Negotiate For Lower Drug Prices: One of the main drivers of the growing U.S. budget deficit is health care costs. While there are a number of things that can be done to streamline the efficiency of our health care system, like introducing a public option or even moving towards a Medicare-for-all system, one policy option that would be very simple to enact and would not require any sort of increased spending or expansion of government would be to simply allow Medicare to use its bulk purchasing power to negotiate with drugmakers for lower prices. Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) estimates that doing this could save as much as $156 billion over 10 years.
[FairfieldLife] WARNING THE WEBSITE ON HAGELIN CRASHED COMPUTER
THIS SITE WHEN I CLICKED ON IT CAME UP WITH A WARNING FROM MY ANTIVIRIS AND THEN FROZE MY COMPUTER MSG NUMBER 269411
