[FairfieldLife] Re: Petreus Resigns

[marekreavis]

Obama must really hate America, Richard. It's amazing how so many voters keep 
falling for the pretense that he's actually an American and working to make 
things better when it's so obvious that he's pure evil bent on destroying the 
country. Or maybe he's just a stooge puppet of the malevolent Democratic puppet 
masters subverting the will of real Americans.

What do you propose to do about it? Do you think violence is the answer?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> seekliberation:
> > The timing is way too close for me to believe he just 
> > accidentally got caught all of a sudden...
> >
> It's spelled B I N G H A Z I. 
> 
> Obama sacrificed his U.S. Ambassador and covered up the 
> al Qaeda attack on the embassy on 9/11 in order to look
> good and win the re-election.
> 
> Obama made it look like the attack was because of a video, 
> so that he could say al Qaeda has been defeated. 
> 
> If true, this is really outrageous. 
> 
> So, I predict Obama will be prosecuted and impeached 
> within a year over this - it's not going to die just 
> because the MM won't talk about it. 
> 
> Joe Biden will be the President and he will take the U.S. 
> down the rest of the way to defeat.
> 
> Anyone want to place a wager on this? 
> 
> "The two figures most linked to the disaster in Benghazi, 
> Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Petraeus, are 
> gone..."
> 
> Breitbart, November 9, 2012
> http://tinyurl.com/bgtfs37
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Listen to the Inner Prompts from your Guru

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Emily. I hadn't seen it and I didn't know much about Jamie Sterling, 
but what he says is true for me.

I never get tired of looking at waves and watching people surf. Thanks, again.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Marek:  Turns out it was an ad!  At the time, I just clicked on the video 
> at the bottom of the link at the time and thought it pretty amazing that this 
> surfer dude showed up. I tracked the ad down - it's a T-Mobile video ad on 
> life without limits - pretty sweet - you've likely seen it :).   
> 
> http://nearwen.com/2012/11/video-t-mobile-life-without-limits-jamie-sterling-professional-surfer/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 9:48 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Listen to the Inner Prompts from your Guru
> 
> 
> 
> Emily, I don't understand your post (below). I know that Jamie is a pro 
> surfer but I don't know what video you are referencing or what the quote re 
> god relates to. Give me some more information.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > Jamie Sterling.  Marek, this is for you...the video at the end.  "I 
> > leave the rest up to God, to get me through the day."  Is this it?  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: martin.quickman 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 9:01 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Listen to the Inner Prompts from your Guru
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Here is a story from Sri Yogananda that points out why it is important to 
> > listen carefully to the Guru.
> > 
> > http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/a-story-from-sri-yogananda-yogananda/
> >
> 
> 
>   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Listen to the Inner Prompts from your Guru

[marekreavis]

Emily, I don't understand your post (below). I know that Jamie is a pro surfer 
but I don't know what video you are referencing or what the quote re god 
relates to. Give me some more information.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Jamie Sterling.  Marek, this is for you...the video at the end.  "I leave 
> the rest up to God, to get me through the day."  Is this it?  
> 
> 
> 
>  From: martin.quickman 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 9:01 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Listen to the Inner Prompts from your Guru
>  
> 
>   
> Here is a story from Sri Yogananda that points out why it is important to 
> listen carefully to the Guru.
> 
> http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/a-story-from-sri-yogananda-yogananda/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees

[marekreavis]

Mike, so what? So you start or run a business  and some measure of what you 
make is taken from you and redistributed to others. And you don't like that so 
much that you won't do it? No one makes that type of decision. If you don't 
have the desire to run a business making a product or providing a service, then 
someone else who does have the desire, will. Some one else will be willing to 
spend the money and take the risk and accept the tax on all their work because 
even with all that, it's worth it to them to do it.

And if that's too much for you (the rhetorical "you") then you just didn't have 
enough desire to begin with. Butsomeone else does, and someone else will. 
Grousing because others outside your own perceived tribe will be beneficiaries 
to some degree of your labor -- I don't see that as much of a reason to not do 
business. And I don't think that businesses will close, or more importantly, 
never start because people are so vehement against sharing the wealth and 
success of their labors

We are all in this together. We are all of the same species with all the same 
feelings and desires for ourselves and our families. We can extend our feelings 
of affection and trust to other human beings and we won't be hurt by doing 
that. We don't have to be miserly. We can be generous.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Why would anybody take their savings and barrow more to start a business if 
> it weren't going to be profitable? THAT is how wealth is created. Many people 
> spend enormous amounts of money and 60-70- hours a week or more building a 
> business before it ever becomes profitable. They take incredible risks 
> getting started and once they start turning a profit, should they 
> succeed, da gubmint steps in and demands a big cut, not just to run 
> government but to redistribute that wealth especially among those that have 
> no appreciation of how that wealth was created in the first place.
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Emily Reyn 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Wonâ€"So I Fired 22 Employees
>
>    
>  
> Yes, of course, it's all in the service of protecting profits, right?    
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Mike Dixon 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Wonâ€"So I Fired 22 Employees
>
>   
> Nobody *owes* anybody a job. I guess the guy could have risked making his 
> company less profitable, endangering his investment and the jobs of the rest 
> of his employees. Jobs are not charity.
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Emily Reyn 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Wonâ€"So I Fired 22 Employees
>   
>   
> One day later he is worried about his "survival?"  What an idiot.  Just one 
> of the wealthy who has no intention of using his resources to create jobs or 
> care about his employees; he is demonstrating their stunted, fear-based, 
> emotional selves and are reacting completely irrationally.  I expect the 
> Koch Bros' industries to play a similar punishment game.  I'm sure they are 
> worried about their "survival" as well.    
>  
> 
> 
>  From: wgm4u 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:14 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama Wonâ€"So I Fired 22 Employees
>   
>   
> LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) â€" A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees 
> fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama's 
> re-election (and Obamacare).  "David" (he asked to remain anonymous for 
> obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that "elections have 
> consequences" and that "at the end of the day, I need to survive."  Here's an 
> excerpt from the interview. Click the audio tab below to hear even more from 
> this compelling conversation:  "I've done my share of educating my employees. 
> I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I 
> believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did 
> explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I 
> always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that [I] made sure they 
> were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I'm 
> at a point where I'm being forced to have to worry about me
>  and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees. 
>  "I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the 
> regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I'm gonna have to 
> make provisions to make sure I have enough money to cover the payroll taxes, 
> the additional health care I'm gonna have to do, and I explained that to them 
> and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: WE ARE THE GODS NOW - Jason Silva at Sydney Opera House

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Edg. A worthwhile thirty-seven minutes. I particularly appreciated the 
last of his three short videos, the one on awe. That really resonated with me.

Several years back,I returned to the Midwest from California for a couple of 
years to live with and assist my then-elderly parents. One thing I found 
difficult about living there was the absence of awesomeness and grandeur that 
rural California expresses in abundance. Certainly, it's my own limitation, but 
I really had become, and still am, addicted to the feeling of awe. So that 
video really spoke to me. Right on point. 

I won't even get started on the surfing thing.

Thanks again, I'm passing the video on to some friends.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PjpC6GmeLGI#!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The compassionate majesty of crazy people's suitcases

[marekreavis]

What a different mindset, to "put away" a family member and then hide the fact 
from her children. Wow. Mental illness can really destroy families, too, of 
course. The photos of the suitcases and their contents are really affecting and 
reminded me of a similar keepsake.

I keep the files of a client I had a few years back; a young man with very 
serious mental health problems and a very troubled life from start to finish. 
Despite all his issues and problems he was, nonetheless, a compelling 
personality. He was artistic and he drew a lot; his psychosis partially played 
out in complex patterns he would discern in random numbers and events. He died 
as a suicide. He had no family. The files I keep represent the only things he 
left in the world besides pain and trouble.

For many people, life really sucks.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> For some reason this poignant and lovely photo-essay
> really touched me. A photographer records his visual
> and visceral impressions of the suitcases left behind
> by people committed to a mental asylum in New York 
> state between 1910 and 1960. They were committed for
> a number of reasons, including being black and gay. 
> They were allowed to bring with them one suitcase, 
> containing all that they held dear, which in many
> cases they left them behind when they died there. 
> 
> http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/abandoned-suitcases-reveal-private-lives-of-insane-asylum-patients/
> 
> My grandmother, who I never knew, was committed to a 
> Mississippi insane asylum by my maternal grandfather,
> for being "too hard to handle." My mother and her
> brother were told all their lives that she was dead.
> Instead, she was kept in one of those snake pit asylums
> for many years. When their father died, my mother and
> uncle discovered the truth about their mother, and
> found that she was still alive, and still in the snake
> pit. They went there, hired doctors of their own, and
> when those doctors diagnosed her as not only completely
> sane but completely sane all along, had her removed
> from the institution, and took care of her the remaining
> years of her life. I've always been amazingly proud of
> them for doing that.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congrats, Mitt!?

[marekreavis]

Richard, in your opinion of the people who regularly post on FFL, who among 
them is not entirely predictable in what they write, both in content and tone?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Share Long:
> > Something you're quick to criticize the women 
> > of FFL for?!!
> > 
> It's always about Judy with every Barry post, if
> anyone can read between the lines. Barry is so
> predictable.
> 
> Yeah, this has got to be a new low for Barry. He
> won't donate to the New York storm fund, but he 
> has time to post a Judy message and dis the United 
> States. Go figure. 
> 
> This, from a guy who doesn't read Judy's messages, 
> including the ones from the last U.S. election,
> does not live in the U.S., and doesn't even vote 
> in U.S. elections. LoL!
> 
> Some people just feel better when they have someone
> to talk about, I guess. Barry sounds very insecure,
> Share.
> 
> > > Regardless of who wins, both groups of voters are going 
> > > to be upset and may resort to drastic measures as a result 
> > > of the election. If we have anything like 2000, with a 
> > > recount or a tie, it could get really ugly.
> > 
> > It's been really ugly for months. They should stop 
> > calling it an "election" and call it what it is, 
> > "Hate Season." 
> > 
> > In Europe we don't have to put up with this crap.
> > As I've said before, electioneering leading up to
> > a French Presidential election lasts a couple of
> > months, and is mainly civil. Bombarding the public
> > with ads (and thus being able to "buy" an elected
> > office) is illegal, and for whatever reason the
> > people don't tend to use "election season" as an
> > excuse to just vent all their built-up hatreds of
> > the last few years and hurl invective at someone,
> > anyone. 
> > 
> > The only improvement I saw about this years' Hate
> > Season on FFL is that we didn't have to put up 
> > with pseudo-feminists unable to let go of their
> > hatred for Obama for proving that Hilary Clinton
> > wasn't Presidential material. Now THAT was ugly.
> > In this election it seems to have been more about
> > people trying to find creative ways to hide the
> > fact that they really hate Obama because he's black, 
> > or that they really prefer Romney because he seems 
> > to hate women as much as they do. 
> > 
> > All I can say, and would put into the form of a 
> > prayer if I believed that there was anything or
> > anyone to pray to, is "PLEASE God, let it be OVER.
> > PLEASE don't let it be some kind of tie or snafu
> > that causes all of this hate-wallowing to persist
> > past this coming Wednesday."
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Whatever Wednesday

[marekreavis]

Oh, and here's an update on the guy:

http://www.times-standard.com/breakingnews/ci_21896914/humboldt-shark-attack-victim-punched-shark-rode-wave

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Laughinggull108, I try to be prudent and careful. And, amazingly, 
> the young man is listed in fair condition notwithstanding the apparent 
> severity of the wounds.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > Sending out healing thoughts to the victim. And please be careful Marek.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, the original suggestion was, for just one day of the 
> > > week, to post something/anything that wasn't a comment *about* another 
> > > poster, whether positive or negative. 
> > > 
> > > This happened yesterday around noon at one of our regular and favorite 
> > > breaks. I surfed there Saturday, both in the morning and again in the 
> > > afternoon. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21894367/surfer-fair-condition-after-shark-attack-witness-ive
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Whatever Wednesday

[marekreavis]

Thank you, Laughinggull108, I try to be prudent and careful. And, amazingly, 
the young man is listed in fair condition notwithstanding the apparent severity 
of the wounds.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> Sending out healing thoughts to the victim. And please be careful Marek.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, the original suggestion was, for just one day of the 
> > week, to post something/anything that wasn't a comment *about* another 
> > poster, whether positive or negative. 
> > 
> > This happened yesterday around noon at one of our regular and favorite 
> > breaks. I surfed there Saturday, both in the morning and again in the 
> > afternoon. 
> > 
> > http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21894367/surfer-fair-condition-after-shark-attack-witness-ive
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Whatever Wednesday

[marekreavis]

It's true, surfing provides the most extraordinary pay-off, unparalleld in my 
experience. The risk of an attack, though real, is nonetheless, relatively 
small. Here is the list of all shark attacks on the Pacific coast of the U.S. 
since 2000: http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/2000.htm

So, all things considered, the likelihood of it happening to any particular 
surfer isn't great. Not that I don't think of it from time to time, and I was 
bumped once in 2009 at a different surfbreak, but car accidents and lightning 
strikes are more frequent causes of injury and death than shark attacks.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> The possibility of a shark attack adds a hefty element of risk in my view. 
>  Surfing must provide a heck-of-a-payoff.  
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:11 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Whatever Wednesday
>  
> 
>   
> For what it's worth, the original suggestion was, for just one day of the 
> week, to post something/anything that wasn't a comment *about* another 
> poster, whether positive or negative. 
> 
> This happened yesterday around noon at one of our regular and favorite 
> breaks. I surfed there Saturday, both in the morning and again in the 
> afternoon. 
> 
> http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21894367/surfer-fair-condition-after-shark-attack-witness-ive
>

[FairfieldLife] Whatever Wednesday

[marekreavis]

For what it's worth, the original suggestion was, for just one day of the week, 
to post something/anything that wasn't a comment *about* another poster, 
whether positive or negative. 

This happened yesterday around noon at one of our regular and favorite breaks. 
I surfed there Saturday, both in the morning and again in the afternoon. 

http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21894367/surfer-fair-condition-after-shark-attack-witness-ive

[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.

[marekreavis]

Love you, Edg. 

Since you're in Retirementville now, why not come back to the 'Boldt for a 
visit now and then? I've got a spare bedroom for you and the Missus and I'll 
remove all the damp neoprene hanging in the guest bathroom to boot.

Got some big waves this weekend (big in my books, at least) but had a 
hellacious thrashing yesterday afternoon that sent me scurrying, scrambling, 
and spluttering back to the beach to catch my breath and regain my composure. 
Just when I start to feel confident and cocky a big, wet, and repeated, KABOOM! 
is all it takes to reset the meter back to tail-between-the-legs terror.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> X,
> 
> Good sobering words.
> 
> Barry is all too easy to praise.  And that's the rub.  Without his vile 
> snark, I would say he'd be one of the top five writers that I would read here 
> as far as creativity goes.  Introduces tons of new concepts to chew on, comes 
> up with nice writerly phrases, seems to be able to type as fast as Clark 
> Kent, and has a romantic attachment to good heartedness in general.  
> 
> That's the hard part, that he can tease us all with his magnificence and yet 
> undo all his worthy values to us by cutting anyone off at the knees with what 
> seems to be a nonchalant callousness that jackboots the tender feeling levels.
> 
> I suppose, if he can get anyone pissed, he can therefor claim victory in that 
> that anger is a definite proof that the other person is attached to an ego 
> also.  Sorta like Guru Dev rejecting that "guru candidate" who showed anger 
> when Guru Dev questioned him about his use of fire.  Maybe like that, Barry 
> thinks he's someone like the Great Randy going around debunking every poser. 
> 
> As for my own dark well of negativity, yep, it does get projected and I am 
> blind to anything outside of me that these projections cannot cling too like 
> wet pasta thrown at a wall.  I don't see anything except that I do sometimes 
> beat around bushes so much that the bushes finally stand out against the 
> background of all my misses!
> 
> I know my rage, and I'm not all that much bothered by it these days, cuz I 
> have a lifestyle in which it is seldom triggered.  I let it off the leash 
> here -- sorta like a dog park where ya takes yer chances with all the mutts.  
> 
> At least let me claim that, 99% of the time, I'm not processing anger over 
> here in any mindful way.  I'm doing stuff that is entertaining and pleasing 
> all day long over here in retirementville, and I'm good enough at it that I'm 
> not triggering my rage into the manifest.  
> 
> And, ironically, the one GIFT I have given FFL is that I am sometimes honest 
> about the fact that I do have a host of negative dynamics that are not always 
> controlled by me with integrity.
> 
> How is that a gift?  IT PROVES THAT 29 YEARS OF TM didn't surgically remove 
> my spiritual tumor.
> 
> I didn't get fixed.  
> 
> 44,000 hours in the dome.  Didn't get fixed.  
> 
> Loved Maharishi. Didn't get fixed.  
> 
> Sold out my whole life, family, career to "do movement."  Didn't get fixed.  
> 
> Taught 2,000 people to meditate.  Didn't get fixed.  
> 
> I think that's what I have in common with Barry -- nether of us got fixed.
> 
> Nowadays, I see my negativity as the dark side of a yin-yang life, and, hey, 
> if the Zombie Apocalypse does come, why I'll have all the pent up anger I'll 
> need to process that, right?
> 
> Thanks for bonking me, X -- yer a good doer ya is.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Turq,
> > > 
> > > You're a mean and cruel son of obviously-abusive parents. AYour parents 
> > > should be put in prison for the making of you.   
> > > 
> > > Your mind is  aberrant and foul.  Your replies to others are almost 
> > > always intent on hurting the tender feeling level -- therefore: evil by 
> > > even a mundane and non-spiritual consideration.  
> > > 
> > > Seriously, name one person here who would have lunch with you except that 
> > > someone might want to view "a personality not unlike that of  world's 
> > > most aggressive spider."
> > > 
> > > Your hate here is like "Nazi Memorabilia" -- a collectable most vile, 
> > > but, yes, one with a FFL marketin that there are like minds here 
> > > willingly slurping down your conceptual vomit.  
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > 
> > I have never personally met Barry. I have been on the receiving side of his 
> > attention. I think people are getting caught up in their own emotions. When 
> > we see evil, that evil comes from inside us. There indeed may be a real 
> > event out there we would prefer not to happen, which is uncomfortable to 
> > us, or even intolerable to us. A pigeon sitting on a branch next to us, 
> > though, will not see that event the same way. I would have lunch with Barry 
> > (especially if he paid for it).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Helvetia (Switzerland) By Night

[marekreavis]

Robin, neither do I desire to discuss my own failings on this forum, whether 
real, imagined, or contrived.

 ***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > No, Robin, despite your invitation, I have no desire to discuss other's 
> > failings on this forum, whether real, imagined, or contrived.
> 
> Dear Marek,
> 
> You already have, Marek. You have tacitly judged the response of various 
> posters on FFL to BW to be a matter utterly mysterious to you. *That* is a 
> definitive statement which holds within it a judgment of the validity of a 
> response which sees *no* mystery in this phenomenon.
> 
> This response of yours to my post is itself a form of negativity--more 
> irresponsible than the response that various posters have had to Barry 
> Wright--who have been crudely and brutally attacked by him--YOU WOULD NOT 
> ALLOW YOURSELF TO EXPERIENCE THE EFFECT OF THIS INSIDE YOUR SUBJECTIVE 
> UNIVERSE, MAREK.
> 
> Just to clarify: I am saying you are being consciously dishonest in 
> insinuating that your own take on the Barry Wright issue represents some more 
> objective and unbiased point of view (than the point of view of BW's 
> critics). For surely this is what you are attempting to pull off here [see 
> below] by acting as if the whole controversy is being driven by something 
> irrational and unjustifiable. You made a implicit judgement of all those who 
> have been abused by Barry Wright, and who have honestly and from within the 
> very depths of who they are, responded to him with anger, irony, incredulity, 
> satire, sympathy, and strength.
> 
> How can you keep a straight face, Marek, suggesting to all FFL readers that 
> this Barry Wright matter represents something unfathomable and resistant to 
> reason and common sense? This is a lie of your first person ontology which 
> would wish that this not exist. Fine: you dislike controversy, invective, 
> acrimony: I understand that. It goes very much against the disposition of 
> your being.
> 
> But to handle this sorrow and discomfort in the universe by making a judgment 
> about it which would imply there is something truthful in BW's response to 
> you: "They provide a nice break from being pursued by psychopathic 
> stalkers"--and that therefore BW's critics hold an experience about 
> Barry--their reaction to him--which somehow is less truthful than your own, 
> well that is rank dissimulation, albeit motivated by some cosmic desire for 
> Buddhahood peace and oneness.
> 
> The critics of Barry express a feeling and intelligence which makes your post 
> (below)  without any substance--or rather without the substance you would 
> have us believe it contains. It contains nothing but a simple wish that the 
> complexity would just go away. You don't want to deal with it. Fine. But you 
> will not be allowed to get away with telling a big fib in the interests of 
> consoling and flattering your friend Barry Wright.
> 
> Finally: your statement above: "I have no desire to discuss other's failings 
> on this forum, whether real, imagined, or contrived" would have the reader 
> believe you have taken the high moral ground--this is an escape into a false 
> sense of self-righteousness. You are a bullshitter, Marek. Even though, as 
> raunchy said, you contain extraordinary beauty and sensitivity in order to 
> paint that cadaver and perform that religious act of devotion.
> 
> We Canadians have an inferiority complex: I am over-compensating for this, as 
> you can see.
> 
> I like your posts--almost all of them. Not this one, though.
> 
> If I had grown up in Southern California I would undoubtedly be surfing with 
> you. I was, instead, playing hockey at five years old--before we moved to the 
> west coast, where I had to switch sports--and never put my skates on again.
> 
> Have a great Sunday, Marek.
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> MAREK: Dude, your relationships with some folks here has been discussed and
> commented upon endlessly and by lots of people. The whole drama, with your
> participation, seems to be a significant engine of this forum. For some 
> unknown
> and ungodly reason, it is. I don't get it. I don't enjoy it, but it continues
> unabated, irregardless. I just let it lie, for the most part.
> 
> ROBIN: Marek, have a look at these two posts.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/324286
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/324468
> 
> I would suppose, based upon your recent interaction here in FFL, you have some
> kind of friendship

[FairfieldLife] Re: Helvetia (Switzerland) By Night

[marekreavis]

No, Robin, despite your invitation, I have no desire to discuss other's 
failings on this forum, whether real, imagined, or contrived.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> 
> MAREK: Dude, your relationships with some folks here has been discussed and 
> commented upon endlessly and by lots of people.  The whole drama, with your 
> participation, seems to be a significant engine of this forum. For some 
> unknown and ungodly reason, it is. I don't get it. I don't enjoy it, but it 
> continues unabated, irregardless. I just let it lie, for the most part.
> 
> ROBIN: Marek, have a look at these two posts.
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/324286
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/324468
> 
> I would suppose, based upon your recent interaction here in FFL, you have 
> some kind of friendship with or respect for Duveyoung. He addressed BW 
> recently. Did you read that post? [See above] And did you read BW's post this 
> morning about the earthquake off the Queen Charlotte Islands and Hurricane 
> Sandy expected to make land in New Jersey? [See above]
> 
> You say: "I don't get it". Well, I don't get that you don't get it. This is 
> such a load of bullshit, Marek. Your determined loyalty to BW requires that 
> in order for you to avoid the moral and metaphysical dissonance that is 
> caused (inside you) by the reaction people (like the dude Duveyoung) have to 
> BW that you must pretend that this controversy over your friend BW persists 
> "[f]or some unknown and ungodly reason". 
> 
> What an absurd and shameless position to take--although I believe your 
> deepest philosophical commitments require that you stay away from the fray. 
> ["I just let lit lie, for the most part."]
> 
> But for you to imply (I am sure Susan had a raunchy goat of ecstasy when she 
> read what you wrote here) that it is an honest source of perplexity, this 
> business of people's reaction to BW, that is beyond the pale, Markek, And 
> utterly indefensible. Would you ask your friend Duveyoung this same 
> question:" Why did you write that post berating Barry, Duveyoung? I don't 
> understand what your problem is with Barry. Not only this, I am going to 
> express my wonder and dismay that this mysterious phenomenon "continues 
> unabated, irregardless"'.
> 
> And Barry's conjecture about weather being karmic in regard to those two 
> critics==much more honest than you are, by the way, Marek: is that the 
> thinking of someone who goes innocently to the slaughter here on FFL?
> 
> There is quiet murderous violence (with a silencer) you do to the truth here, 
> Marek. And I am calling you on it. Unless you can possibly defend your 
> position--which you cannot.
> 
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A three-minute-plus time lapse video by Alessandro Della Bella (what a 
> > > > beautiful name). Well worth the time.
> > > > 
> > > > http://vimeo.com/52123602
> > > 
> > > Thanks. That provided a nice break from being pursued
> > > by psychopathic stalkers. :-)
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Helvetia (Switzerland) By Night

[marekreavis]

Glad you liked it. I'm a sucker for time lapse and this is one of the nicest 
I've seen, even though it's short. Near the end, when he sustains the star 
trails, and the sky fills with arcs of light? -- that really did something for 
me.

Time lapse always reminds me of a quote from Heinrich Zimmer, Joseph Campbell's 
mentor. I don't remember it exactly, but it goes along the lines of:  If we 
could see with the eyes of nature, we would see the mountains rise and fall 
like waves on the sea.

Dude, your relationships with some folks here has been discussed and commented 
upon endlessly and by lots of people.  The whole drama, with your 
participation, seems to be a significant engine of this forum. For some unknown 
and ungodly reason, it is. I don't get it. I don't enjoy it, but it continues 
unabated, irregardless. I just let it lie, for the most part.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > A three-minute-plus time lapse video by Alessandro Della Bella (what a 
> > beautiful name). Well worth the time.
> > 
> > http://vimeo.com/52123602
> 
> Thanks. That provided a nice break from being pursued
> by psychopathic stalkers. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Helvetia (Switzerland) By Night

[marekreavis]

A three-minute-plus time lapse video by Alessandro Della Bella (what a 
beautiful name). Well worth the time.

http://vimeo.com/52123602

[FairfieldLife] Re: Painting Japa

[marekreavis]

Dude! Excellent. From the mind of Edg.

Yeah, you get the worship thing. All the puja tables and puja rooms I've set up 
over the years were all about the "what you put your attention on grows 
stronger in your life"  - thing. 

And all the deities and gurus that you, I, or we put on our altars are only 
place holders for what attention is and we are are.

Very cool, Edg, doesn't surprise me.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Whoa!  
> 
> I did a paint of Maharishi that took me ONE MILLION BRUSH STROKES.
> 
> It was easy to count them by doing simple math instead of one at a time.  The 
> painting was thousands of squares and each square took me about 20 brush 
> strokes to complete.  
> 
> Not japa by a long shot, but definitely a form of worship for me at that time 
> in my life.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4804426872725&set=a.4804426272710.323561.1357737163&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf
> 
> This painting is owned and displayed in a private home in Fairfield.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > In 2005-2006, during a  period of then waxing engagement  with, and 
> > subscription to, different Hindu beliefs and practices, I undertook a 
> > fairly traditional vrat, or vow, which was to do japa, or repetition of a 
> > chosen mantra, to the tune of 125,000 repetitions.
> > 
> > In my case, it had been suggested to me that I use the Mahamritryunjaya 
> > mantra and I further decided to do three rounds of108 each day until 
> > completion, which ended up taking about a year without breaks. I counted on 
> > beads and three rounds done back-to-back took about an hour and twenty 
> > minutes. Often I'd walk in the redwoods along a 3-mile-or-so loop trail 
> > that took about the same amount of time. A fine combination, if you incline 
> > towards that sort of thing.
> > 
> > However, there was a period of time when, instead of using the beads, I 
> > took a blue oil paint-stained canvas and counted with yellow and red brush 
> > strokes painted over the blue. With each silent repetition of the mantra 
> > I'd scoop a dollop of pigment and drag a small mark down the canvas. I 
> > worked across, from right to left, making small, perpendicular strokes, 
> > selecting either red or yellow by impulse.  
> > 
> > Below is how that turned out.
> > 
> > [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/213kgmb.jpg[/IMG]
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Painting Japa

[marekreavis]

In 2005-2006, during a  period of then waxing engagement  with, and 
subscription to, different Hindu beliefs and practices, I undertook a fairly 
traditional vrat, or vow, which was to do japa, or repetition of a chosen 
mantra, to the tune of 125,000 repetitions.

In my case, it had been suggested to me that I use the Mahamritryunjaya mantra 
and I further decided to do three rounds of108 each day until completion, which 
ended up taking about a year without breaks. I counted on beads and three 
rounds done back-to-back took about an hour and twenty minutes. Often I'd walk 
in the redwoods along a 3-mile-or-so loop trail that took about the same amount 
of time. A fine combination, if you incline towards that sort of thing.

However, there was a period of time when, instead of using the beads, I took a 
blue oil paint-stained canvas and counted with yellow and red brush strokes 
painted over the blue. With each silent repetition of the mantra I'd scoop a 
dollop of pigment and drag a small mark down the canvas. I worked across, from 
right to left, making small, perpendicular strokes, selecting either red or 
yellow by impulse.  

Below is how that turned out.

[IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/213kgmb.jpg[/IMG]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

It's a fine quote, Robin, and I appreciate the sentiments expressed.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> MAREK: Robin, I'm pretty sure that you spend more time thinking than I do. Our
> respective interests appear to be very dissimilar. I immerse myself in the
> natural world as much as I can, where epiphanies and revelations come 
> unmediated
> by thought and conjecture.
> 
> And, as you point out in your last paragraph, you don't require any answers 
> from
> me to keep your wheels spinning.
> 
> ROBIN: Well, we all benefited from your unusual number of posts in the last 
> couple of days. Always intelligent, always shrewd, always interesting--and 
> the painting of the cadaver, quite extraordinary in its depth and power (and 
> your story about how this came about). I think about death a lot, but you got 
> me thinking just like Duveyyoung--and the connection between: Quid est 
> veritas? & Ecce Homo. The Latin quote from Ezekiel was framed inside John 
> Henry's Newman's room at the oratory (after his controversial conversion to 
> Catholicism). Gerard Manley Hopkins came to visit Newman at the oratory in 
> order to discuss the matter of his (Hopkins's) conversion. Here is the 
> context of the letter where the Latin appears [Hopkins to Robert Bridges]:
> 
> "Dr Newman was most kind, I mean in the very best sense, for his manner is 
> not that of solicitous kindness but of genial and almost, so to speak, 
> unserious. And if I may say so, he was so sensible. He asked questions which 
> made it clear for me how to act; I will tell you presently what that is: he 
> made sure I was acting deliberately and wished to hear my arguments; when I 
> had given them and said I cd. see no way out of them, he laughed and said 
> 'Nor can I': and he told me I must come to the church to accept and 
> believe--as I hope I do. He thought there appeared no reason, if it had not 
> been for matters at home of course why I shd not be received at once, but in 
> no way did he urge me on, rather the other way. More than once when I offered 
> to go he was good enough to make me stay talking. Amongst other things he 
> said he always answered those who thought the learned had no excuse in 
> invincible ignorance, that on the contrary they had the excuse the most of 
> all people. It is needless to say he spoke with interest and kindness and 
> appreciation of all that Tractarians reverence. This much pleased me, namely 
> a bird's eye view of Oxford in his room the frame of which he had lettered 
> *Fili hominis, putasne vivent ossa ista? Domini Deus tu nosti*. ["Son of man, 
> doest thou think these bones shall live? [And I answered:] 'O Lord God, Thou 
> knowest."] This speaks for itself. . ."
> 
> I envy your "epiphanies and revelations unmediated by thought and 
> conjecture". I am ordinarily given to long walks--and I have the legacy of my 
> passion for sports when I was in school. But I have gone against the advice 
> of your law school friend--and think I am hearing Mozart for the first time 
> when I read Nagel.
> 
> I write this without any expectation of a response. You have explained 
> yourself--and after all I was able to pursue this matter through different 
> means: raunchy. ;-)
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My last Latin class was in 1967 where I'm certain I had the lowest 
> > > > final grade, and my biblical scholarship is far worse. Ezekiel may be 
> > > > somewhat interesting poetically, but I find little beyond a Monty 
> > > > Pythonesque absurdity anywhere in the bible.
> > >  
> > > My response to that last sentence, Marek, is: do you conceive of ever 
> > > possessing within your personal consciousness a different epistemic 
> > > disposition to believe or disbelieve in the veraciousness of the OT and 
> > > the NT than the one you presently possess? This is a question of 
> > > contemplating what antecedent conditions determined the intrinsic way in 
> > > which your own mind responds to what appears to be the mythopoeic idea of 
> > > Christianity. 
> > > 
> > > Have you ever met a person in your adult life whose personal 
> > > consciousness--and mind--delivers up a point of view about the Bible 
> > > which is antithetical to the "Monty Pythonesque a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

Thanks for the compliment, Raunchydog. And your words in my mouth aren't so far 
off the mark that I feel the need to quibble.

I had a friend in law school, a very bright young woman, and I asked her once 
what her thoughts were regarding god and religion and spirituality in general. 
"I don't go there," she immediately replied. "It's nothing but trouble and 
there isn't an answer." 

The older I get the more that position makes sense to me.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > > My last Latin class was in 1967 where I'm certain I had the lowest final 
> > > grade, and my biblical scholarship is far worse. Ezekiel may be somewhat 
> > > interesting poetically, but I find little beyond a Monty Pythonesque 
> > > absurdity anywhere in the bible.
> >  
> > My response to that last sentence, Marek, is: do you conceive of ever 
> > possessing within your personal consciousness a different epistemic 
> > disposition to believe or disbelieve in the veraciousness of the OT and the 
> > NT than the one you presently possess? This is a question of contemplating 
> > what antecedent conditions determined the intrinsic way in which your own 
> > mind responds to what appears to be the mythopoeic idea of Christianity. 
> > 
> > Have you ever met a person in your adult life whose personal 
> > consciousness--and mind--delivers up a point of view about the Bible which 
> > is antithetical to the "Monty Pythonesque absurdity everywhere in the 
> > bible" [I must assume you are referring to the Old Testament--I mean in the 
> > main]--And that you have some intuition or rationale to explain this? You 
> > would, it seems, in declaring this is your experience, imply the inherent 
> > reasonableness of this point of view--that is, that someone who refuses to 
> > allow the Monty Pythonesque interpretation to control and dominate their 
> > experience is suffering somehow from some fantastical need to avoid reality 
> > [for reality perforce must be the Monty Pythonesque deliverance]. This at 
> > least is what I must take away from the confidence and detachment with 
> > which you make your judgment here known. (I would rate your conversion 
> > potential at a perfect zero.)
> > 
> > I happen to have a theory to account for your experience--*which I happen 
> > to believe is valid*; totally valid--that is, your experience is 
> > *functionally* valid. And what is that theory? That the ontology of the 
> > universe altered just before you and I were born, and that what is true for 
> > Marek in 2012 is not what was true for Thomas Aquinas in 1262. Your belief 
> > in the manifest absurdity of the Bible is a natural response to how much 
> > reality is getting into that book--*now*. But, you see the idiosyncrasy of 
> > my own theory allows me to imagine that if you lived in the 13th Century 
> > your belief in the truth of the Bible would be the mirror opposite of what 
> > it is now. And if Aquinas--the very same person--were our age he would very 
> > likely find himself disposed to look at the Bible the way you look at it 
> > now. Of course I would hope he would have the imagination to at least 
> > wonder: How could I have this experience of the Monty Pythonisque absurdity 
> > of this book when others--more intelligent, more sophisticated, maybe even 
> > more beautiful and sensitive than I am--had a belief in the Bible which 
> > warranted their devoting their lives to its truthfulness. Believing the 
> > salvation of their very soul depended on this judgment.
> > 
> > Again, I return to the question: You are innocently unable to conceive of 
> > having any other experience of the Bible than the one you present have, 
> > which you have told me here. What do you think it is about the personal 
> > consciousness and mind of some other human being--surely you have met such 
> > persons--who, with the same education, intelligence, and sensitivity that 
> > you have, express (seemingly just as sincerely) the contradiction of this 
> > Monty Pythonesque experience? I actually believe your experience is the 
> > more natural one--and to that extent I believe you are at an advantage when 
> > it comes to comparing yourself to a colleague or friend who has some strong 
> > religious belief in Christianity. However, even if his or her belief is 
> > what I would describe as a Ph

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lady with an ermine

[marekreavis]

Lady With Jewels, 1983

http://crestjewel-store.crestjewel.com/product412.html

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> da Vinci, 1490:
> http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/9.jpg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

Robin, I'm pretty sure that you spend more time thinking than I do. Our 
respective interests appear to be very dissimilar. I immerse myself in the 
natural world as much as I can, where epiphanies and revelations come 
unmediated by thought and conjecture.

And, as you point out in your last paragraph, you don't require any answers 
from me to keep your wheels spinning.

***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > My last Latin class was in 1967 where I'm certain I had the lowest final 
> > grade, and my biblical scholarship is far worse. Ezekiel may be somewhat 
> > interesting poetically, but I find little beyond a Monty Pythonesque 
> > absurdity anywhere in the bible.
>  
> My response to that last sentence, Marek, is: do you conceive of ever 
> possessing within your personal consciousness a different epistemic 
> disposition to believe or disbelieve in the veraciousness of the OT and the 
> NT than the one you presently possess? This is a question of contemplating 
> what antecedent conditions determined the intrinsic way in which your own 
> mind responds to what appears to be the mythopoeic idea of Christianity. 
> 
> Have you ever met a person in your adult life whose personal 
> consciousness--and mind--delivers up a point of view about the Bible which is 
> antithetical to the "Monty Pythonesque absurdity everywhere in the bible" [I 
> must assume you are referring to the Old Testament--I mean in the main]--And 
> that you have some intuition or rationale to explain this? You would, it 
> seems, in declaring this is your experience, imply the inherent 
> reasonableness of this point of view--that is, that someone who refuses to 
> allow the Monty Pythonesque interpretation to control and dominate their 
> experience is suffering somehow from some fantastical need to avoid reality 
> [for reality perforce must be the Monty Pythonesque deliverance]. This at 
> least is what I must take away from the confidence and detachment with which 
> you make your judgment here known. (I would rate your conversion potential at 
> a perfect zero.)
> 
> I happen to have a theory to account for your experience--*which I happen to 
> believe is valid*; totally valid--that is, your experience is *functionally* 
> valid. And what is that theory? That the ontology of the universe altered 
> just before you and I were born, and that what is true for Marek in 2012 is 
> not what was true for Thomas Aquinas in 1262. Your belief in the manifest 
> absurdity of the Bible is a natural response to how much reality is getting 
> into that book--*now*. But, you see the idiosyncrasy of my own theory allows 
> me to imagine that if you lived in the 13th Century your belief in the truth 
> of the Bible would be the mirror opposite of what it is now. And if 
> Aquinas--the very same person--were our age he would very likely find himself 
> disposed to look at the Bible the way you look at it now. Of course I would 
> hope he would have the imagination to at least wonder: How could I have this 
> experience of the Monty Pythonisque absurdity of this book when others--more 
> intelligent, more sophisticated, maybe even more beautiful and sensitive than 
> I am--had a belief in the Bible which warranted their devoting their lives to 
> its truthfulness. Believing the salvation of their very soul depended on this 
> judgment.
> 
> Again, I return to the question: You are innocently unable to conceive of 
> having any other experience of the Bible than the one you present have, which 
> you have told me here. What do you think it is about the personal 
> consciousness and mind of some other human being--surely you have met such 
> persons--who, with the same education, intelligence, and sensitivity that you 
> have, express (seemingly just as sincerely) the contradiction of this Monty 
> Pythonesque experience? I actually believe your experience is the more 
> natural one--and to that extent I believe you are at an advantage when it 
> comes to comparing yourself to a colleague or friend who has some strong 
> religious belief in Christianity. However, even if his or her belief is what 
> I would describe as a Phantom Truth Syndrome (because for me the Catholic 
> Church was once the Ark of Salvation--and Saint Francis wiser than you or 
> I)-- there is still the matter of how you account for his or her commitment 
> to the truth of the Bible, a commitment which represents some epistemic 
> tendency which appears to be entirely normal and even existentially 
> valid--for him, for her.
> 
> Have you thought about this question? I am not of course expecting you to 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.

[marekreavis]

By the way, Edg, it's a good post and a beautiful theory. Have you read "The 
Creative Explosion: An Inquiry into the Origins of Art and Religion" by John 
Pfeiffer? He has a fascinating theory re the great cave art of Lascaux, Alta 
Mira, and the others.

And I remember reading recently about Africans who can see with the naked eye 
some stars and planetary alignments that are not observable to most others 
without optical instruments, and can retain and reference those positions 
during daylight hours. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Reposting -- cuz no one understood it -- ON PURPOSE.
> 
> I just tripped over this post again, and fuck if I didn't get pissed yet 
> again at the shits who willfully intended to kill the messenger and ignore 
> the concepts being delivered.  
> 
> To mindfully intend to not understand is EVIL -- an attack on logic itself.  
> And that's what has been done to this topic.
> 
> I have been bashed, besmirched and berated for good reason here, cuz, I have 
> fucked up, but the treatment of this post is obviously, what?, jealousy?  
> 
> Yep, I'm going with jealousy.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > I like the following idea so much I'm copyrighting this piece.  I haven't 
> > been all that scholarly, but I'm convinced I'm being original and that the 
> > below is a new idea.  Er, I hope.  
> > 
> > Copyright Edg Duveyoung 2010
> > 
> > One fact keeps banging on my door.  200,000 years ago, the modern human 
> > brain evolved.  They were as smart as us, and that means 1% of them had 
> > Einstein level acuity...190,000 years before the oldest scriptures.
> > 
> > With no TV et al, what did the ancients have for night time conversations?  
> > 
> > Think about it.
> > 
> > It was the stars.  And for those who would say, "Oh, so they saw some 
> > animals in the sky, no big deal." I would ask, "Do you really think 
> > Einstein would be satisfied with animal tales?"
> > 
> > Do you think anyone could tell Old Albertgrok that a certain star in the 
> > sky caused a certain person's personality to be a certain way?  
> > 
> > Nah, that would be jarring to a modern brain's logic and common sense, and 
> > back then too.
> > 
> > The precision of their measurements as proved by the various astronomical 
> > artifacts they created, is only the BEGINNING of their ken.  
> > 
> > Here's my theory:
> > 
> > They used the stars as their personal diary.
> > 
> > How so?
> > 
> > The cave paintings at Lascaux give a clue.  The configuration of the 
> > animals were PERFECT star charts -- the tips of the bison's horns being 
> > EXACTLY where they should be.  How exact?  If you made the cave's rock 
> > walls transparent, the tips of the bison's horns would be on top of, align 
> > with the bigger-brighter stars, and so too the other key-points of the 
> > cave's artwork would PRECISELY align with the night sky also.
> > 
> > That's a huge intellectual feat, but it's only the beginning. One has to 
> > ask why the geniuses back then went to all that trouble.
> > 
> > To predict the growing season or when the bison herds would return seem to 
> > me to be painfully trivial and not anywhere near the level of importance in 
> > those ancient minds that it would take to motivate the cave paintings which 
> > required a tremendous amount of "recreational time" to be expended.
> > 
> > Note that it would be EASY for even a normally intelligent ancient to say, 
> > "When the sun comes up directly over that mountain top, that's when the 
> > planting season begins."   
> > 
> > There's all the precision one needs.  
> > 
> > One sees the sun coming up every day slightly nudged over a bit, and the 
> > moon as if adds accents to each day's presentation, and then the stars are 
> > the matrix-background against which the sun and moon are compared.  It 
> > didn't take a Stonehenge to know when to plant the seeds.  It didn't take a 
> > cave painting either.
> > 
> > So why did they go to all that trouble?  Stonehenge?  Give me a break -- 
> > that's way too much trouble to tell when to plant a seed.  And, hey, they 
> > didn't even plant seeds until 10,000 years ago, and I'm theorizing on what 
> > the stars meant to them before agriculture.
> > 
> > So, "diary," what can I mean by that?  To me the following concept is big 
> > enough and valuable enough to motivate a cave person to get his tribe to 
> > build Stonehenge.  
> > 
> > First note that the human mind is DNA deep when it comes to projection.  We 
> > simply can see the contents of our mind "out there" in a direct manner.  
> > That's our beauty.we naturally see ourselves everywhere.
> > 
> > Consider this -- if you're my age, you know where you were when JFK was 
> > shot, or when Neil planted his boot on the moon, or whatever.  Do you see 
> > that you've got a dog-eared page in your own personal diary via that 
> > notation?  
> > 
> > A singularly prec

[FairfieldLife] Re: A new theory about how astronomy was used by the ancients.

[marekreavis]

Edg, I don't remember ever seeing this before. When did you post it?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Reposting -- cuz no one understood it -- ON PURPOSE.
> 
> I just tripped over this post again, and fuck if I didn't get pissed yet 
> again at the shits who willfully intended to kill the messenger and ignore 
> the concepts being delivered.  
> 
> To mindfully intend to not understand is EVIL -- an attack on logic itself.  
> And that's what has been done to this topic.
> 
> I have been bashed, besmirched and berated for good reason here, cuz, I have 
> fucked up, but the treatment of this post is obviously, what?, jealousy?  
> 
> Yep, I'm going with jealousy.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > I like the following idea so much I'm copyrighting this piece.  I haven't 
> > been all that scholarly, but I'm convinced I'm being original and that the 
> > below is a new idea.  Er, I hope.  
> > 
> > Copyright Edg Duveyoung 2010
> > 
> > One fact keeps banging on my door.  200,000 years ago, the modern human 
> > brain evolved.  They were as smart as us, and that means 1% of them had 
> > Einstein level acuity...190,000 years before the oldest scriptures.
> > 
> > With no TV et al, what did the ancients have for night time conversations?  
> > 
> > Think about it.
> > 
> > It was the stars.  And for those who would say, "Oh, so they saw some 
> > animals in the sky, no big deal." I would ask, "Do you really think 
> > Einstein would be satisfied with animal tales?"
> > 
> > Do you think anyone could tell Old Albertgrok that a certain star in the 
> > sky caused a certain person's personality to be a certain way?  
> > 
> > Nah, that would be jarring to a modern brain's logic and common sense, and 
> > back then too.
> > 
> > The precision of their measurements as proved by the various astronomical 
> > artifacts they created, is only the BEGINNING of their ken.  
> > 
> > Here's my theory:
> > 
> > They used the stars as their personal diary.
> > 
> > How so?
> > 
> > The cave paintings at Lascaux give a clue.  The configuration of the 
> > animals were PERFECT star charts -- the tips of the bison's horns being 
> > EXACTLY where they should be.  How exact?  If you made the cave's rock 
> > walls transparent, the tips of the bison's horns would be on top of, align 
> > with the bigger-brighter stars, and so too the other key-points of the 
> > cave's artwork would PRECISELY align with the night sky also.
> > 
> > That's a huge intellectual feat, but it's only the beginning. One has to 
> > ask why the geniuses back then went to all that trouble.
> > 
> > To predict the growing season or when the bison herds would return seem to 
> > me to be painfully trivial and not anywhere near the level of importance in 
> > those ancient minds that it would take to motivate the cave paintings which 
> > required a tremendous amount of "recreational time" to be expended.
> > 
> > Note that it would be EASY for even a normally intelligent ancient to say, 
> > "When the sun comes up directly over that mountain top, that's when the 
> > planting season begins."   
> > 
> > There's all the precision one needs.  
> > 
> > One sees the sun coming up every day slightly nudged over a bit, and the 
> > moon as if adds accents to each day's presentation, and then the stars are 
> > the matrix-background against which the sun and moon are compared.  It 
> > didn't take a Stonehenge to know when to plant the seeds.  It didn't take a 
> > cave painting either.
> > 
> > So why did they go to all that trouble?  Stonehenge?  Give me a break -- 
> > that's way too much trouble to tell when to plant a seed.  And, hey, they 
> > didn't even plant seeds until 10,000 years ago, and I'm theorizing on what 
> > the stars meant to them before agriculture.
> > 
> > So, "diary," what can I mean by that?  To me the following concept is big 
> > enough and valuable enough to motivate a cave person to get his tribe to 
> > build Stonehenge.  
> > 
> > First note that the human mind is DNA deep when it comes to projection.  We 
> > simply can see the contents of our mind "out there" in a direct manner.  
> > That's our beauty.we naturally see ourselves everywhere.
> > 
> > Consider this -- if you're my age, you know where you were when JFK was 
> > shot, or when Neil planted his boot on the moon, or whatever.  Do you see 
> > that you've got a dog-eared page in your own personal diary via that 
> > notation?  
> > 
> > A singularly precise moment in time is given an asterisk by you.  When JFK 
> > got shot I was __.  Everyone my age can fill that blank.
> > 
> > And any moment that is important to one can be thusly dog-eared.
> > 
> > Well, if you were sitting around a campfire with a giant brain, don't you 
> > think you could as easily say, "When the bison's horn tip hit that 
> > mountain's top, I was born."    Direct, simple, true, and practically 
> > v

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

My last Latin class was in 1967 where I'm certain I had the lowest final grade, 
and my biblical scholarship is far worse. Ezekiel may be somewhat interesting 
poetically, but I find little beyond a Monty Pythonesque absurdity anywhere in 
the bible.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/wmm81s.jpg[/IMG]
> 
> Fili hominis, putasne vivent ossa ista? Domine Deus, tu nosti.
>  
> > In 1987 I received permission and my own key to the gross lab at a private 
> > medical school in Seattle where I did drawings and some paintings from the 
> > cadavers studied and dissected by first-year students. This painting, 
> > currently in my daughter's collection, was the final result of that work.
> > 
> > Hopefully, the image shows in the post.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

Hey, Edg, good morning.

At the time that painting was in process I was in my mid-thirties and, besides 
two funerals I attended around age 10, I had never seen a dead body. Even 
though I calculated that in the metropolitan areas(Saint Louis, Kansas City, 
Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Seattle) in which I had lived by that time in my 
life -- and during the time I had been living in those metro areas -- many 
hundreds of thousands of people had died. The drumbeats of bodies hitting the 
floor in the hundreds of thousands was, instead, a silent metronome of folks 
being whisked away behind closed doors, mostly beyond the purview of anyone but 
medical and mortuary personnel. 

So I was curious about what death looked like up close and (relatively) 
personal.

It took a while to gain permission from the school administration but somehow I 
convinced them that I was sincere, not a psychopath, and not likely to steal 
any body parts. Surprisingly, once they gave me permission they also gave me my 
own key with the requirement that I only went in when the medical students were 
not there.

The first door to the gross lab was right off the sidewalk on 45th Avenue in 
the University District and opened into a small antechamber cluttered with 
unused medical equipment, mostly stuff on wheels with complex appurtenances 
sticking out here and there. Off of that room was a single door with a frosted 
glass window where the gross lab was. The first time I went to do my work 
there, I left my supplies and my lunch in the first room and fitted my key into 
that door which revealed another small room with high shelves and one window, 
also frosted, above a large, stainless steel sink.

There were three gurneys lined up, each one with a long, amorphous bundle 
wrapped in heavy white plastic and bound with flat fabric belts. Other than 
that, the room was empty. I selected one of the three at random and began to 
undo the three fabric belts which encircled it. I pulled the plastic off and 
let it hang like a tablecloth over the sides of the gurney. The figure 
underneath was wrapped in a formaldehyde-soaked flannel sheet with rusty brown 
stains here and there. I unwrapped the head first, and for a moment I was 
totally perplexed, because, where the mouth should have been, instead the face 
had a sharp, Dick Tracy-like jaw and a smooth, creased line horizontal to the 
long axis of the face.

It took several seconds before I realized that the mouth was covered with a 
brown paper hand towel, also soaked in formaldehyde, to keep the lips and 
protruding tongue from drying out. It really was freaky at first, but once I 
figured that out I removed it and unwrapped the rest of the body. The 
dissection of that cadaver had already begun and the abdominal cavity was cut 
so I could open it up and examine the interior. That's pretty much the 
condition of the cadaver that's depicted in the final painting that resulted 
and that I posted this morning.

I did lots of drawings and watercolors while I was there and later composed and 
executed the painting in the studio. Almost immediately it became very normal 
and unremarkable to be sitting there working with these three corpses. Not 
scary at all or even very weird, really. I can't imagine that many of us who 
post or lurk here haven't spent a fair amount of time considering and 
contemplating our own deaths. That experience for me was part of an ongoing and 
pretty much lifelong interest is researching that issue.

As to "I am eternal", I don't know about that. There are far more quotidian 
matters that I am entirely ignorant of; my grasp on eternity is far more 
tenuous still.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Wow.  Was it, philosophically, a deep and intense examination of the 
> proposition: "I am eternal?"  
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > I washed my hands after It was finished.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > >
> > > A Pilate project?  Ecce homo
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: marekreavis 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:32 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ecce homo
> > >   
> > >  
> > >    
> > >  
> > > [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/wmm81s.jpg[/IMG]
> > > 
> > > In 1987 I received permission and my own key to the gross lab at a 
> > > private medical school in Seattle where I did drawings and some paintings 
> > > from the cadavers studied and dissected by first-year students. This 
> > > painting, currently in my daughter's collection, was the final result of 
> > > that work.
> > > 
> > > Hopefully, the image shows in the post.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

I washed my hands after It was finished.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> A Pilate project?  Ecce homo
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:32 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ecce homo
>   
>  
>    
>  
> [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/wmm81s.jpg[/IMG]
> 
> In 1987 I received permission and my own key to the gross lab at a private 
> medical school in Seattle where I did drawings and some paintings from the 
> cadavers studied and dissected by first-year students. This painting, 
> currently in my daughter's collection, was the final result of that work.
> 
> Hopefully, the image shows in the post.
>

[FairfieldLife] Ecce homo

[marekreavis]

[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/wmm81s.jpg[/IMG]

In 1987 I received permission and my own key to the gross lab at a private 
medical school in Seattle where I did drawings and some paintings from the 
cadavers studied and dissected by first-year students. This painting, currently 
in my daughter's collection, was the final result of that work.

Hopefully, the image shows in the post.

[FairfieldLife] Birds of Paradise Trailer

[marekreavis]

A five-and-a-half minute video to promote a coffee-table book published by the 
Cornell Lab of Orinthology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTR21os8gTA&sns=em

Pretty spectacular.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex

[marekreavis]

Thanks for the citations, EmptyBill. Richard likely researches more resources 
than just Wikipedia, but even Wikipedia is a very useful and often accurate 
source for lots of information. 

And I'm sure you both know far more about these subjects than I do. The only 
point I was making to Richard was that the "evidence" he cited for his 
conclusions were, in my opinion, inadequate to substantiate those conclusions. 
He may be right, but he didn't offer any proofs beyond similarities of 
construction among both two-dimensional and three-dimensional objects from 
related traditions and the conjecture on his part as to which tradition was 
primary and which was subordinate.

***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Marek,
> 
> You are granting Wiki-Willy an undeserved title. Willy is called Wiki
> because it is his main source of information. That makes him the
> anti-scholar whose pseudo-scholarship is proven every other post by his
> unwarranted and amateurish conclusions.
> 
> What he is not telling you, because he doesn't know and doesn't want to
> know, is that the stupa is patterned upon the geometric dimensions and
> progressions of the
> Vedic vedi, the vedic sacrificial altar.
> 
> The historical progression is from vedic altar to hindu temple to
> buddhist stupa to hindu yantra and buddhist mandala.
> 
> If interested, all this is explained by the seminal work of the
> Australian architect, Adrian Snodgrass in Symbolism of the Stupa.
> 
> Page 7
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=o0aQMlFX8ugC&pg=PA7&vq=%22Myth+narrate\
> s+a+sacred+history%3B+it+relates+an+event+that+took+place+in+primordial+\
> time,+the+fabled+time+of+the%22&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7>  - Myth
> narrates a sacred history: it relates an event that took place in
> primordial time, the fabled time of the "beginnings." In other words,
> myth tells how, through the deeds of Supernatural Beings, a reality came
> into existence, be it the whole of reality, the Cosmos, or only a
> fragment of reality — an island, a species of plant, a particular
> kind of human behavior, an institution.‎
> 
> Page 191
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=o0aQMlFX8ugC&pg=PA191&vq=%22Both+heave\
> n+and+earth+are+contained+within+it%3B+both+fire+and+air,+both+the+sun+a\
> nd+the+moon,+the+lightning%22&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7>  - There is
> this city of Brahman—the body—and in it the palace, the small
> lotus of the heart, and in it that small ether. Both heaven and earth
> are contained within it, both fire and air, both sun and moon, both
> lightning and stars; and whatever there is of the Self here in the
> world, and whatever has been or will be, all that is contained within
> it.‎
> 
> Page 191
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=o0aQMlFX8ugC&pg=PA191&vq=%22Both+heave\
> n+and+earth+are+contained+within+it%3B+both+fire+and+air,+both+the+sun+a\
> nd+the+moon,+the+lightning%22&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7>  - There is
> this city of Brahman—the body—and in it the palace, the small
> lotus of the heart, and in it that small ether. Both heaven and earth
> are contained within it, both fire and air, both sun and moon, both
> lightning and stars; and whatever there is of the Self here in the
> world, and whatever has been or will be, all that is contained within
> it.‎
> 
> Page 194
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=o0aQMlFX8ugC&pg=PA194&vq=%22became+a+G\
> olden+Egg,+resplendent+as+the+sun,+in+which+he+himself+was+born+as+Brahm\
> a,+the+progenitor+of+the%22&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7>  - He, desiring,
> seeking to produce various creatures from his own body, first created
> the waters, and deposited in them a seed. This (seed) became a golden
> egg, resplendent as the sun, in which he himself was born as Brahma, the
> progenitor of all worlds.‎
> 
> Page 204
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=o0aQMlFX8ugC&pg=PA204&vq=%22extends,+s\
> o+far+extends+the+space+within+the+heart.+Within+it,+indeed,+are+contain\
> ed+both+Heaven+and+Earth,+both+fire%22&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7>   - as
> far, verily as this (world) space extends, so far extends the space
> within the heart. Within it, indeed, are contained both heaven and
> earth, both fire and water, both sun and moon, lightning and the stars.
> Whatever there is of Him in this world and whatever is not, all that is
> contained within it.‎
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Richard, you wrote:
> >
> > So, the Sri Vidya tradition is similar to the
> > Trika of Kashmere. "The Kashmiri Pand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex

[marekreavis]

Yes, Richard, I understand that you have come to the conclusion you state below 
and have stated many times in the past. I don't believe, however, that you have 
made a case that is convincing enough for someone else to reach the same 
conclusion. Or, more accurately, you haven't convinced me.

A Buddhist stupa is an architectural plan based on a mandala. Okay. The Sri 
Yantra is also a mandala. Okay. Therefore . . . your conclusion.  

Not enough for me to buy your theory or your conclusion, though I agree that 
there were mutual influences going on among the different philosophies that 
grew among the meditating ascetics and mendicants at the time of the historical 
Buddha and, likely well before his time and far beyond into antiquity. They 
share similarities and they have differences and conflicting claims and 
interprestations. Neither is more true than another.

I agree with you that you only get as enlightened as you get. I don't believe 
that there is some ultimate enlightenment that we're all headed for or that can 
be validated by any authority or physiology outside of yourself. All these 
conflicting claims about teachers and lineages and authorities and who is or is 
not enlightened or right in their descriptions of internal states is, in my 
opinion only, a waste of time and energy. 

I would prefer that folks put their attention on just being good people.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> marek:
> > There are obvious and apparent influences, but I don't
> > think you've made your case.
> >
> Appareently what you have failed to understand is that 
> stupas are an ancient form of mandala. The stupa represents 
> the awakened mind, so Buddhism, representing the enlightenment
> tradition In India, is an obvious influence on the Sri Vidya
> and on Kashmere tantrism, both of which echo the Buddhist
> theories of the awakened state - enlightenment. 
> 
> Not for nothing is the Buddha icon depicted as a sramana 
> adept sitting in meditation with eyes closed - just like 
> TMers in Fairfield when they sit inside the MUM tope. 
> 
> 'TM' as Patanjali Yoga is Buddhist inspired, as is Sri Vidya
> and the use of the Sri Yantra - that's my conclusion. The
> Sri Yantra is based on the Buddhist stupa.
> 
> It should be obvious that the Buddhist stupa, in the form of 
> a diagram of the Sri Yantra, came after the invention of the 
> two-dimensional graphic image, which forms the plan of the 
> edifice. In order to erect a stupa or monument a plan must 
> preceed the actual construction.
> 
> "The shape of the stupa represents the Buddha, crowned and 
> sitting in meditation posture on a lion throne. His crown is 
> the top of the spire; his head is the square at the spire's 
> base; his body is the vase shape; his legs are the four steps 
> of the lower terrace; and the base is his throne." "The stupa 
> that enshrines the teacher's physical remains is at once a 
> reminder of the teacher and the embodiment of the pure and 
> all-pervasive aspect of the awakened state." 
> 
> http://www.stupa.org.nz/stupa/intro.htm
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney & Lyin' Ryan Fooled by Benghazi Pseudoscandal

[marekreavis]

You have erroneously included me in the conversation on this topic, Richard, an 
interesting mistake to make. However, I agree that Obama was issuing a 
statement that, based on limited, or perhaps conflicting intelligence available 
at the time, used words that would allow him room to claim that he had 
truthfully and accurately characterized the issue, as either a planned 
terrorist attack or a spontaneous act arising from the provocative video.

Besides being a footbal used by both party's advocates to claim political 
points, I don't see it as particularly important, otherwise. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > > Don't be ridiculous, Xeno. You would look *very* silly
> > > > trying to parse that paragraph--especially in the context
> > > > of the rest of the statement--to fit the "spontaneous
> > > > event" scenario.
> > > 
> > > No, it's easy. If it turned out the act was a spontaneous
> > > response to the anti-Muslim video, he can point out that
> > > it was an unfortunate terrible act, but the was not a
> > > planned terrorist attack, and that nonetheless we will not
> > > buck our responsibility to oppose acts of terror directed
> > > toward the United States
> > >
> authfriend:
> > ...the only point I'm arguing is that he intended to 
> > convey in those three statements that the Benghazi attack 
> > was an act of terror.
> >
> Marek isn't the only one to believe Obama tried to make
> a cover-up of the Benghazi attack by the terrorists.
> 
> "In Tuesday night's debate with Mitt Romney, President 
> Obama claimed to have "told" the American people that 
> Benghazi was a terror attack the very next day, Sept. 12, 
> when speaking from the Rose Garden. 
> 
> The assertion was untrue, despite moderator Candy Crowley's 
> ruling to the contrary. 
> 
> The president had only spoken generally of terror attacks, 
> and Benghazi would have been understood to fall under that 
> umbrella only if it had been acknowledged as a terror 
> attack." 
> 
> 'The Three Benghazi Timelines We Need Answers About'
> Wall Street Journal, October 19, 2012
> http://tinyurl.com/8dda5u6
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex

[marekreavis]

That's quite a lot of assumptions, Richard, that collectively still don't add 
up to become "what we *know*" about Buddhism being the source of the Sri Vidya 
tradition, and TM.

Human beings spending their time in meditative contemplative processes are 
likely to have come to similar internal experiences and subsequently described 
those experiences within the cultural and philosophical contexts of their time. 
The descriptions frequently overlap, regardless of the specific lineage being 
invoked as the authority. There are obvious and apparent influences, but I 
don't think you've made your case.  

Thank you, though, for the specific references you've cited.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> marek:
> > I appreciate your scholarship, Richard, but 
> > what is the actual connection that you premise 
> > your belief?
> >
> So, you've noticed that the MUM Golden Dome is 
> sperical in shape with an umbrella on top, and
> surrounded by a fence! LoL! 
> 
> Architecture and graphical evidence:
> 
> So, based on the physical shape I conclude that 
> the MUM Dome is a 'stupa', just like the stupa 
> at Sanchi, except that the Dome in Fairfield is 
> a 'hollow' tope.
> 
> A stupa design is based on the mandala which is
> a yantra; stupas based on mandalas are used in 
> Budddhism from the 2nd century B.C., the oldest 
> known edifice architecture in India.
> 
> Since the Buddha was the first historical yogin
> in India, I conclude that Hindu Yoga and Hindu
> edifice architecture is based on Buddhist 
> designs.
> 
> Historical evedence:
> 
> Kasmere Trika did not arise out of a vacumn, so 
> we can assume that one of the influences was 
> the tantra practice of the resident Buddhists, 
> who are known to exist in Kashmere since at 
> least the 1st century B.C.
> 
> Since the Buddhists of Kashmere built stupas 
> based on the yantra mandala it is only logical 
> to conclude that the Sri Yantra symbol is used 
> in Sri Vidya symbol is Buddhist inspired.
> 
> It is a fact that the Vedic immigrants had no
> asceticism, temples or temple symbols, so the 
> Vedics must have adopted yoga and yoga symbols 
> from the native inhabitants in Kashmere and 
> Afghanistan - the original homeland of the 
> Vedics.
> 
> Textual evidence:
> 
> The founder of the Advaita tradition in India
> Guadapadacharya, was obviously inspired by the 
> Vijnanavada Buddhists.
> 
> Shankara has been called a 'quasi-Buddhist' by
> several Indologists because what they wrote is
> almost verbatim taken from Buddhist sources.
> 
> Compare Asanga:
> 
> In a nutshell, Vijnanavada regards Consciousness 
> as absolute. Shankara is an improvement on 
> Vasubandhu as well as Gaudapada who agrees with 
> Vasubandhu.
> 
> 1. Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: 
> 
> "Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is 
> the real truth. The object exists as an object 
> for the knowing subject; but it does not exist 
> outside of conciousness because the distinction 
> of subject and object is within conciousness." 
> (IV 25-27) Sharma, p. 245-246. 
> 
> 2. Excerpt from mahAyAna sutra lAnkarA by asAnga 
> maitreyAnAtha: 
> 
> "Pure conciousness is the only Reality. By its 
> nature, it is Self-luminous." (XIII, 13). "Thus 
> shaking off duality, he directly percieves the
> Absolute which is the unity underlying 
> phenomena (dharmadAtu)." (VI, 7) Sharma, p. 
> 112-113 
> 
> 3. Excerpt from vijnApti matratA siddhi by 
> vasAabAndhu with his own commentary: 
> 
> "Reality is Pure Conciousness; external objects 
> do not exist outside thought. Reality can be 
> directly realized by transcending the 
> subject-object duality" 
> 
> Mere perception is not sufficient proof for 
> the existence of the external world. For 
> by the time we're aware of the awareness, in 
> that moment - both perception and the perceived 
> are things of the past. 
> 
> Perception is as false as dreams.
> 
> Arya Asanga puts forth the schools basic 
> doctrines in his Mahaayaana Sutralamkaara 
> Shaastra:
> 
> 1. Reality is non-dual pure consciousness. 
> 
> 2. The phenomenal world is momentary - shunya. 
> But shunya doesn't mean total negation. It is 
> the negation of something in something. It is 
> the negation of the illusory phenomenal world 
> in its underlying support - pure 
> consciousness.
> 
> 3. The individual ego - the "I" - doesn't 
> really exist. It is neither real nor unreal, 
> nor both, nor neither - it is an illusion.
> 
> 4. All suffering is due to clinging to the 
> notions of "I" and "mine".
> 
> 5. Liberation is only the destruction of the 
> illusion or ignorance. Individual existence 
> is transcended on grasping the true meaning 
> of 'nairaatmaya' and 'shunyataa'.
> 
> 6. The real is non-dual. It's neither existence 
> nor non-existence, neither affirmation nor 
> negation, neither identity nor difference, 
> neither one nor many, neither pure nor impure, 
> neither production nor destruction. 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Chakra, Arid Mars, Adi-Shankara and Wiki-Willy-Tex

[marekreavis]

Richard, you wrote:

So, the Sri Vidya tradition is similar to the 
Trika of Kashmere. "The Kashmiri Pandits still 
worship the triratna symbol." 

Buddhism in Kashmere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_kashmir

"Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both 
have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra." 

+++

This seems to be the weak link in your argument, Richard. I think the Sri Vidya 
component is solid but the rest of the alleged connection to Buddhism as the 
basis of the TM tradition essentially is: Sri Vidya is "similar" to "Trika of 
Kashmere", there was/is "Buddhism in Kashmere", and "Kashmir Saivism resembles 
Hindu Tantra and both use the Shri Yantra" and Guru Dev was into Sri Vidya, too.

So, what do we know for sure? Apparently, not much regarding the alleged 
Buddhist inspired Sri Vidya/TM traditions.  Following your argument, there's no 
connection between Buddhism and the Sri Vidya traditions of Hinduism, except 
that there were/are Buddhists in Kashmir and everyone in all the different 
religious traditions in that area have cool symbols that they like to focus on. 

The Triratna symbol doesn't resemble the Sri Yantra in the slightest, and 
although the Sri Yantra is a mandala, not all mandalas are Sri Yantras or 
equivalent to it (at least in the minds of the different practitioners and 
adherents). So the fact that the architecture of a Buddhist stupa is an 
expression of a mandala, doesn't make it a Sri Yantra or a Maharishi Golden 
Dome.

I appreciate your scholarship, Richard, but what is the actual connection that 
you premise your belief?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> emptybill:
> > ...even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra.
> > 
> ROTFLMAO!!!
> 
> So, what do we know, fer sure?
> 
> Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda 
> Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 
> in village Gana, which is close to the city of 
> Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at 
> the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight 
> and later became a student of Swami Krishnanand 
> Saraswati of Utter Kashi.
> 
> So, the formost desciple of SBS is the Karpatri 
> Swami, Hariharaanada Saraswati. It is a fact that 
> Karpatri was an adherent of the Sri Vidya, as 
> attested by Alain Danielou, the famous Indologist, 
> Karpatri's student.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Dani%C3%A9lou
> 
> According to Swami Rama, Brahmanada Saraswati is 
> said to have been one of those "rare siddhas 
> (accomplished ones) who had the knowledge of Sri 
> Vidya."
> 
> So, the Sri Vidya tradition is similar to the 
> Trika of Kashmere. "The Kashmiri Pandits still 
> worship the triratna symbol." 
> 
> Buddhism in Kashmere:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_kashmir
> 
> "Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both 
> have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra." 
> 
> Kashmir Shaivism:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism
> 
> Work cited:
> 
> 'Living With the Himalayan Masters'
> by Swami Rama
> Himalayan Institute
> page 247
> 
> Read more:
> 
> 'Yoga: Mastering the Secrets of Matter and the 
> Universe' 
> by Alain Danielou
> Inner Traditions, 1991
>  
> > > > > emptybill:
> > > > > > ...even though no Buddhists use the Shri Yantra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > The Shri Yantra is based on the Buddhist stupa, which
> > > > > is a mandala. "The mandala can be found in the form
> > > > > of the stupa and in the Atanatiya Sutta in the Digha
> > > > > Nikaya, part of the Pali Canon."
> > > > >
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala
> > > > >
> > > > > Adherents of the Sri Vidya got the Sri Yantra from
> > > > > the Tantrics in Kashmere, based on the Tibetan mandala.
> > > > >
> > > > > The TM bija mantras originated with the Eighty-four
> > > > > Mahasiddas of the 8th century Buddhist era - the Sri
> > > > > Vidya cult came much later following the Gupta age and
> > > > > the age of the sects  - Shaivaism, Vaisnavism,
> > > > > Shaktism in the 12th century and after Chaitanya, 15th
> > > > > century.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that
> > > > > the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is
> > > > > also a fact that the Sri Chakra, is ensconced on the
> > > > > mandir at both Dwarka, Kanchi, and the Sringeri Mathas.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim
> > > > > that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of
> > > > > learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi
> > > > > Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari,
> > > > > with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the
> > > > > seats of learning - Jyotirmath, Dwarka, Puri, Srigeri
> > > > > and Kanchi.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived
> > > > > from the Nath Siddhas, Tantric Alchemists of Medieval
> > > > > India, 50% o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti As A Learned Experience

[marekreavis]

Very nicely said, Susan. I can relate to what you've written. The bhakti thing 
isn't for everyone, but worship is powerful medicine. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > For some reason, I find myself still tripping on a phrase used on FFL
> > yesterday. *Not* on the person who wrote it, but on the content, the
> > idea expressed. The phrase was "Now my love for Maharishi was of course
> > the highest love I had ever known."
> > 
> > I admit to stopping in my reading tracks when I first encountered that
> > phrase. My first reaction was, "Excuse me?," followed by a hearty "Of
> > course?"
> > 
> > I'm bringing this up because I suspect that some people here never
> > paused at that "of course," or even noticed it, because for them it
> > really *is* an "of course." They really might also believe that their
> > relationship with Maharishi represents for them the highest love they've
> > ever known.
> > 
> > It wouldn't for me. Maharishi wouldn't even make it into my Top Ten.
> > 
> > That's not a putdown, just reality as I see it. What, I'm supposed to
> > believe that my relationship with Maharishi -- who I spent very little
> > face time with -- is somehow better or "higher" or on a more elevated
> > plane than my relationship with other people I've known and loved up
> > close and personal for years or decades? That's just SO not going to
> > happen.
> > 
> > Didn't happen when I was a TM TB, and didn't happen with Rama when I was
> > a Rama TB. I might have respected both people, but I never considered
> > them either the most important people in my life, or believed that
> > loving them was more important or in any sense "higher" than
> > loving...uh...my loved ones.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I can understand how anyone who is married or in a
> > long-term relationship can say that. Or anyone who has children, or has
> > helped to raise them. Or, for that matter, anyone who has actual
> > friends. Does the love one is "supposed to have" for one's spiritual
> > teacher somehow *trump* the love you feel for these people? Is it on
> > some "higher" level?
> > 
> > I don't think so. And tonight I'm wondering where the belief that it
> > *does* trump other kinds of love CAME FROM.
> > 
> > Think back. Your sense of devotion to Maharishi. Did it develop *before*
> > or *after* you heard stories glorifying devotion and bhakti and holding
> > it up as the "highest ideal?" There were a LOT of those stories.
> > Remember Trotaka? And the stories Maharishi told about how devoted he
> > was to Guru Dev?
> > 
> > Devotion to and love for one's spiritual teacher is a very Eastern
> > thing. I doubt that very many of us brought up in the West would ever
> > have decided on our own that it trumped more real, more tangible love
> > relationships. I think that the stories of devotion came before the
> > devotion. I think we were subtly and pervasively *trained* to believe in
> > the "highest ideal" of our relationship with Maharishi being the most
> > important one in our lives.
> > 
> > Think about it, and chime in if you have any ideas on the subject and
> > can express them somewhat peaceably. I'm not going to argue with anyone,
> > but I am up for a discussion. I think it could be an interesting topic:
> > 
> > Is bhakti inherent to human nature, or is it a taught -- and learned --
> > behavior?
> 
> I have had a few very intense experiences of love for Maharishi and also for 
> Guru Dev.  All came after being involved in becoming a teacher of TM and 
> having heard all the devotee stories.  My experiences involved feeling my 
> heart chakra and chest open in a whoosh of light that then beamed out in a 
> blast toward Maharishi.  I had not anticipated or wanted this, but had been 
> around him for a few months of hearing him speak for hours each evening in 
> Mallorca.  I had one similar experience of the flow of light from my heart 
> toward the man I was in love with at the time, and then later married.  I saw 
> him from a distance, and the light flew in a beam connecting me with him, 
> surprising me.  Jerry Jarvis was in the area and while I never asked him 
> about it, I think he saw this happen.  He was looking around when the light 
> flew, turned quickly toward me, and I believe that he saw the light based on 
> the expression on his face.  Of course, I think and thought so highly of 
> Jerry that maybe I was projecting a great deal of special abilities on to 
> him.  Who knows, maybe all he saw was an expression of pleasure on my face 
> and then he turned and saw my boyfriend.
> 
>   With Guru Dev, there have been a few experiences that come at the end of 
> doing several pujas in a row, with a feeling of love pouring from me to him 
> and a sense that I am prostrate on the floor not out of habit but because 
> there is no other way to be.  The love is so intense that it feels like a 
> physical experience.  An

[FairfieldLife] continuing my story (Re: How Objective Is Your Subjectivity? A Quiz to Xeno)

[marekreavis]

Thank you, Khazana108. It's a simple story but satisfying to read. Something 
that I could easily see doing myself someday.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108  wrote:
> >
> 
> > So places: All of it South India. Final landing place: Bangalore. The
> place I stay most of the time is about 125 kms from Bangalore. I am
> there for doing work, some overseeing works at several construction
> sites. Some working with special machines, a heavy jackhammer, much of 
> the trip about 3-4 hours daily. There is a school, the school is being
> expanded, the additional rooms being created are actually very much
> needed, as the number of pupils doubled since last May. (I was there too
> 3 month in the school holidays). I usually do the heavy work, as I am
> fit (doing running regularly) and strong enough. Other westerners who
> live there, either teach at the school, mostly women, or do supervising
> and just other works and the different building sites. Somebody has to
> direct all the works, control the Indian workers organize materials,
> another person supervises the activities at another ground, has to be
> there. take deliveries, pay workers etc.
> >
> > We are here in rural India, not in Bangalore or Pondichery, there are
> almost constant power-cuts, since some day in June or July, when almost
> all of India was without electricity the situation has worsened
> considerable. On many days we will have power only about 3 hours, and
> you never know when. This is a major problem for all building
> activities.
> >
> > On the place itself, I have a bicycle to get around, I go for food
> outside, I know all the places, simple Indian food, meals, very hot,
> lots of chilly.
> >
> > The children are absolutely sweet, there is a smaller group of
> children, living on the site, the majority is brought by a bus or by
> their parents. The children who live on the site, I know all by name,
> some of them for a few years now.
> >
> > This basically is my second home, This year I was there more often
> than in Europe.
> >
> > Since I finished my works early, I took a week off, I took a direct
> night bus to Pondy, 4,5 hrs starting at 3 am, just to have some
> spiritual holiday, see and bath in the ocean. It's not a new place to
> me, but it's more of a city, I stay in a very affordable guest house,
> run and built by a German, I frequent the Ashram places (Aurobindo
> Ashram), the Samadhi, and I want to go into the Matri Mandir, the
> spiritual center of Auroville. I still don't know, if I will stay three
> days or more, I am playing with the thought of going also to
> Tiruvanamallai, which is on the way to Bangalore, where my flight will
> go off.
> >
> > This time I want to go into the Matri Mandir, I was there last 13
> years back, on my last trips to Pondy I found the administrative hurdle
> always too much, you have to phone a certain number in Auroville between
> 10 and 11 am, just one hour, to be able to maybe get a pass for the next
> day. I missed this time on the date of my arrival, but somebody told me,
> as I have been there before, they would give me admission if I just go
> there on the next day. There is a bus leaving to Auroville everyday in
> front of the Ashram at 8.15 am, but that is Indian time.  The bus brings
> you to the visiting center in Auroville, where upon arrival immediately
> a long queu is being formed. There is an A group and a B group, the A
> group are people who have an appointment to actually meditate in the
> Matri Mandir, the meditation takes about 40 minutes is in total silence,
> and is in the center of the building, starting from 10 am. But I have no
> reservation! No chance, the Indian lady says in a stern voice. I ask her
> if I can talk with her, then say I have been inside before, she says its
> full. But I could make an appointment, calling this number for the next
> day. If you want, she says, you can meditate in the petal.  I lighten up
> and immediately agree. The petals are small rooms adjoining the main
> sanctuary of the Matri Mandir, the meditations are actually called
> concentration. I now find out that there is actually even an email, to
> make a reservation. So I walk the little path from the visitors center,
> and get to the main entrance of the Matri Mandir. I tell my story again,
> and get a pass for the petal, only two of the twelve petals are open for
> the meditation, 3 times are fixed in the morning, I am already late. I
> have to choose, do I want 'goodness' or ' courage'? I said, whatever, no
> I have to choose. Courage, I respond immediately, and the Indian lady
> smiles.
> >
> > I walk there, again a lady receives me, takes the ticket, I am alone
> in the room. It is breathtaking. The whole room is in a sort of orange
> crimson color, there is a foggy light coming from below, no direct
> window, I hear a reverberating sound, like coming from a motor, maybe
> the air-condition. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saniel Bonder in Fairfield visits

[marekreavis]

I think a lot of us had this same experience with Maharishi. That's why his own 
recounting of his first exposure to Guru Dev had such resonance; we could 
relate to it in a visceral way. Not everyone did, of course, but it sure set 
the hook for a lot of dedicated service that followed.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > In my tradition shaktipat is given by touch.  A lot of other traditions 
> > > do it this way.  Did you know that Maharishi also gave shaktipat when he 
> > > first taught meditation?
> > 
> > Maharishi did that to the end, mainly by sight.
> >
> Yep. The first time I met Maharishi was in Detroit,1973. I took the day off 
> from teaching school to help drive some folks in his entourage from the 
> airport to a hotel. A small group of Detroiters met him on the Tarmac to give 
> him a flower, and then we followed him through the airport like a row of 
> ducks to a car waiting to pick him up. As he was getting into the car I 
> happened to be about two or three feet from him, eyeball to eyeball.  I 
> didn't know anything about shaktipat but it was a direct hit that felt like 
> an eternity. I was utterly exposed, he *knew* me, saw right into my being. It 
> was a moment of recognition, two souls meeting. He claimed me as his own and 
> I gave my heart to him.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tubular sunrise for Marek

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Turq, I wouldn't have connected Knopfler with Dick Dale before, but 
once I listened to Atlantis the influence is unmistakable.  

And that image is spectacular!

We're at the beginning of the first big storm swells to come in and the 
breaking waves are currently double overhead plus. Way over my head, literally 
and practically speaking so I've sat it out the last two days. But Sunday 
evening we went out and I caught the shoulder of one of the first bombs to come 
in; easily the biggest wave I've ever caught and it was thrilling and scary to 
the max. Rather than throwing its lip and tubing over, it kept crumbling at the 
top and building this huge hill of whitewater that chased me as I continued 
down the face.

At one point I looked behind me and saw that I was going to be overwhelmed so I 
braced for the impact. When that happens on smaller waves, often I can ride the 
turbulence and get back in front of the wave as it starts to reform in 
shallower water. But when this thing hit me it knocked me clear off my feet in 
an instant, just swept my board and feet out from underneath me and swallowed 
me whole. I was riding a 9' 6" board with a 10-foot leash and I was pulled 
underwater and dragged through the chaos feet first for awhile, my leashed 
stretched and taut as the wave impacted my board. After a few seconds or so I 
got back up, spluttering in the foam and surrounded by an acre of whitewater. I 
hauled in my board and headed back out, but it took forever to paddle out of 
the impact zone and by the time I finally did, I was exhausted.

That turned out to be the only wave I caught that day, but it was worth it. We 
stayed out for a while longer but the fog rolled in and the light left, and as 
the outside sets got bigger and bigger, and scarier and scarier, so we finally 
left the water for another day.

***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Sun Rising over Sandy beach, Oahu:
> 
>  
> [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.185.403.403/p\
> 403x403/62075_369724473110251_9656885_n.jpg]
> 
> Few fans of Mark Knopfler's unique guitar sound know
> how much of it was borrowed from the world of "surf music."
> The twangy sound that guitar fans these days most often
> associate with Mark's Stratocaster is so identifiable that most
> of us can tell it's Mark within two notes. But it was first heard
> in the music of Dick Dale and Duane Eddy back in the 60s.
> Here's a Knopfler cut in which you can clearly hear the homage:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGwy6FPUAvA&playnext=1&list=PLA5F4957C5CF\
> 2E422
>  F2E422>
> 
>  
>  F2E422>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future of Human "Flight"

[marekreavis]

That's remarkable. I'm sure that the guy has "flown" enough times to really 
feel confident that the stunt is possible and, once he hatched the idea, he 
likely spent a lot of time calculating the factors and variables. But, holy 
shit, that must have taken incredible fortitude to exit that helicopter with 
nothing but a wingsuit.

The boxes are a great idea.

***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "stevelf"  wrote:
>
> 
>  Here's the right link-- thanks, Marek for letting me know:
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1C9TkP7JU
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > That guy, Corliss, is definitely amped and a little hard to listen to but 
> > the gliding/flying is amazing!
> > 
> > The second link was the same as the first; didn't get to see the Englishman 
> > land without a chute. 
> > 
> > The guy who skimmed over the snow was wearing an earlier version of the 
> > suit. The ones that Corliss and Mancino were wearing look like they have 
> > more surface area and more lift.
> > 
> > Great stuff, thanks.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "stevelf"  wrote:
> > >
> > >  so please have some fun and follow me here
> > >to start- just to make sure you know the subject material:
> > >  
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmzmOwkRuM&list=LPVMyYcSqP2CI&index=1&feature=plcp
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  I hope that was easy to "click"...
> > > 
> > >  OK , so now the huge goal is to somehow land without a chute.
> > >  well, actually a Brit' recently did just that:
> > >  
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmzmOwkRuM&list=LPVMyYcSqP2CI&index=1&feature=plcp
> > > 
> > > 
> > > OK, so now ur up-to-speed
> > > 
> > >  I predict the initial-contact-landing-area to be a BIG/LONG inverted 
> > > -ski-jump-landing-type-thing slowly narrowing down with a loop or two or 
> > > three in a waterslide type set-up.. Jeff is planning some kind of 
> > > AMAZING landing in Vegas.. he has NASA experts working with him--- a 
> > > secret landing strip
> > >  look at this angle and tell me what you think
> > >   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdkDdBz6f_o
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Future of Human "Flight"

[marekreavis]

That guy, Corliss, is definitely amped and a little hard to listen to but the 
gliding/flying is amazing!

The second link was the same as the first; didn't get to see the Englishman 
land without a chute. 

The guy who skimmed over the snow was wearing an earlier version of the suit. 
The ones that Corliss and Mancino were wearing look like they have more surface 
area and more lift.

Great stuff, thanks.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "stevelf"  wrote:
>
>  so please have some fun and follow me here
>to start- just to make sure you know the subject material:
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmzmOwkRuM&list=LPVMyYcSqP2CI&index=1&feature=plcp
> 
> 
>  I hope that was easy to "click"...
> 
>  OK , so now the huge goal is to somehow land without a chute.
>  well, actually a Brit' recently did just that:
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmzmOwkRuM&list=LPVMyYcSqP2CI&index=1&feature=plcp
> 
> 
> OK, so now ur up-to-speed
> 
>  I predict the initial-contact-landing-area to be a BIG/LONG inverted 
> -ski-jump-landing-type-thing slowly narrowing down with a loop or two or 
> three in a waterslide type set-up.. Jeff is planning some kind of AMAZING 
> landing in Vegas.. he has NASA experts working with him--- a secret 
> landing strip
>  look at this angle and tell me what you think
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdkDdBz6f_o
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Objective Is Your Subjectivity? A Quiz to Xeno

[marekreavis]

Wonderful story, Khazana108, thanks. I look forward to the next installment.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, khazana108  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > Very possibly. But to be honest I'd prefer to hear about 
> > your recent Road Trip. It sounds as if it may have been
> > edifying. 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If it's not classified :-), 
> 
> Some of it.
> 
> > where did you go,
> > and did you have fun there?
> 
> Yes, some fun, and great experiences (I would have reported some of it 
> anyway), but also challenging situations.
> 
> So places: All of it South India. Final landing place: Bangalore. The place I 
> stay most of the time is about 125 kms from Bangalore. I am there for doing 
> work, some overseeing works at several construction sites. Some working with 
> special machines, a heavy jackhammer, much of  the trip about 3-4 hours 
> daily. There is a school, the school is being expanded, the additional rooms 
> being created are actually very much needed, as the number of pupils doubled 
> since last May. (I was there too 3 month in the school holidays). I usually 
> do the heavy work, as I am fit (doing running regularly) and strong enough. 
> Other westerners who live there, either teach at the school, mostly women, or 
> do supervising and just other works and the different building sites. 
> Somebody has to direct all the works, control the Indian workers organize 
> materials, another person supervises the activities at another ground, has to 
> be there. take deliveries, pay workers etc.
> 
> We are here in rural India, not in Bangalore or Pondichery, there are almost 
> constant power-cuts, since some day in June or July, when almost all of India 
> was without electricity the situation has worsened considerable. On many days 
> we will have power only about 3 hours, and you never know when. This is a 
> major problem for all building activities.
> 
> On the place itself, I have a bicycle to get around, I go for food outside, I 
> know all the places, simple Indian food, meals, very hot, lots of chilly.
> 
> The children are absolutely sweet, there is a smaller group of children, 
> living on the site, the majority is brought by a bus or by their parents. The 
> children who live on the site, I know all by name, some of them for a few 
> years now.
> 
> This basically is my second home, This year I was there more often than in 
> Europe. 
> 
> Since I finished my works early, I took a week off, I took a direct night bus 
> to Pondy, 4,5 hrs starting at 3 am, just to have some spiritual holiday, see 
> and bath in the ocean. It's not a new place to me, but it's more of a city, I 
> stay in a very affordable guest house, run and built by a German, I frequent 
> the Ashram places (Aurobindo Ashram), the Samadhi, and I want to go into the 
> Matri Mandir, the spiritual center of Auroville. I still don't know, if I 
> will stay three days or more, I am playing with the thought of going also to 
> Tiruvanamallai, which is on the way to Bangalore, where my flight will go 
> off. 
> 
> This time I want to go into the Matri Mandir, I was there last 13 years back, 
> on my last trips to Pondy I found the administrative hurdle always too much, 
> you have to phone a certain number in Auroville between 10 and 11 am, just 
> one hour, to be able to maybe get a pass for the next day. I missed this time 
> on the date of my arrival, but somebody told me, as I have been there before, 
> they would give me admission if I just go there on the next day. There is a 
> bus leaving to Auroville everyday in front of the Ashram at 8.15 am, but that 
> is Indian time.  The bus brings you to the visiting center in Auroville, 
> where upon arrival immediately a long queu is being formed. There is an A 
> group and a B group, the A group are people who have an appointment to 
> actually meditate in the Matri Mandir, the meditation takes about 40 minutes 
> is in total silence, and is in the center of the building, starting from 10 
> am. But I have no reservation! No chance, the Indian lady says in a stern 
> voice. I ask her if I can talk with her, then say I have been inside before, 
> she says its full. But I could make an appointment, calling this number for 
> the next day. If you want, she says, you can meditate in the petal.  I 
> lighten up and immediately agree. The petals are small rooms adjoining the 
> main sanctuary of the Matri Mandir, the meditations are actually called 
> concentration. I now find out that there is actually even an email, to make a 
> reservation. So I walk the little path from the visitors center, and get to 
> the main entrance of the Matri Mandir. I tell my story again, and get a pass 
> for the petal, only two of the twelve petals are open for the meditation, 3 
> times are fixed in the morning, I am already late. I have to choose, do I 
> want 'goodness' or ' courage'? I said, whatever, no I have to choose. 
> Courage, I respond i

[FairfieldLife] An empathy test you can take (was Re: An Open Letter to...)

[marekreavis]

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> For those interested in empathy and whether they are or
> not, here's an easy test you can take to find out:
> 
> http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/faces/eyestest.aspx
> 
> This test, developed by Cambridge psychologist Simon 
> Baron-Cohen, is called "Reading the Mind in the Eyes," 
> and was developed to help diagnose and treat individuals 
> with Asperger Syndrome (AS) or High-Functioning Autism 
> (HFA). Such individuals have difficulties with empathy, 
> the ability to detect accurately what other people are 
> thinking and feeling. 
> 
> It is also used when trying to diagnose people with 
> mental disorders that impair empathy, such as narcissistic
> personality disorder, schizophrenia, multiple personality
> disorder, and borderline personality disorder. 
> 
> See how you do and report back. Not that we will necessarily
> believe your self-reported score, of course...  :-)
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ann, thanks for this insight.  It happens to be much of 
> > > the way I view Robin's participation here.
> > > 
> > > I mean there's often a heavy dose of irony.
> > 
> > I think you need to do some research on irony and
> > mental illness. For example, schizophrenics and
> > those with Multiple Personality Disorder often
> > employ what they *call* irony, but in clinical
> > studies they show a complete inability to under-
> > stand irony and how it works. 
> > 
> > The mentally ill often fall back and *claim* that
> > they're being ironical, but if one notices, they
> > do this every time one of their other attempts to
> > get people to focus on them and give them attention 
> > fails. The faux irony is just another attention-
> > seeking ploy. True irony requires empathy, which 
> > is the very trait that the NPD personality can 
> > never achieve.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sacred Geometry in Cathedrals and Churches

[marekreavis]

Wow, Richard, that's a beautiful place, Odiyan Temple complex. I'd heard of it 
but never visited. Next time I get the chance I will, thanks.

There's another, smaller, but still very beautiful Tibetan temple complex 
outside of Hilt, California that I've visited many times, Tashicholing.

http://www.tashicholing.org/temple.html

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> martin.quickman:
> > Sacred Geometry in Cathedrals and Churches...
> >
> In the traditional Indian view, a building, if it is 
> properly concieved, satisfies both a physical and 
> metaphysical indigence. It has a twofold function: 
> it provides 'commodity, firmness, and delight' so as 
> to serve man's psychosomatic, emotional and aesthetic 
> needs, and also supra-empirical principles. 
> 
> "In this view, an adequately designed building will 
> embody spiritual meaning. It will express the manner 
> in which the phenomenal world relates to the 
> Ultimately Real and how the One 'fragments' into 
> multiplicity; it will carry intimations of the 
> non-duality (adwaita) of the sensible and the 
> supra-sensible domains." 
> 
> According to Snodgrass, the fully functioning 
> building should aid the attainment of the intellectual 
> conciousness that the Indian traditions consider to 
> constitute the goal and perfection of human life:
> 
> The non-differentiated awareness or state of Being 
> in which there is no longer any distinction of 
> knower from known, or being from knowing - Vidya.
> 
> My daughter lives in Santa Rosa, in Sonamoa, where 
> I recently visited some Tantric Buddhist 'golden 
> domes'. the spires peak out over the trees on the 
> coast Highway 1, an 'Enlightenment Stupa'.
> 
> Odiyan Retreat Center:
> http://www.odiyan.org/
> 
> Tricycle Review:
> http://www.tricycle.com/blog/odiyan-buddhist-retreat-center
> 
> Work cited:
> 
> 'The Symbolism of the Stupa'
> by Adrian Snodgrass 
> Delhi, 1992 
> 
> Other titles of interest: 
> 
> 'Elements of Buddhist Iconography'
> by A. K. Coomaaraswamy 
> Cambridge, 1935 
> 
> 'Images and Symbols' 
> by Mircea Elliade 
> London, 1961
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wednesday contribution

[marekreavis]

You're welcome, RD, and thanks for the GIF that keeps on giving - or taking.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Last week and this week, up here on the Lost Coast, we've been
> experiencing some wonderful surf conditions - small, but powerful swells
> with long intervals (12-15 seconds) that translate into some exquisite
> head-high and overhead waves. Combine that with bright, crisp Fall
> sunshine and a 3-day weekend and it was hopelessly paradisic.
> >
> > Without the constraints of work, we got out at least once a day. On
> Monday morning, right at sunrise, my regular surf mate and I drove over
> the three bridges that separate Eureka from the Pacific and checked out
> the surfbreaks on the Samoa Peninsula. At Powerlines there were already
> a dozen trucks jammed up alongside the road with youngsters scrambling
> into their wetsuits and running up the dunes with their potato
> chip-sized boards under their arms.
> >
> > We got out, walked up to the dunes' crest to see what provoked all the
> excitement (although we were pretty confident at what we'd see). Big,
> beautiful bombs rising out of the ocean about 300 yards offshore,
> crumbling and spilling off the top with broad shoulders on each side.
> Agile shortboarders were cutting and carving across huge faces with
> reckless energy and the whole scene was sprinkled with black-suited
> surfers rising and falling on the swells, either paddling back out to
> catch another or waiting in the lineup for the next bomb.
> >
> > This wasn't exactly our scene. Too crowded, bigger waves than we felt
> comfortable with, and far better surfers than us to boot. We continued
> on our way and drove down a sandy trail to a dead end at the bottom of
> some dunes where a fog horn sends out its constant, doleful horn to the
> Pacific. There were several trucks there already, and three old men
> smiled in getting as they were suiting up, their longboards scattered
> around them.
> >
> > It was AARP Day at the jetty. My buddy, Ric, was the youngest guy
> there, and he's 56. Everyone else was in their 60s and at 61, I was
> probably the second youngest. We walked up the dune to see what we could
> see and there was another 2-3 old monkeys, one on a paddle board,
> already in the water. The waves were big, but within our range, maybe
> head-high or a little more, but glassy and almost pornographically
> perfect. Platonically perfect.
> >
> > We scrambled back to my truck, giddy with anticipation, and scrambled
> into our wetsuits. I'm always a little slow 'cause I have to put in my
> contacts before I get my wetsuit on, and Ric and the others had all left
> before I finished waxing my board. I ran up the dune and down to the
> beach to join them, already in the water and paddling out for the first
> waves of the day.
> >
> > Here's a 5-minute video that's not exactly on point, but catches
> something of the feeling.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCgBsm1qyk4&sns=em
> >
> 
> Thanks for the report, marekreavis. Now I'm going to steal your lunch.
> 
>   [http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m94djyGEvw1qf6bk2.gif]
>

[FairfieldLife] Wednesday contribution

[marekreavis]

Last week and this week, up here on the Lost Coast, we've been experiencing 
some wonderful surf conditions - small, but powerful swells with long intervals 
(12-15 seconds) that translate into some exquisite head-high and overhead 
waves. Combine that with bright, crisp Fall sunshine and a 3-day weekend and it 
was hopelessly paradisic.

Without the constraints of work, we got out at least once a day. On Monday 
morning, right at sunrise, my regular surf mate and I drove over the three 
bridges that separate Eureka from the Pacific and checked out the surfbreaks on 
the Samoa Peninsula. At Powerlines there were already a dozen trucks jammed up 
alongside the road with youngsters scrambling into their wetsuits and running 
up the dunes with their potato chip-sized boards under their arms.

We got out, walked up to the dunes' crest to see what provoked all the 
excitement (although we were pretty confident at what we'd see). Big, beautiful 
bombs rising out of the ocean about 300 yards offshore, crumbling and spilling 
off the top with broad shoulders on each side. Agile shortboarders were cutting 
and carving across huge faces with reckless energy and the whole scene was 
sprinkled with black-suited surfers rising and falling on the swells, either 
paddling back out to catch another or waiting in the lineup for the next bomb.

This wasn't exactly our scene. Too crowded, bigger waves than we felt 
comfortable with, and far better surfers than us to boot. We continued on our 
way and drove down a sandy trail to a dead end at the bottom of some dunes 
where a fog horn sends out its constant, doleful horn to the Pacific. There 
were several trucks there already, and three old men smiled in getting as they 
were suiting up, their longboards scattered around them. 

It was AARP Day at the jetty. My buddy, Ric, was the youngest guy there, and 
he's 56. Everyone else was in their 60s and at 61, I was probably the second 
youngest. We walked up the dune to see what we could see and there was another 
2-3 old monkeys, one on a paddle board, already in the water. The waves were 
big, but within our range, maybe head-high or a little more, but glassy and 
almost pornographically perfect. Platonically perfect.

We scrambled back to my truck, giddy with anticipation, and scrambled into our 
wetsuits. I'm always a little slow 'cause I have to put in my contacts before I 
get my wetsuit on, and Ric and the others had all left before I finished waxing 
my board. I ran up the dune and down to the beach to join them, already in the 
water and paddling out for the first waves of the day.

Here's a 5-minute video that's not exactly on point, but catches something of 
the feeling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCgBsm1qyk4&sns=em

[FairfieldLife] A Short Video

[marekreavis]

I'll take a gamble that by next Wednesday (or, maybe it's Thursday) I'll find 
something else to contribute, but here's a little 4-minute sprinkle on top of 
FFL's otherwise chronic spontaneity:

http://vimeo.com/50587549

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Marek

[marekreavis]

Hey, Turq, good morning from this still dark little corner of the world. 

I can answer your question, "No, I don't", but my data set is very limited. My 
suspicion, however, about the salutary effects of surfing matches your own.

Here's another answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYqSD3NBggk&sns=em

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Some may see this question as "off topic" for a supposedly spiritual
> forum, but I don't, for reasons I've explained earlier. I became
> fascinated by research that I did on dementia and Alzheimer's and the
> activities that have clinically been proven to reduce one's risk of
> them. My question is:
> 
> Do you know any old surfers with Alzheimer's?
> 
> My suspicion is that there are very few. I suspect this because of the
> research centering on how effective ballroom dancing was in lowering the
> risk of Alzheimer's (74% reduction). The researchers theorized that the
> reason for this was that the activities of ballroom dancing -- the
> constant give-and-take, lead-and-follow,
> react-to-what's-happening-here-and-now nature of social dance cultivated
> the formation of new neural pathways in their brain.
> 
> The rule of thumb for Alzheimer's seems to be "Use it or lose it." To
> stave off the effects of brain cell death -- wiping out one's
> connections to and thus access to memories and other knowledge stored in
> our brain cells -- one has to keep continually forging new neural
> connections. Dance does that because it encourages the last-minute,
> fast-paced kinds of decisions that force such new connections to be
> made. Rather than kick back and rely on past experience and past
> knowledge and essentially coast on cruise control, the elderly dancers
> kept putting themselves into positions where they *had* to think fast,
> react in the moment, and make decisions in the moment, and then get
> instantaneous feedback on those decisions.
> 
> I can't imagine many activities doing that more than surfing.
> 
> Its very essence is about being in the moment and reacting instantly to
> new stimuli. That's why I am thinking that statistically, there are very
> few old surfers with Alzheimer's.
> 
> If they kept surfing, that is. I'm thinking of the dysfunctional but
> lovable family of surfers from "John From Cinncinnati." I think they'll
> keep surfing until they drop dead on their boards. Can't you just see
> Bruce Greenwood's Mitch Yost out there on his board at 80? Can't you
> envision Rebecca de Mornay's Cissy Yost out there on a board beside him,
> still looking hot at 80 in a bikini? I don't see either of them as
> having developed Alzheimer's.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robert Crumb on Genesis, and the creation of it

[marekreavis]

I bought Crumb's Genesis for my son a couple of years ago, but read it myself 
before sending it on. It really is a remarkable and emminently readable book, 
and for the first time I really appreciated the story and the tribal culture 
from within which it was generated.

One surprising (to me) thing that kept coming up within the story was how often 
the characters would raise a stone (lingam) and annoint it with oil to 
commemorate some event or victory, etc. 

Thanks for the site referral to his interview; Crumb has been a cultural 
touchstone for many of us since the 60s and I'm always interested in what he's 
done and is doing.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I know that there are some here with an abiding interest
> in my former next-door neighbor R.Crumb. I've checked in
> here before to suggest to the open-minded spiritually-
> minded on this group that his version of "Genesis" is
> not just the first illustrated version in history that
> took every word of the original text and illustrated it,
> it has been deemed by art critics the best illustrated
> version of the book, ever. 
> 
> I stumbled upon this interview today, not having seen it
> before. I lived in Albania (in joke...you have to read
> the article to get it) when he was creating this work,
> and can attest to the truth of him disappearing off to
> his medieval monk's hole for days at a time to work on
> it. Here he talks about why, and talks a great *deal*
> about art, and how he creates it. This is an opportunity,
> for anyone who considers themselves a graphic artist, to
> hear how someone who has been described as the Breughel
> of this age does his thing. 
> 
> It's a great interview, and just pure Robert. I found
> myself laughing out loud many times, as I did when 
> hearing him rap in either his house or mine. The line
> that cracked me up the most was, "I'm finished with the 
> Bible. Back to drawing pornography." That's just 
> SO Robert.  :-)
> 
> http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6017/the-art-of-comics-no-1-r-crumb
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[marekreavis]

That's fine with me and I enjoyed today's contributions.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> >  http://vimeo.com/39497405
> >
> 
> Very creative and funny! I simply enjoy the creative spirit in people.
> 
> How about we post again next Wednesday as Share has suggested? Today was a 
> success, if for nothing else, FFL seemed more quiet.
> 
> And Judy, you're correct...nothing was decided regarding FFL. Those that want 
> to participate will, those that don't won't. And it doesn't matter if you 
> wear pajamas or not. Why don't you give it a shot, yes?
>

[FairfieldLife] Thursday contribution: My Knitted Boyfriend

[marekreavis]

 http://vimeo.com/39497405

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[marekreavis]

Hey, Edg! Long time, no write, for both of us. Put up some more Trikke videos, 
eh?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I was happy just to see your name.  
> 
> You're like the control rods in a nuke reactor -- just your presence keeps 
> the loonytuners from reaching critical mass.  
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad that several people enjoyed the video and I appreciate the kind 
> > words, too. Certainly enforced restrictions ("stinkin' rules') would be 
> > counter-productive to the premise I was promoting, but as for myself, I'll 
> > continue to follow through with the idea.
> > 
> > P.S. I've never surfed Ocean Beach since it's 5 hours south of home and I 
> > don't have family in the Bay Area anymore and, consequently, rarely get 
> > down to SF these days. But someday, maybe.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: 
> > > perhaps FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to 
> > > post no comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, 
> > > but rather, about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else 
> > > that isn't commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack 
> > > of integrity, etc., or the opposite.
> > > 
> > > Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if 
> > > there was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard 
> > > cavil that characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day 
> > > off and just enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> > > 
> > > Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> > > simple images and music:
> > > 
> > > https://vimeo.com/49951982
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[marekreavis]

Sounds good, Laughinggull108, I'm in. First contributions tomorrow, then.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi Marek,
> 
> Just because some don't want your suggestion to be a "rule", we could still 
> pick one day each week (I would suggest Thursdays) to post something such as 
> what you have posted today. It would give us something to look forward to 
> rather than these childish games that seem to be dominating the forum lately. 
> Let's try it, shall we?
> 
> LaughingGull
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad that several people enjoyed the video and I appreciate the kind 
> > words, too. Certainly enforced restrictions ("stinkin' rules') would be 
> > counter-productive to the premise I was promoting, but as for myself, I'll 
> > continue to follow through with the idea.
> > 
> > P.S. I've never surfed Ocean Beach since it's 5 hours south of home and I 
> > don't have family in the Bay Area anymore and, consequently, rarely get 
> > down to SF these days. But someday, maybe.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: 
> > > perhaps FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to 
> > > post no comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, 
> > > but rather, about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else 
> > > that isn't commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack 
> > > of integrity, etc., or the opposite.
> > > 
> > > Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if 
> > > there was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard 
> > > cavil that characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day 
> > > off and just enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> > > 
> > > Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> > > simple images and music:
> > > 
> > > https://vimeo.com/49951982
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Suggestion

[marekreavis]

I'm glad that several people enjoyed the video and I appreciate the kind words, 
too. Certainly enforced restrictions ("stinkin' rules') would be 
counter-productive to the premise I was promoting, but as for myself, I'll 
continue to follow through with the idea.

P.S. I've never surfed Ocean Beach since it's 5 hours south of home and I don't 
have family in the Bay Area anymore and, consequently, rarely get down to SF 
these days. But someday, maybe.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
>
> Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps 
> FFL could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no 
> comments about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, 
> about an idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't 
> commentary on any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, 
> etc., or the opposite.
> 
> Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if there 
> was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard cavil that 
> characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off and just 
> enjoy what people are interested in and write about.
> 
> Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
> simple images and music:
> 
> https://vimeo.com/49951982
>

[FairfieldLife] A Suggestion

[marekreavis]

Just as a suggestion, and perhaps an interesting little experiment: perhaps FFL 
could designate one day of the week where everyone agrees to post no comments 
about any other poster, whether positive or negative, but rather, about an 
idea, or a place, or an experience, or anything else that isn't commentary on 
any other poster's shortcomings, failings, lack of integrity, etc., or the 
opposite.

Many folks here *do* post about things other than other posters, but if there 
was one day of the week when everyone agreed to forgo the standard cavil that 
characterizes the bulk of postings, we could all take a day off and just enjoy 
what people are interested in and write about.

Here's a 4-minute video that is my contribution for today: no words, just 
simple images and music:

https://vimeo.com/49951982

[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern

[marekreavis]

I'm sure that would be an interesting discussion, Robin, and any number of 
folks here would be glad to have it with you.

What I wrote to Feste was both simple and clear; there's no need to reiterate 
or argue.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Marek,
> 
> I have had some unsatisfying exchanges with the person who is the object of 
> this controversy, and yet I understand the general principle of not speaking 
> ill of others—especially if they are not present to defend themselves. 
> However, I note that you are determined to conceal the specific persons whom 
> you deem, by implication, far more malicious and prejudiced than the person 
> who has not posted for some time now.
> 
> What I think dishonest and in bad faith is your refusal to take 
> responsibility for naming the persons whom you believe deserve greater 
> censure on this forum than the person whose name has been brought up. I think 
> it cowardly for you to insinuate who these persons might be [I for one do not 
> know to whom you are referring; I assume you have a more lengthy history at 
> FFL than I do, and therefore a more seasoned perspective on the matter of who 
> at FFL is nasty and who is not nasty] without actually naming them.
> 
> And if someone is going to malign a person whom you feel does not deserve to 
> be maligned, then either you make your judgments known (about who on FFL is 
> worse than this person who remains silent and who is being maligned) or you 
> make certain that in your reference to those who are greater offenders in 
> this regard you avoid making it clear to certain posters on FFL just whom you 
> mean. 
> 
>  I sense you are getting away with something here which is undercutting the 
> purported moral stand you have taken against the derogatory comments made by 
> one poster here. I question whether you are, in good conscience, prepared to 
> stand behind your judgment publicly. After all, you said you were the peace 
> and love kind of guy to me, very scrupulously avoiding any sort of disclosure 
> of those persons at FFL whom you believe harbour and express a violence that, 
> in another context, can even lead to crime, including murder.
> 
> I accuse you openly of refusing to come clean on this matter because of the 
> personal politics of this affair—Your party loyalties, which, as it would 
> happen, do not entirely accord with a disinterested and objective 
> determination of who is nasty and who is not nasty on FFL.
> 
> If you were innocently and sincerely convinced that your predilections in 
> this matter were subject only to a judgment independent of your implied 
> friendship with certain persons on this forum, then you would be much more 
> careful about making what are obvious insinuations, insinuations that the 
> party to which you are loyal can infer exculpate them from being in that very 
> category, and in fact feed their own assumptions—misplaced as they are—about 
> their own immunity to a judgment of being nasty and violent.
> 
> Would you be interested in thrashing out this matter, or perhaps making your 
> argument in the form of a legal brief? I will be the prosecutor, you will 
> argue for the innocence of your client—you being the that client.
> 
> I would like to believe I am wrong about this, Marek, but I think you are 
> double-dealing here and I don't like it.
> 
> Robin
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, 
> > but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was 
> > manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her 
> > comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still 
> > here.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here 
> > > at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as 
> > > a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint 
> > > Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for 
> > > being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her 
> > > posts.) 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what 
> > > > inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt 
> > > > anyone's "tender feelings."  Per

[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern

[marekreavis]

Your opinion is your own and everyone's personal opinion guides their 
interactions with others, or their lack of interaction with others, as the case 
may be. You and I disagree in our opinions re Sal; my remark was prompted by 
the fact that you brought Sal up for no purpose other than to bash her on this 
forum where she hasn't participated for quite some time and where many new 
folks, who have joined after she left, have no knowledge of her whatsoever . . 
. except, of course, now your malicious potshot at her in her absence.

I was astonished at that.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a 
> country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of 
> others.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, 
> > but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was 
> > manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her 
> > comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still 
> > here.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here 
> > > at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as 
> > > a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint 
> > > Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for 
> > > being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her 
> > > posts.) 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what 
> > > > inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt 
> > > > anyone's "tender feelings."  Personally, mine are just me getting over 
> > > > myself.  It had to happen sometime.  
> > > > 
> > > > No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many 
> > > > emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame 
> > > > attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - 
> > > > it's not really all about "me."  My posts never seemed to phase anyone 
> > > > else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of 
> > > > myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they 
> > > > would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to 
> > > > myself..."no need to personalize everything."  Far to tiring an MO. 
> > > >  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite 
> > > > so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play 
> > > > really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much. 
> > > >  Child's play.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Share Long 
> > > > To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have 
> > > > hurt.  I'm willing to do what I can to make amends.  And I'm doing my 
> > > > best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or 
> > > > unknowingly.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout.  Who would have thought?!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern

[marekreavis]

Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but 
who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was 
manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, 
she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at 
> FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a 
> replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, 
> you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not 
> only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired 
> > you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's "tender 
> > feelings."  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to 
> > happen sometime.  
> > 
> > No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many 
> > emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks 
> > for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not 
> > really all about "me."  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and 
> > often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, 
> > etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion 
> > where they belonged.  As I say to myself..."no need to personalize 
> > everything."  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak. 
> >  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so 
> > much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but 
> > really, not so much.  Child's play.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Share Long 
> > To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt.  
> > I'm willing to do what I can to make amends.  And I'm doing my best to 
> > develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly.  
> > 
> > 
> > sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout.  Who would have thought?!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool loneliness: Six Kinds of Loneliness By Ani Pema Choedroen

[marekreavis]

Very nice.

And thanks for that input this morning.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> 
> For all our beloved cool FFL er and/or all who search for coolness [:D]
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjesjbEQpqM
> 
> Six Kinds of Loneliness
> By Pema Choedroen
> 
> To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also
> called enlightenment.
> 
> 
> In the middle way, there is no reference point. The mind with no
> reference point does not resolve itself, does not fixate or grasp. How
> could we possibly have no reference point? To have no reference point
> would be to change a deep-seated habitual response to the world: wanting
> to make it work out one way or the other. If I can't go left or right, I
> will die! When we don't go left or right, we feel like we are in a detox
> center. We're alone, cold turkey with all the edginess that we've been
> trying to avoid by going left or right. That edginess can feel pretty
> heavy.
> 
> However, years and years of going to the left or right, going to yes or
> no, going to right or wrong has never really changed anything.
> Scrambling for security has never brought anything but momentary joy.
> It's like changing the position of our legs in meditation. Our legs hurt
> from sitting cross-legged, so we move them. And then we feel, "Phew!
> What a relief!" But two and a half minutes later, we want to move them
> again. We keep moving around seeking pleasure, seeking comfort, and the
> satisfaction that we get is very short-lived.
> 
> We hear a lot about the pain of samsara, and we also hear about
> liberation. But we don't hear much about how painful it is to go from
> being completely stuck to becoming unstuck. The process of becoming
> unstuck requires tremendous bravery, because basically we are completely
> changing our way of perceiving reality, like changing our DNA. We are
> undoing a pattern that is not just our pattern. It's the human pattern:
> we project onto the world a zillion possibilities of attaining
> resolution. We can have whiter teeth, a weed-free lawn, a strife-free
> life, a world without embarrassment. We can live happily every after.
> This pattern keeps us dissatisfied and causes us a lot of suffering.
> 
> As human beings, not only do we seek resolution, but we also feel that
> we deserve resolution. However, not only do we not deserve resolution,
> we suffer from resolution. We don't deserve resolution; we deserve
> something better than that. We deserve our birthright, which is the
> middle way, an open state of mind that can relax with paradox and
> ambiguity. To the degree that we've been avoiding uncertainty, we're
> naturally going to have withdrawal symptoms—withdrawal from always
> thinking that there's a problem and that someone, somewhere, needs to
> fix it.
> 
> The middle way is wide open, but it's tough going, because it goes
> against the grain of an ancient neurotic pattern that we all share. When
> we feel lonely, when we feel hopeless, what we want to do is move to the
> right or the left. We don't want to sit and feel what we feel. We don't
> want to go through the detox. Yet the middle way encourages us to do
> just that. It encourages us to awaken the bravery that exists in
> everyone without exception, including you and me.
> 
> Meditation provides a way for us to train in the middle way—in
> staying right on the spot. We are encouraged not to judge whatever
> arises in our mind. In fact, we are encouraged not to even grasp
> whatever arises in our mind. What we usually call good or bad we simply
> acknowledge as thinking, without all the usual drama that goes along
> with right and wrong. We are instructed to let the thoughts come and go
> as if touching a bubble with a feather. This straightforward discipline
> prepares us to stop struggling and discover a fresh, unbiased state of
> being.
> 
> The experience of certain feelings can seem particularly pregnant with
> desire for resolution: loneliness, boredom, anxiety. Unless we can relax
> with these feelings, it's very hard to stay in the middle when we
> experience them. We want victory or defeat, praise or blame. For
> example, if somebody abandons us, we don't want to be with that raw
> discomfort. Instead, we conjure up a familiar identity of ourselves as a
> hapless victim. Or maybe we avoid the rawness by acting out and
> righteously telling the person how messed up he or she is. We
> automatically want to cover over the pain in one way or another,
> identifying with victory or victimhood.
> 
> Usually we regard loneliness as an enemy. Heartache is not something we
> choose to invite in. It's restless and pregnant and hot with the desire
> to escape and find something or someone to keep us company. When we can
> rest in the middle, we begin to have a nonthreatening relationship with
> loneliness, a relaxing and cooling loneliness that completely turns our
> usual fearful pa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[marekreavis]

 Buck, other than folks in Fairfield, who would have reasons not to have their 
names publicized to the TMO religious police as following FFL, do you "know" of 
any scholars, academics, politicians, or public personalities who care about 
what we jabber about here or are you just speculating about the otherwise 
undefined "we would be surprised" category?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, who do you believe it is that follows FFL so avidly and who we would 
> > be surprised do?
> > 
> > ***
> 
> Marek,  Scholars, journalists, and people inside and outside of Fairfield 
> look in here to get a handle on Fairfield when they are looking for 
> perspective.  They evidently look for criticism that sheds light.  There's 
> way more readers than writers here.  
> It is always interesting to see who privately e-mails from lurking on the 
> side, or who comments when uptown over subjects and things posted on FFL.  
> Almost always lurkers as an audience deride the bickering between some 
> writers on FFL that gets in the way of content.   In conversation here in 
> town folks often suggest things they would like to have said on FFL though 
> they only lurk. You'd be surprised who the audience is both inside Fairfield 
> and outside.  
> -Buck in FF
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there some reason people are interested in us?
> > > > 
> > > > Not bloody likely. :-)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Dear Mr.Turguoiseb, I would respectfully disagree with your (narrow) POV 
> > > on this.
> > > I found the recent discussion of SSRS's instruction on silent awareness 
> > > during meditation versus the other brand meditation to be particularly 
> > > well drawn out on both sides.  It was very interesting.  I would suspect 
> > > that both interested parties, camps of SSRS-AOL'ers and MMY-TM'ers, were 
> > > downloading the proceedings like crazy following through the discussion 
> > > that discerned some very interesting spiritual nuance.  It was very 
> > > interesting indeed and certainly drove readership.  There were some other 
> > > subjects too during the period which evidently drove FFL downloads by 
> > > non-member lurkers.  This new 'exceeding download' error message seems to 
> > > revolve around periods of content driven downloads.  Unless these were 
> > > denial of service downloads, we should expect now that Yahoo in its 
> > > liquidation would sell FFL as an asset that actually drives content 
> > > views.  You'd be amazed who all the audience of this place is.  Some 
> > > writers would be embarrassed if they realized.
> > > -Buck
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[marekreavis]

Buck, who do you believe it is that follows FFL so avidly and who we would be 
surprised do?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there some reason people are interested in us?
> > 
> > Not bloody likely. :-)
> >
> 
> Dear Mr.Turguoiseb, I would respectfully disagree with your (narrow) POV on 
> this.
> I found the recent discussion of SSRS's instruction on silent awareness 
> during meditation versus the other brand meditation to be particularly well 
> drawn out on both sides.  It was very interesting.  I would suspect that both 
> interested parties, camps of SSRS-AOL'ers and MMY-TM'ers, were downloading 
> the proceedings like crazy following through the discussion that discerned 
> some very interesting spiritual nuance.  It was very interesting indeed and 
> certainly drove readership.  There were some other subjects too during the 
> period which evidently drove FFL downloads by non-member lurkers.  This new 
> 'exceeding download' error message seems to revolve around periods of content 
> driven downloads.  Unless these were denial of service downloads, we should 
> expect now that Yahoo in its liquidation would sell FFL as an asset that 
> actually drives content views.  You'd be amazed who all the audience of this 
> place is.  Some writers would be embarrassed if they realized.
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?

[marekreavis]

Exactly. The number of smokers, at least in this country, continue to decline 
primarily because of persistant education re the dangers of smoking. If folks 
want to pursue personal bad habits, so be it, but let them at least be educated 
as to what the consequences are of indulging those habits.

However, as re guns: we are still a pretty violent species used to conflict 
between our tribal units and among our nation states. It will be a long time 
before we are all on board knowing ourselves as one and acting accordingly. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> And I think we need to ban lighters and matches also, so they can't light-up 
> those illegal ciggies.
> 
>  
> 
> ____
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 4:23 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?
>   
> 
>  
>    
>  
> 
> 
> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > FWIW:
> > 
> > "Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
> > 
> > After some searching, these are the most recent statistics I've found:
> > 
> > Number of people killed by guns in the United States in 2004: 29,569 
> > 
> > Percentage breakdown by US gun deaths in 2004, by type:
> > 
> > * 16,750 suicides (56% of all U.S. gun deaths)
> > * 11,624 homicides (40%)
> > * 649 unintentional shootings, 311 from legal intervention and 235 from 
> > undetermined intent (4%).
> > 
> > That averages out to 81 people dying everyday from guns. "
> >
> 
> "Tobacco use is the single most preventable cause of disease, disability, and 
> death in the United States. Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die 
> prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 
> million live with a serious illness caused by smoking. Despite these risks, 
> approximately 46.6 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes."
> - cdc.gov
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?

[marekreavis]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> FWIW:
> 
> "Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
> 
> After some searching, these are the most recent statistics I've found:
> 
> Number of people killed by guns in the United States in 2004: 29,569 
> 
> Percentage breakdown by US gun deaths in 2004, by type:
> 
> * 16,750 suicides (56% of all U.S. gun deaths)
> * 11,624 homicides (40%)
> * 649 unintentional shootings, 311 from legal intervention and 235 from 
> undetermined intent (4%).
> 
> That averages out to 81 people dying everyday from guns. "
>

"Tobacco use is the single most preventable cause of disease, disability, and 
death in the United States. Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die 
prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 
million live with a serious illness caused by smoking. Despite these risks, 
approximately 46.6 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes."
- cdc.gov

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?

[marekreavis]

Robin, I appreciate that you have an interest in exploring and dialoguing in a 
detailed analysis of the subject of violence, particularly as it relates to 
posts here on FFL. But I'm going to pass. Certainly no disrespect intended, but 
my posting history is a pretty good indicator of how much time I'm willing to 
spend here and what subjects hold my interest.

I meant nothing subtle or complicated when I observed that violence was 
manifest even here, on a forum populated primarily with long-term seekers and 
spiritual practitioners. I am convinced that no one is unaware of it; we are 
monkeys, as finely attuned to each other in this social venue as we would be in 
a physical setting. Things said on this forum are oftentimes said and meant to 
hurt someone else. That amazes me and never fails to disappoint me. It's like 
watching someone take a steaming dump on the table. It's so embarrassing.

I'm an old-fashioned Peace and Love kind of guy. I'd like it if people would be 
more respectful of each other.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> 
> Marek1: I see firsthand the effects of gun violence and it is the same as the 
> effects of "violence", regardless of the weapon chosen to express it. I deal 
> with violence and violent individuals on a daily basis and I'm very alert to 
> its appearance and escalation. I see many of the same expressions of violence 
> in some of the exchanges here on FFL. The individual is where the problem and 
> the solution ultimately lies, not the implement.
> 
> Robin1: Dear Marek,
> 
>  I am very interested in your thesis here, namely that you detect "the same
> expressions of violence in some of the exchanges [on FFL]" as the violence 
> which
> leads to the "gun violence" you deal with every day as a lawyer.
> 
> Does this observation include an assessment of the difference between
> rhetorical disagreement—as intense as it can get—and that form of disagreement
> where there are murderous overtones—the subjectivities of the individual 
> posters
> resembling the subjectivity with which you are so familiar and which breaks 
> out
> in act of gun violence?
> 
>  What truly interests me here is the difference between someone who thinks he
> or she is merely stating an opinion disinterestedly—and yet is unaware of the
> violence that gets expressed underneath and through their opining; and a 
> person
> who expresses a strongly held opinion but is personally entirely free of any
> 'expressions of violence'.
> 
>  What criteria do you apply to distinguish between someone who writes
> passionately and sincerely—and who does not in doing so express any 
> violence—and
> someone who writes passionately and sincerely but in doing so expresses that
> very violence with which you are so familiar in your law practice?
> 
>  Are you able, in having dealt with violence and violent individuals, to
> discern any categorical difference among the various posters at FFL such as to
> make a meaningful distinction in this regard? I mean beyond mere intuition, 
> such
> that a conceptual understanding of this phenomenon could be made intelligible 
> to
> the readers and posters at FFL.
> 
>  To say that "I see many of the same expressions of violence in some of the
> exchanges here on FFL" seems reasonable enough; particularly in view of your 
> not
> necessarily having to analyze this: the cues are just there: Hey, I am feeling
> the same affect in this exchange at FFL which I recognize as the signature
> element of violence that I encounter in my dealings with persons who are 
> accused
> of violent crimes. But what I would be interested in—since one would presume
> your having said what you said indicates that you believe that there are many
> readers and posters who would not have been, had you not stated this, 
> cognizant
> of this truth—is your sharing with us the way you go about detecting this
> violence.
> 
> You can see where I am headed. I doubt any poster on FFL thinks he or she is
> not capable of determining their own level of subjective violence—that is, the
> extent to which they are injecting real violence into their rhetoric; and yet,
> from what you observe and articulate here the levels of violence that are
> objectively there do not do unnoticed by yourself.
> 
>  Do you then, Marek, make any kind of discrimination between a person who
> states a strong opinion and is without any interior violence in having done 
> so;
> and someone equally sincere but in the stating of their opinion precipitates 
> the
> violence which you are so familiar with in 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?

[marekreavis]

Dear Robin, like most things, violence is expressed along a spectrum. Hateful, 
intolerant, abusive, dismissive, and derogatory language is the prologue to 
physical violence and can be just as hurtful. A person can go through their 
entire life without physically striking anyone but still be a violent person.

There are exchanges on this forum in which legitimate disapproval of another 
poster's position seems only an excuse to spew venom. There are folks here who 
apparently "hate" others who post here. To me that is extraordinary, and 
disappointing.

I see violence in my work day and I see violence on this "spiritual" forum. 
Although the forms are different, their substance is drawn from the same well.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I see firsthand the effects of gun violence and it is the same as the effects 
> of
> "violence", regardless of the weapon chosen to express it. I deal with 
> violence
> and violent individuals on a daily basis and I'm very alert to its appearance
> and escalation. I see many of the same expressions of violence in some of the
> exchanges here on FFL. The individual is where the problem and the solution
> ultimately lies, not the implement.
> 
> Dear Marek,
> 
> I am very interested in your thesis here, namely that you detect "the same 
> expressions of violence in some of the exchanges [on FFL]" as the violence 
> which leads to the "gun violence" you deal with every day as a lawyer.
> 
> Does this observation include an assessment of the difference between 
> rhetorical disagreement—as intense as it can get—and that form of 
> disagreement where there are murderous overtones—the subjectivities of the 
> individual posters resembling the subjectivity with which you are so familiar 
> and which breaks out in act of gun violence?
> 
> What truly interests me here is the difference between someone who thinks he 
> or she is merely stating an opinion disinterestedly—and yet is unaware of the 
> violence that gets expressed underneath and through their opining; and a 
> person who expresses a strongly held opinion but is personally entirely free 
> of any 'expressions of violence'.
> 
> What criteria do you apply to distinguish between someone who writes 
> passionately and sincerely—and who does not in doing so express any 
> violence—and someone who writes passionately and sincerely but in doing so 
> expresses that very violence with which you are so familiar in your law 
> practice?
> 
> Are you able, in having dealt with violence and violent individuals, to 
> discern any categorical difference among the various posters at FFL such as 
> to make a meaningful distinction in this regard? I mean beyond mere 
> intuition, such that a conceptual understanding of this phenomenon could be 
> made intelligible to the readers and posters at FFL.
> 
> To say that "I see many of the same expressions of violence in some of the 
> exchanges here on FFL" seems reasonable enough; particularly in view of your 
> not necessarily having to analyze this: the cues are just there: Hey, I am 
> feeling the same affect in this exchange at FFL which I recognize as the 
> signature element of violence that I encounter in my dealings with persons 
> who are accused of violent crimes. But what I would be interested in—since 
> one would presume your having said what you said indicates that you believe 
> that there are many readers and posters who would not have been, had you not 
> stated this, cognizant of this truth—is your sharing with us the way you go 
> about detecting this violence.
> 
> You can see where I am headed. I doubt any poster on FFL thinks he or she is 
> not capable of determining their own level of subjective violence—that is, 
> the extent to which they are injecting real violence into their rhetoric; and 
> yet, from what you observe and articulate here the levels of violence that 
> are objectively there do not do unnoticed by yourself.
> 
> Do you then, Marek, make any kind of discrimination between a person who 
> states a strong opinion and is without any interior violence in having done 
> so; and someone equally sincere but in the stating of their opinion 
> precipitates the violence which you are so familiar with in your dealings 
> with individuals who have resorted to deadly weapons to express their 
> feelings about someone?
> 
> For instance, I might claim that in my own first person experience of 
> opposing certain posters here I do not experience any of the violence to 
> which you refer; and yet I am certainly aware of the first person

[FairfieldLife] Re: A movie to die for?

[marekreavis]

We are fortunate to live in a time and place when government is still fairly 
responsive to the will of the governed. But the underlying premise of the 2d 
Amendment is that the citizenry should have the ability to use force to protect 
their life and liberty against government -- should that need arise. There's no 
guarantee that the need won't arise, just because it hasn't for some time.

Although guns were part and parcel of the everyday landscape of 18th century 
America, and hunting was ordinary, the 2d Amendment has nothing to do with 
hunting, it has to do with ordinary individuals retaining the right to bear 
arms primarily as the ultimate guarantor against a government gone bad.

As you point out, where do you draw the line? When is it necessary to "defend" 
your rights against a corrupted government? There wasn't universal agreement as 
whether or not it was time to rebel against government authority in the 1770s, 
but that consensus finally reached a tipping point. Rebels in Syria, Sudan, and 
all over the world at different times have risen up against tyrannical 
governments, sometimes successfully and sometimes not, sometimes with good 
reason and sometimes without, but the presence of an armed population makes any 
government more wary in the encroachment of their people's rights and makes it 
possible for the people to effectively challenge the State militarily. I'm 
confident that the founders of this republic would want the citizenry to have 
technology that matched the government's, at least on the level of small arms.

I'm not a fan of the NRA but I agree with their position regarding the 2d 
Amendment. You can't always protect people from the actions of unbalanced 
individuals, regardless of the number of laws passed or restrictions on the 
availability of guns. And you certainly can't do so by attempting to outlaw 
guns wholesale or little by little choke off the ability of the populace to 
possess them.

I see firsthand the effects of gun violence and it is the same as the effects 
of "violence", regardless of the weapon chosen to express it. I deal with 
violence and violent individuals on a daily basis and I'm very alert to its 
appearance and escalation. I see many of the same expressions of violence in 
some of the exchanges here on FFL. The individual is where the problem and the 
solution ultimately lies, not the implement.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Emily, this is the very reason why we do need guns. So people such as 
> > your self can not *organize* and  deny us our second amendment rights as 
> > well as  our first amendment or any other amendment rights. A well armed 
> > citizenry protects it's self from a tyrannical government. All conservative 
> > minded people should be well armed.Liberals can disarm or arm all you 
> > want, that's fine with me. As the old saying goes, when guns are 
> > outlawed,only outlaws will have guns.
> >  
> 
> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, 
> the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." When 
> Congress ratified the Bill of Rights in 1791 they weren't talking about 
> automatic weapons and they sure as hell never dreamed that a deranged person 
> could acquire unregulated automatic weapons capable of destroying 70 innocent 
> lives in a matter of minutes. 
> 
> No one wants to take away your guns or deny your second amendment rights. So 
> stop letting the NRA brainwash you into being so paranoid. If the NRA gets 
> their way, every man woman and child would carry a concealed weapon, fully 
> loaded AK 47 and a rocket launcher aimed at the White House, you know, just 
> in case that guy from Kenya tries any funny business. 
> 
> It's not reasonable to use the slippery slope argument that government wants 
> to take away all your guns, including guns for hunting, just because they 
> want to regulate automatic firearms designed to kill as many people as 
> possible, quickly as possible.
> 
> Let's look at *arms* – specifically, guns – as they existed at the time of 
> the ratification of the Bill of Rights.
> 
> Guns in 1791 WOULD
> 
> ...be made by a gunsmith.
> ...have rudimentary rifling.
> ...be single-shot weapons.
> ...be loaded through the muzzle.
> ...fire by means of a flintlock.
> 
> 
> Guns in 1791 WOULD NOT
> 
> ...have interchangeable parts. (Popularized in 1798)
> ...be revolvers. (Invented in 1835)
> ...be breachloaded. (Popularized in 1810)
> ...use smokeless powder. (Invented in 1885)
> ...use a percussion cap, necessary for modern cartridged bullets. 
> (Invented in 1842)
> ...load bullets from a clip. (Invented in 1890)
> 
> http://columbiaacs.blogspot.com/2007/11/right-to-bear-ye-olde-arms.html
>  
> > 
> >  From: Emily Reyn 
> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogr

[FairfieldLife] Gorillas observed disabling snares

[marekreavis]

On Tuesday tracker John Ndayambaje spotted a trap very close to the Kuryama 
gorilla clan. He moved in to deactivate the snare, but a silverback named Vubu 
grunted, cautioning Ndayambaje to stay away, Vecellio said.

Suddenly two juveniles—Rwema, a male; and Dukore, a female; both about four 
years old—ran toward the trap.

As Ndayambaje and a few tourists watched, Rwema jumped on the bent tree branch 
and broke it, while Dukore freed the noose.

The pair then spied another snare nearby—one the tracker himself had missed—and 
raced for it. Joined by a third gorilla, a teenager named Tetero, Rwema and 
Dukore destroyed that trap as well.

The speed with which everything happened makes Vecellio, the gorilla program 
coordinator, think this wasn't the first time the young gorillas had outsmarted 
trappers.

"They were very confident," she said. "They saw what they had to do, they did 
it, and then they left."

Silverbacks in the Kuryama group have occasionally been caught in the snares, 
so Vecellio thinks the juveniles would have known the traps are dangerous.

"That's why they destroyed them," Vecellio said.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/07/120719-young-gorillas-juvenile-traps-snares-rwanda-science-fossey/

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is very nice . . . and unusual

[marekreavis]

Obits was too big that day. Saw a massive wipeout there that snapped a surfer's 
leash and then watched his board keep tumbling over and over in the whitewater 
and scooting hundreds of yards away. It took the guy ten minutes, maybe more, 
to get to it, and he was getting thrashed the whole time. 

However, it was a wonderful week at Camel Rock/Moonstone beach. Nearly perfect 
conditions every morning and tomorrow there'll be no work to cut a good session 
short.

***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Marek, very cool.  How was "Obituaries?"  Everyone survive?  (-:
> 
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:08 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is very nice . . . and unusual
>  
> 
>   
> Three minutes and twenty seconds long.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VqTwnAuHws&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Beat

[marekreavis]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Turq, perhaps I missed it if you said so before, but where 
> > are you now? 
> 
> Leiden. 
> 
> Not a lot of surf, but it does have other charms.
>

Cool. Enjoy all its charms and please write about them from time to time. 

[FairfieldLife] This is very nice . . . and unusual

[marekreavis]

Three minutes and twenty seconds long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VqTwnAuHws&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Beat

[marekreavis]

Turq, perhaps I missed it if you said so before, but where are you now? 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Wishing you all sorts of happiness in the new place...
> > sounds too like it's a done deal. Yay!
> 
> Looks that way. I just came back from a walk around my
> new town at sunset. Wow. Or as they would say here, Wauw.
> People pay to come here as tourists, and I live here. 
> 
> When I wrote to my brother to give him my new address, 
> he of course had to Google it, and then take a virtual
> walk around town using Google Street View. His comment
> just nailed the place: "It looks like a very walkable 
> city with more canals than Amsterdam, Venice, and Mars 
> combined." That about covers it. 
> 
> Canals are neat. They convey energy, and if you shift
> into the proper state of attention, you can actually 
> see it flowing along the canals. Walking along them 
> is like taking a stroll around a microchip. 
> 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Beat
> >  
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9EckOPtGsQ 
> > 
> > So. I moved. Again.
> > 
> > Moving is sort of a thang for me. I am an Air Force brat. I grew up moving. 
> > I lived in twenty different places before I graduated from college. I have 
> > lived in substantially more than that number of places in the time since. 
> > 
> > I sometimes meet people who have roots. They live in the town they grew up 
> > in. They've never been more than 200 miles away. While I *completely* get 
> > the benefits of that lifestyle choice, to me it just Does Not Compute. 
> > 
> > I moved. Every year or two, for most of my life. The longest I've ever 
> > spent in one town was Santa Fe, and that was for only six years. When I 
> > left there, I moved to Paris. And then to Sauve, and then to Sitges, and 
> > then to another town in the Netherlands. This week I moved to this place. 
> > 
> > And I just love it. 
> > 
> > It has everything that the previous town in the Netherlands lacked. Energy, 
> > the vitality of youth, a spiritual quotient, and a Power Place IQ that is 
> > just fuckin' off the map. 
> > 
> > This is the most intellectual place I've ever lived in. The university here 
> > has long been considered the best in the country. Einstein worked here. 
> > Rembrandt was born and painted here. During WWII the Netherlands' entire 
> > supply of plutonium was hidden here, on the university grounds, under the 
> > theory that the Germans would never in a million years expect the country's 
> > supply of plutonium to be stored below one of the best atomic labs in the 
> > world. It worked. The Germans never found it.
> > 
> > Anyway, it's a university town, and it feels it. People think here. 
> > 
> > If you haven't noticed, that is something you can't really say about a lot 
> > of places on this rock. In most of them, people really *don't* think very 
> > much. Many of them look down on people who *do* think. 
> > 
> > In this place, people think. You can see them at the cafes, thinking. You 
> > can see couples kissing in 16th-century alleys, still thinking. People 
> > actually respect thinking here. 
> > 
> > Besides, there is the Babe Quotient. The town I moved away from, although 
> > it had its charms, did not have a very good BQ. The population tended to be 
> > equally divided between old folks who decided to retire there, and 
> > middle-aged family types who had decided to move there so that they 
> > wouldn't have to move again when they retired. 
> > 
> > Not my kinda place. This place is more my kinda place. There is a vibe of 
> > HOPE here. The students, and those who chose to stay here even after they 
> > graduated, they still have that vibe about them that says, "My life is just 
> > starting, and I really look forward to tomorrow." 
> > 
> > That's kinda how I feel about life, so I think I'll fit in here. 
> > 
> > And it's not just because of the babes. There *are* an abnormal number of 
> > babes in this town -- Stop You In Your Tracks With Wonder Babes, of all 
> > ages -- but despite what many here think of me, I won't be spending my time 
> > trying to get into their babepants. 
> > 
> > I'll be spending it in canal-side cafes, writing about what I see around 
> > me. The babes may become part of what I write. Or not, if there is 
> > something more interesting that strikes me in that cafe at that moment. Or 
> > if I find myself thinking about something more interesting. 
> > 
> > And I'll be spending a lot of it on my bike. This is a far better town to 
> > bike in than my previous one. 
> > 
> > It's My Beat. I think I'll like it here...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The world through Google street view.

[marekreavis]

Some great pics and some really intriguing images. What an interesting species 
we are.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> http://9-eyes.com/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was your Yahoo email ID hacked?

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Turq, good to find out that my passwords haven't been compromised (yet).

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Although the latest Yahoo kerfuffle (having to admit
> that it allowed 400,000 members' email addresses and
> passwords to be hacked) is bothersome for many, it
> may be a blessing in disguise for others. Now when
> they post something embarrassing to Fairfield Life,
> they can claim, "It wasn't me...it was someone who
> hacked my account who said that."  :-)
> 
> For the rest of us, there is this site, which seems
> to be an example of Classically Nice Software -- it
> does what it says it does, doesn't track you (unless
> you ask it to), doesn't charge you, and provides a 
> useful service.
> 
> The site itself:
> https://shouldichangemypassword.com/
> 
> Article about it:
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/07/12/yahoo_hacked_how_to_find_out_if_your_email_and_password_have_been_stolen.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: gratefulness, a good day

[marekreavis]

101? Sorry about that. Way too hot for comfort. 

We're mid-60s today, partly cloudy, no wind. Waves were biggish this morning 
and I got my ass handed to me several times, but got some solid rides, too, so 
that was alright.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> You too, Marek.
> 
> 
> It's going to be 101 here today, yikes!
> 
> Feeling grateful for AC (-:
> 
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 10:57 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: gratefulness, a good day
>  
> 
>   
> Thanks, Share. Have a wonderful day.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.gratefulness.org/brotherdavid/a-good-day.htm
> > 
> > 
> > Wonderful way to start the day (-:
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lethal Sounds-Destroying life with sound

[marekreavis]

Thanks. Signed.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> thought you might forgive me for this if the following is not
> appropriate for this forum and private circumstances allow me not to
> inquire further:
> Below is an email from Lyndia Storey, a MoveOn member who created a
> petition on SignOn.org that's growing rapidly. If you have concerns or
> feedback about this petition
> http://civic.moveon.org/signon_feedback/?id=45292-10220574-6JHvYjx&t=1
> 
> Dear MoveOn member,
> 
> According to the U.S. Navy's own estimates, the use of high-frequency
> underwater sound for testing in Hawaii, off the California and Atlantic
> Coasts, and in the Gulf of Mexico will deafen 15,900 whales and dolphins
> and kill 1,800 more over the next five years.
> 
> Whales and dolphins depend on sound to navigate and live. The Navy is
> required to include comments from the public on their Environmental
> Impact Statement (EIS), so your signature and comment on my SignOn.org
> petition could help stop this naval program and save the lives of these
> ocean creatures.
> 
> My petition says:
> 
> Stop the killing of 1,800 whales and dolphins and the deafening of
> 15,900 more by ceasing the operation of the Navy's underwater sound
> system in the Hawaiian Islands, the California and Atlantic Coasts, and
> the Gulf of Mexico.
> 
> Will you sign the petition? Click here to add your name, and then pass
> it along to your friends:
> 
> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=276609&id=45292-10220574-6JHvYjx&t=2
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> –Lyndia Storey
> 
> PS: The comments must be in by July 10, 2012, so please sign my petition
> today.
> 
> This petition was created on SignOn.org, the progressive, nonprofit
> petition site that will never sell your email address and will never
> promote a petition because someone paid us to. SignOn.org is sponsored
> by MoveOn Civic Action, which is not responsible for the contents of
> this or other petitions posted on the site.
> Lethal Sounds-Destroying life with sound
> Got that urgent  sad message  from a friend-has been evacuated  from
> home and computer  for awhile and saw that only now -sorry if the
> comments time frame (must be in by July 10, 2012) is a little short-
> doesn't had time to respond or confirm this but it accomplished making
> myself sad with this post. In principle I usually  question the validity
> of  most things that spread like wildfire via social media. I have not
> been able to find much from more reliable news outlets on the
> topic..just a small article in the Huffington Post (and the slow
> computer at the Chinese hotel I am in now for a while didn't give me
> enough time to check the date by -had to do with conservation groups
> building a court case) Sonar etc. and marine mammals have gotten
> attention since 2000 so this is not a new topic. I went to the Navy EIS
> site that appears to be linked to this. The draft EIS will not be
> released until Fall 2013.  Sending to the petition contact a request for
> sources  took me quite a time due the  gov.restriction here without any
> possibilities to confirm an answer. I can't  keep digging to verify if
> this is truth or fiction may be someone here at FFL knows better
> (apologize if there are unrecognizable character in this post  probable
> Chinese one- can't get  rid  all of them-hope post are still readable)
> 
> https://nwtteis.com/Home.aspx
> 
> http://www.nrdc.org/wildlife/marine/sonar.asp
> How Sonar Harms Whales
> 
> 
> If you've ever seen a submarine movie, you probably came away with a
> basic understanding of how sonar works. Active sonar systems produce
> intense sound waves that sweep the ocean like a floodlight, revealing
> objects in their path.
> 
> Some systems operate at more than 235 decibels, producing sound waves
> that can travel across tens or even hundreds of miles of ocean. During
> testing off the California coast, noise from the Navy's main
> low-frequency sonar system was detected across the breadth of the
> northern Pacific Ocean.
> 
> By the US Navy's own estimates, even 300 miles from the source, these
> sonic waves can retain an intensity of 140 decibels -- a hundred times
> more intense than the level known to alter the behavior of large whales.
> The damage is said to come from sonic bursts that are produced by deep
> water sonar signals sometimes used in the search for petroleum. The
> bursts can damage animals whose communication frequencies fall in the
> same range.
> 
> US federal regulators are curbing an oil and natural gas exploration
> company from using seismic equipment that sends out underwater pulses
> along Louisiana's coast until the bottlenose dolphin calving season
> ends.
> 
> ORCA calculates that the phenomenon represents the highest number of
> beached dolphins recorded anywhere in the world in the last decade.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: gratefulness, a good day

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Share. Have a wonderful day.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> http://www.gratefulness.org/brotherdavid/a-good-day.htm
> 
> 
> Wonderful way to start the day (-:
>

[FairfieldLife] Apropos of nothing . . .

[marekreavis]

. . . except how perfectly this short video captures quite a lot of the surf 
experience up here in Humboldt. It's been a grand summer so far. We're out 
every morning for a couple of hours before work and some days, when it stays 
good in the afternoon, we catch waves again in the evening after work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZKVGVbVRE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Jai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art

[marekreavis]

Hey, Steve, not Tricia but close; it's her husband, Joseph S., who goes by Toc 
Fetch in his work. He and Tricia share many of the same characters and images 
that appear in her sculptures and in his drawings and paintings. They almost 
always show together these days.

Likewise their outlook and inlook are much the same. You've got a good eye/ear.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "stevelf"  wrote:
>
> seems very Cline-ish... Is that so, Marek?? (as in Tricia Cline...)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > From a former Fairfieldian and a superb artist, a page from one of his 
> > comics:
> > 
> > http://www.tocfetch.com/V2.1.17-18.htm
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Art

[marekreavis]

>From a former Fairfieldian and a superb artist, a page from one of his comics:

http://www.tocfetch.com/V2.1.17-18.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating NYTimes article, Kurzweil article

[marekreavis]

Yes, Share, but the R-P-S robot hand cheats, using a camera to discern what 
gesture the human hand is about to form milli-seconds before it does so, and 
then countering with the winning gesture.

J'accuse!

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Following up:
> 
> http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-hand-beats-you-at-rock-paper-scissors-100-of-the-time
> 
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fascinating NYTimes article
>  
> 
>   
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/technology/in-a-big-network-of-computers-evidence-of-machine-learning.html?
> 
> A 16,000-unit computer system teaches itself the concept of "cat" after 
> watching a lot of YouTube.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary instrument

[marekreavis]

A, bummer, Rick! The email I got represented that this was a real maching 
and it certainly in a great animation. I was completely taken in. 

Ah, well, now I've got to get the other leg a little longer so they both match.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of marekreavis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Extraordinary instrument
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Made in Iowa, primarily from John Deere machine parts, and currently at the
> University of Iowa before going to its permanent home at the Smithsonian.
> 
> extraordinaire_instrument_de_musique.wmv 
> 
> (all the balls are recycled)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AadNFyvMdbg
> 
> this is a computer animation. Not a real, physical device.
>

[FairfieldLife] Extraordinary instrument

[marekreavis]

Made in Iowa, primarily from John Deere machine parts, and currently at the 
University of Iowa before going to its permanent home at the Smithsonian.

extraordinaire_instrument_de_musique.wmv  

(all the balls are recycled)

[FairfieldLife] Fascinating NYTimes article

[marekreavis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/technology/in-a-big-network-of-computers-evidence-of-machine-learning.html?

A 16,000-unit computer system teaches itself the concept of "cat" after 
watching a lot of YouTube.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's Next for Jerry Sandusky?

[marekreavis]

If Pennsylvania runs its prisons like California does then any inmate convicted 
of child molestation is segregated from the general prison population. Also, 
Mr. Sandusky is a pretty big guy and I would imagine would be a formidable 
person, not likely to be a target for any type of assault.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 23, 2012, at 2:51 PM, John wrote:
> 
> > Aside from a long jail sentence, he better watch his back while in prison. 
> > He will be open season for many of the inmates.
> > 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/whats-next-jerry-sandusky-trial-153739491--ncaaf.html
> 
> 
> "White Hill", where he's likely going, is a notorious prison for rape. It 
> ain't where any sane person would ever want to end up.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Correctional_Institution_–_Camp_Hill
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Acts of kindness run amuk (-:

[marekreavis]

Such nice images and good feelings generated thereby, this should be a freebie 
post for you.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> PS  I'm limiting myself to 7 posts/day and this is #6.  Sigh...anyway, 
> that's the plan...
> 
> 
> 
> 21 
> Pictures That Will Remind you to Keep Faith 
> In Humanity
>  
>  
> 1.This picture of 
> Chicago Christians who showed up at a gay pride parade to apologize for 
> homophobia in the Church.
> View this image 
> ›
> (Michelle 
> Gantner / Maladjusted Media)
> ... and the reaction 
> from the parade. 
> View this image 
> ›
> (Michelle 
> Gantner / Maladjusted Media)
> 2.This story about 
> Japanese senior citizens who volunteered to tackle the nuclear crisis at 
> Fukushima power station so that young people wouldn't have to subject 
> themselves 
> to radiation. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 3.This picture of two 
> Norwegian guys rescuing a sheep from the ocean. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 4.This sign at an 
> awesome bookshop. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 5.This poll about what 
> Snooki should name her child. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 6.The moment in which 
> this Ohio athlete stopped to help an injured competitor across the finish 
> line 
> during a track meet. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 17-year-old Meghan 
> Vogel was in last place in the 3,200-meter run when she caught up to 
> competitor 
> Arden McMath, whose body was giving out. Instead of running past her to avoid 
> the last-place finish, Vogel put McMath's arm around her shoulders, carried 
> her 
> 30 meters, and then pushed her over the finish line before crossing 
> it.
> 7.This exchange between 
> a 3-year-old girl and a shopping center. 
> View this image 
> ›
> View this image 
> ›
> 8.This note that was 
> handed to a waiter along with a $20 bill by an elderly lady in his 
> restaurant. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 9.This sign at an 
> awesome Subway restaurant. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 10.This picture of a 
> villager carrying stranded kittens to dry land during floods in Cuttack City, 
> India. 
> View this image 
> ›
> View this image 
> ›
> 11.This sign at an 
> awesome drycleaner's. 
> View this image 
> ›
> Elite Cleaners in 
> Minneapolis helped over 2,000 unemployed workers that couldn't afford dry 
> cleaning. Owner Don Chapman estimated that it cost his company $32,000 
> dollars.
> 12.This photograph of a 
> man giving his shoes to a homeless girl in Rio de 
> Janeiro.
> View this image 
> ›
> 13.This picture of a 
> firefighter administering Oxygen to a cat rescued from a house fire. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 14.And this one. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 15.This interaction 
> between a Guatemalan girl and a tourist she just met. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 16.This gesture from a 
> neighbor.
> View this image 
> ›
> 17.These photos of two 
> children collaborating to rescue a dog who had fallen into a ravine. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 18.This note on a young 
> family's check. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 19.This exchange between 
> a protester and a soldier during a protest in Brazil. 
> View this image 
> ›
> 20.These pictures of a 
> man jumping into rough waters to rescue a stranger's Shih Tzu in 
> Melbourne.
> View this image 
> ›
> View this image 
> ›
> Sue Drummond was 
> walking her beloved Shih Tzu, Bibi, on a pier in Melbourne, when a fierce 
> gust 
> of wind picked him up and hurled him into the rough waters of the bay. A 
> passerby, Raden Soemawinata, who happened to be on the pier that day to 
> scatter 
> his grandmother's ashes, wasted no time in stripping down and diving into the 
> bay to rescue the animal.
> 21.And this photograph of 
> two best friends on a swing. 
> View this image 
> ›
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: where the hell is Matt 2012, fun and moving

[marekreavis]

Thanks, Share. It seems that the best things that humans do is play and have 
fun. It's good to share in the fun.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwe-pA6TaZk
>

[FairfieldLife] Ascent

[marekreavis]

An intriguing and fun art/science project detailed in today's New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/fashion/the-ascent-levitating-in-brooklyn.html?

[FairfieldLife] Re: "If I'm butter then he's a hot knife"

[marekreavis]

Edg, you're becoming the Big Daddy Ed Roth of trikking!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coop666/2577021946/in/set-72157605594959854/lightbox/

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I custom built a BIG Trikke with a BIG motor and a BIG battery and I get BIG 
> challenges to my balance.  I recommend it.  
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pWku1GDFEE&feature=player_embedded
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice to hear your voice again on FFL, Curtis. I just read a similarly 
> > > positive review of Ms. Apple in this week's New Yorker. It was actually a 
> > > double review of both her and Norah Jones. 
> > > 
> > > Kudos on getting into slackline, too. I've been thinking of doing that 
> > > for years after I first saw some folks at Joshua Tree walking that walk. 
> > > I use an Indo board at home while I'm talking on the phone or brushing my 
> > > teeth just to keep me working on my balance and core muscles but 
> > > slackline seems like another intriguing way of working the body.
> > 
> > Nice to hear from you too Marek.  I love all things related to balance and 
> > admire your surfing as the ultimate balance challenge.  I have used a 
> > roller board since I was a kid.  Have you seen this version of a board on a 
> > ball for a 360 challenge?  www.balance360.com/servlet/StoreFront I love 
> > mine and it was developed by a surfer.  It is quite a bit more of a 
> > challenge than my roller boards.
> > 
> > I dreamed about the slack line for years, but was afraid that it was too 
> > wild and I would end up unable to play guitar after a fall.  At a recent 
> > private party gig their college age kids rigged one up and I was able to 
> > experience that it can be very stable, and although challenging, it is not 
> > wildly unpredictable.  You can set it up low and if you lose balance just 
> > step off.  But the focused mind thrill of putting your foot on that tape is 
> > wonderful.  I might as well be over Niagara in my own imagination.  It is 
> > easy to set up and take down too.  I got the Gibbon one with some rubber 
> > coating which is their easiest one.  Yeah, EASIEST!  Of course the young 
> > uns are doing wild tricks on them as usual.  The invincibility of youth!
> > 
> > Happy waves my friend.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Looking forward to the new CD.
> > > 
> > > Jai
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From Fiona Apple's new CD, it rocks.
> > > > 
> > > > I was such a fan of her first two, such great lyrics. 
> > > > 
> > > > "And when I think of it, my fingers turn to fists
> > > > I never did anything to you, man
> > > > But no matter what I try, you'll beat me with your bitter lies
> > > > So call me crazy, hold me down, make me cry
> > > > Get off now, baby
> > > > It won't be long
> > > > Till you'll be lyin' limp in your own hands"
> > > > 
> > > > From Limp on her 1996 debut album, Tidal.
> > > > 
> > > > Her third was over produced and I couldn't get past it, so I probably 
> > > > missed out on some more great lyrics, but oh well, if you serve up too 
> > > > many synthesizers, I have to bail.
> > > > 
> > > > This new one is minimalistic and lets her voice...
> > > > 
> > > > minor digression, her voice is a feral creature.  It draws you in and 
> > > > you can't help but reach out your hand touch that sumptuous fur, the 
> > > > way it catches the light, you know you shouldn't but...
> > > > then she flashes her blazing green eyes and slashes out at you with an 
> > > > intensity that puts you back on your heels.  Don't F with this kitty 
> > > > mister. Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry for the self indulgence,the last word in that sentence about her 
> > > > voice is "soar". I love her voice, it never bores me or loses me with 
> > > > jazz runs that were stuck in to show what a vocal badass she is.  Even 
> > > > when she is rasping out some intense emotion her voice has textures 
&

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Modest Proposal For The Coming FFL Posting Week

[marekreavis]

Well, Buck, I can't say I agree with your position, but thankfully,  you hold 
no position of power or influence to effect any of the changes you might wish 
to inflict on your community. Perhaps your underlying intentions are good but 
surely you remember the old saw about the road to hell being "paved with good 
intentions". Although you don't agree with him, don't you believe that Bevan is 
acting with the best of intentions?

>From what I have read and understood of Elias Hicks, I don't see that your 
>mission and his are the same, nor do I feel that he would endorse your views 
>of how to promote the public good. Intolerance, whether religious or 
>political, is both fear based and ultimately corrosive. 

Anyway, good luck with your meditations and with your health. I appreciate that 
you answered my questions to the degree that you felt you could.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, here is one question, Buck: do you feel that your own experiences 
> > justify forcing others to act in accordance?
> >
> 
> Yes, and by the science too.  The more strict meditator inside me says that 
> by all the pilot studies of science also that having more people in 
> meditation would be worth the public policy to achieve this for the community 
> good at large.  There evidently is a place for less libertarian 
> permissiveness and more communal spiritual discipline when it comes to 
> meditation in balance and resolution.  Have you meditated today?  The science 
> shows that the sacrifice of meditation would be good for everyone.  That's my 
> experience too.  Hasten the day, let's do what we have to do to make this 
> happen.  
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> 
>  
> > And another: what makes an internal experience "spiritual"? Is it how the 
> > person who has that experience chooses to categorize it, or is there some 
> > other outward manifestation that outside observers, not having that 
> > experience themselves, can look at and agree that there are hallmarks of 
> > spirituality?*
> > 
> > And that question comes back to my first, because for me the use of force 
> > and violence, and the expressions of anger and intolerance are themselves 
> > hallmarks of the lack of spirituality.
> > 
> > So that's why I was asking about how you would reconcile Hicks' Quietist 
> > movement with your own expressions that seem, at least to me, to be 
> > diametrically opposed.
> > 
> > *(And by outward manifestations, I'm not referring to lower blood pressure 
> > and better grades or that type of thing, but an individual's expressions of 
> > happiness, satisfaction, altruism, compassion, truthfulness, generosity, 
> > holiness, etc.; the types of things that would be indicative of an 
> > exemplary character.)
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buck, Elias Hicks seems like a cool dude; what lessons do you draw from 
> > > > his life and teachings? Do you feel that his Quietist doctrine is 
> > > > compatible with your (apparently sincere) proposal to round people up 
> > > > for forced rounding in the domes and arresting TMO leaders for not 
> > > > administering the movement in accord with your personal thoughts? Are 
> > > > those positions reconcilable?
> > > > 
> > > > ***
> > > 
> > > Marek, Yes, we got (spiritual) experience, scriptural doctrine, and in 
> > > modern times now the science is pretty evident too to justify a new 
> > > public and spiritual policy.  I know my own experience with it; however 
> > > I'm open to and will listen to persuasion otherwise.  
> > > What Elias Hicks did not have in his time was the science that we now 
> > > have to defeat these broader doctrinaire religionist nuts of the world 
> > > otherwise.  However I have always taken instruction from these early 
> > > Friends (Quaker) separations over doctrinal religion for how it goes 
> > > administratively within the TM movement.  The parallels are remarkable 
> > > for how the Friends separations were handled in different places.  The 
> > > separations were always essentially over spiritual practice in experience 
> > > v dogma of someones religious or social doctrine viewpoint.  The Quakers 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: "If I'm butter then he's a hot knife"

[marekreavis]

Oh yeah, that portable tightrope appliance, but for a slackline would be 
perfect! I think I can do that pose on the Indo board; I'll let you know how it 
went later (if I'm still around to type).

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Marek,
> 
> This one;  http://vydya.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/natarajasana.png
> 
> Only mine is not so pretty since my leg doesn't go that high.  Doesn't he 
> look like he is about to go "Beep Beep" and take off to avoid Wiley Coyote?
> 
> Yes, between two trees.  I use old rug scraps to protect the tree and the 
> line and have read that the tree protectors they sell aren't worth it.  
> 
> I've been eyeballing this for years:
> 
> http://trapezerigging.com/PortableTightrope/
> 
> I need one for my living room!  I think now I can get a handy buddy with a 
> welding torch to put this together much cheaper with for my slackline.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis, I agree. I've gotten pretty complacent with my Indo board and 
> > starting up a new balance challenge is something that I look forward to. 
> > I'm not sure if I can do any part of the tandava on the Indo board, so I'll 
> > try that later today and see how humbled I am. Of course, every session on 
> > the waves is as humbling as humbling can be.
> > 
> > Where do you set up your slackline? Backyard on some trees, something like 
> > that?
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Marek,
> > > 
> > > I have the fat board.  The skinny board is for skaters who want to do 
> > > tricks like on their board.  I don't see how much it matters because I am 
> > > not walking all over my board,my feet are planted and I am hanging on for 
> > > dear life!  The bigger and harder the ball and the surface it is on the 
> > > more challenging it all is.  It definitely uses more diverse muscles than 
> > > standing right over the roller on our more lateral motion boards.  I 
> > > think it is really good for our ankles.  If you are a roller board fan 
> > > here is a test.  Do the Shiva Nataraj pose while balancing over the 
> > > roller long way with one foot!  Yes, I can do it, but the Nataraj pose 
> > > itself is pretty lamo at this point!  When I was a kid I used to put my 
> > > pants on while balancing on it, which requires the one foot move.
> > > 
> > > The circus guys have a version with something that looks like a bowling 
> > > ball and a board.  The thing about the 360 is that it has a circle of 
> > > wood on the bottom so things can't get completely out of hand too 
> > > quickly.  This, for my old bones, is a good thing!
> > > 
> > > Let me know how you like it, I'm sure you will enjoy adding it to your 
> > > balance bag of trick!
> > > 
> > > BTW I just made it across 15 feet of the slack line.  I am still imputing 
> > > the info into my operational memory neurons.  I guess we learn this stuff 
> > > as we sleep after we practice.  One hint, we have a strong balance point 
> > > in the center of our heal (I learned this from the Wollenda walk as they 
> > > filled in time before he crossed.) so a firm heal plant assists our 
> > > brain.  The other two points are on each side of our forefoot forming 
> > > sort of a triangle with our heel. When walking a wire or tape we need to 
> > > give our brains the heel input even though it may be tempting to use our 
> > > wider forefoot as the plant.  You can start there, but to get on the next 
> > > step you have to get that heel dug in to move forward.
> > > 
> > > One great challenging thing is that for all my balance board work, I 
> > > totally suck at this new challenge out of the gate!  Don't you love that 
> > > humbling feeling?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The 360s look pretty cool, and difficult, too. When I'm actually 
> > > > working on my Indo board rather than using it unconsciously while I'm 
> > > > doing something else, I'll put the center line of the board on the edge 
> > > > of the roller so that it pivots in a more eccentric fashion, forcing me 
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "If I'm butter then he's a hot knife"

[marekreavis]

Curtis, I agree. I've gotten pretty complacent with my Indo board and starting 
up a new balance challenge is something that I look forward to. I'm not sure if 
I can do any part of the tandava on the Indo board, so I'll try that later 
today and see how humbled I am. Of course, every session on the waves is as 
humbling as humbling can be.

Where do you set up your slackline? Backyard on some trees, something like that?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Marek,
> 
> I have the fat board.  The skinny board is for skaters who want to do tricks 
> like on their board.  I don't see how much it matters because I am not 
> walking all over my board,my feet are planted and I am hanging on for dear 
> life!  The bigger and harder the ball and the surface it is on the more 
> challenging it all is.  It definitely uses more diverse muscles than standing 
> right over the roller on our more lateral motion boards.  I think it is 
> really good for our ankles.  If you are a roller board fan here is a test.  
> Do the Shiva Nataraj pose while balancing over the roller long way with one 
> foot!  Yes, I can do it, but the Nataraj pose itself is pretty lamo at this 
> point!  When I was a kid I used to put my pants on while balancing on it, 
> which requires the one foot move.
> 
> The circus guys have a version with something that looks like a bowling ball 
> and a board.  The thing about the 360 is that it has a circle of wood on the 
> bottom so things can't get completely out of hand too quickly.  This, for my 
> old bones, is a good thing!
> 
> Let me know how you like it, I'm sure you will enjoy adding it to your 
> balance bag of trick!
> 
> BTW I just made it across 15 feet of the slack line.  I am still imputing the 
> info into my operational memory neurons.  I guess we learn this stuff as we 
> sleep after we practice.  One hint, we have a strong balance point in the 
> center of our heal (I learned this from the Wollenda walk as they filled in 
> time before he crossed.) so a firm heal plant assists our brain.  The other 
> two points are on each side of our forefoot forming sort of a triangle with 
> our heel. When walking a wire or tape we need to give our brains the heel 
> input even though it may be tempting to use our wider forefoot as the plant.  
> You can start there, but to get on the next step you have to get that heel 
> dug in to move forward.
> 
> One great challenging thing is that for all my balance board work, I totally 
> suck at this new challenge out of the gate!  Don't you love that humbling 
> feeling?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > The 360s look pretty cool, and difficult, too. When I'm actually working on 
> > my Indo board rather than using it unconsciously while I'm doing something 
> > else, I'll put the center line of the board on the edge of the roller so 
> > that it pivots in a more eccentric fashion, forcing me to focus and respond 
> > to unexpected movements. But standing on top of a 7" mini-basketball looks 
> > to be an impressive challenge and I'll get one and see what I can do.  
> > 
> > Do you have a fat board or a skinny board? What are the differences, if you 
> > know? There wasn't anything I saw on the site that articulated why one 
> > might be more or less preferable than the other.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nice to hear your voice again on FFL, Curtis. I just read a similarly 
> > > > positive review of Ms. Apple in this week's New Yorker. It was actually 
> > > > a double review of both her and Norah Jones. 
> > > > 
> > > > Kudos on getting into slackline, too. I've been thinking of doing that 
> > > > for years after I first saw some folks at Joshua Tree walking that 
> > > > walk. I use an Indo board at home while I'm talking on the phone or 
> > > > brushing my teeth just to keep me working on my balance and core 
> > > > muscles but slackline seems like another intriguing way of working the 
> > > > body.
> > > 
> > > Nice to hear from you too Marek.  I love all things related to balance 
> > > and admire your surfing as the ultimate balance challenge.  I have used a 
> > > roller board since I was a kid.  Have you seen this version of a board on 
> > > a ball for a 360 challenge? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Modest Proposal For The Coming FFL Posting Week

[marekreavis]

Hey, Jason. I'm not sure if I would characterize the promotion of large group 
meditation as a lie, but it's never been appealing or felt beneficial to me 
personally. And, again for me, the larger the group the less value my own 
meditation seemed to be.

However, to be fair, it's been many years since I've done a group meditation. 
Perhaps my experience would be different now, though I doubt it.  And I long 
ago discontinued the TM-sidhi practice. The only ones I really liked were the 
first three, anyway.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Marek, sometimes I feel that the biggest lie propounded by 
> the TM-org is that the group meditation is beneficial.  The 
> dynamics of such groupings is disruptive to the individual 
> progress of the meditator.
> 
> ---  "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Well, here is one question, Buck: do you feel that your  
> > own experiences justify forcing others to act in  
> > accordance?
> > 
> > And another: what makes an internal experience 
> > "spiritual"? Is it how the person who has that experience 
> > chooses to categorize it, or is there some other outward  
> > manifestation that outside observers, not having that  
> > experience themselves, can look at and agree that there  
> > are hallmarks of spirituality?*
> > 
> > And that question comes back to my first, because for me  
> > the use of force and violence, and the expressions of  
> > anger and intolerance are themselves hallmarks of the lack 
> > of spirituality.
> > 
> > So that's why I was asking about how you would reconcile  
> > Hicks' Quietist movement with your own expressions that  
> > seem, at least to me, to be diametrically opposed.
> > 
> > *(And by outward manifestations, I'm not referring to  
> > lower blood pressure and better grades or that type of  
> > thing, but an individual's expressions of happiness,  
> > satisfaction, altruism, compassion, truthfulness,  
> > generosity, holiness, etc.; the types of things that would 
> > be indicative of an exemplary character.)
> > ***
> > > 
> > > ---  "marekreavis"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buck, Elias Hicks seems like a cool dude; what lessons do you draw from 
> > > > his life and teachings? Do you feel that his Quietist doctrine is 
> > > > compatible with your (apparently sincere) proposal to round people up 
> > > > for forced rounding in the domes and arresting TMO leaders for not 
> > > > administering the movement in accord with your personal thoughts? Are 
> > > > those positions reconcilable?
> > > > 
> > > > ***
> > > 
> > ---  "Buck"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Marek, Yes, we got (spiritual) experience, scriptural doctrine, and in 
> > > modern times now the science is pretty evident too to justify a new 
> > > public and spiritual policy.  I know my own experience with it; however 
> > > I'm open to and will listen to persuasion otherwise.  
> > > What Elias Hicks did not have in his time was the science that we now 
> > > have to defeat these broader doctrinaire religionist nuts of the world 
> > > otherwise.  However I have always taken instruction from these early 
> > > Friends (Quaker) separations over doctrinal religion for how it goes 
> > > administratively within the TM movement.  The parallels are remarkable 
> > > for how the Friends separations were handled in different places.  The 
> > > separations were always essentially over spiritual practice in experience 
> > > v dogma of someones religious or social doctrine viewpoint.  The Quakers 
> > > for their manifest spiritual experience certainly got in a lot of trouble 
> > > from and were targets of other religionists.   The separations as they 
> > > came to butting heads were of Gnostic or Quietists v rigid doctrinaire 
> > > incursion in to the Society of Friends. The Friends meetings more simply 
> > > were gatherings for group meditation as with the Meissner Effect (ME) as 
> > > we would know it.  The Friends organization came in to being for 
> > > facilitating that group meditation experience as practice.  The doctrinal 
> > > religionists trying to suppress or take over the simple organization in 
> > > reaction.  It is still playing out within TM between progressive 
> > > spiritual elements of the Hagelin camp on the one hand and a more 
> > > doctrinal 'preservationist' element of the Bevan camp on the other hand.
> > > -Buck  
> > > 
> > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "If I'm butter then he's a hot knife"

[marekreavis]

The 360s look pretty cool, and difficult, too. When I'm actually working on my 
Indo board rather than using it unconsciously while I'm doing something else, 
I'll put the center line of the board on the edge of the roller so that it 
pivots in a more eccentric fashion, forcing me to focus and respond to 
unexpected movements. But standing on top of a 7" mini-basketball looks to be 
an impressive challenge and I'll get one and see what I can do.  

Do you have a fat board or a skinny board? What are the differences, if you 
know? There wasn't anything I saw on the site that articulated why one might be 
more or less preferable than the other.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Nice to hear your voice again on FFL, Curtis. I just read a similarly 
> > positive review of Ms. Apple in this week's New Yorker. It was actually a 
> > double review of both her and Norah Jones. 
> > 
> > Kudos on getting into slackline, too. I've been thinking of doing that for 
> > years after I first saw some folks at Joshua Tree walking that walk. I use 
> > an Indo board at home while I'm talking on the phone or brushing my teeth 
> > just to keep me working on my balance and core muscles but slackline seems 
> > like another intriguing way of working the body.
> 
> Nice to hear from you too Marek.  I love all things related to balance and 
> admire your surfing as the ultimate balance challenge.  I have used a roller 
> board since I was a kid.  Have you seen this version of a board on a ball for 
> a 360 challenge?  www.balance360.com/servlet/StoreFront I love mine and it 
> was developed by a surfer.  It is quite a bit more of a challenge than my 
> roller boards.
> 
> I dreamed about the slack line for years, but was afraid that it was too wild 
> and I would end up unable to play guitar after a fall.  At a recent private 
> party gig their college age kids rigged one up and I was able to experience 
> that it can be very stable, and although challenging, it is not wildly 
> unpredictable.  You can set it up low and if you lose balance just step off.  
> But the focused mind thrill of putting your foot on that tape is wonderful.  
> I might as well be over Niagara in my own imagination.  It is easy to set up 
> and take down too.  I got the Gibbon one with some rubber coating which is 
> their easiest one.  Yeah, EASIEST!  Of course the young uns are doing wild 
> tricks on them as usual.  The invincibility of youth!
> 
> Happy waves my friend.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Looking forward to the new CD.
> > 
> > Jai
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > From Fiona Apple's new CD, it rocks.
> > > 
> > > I was such a fan of her first two, such great lyrics. 
> > > 
> > > "And when I think of it, my fingers turn to fists
> > > I never did anything to you, man
> > > But no matter what I try, you'll beat me with your bitter lies
> > > So call me crazy, hold me down, make me cry
> > > Get off now, baby
> > > It won't be long
> > > Till you'll be lyin' limp in your own hands"
> > > 
> > > From Limp on her 1996 debut album, Tidal.
> > > 
> > > Her third was over produced and I couldn't get past it, so I probably 
> > > missed out on some more great lyrics, but oh well, if you serve up too 
> > > many synthesizers, I have to bail.
> > > 
> > > This new one is minimalistic and lets her voice...
> > > 
> > > minor digression, her voice is a feral creature.  It draws you in and you 
> > > can't help but reach out your hand touch that sumptuous fur, the way it 
> > > catches the light, you know you shouldn't but...
> > > then she flashes her blazing green eyes and slashes out at you with an 
> > > intensity that puts you back on your heels.  Don't F with this kitty 
> > > mister. Hi!
> > > 
> > > Sorry for the self indulgence,the last word in that sentence about her 
> > > voice is "soar". I love her voice, it never bores me or loses me with 
> > > jazz runs that were stuck in to show what a vocal badass she is.  Even 
> > > when she is rasping out some intense emotion her voice has textures that 
> > > draw me in while whipping my emotional ass.  (Yes I know all this is 
> > > doing it proving that I am about one eighth as clever as

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Modest Proposal For The Coming FFL Posting Week

[marekreavis]

Well, here is one question, Buck: do you feel that your own experiences justify 
forcing others to act in accordance?

And another: what makes an internal experience "spiritual"? Is it how the 
person who has that experience chooses to categorize it, or is there some other 
outward manifestation that outside observers, not having that experience 
themselves, can look at and agree that there are hallmarks of spirituality?*

And that question comes back to my first, because for me the use of force and 
violence, and the expressions of anger and intolerance are themselves hallmarks 
of the lack of spirituality.

So that's why I was asking about how you would reconcile Hicks' Quietist 
movement with your own expressions that seem, at least to me, to be 
diametrically opposed.

*(And by outward manifestations, I'm not referring to lower blood pressure and 
better grades or that type of thing, but an individual's expressions of 
happiness, satisfaction, altruism, compassion, truthfulness, generosity, 
holiness, etc.; the types of things that would be indicative of an exemplary 
character.)
***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > Buck, Elias Hicks seems like a cool dude; what lessons do you draw from his 
> > life and teachings? Do you feel that his Quietist doctrine is compatible 
> > with your (apparently sincere) proposal to round people up for forced 
> > rounding in the domes and arresting TMO leaders for not administering the 
> > movement in accord with your personal thoughts? Are those positions 
> > reconcilable?
> > 
> > ***
> 
> Marek, Yes, we got (spiritual) experience, scriptural doctrine, and in modern 
> times now the science is pretty evident too to justify a new public and 
> spiritual policy.  I know my own experience with it; however I'm open to and 
> will listen to persuasion otherwise.  
> What Elias Hicks did not have in his time was the science that we now have to 
> defeat these broader doctrinaire religionist nuts of the world otherwise.  
> However I have always taken instruction from these early Friends (Quaker) 
> separations over doctrinal religion for how it goes administratively within 
> the TM movement.  The parallels are remarkable for how the Friends 
> separations were handled in different places.  The separations were always 
> essentially over spiritual practice in experience v dogma of someones 
> religious or social doctrine viewpoint.  The Quakers for their manifest 
> spiritual experience certainly got in a lot of trouble from and were targets 
> of other religionists.   The separations as they came to butting heads were 
> of Gnostic or Quietists v rigid doctrinaire incursion in to the Society of 
> Friends. The Friends meetings more simply were gatherings for group 
> meditation as with the Meissner Effect (ME) as we would know it.  The Friends 
> organization came in to being for facilitating that group meditation 
> experience as practice.  The doctrinal religionists trying to suppress or 
> take over the simple organization in reaction.  It is still playing out 
> within TM between progressive spiritual elements of the Hagelin camp on the 
> one hand and a more doctrinal 'preservationist' element of the Bevan camp on 
> the other hand.
> -Buck  
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > A modest proposal for FFL, be still. 
> > > Come to meditation. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > !Jai Elias Hicks!
> > > 
> > > Wiki entry 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Hicks 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Peace, be still." This command and requisition was made 
> > > > > > > > > > > upon a former, occasion; and I apprehend it will apply 
> > > > > > > > > > > fully to us. I believe there can be no occasion to demand 
> > > > > > > > > > > it more than the present one. The comfort and improvement 
> > > > > > > > > > > of this large assembly depends principally upon it. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it becomes our duty individually, to labour to 
> > > > > > > > > > > be still

[FairfieldLife] Re: "If I'm butter then he's a hot knife"

[marekreavis]

Nice to hear your voice again on FFL, Curtis. I just read a similarly positive 
review of Ms. Apple in this week's New Yorker. It was actually a double review 
of both her and Norah Jones. 

Kudos on getting into slackline, too. I've been thinking of doing that for 
years after I first saw some folks at Joshua Tree walking that walk. I use an 
Indo board at home while I'm talking on the phone or brushing my teeth just to 
keep me working on my balance and core muscles but slackline seems like another 
intriguing way of working the body.

Looking forward to the new CD.

Jai

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> From Fiona Apple's new CD, it rocks.
> 
> I was such a fan of her first two, such great lyrics. 
> 
> "And when I think of it, my fingers turn to fists
> I never did anything to you, man
> But no matter what I try, you'll beat me with your bitter lies
> So call me crazy, hold me down, make me cry
> Get off now, baby
> It won't be long
> Till you'll be lyin' limp in your own hands"
> 
> From Limp on her 1996 debut album, Tidal.
> 
> Her third was over produced and I couldn't get past it, so I probably missed 
> out on some more great lyrics, but oh well, if you serve up too many 
> synthesizers, I have to bail.
> 
> This new one is minimalistic and lets her voice...
> 
> minor digression, her voice is a feral creature.  It draws you in and you 
> can't help but reach out your hand touch that sumptuous fur, the way it 
> catches the light, you know you shouldn't but...
> then she flashes her blazing green eyes and slashes out at you with an 
> intensity that puts you back on your heels.  Don't F with this kitty mister. 
> Hi!
> 
> Sorry for the self indulgence,the last word in that sentence about her voice 
> is "soar". I love her voice, it never bores me or loses me with jazz runs 
> that were stuck in to show what a vocal badass she is.  Even when she is 
> rasping out some intense emotion her voice has textures that draw me in while 
> whipping my emotional ass.  (Yes I know all this is doing it proving that I 
> am about one eighth as clever as she is with words, but in my defense I was 
> hindered by not being named after the fruit that caused The Fall of Man, so 
> expectations should be lowered shouldn't they?)
> 
> I dig her for the same reason I dig raw acoustic blues, it is the genuine 
> human article, but elevated by art into something universal so we can all 
> say, "hey how did they get so far inside me that they are singing MY song 
> here?"
> 
> To the nay sayers:
> 
> I know she made a speech at the Grammies that told young people not to pay 
> attention to what any of the people there say because their world isn't 
> "real", and she seemed a bit ungrateful and pompous and well, angry for a 21 
> year old who was receiving popular music's highest honor.  But she explained 
> herself so well on Howard's old radio show that I get it.  She was freak'n 21 
> years old and receiving popular music's highest honor.
> 
> How are you SUPPOSED to react as an ultra sensitive songwriter whose stock 
> and trade is exposing her insides (including intestines) to the outside 
> (uncaring and often dickish) world. Plus she IS often pissed off, and that 
> doesn't thrill her much either.
> 
> She did a great job explaining her songwriting to Tarantino on the show 
> Iconoclasts.   I think her singing with the acoustic bluegrass band Nickle 
> Creek helped her find the voice she displays on this album and increased her 
> comfort with the stripped-down acoustic sound.  I would love to hear her 
> voice backed by some sexy slithery slide guitar and then after our late night 
> recording session she says, "Hey, I'm starved, want to grab a bite?", but 
> everything is closed so we end up at her place where I turn her last night's 
> leftover pasta into a fabulous Florentinian Fritatta and she swears it is the 
> BEST thing she EVER ate...whoa, did I just say that all out loud?
> 
> So anywho...I dig her CD and hope you do to.
> 
> SUMMER REPORT:
> 
> While I'm here for this drive by...
> 
> I'm working on my third CD and have most of the songs written and am not 
> comparing them to Fiona's at all, so I am happy with them.
> 
> Inspired by Nik Wollenda's walk across Niagara Falls (Check out Marlyn 
> Monroe's 1953 movie of that same name, wicked noir!) I am training on a slack 
> line.  It gives the thrill challenge of moving balance while only a few feet 
> off the ground.  Expect an announcement of my walk between MUM's golden 
> mamary domes as soon as I can stay on the infernal thing for more than a few 
> steps.
> 
> I have carved my goatee toward the Johnny Depp direction so that upon meeting 
> me, people have been duly warned:
> 
> I am completely unhinged.
> 
> I would like to end with an uplifting "Life is La Di Da" quote from Fiona's 
> new CD...
> 
> but there really isn't any.  This will have to serve.
> 
> "We could still support each other, all w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pleasures of the table

[marekreavis]

Yes, very sweet and very French. And not too shabby for a third-year student, 
either. Lots of nice touches, like spinning the knife in zero-gravity and 
sending the carrot through the rotating blade.

An abundant joie de vivre, for sure, something apparently in short supply these 
days on FFL. 

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"  wrote:
> >
> > A two-minute animation that shows the delight of dining no 
> > matter where you might be.
> > 
> > http://vimeo.com/41235461
> 
> Sweet. And so French. If you didn't get it, the title
> is "One small plate for a man," an obvious play on 
> the first words spoken on the moon. 
> 
> And the collection of wines is just SO French. Even 
> long-haul truckers in France are allowed a glass of 
> wine (but only one) with their lunches or dinners. A
> law that did not allow this would be considered 
> barbaric. Their astronauts would require the same
> consideration.
>

[FairfieldLife] Pleasures of the table

[marekreavis]

A two-minute animation that shows the delight of dining no matter where you 
might be.

http://vimeo.com/41235461

***

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Modest Proposal For The Coming FFL Posting Week

[marekreavis]

Buck, Elias Hicks seems like a cool dude; what lessons do you draw from his 
life and teachings? Do you feel that his Quietist doctrine is compatible with 
your (apparently sincere) proposal to round people up for forced rounding in 
the domes and arresting TMO leaders for not administering the movement in 
accord with your personal thoughts? Are those positions reconcilable?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> A modest proposal for FFL, be still. 
> Come to meditation. 
> 
> 
> !Jai Elias Hicks!
> 
> Wiki entry 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Hicks 
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Peace, be still." This command and requisition was made upon 
> > > > > > > > > a former, occasion; and I apprehend it will apply fully to 
> > > > > > > > > us. I believe there can be no occasion to demand it more than 
> > > > > > > > > the present one. The comfort and improvement of this large 
> > > > > > > > > assembly depends principally upon it. Therefore, it becomes 
> > > > > > > > > our duty individually, to labour to be still. And, in the 
> > > > > > > > > first place, we are to still our bodies. This is a work that 
> > > > > > > > > seems in a degree to be comprehended in our power as human 
> > > > > > > > > and creatures; hence this is the first step. For we must 
> > > > > > > > > always do what we can, rightly and justly; for it is by this 
> > > > > > > > > right labour, and industry, that there is something to 
> > > > > > > > > receive the divine blessing upon.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Peace be Still,
> > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > But this is not enough, my friends,--we must endeavour to have 
> > > > > > > > our minds still. And here is a much greater work, which it is 
> > > > > > > > beyond the power of man to effect of himself. And this shows us 
> > > > > > > > the necessity of individually endeavouring to get our bodies 
> > > > > > > > still, that so we may retire to that fountain of strength, 
> > > > > > > > which only can enable us to experience our minds to be brought 
> > > > > > > > into stillness--into silent prostration before the King of 
> > > > > > > > heaven, the Unified Field.
> > > > > > > > Peace,
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And we are not to stop here neither, my friends. There is that 
> > > > > > > "little member voice, that no man," the apostle says, "has 
> > > > > > > tamed;" although men may have tamed all the brute creation--and 
> > > > > > > that is the tongue. It is a little voice; but, as he says, "it is 
> > > > > > > an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." It is like a fire, "and 
> > > > > > > it is set on fire of hell." Now there is nothing that can enable 
> > > > > > > us to keep this quiet and silent, but as we bow in perfect 
> > > > > > > submission to the divine will of Nature, to time manifestation of 
> > > > > > > the grace of that Unified Field in our own souls; and without 
> > > > > > > this, we cannot use it in a proper manner.
> > > > > > > Peace 
> > > > > > > be still,
> > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Therewith bless we the Unified Field; and therewith curse we men, 
> > > > > > which are made after the similitude of God." And we know, that it 
> > > > > > does happen among the children of men, that they usurp, as it were, 
> > > > > > the throne of God, and impeach their fellow Creatures and give 
> > > > > > sentence upon them; and, as far as the tongue can do it, send them 
> > > > > > down to the bottomless pit of perdition.  "My brethren, these 
> > > > > > things ought not so to be." And it is an evidence to us what state 
> > > > > > we must come to experience, before we can effect the great purpose 
> > > > > > for which we are assembled; which is no less, I apprehend, as to 
> > > > > > time general motive, than to present ourselves before time Almighty 
> > > > > > Creator of the universe, the Unified Field, the giver of every good 
> > > > > > and perfect gift, and to wait on it, and worship it in spirit and 
> > > > > > in truth.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > But none can worship it, till all these unruly passions, all these 
> > disturbances and troubles, that naturally attend men and women in their 
> > natural state, are all brought down into entire subjection to the divine 
> > will, and until there is a complete sense of this greatness, and of our 
> > nothingness. Here it is, that we are brought into a condition to learn of 
> > it. For what will it avail any of us, to come and sit down thus together, 
> > to be led, and guided, and instructed in the way of salvation, if we do not 
> > gather into a state, whereby and wherein we calm be instructed--into a 
> > situation in which we can hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches? And 

[FairfieldLife] "Much Better Now"

[marekreavis]

A 6-minute animation, wonderful in every way.

http://muchbetternow.salonalpin.net/film.html

[FairfieldLife] "Against Positive Thinking" - embracing uncertainty

[marekreavis]

An interesting book, perhaps, and a delightful animated trailer.

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/06/21/oliver-burkeman-the-antidote/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Surf Report

[marekreavis]

Share, I guess you get your FFL messages in your email? I just go to the 
website at groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife and read it in my browser.

So . . . on the homepage there is a photo of the square in Fairfield that shows 
how many "new" messages in the last 7 days, any "new" photos posted during the 
last 7 days, and "new questions" that I'm unsure as to what they are.

Hope that helps. The photos are that big of a deal; I just like to post 
something about surfing from time to time because I dig it so much and this is 
such a beautiful place, etc.

Jai

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> homepage?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: marekreavis 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's Surf Report
>  
> 
>   
> Hey, Share. The photos show up at the homepage if you click on "new photos" 
> and they are in an album titled "Moonset at Camel Rock" originally created 
> when we showed up to surf there one morning in March, I believe, and the full 
> moon was just setting as we caught our first waves of the day.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Sigh, still land locked in FF.
> > 
> > 
> > But wonderful to get reports from beyond (-:
> > 
> > 
> > Where are uploaded photos?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: marekreavis 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:14 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Today's Surf Report
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Tide conditions promoted Camel Rock as this morning's default surfbreak. 
> > I've uploaded two photos of Camel Rock and Trinidad Head rising above the 
> > fog this morning around 5:30 when my buddy, Ric, and I were the first in 
> > the water. 
> > 
> > We had the waves to ourselves for the first 45 minutes or so and it was a 
> > very good session even though the water was a chilly 48. We surfed 
> > fast-moving, head-high breaking waves and as the sun began to crest the 
> > bluffs behind us the crown of Camel Rock glowed in the first rays' light. 
> > Larger breakers a few hundred yards south of us caught the rising sun's 
> > light while we were still in shadow. Their crests were the purest golden 
> > white with broad emerald shoulders. The sun finally found us right as we 
> > caught the last waves of the morning before heading back home and to work.
> > 
> > There's another photo posted of a beach break in Southern Humboldt that I 
> > drove to on Sunday.
> >
>