[FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Akasha 108 writes: That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. Tom T writes: Having participated in Satsang here with at least 35+ awake FF residents there seems to be a common level of feeling of wholeness. Some prefer fullness, completeness, doneness or something like that where they feel fulfillment. Maybe it is the cessation of an itch that could never be scratched. When in the company of those describing how it is for them, even though they may use a feeling that may be different than wholeness. One who is awake knows they are describing that which can not be described but is certainly genuine and is known internally to be that common level of feeling. This is the best I can do on this one. Some see it as non-doer and others as I am the primal doer in either case the common feeling of wholeness seems to be that commonality. Tom T PS I will be out of town and off line till July 5. Enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Hi Akasha, great to see you back. Hope you are well. On Jun 15, 2005, at 9:29 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC baby awakening. Tom is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CC being baby steps and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as to why there was nothing baby about it. But with Sat Yuga and all, maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you previous called huge epistimological mistakes! and laughing it away. It's funny when you see these parrotings of TMO doctrine. What's so funny is that most aren't even aware that to a Samkhya practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E! Really all that can be said is that this is the POV of Mahesh Yogi (this CC opinion)--because it certainly does not represent any lineal transmission. Most hilarious is the whole idea that there is a transition from CC to GC to UC. GC or Bhagavata-chetana is the style of enlightenment described by the Bhagavatins. The Bhagavatins were Vaishnavite Bhaktis--devotional practitioners from the cult of Vishnu! This is why when you study and practice from the perspective of the Shankaracharya trad. you will NOT find GC as part of any continuum of enlightenment. What these represent are different POV's--different darshanas. Advaita does show a path beyond turiyatita to videha-mukti (UC) but it ain't anything like M. claims. The idea of 7 states of consciousness is a fabrication of M.'s opinions. Seven may have been a more marketable concept than six, but the idea that these 7 states represent a continuum is a novelty of Mahesh. On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'? Do you feel No I is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the experience CC? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does seems there are additional attributes along with or beyond the experience of No I. Actually turiyatita or CC is said to occur with the complete DISSOLUTION of mind. Merely ceasing to identify with the mind would give a glimpse of CC perhaps, not the end result. The methods to perform this dissolution are not taught in the TMO so therefore it is crucial, if we are to maintain the illusion that the TM/TMSP actually can lead to enlightenment, that other false or novel ideas be presented. -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Akasha 108 writes: Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening at the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold leaf topping? Tom T writes: Welcome back again Akasha. I have missed our little exchanges. Actually I think that I was claiming that there are about 7 trillion flavors in the Awakening/Ice cream store. About as many as there needs to be to allow all to have the unique experience they need to have to wake up. Seems to be pretty straightforward to me that IT is filtered through each unique set of DNA, why wouldn't it have to be unique for each. See you all next week. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Yes, utterly unique and utterly the same. Someone talks about their enlightenment experiences and another person with enlightenment experiences says yes! yes! There is an innate recognition that the "same thing" is being discussed.tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes:Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening at the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla isreally the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudgeblueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with goldleaf topping?Tom T writes: Welcome back again Akasha. I have missed our littleexchanges. Actually I think that I was claiming that there are about 7trillion flavors in the Awakening/Ice cream store. About as many asthere needs to be to allow all to have the unique experience they needto have to wake up. Seems to be pretty straightforward to me that ITis filtered through each unique set of DNA, why wouldn't it have to beunique for each. See you all next week. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CC is baby awakening. Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of I and me. Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC baby awakening. Tom is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CC being baby steps and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as to why there was nothing baby about it. But with Sat Yuga and all, maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you previous called huge epistimological mistakes! and laughing it away. On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'? Do you feel No I is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the experience CC? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does seems there are additional attributes along with or beyond the experience of No I. Though as you know I am no fan or labeling any experience or person with such labels, it seems that if one does enjoy that exercise, they may be jumping the gun a bit to ring the bell of Eureka of CC simple when experience no I. But as people often remind me that I know nothing, I tend to agree. Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening at the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold leaf topping? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Some responses below:akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: CC is "baby" awakening. Cessation of identification of consciousness with mind. End of "I" and "me". Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC "baby awakening". Tomis going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CCbeing "baby steps" and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as towhy there was nothing "baby" about it. But with Sat Yuga and all,maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what youprevious called "huge epistimological mistakes!" and laughing it away. That's your karma with Tom, not me! I call it "baby" because it is the first step in Consciousness awakening to itself. No more localization of consciousness. The localization produces the "I". There are still some pretty pernicious mental habits that the mind engages in (ala Suzanne Segal). Primarily it continues to seek a feeling of a limited self but nothing can be found. On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as "Cessation ofidentification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'"? Doyou feel "No I" is both nexcessary and sufficient to label theexperience "CC"? The concepts that MMY uses to talk about CC are very effective in understanding the "experience" that has been present since that fine Spring day walking out of the dome. I don't think it isuseful to label experiences like this as "being in" CC/GC/UC, etc.. But the concepts of these various states of consciousness are effective in deepening the understanding. Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does seemsthere are additional "attributes" along with or beyond the experienceof "No I". Infinite flavors as it were. Though as you know I am no fan or labeling any experience or personwith such labels, it seems that if one does enjoy that exercise, theymay be jumping the gun a bit to "ring the bell of Eureka" of CC simplewhen experience "no I". But as people often remind me that I knownothing, I tend to agree. We don't know anything at all! A state of wonder when the mind stops and doesn't know.Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening atthe Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla isreally the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudgeblueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with goldleaf topping? It's all ice cream! -Peter To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
