[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FYI-- I just verified that the Yahoo advanced search isn't very accurate-- I hand-counted my posts from the beginning of Sept.8th until now and the total is 39, not including this one. However, if I use the Yahoo advanced search, I get a total of 34, not including this one. This is correct. Out of curiosity, I did my own hand-count of your posts on the Message List on the Web site after September 7, and it lists 40 of them through September 15. Five of these 40 *do not appear* on the list from the Advanced Search of your posts after September 7. Nor do they appear in the list from the Advanced Search of *all* posts on FFL after September 7. Somehow those five posts didn't get into the database or whatever it is the Advanced Search uses, even though they're right there in the Message List. I actually did a cross-check of your posts on the Message List versus those in the Advanced Search of all posts and of just your posts since September 7 to see which ones were missing from the latter two lists. The five missing posts are all from September 13, but they aren't *consecutive* posts of yours; they're scattered throughout the posts you made on that day in no apparent pattern. Bottom line: Yahoo Advanced Search is NOT reliable. Whether Yahoo's Message List is reliable, who knows? But it does list more posts than Advanced Search does, at least in this case. That's a big pain in the butt. It means that if you don't get the FFL traffic by email, to make an accurate count of your posts, you have to keep your own list (and until it becomes automatic, you're liable to forget occasionally); or you have to slog through the Message List (400-600 posts in a week) and count up the ones you made. Of course, we could just refrain from being obsessive about it and not get all bent out of shape if somebody goes over by a few posts.
RE: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out] Of course, we could just refrain from being obsessive about it and not get all bent out of shape if somebody goes over by a few posts. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a mile. I’d say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] Of course, we could just refrain from being obsessive about it and not get all bent out of shape if somebody goes over by a few posts. Give `em an inch and they'll take a mile. If they take a mile, *then* we can get all bent out of shape. I'd say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. And not much more reliable than Yahoo Search. It's too easy to forget to mark the tally sheet.
RE: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out] --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] Of course, we could just refrain from being obsessive about it and not get all bent out of shape if somebody goes over by a few posts. Give `em an inch and they'll take a mile. If they take a mile, *then* we can get all bent out of shape. I'd say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. And not much more reliable than Yahoo Search. It's too easy to forget to mark the tally sheet. Reward yourself with a jelly bean every time you use the pad. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give `em an inch and they'll take a mile. I'd say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. If a notepad and one of those pointy things that leaves marks on paper is too low-tech for you (and I understand, because over the years I've definitely come to like the keyboard better than the pen), do what we nerds do. I don't know one who doesn't keep an editor window open at all times. Just in case we need it. You might have to paste some text with weird characters or formatting indicators into it, because you want to get rid of them. Then you cut it back out and paste it into the target application as raw text. Or you might come up with a neat idea and want to jot it down. I use Editpad, which has a version you can download for free, which enable me to keep multiple pages open on the editor. One of them is called Numbers, and in it I make a mark every time I post to Fairfield Life. I Alt-Tab over to it before I post, to make sure I haven't already gone over the posting limit. I guess some could call that being obsessive. And damnit...they'd probably be right. :-) Nerds *are* obsessive. We work on these damn computer things all day, and we get compulsive sometimes about figuring out the easiest and most efficient way of doing things. This is the quickest and easiest way I've found of keeping track of the number of posts I've made to FFL. As noted recently Yahoo does not always receive and repost from its site all posts made by email; whereas other email-only subscribers see them. And vice-versa. Plus (for nerds), from a user point of view I suspect that Yahoo has an indexing cycle that's a little slow on the draw. That is, when something is posted and successfully reposted from the website, often it is half an hour or up to six hours before that post can be found using the Advanced Search feature. I think that they don't get around to *indexing* the posts in their database until some time after they insert the posts there. Occasionally they'll forget to index an entire day's posts. They're there *on* the Web reader; you can see them there. But they don't show up in response to criteria entered in the Advanced Search. Go figure. Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. And you might be surprised to find out how many great ideas you have during a day when you're only one Alt- Tab away from writing them down before they're gone.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give `em an inch and they'll take a mile. I'd say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. If a notepad and one of those pointy things that leaves marks on paper is too low-tech for you (and I understand, because over the years I've definitely come to like the keyboard better than the pen), do what we nerds do. I don't know one who doesn't keep an editor window open at all times. Just in case we need it. You might have to paste some text with weird characters or formatting indicators into it, because you want to get rid of them. Then you cut it back out and paste it into the target application as raw text. Or you might come up with a neat idea and want to jot it down. I use Editpad, which has a version you can download for free, which enables me to keep multiple pages open on the editor. One of them is called Numbers, and in it I make a mark every time I post to Fairfield Life. I Alt-Tab over to it before I post, to make sure I haven't already gone over the posting limit. I guess some could call that being obsessive. And damnit...they'd probably be right. :-) Nerds *are* obsessive. We work on these damn computer things all day, and we get compulsive sometimes about figuring out the easiest and most efficient way of doing things. This is the quickest and easiest way I've found of keeping track of the number of posts I've made to FFL. As noted recently Yahoo does not always receive and repost from its site all posts made by email; whereas other email-only subscribers see them. And vice-versa. Plus (for nerds), from a user point of view I suspect that Yahoo has an indexing cycle that's a little slow on the draw. That is, when something is posted and successfully reposted from the website, often it is half an hour or up to six hours before that post can be found using the Advanced Search feature. I think that they don't get around to *indexing* the posts in their database until some time after they insert the posts there. Occasionally they'll forget to index an entire day's posts. They're there *on* the Web reader; you can see them there. But they don't show up in response to criteria entered in the Advanced Search. Go figure. Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. And you might be surprised to find out how many great ideas you have during a day when you're only one Alt- Tab away from writing them down before they're gone.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Give `em an inch and they'll take a mile. I'd say just keep a scratch pad next to your computer and tally posts on that. Low-tech but simple. If a notepad and one of those pointy things that leaves marks on paper is too low-tech for you (and I understand, because over the years I've definitely come to like the keyboard better than the pen), do what we nerds do. I don't know one who doesn't keep an editor window open at all times. Just in case we need it. If only the editor windows could be web enabled. Not that this is some huge issue, but I work on two or three notebook (mobile) PCs every day, so anything that doesn't stay with the web is cumbersome. I suppose I could save the editor pad as a file and email it to yahoo when I move PCs, then open the email, cut and paste the new total into another editor window, but I think I will just keep using Yahoo advanced search + a fudge factor of ~5 posts as I am doing now.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out] If only the editor windows could be web enabled. Not that this is some huge issue, but I work on two or three notebook (mobile) PCs every day, so anything that doesn't stay with the web is cumbersome. I suppose I could save the editor pad as a file and email it to yahoo when I move PCs, then open the email, cut and paste the new total into another editor window, but I think I will just keep using Yahoo advanced search + a fudge factor of ~5 posts as I am doing now.:-) Google has online equivalents of the Word and Excel, so you could use the Word equivalent as a notepad, and access it from any computer: http://www.google.com/google-d-s/b1.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 9/15/2007 7:54 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
TurquoiseB wrote: Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. And you might be surprised to find out how many great ideas you have during a day when you're only one Alt- Tab away from writing them down before they're gone. Evolution Mail that comes with Ubuntu (and probably SUSE since they developed it) gives you a count of a selected range of emails so it is easy to get a count that way. I don't know why Thunderbird doesn't do this. As programmers you and I know it would be an easy feature to add but maybe nobody else is on a group that has a post limit. Lookout! (aka Outlook) has the feature too but who wants to run Windows for email. :D
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I use Editpad, which has a version you can download for free, which enable me to keep multiple pages open on the editor. Actually Windows' Notepad does very nicely for this sort of thing. Another very useful one is Magic Notes, a sticky-note program with lots of features, including alarms, that costs $15. But as I said to start with, the problem is not the lack of a means to tally posts, high- or low-tech, it's remembering to tally each post. snip Occasionally they'll forget to index an entire day's posts. They're there *on* the Web reader; you can see them there. But they don't show up in response to criteria entered in the Advanced Search. Go figure. But as I said to start with, in the case of Jim's posts last week, Yahoo didn't forget to index an entire day's posts, it forgot to index five of Jim's posts scattered throughout one day; it indexed all the rest of his posts that day. The ones that it forgot weren't even consecutive. Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. But as I said to start with, if you're not *obsessive* about going over the limit by a few posts, Yahoo's Search is likely to be as close as a hand-tally. The point of the limit, as I understand it, was to keep people from making a number of posts per week that some felt had the effect of monopolizing the conversation. It's a little difficult to argue that 40 posts per week constitutes such a monoply, but 35 posts does not. It seems to me that as long as folks keep reasonably close to the arbitrary number of 35, the purpose of the limit is being served.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. But as I said to start with, if you're not *obsessive* about going over the limit by a few posts, Yahoo's Search is likely to be as close as a hand-tally. care Pronunciation: 'ker Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English caru; akin to Old High German kara lament, Old Irish gairm call, cry, Latin garrire to chatter 1 : suffering of mind : GRIEF 2 a : a disquieted state of mixed uncertainty, apprehension, and responsibility b : a cause for such anxiety 3 : painstaking or watchful attention 4 : regard coming from desire or esteem I think that you're relating to definitions 1 and 2. Zennists and nerds might relate to definition 3. I relate to definition 4. What you call obsession I call etiquette.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Anyway, if you care about not going over the limit, a good text editor is a great way to achieve this. But as I said to start with, if you're not *obsessive* about going over the limit by a few posts, Yahoo's Search is likely to be as close as a hand-tally. care Pronunciation: 'ker Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English caru; akin to Old High German kara lament, Old Irish gairm call, cry, Latin garrire to chatter 1 : suffering of mind : GRIEF 2 a : a disquieted state of mixed uncertainty, apprehension, and responsibility b : a cause for such anxiety 3 : painstaking or watchful attention 4 : regard coming from desire or esteem I think that you're relating to definitions 1 and 2. Zennists and nerds might relate to definition 3. I relate to definition 4. What you call obsession I call etiquette. But as I said, the point of the limit, as I understand it, is to keep people from making a number of posts per week that some feel have the effect of monopolizing the conversation. It's a little difficult to argue that 40 posts per week constitutes such a monoply, but 35 posts does not. It seems to me that as long as folks keep reasonably close to the arbitrary number of 35, the purpose of the limit is being served. In other words, care in definition 4, in my view, should not require keeping to the arbitrary number of 35; etiquette is satisfied by respecting the purpose of the limit, which is not to do what some feel has the effect of monopolizing the conversation. In that context, focusing on the arbitrary number of 35 to the point where one accuses those who go over it by a few posts of being out of control, not respecting the community, feeling that they are so special that the rules don't apply to them, etc., amounts to obsession and fulfills the criteria for definitions 1 and 2. In contrast, the purpose of the current guideline concerning personal attacks is to eliminate all such attacks, not to limit them to an arbitrary number. Repeatedly launching personal attacks in the face of the guideline is equivalent to ignoring the posting limit entirely and as such is a gross violation of etiquette, demonstrating lack of self- control, lack of respect for the community, feeling that one is so special that the rules don't apply to one, etc. To obsess about others going over the posting limit by a few posts while repeatedly flouting the guideline barring personal attacks would seem to indicate, at best, confusion over the very nature of community rules and one's obligation to observe them, as well as a seriously deficient sense of proportionality.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
TurquoiseB wrote: I Alt-Tab over to it before I post, to make sure I haven't already gone over the posting limit... Now all you have to do is learn to count in order to elimnate the redundantcy! ROTFLMAO!!!
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
Bhairitu wrote: First off you will need to put all your FFL emails in one folder which probably most folks due. Now all you have to 'due' is learn to spell!
Re: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: First off you will need to put all your FFL emails in one folder which probably most folks due. Now all you have to 'due' is learn to spell! Isn't the English language terrible? I type fast and I type phonetically so it is easy to use the wrong word and a spell checker won't catch those. Though the purists will hate it we need to drop the old English spellings and write English phonetically and more people would find English easier to learn. BTW, how is your Nigerian these days? :D
Re: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:53 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: OK, no problem-- I'll just add that I was checking today several times, and the Yahoo advanced search indicated only 28 this afternoon.:-) Well now it indicates 34, Jim. And funnily enough, I have 39 emails of yours since early Saturday morning. I'm sure you wouldn't be deleting any on the website, of course not. So the discrepancy is interesting. Sal FYI-- I just verified that the Yahoo advanced search isn't very accurate-- I hand-counted my posts from the beginning of Sept.8th until now and the total is 39, not including this one. However, if I use the Yahoo advanced search, I get a total of 34, not including this one. So hand counts seem to be the only way to be accurate, for those not receiving emails on FFL. Or whoever keeps tallies can please send an email to Rick. In any case, see you next week.:-) I found a trick for counting using email and Thunderbird. First off you will need to put all your FFL emails in one folder which probably most folks due. Then select Mark Folder Read which I do regularly anyway because there are just a lot of topics I'm not interested in. Then you order messages by Sender and select the range for the week. Right click on those highlighted messages and select Mark as Read and the messages will be marked Unread and then total listed in the lower right hand corner of the the Thunderbird window. That's sort of a lot of work and Thunderbird should really anytime you select a group of messages also list the number selected. I'll put in a request for that feature which I can tell you as a programmer should not be hard to add.
[FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:53 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: OK, no problem-- I'll just add that I was checking today several times, and the Yahoo advanced search indicated only 28 this afternoon.:-) Well now it indicates 34, Jim. And funnily enough, I have 39 emails of yours since early Saturday morning. I'm sure you wouldn't be deleting any on the website, of course not. So the discrepancy is interesting. Sal FYI-- I just verified that the Yahoo advanced search isn't very accurate-- I hand-counted my posts from the beginning of Sept.8th until now and the total is 39, not including this one. However, if I use the Yahoo advanced search, I get a total of 34, not including this one. So hand counts seem to be the only way to be accurate, for those not receiving emails on FFL. Or whoever keeps tallies can please send an email to Rick. In any case, see you next week.:-)
