[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/25/05 11:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on 9/25/05 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> Doesn't Amma's org have financial statements? > >> > >> Probably does. I don't know anything about them. > > > > ...then I don't think it appropriate for you to have said: > > > > "...on the whole, Amma's group has a very good track record in terms > > of administering and using funds ethically and efficiently. In other > > words, accomplishing a lot with funds raised. She is becoming very > > well known and respected for this in India." > > > > Familiarize yourself with her finances, then come back to us and > > make that claim... > > It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot > gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has > accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of > money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and > self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. Who in the TMO is REALLY "living like a king?" Have you ever been in Buckingham Palace or even the TMO's old HQ in the UK, Mentmore Towers? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> These nuns were like tireless angels. > > > > > > Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in > > recent years, > > > they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. > > > > Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... > > Not to imply I take the above comment seriously, I wasn't joking, actually... > but if someone wanted > to support good works being done by an order of nuns, of which there > are many, they should give money directly to that order. Each order > is financially independent, and like the TMO, money flows towards the > top, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> These nuns were like tireless angels. > > > > Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in > recent years, > > they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. > > Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... Not to imply I take the above comment seriously, but if someone wanted to support good works being done by an order of nuns, of which there are many, they should give money directly to that order. Each order is financially independent, and like the TMO, money flows towards the top, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/26/05 9:40 AM, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? > >> Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own > >> neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the > >> hugging and the fanfare... > > > > The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have > > 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns > > and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. > > In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations > > in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand > > operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a > > quarter to school to "help convert the pagan babies". Even the > > poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. > > > > Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be > > charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than > > many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the > > place to go if you're in need. > > > > No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel > > of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? > > (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in > > latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) > > > My grandfather, despite being a protestant, was the founder of a Catholic > hospital and for a period of my career I was involved with a large Catholic > hospital here in New England. The nuns would begin the day by gathering in > the hospital chapel and praying for the safety and healing of all those in > the hospital, city and region. I'd seen them on numerous occasions head out > on the coldest nights of the year and bring street people into the hospital > for "treatment"--actually what they were saving them from was freezing to > death or certain frostbite. They would often give free medical care, > including surgery and other live-saving interventions. There was never such > a thing as someone too poor to receive treatment and often we received the > poorest of the poor. These nuns were like tireless angels. > > Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, > they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Maybe Amma should give her million directly to the Catholic Church... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? > > Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own > > neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the > > hugging and the fanfare... > > The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have > 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns > and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. > In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations > in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand > operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a > quarter to school to "help convert the pagan babies". Even the > poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. > > Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be > charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than > many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the > place to go if you're in need. > > No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel > of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? > (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in > latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) Really? The flogging sounds like a lot more fun. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
on 9/25/05 11:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 9/25/05 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't Amma's org have financial statements? >> >> Probably does. I don't know anything about them. > > ...then I don't think it appropriate for you to have said: > > "...on the whole, Amma's group has a very good track record in terms > of administering and using funds ethically and efficiently. In other > words, accomplishing a lot with funds raised. She is becoming very > well known and respected for this in India." > > Familiarize yourself with her finances, then come back to us and > make that claim... It's not necessary for me to go over her books in order to see that a lot gets accomplished. OTOH, where is the evidence of what the TMO has accomplished? Much less, as far as I can see, with a much larger influx of money. Also, I've seen fairly close up how Amma operates. Very frugal and self sacrificing. Nobody, including she, is living like a king. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
On 9/26/05 9:40 AM, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? >> Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own >> neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the >> hugging and the fanfare... > > The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have > 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns > and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. > In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations > in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand > operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a > quarter to school to "help convert the pagan babies". Even the > poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. > > Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be > charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than > many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the > place to go if you're in need. > > No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel > of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? > (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in > latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) My grandfather, despite being a protestant, was the founder of a Catholic hospital and for a period of my career I was involved with a large Catholic hospital here in New England. The nuns would begin the day by gathering in the hospital chapel and praying for the safety and healing of all those in the hospital, city and region. I'd seen them on numerous occasions head out on the coldest nights of the year and bring street people into the hospital for "treatment"--actually what they were saving them from was freezing to death or certain frostbite. They would often give free medical care, including surgery and other live-saving interventions. There was never such a thing as someone too poor to receive treatment and often we received the poorest of the poor. These nuns were like tireless angels. Despite all the bad press the Catholic church has received in recent years, they still carry on an important charity mission worldwide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars in Aid for...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, by the way, all those wonderful works that you cite above? > Your local Catholic Church has been doing that in your very own > neighbourhood for the past several hundred years...and without the > hugging and the fanfare... The catholic church runs a lot of private for-profit schools (I have 14 yrs experience) and some for-profit hospitals. Many orders of nuns and a few, very few, priestly orders are involved in charitable works. In the US, the parishes sometimes raise funds for catholic operations in the 3rd world which are partly charitable, mainly to expand operations and convert - when I was child you sometimes had to bring a quarter to school to "help convert the pagan babies". Even the poorest of nations are net givers of money to the Vatican. Not to knock the Church on charity, as individual catholics tend to be charitable and the Church does encourages that behavior more so than many religions. But the parishes themselves are not known as the place to go if you're in need. No fanfare in Catholicism?? What a joke, more fanfare than a barrel of crowned rajs. No hugging?? Have you been to Mass recently? (though you may go to the Mel Gibsom sect which still does Mass in latin and instead of the hug prior to communion does a flogging.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
