[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
bhairitu:You must not get out much then (on the Internet that is). L: I don't, at least as chat rooms are concerned. B: There are many Yahoo groups that I'm on where we're "all kind of family." L: Such as? Just a general descriptin will do. B: They don't have posting limits. Let me tell you a secret Lurk, we're all adults here and don't need any referees. L: Okay, most groups have postng guidelines. What are they? I assume a they can be enforced. Someone has to make a judgement. B:Some of us don't have "daddy issues." Either that or because you have kids you think you get to boss everyone else around just like you do your kids. L: Is this where the term "aprapos to nothing comes in" I've always wanted to use that expression. B: Believe I've seen people like that and it is a good way to get a slap from me when someone tries to pull that shit on me in public. We have some "upscale" yuppievilles around here housing middle management types who think they can boss everyone around away from the job. Boy do they get a surprise when they try that shit on me. L: I am honored that I was selected as an individual you could "unload" on. For what, I'm not sure. But if I can offer that service to someone, have at it. Let me turn my head slightly. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Well, I kind of agree. Though it's not meant to be a blanket statement. There is real wisdom and enlightenment in Ff---but it's also a very mixed bag. One of the most "enlightened" groups I belong to is an international group of mathematicians/scientists. a lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bhairitu: Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. Bhairitu: Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't. Lurk: Bhairitu, let me tell you a secret I have learned, that has allowed me to be a little successful in my chosen field of sales. People like to talk. People LOVE to talk, espcially about themselves, especially about their opinions. And if you are willing to listen, you will find ourself making a friend. So, no, I don't think TM will instill enough self discipline to overcome this tendency. And I don't view it as a failure of TM. I view it as a positive thing that people here have opinions, and POVs that they want to express. Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > Lurk: > Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two > ears and one mouth for a reason. > > Bhairitu: > Cute, but why do people in this group need more discipline than any > other Yahoo group? > > Lurk: > Probably because we're all kind of "family" here. And you know > how "family" is. Most everyone here, especially the main contributors > have a shared history. If we're not bashing one another over the > head, we're making nice. I'll tell you another secret Bhairitu, in > our family of 5, (two adults, three kids), we need a referee (the > parents)---constantly. One of the great misconceptions of life is > that kids expect grownups will have outgrown some of the petty > disputes that I know arise several times an hour in our household. > That is a belly laugh joke, and explains, I think, one of the reasons > why we have posting limits here. You must not get out much then (on the Internet that is). There are many Yahoo groups that I'm on where we're "all kind of family." They don't have posting limits. Let me tell you a secret Lurk, we're all adults here and don't need any referees. Some of us don't have "daddy issues." Either that or because you have kids you think you get to boss everyone else around just like you do your kids. Believe I've seen people like that and it is a good way to get a slap from me when someone tries to pull that shit on me in public. We have some "upscale" yuppievilles around here housing middle management types who think they can boss everyone around away from the job. Boy do they get a surprise when they try that shit on me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Lurk: Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Bhairitu: Cute, but why do people in this group need more discipline than any other Yahoo group? Lurk: Probably because we're all kind of "family" here. And you know how "family" is. Most everyone here, especially the main contributors have a shared history. If we're not bashing one another over the head, we're making nice. I'll tell you another secret Bhairitu, in our family of 5, (two adults, three kids), we need a referee (the parents)---constantly. One of the great misconceptions of life is that kids expect grownups will have outgrown some of the petty disputes that I know arise several times an hour in our household. That is a belly laugh joke, and explains, I think, one of the reasons why we have posting limits here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > Bhairitu: > Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on > behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm > sure others have found this true too. > Doesn't speak well for TM does it? > > Lurk: > Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been > to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group > dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what > it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. > > Bhairitu: > Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. > So what you are saying is it doesn't. > > Lurk: > Bhairitu, let me tell you a secret I have learned, that has allowed me > to be a little successful in my chosen field of sales. People like to > talk. People LOVE to talk, espcially about themselves, especially > about their opinions. And if you are willing to listen, you will find > ourself making a friend. So, no, I don't think TM will instill enough > self discipline to overcome this tendency. And I don't view it as a > failure of TM. I view it as a positive thing that people here have > opinions, and POVs that they want to express. > > Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two > ears and one mouth for a reason. Cute, but why do people in this group need more discipline than any other Yahoo group?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Let me chime in, too. The flame (below) is wholly uncalled for and is itself pure spleen- venting. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "> > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > > can't kill the robot." > > "Lesbionic" WTF Kaladevi? Calling Judy "Lesbionic" is flaming as > well as dishonest. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Lurk: > > > > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > > > > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? > > > > > > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > > can't kill the robot. > > > > > > It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for > > > months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting > > > till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or > > > at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these > > > trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, > > > none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. > > > > > > It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps > > > vegetarians can become. > > > > > > We just lucked out that Lawson headed for the hills when his > > obsessive knee-jerk was > > > curtailed via digital decision. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > Lurk: > > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? > > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > endlessly. Oh, good, another homophobe comes out of the closet. Better to have 'em out where we can see 'em so we know exactly how seriously to take what they say about spirituality. It's like one of those movies where you just > can't kill the robot. > > It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for > months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting > till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or > at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). Ya know, if you're going to vent a vitriolic jihad against another poster, it's usually best if you actually read their posts before doing so. Otherwise you really make yourself look kinda silly. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time in your case, but it's never too late to mend your ways, eh? If both of these > trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, > none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. Poor baby, are you suffering? Say, I know--how about a nice splenectomy? (P.S. to Lurk: Lawson never made as many as 30-40 posts per day. He would *occasionally* make as many as 20. Nor did any argument between Barry and myself last for anything even remotely like 50 posts.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Bhairitu: Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. Bhairitu: Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't. Lurk: Bhairitu, let me tell you a secret I have learned, that has allowed me to be a little successful in my chosen field of sales. People like to talk. People LOVE to talk, espcially about themselves, especially about their opinions. And if you are willing to listen, you will find ourself making a friend. So, no, I don't think TM will instill enough self discipline to overcome this tendency. And I don't view it as a failure of TM. I view it as a positive thing that people here have opinions, and POVs that they want to express. Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "> > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > > can't kill the robot." > > "Lesbionic" WTF Kaladevi? Calling Judy "Lesbionic" not that there is anything wrong with that is flaming as > well as dishonest. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Lurk: > > > > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > > > > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? > > > > > > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > > can't kill the robot. > > > > > > It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for > > > months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting > > > till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or > > > at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these > > > trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, > > > none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. > > > > > > It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps > > > vegetarians can become. > > > > > > We just lucked out that Lawson headed for the hills when his > > obsessive knee-jerk was > > > curtailed via digital decision. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
"> > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > can't kill the robot." "Lesbionic" WTF Kaladevi? Calling Judy "Lesbionic" is flaming as well as dishonest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > > wrote: > > > > Lurk: > > > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > > > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? > > > > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > > can't kill the robot. > > > > It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for > > months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting > > till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or > > at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these > > trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, > > none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. > > > > It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps > > vegetarians can become. > > > > We just lucked out that Lawson headed for the hills when his > obsessive knee-jerk was > > curtailed via digital decision. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
On Oct 19, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps vegetarians can become. Hey, I eat fish and chicken and I had a turkey sandwich today. (Petit Paris) Did you do the appropriate amount of mood-making afterwards to make up for enjoying that turkey sandwich, Rick? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > Lurk: > > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? > > Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe > endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just > can't kill the robot. > > It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for > months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting > till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or > at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these > trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, > none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. > > It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps > vegetarians can become. > > We just lucked out that Lawson headed for the hills when his obsessive knee-jerk was > curtailed via digital decision. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kaladevi93 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps vegetarians can become. Hey, I eat fish and chicken and I had a turkey sandwich today. (Petit Paris) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I > bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who > > haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the > > so-called "consensus" are return this group to open discussion. > > Lurk: > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? Or Judith in consort radiating her lesbionic pro-TM vibe endlessly. It's like one of those movies where you just can't kill the robot. It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps vegetarians can become. We just lucked out that Lawson headed for the hills when his obsessive knee-jerk was curtailed via digital decision.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I > bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who > >> haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the >> so-called "consensus" are return this group to open discussion. >> > > Lurk: > I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any > forum posting 30-40 messages a day? What would be patience of a group > when a personal feud (on any given subject) can go on days at a time > and last 50 posts or more - on just that subject. > Yes, but most moderators would have booted him if the group found him annoying. But most people on groups just ignore people like that. When they don't get read and replied to, they go away. > B: > As I have said *before* this is the *only* group I know of on Yahoo > that has *posting limits!* > > Lurk: > So it's a bad idea, just on that basis? > I really don't think many people would find it to be a cutting edge idea. > B: > There are groups that are highly moderated usually > >> because they are of very narrow purpose such as software support >> groups. Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on >> > behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm > sure others have found this true too. > > Doesn't speak well for TM does it? > > Lurk: > Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been > to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group > dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what > it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness.> Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who > haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the > so-called "consensus" are return this group to open discussion. Lurk: I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any forum posting 30-40 messages a day? What would be patience of a group when a personal feud (on any given subject) can go on days at a time and last 50 posts or more - on just that subject. B: As I have said *before* this is the *only* group I know of on Yahoo that has *posting limits!* Lurk: So it's a bad idea, just on that basis? B: There are groups that are highly moderated usually > because they are of very narrow purpose such as software support > groups. Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness.>
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Bhairitu wrote: > I bet we can drum up some more folks to join or > at least lurkers who haven't ever posted who > don't like these rules to *outnumber* the > so-called "consensus" are return this group to > open discussion. > How much would you be willing to wager? > As I have said *before* this is the *only* group > I know of on Yahoo that has *posting limits!* > There are groups that are highly moderated usually > because they are of very narrow purpose such as > software support groups. Many of the "mundane" > (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more > enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. > I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't > speak well for TM does it? > No, it doesn't, especially since you're no longer a TMer in good standing. But this group would be a lot better off, in my opinion, with fewer little fascist shits like you try to interfere with the sharing of information by calling other posters trolls because you don't agree with what they have to say. Maybe it's time for you to take a tantric sabbatical from this group, then return in a year or two when you can dialog like a adept, or at least a pundit. At present, you are neither, Sir. Or, maybe you'd like to stand up like a man and offer me an opology for calling me a troll and attempting to prevent me from exchanging opinions with Bill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 19, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > >> Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist > >> Archer must be practicing mind-control again. > > > > This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly > > ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place > > FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has > > ever > > been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is > > supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's > > livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick > > doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom. > > Alex, > I was *joking,* for crying out loud--do I really have to put those > silly little smiley faces every time I want to make a funny? I realized you were joking. I just wanted to express my opinion about the notion of Rick as fascist, and I just used your post as a convenient jumping off point. I apologize for not having indicated that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Rick Archer wrote: > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" > > > > While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, > essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and > demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having > to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either > whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of > teflon. > > Sal > > Because I’m too caught up in work and other matters to read most of the > posts, it seems that little flame wars erupt and subside without my > knowledge. If some serious and prolong abuse occurred and were brought to my > attention, I’d deal with it, as long as we have a consensus that we want to > restrict such behavior. We seemed to have such a consensus when we first > established the rule, although it certainly wasn’t unanimous, and we can > review and revise it any time we like. It seems to me that the intention to > enforce some sort of civility has made the group more civil, without my > having to do much enforcing. And I don’t think it has dumbed us down or > suppressed creativity. I bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the so-called "consensus" are return this group to open discussion. As I have said *before* this is the *only* group I know of on Yahoo that has *posting limits!* There are groups that are highly moderated usually because they are of very narrow purpose such as software support groups. Many of the "mundane" (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of t3rinity Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I play more of a moderator role, because somebody > needs to, but as you know, I want to interfere as little as possible and > basically let the group run on automatic pilot, which it usually does. Now that answers the question, Who is in control? We are on autopilot.. Sure, but if a plane is flying on autopilot, the pilots still have to sit there and occasionally intervene. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I play more of a moderator role, because somebody > needs to, but as you know, I want to interfere as little as possible and > basically let the group run on automatic pilot, which it usually does. Now that answers the question, Who is in control? We are on autopilot..
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has ever been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom. I set up the Wednesday night chat because I know how, not because I want to run it. I’m just a technician there, mostly sending out occasional invitations, usually at Tom’s request. I’m not a moderator and don’t want to be. Here in FFL of course, I play more of a moderator role, because somebody needs to, but as you know, I want to interfere as little as possible and basically let the group run on automatic pilot, which it usually does. A more controlling role would directly contradict the mission of the group, as stated in the description: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairfieldlife/. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of teflon. Sal Because I’m too caught up in work and other matters to read most of the posts, it seems that little flame wars erupt and subside without my knowledge. If some serious and prolong abuse occurred and were brought to my attention, I’d deal with it, as long as we have a consensus that we want to restrict such behavior. We seemed to have such a consensus when we first established the rule, although it certainly wasn’t unanimous, and we can review and revise it any time we like. It seems to me that the intention to enforce some sort of civility has made the group more civil, without my having to do much enforcing. And I don’t think it has dumbed us down or suppressed creativity. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
On Oct 19, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has ever been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom. Alex, I was *joking,* for crying out loud--do I really have to put those silly little smiley faces every time I want to make a funny? While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of teflon. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing > >> something right. > > > > Must have missed that losing Angela part. > > Oh, I thought she was dropping out too--maybe she meant out of > the WNC group. > > Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist > Archer must be practicing mind-control again. This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has ever been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened" I'm not lost. I'm here. The path is lost. I just don't have a lot of posts left is why I've been silent. To the chagrin of some, I'll resume talking on Monday. The 35-post-per-week count resets Friday at midnight, so you may resume then if you wish. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not lost. I'm here. The path is lost. > I just don't have a lot of posts left is why I've been silent. To the chagrin of some, I'll resume talking on Monday. > I think the clock resets tomorrow at midnight. Hope to see you then. lurk >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
I'm not lost. I'm here. The path is lost. I just don't have a lot of posts left is why I've been silent. To the chagrin of some, I'll resume talking on Monday. . Once again, I've drawn comparisons, I've not drawn conclusions from them. Why is everyone drawing those conclusions? And why is everyone drawing the same conclusion, namely that Ff folks are a bunch of fascists? Did I ever say that? Another possible conclusion would be that the German fascists were really as enlightened as the Ff folks believe themselves to be. I'll suggest a third possibility and maybe a fourth. Right now I'm turning into a pumpkin. a Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing >> something right. > > Must have missed that losing Angela part. Oh, I thought she was dropping out too--maybe she meant out of the WNC group. Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. Sal Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing something right. Must have missed that losing Angela part. Oh, I thought she was dropping out too--maybe she meant out of the WNC group. Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing > something right. Must have missed that losing Angela part. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't > > last. (Judy excluded)" > > Don't forget Sal! DO'H (lurk) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > Darn, I thought for a moment you were going to propose some kind of > > solution to this situation, but instead it was a kind of open ended > > commentary. For the record, it was hard for me to see Bronte > > lasting long here. I enjoyed it while it lasted. It's just a > > pattern - females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't > > last. (Judy excluded) Bronte plays for keeps. She's not some > > specimen from the wild brought in for people's amusement. Rick, > > inviting her to joing WNC with its more genteel ways was inviting > > disaster. WNC, as I envision it, not being a member, doesn't want > > that degree of controversy. > > > > I'll miss her, thats fer sure. > > > > lurk > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 > > wrote: > > > > > > from the Wednesday Night Satsang List: > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > > > Rick gets private letters asking him to boot Bronte, and Bronte > > gets private letters in > > > support of her stance. Well, now, doesn't that say it all? Why > > can't everyone be up front > > > about this? > > > > > > I never said that I thought current Ff thought was as bad as > > German fascism, but I do think > > > the two are compatible modes of thought. One is more extreme than > > the other. The Ff > > > scene wants to project genteel peace at the moment, rather than > > holy warrior, and I find > > > genteel peace insufferably phony---and not only phony, but, at > > bottom, icy cold and > > > judgmental. And so I certainly agree with Bronte that the > > Wednesday Night group has a > > > tendency to be condescending. That's why I've not been attending, > > though I do enjoy > > > reading some of the posts. By no means all, however. In the > > posts, too, there is stuff > > > that's too patronizing for me. And a patronizing attitude is > > somehow even harder to take > > > when it comes from a female. > > > > > > That said, I'm going to be insufferably condescending myself. The > > Wednesday night group > > > is pretty much where my head was at thirty five years ago. I was > > waking up then, and a > > > group would have been nice. There wasn't one. And I was > > insufferably arrogant because I > > > was awake and nobody else I knew was, though I found kindred > > spirits in literature. I ran > > > rings around my profs in grad school, and that was not a good > > thing for a woman to do. > > > Back then, I thought I would just get more and more incredible > > experience that would set > > > me more and more apart from the stupid waking-staters of the > > world. Instead, I've > > > become more and more ordinary over the years. At this point, I'm > > more comfortable with > > > people who pretend to no spiritual attainment whatsoever than I am > > with folks who do. > > > Yes, I've also got groovy experiences, but so f---ing what. a > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:54 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: "females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't last. (Judy excluded)" Don't forget Sal! Heh, heh, thanks, Curtis. :) But I doubt I can hold a candle to Judy in that department. We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing something right. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
"females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't > last. (Judy excluded)" Don't forget Sal! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Darn, I thought for a moment you were going to propose some kind of > solution to this situation, but instead it was a kind of open ended > commentary. For the record, it was hard for me to see Bronte > lasting long here. I enjoyed it while it lasted. It's just a > pattern - females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't > last. (Judy excluded) Bronte plays for keeps. She's not some > specimen from the wild brought in for people's amusement. Rick, > inviting her to joing WNC with its more genteel ways was inviting > disaster. WNC, as I envision it, not being a member, doesn't want > that degree of controversy. > > I'll miss her, thats fer sure. > > lurk > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 > wrote: > > > > from the Wednesday Night Satsang List: > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > Rick gets private letters asking him to boot Bronte, and Bronte > gets private letters in > > support of her stance. Well, now, doesn't that say it all? Why > can't everyone be up front > > about this? > > > > I never said that I thought current Ff thought was as bad as > German fascism, but I do think > > the two are compatible modes of thought. One is more extreme than > the other. The Ff > > scene wants to project genteel peace at the moment, rather than > holy warrior, and I find > > genteel peace insufferably phony---and not only phony, but, at > bottom, icy cold and > > judgmental. And so I certainly agree with Bronte that the > Wednesday Night group has a > > tendency to be condescending. That's why I've not been attending, > though I do enjoy > > reading some of the posts. By no means all, however. In the > posts, too, there is stuff > > that's too patronizing for me. And a patronizing attitude is > somehow even harder to take > > when it comes from a female. > > > > That said, I'm going to be insufferably condescending myself. The > Wednesday night group > > is pretty much where my head was at thirty five years ago. I was > waking up then, and a > > group would have been nice. There wasn't one. And I was > insufferably arrogant because I > > was awake and nobody else I knew was, though I found kindred > spirits in literature. I ran > > rings around my profs in grad school, and that was not a good > thing for a woman to do. > > Back then, I thought I would just get more and more incredible > experience that would set > > me more and more apart from the stupid waking-staters of the > world. Instead, I've > > become more and more ordinary over the years. At this point, I'm > more comfortable with > > people who pretend to no spiritual attainment whatsoever than I am > with folks who do. > > Yes, I've also got groovy experiences, but so f---ing what. a > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF "Enlightened"
Darn, I thought for a moment you were going to propose some kind of solution to this situation, but instead it was a kind of open ended commentary. For the record, it was hard for me to see Bronte lasting long here. I enjoyed it while it lasted. It's just a pattern - females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't last. (Judy excluded) Bronte plays for keeps. She's not some specimen from the wild brought in for people's amusement. Rick, inviting her to joing WNC with its more genteel ways was inviting disaster. WNC, as I envision it, not being a member, doesn't want that degree of controversy. I'll miss her, thats fer sure. lurk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > from the Wednesday Night Satsang List: > > Hi y'all, > > Rick gets private letters asking him to boot Bronte, and Bronte gets private letters in > support of her stance. Well, now, doesn't that say it all? Why can't everyone be up front > about this? > > I never said that I thought current Ff thought was as bad as German fascism, but I do think > the two are compatible modes of thought. One is more extreme than the other. The Ff > scene wants to project genteel peace at the moment, rather than holy warrior, and I find > genteel peace insufferably phony---and not only phony, but, at bottom, icy cold and > judgmental. And so I certainly agree with Bronte that the Wednesday Night group has a > tendency to be condescending. That's why I've not been attending, though I do enjoy > reading some of the posts. By no means all, however. In the posts, too, there is stuff > that's too patronizing for me. And a patronizing attitude is somehow even harder to take > when it comes from a female. > > That said, I'm going to be insufferably condescending myself. The Wednesday night group > is pretty much where my head was at thirty five years ago. I was waking up then, and a > group would have been nice. There wasn't one. And I was insufferably arrogant because I > was awake and nobody else I knew was, though I found kindred spirits in literature. I ran > rings around my profs in grad school, and that was not a good thing for a woman to do. > Back then, I thought I would just get more and more incredible experience that would set > me more and more apart from the stupid waking-staters of the world. Instead, I've > become more and more ordinary over the years. At this point, I'm more comfortable with > people who pretend to no spiritual attainment whatsoever than I am with folks who do. > Yes, I've also got groovy experiences, but so f---ing what. a >
