Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Nice to know it works like clockwork iyo. I mean he's probably like a nice piece of wood. Just needs to come back for some 400 grit sanding and a coat of varnish. Should be able to get it done by the time he's a teenager. lurk Unfathomable is the course of karma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
In a message dated 2/12/2007 9:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , George_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Nice to know it works like clockwork iyo. I mean he's probably like a nice piece of wood. Just needs to come back for some 400 grit sanding and a coat of varnish. Should be able to get it done by the time he's a teenager. lurk How can you be so sure he will be back? Maybe he has evolved to the point that his health issue needed to release him from this planet. There are many in Fairfield-Hundreds who will not be coming back as they have already outgrown this planet and are volunteering. That means if they came from the fifth or sixth dimension they will go back to the level that they came from. It is a saved space for them. I did not know Curtis but I have a feeling he will not be back and is with his spiritual family and is very happy. God bless him for all of his wonderful work here. I'm sure he was a very special soul. Lou.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/12/2007 9:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Lou, congratulations, you finally figured out how to quote. Now I know the ME effect is real. Hallelujah. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 9:39:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/12/2007 9:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Lou, congratulations, you finally figured out how to quote. Now I know the ME effect is real. Hallelujah. Sal Thank you Sal. IT feels so good to have figured it out. Where you the one who sent me the instructions? If not I want to thank whoever did. Lou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Sal. IT feels so good to have figured it out. Where you the one who sent me the instructions? If not I want to thank whoever did. Lou No it wasn't me, but I'm glad you finally got it figured out. Makes your messages much easier to follow. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. And Dr. Robert Svoboda is enlightened? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
On Feb 12, 2007, at 1:27 AM, shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. A quote please? I studied under Robert and I'd never heard this. There IS a danger for people who don't know how to integrate or correctly work with a kundalini awakening, as such imbalances tend cause problems with identification rather than integration with an expanded consciousness.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
Yeah, this quote coming from a supposed ayurvedic technician doesn't inspire much confidence. Lots of Svoboda stuff especially from the kundalini book is stupid and patently fictitious except to someone who hasn't ever studied the tantras. People who live by erroneous beliefs, only have themselves to blame for never testing things out. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist On Feb 12, 2007, at 1:27 AM, shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. A quote please? I studied under Robert and I'd never heard this. There IS a danger for people who don't know how to integrate or correctly work with a kundalini awakening, as such imbalances tend cause problems with identification rather than integration with an expanded consciousness.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
Yeah, i agree. That is a really moronic statement. Pseudo biology at its best. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, this quote coming from a supposed ayurvedic technician doesn't inspire much confidence. Lots of Svoboda stuff especially from the kundalini book is stupid and patently fictitious except to someone who hasn't ever studied the tantras. People who live by erroneous beliefs, only have themselves to blame for never testing things out. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist On Feb 12, 2007, at 1:27 AM, shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. A quote please? I studied under Robert and I'd never heard this. There IS a danger for people who don't know how to integrate or correctly work with a kundalini awakening, as such imbalances tend cause problems with identification rather than integration with an expanded consciousness. Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
In fact, one of the most powerful transcendence practices is any Garuda practice which is where one totally identifies with awakened power as manifesting transcendence to all sentient beings, and it's main function is that it eradicates cancers and other hard to cure illnesses. See the Palyul website under practices for averting sickness and death. -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist Yeah, i agree. That is a really moronic statement. Pseudo biology at its best. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, this quote coming from a supposed ayurvedic technician doesn't inspire much confidence. Lots of Svoboda stuff especially from the kundalini book is stupid and patently fictitious except to someone who hasn't ever studied the tantras. People who live by erroneous beliefs, only have themselves to blame for never testing things out. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist On Feb 12, 2007, at 1:27 AM, shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. A quote please? I studied under Robert and I'd never heard this. There IS a danger for people who don't know how to integrate or correctly work with a kundalini awakening, as such imbalances tend cause problems with identification rather than integration with an expanded consciousness. Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
Rick Archer wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. this is not a bad thing, imo... a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:26 AM, george_deforest wrote: Rick Archer wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. this is not a bad thing, imo... a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. But of course this depends on many many factors, one of which is if he had acquired the skills to navigate between life times or if he had the propensity for another type of incarnation (other than human). There's been a lively discussion offlist on the topic of kundalini disorders, blockages, imbalanced awakenings, the TM sidhi practices, etc. and just what this means for this life, enlightenment and dying/rebirth. It's not always a good picture. Given what I'd seen of purusha back in the late 80's, these were not healthy or spiritually vital looking guys, so I do have to wonder what their incarnational prospects are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to remove the cancer. He probably was one of the first members of Purusha. Earlier, he was a very high-level MIU administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called upon by Bevan or Lennie in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern brought to the attention of the leadership of MIU. He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall. I got to know him there. His personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days. He seemed to be enjoying everyone around him. I hope he died in peace. Thanks, Rick, for sharing the news of his passing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. this is not a bad thing, imo... a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. And the doctor's explanation above is absurd. Cancer is the body attacking itself, not losing identification with its individual components. Enlightenment is about seeing others as more like ourselves. It is a unifying process, not an alienating one. Less identification on the way to enlightenment has to do with attachment, not attacking and alienating.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to remove the cancer. He probably was one of the first members of Purusha. Earlier, he was a very high-level MIU administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called upon by Bevan or Lennie in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern brought to the attention of the leadership of MIU. He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall. I got to know him there. His personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days. He seemed to be enjoying everyone around him. I hope he died in peace. Thanks, Rick, for sharing the news of his passing. LB Shriver told me yesterday that a few weeks ago, Bill approached him in Revelations and expressed his appreciation for the contributions LB had made to MIU as student body president. LB said that was when he began to leave the TMO orbit, because he was such an iconoclast. Seems like Bill felt like reaching closure with some people before he checked out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom
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tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Rick Archer wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. shukra69 wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. this is not a bad thing, imo... a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. And the doctor's explanation above is absurd. Cancer is the body attacking itself, not losing identification with its individual components. Enlightenment is about seeing others as more like ourselves. It is a unifying process, not an alienating one. Less identification on the way to enlightenment has to do with attachment, not attacking and alienating. Trying to make analogies is silly in this case. Cancer occurs when a normal cell goes haywire but the body's defenses do NOT recognize it as haywire, so it isn't destroyed as defective. Two things happen at the same time: the cell malfunctions AND the immune system fucks up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to remove the cancer. He probably was one of the first members of Purusha. Earlier, he was a very high-level MIU administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called upon by Bevan or Lennie in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern brought to the attention of the leadership of MIU. He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall. I got to know him there. His personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days. He seemed to be enjoying everyone around him. I hope he died in peace. Thanks, Rick, for sharing the news of his passing. I don't know about his final days, but not too long ago some friends of his went by his trailer and found him unable to get out of bed, lying in his urine, not having had food or any care for a few days. The friends apparently alerted MUM who started some sort of care for him prior to his dying. That's what I've been told. Any other info on this? It's becoming a more common problem within the mov't. There's apparently a recert gov. in the field who's in the hospital with cancer with no family or friends there to help take care of her. My wife has taken care of a couple MDs who got cancer and had to leave the MD course. IT's a huge hassle as they tend to have poor relations if any with their biological family, no money and no insurance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body... And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body... And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms. There's enlightenment and there's enlightenment. FULL enlightenment requires the ability to perform any and all sidhis perfectly. I recall a lecture by Keith Wallace many years ago where MMY challanged people to come up with a clear sign of physical immortality. Keith's answer was the one MMY latched onto: the ability to float. If your Unity is at THAT level of integration, then all of your immediate environment naturally reflects this state. Immediate environment includes body and mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. Then you need to straighten MMY out on this point cuz he uses it in his sales pitch all the time. Perfect health and immortality, or was it perfect wealth and immorality? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body... And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
curtisdeltablues wrote: I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. Then you need to straighten MMY out on this point cuz he uses it in his sales pitch all the time. Perfect health and immortality, or was it perfect wealth and immorality? More likely the latter but then that really didn't work for folks either. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body... And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
--- markmeredith wrote: I don't know about his final days, but not too long ago some friends of his went by his trailer and found him unable to get out of bed, lying in his urine, not having had food or any care for a few days. The friends apparently alerted MUM who started some sort of care for him prior to his dying. That's what I've been told. Surely Jefferson County has visiting nurses, and perhaps hospice care. As strapped for funds as those organizations are, they generally provide care regardless of the patient's ability to pay - which is one reason they're always strapped. I'm sorry to hear Bill Crist may have had a difficult time of it at the end. My dealings with him were always at arm's length and in his official capacities, but he dealt with people with dignity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
Ramana Maharshi died from the big c, you know. When Gurdjieff died doctors said his internal organs were so deteriorated that he should have been dead a long time ago. When the ambulance finally carted him off to the hospital about a week before, he was wearing the most gaudy striped pajamas imaginable. He then tipped his hat to the crowd and, with a fat cigarette hanging out of his mouth, cheered bravo! shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
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For us householders, as we get older its usually our kids and ESPECIALLY AN EMPATHICALLY CONFRONTATIONAL SPOUSE that force the issues on us. Is that support of nature? Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only witness it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before they were meditating. ???SO much for integration of mind and body... And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped: Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you. TomT: No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it that wants to know? Tom Just to clarify my comment was directed towards the fellow that said if Bill C wasn't enlightened this was OK because he'd come back in with a new body. Which I thought was a wasteful rationalization, and my comment was directed at him. I have no idea whether or not Bill C was enlightened- I never met the man.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a soul real close to enlightenment will probably come back to the earth plane right away, and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body. Nice to know it works like clockwork iyo. I mean he's probably like a nice piece of wood. Just needs to come back for some 400 grit sanding and a coat of varnish. Should be able to get it done by the time he's a teenager. lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades. The name is extremely familiar, but as usualy, I can't picture a face.
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Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of his body can have an less close indentification with each other. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades.
