Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Bob makes it up...again
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:19 PM, wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net wrote: Essentially, the prana (kundalini serpent fire) must be awakened and rise to the 6th and 7th chakra for enlightenment to occur. Whether that is done through mantra meditation OR concentration (like Patanjali taught) is secondary, both work according to Swami Yogananda, he believes concentration is more effective because it deals directly with the prana (pranaYama=prana control). The important thing that occurs after bindu-bhedhana is the dissolution of ones samskaras and the balanced witness-consciousness that remains uninvolved while the subcoscious unloads it's baggage. Then, after the unloading occurs, the student can get skaktipat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Bob makes it up...again
Another erudite reply and such a definitive rebuttal. It is your usual obfuscation nothing new there. But there is a good question. Why are you here on FFL? Why do you care what anyone on FFL says when discussing TM? It is not a technique you do. Although you claim you once did TM you are unable to provide any proof and your understanding of the process is confused and faulty. Go mind your own business. This part of the discussion does not concern you. You just demonstrate your faulty knowledge. Your pathetic critique of SSRS is a case in point. As a Vedic Mahapandita who studied with a number of teachers and yogins in India (not just MMY), he certainly cannot stand up against your arrogant imprimatur. Too bad for him you know so much more about Vedic recitation, Patanjali's Ashtanga, Upanishadic Dhyana Yoga and Shankara's Kevala Vedanta that SSRS should just turn over his movement and teachings to you. I'm sure most of his students will find you a spectacular visionary, shaktipat guru and erudite scholar of all Hindu and Buddhist traditions. You'll be the new Osho. O, I forgot Nickolas and Perenelle Flamel. You can make them your alchemical patrons you know, being the radiological scientist that everyone knows you to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Empty: Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings. Vag: They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the path of SBS ME: This is not Shankara's Kevala Vedanta but the yogic advaita (post-Vidyaranya) which contradicts Shankara in many ways. A mix of Tantric and Puranic worship is standard in most Hinduism. Billy Bob, get dat toothpick outta yo' brain. Get some experience, den get back to us. Vag: The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not bridged, the road to samadhi and full transcendence can never occur. ME: SSRS told me that transcending in meditation (TM-Sahaj) is crossing the tri-veni. That is why the Ajña is called the inner tri-veni or the confluence of the three principle nadi-s. Again, another awakened teacher contradicts your assertions. Billy Bub: Shree Ravi was just one of Mahesh's boyz. His lineage is dee M-sters: it don't exist. Pleez don't hypervent on meez. Capiche? Empty: You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding from SKJ. Vag: He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have recognized it as any more than a preliminary. ME: This kind of dismissal of Swami Lakshman Joo clearly demonstrates your selective polemic and wonton editing without regard for his actual statements. SRSS and SLJ agree with MMY. You do not and thus you strike out. Try staying with Dzogchen. You lack the objectivity to discuss TM or MMY. Bub: the criticism against moi ist becuz I'm too objective. Where yu been?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Bob makes it up...again
What a b.s. non-answer. You must have nothing else to say. The record speaks for itself and you just proved yourself to be incompetent. Maybe you should present yourself to the students of SSRS and demonstrate your chant ability along with your understanding of the Veda. You obviously believe you know more - so go show 'em your great enlightenment. Vag. I'm positive they'll be impressed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Empty: Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings. Vag: They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the path of SBS ME: This is not Shankara's Kevala Vedanta but the yogic advaita (post-Vidyaranya) which contradicts Shankara in many ways. A mix of Tantric and Puranic worship is standard in most Hinduism. Billy Bob, get dat toothpick outta yo' brain. Get some experience, den get back to us. Vag: The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not bridged, the road to samadhi and full transcendence can never occur. ME: SSRS told me that transcending in meditation (TM-Sahaj) is crossing the tri-veni. That is why the Ajña is called the inner tri-veni or the confluence of the three principle nadi-s. Again, another awakened teacher contradicts your assertions. Billy Bub: Shree Ravi was just one of Mahesh's boyz. His lineage is dee M-sters: it don't exist. Pleez don't hypervent on meez. Capiche? Empty: You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding from SKJ. Vag: He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have recognized it as any more than a preliminary. ME: This kind of dismissal of Swami Lakshman Joo clearly demonstrates your selective polemic and wonton editing without regard for his actual statements. SRSS and SLJ agree with MMY. You do not and thus you strike out. Try staying with Dzogchen. You lack the objectivity to discuss TM or MMY. Bub: the criticism against moi ist becuz I'm too objective. Where yu been?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Bob makes it up...again
On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Empty: Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings. Vag: They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the path of SBS ME: This is not Shankara's Kevala Vedanta but the yogic advaita (post-Vidyaranya) which contradicts Shankara in many ways. A mix of Tantric and Puranic worship is standard in most Hinduism. Billy Bob, get dat toothpick outta yo' brain. Get some experience, den get back to us. Vag: The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not bridged, the road to samadhi and full transcendence can never occur. ME: SSRS told me that transcending in meditation (TM-Sahaj) is crossing the tri-veni. That is why the Ajña is called the inner tri-veni or the confluence of the three principle nadi-s. Again, another awakened teacher contradicts your assertions. Billy Bub: Shree Ravi was just one of Mahesh's boyz. His lineage is dee M-sters: it don't exist. Pleez don't hypervent on meez. Capiche? Empty: You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding from SKJ. Vag: He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have recognized it as any more than a preliminary. ME: This kind of dismissal of Swami Lakshman Joo clearly demonstrates your selective polemic and wonton editing without regard for his actual statements. SRSS and SLJ agree with MMY. You do not and thus you strike out. Try staying with Dzogchen. You lack the objectivity to discuss TM or MMY. Bub: the criticism against moi ist becuz I'm too objective. Where yu been?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Bob makes it up...again
Essentially, the prana (kundalini serpent fire) must be awakened and rise to the 6th and 7th chakra for enlightenment to occur. Whether that is done through mantra meditation OR concentration (like Patanjali taught) is secondary, both work according to Swami Yogananda, he believes concentration is more effective because it deals directly with the prana (pranaYama=prana control). Prana is the life link that connects the astral body with the physical body, before the consciousness can expand it must be released from being 'trapped' in the physical body, these 'trap doors' are the chakras. The prana (and the consciousness which is it's counterpart) is trapped in the physical body due to Attachmentslust, anger and greed to name a few. That is why some proficiency in the Yama and Niyamas are necessary before the serpent fire can awaken (Yoga is both the MEANS AND the end). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, emptybill wrote: Empty: Those stages of subtly are common stages discussed in Tantric Deity yoga and in Kashmiri Trika Shaiva teachings. Vag: They're also used in the Shankaracharya tradition, which uses the approach of tantra, leading to nondual contemplation. This is the path of SBS ME: This is not Shankara's Kevala Vedanta but the yogic advaita (post-Vidyaranya) which contradicts Shankara in many ways. A mix of Tantric and Puranic worship is standard in most Hinduism. Billy Bob, get dat toothpick outta yo' brain. Get some experience, den get back to us. Vag: The bottom line is, if the bindu is not pierced and the ajna is not bridged, the road to samadhi and full transcendence can never occur. ME: SSRS told me that transcending in meditation (TM-Sahaj) is crossing the tri-veni. That is why the Ajña is called the inner tri-veni or the confluence of the three principle nadi-s. Again, another awakened teacher contradicts your assertions. Billy Bub: Shree Ravi was just one of Mahesh's boyz. His lineage is dee M-sters: it don't exist. Pleez don't hypervent on meez. Capiche? Empty: You purposely left out the conclusions of Svami Lakshman Joo, the last Trika guru from Kashmir, a friend of MMY. He fully endorsed the transcending process of TM. In fact, MMY got some of his understanding from SKJ. Vag: He may or may not have recognized it. But I doubt he would have recognized it as any more than a preliminary. ME: This kind of dismissal of Swami Lakshman Joo clearly demonstrates your selective polemic and wonton editing without regard for his actual statements. SRSS and SLJ agree with MMY. You do not and thus you strike out. Try staying with Dzogchen. You lack the objectivity to discuss TM or MMY. Bub: the criticism against moi ist becuz I'm too objective. Where yu been?
