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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/ astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. The Rama guy I worked with for a while described this phenomenon (quite accur- ately, in my opinion) in two words: SELF IMPORTANCE Interestingly, if you Google some of the articles surrounding the Y2K non-event, you'll find a number of scholarly articles that point out that *there has never been a time in history that humans weren't claiming that the Apocalypse was right around the corner*. The scholars' theory for why this is true? Same as my former teacher's -- self impor- tance. Everyone likes to believe that THEY are so important that the world revolves around THEM, and that therefore the era THEY were born into is the most importantest, ever. Add to this the rejection of Here And Now and pleasures *in* the Here And Now that many spiritual groups espouse, and you have a potent formula for creating a psychic dependence on a belief in the Afterlife, or in some kind of Beam me up, Scotty Apocalypse/Rapture event to save them -- again, because THEY are so important that *of course* THEY will be the ones saved. I completely agree with you on this subject: the extent to which a supposed spiritual seeker focuses on Apocalypse fantasies or Doomsday fantasies or The Second Coming or *however* you choose to dress it up reveals the degree of *poverty* inherent in their Here And Now spiritual path, not its depth or profundity. Who would be so focused on some imagined future *except* someone who is incapable of fully appreciating the joys and the wonder of the present? My only argument was that it's not quite as bad as most people think... Again, I agree. One of the common spiritual fantasies that goes hand in hand with promising Heaven On Earth...someday is a belief that Things Were Better Way Back Then, in the Vedic era or in the Atlantean era or whenever. History tells us this is not true. So does common sense. We actually *DO* have a better quality of life Here And Now than in most times in the past, and yet People Complain More. Go figure. Buncha whiners, if you ask me. The bottom line from my perspective is a simple misreading of The Nature Of Time by so-called spiritual seekers. Many of them envision enlight- enment or whatever their spiritual goal is as something that will happen in the future. But enlightenment NEVER happens in the future. It only happens Here And Now, to someone who is fully **IN** the Here And Now. Those who are busy waiting for it to magically appear sometime in the future will be waiting forever, because it (enlightenment) NEVER appears there. It can't; it's very *nature* is Now-ness.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: The Rama guy I worked with for a while described this phenomenon (quite accur- ately, in my opinion) in two words: SELF IMPORTANCE After his guru uttered these two words, the Turq was stuck. Every day, on a 50 weekly post basis on FFL mostly denouncing his previous encounters with Saints that kicked him out of sight for security reasons, we are remindend of this. Again, again and again. Day after day, 50 posts every week due to something that happened more than 30 years ago ! SELF IMPORTANCE par excellence !
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Message #222648 from Turqilingam: Everyone likes to believe that THEY are so important that the world revolves around THEM, and that therefore the era THEY were born into is the most importantest, ever. described this phenomenon (quite accurately, in my opinion) in two words SELF IMPORTANCE Again, I agree. Buncha whiners, if you ask me The bottom line from my perspective Yep folks, no doubt about it - the Barry-atric * I * is just too magnificent and vast for such a small universe as *ours *. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/ astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. The Rama guy I worked with for a while described this phenomenon (quite accur- ately, in my opinion) in two words: SELF IMPORTANCE Interestingly, if you Google some of the articles surrounding the Y2K non-event, you'll find a number of scholarly articles that point out that *there has never been a time in history that humans weren't claiming that the Apocalypse was right around the corner*. The scholars' theory for why this is true? Same as my former teacher's -- self impor- tance. Everyone likes to believe that THEY are so important that the world revolves around THEM, and that therefore the era THEY were born into is the most importantest, ever. Add to this the rejection of Here And Now and pleasures *in* the Here And Now that many spiritual groups espouse, and you have a potent formula for creating a psychic dependence on a belief in the Afterlife, or in some kind of Beam me up, Scotty Apocalypse/Rapture event to save them -- again, because THEY are so important that *of course* THEY will be the ones saved. I completely agree with you on this subject: the extent to which a supposed spiritual seeker focuses on Apocalypse fantasies or Doomsday fantasies or The Second Coming or *however* you choose to dress it up reveals the degree of *poverty* inherent in their Here And Now spiritual path, not its depth or profundity. Who would be so focused on some imagined future *except* someone who is incapable of fully appreciating the joys and the wonder of the present? My only argument was that it's not quite as bad as most people think... Again, I agree. One of the common spiritual fantasies that goes hand in hand with promising Heaven On Earth...someday is a belief that Things Were Better Way Back Then, in the Vedic era or in the Atlantean era or whenever. History tells us this is not true. So does common sense. We actually *DO* have a better quality of life Here And Now than in most times in the past, and yet People Complain More. Go figure. Buncha whiners, if you ask me. The bottom line from my perspective is a simple misreading of The Nature Of Time by so-called spiritual seekers. Many of them envision enlight- enment or whatever their spiritual goal is as something that will happen in the future. But enlightenment NEVER happens in the future. It only happens Here And Now, to someone who is fully **IN** the Here And Now. Those who are busy waiting for it to magically appear sometime in the future will be waiting forever, because it (enlightenment) NEVER appears there. It can't; it's very *nature* is Now-ness.
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/ astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. The Rama guy I worked with for a while described this phenomenon (quite accur- ately, in my opinion) in two words: SELF IMPORTANCE So this self importance pseudo-advaita is from they psyhopath you worked with for a while? He must have been a student of the KGB method of brainwashing or was an agent himself. :-D Gotta stay away from those cults, Turq. They will try to mess with your mind unless you are strong enough to watch them play the game with you (and therefore immune). In my circles egocentrism is called I am somethingness but not to be confused with self confidence.With spiritual sadhana the small self (ego) tends to drop away but not entirely. If it drops away entirely we are usually trying to contact your next of kin. :-D Yes there are certainly people who believe that any point in history seem to believe there is an apocalypse on the horizon. And yes generally they are proved wrong. But the all bets have been off since Alamogardo. Given that your leaders are stupid enough to allow the economy to dysfunction as badly as it is today they might be stupid enough to start a WW III to get out of this economic depression. Hey, yuck, yuck, it worked before so why not now? But playing the nuclear game is very dangerous. And then maybe 2012 is going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. They may try to produce it. Reasonable people know there is no need for any apocalypse. We can make life livable for everyone. We have the technology. We have the minds. Just unfortunately the minds needed are not the ones with the purse strings that make things happen. So rather than wasting your energy on folks on FFL, who for the most part are moving away from the dominance of the small ego at their own pace go lecture to the ones with the purse strings. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms. After all you were a student of that VIP Frederick Lenz and therefore a VIP yourself! :-)
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I've about had it with hearing about this new wave coming in according to psychics and astrologers. Y2K wasn't anything special. George Bush was supposed to be the ultimate Rakshasha to bring doom to the entire world, but the world is still turning. I'm aware of many prophecies and predictions, and they're either not coming true, or they're way over exaggerated. Dear clients and friends of Astrological Varieties, I have just posted predictions for the second half of 2009. Go to Astrological http://www.yogavisionaries.com/ Varieties. I'm on my way right now!! As many of you know we live at a time of great transition from what humanity has been experiencing over the last 10,000 years. Yeah, it started with the industrial revolution and the snowball effect has been going since then. New energy is available over the next 13 years to change the vibrational frequencies in each cell of our bodies in order to support a different way of living that is much easier. Because of the continued lack of interest in holistic healthcare by the government and AMA, the collective stress continues to build and the habits and ways of living life continue down a road that is not productive for the full development of the human nervous system. You mean to tell me, that all of a sudden health issues are a serious concern? At this day in age, no matter how bad our health care system is, it's still better than anytime in the history of the world(including 3rd world countries). So what the hell is everybody so stressed about? We don't have it any harder than any other generation in the known history of the world. So if we're stressed, it's not a sign of collective stress, it's a bunch of whiny adults complaining that they have to experience the same weaknesses and illnesses that have been an inevitible part of human existence since the known history of the world began. There is a light at the end of the tunnel and many have asked me about 2012. The energy to make the quantum leap in 2012 starts now as the new Moon in Cancer today is being influenced by a conjunction (Merging) of energy created by Neptune, Jupiter and Chiron. As long as meditation and other spiritual and religious techniques of purification are not used to sweep away the left over debris of negativity caused by this new energy coming in it will create stressful situations that remind us that violence in all of its forms is not going away. If you take a bunch of immature 9 year olds and put them in a college classroom does that mean they'll all of a sudden start behaving? No. Same with several billion young souls. We can change our atmosphere in this world all we want, but a young soul will still be a young soul, and therefore will eventually perform destructive actions. Therefore, I will continue to recommend that everyone participate in Yoga, meditation, prayer or anything that can reconnect us to our inner being of simplicity. Simplify your mind and get plenty of exercise. Sun light on the face is also very important. Wishing everyone a happy summer of 2009. I will be busy working on my new book âFull Moon Messages from the Pleiadianâsâ to be available September 12th on my online store via e-book so you can read it while I am shopping for a publisher. I hope this is all true, because that means my life is about to get a LOT easier. But just in case, i'm still keeping my day job :)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: snip You mean to tell me, that all of a sudden health issues are a serious concern? At this day in age, no matter how bad our health care system is, it's still better than anytime in the history of the world(including 3rd world countries). So what the hell is everybody so stressed about? Maybe that it *costs* us twice as much per capita as it does in any other country, for no better standard of care (and in some cases worse)?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: snip You mean to tell me, that all of a sudden health issues are a serious concern? At this day in age, no matter how bad our health care system is, it's still better than anytime in the history of the world(including 3rd world countries). So what the hell is everybody so stressed about? Maybe that it *costs* us twice as much per capita as it does in any other country, for no better standard of care (and in some cases worse)? I'm aware that some people aren't getting health care, or on the other hand are getting sub-standard care at the same price, or are just plain paying too damn much. But my case is, what did they do 500 years ago,or 1000 years ago, or how about the time frame that Krishna or Rama were on the Earth? Was it really much better back then? Does this generation really have it so much worse than any generation in world history that we need to be stressed about it? I think the only true difference between the world now, and in the past, is that we're slowly but surely overpopulating the Earth. The resources needed are no longer going to be available if the birth rate continues to incline at the rate it already is. All i'm getting at is that life, in general, isn't getting any harder than it ever has been since our species has existed. seekliberation
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: snip All i'm getting at is that life, in general, isn't getting any harder than it ever has been since our species has existed. 'Samatta, you one of those Life is suffering dudes?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I've about had it with hearing about this new wave coming in according to psychics and astrologers. Y2K wasn't anything special. George Bush was supposed to be the ultimate Rakshasha to bring doom to the entire world, but the world is still turning. I'm aware of many prophecies and predictions, and they're either not coming true, or they're way over exaggerated. (snip) The Y2K thingy, could happen by some predictions... According to a NASA study, released this past January, 2009... There could be a solar plasma release from the sun, Which could damage the electrical grid... Sometime before the 2012 cycle change. Thereby causing major power outages throughout the world... In such a case, the lesser developed countries, would be better advantaged to deal with the crisis, as they are less dependent on electricity, than we are... The kids, nowadays, are so dependent on cells, I-pods, and social networking, that in a case of power failure... They would be totally lost... R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: snip All i'm getting at is that life, in general, isn't getting any harder than it ever has been since our species has existed. 'Samatta, you one of those Life is suffering dudes? I don't believe life is suffering. But I do have a tendency to look at the big picture before I complain about things. I agree we should always strive to make our conditions better in life. In fact, I've made myself a rather comfortable life as it is. But if I feel uncomfortable, uneasy, ill, overworked (and I have been all of these on occasion), I look around and notice that there aren't too many people in this world that have it any easier than I do. If i'm hungry, there's a grocery store down the road with every food I could ever imagine. If I have a medical problem, I can get aspirin, I can get homeopathic medicine, I can see a medical doctor, I can go to a chiropractor, I can go to a acupuncture therapist. If I don't have the money on hand to pay for these things, there are numerous stores with 'help wanted' signs that will gladly pay me $10-12 an hour. Within 2 weeks i'd have enough money to pay for an initial consultation, and within a few months i'd have enough to pay for just about anything else (excluding the obvious: open heart surgery, brain tumor, etc...). I also have a vehicle that can take me to the grocery store or the doctors office. If i'm hot, it has a/c, if i'm cold, i turn up the heat. If I want to listen to 80's rock, I turn on my satellite radio. If I get lost on the way to the doctors office or grocery store, I pull out the Garmin GPS system and plug in the address and i'm all of a sudden found again. If I get bored, I stop at a bar and have a few drinks, or go see a movie at the theater, or go to the gym and work out. Basically, my life is more convenient than the life of a King or a President prior to the Industrial Revolution. Not even royalty from Medieval times had as good of a life as I do. And you know what the funny thing is? I'm about as low-class of a person as there is. I get very sweaty, dirty and lift heavy things in order to make a living, and I come from a very low class family(I don't mean that in a derogatory way). Basically, the original post indicated that people are unusually stressed out at the time being. I, personally can't figure out why. I know there are some legitimate stories of tragedy out there, but across the board people(ESPECIALLY AMERICANS) are having an easier life as the years and centuries go by. There will still be ups and downs from time to time, and many 3rd world countries will remain in their current state for generations to come. But IMO people are looking through a funnel when they complain about how hard their lives are, and not looking at the reality of what it means to be human in its enirety. Last but not least, one observation I have had over the years is that the people who i've met who complain the most are usually the ones who have it the easiest. seekliberation
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: snip Basically, the original post indicated that people are unusually stressed out at the time being. I, personally can't figure out why. I know there are some legitimate stories of tragedy out there, but across the board people(ESPECIALLY AMERICANS) are having an easier life as the years and centuries go by. Centuries and generations, maybe, but it may be a lot to ask that people not feel stressed when their own lives are getting tougher in comparison to what they were a few years ago. And there are a *lot* of legitimate stories of tragedy, or at least significant hardship, out there. I've been lucky, you've been lucky; but food banks across the country, just as one example, are having trouble staying stocked, both because so many people need food and because donations have gone down. There will still be ups and downs from time to time, and many 3rd world countries will remain in their current state for generations to come. But IMO people are looking through a funnel when they complain about how hard their lives are, and not looking at the reality of what it means to be human in its enirety. I suppose that's true. But somehow it doesn't move me to get on a soapbox and tell people to suck it up when they're hurting.
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I suppose that's true. But somehow it doesn't move me to get on a soapbox and tell people to suck it up when they're hurting. I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. My only argument was that it's not quite as bad as most people think, and by all means I am excluding those who have truly been overcome by personal tragedies in life. I've had my own as well, and would never try to convince those who've been through 'really' hard times that they have nothing to complain about. seekliberation
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: snip You mean to tell me, that all of a sudden health issues are a serious concern? At this day in age, no matter how bad our health care system is, it's still better than anytime in the history of the world(including 3rd world countries). So what the hell is everybody so stressed about? Maybe that it *costs* us twice as much per capita as it does in any other country, for no better standard of care (and in some cases worse)? I'm aware that some people aren't getting health care, or on the other hand are getting sub-standard care at the same price, or are just plain paying too damn much. But my case is, what did they do 500 years ago,or 1000 years ago, or how about the time frame that Krishna or Rama were on the Earth? Was it really much better back then? Does this generation really have it so much worse than any generation in world history that we need to be stressed about it? I think the only true difference between the world now, and in the past, is that we're slowly but surely overpopulating the Earth. The resources needed are no longer going to be available if the birth rate continues to incline at the rate it already is. All i'm getting at is that life, in general, isn't getting any harder than it ever has been since our species has existed. seekliberation Some countries birth rate isn't up to even a maintenance level- if it keeps up, they will go out of business.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I suppose that's true. But somehow it doesn't move me to get on a soapbox and tell people to suck it up when they're hurting. I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. Oh, gee, no need to apologize! It would have been fine even if you did. I'm just saying, I can see the truth of what you're saying, but it doesn't *do* anything for me. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. No argument from me on that point. We *could* use a heavenly wave to lift us off our butts and give us a good kick in the pants, though. My only argument was that it's not quite as bad as most people think, and by all means I am excluding those who have truly been overcome by personal tragedies in life. I've had my own as well, and would never try to convince those who've been through 'really' hard times that they have nothing to complain about. Duly noted. I was really picking up on the political point about the cost of health care in this country being a big problem for many people, and for the country as a whole.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I suppose that's true. But somehow it doesn't move me to get on a soapbox and tell people to suck it up when they're hurting. I didn't mean to get on a soapbox about it, sorry if it seemed that way. It was just a little frustration that i've had for the last 20 years seeing all these psychic/astrological predictions that some magical wave of consciousness is overcome us all and create a heavenly wave that will lift us all above our current condition just like that, no doing on our part at all. My only argument was that it's not quite as bad as most people think, and by all means I am excluding those who have truly been overcome by personal tragedies in life. I've had my own as well, and would never try to convince those who've been through 'really' hard times that they have nothing to complain about. seekliberation They say, the people who are having and will be having a 'hard time'... Are those that have been most 'bought into' the system, that is falling down... If they had a house, that is worth less now, or a retirement package that's worth less now, or if they planned on going to graduate school to get an M.B.A., those easy money days are over... If they are continuing to believe in the 'American Dream', Of getting rich, on someone else's back, and fence everyone out... And then expect to be happy... The simple folk are happier... The ones dependent on the way things were, are holding on to dust. R.G.
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They say, the people who are having and will be having a 'hard time'... Are those that have been most 'bought into' the system, that is falling down... If they had a house, that is worth less now, or a retirement package that's worth less now, or if they planned on going to graduate school to get an M.B.A., those easy money days are over... If they are continuing to believe in the 'American Dream', Of getting rich, on someone else's back, and fence everyone out... And then expect to be happy... The simple folk are happier... The ones dependent on the way things were, are holding on to dust. R.G. I've been saying for years that I can't wait till the system breaks down. It will make my personal life a little harder, but I think mentally and spiritually i'd be a lot more relaxed.
