[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > > the bait.) 
> > > 
> > > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> > 
> > "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive
> > cunt."
> > 
> > Priceless.
> 
> Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't "call" Ann a stupid
> vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*

No, she didn't. She said that was what you might think.

Learn to read, Barry. Stop being such a stupid vindictive cunt.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> [...]
> > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > the bait.) 
> > 
> > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> 
> "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."
> 
> Priceless.

Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't "call" Ann a stupid
vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*, quibbling 
only about the "stupid" part. I merely commented on
what stupid vindictive cunts *generically* tend to
do to reveal what they are. :-)

People are SO afraid of words. Some, who mainly have
no experience with how the word "cunt" is used in 
many places in the world, think that it has some
pejorative meaning associated with the female anatomy.
Not so. In most non-American cultures, calling either 
a man *or* a woman a cunt has a very clear meaning.
A cunt is someone who is consistently vindictive and
who not only holds grudges but who acts on them at
every given opportunity. 

Male, female really doesn't matter. c.f. "In Bruges."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

Barry wrote years ago that he had gotten in touch with his inner assh*le 
(charming image). I suggest he do the same with this, the   other troublesome 
organ of his anatomy, his inner "stupid vindictive"  c*nt. I'll supply the 
flashlight and gloves.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> [...]
> > > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > > the bait.) 
> > 
> > No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> > case for what they are without my involvement. 
> > 
> 
> "I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."
> 
> Priceless.
> 
> 
> L
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
[...]
> > Barry, you have used this "argument" a number of times 
> > already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from 
> > FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule 
> > of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am 
> > some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me 
> > stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to 
> > the bait.) 
> 
> No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the
> case for what they are without my involvement. 
> 

"I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt."

Priceless.


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

I don't think so, for now. MJ is in a place where he is seeing the wholeness of 
that which he devoted himself to for a long time, for the first time. 
Fortunately the fantasies he held about Maharishi and the TMO are evaporating. 

That leaves MJ vulnerable to Barry chiming in regularly with his Spiritual 
Critic and Advisor routine. As long as MJ doesn't make a lifestyle out of his 
current realizations about the TMO, he'll grow out of it, and see Barry for the 
exceptionally narrow-minded resource that he is.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
> > I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
> > arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
> > inability to think clearly), he's OK.
> 
> I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
> recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
> this morning. Can he tell the difference between "vile
> cussing-out" and serious dislocation from reality?
> 
> Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
> straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
> that won't be obvious to others.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation.
> I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, 
> arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his
> inability to think clearly), he's OK.

I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to
recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant
this morning. Can he tell the difference between "vile
cussing-out" and serious dislocation from reality?

Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came
straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think
that won't be obvious to others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much 
care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and 
hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Me start TM again - surely you jest

Yes MJ, I do jest. 

 >- as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but 
 >I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and 
 >some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a 
 >good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing

And I say it is all a process, for all of us (figuring out this life and our 
individual place in it) and you can find value in whatever and whoever you 
choose to. It is just that my experience of Barry is different than yours. I 
have stated how I feel, I think you get it, so I will leave it at that.



> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads 
> > - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy 
> > regardless of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on 
> > FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to 
> > time.
> 
> And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That 
> is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will 
> last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start 
> TM again. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > "The New Movement" - Buck
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> > this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. 
> > They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, 
> > and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> > 
> > No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> > his golden oldies.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > > times more eloquently that I do
> > > 
> > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > > said it 10 times before here:
> > > 
> > > 2/4/13
> > > 
> > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/8/11
> > > 
> > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > > his fictional case, literally).
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2/15/10
> > > 
> > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > > could realize it.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 9/3/09
> > > 
> > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Me start TM again - surely you jest - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't 
really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and 
his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me 
in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express 
it through his writing





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
(snip)
> It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
> original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
> listed),

In one of the posts from which I quoted, that should be.
I didn't quote the part where he attributes it to someone
else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what
> is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry -
> it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone
> else thinks -

It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not
original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I
listed), but it begins to lose its charm after many
repetitions (especially when he tends to write about it
each time as if he'd just come up with it).

> I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz
> he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

There's a lot more to it than that. Let's just say we
know him a whole lot better than you do.

BTW, I don't think anyone said you were trying to insult
or criticize him. It was clear you were complimenting
him. And of course you had no idea how stale his post was.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - 
> I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless 
> of what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike 
> Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.

And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is 
fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last 
only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM 
again. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in 
> this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They 
> very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the 
> need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 
> 
> No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to 
> his golden oldies.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> &

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I 
actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of 
what anyone else thinks -  I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz 
he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. 

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convince

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[doctordumbass]

Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this 
case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very 
much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need 
for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke.  

No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his 
golden oldies.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

; > > > 9/3/09
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > > > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > > > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > > > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > > > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > > > > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > > would do if I were to be 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

 > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > >
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > always been available to him.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 5/8/06
> > > >
> > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3/18/06
> > > >
> > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > to fly.
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would
> do
> > > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it
> up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> harassment
> > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
>
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > > > >
> > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > > trunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mantras don't "allow&quo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

t; > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > >
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as
to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I
would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to
look it up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

on into realizing what is already present, and
> > > > > has always already been present.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/29/08
> > > > > 
> > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > > > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > > > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > > > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > > > > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6/30/07
> > > > > 
> > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > > to "work."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11/24/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10/30/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > > always been available to him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5/8/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3/18/06
> > > > > 
> > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > > to fly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > > would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too 
> > > > > > lazy to look it up.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

ing what he had been able to do all along.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 6/30/07
> > > > 
> > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > > to "work."
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 11/24/06
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > > as moodmaking.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 10/30/06
> > > > 
> > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > > always been available to him.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 5/8/06
> > > > 
> > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 3/18/06
> > > > 
> > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > > to fly.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I 
> > > > > would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy 
> > > > > to look it up.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual 
> > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > > trunk. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mantras don't "allow"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > >
> > >
> > > 10/30/06
> > >
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > >
> > >
> > > 5/8/06
> > >
> > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > >
> > >
> > > 3/18/06
> > >
> > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > to fly.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do
> > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > > >
> > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > trunk.
> > > >
> > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > > >
> > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > > present.
> > > >
> > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not
> > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative.
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: sound of stillness 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
> > True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made
> > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > > >
> > > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
> > movement unfolding?
> &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

IMO,
> > > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > > to "work."
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 11/24/06
> > > 
> > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > > as moodmaking.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 10/30/06
> > > 
> > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > > always been available to him.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 5/8/06
> > > 
> > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 3/18/06
> > > 
> > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > > to fly.
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would 
> > > > do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look 
> > > > it up.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 
> > > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > > 
> > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > > trunk. 
> > > > 
> > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > > 
> > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > > present.
> > > > 
> > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
> > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: sound of stillness 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual 
> > > > > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the 
> > > > > True Self' that Stephen describes t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Share Long]

Ok, ok but being my annoying self I can't help but notice and point out that 
the oldest item on the list occurred almost EXACTLY 7 years ago.  As spooky as 
that is, gotta be a jyotish explanation for that (-:





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing 
> for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much 
> he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for 
> bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
> Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New 
> Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."?

As a matter of fact, yes:

"I might also point out that searching the Web for information
to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior."
- Judy Stein, 11 February 2013

Also:

"Repetition is the mother of retention." 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > > times more eloquently that I do
> > 
> > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> > said it 10 times before here:
> > 
> > 2/4/13
> > 
> > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> > he had been capable of doing all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> > 
> > 
> > 2/8/11
> > 
> > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> > his fictional case, literally).
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> > 
> > 
> > 2/15/10
> > 
> > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> > could realize it.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> > 
> > 
> > 9/3/09
> > 
> > The second concept on which we might differ is about
> > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> > the person into realizing what is already present, and
> > has always already been present.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> > 
> > 
> > 4/29/08
> > 
> > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> > doing what he had been able to do all along.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> > 
> > 
> > 6/30/07
> > 
> > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> > that's the only reason that astrology appears
> > to "work."
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> > 
> > 
> > 11/24/06
> > 
> > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> > as moodmaking.
> > 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

mitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/06
> > 
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> > 
> > 
> > 3/18/06
> > 
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> > > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do 
> > > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - 
> > > "The New Movement" - Buck
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> > > 
> > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > trunk. 
> > > 
> > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. 
> > > 
> > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > present.
> > > 
> > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
> > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: sound of stillness 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment 
> > > > - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > > 
> > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True 
> > > > Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made 
> > > > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > > 
> > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > > 
> > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new 
> > > > movement unfolding? 
> > > > 
> > > > What's the vision bro?
> > > > 
> > > > Michael
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come 
> > > > > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those 
> > > > > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from 
> > > > > the whole movement.  Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  
> > > > > Even for the guy at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here 
> > > > > > > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > > 
&g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

o transcend his own self-
> > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> > always been available to him.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> >
> >
> > 5/8/06
> >
> > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> > fly was always present, just not realized.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> >
> >
> > 3/18/06
> >
> > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
> > to fly.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429
> >
> >
> >
> > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the
> alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do
> if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
> - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO
> > >
> > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a
> > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
> > > trunk.
> > >
> > > It was never magic. It was just a feather.
> > >
> > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
> > > people into recognizing what has always already been
> > > present.
> > >
> > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
> > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
> > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not
> > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative.
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: sound of stillness 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual
> harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck
> > > >
> > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the
> True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made
> after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> > > >
> > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> > > >
> > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new
> movement unfolding?
> > > >
> > > > What's the vision bro?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come
> forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those
> facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the
> whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy
> at the top.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here
> comparing TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Ann]

Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it 
appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has 
someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? 
Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New Jersey with no life 
would have bothered to look this up."?

Still laughing

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> > times more eloquently that I do
> 
> That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
> said it 10 times before here:
> 
> 2/4/13
> 
> I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
> movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
> in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
> fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
> ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
> he had been capable of doing all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480
> 
> 
> 2/8/11
> 
> She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
> "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
> movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
> given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
> magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
> as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
> his fictional case, literally).
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265
> 
> 
> 2/15/10
> 
> The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
> meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
> could realize it.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345
> 
> 
> 9/3/09
> 
> The second concept on which we might differ is about
> "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
> that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
> myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
> That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
> the person into realizing what is already present, and
> has always already been present.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011
> 
> 
> 4/29/08
> 
> In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
> kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
> "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
> feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
> doing what he had been able to do all along.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308
> 
> 
> 6/30/07
> 
> Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
> tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
> universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
> When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
> fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
> belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
> that's the only reason that astrology appears
> to "work."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519
> 
> 
> 11/24/06
> 
> I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
> any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
> syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
> as moodmaking.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152
> 
> 
> 10/30/06
> 
> Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
> mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
> to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
> the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
> thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
> imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
> always been available to him.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069
> 
> 
> 5/8/06
> 
> Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
> the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
> enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
> the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
> fly was always present, just not realized.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
> 
> 
> 3/18/06
> 
> The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
> feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
> "magic feather" given to him was what enabled
> him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
> a trick. He never needed *anything*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10
> times more eloquently that I do

That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's
said it 10 times before here:

2/4/13

I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney
movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held
in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could
fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed
ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what
he had been capable of doing all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480


2/8/11

She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as
"Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney
movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been
given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't
magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long
as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in
his fictional case, literally).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265


2/15/10

The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a 
meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he
could realize it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345


9/3/09

The second concept on which we might differ is about
"nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
the person into realizing what is already present, and
has always already been present.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011


4/29/08

In other words, I see systems of any kind as being
kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't
"make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The
feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into
doing what he had been able to do all along.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308


6/30/07

Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic-
tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the
universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon?
When he held the feather in his trunk, he could
fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's
belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO,
that's the only reason that astrology appears
to "work."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519


11/24/06

I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all;
any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather"
syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known
as moodmaking.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152


10/30/06

Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and
mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him
to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is,
the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some-
thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self-
imposed limitations and realize an ability that had
always been available to him.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069


5/8/06

Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was
the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that
enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out,
the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to
fly was always present, just not realized.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433


3/18/06

The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's
feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the
"magic feather" given to him was what enabled
him to fly, and that it was special. But it was
a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able
to fly.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429



> - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
> alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if 
> I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > no thoughts no mantra no TMO 
> 
> My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
> upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
> can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
> kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
> to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently 
that I do - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the 
alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I 
were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
> 
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> no thoughts no mantra no TMO 

My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked
upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you
can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a 
kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him
to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his
trunk. 

It was never magic. It was just a feather. 

Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick
people into recognizing what has always already been
present.

As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks
about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy*
to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not 
quite as easy to come up with an alternative. 

> 
>  From: sound of stillness 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
> New Movement" - Buck
>  
> It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
> that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
> founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.
> 
> Who is "the new movement" that you mention?
> 
> If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
> unfolding? 
> 
> What's the vision bro?
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> > and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with 
> > an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  
> > Make it clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing 
> > > > TM and the Papists the other morning.
> > > > Such synchrony.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity 
> > > > > > in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual 
> > > > > harassment guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > A marrie

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[Michael Jackson]

no thoughts no mantra no TMO 





 From: sound of stillness 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The 
New Movement" - Buck
 

  


It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal>
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck

[sound of stillness]

It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' 
that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's 
founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave.

Who is "the new movement" that you mention?

If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new movement 
unfolding? 

What's the vision bro?

Michael


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward 
> and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those facilities with an 
> expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement.  Make it 
> clear.  Make a break from the past.  Even for the guy at the top.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > >  Interesting this comes out now.  We were just talking here comparing TM 
> > > and the Papists the other morning.
> > > Such synchrony.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in 
> > > > > India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this 
> > > > > gang-rape case, which is still going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the 
> > > > movement in India will be dead.
> > > > 
> > 
> >  According to the newspaper accounts
> > it is more than sexual harassment,
> > 'twas molestation and predatory.
> >   
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment 
> > > > guideline for its employees and officers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or 
> > > > > testicles, there's gonna be trouble.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone 
> > > > > > around it now,  for all the good people who work properly with 
> > > > > > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great 
> > > > > > things.  This is disheartening sickening.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She's a very brave person.  He's a very powerful man.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bhopal
> > > > > > > >  has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya 
> > > > > > > > Mandir group
> > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental 
> > > > > > > > torture.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier 
> > > > > > > > this year at
> > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to 
> > > > > > > > Bhopal couple of
> > > > > > > > days ago.
> > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission 
> > > > > > > > (SWC) alleging
> > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked 
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with 
> > > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take 
> > > > > > > > her along
> > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star 
> > > > > > > > hotel was
> > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away 
> > > > > > > > on errands
> > > > > > > > and then molest her.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but 
> > > > > > > > when it
> > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to 
> > > > > > > > file a
> > > > > > > > complaint.
> > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband had been 
> > > > > > > > trying to
> > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims 
> > > > > > > > that he sent
> > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned 
> > > > > > > > Varma's image on
> > > > > > > > social networking sites.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
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