[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: And who knows, maybe you can't teach offical TM in it unless it's an 'officially' certified SV House or you can only know the unofficial Self Trying to find certified North, JohnY You definately can't teach TM in a normal house no matter where it faces. MMY has said he won't speak to anyone unless they are in perfect vastu, I assume this goes for the US of A too. Good luck with the compass It's the Pundits I need to run the compass that are the problem, Hugh. They can't seem to get a visa for their cooks. JohnY In the age of enlightnement they will live of prana! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY I think this 20% donation on SV homes comes from the fact no-one is learning at the moment due to high price of TM. No Hugh, If the 20% donation is what I think it is, it happens because people are willing to pay it (or stupid enough to, depending on your point of view.) How can there be movement related expenses in Scorpion Land, if there is no movement? JohnY I've asked people who want sv homes what they think of the donation and they just accept it without question as part of the deal, some telling themselves it's for the greater good as the money goes to international for little gold crowns, sorry for development projects. And who knows, maybe you can't teach offical TM in it unless it's an 'officially' certified SV House or you can only know the unofficial Self Trying to find certified North, JohnY You definately can't teach TM in a normal house no matter where it faces. MMY has said he won't speak to anyone unless they are in perfect vastu, I assume this goes for the US of A too. Good luck with the compass Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: And who knows, maybe you can't teach offical TM in it unless it's an 'officially' certified SV House or you can only know the unofficial Self Trying to find certified North, JohnY You definately can't teach TM in a normal house no matter where it faces. MMY has said he won't speak to anyone unless they are in perfect vastu, I assume this goes for the US of A too. Good luck with the compass It's the Pundits I need to run the compass that are the problem, Hugh. They can't seem to get a visa for their cooks. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY I think this 20% donation on SV homes comes from the fact no-one is learning at the moment due to high price of TM. No Hugh, If the 20% donation is what I think it is, it happens because people are willing to pay it (or stupid enough to, depending on your point of view.) How can there be movement related expenses in Scorpion Land, if there is no movement? JohnY I've asked people who want sv homes what they think of the donation and they just accept it without question as part of the deal, some telling themselves it's for the greater good as the money goes to international for little gold crowns, sorry for development projects. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY I think this 20% donation on SV homes comes from the fact no-one is learning at the moment due to high price of TM. No Hugh, If the 20% donation is what I think it is, it happens because people are willing to pay it (or stupid enough to, depending on your point of view.) How can there be movement related expenses in Scorpion Land, if there is no movement? JohnY I've asked people who want sv homes what they think of the donation and they just accept it without question as part of the deal, some telling themselves it's for the greater good as the money goes to international for little gold crowns, sorry for development projects. And who knows, maybe you can't teach offical TM in it unless it's an 'officially' certified SV House or you can only know the unofficial Self Trying to find certified North, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong.The independent teachers "illegally" holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days.The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got "donated" was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY I think this 20% "donation" on SV homes comes from the fact no-one is learning at the moment due to high price of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/21/06 8:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 4:48 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. I agree with the above, but sometimes I think that Maharishi never intended to send them, and was just humoring Bob Wynne. Denise Denniston-Gerace's comment on this issue is that MMY wants to make Vedic City a major pilgrimage point in the USA for Hindus, so of course he wants the pundits there. True. I saw the rendering of an incredible temple complex that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build. It would be fine by me if it got built, but I don't know where the money would come from. I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make hagelin president. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make hagelin president. A fairly safe prediction. :-) I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO higher-ups with the common people they think they are appealing to. I mean (a question for those of you who might know), how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone face to face who does not practice TM and who has the money to buy their way into his presence? Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for and distance from the common people of the planet. The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. Bush pretending to understand and care about the problems of the middle class in America. Bush not only knows nothing about them; chances are that he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be surrounded only by people of his class. These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's *fantasies* of what people are like and what they want, not what people are really like and what they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi Hendrix once sang: And so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make hagelin president. A fairly safe prediction. :-) I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO higher-ups with the common people they think they are appealing to. I mean (a question for those of you who might know), how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone face to face who does not practice TM and who does not have the money to buy their way into his presence? Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for and distance from the common people of the planet. The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. Bush pretending to understand and care about the problems of the middle class in America. Bush not only knows nothing about them; chances are that he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be surrounded only by people of his class. These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's *fantasies* of what people are like and what they want, not what people are really like and what they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi Hendrix once sang: And so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY I think this 20% donation on SV homes comes from the fact no-one is learning at the moment due to high price of TM. No Hugh, If the 20% donation is what I think it is, it happens because people are willing to pay it (or stupid enough to, depending on your point of view.) How can there be movement related expenses in Scorpion Land, if there is no movement? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
In addition to not wishing to communicate with anyone other than lackies, I suspect that MMY also tells himself stories to explain away the lack of $ucce$$ of his $cheme$. Possibly the tale about him throwing our The Beatles is one of his own? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make hagelin president. A fairly safe prediction. :-) I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO higher-ups with the common people they think they are appealing to. I mean (a question for those of you who might know), how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone face to face who does not practice TM and who does not have the money to buy their way into his presence? Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for and distance from the common people of the planet. The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. Bush pretending to understand and care about the problems of the middle class in America. Bush not only knows nothing about them; chances are that he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be surrounded only by people of his class. These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's *fantasies* of what people are like and what they want, not what people are really like and what they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi Hendrix once sang: And so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to not wishing to communicate with anyone other than lackies, I suspect that MMY also tells himself stories to explain away the lack of $ucce$$ of his $cheme$. Possibly the tale about him throwing our The Beatles is one of his own? Possibly? But how could you tell? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Sad. And saddest because of the mindset, that another way of thinking and believing presents competition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? Just look at the role models. Thanks Barry, coming from you, this is praising with faint damnation... I think it's a legitimate issue. The TMO has a 40-year history of being willing to violate social conventions and even its laws (money-laundering, for example) if it feels that the questionable action would somehow benefit the TMO or make it more able to spread its message. It's *very much* an ends justify the means organization. My point is that mindset trickles down. When people see the leaders of the TM organization able to justify or make excuses for questionable ethics, they tend to do so themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/19/06 11:40 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? I don't know what MMY's intentions were, but I do know that Ihave read maintstream Indian newspaper accounts of extremely large TMO facilities being razed because they failed to obtain the proper permits before building. I also recall someone in the TMO, years previously to my reading the Indian newspaper reports, describing MMY's attempts to circumvent the building code by having numerous TMO buildings half-built then moving on to the next in an effort to present the Indian government with a _fait accompli_ that would force them to provide the building permits retroactively. The impression the TM teacher gave was that this was a standard business practice in India, so perhaps it wasn't or changed recently, or perhaps the political power of MMY has waned in recent years and pressure was put on the courts to destroy what he had built, just because many ranking spiritual leaders in India actively despise MMY and the TMO for various reasons. IOW, just because you never heard about it (and how did you missit - - it was in movement publications AND mainstream Indian newspapers both), MMY made a good faith effort to use the money raised for the pundit housing in the way that the money was intended, albeit with perhaps poor judgement on how to deal with the current Indian legal system, so it seems obvious to me that MMY's intention WAS to use the money for the purpose for which it was raised. No I didn't hear about that but it's yet another theory about why it didn't happen! Why don't they just tell us what went wrong instead of trying to forget and hope we don't notice. It would silence the sceptices for a start, well not really as they have demobstrated they cannot be trusted so why start now?. I would love not to have to worry about things like this, it would be great if I still felt confident in the TMO. They should fess up to everything and try to rebuild some trust, people won't fall for it again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Thanks everyone for enlightening me about the pundit situation over there. That would annoy me intensely. Over here in scorpion land we had a lot of money raised for a new national centre donated to the pundits without even asking anyones permission and I know people ho give their life savings! No-one ever seems to rock the boat though, probably for fear of being thrown out. Sounds pretty whimmpy to me, Hugh. I thought that the whole country has already been thrown out. Who took the money from the last national center? How are the independent teachers doing over there? I remember all the promises that money would be returned if the pundit groups in india didn't happen, I doubt they will be able to get away with this again. So I hope they are spending the money on something useful and not just little gold crowns. Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yes it's wimpish not to complain but so few ever do it amazes me! I doubt anyone ever asked for a refund as you have to be a real believer to donate that much in the first place, and so probably of the mindset that thinks MMY can do no wrong. The independent teachers illegally holding courses are doing fine but the ones actually teaching I don't know about there isn't much interest out there these days. The last national centre was owned by international and they put the money to the pundit project. A shame as I was living there and it was rather nice! But we thought it would go to a greater good so didn't min as we had another old mansion to live in, then they sold that. The money collected that got donated was for a new sthpatya place to compliment our first sv village but the people who have brought hopuses there will have to spend extra if they want a community centre now which is hardly fair as they sold their houses to buy the sv ones and then got stung for a 20% compulsory donation to international. A few did pull out, I would have been livid, but then MMY closed the TM movement in England for the flimsiest of reasons. I have been told on very good authority that if we get some more sv villages together we will be allowed back. I for one think we should go our seperate ways if only to save a bit of money! Now there's a new twist - If you build more SV villiages we'll let you back in this one has fund raising possibilities. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Exactly. Maharishi would obviously sooner or later jump on the biggest disease of the West; capitalism and the hunger for money on the expense of the vast majority of the worlds population. When Communism is gone, the next to go is Capitalism. Maharishi, Boppard, 1982 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 4:48 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. I agree with the above, but sometimes I think that Maharishi never intended to send them, and was just humoring Bob Wynne. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 4:48 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. I agree with the above, but sometimes I think that Maharishi never intended to send them, and was just humoring Bob Wynne. Denise Denniston-Gerace's comment on this issue is that MMY wants to make Vedic City a major pilgrimage point in the USA for Hindus, so of course he wants the pundits there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/21/06 8:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 4:48 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. I agree with the above, but sometimes I think that Maharishi never intended to send them, and was just humoring Bob Wynne. Denise Denniston-Gerace's comment on this issue is that MMY wants to make Vedic City a major pilgrimage point in the USA for Hindus, so of course he wants the pundits there. True. I saw the rendering of an incredible temple complex that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build. It would be fine by me if it got built, but I don't know where the money would come from. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/19/06 11:40 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. Tony's House: I remember statements like, The king must have a palace..., all the while just bailing a few higher ups out of a bad real estate purchase. Using the good will and intent of the devoted to sqeeze out the money. Very unethical. Those guilable westerners, they'll believe whatever I tell them. JohnY JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? Just look at the role models. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? What sales statistics, exactly, were faked? Just look at the role models. And who's your role model for misrepresenting the situation with Chopra's book? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? That P.T. Barnum's axiom is truer than ever. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
Thanks everyone for enlightening me about the pundit situation over there. That would annoy me intensely. Over here in scorpion land we had a lot of money raised for a new national centre donated to the pundits without even asking anyones permission and I know people ho give their life savings! No-one ever seems to rock the boat though, probably for fear of being thrown out. I remember all the promises that money would be returned if the pundit groups in india didn't happen, I doubt they will be able to get away with this again. So I hope they are spending the money on something useful and not just little gold crowns. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? What sales statistics, exactly, were faked? Just look at the role models. And who's your role model for misrepresenting the situation with Chopra's book? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? That P.T. Barnum's axiom is truer than ever. Only in the more highly-evolved 'Vedic' model, the axiom is that a sucker is *reborn* every minute. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. I don't know if I would call it evil. I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for enlightening me about the pundit situation over there. That would annoy me intensely. Over here in scorpion land we had a lot of money raised for a new national centre donated to the pundits without even asking anyones permission and I know people ho give their life savings! No-one ever seems to rock the boat though, probably for fear of being thrown out. I remember all the promises that money would be returned if the pundit groups in india didn't happen, I doubt they will be able to get away with this again. So I hope they are spending the money on something useful and not just little gold crowns. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suckers! -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? What sales statistics, exactly, were faked? Just look at the role models. And who's your role model for misrepresenting the situation with Chopra's book? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? That P.T. Barnum's axiom is truer than ever. Only in the more highly-evolved 'Vedic' model, the axiom is that a sucker is *reborn* every minute. :-) I think that is the path they are on: it's called The Sucker Path. Continue to give money until you realized you've been had...and then you have to give up on the cult that you've attached yourself to and you are forced to adopt a self-development program that doesn't require gurus or cults or elaborate schemes in order to get you enlightened... Yeah, you need a self-development program that doesn't require donating money, that doesn't require belief or changing your religion or believing in the pontifications of a guru or his appointed king...or anything like that. Hm. I wonder. What self-development program would fit the bill? Could it beTHE TM PROGRAM Gee, maybe the whole idea of The Sucker Path is to get the suckers back onto the path they originally promised themselves they would be on in the first place! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Really? I think it shows great faith and purity of thought by people. I get your point, but don't you think the TMO and MMY should bear a little of the responsibility for the con? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Really? I think it shows great faith PRECISELY my point: faith. I started TM in '73 precisely because I wasn't required to have faith in some sort of scheme. Why and when did you get off the boat, Leroy? and purity of thought by people. Purity of thought. No, I think purity of denial is more like it. It is people like YOU who were in the Movement who didn't stand up to MMY and tell him to stop all this silliness who are impure (not a word I would use but, hey, you're the one who invoked it...). YOU are responsible, if anyone is, for this horrible mess we're in. So take a fucking look in the mirror, Mr. Brainwashed. I get your point, but don't you think the TMO and MMY should bear a little of the responsibility for the con? No, I don't. Hey, MMY needed cheap and free labor so he took the easiest path to get it...and he got it from suckers like you who really weren't all that interested in promulgating this great technique and program that didn't require blind belief and adherence to a cult or guru in order for it to work. And then what did TBers like you do? You turned around and ADOPTED blind belief and guru-worship and poisoned any chance that the TM Program could ever really be spread throughout the world. So, no, I don't think the TMO and MMY should bear anywhere near the responsibility that evil people like you should bear (and, again, evil is NOT a word that I would necessarily use but, hey, you're the one who is invoking it). In fact, I think that not only is it just that you should have wasted half your life working for peanuts for the TMO but, in addition, people like myself should be able to sue you for fucking things up the way you have. Please, I would like you to post your name and address so I can contact a Barrister or Solicitor in England so I can sue your ass off. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for enlightening me about the pundit situation over there. That would annoy me intensely. Over here in scorpion land we had a lot of money raised for a new national centre donated to the pundits without even asking anyones permission and I know people ho give their life savings! No-one ever seems to rock the boat though, probably for fear of being thrown out. Sounds pretty whimmpy to me, Hugh. I thought that the whole country has already been thrown out. Who took the money from the last national center? How are the independent teachers doing over there? I remember all the promises that money would be returned if the pundit groups in india didn't happen, I doubt they will be able to get away with this again. So I hope they are spending the money on something useful and not just little gold crowns. Has anyone asked for a refund? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. I don't know if I would call it evil. I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Shemp, I agree with most of what you said, but I think that using someone's devotion, innocence and stupidity against them is wrong. I've always thought that it was/is wrong to use someone's ignorance against them. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? That P.T. Barnum's axiom is truer than ever. Only in the more highly-evolved 'Vedic' model, the axiom is that a sucker is *reborn* every minute. :-) I think that is the path they are on: it's called The Sucker Path. Continue to give money until you realized you've been had...and then you have to give up on the cult that you've attached yourself to and you are forced to adopt a self-development program that doesn't require gurus or cults or elaborate schemes in order to get you enlightened... Yeah, you need a self-development program that doesn't require donating money, that doesn't require belief or changing your religion or believing in the pontifications of a guru or his appointed king...or anything like that. Hm. I wonder. What self-development program would fit the bill? Could it beTHE TM PROGRAM Gee, maybe the whole idea of The Sucker Path is to get the suckers back onto the path they originally promised themselves they would be on in the first place! Whoa! that's even too convoluted for the most ardent True Believer - Suckerdom for Enlightenment! ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. I don't know if I would call it evil. I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Shemp, I agree with most of what you said, but I think that using someone's devotion, innocence and stupidity against them is wrong. I've always thought that it was/is wrong to use someone's ignorance against them. JohnY Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. I don't know if I would call it evil. I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Shemp, I agree with most of what you said, but I think that using someone's devotion, innocence and stupidity against them is wrong. I've always thought that it was/is wrong to use someone's ignorance against them. JohnY Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Ah come on, you know what I mean. That's like those tiny print disclaimers in the diet ads: actual results may differ. Don't condom this bad behavior. We told you in the intro, so we can screw you over now... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. I don't know if that anecdote proves TM is a religion but it certainly does demonstrate to me the kind of people who have destroyed the TMO: those university administrators. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. I think what has impacted Ffld the most isn't just that the pundit project didn't work out, but the continual stream of misinformation put out about their imminent arrival. Much of the $5 million was raised as monthly pledges which meant that the tmo had to maintain hope of pundits coming in order to keep the monthly donations coming. There was constant updates about progress on their visas, airplanes being leased to bring them here, then the pundits' mothers wouldn't let them travel due to terrorism in the US, then the amazing line that pundit visas were all done but now they needed visas for their cooks, etc. The best intelligence available from DC is that visas were never obtained for any of the kids, only some older pundits. I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. I don't know if I would call it evil. I would, however, call all those that gave money -- and kept giving money -- suckers. You all were told for years that the TM Program consisted of the TM Technique twice daily and then activity -- based on your OWN traditions! -- during the rest of the day. That's it; that's the program. But no; you all kept whispering in MMY's ear: Sure, Maharishi, sure...but when are we going to get the REAL, SECRET knowledge? And he always replied: but this is IT, the TM Program is all there is...this is the best way to get to enlightenment. But still you all said: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Maharishi. But when are we going to get the REAL knowledge? And MMY kept saying: no, this is it...TM is all you need. And this scenario kept repeating itself for -- oh -- about 25 years until finally you all wore him down. And then MMY said: okay, you want the secret knowledge? Well, you asked for it... And then came the Sidhis, political parties, kings, peanut butter and candy bars, soap, spices, Vedic Vibration, horoscopes, architecture, etc. etc. And you're complaining because you're pundits aren't coming? Please. Give me a break. You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Shemp, I agree with most of what you said, but I think that using someone's devotion, innocence and stupidity against them is wrong. I've always thought that it was/is wrong to use someone's ignorance against them. JohnY Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Ah come on, you know what I mean. That's like those tiny print disclaimers in the diet ads: actual results may differ. Don't condom this bad behavior. We told you in the intro, so we can screw you over now... JohnY At the very least it is a case of contributory negligence on the part of the student.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Shemp, I agree with most of what you said, but I think that using someone's devotion, innocence and stupidity against them is wrong. I've always thought that it was/is wrong to use someone's ignorance against them. JohnY Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Ah come on, you know what I mean. That's like those tiny print disclaimers in the diet ads: actual results may differ. Don't condom this bad behavior. We told you in the intro, so we can screw you over now... JohnY At the very least it is a case of contributory negligence on the part of the student. Yup, I'll go along with that... (everybody missed my freudian slip above) ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Ah come on, you know what I mean. That's like those tiny print disclaimers in the diet ads: actual results may differ. Don't condom (Freudian slip) this bad behavior. We told you in the intro, so we can screw you over now... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. * Ahh, another blast of uninformed (or possibly this is another lie, since the amount of money raised was made public) bullshit from the Archer bullshit factory. $2 million and change was raised for the pundit project, all of which was spent on the Vedic City trailer park. The pundits are not there because they could not get visas, being poor and not speaking English (which makes them unlikely college students in the eyes of U.S. State Dept visa screeners). MUM mgmt is lying about why the pundits did not show up, but this failure to deliver the pundits was just typically stupid planning, not fraud: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#denial Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. No, the issue was not misappropriation -- Kaplan felt that he was badly treated, even though he had given more than $10 million to the movement, and he was right. Bevan tried to push Kaplan out of the project he built, and Kaplan over-reacted, throwing out the baby with the bathwater: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html#purusha A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. So what? The fact is, the money raised was spent on a nice house for movement big shots, whether His Tonyness spends much time there or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh, another blast of uninformed (or possibly this is another lie, since the amount of money raised was made public) bullshit from the Archer bullshit factory. $2 million and change was raised for the pundit project, all of which was spent on the Vedic City trailer park. The pundits are not there because they could not get visas, being poor and not speaking English (which makes them unlikely college students in the eyes of U.S. State Dept visa screeners). MUM mgmt is lying about why the pundits did not show up, but this failure to deliver the pundits was just typically stupid planning, not fraud: Your failure at applying even marginal intelligence to your latest indictment should surprise no one. A university, particularly one ravenously active in recruiting foreign students, must be aware of the basic minimum profile of acceptable candidates. Being economically disadvantaged with little or no command of the English language should have disqualified them from any consideration. The fact that these individuals were considered the primary target pool suggests deception as a primary element in the campaign. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: Ahh, another blast of uninformed (or possibly this is another lie, since the amount of money raised was made public) bullshit from the Archer bullshit factory. $2 million and change was raised for the pundit project, all of which was spent on the Vedic City trailer park. The pundits are not there because they could not get visas, being poor and not speaking English (which makes them unlikely college students in the eyes of U.S. State Dept visa screeners). MUM mgmt is lying about why the pundits did not show up, but this failure to deliver the pundits was just typically stupid planning, not fraud: Your failure at applying even marginal intelligence to your latest indictment should surprise no one. A university, particularly one ravenously active in recruiting foreign students, must be aware of the basic minimum profile of acceptable candidates. Being economically disadvantaged with little or no command of the English language should have disqualified them from any consideration. The fact that these individuals were considered the primary target pool suggests deception as a primary element in the campaign. --- Dear Fishhead: Never attribute to malice what mere stupidity can explain. The TMO's strategy in seeking to build the pundit complex was faulty, not fraudulent. MUM's chief lawyer, Goldman, thought things would be OK because he got some kind of assurances from higher-ups in the State Dept. that the pundits would get visas: http://tinyurl.com/lvw48 (see last paragraphs at this link) However, as pointed out in a Scientific American article a couple years ago (June 2003 -- http://tinyurl.com/qv3aq -- an article that I linked to at my web site at the time), low-level employees make the decision to grant a visa or not, and those decisions cannot be overturned by anybody, not even the Secretary of State. MUM thought it could pull of the pundit visa thing (MUM has successfully overcome visa problems before by chatting up embassy officials: http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/02-03/1-22-03.html#3 ), but they could not do so with the pundits. What they should have done before building was to try to get visas for 25 or 50 pundits and see how that went -- a small number of pundits could have been housed one way or another before building the big trailer park. Your notion that MUM was always planning not to bring in pundits makes no sense at all. If the intention was to have a place for Mother Divine, the group that has moved into the VC trailers, then the contruction would have completely different, instead of designed to house pundits two to a room, with shared bathroom facilities. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point is we have been told since day one that 7000 yogic flyers would create world peace, this has been the driving force of much fund raising in particular the 200 million at least since the enlightenment courses started. A bit embarassing if it turns out to be a load of crap! $200 million may be enough to build the buildings and fund 7000 in the short run, but is it enough to build buidlings, maintain them and fund 1 or more groups of 7000 permanently? Perhaps and perhaps not. However, that doesn't address MY point, which is that MMY answered a different question than the Kaplans thought he was answering, according to their own account. Not to mention the greatest fraud in history! Not likely. even if the TMO and everyone at the highest level is 100% dishonest, its hardly the Greatest Frauid in History (tm). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Hi Sal thanks for the reply I do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say I'm too stressed to notice the pundits as the Maharishi effect is supposed to bring world peace, and not just be for the enlightened. The claim is that 7000 pundits change the world, I hardly need to point out that the world is falling apart as we watch do I? I have also done many long courses and have had very many amazing experiences so I would say my nervous system is in good enough shape. I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:41 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. They're there, just on an unmanifest level. Your system is obviously too stressed out and on too gross a level or you would understand these subtle distinctions. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? None whatsoever. Any attempt to say otherwise is simply evil rumor-mongering masquerading as the truth. (As opposed to the Truth.) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/19/06 11:40 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? Except that all these years, money has been raised to create a group of 7,000 or 10,000 or whatever. If it was never Maharishi's intention to actually do that, what does that tell you? I don't know what MMY's intentions were, but I do know that Ihave read maintstream Indian newspaper accounts of extremely large TMO facilities being razed because they failed to obtain the proper permits before building. I also recall someone in the TMO, years previously to my reading the Indian newspaper reports, describing MMY's attempts to circumvent the building code by having numerous TMO buildings half-built then moving on to the next in an effort to present the Indian government with a _fait accompli_ that would force them to provide the building permits retroactively. The impression the TM teacher gave was that this was a standard business practice in India, so perhaps it wasn't or changed recently, or perhaps the political power of MMY has waned in recent years and pressure was put on the courts to destroy what he had built, just because many ranking spiritual leaders in India actively despise MMY and the TMO for various reasons. IOW, just because you never heard about it (and how did you missit -- it was in movement publications AND mainstream Indian newspapers both), MMY made a good faith effort to use the money raised for the pundit housing in the way that the money was intended, albeit with perhaps poor judgement on how to deal with the current Indian legal system, so it seems obvious to me that MMY's intention WAS to use the money for the purpose for which it was raised. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. So now you're requiring King Tony to live in a certain place because you think what, that MMY should require him to live there because the money was raised for him to live there? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:48 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! $5 million was raised with a lot of hoopla and arm-twisting to bring pundits to Fairfield. I suspect Maharishi never intended to send them. Now Mother Divine is in the housing built for them, because they were kicked out of North Carolina, because the TMO alienated the Kaplans by misappropriating 10's of millions of their dollars. A million was raised to buy a mansion where King Tony would live, again with much hoopla and arm-twisting. He visited for 3 days a few years ago and hasn't been back since. Now movement mucky mucks like Bevan live there when they're in town. Tony's House: I remember statements like, The king must have a palace..., all the while just bailing a few higher ups out of a bad real estate purchase. Using the good will and intent of the devoted to sqeeze out the money. Very unethical. Those guilable westerners, they'll believe whatever I tell them. JohnY JohnY Or, there's a multi-facetted issue that people are turning into a black and white issue. Didn't the higher ups turn around and donate a good portion of the procedes of the sale of the hosue back to the TMO? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I could easily understand not being able to get visas for a bunch of indian kids, but the constant stream of misinformation is what has turned most people off here. Now the line when the pundits arrive is used the same way most people say when hell freezes over. That's so evil, isn't it? The Devil: father of all lies. Is it any wonder that people justify faking sales statistics for the Chopra books? Just look at the role models. Thanks Barry, coming from you, this is praising with faint damnation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for enlightening me about the pundit situation over there. That would annoy me intensely. Over here in scorpion land we had a lot of money raised for a new national centre donated to the pundits without even asking anyones permission and I know people ho give their life savings! No-one ever seems to rock the boat though, probably for fear of being thrown out. I remember all the promises that money would be returned if the pundit groups in india didn't happen, I doubt they will be able to get away with this again. So I hope they are spending the money on something useful and not just little gold crowns. Did anyone attempt to get their money back, BTW? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're suckers and you deserved to be removed from your $5 million. Really? I think it shows great faith and purity of thought by people. I get your point, but don't you think the TMO and MMY should bear a little of the responsibility for the con? How do you know its a con? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Was it during Yogic Flying time? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: Ahh, another blast of uninformed (or possibly this is another lie, since the amount of money raised was made public) bullshit from the Archer bullshit factory. $2 million and change was raised for the pundit project, all of which was spent on the Vedic City trailer park. The pundits are not there because they could not get visas, being poor and not speaking English (which makes them unlikely college students in the eyes of U.S. State Dept visa screeners). MUM mgmt is lying about why the pundits did not show up, but this failure to deliver the pundits was just typically stupid planning, not fraud: Your failure at applying even marginal intelligence to your latest indictment should surprise no one. A university, particularly one ravenously active in recruiting foreign students, must be aware of the basic minimum profile of acceptable candidates. Being economically disadvantaged with little or no command of the English language should have disqualified them from any consideration. The fact that these individuals were considered the primary target pool suggests deception as a primary element in the campaign. --- They were the target pool because of their training, I assume, not because of their ability to be standard US university students. Perhaps the MUM administration should have realized the problems before they announced, but in fact, MUM faculty generally announce whatever MMY tells them to announce, so perhaps MMY should have been more awareof what the problems would be, or perhaps the faculty failed to advise him of them. Or perhaps he presented them with a challenge which they have yet to succede at... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never attribute to malice what mere stupidity can explain. The TMO's strategy in seeking to build the pundit complex was faulty, not fraudulent. MUM's chief lawyer, Goldman, thought things would be OK because he got some kind of assurances from higher-ups in the State Dept. that the pundits would get visas: Why youÕve done it again you masterful sleuth. How could I have overlooked the obvious? Everyone knows the best way to insure success of a multimillion-dollar fundraiser is to dispatch your trusty trench coated attorney to the halls of power. Once there have the loitering barrister search out the plumpest, ripest elected official. Spying the choicest ear, have the ambulance chaser lean in and whispers, pssst, hey buddy! Briganti you old wizened fool. When will we learn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 6:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Was it during Yogic Flying time? Sunday mornings. Don't know the time. Dome gets out around 9. It was probably later than that. It was what they were doing; not when they were doing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 6:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Was it during Yogic Flying time? Sunday mornings. Don't know the time. Dome gets out around 9. It was probably later than that. It was what they were doing; not when they were doing it. +++ Were there any details of how or what was being competed with? Hard to think of any basis for a problem. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/20/06 6:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/20/06 1:01 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: Where's the ignorance if in the first 5 minutes of the first step (i.e. the Intro Lecture) of the seven-step program the student is told that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy? Here's a story that proves that it's a religion. A friend of mine is a minister of some sort, as well as being a successful businessman and a donor to the university. His business is located in a SV building on campus, west side of Hwy. 1, built by Doug Greenfield. He was holding little prayer meetings on Sunday mornings in one of his offices. The university is using some offices upstairs. University administrators asked Doug Greenfield to ask my friend to stop holding his prayer meetings there because they were in competition with the university. Was it during Yogic Flying time? Sunday mornings. Don't know the time. Dome gets out around 9. It was probably later than that. It was what they were doing; not when they were doing it. Sounds like a personal problem then. What did they think of SUnday Morning services at the all-faith chapel then? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
on 2/20/06 9:12 PM, Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday mornings. Don't know the time. Dome gets out around 9. It was probably later than that. It was what they were doing; not when they were doing it. +++ Were there any details of how or what was being competed with? Hard to think of any basis for a problem. N. I agree, but apparently there was one. Maybe the fact that he isn't a student or MUM staff, and all kinds of folks could come to his prayer meeting, including some whom the university might want hanging around campus - people associated with other spiritual groups in town. I'm just speculating. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: Never attribute to malice what mere stupidity can explain. The TMO's strategy in seeking to build the pundit complex was faulty, not fraudulent. MUM's chief lawyer, Goldman, thought things would be OK because he got some kind of assurances from higher-ups in the State Dept. that the pundits would get visas: Why youÕve done it again you masterful sleuth. How could I have overlooked the obvious? Everyone knows the best way to insure success of a multimillion- dollar fundraiser is to dispatch your trusty trench coated attorney to the halls of power. Once there have the loitering barrister search out the plumpest, ripest elected official. Spying the choicest ear, have the ambulance chaser lean in and whispers, pssst, hey buddy! Briganti you old wizened fool. When will we learn? * In your case, evidently a number of lifetimes in sub-human species (fish? very appropriate moniker, fishey), as you are appallingly stupid to suggest this fishy and nonsensical scenario which has absolutely no connection with the fact situation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM's chief lawyer, Goldman, thought things would be OK because he got some kind of assurances from higher-ups in the State Dept. that the pundits would get visas: In your case, evidently a number of lifetimes in sub-human species (fish? very appropriate moniker, fishey), as you are appallingly stupid to suggest this fishy and nonsensical scenario which has absolutely no connection with the fact situation. Ah yes, Facts. Fact - Function: noun / Etymology: Latin factum: The act of thinking things will be OK because of some kind of assurances from higher-ups. - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
Hi Sal thanks for the reply I do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say I'm too stressed to notice the pundits as the Maharishi effect is supposed to bring world peace, and not just be for the enlightened. The claim is that 7000 pundits change the world, I hardly need to point out that the world is falling apart as we watch do I? I have also done many long courses and have had very many amazing experiences so I would say my nervous system is in good enough shape. I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:41 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. They're there, just on an unmanifest level. Your system is obviously too stressed out and on too gross a level or you would understand these subtle distinctions. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? None whatsoever. Any attempt to say otherwise is simply evil rumor-mongering masquerading as the truth. (As opposed to the Truth.) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
Cheers for that Mark, very interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo hugheshugo@ wrote: Hello everyone Just wanted to say thanks for setting up this site. I have found so many interesting things to read here I've missed my evening programme! And I live in a TM centre (tut tut) I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? I estimate at least 200 million has been raised in the last few years and not much seems to have come of it, where are these pundits? Can anyone help? Hello to scopionland. Very difficult to track the $$, most of which seems to be going into offshore or Indian accts. In the US non-profits must file public financial statements. In the late 1990s the tmo non-profits had quite a lot of money on record, hundreds of millions - much was lost in the stock market crash of 2000-2001, some seems to have been transferred to tmo offshore accts, what remains is mainly in real estate. Supposedly Mr. Zimmerman who was sponsoring the pundit project in the 80s got skeptical and did some financial detective work and subsequently pulled out of the project and detached from MMY. Supposedly the Kaplans have also done similar detective work tracing the money to private indian accts. But none of these findings have been made public. Steve Briggs and a few others have filed reports here on their experiences in India, verifying several pundit projects in progress, though not as much as advertised. Talking to people coming back from yrs in India gives you stories of money being siphoned off by the nephews with estimates ranging from 20% to 75%. Some feel it's just the cost of doing business in India, others feel it's more sinister, others feel it's just well intentioned incompetence, some feel a sickly MMY is being scammed by indians, others feel he's being blackmailed by his family. Who knows exactly?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sal thanks for the reply I do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say I'm too stressed to notice the pundits as the Maharishi effect is supposed to bring world peace, and not just be for the enlightened. The claim is that 7000 pundits change the world, I hardly need to point out that the world is falling apart as we watch do I? I have also done many long courses and have had very many amazing experiences so I would say my nervous system is in good enough shape. I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:41 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. They're there, just on an unmanifest level. Your system is obviously too stressed out and on too gross a level or you would understand these subtle distinctions. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? None whatsoever. Any attempt to say otherwise is simply evil rumor-mongering masquerading as the truth. (As opposed to the Truth.) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Hi Sal thanks for the reply I do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say I'm too stressed to notice the pundits as the Maharishi effect is supposed to bring world peace, and not just be for the enlightened. The claim is that 7000 pundits change the world, I hardly need to point out that the world is falling apart as we watch do I? I have also done many long courses and have had very many amazing experiences so I would say my nervous system is in good enough shape. I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:41 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. They're there, just on an unmanifest level. Your system is obviously too stressed out and on too gross a level or you would understand these subtle distinctions. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? None whatsoever. Any attempt to say otherwise is simply evil rumor-mongering masquerading as the truth. (As opposed to the Truth.) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
I think the point is we have been told since day one that 7000 yogic flyers would create world peace, this has been the driving force of much fund raising in particular the 200 million at least since the enlightenment courses started. A bit embarassing if it turns out to be a load of crap! Not to mention the greatest fraud in history! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Hi Sal thanks for the reply I do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say I'm too stressed to notice the pundits as the Maharishi effect is supposed to bring world peace, and not just be for the enlightened. The claim is that 7000 pundits change the world, I hardly need to point out that the world is falling apart as we watch do I? I have also done many long courses and have had very many amazing experiences so I would say my nervous system is in good enough shape. I also do not think it's evil to inquire after the financial state of the TMO, it's complacent not to be interested I think. Especially since the Kaplans letter, in which he quotes MMY as saying he's not setting up large roups as he doesnt know the effect they will have! Reparse what MMY told Kaplan. Assuming that Kaplan is correct, he apparently didn't understand what MMY told him: there's no guarantee that blowing ALL the Movement's capital on a single 7000 or whatever group of Pundits will ensure the long-term viability of the TMOand without the long-term viaibility of the TMO, what use is a brief shining moment, save inspiration for songs, stories and musicals? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:41 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. They're there, just on an unmanifest level. Your system is obviously too stressed out and on too gross a level or you would understand these subtle distinctions. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? None whatsoever. Any attempt to say otherwise is simply evil rumor-mongering masquerading as the truth. (As opposed to the Truth.) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point is we have been told since day one that 7000 yogic flyers would create world peace, this has been the driving force of much fund raising in particular the 200 million at least since the enlightenment courses started. A bit embarassing if it turns out to be a load of crap! Not to mention the greatest fraud in history! Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: I think the point is we have been told since day one that 7000 yogic flyers would create world peace, this has been the driving force of much fund raising in particular the 200 million at least since the enlightenment courses started. A bit embarassing if it turns out to be a load of crap! Not to mention the greatest fraud in history! Some of the more blatant frauds have been: King Tony's House Pundit Trailers They come in under the catagory of 'eating your own young' JohnY Sorry I don't understand about pundit trailers and tonys house, I live in the UK are they scandals from fairfield, do tell I love a bit of gossip! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone Just wanted to say thanks for setting up this site. I have found so many interesting things to read here I've missed my evening programme! And I live in a TM centre (tut tut) I have lived and worked for the upper echelons of the UK TMO for years and have been getting fed up with all the crap for ages, the end of the TMO in England and the growing obsession with money and the obvious non-existence (or ineffectualness) of the pundits pushed me over the edge and I really wanted to find out what was going on. TM is great I still really enjoy it and most of the people I've met are wonderful but I feel angry at the way so many are treated by MMY and his disciples. I would like to know the truth about how much money the TMO has and is there any evidence of MMY siphoning it of for his own ends? I estimate at least 200 million has been raised in the last few years and not much seems to have come of it, where are these pundits? Can anyone help? Hello to scopionland. Very difficult to track the $$, most of which seems to be going into offshore or Indian accts. In the US non-profits must file public financial statements. In the late 1990s the tmo non-profits had quite a lot of money on record, hundreds of millions - much was lost in the stock market crash of 2000-2001, some seems to have been transferred to tmo offshore accts, what remains is mainly in real estate. Supposedly Mr. Zimmerman who was sponsoring the pundit project in the 80s got skeptical and did some financial detective work and subsequently pulled out of the project and detached from MMY. Supposedly the Kaplans have also done similar detective work tracing the money to private indian accts. But none of these findings have been made public. Steve Briggs and a few others have filed reports here on their experiences in India, verifying several pundit projects in progress, though not as much as advertised. Talking to people coming back from yrs in India gives you stories of money being siphoned off by the nephews with estimates ranging from 20% to 75%. Some feel it's just the cost of doing business in India, others feel it's more sinister, others feel it's just well intentioned incompetence, some feel a sickly MMY is being scammed by indians, others feel he's being blackmailed by his family. Who knows exactly?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from the disillusioned of the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to scopionland. Very difficult to track the $$, most of which seems to be going into offshore or Indian accts. In the US non-profits must file public financial statements. In the late 1990s the tmo non-profits had quite a lot of money on record, hundreds of millions - much was lost in the stock market crash of 2000-2001, some seems to have been transferred to tmo offshore accts, what remains is mainly in real estate. ** The money that disappeared from the Global Country was never there, it was just the claimed value of stock donated by Globalink, and the stock was worthless right from the git-go (Globalink was not publicly traded, so the value of its share was not real). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
