[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

> > > Importance of practising siddhis? 
> > >
> > I liked that Theosophy book "The Chakras" by 
> > Leadbeater
> > 
Vaj:
> You do know Leadbeater had a thing for boys, 
> right?
>
Oh yeah! Like this is going to help us understand 
the mechanics of consciousness and the importance 
of practicing the siddhis, Vaj. 

May I remind you that your guru, Swami Rama, was 
convicted of raping a student; your guru, Trungpa, 
died from riotous living; your guru the Shank of 
Kanchi, is in jail accused of murder; and your 
guru, the Lama Lobsang Rampa, was a plumber from 
Leeds, England. So, what does that tell us?

Is there a better way?
http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Yoga is derived from the root word yuj, to harness;
> > > it means the act of harnassing...
> > >
> Card:
> > योग  (H2) योग [p= 854
> >
> You put a yoke on oxen, but not on horses. A horse is 
> controlled by a harness, not a yoke. The art of plowing
> wasn't even invented until after the arrival of the
> Aryan speakers in India. Maybe that's why Lord Krishna 
> uses a horse drawn chariot instead of riding on a plow 
> pulled by an ox! Yogis aren't supposed to be plowing up 
> the ground. 
> 
> Yogis use enstatic techniques to 'rein in' wild thoughts 
> and delusions. All yogis have to do is invoke the God 
> of Yoga, Ishvara, in order to be in isolation - farmers 
> in contrast, have to propitiate all kinds of Gods with 
> elaborate rituals, in order to gain favor for a harvest. 
> Yogis enjoy, while farmers have to suffer.
> 
> But, the point is, that the Purusha can never be 'united' 
> or 'yoked' with prakriti. According to Mahesh Yogi, the 
> Purusha is totally separate from the prakriti. The use 
> of the word 'union' in yoga literature is thus a misnomer.
> 

Oh yeah! The best "proof" might be this suutra (seem to recall
it is I 63, or thereabouts) which enumerates the 25 tattva-s
of saaMkhya:

sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prakRtiH(1) prakRter
mahaan(2) mahato 'haMkaaro(3) 'haMkaaraat pañca tanmaatraaNy
(4-8) ubhayam indriyaM (9-19)  tanmaatrebhyaH 
sthuula-bhuutaani (20-24) puruSa(25) iti pañca-viMshatir-gaNaH.

Note that 'puruSa' is the last one to be mentioned,
kinda "separated" from the rest! (*not* connected with 'ca', 
or stuff, which would make that something like
'puruSash ceti'[1] [ca + iti])

1. sandhi: puruSaH + iti > puruSa iti; 
  puruSaH + ca + iti > puruSash ceti.


) :0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

emptybill: 
> These are interpretations, not translations...
> 
It's not a translation, it's an interpretation - hope this 
helps:

"Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, 
objects, and ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries 
of all creatures comes through perfect discipline of the 
distinctions between them" (Y.S. 3.17).

The repition of the bija mantra (pranava) is 'soundless', 
which is implied, because all meditation that is 
transcendental is performed silently. As Mahesh Yogi 
says, 'there should be soundless (silent) repetition of 
the bija mantra.

28. Let there be soundless repetition of OM and meditation
thereon.

'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali'
An Interpretation by Charles Johnston 
http://tinyurl.com/23uttup

According to Swami Venkatesananda Saraswati, "Different 
from this is the practice which is based on cessation of 
all effort even at meditating; this practice leads 
spontaneously to tranquility. In that, only the impressions 
or memories remain: such impressions is the 'me' 
constituted" (Y.S. 1.18).

"This sound is remembered with deep feeling for the 
meaning of what it represents" 1.28.

Yoga Sutras: 
http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-12329.htm#1.23

The pranava  is the mnemonic device given by a guru in 
the act of initiation. Meditation on bija mantra is the 
utilization of such devices in order to transcend beyond 
the relative state of activity and idea.

There is really only one Yoga, and it is concerned with 
mental activity cessation, as the Sutra states: 'yogash 
chittavritti nirodha' which translated means 'Yoga is 
mental activity cessation' or as Charles Johnston 
translates: 'Spiritual consciousness is gained through 
control of the versatile psychic nature' (Y.S., 1 2 ). 

Work cited:

'Yoga Sutras of Patanjali'
By Swami Venkatesananda Saraswati
http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Sorry wiki willy but that is not what it says.
> These are interpretations, not translations.
> There is no word such as "soundless" in YS 1.28.
> 
> YS 1.28
> 
> taj-japas-tad-artha-bhaavanam
> that repeating that meaning becomes
> 
> In conversational English:
> 
> That recitation becomes the meaning
> or
> That reciting is its realization
> 
> ??? "Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava]
> and meditation thereon." Y.S., Book One V. 28. ???
> 
> YS 1.3
> 
> tadaa dra.stu.h svaruupe'vastaanam
> 
> then seer own-form abides
> 

Are these your own translations?

To be even more accurate, (using Harvard-Kyoto) 'draSTuH' (seer's, of seer) is 
the genitive singular from (of?) 'draSTaa' (lemma: draSTR)
and 'svaruupe' is the locative singular (*in* own-form). FWIW,
'avasthaanam' is a noun. It's typical for suutra style, or stuff,
to not have a finite verb form at all. I seem to recall there
are less than five of those in YS, e.g.

tataH *kSiiyate* prakaashaavaraNam (II 52)
tataH praatibhashraavaNavedanaadarshaasvadaavartaa *jaayante*

BTW, those six, namely praatibha, shraavaNa, vedanaa, aadarsha, aasvaada and 
vartaa, are according to Bhoja and Vyaasa obstacles (upasarga-s)
to samaadhi (te samaadhaav upasargaa, vyutthaane siddhayaH).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

> > Yoga is derived from the root word yuj, to harness;
> > it means the act of harnassing...
> >
Card:
> योग  (H2) योग [p= 854
>
You put a yoke on oxen, but not on horses. A horse is 
controlled by a harness, not a yoke. The art of plowing
wasn't even invented until after the arrival of the
Aryan speakers in India. Maybe that's why Lord Krishna 
uses a horse drawn chariot instead of riding on a plow 
pulled by an ox! Yogis aren't supposed to be plowing up 
the ground. 

Yogis use enstatic techniques to 'rein in' wild thoughts 
and delusions. All yogis have to do is invoke the God 
of Yoga, Ishvara, in order to be in isolation - farmers 
in contrast, have to propitiate all kinds of Gods with 
elaborate rituals, in order to gain favor for a harvest. 
Yogis enjoy, while farmers have to suffer.

But, the point is, that the Purusha can never be 'united' 
or 'yoked' with prakriti. According to Mahesh Yogi, the 
Purusha is totally separate from the prakriti. The use 
of the word 'union' in yoga literature is thus a misnomer.

Yoga is concerned with *isolating* (kaivalya) the Purusha, 
not uniting the relative with the Absolute. The Absolute 
stands all by Itself, as a witness to Itself. The Absolute 
is not an object of knowledge.

Sage Kapila, Rishi Patanjali, Veda Vyasa, and the Acharyas
Badarayana, Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, and Nimbarka all
agree on this. 

Read more:

Subject: They All Agreed
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: December 16, 2001
http://tinyurl.com/2athd58

>  e=/scans/MWScan/MWScanjpg/mw0854-yuktikathana.jpg> ,3] [L=172001]   &c 
> » pp. 856 , 858. (H1) योग [p= 856
>  e=/scans/MWScan/MWScanjpg/mw0856-yuSmota.jpg> ,2] [L=172324]  m. (
> √1. युज् ;  ifc.  f(आ).) the act of yoking ,
> joining ,  attaching , harnessing , putting to (of horses)  RV. MBh.
> [L=172325]   a yoke , team , vehicle , conveyance   S3Br.Kaus3.   
> MBh.  [L=172326]   employment , use , application ,  performance 
> RV.&c  [L=172327]   equipping or arraying (of an army)   MBh.
> [L=172328]   fixing (of an arrow on the  bow-string) ib. [L=172329]
> putting on (of armour)  L.   [L=172330]   a remedy , cure   Sus3r.
> [L=172331]   a means , expedient , device , way ,  manner , method  
> MBh.Ka1v.   &c  [L=172332]   a supernatural means , charm , 
> incantation , magical art ib. [L=172333]   a trick , stratagem ,
> fraud , deceit  Mn. Katha1s.  (cf. योग-नन्द)
> [L=172334]   undertaking , business , work  RV.AV.TS.  
> [L=172335]   acquisition , gain , profit , wealth ,  property ib.  
> Kaus3.MBh.  [L=172336]   occasion , opportunity   Ka1m.   
> Ma1rkP.  [L=172337]   any junction , union , combination ,  contact
> with (instr. with or without सह  , or  comp.).MBh.Ka1v.  
> &c  (योगम्   √ इ , to agree , consent ,
> acquiesce in  anything  R. )  [L=172338]   mixing of various
> materials , mixtureMBh.   R. VarBr2S.  [L=172339]  
> partaking of , possessing (instr.  or  comp.)   Mn.R. Hariv.
> [L=172340]   connection , relation (योगात् ,
> योगेन and योग-तस्  ifc.  in
> consequence of , on account of , by reason of , according to ,  through)
> Ka1tyS3r.S3vetUp.   Mn.&c  [p= 856
>  e=/scans/MWScan/MWScanjpg/mw0856-yuSmota.jpg> ,3] [p= 856
>  e=/scans/MWScan/MWScanjpg/mw0856-yuSmota.jpg> ,2] [L=172341]   putting
> together , arrangement ,  disposition , regular succession   Ka1t2h.
> S3rS.[p= 856
>  e=/scans/MWScan/MWScanjpg/mw0856-yuSmota.jpg> ,3] [L=172342]   fitting
> together , fitness ,  propriety , suitability (°à¤—ेन   ind.
> and -तस्  ind. suitably , fitly , duly , in the right  manner)
> MBh.Ka1v.   &c [L=172343]   exertion , endeavour , zeal , 
> diligence , industry , care , attention
> (°à¤¯à¥‹à¤—-तस्  ind. strenuously , assiduously ;
> पूर्णेन योगेन , with all one's
> powers , with  overflowing zeal)  Mn. MBh.   &c  [L=172344]  
> application or concentration of the  thoughts , abstract contemplation ,
> meditation , (esp.)  self-concentration , abstract meditation and mental
> abstraction  practised as a system (as taught by
> पतञ्जलि  and called the योग philosophy ;
> it is the  second of the two सांख्य systems , its
> chief  aim being to teach the means by which the human spirit may attain
> complete union with ईश्वर or the Supreme  Spirit ; in the
> practice of self-concentration it is closely connect

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[emptybill]

Sorry wiki willy but that is not what it says.
These are interpretations, not translations.
There is no word such as "soundless" in YS 1.28.

YS 1.28

taj-japas-tad-artha-bhaavanam
that repeating that meaning becomes

In conversational English:

That recitation becomes the meaning
or
That reciting is its realization

??? "Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava]
and meditation thereon." Y.S., Book One V. 28. ???

YS 1.3

tadaa dra.stu.h svaruupe'vastaanam

then seer own-form abides

tadaa = then
dra.s.t.r = seer (from d.rs' ... to see)
sva = own (or one's own)
ruupa = form (sometimes ... nature/essence)
avasthaana = appearing, abiding
(ava ... off, away, down, down from)
(stha ... to stand)

Then the seer abides in its own form

??? ... thought ceases, transcendental absolute, refers to
itself as witness to the world ... ???

> Sage Patanjali says:
>When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute
> stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world
> "tada drastuh svarupe vasthanam". I.1.3
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> emptybill:
> > Sorry to break it to you Willy but Taimini 
> > superimposed Theosophy upon Patanjali ala 
> > Blavatsky/Bailey blah blah blah...
> >
> But, in fact, Dr. I.K. Taimini was an eminent 
> professor and a well-respected yogi all over 
> India. I've read several of Taimini's books. 
> 
> Erik studied for years with B. Mullquist, a 
> well-known European linguist. Erik  is fluent 
> in at least seven languages; he can converse 
> in Sanskrit like it was his mother tongue.
> 
> Erik has been studying the Sanskrit Yoga 
> Sutras for over thirty years. If you can do 
> better translating than Erik or Taimini, I'd 
> like to see your work - post it here so I 
> can read it. 
>  

ROTFLMAO! 



> > > You're going to have to do more than browse
> > > Wikipedia for information and post it here. It
> > > looks like to me Erik can not only read the
> > > Sanskrit, but write it as well. You are supposed
> > > to read the book BEFORE you post your comments!
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._K._Taimni
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Erik has been studying the Sanskrit Yoga
> > > Sutras for over thirty years. If you can do
> > > better translating than Erik or Taimini, I'd
> > > like to see your work - post it here so I
> > > can read it.
> >
> Vaj:
> > The YS is not about linguistic engineering, it's
> > about awakening through union and discrimination
> > and then letting any vrittis about the former go.
> >
> The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali says nothing about
> 'union'. How could there be a union of the prakriti
> and the Purusha? It doesn't even make any sense.
> Yoga is all about *isolation*, 'kevalya'.
>
> "...yoga is a practice which utilizes natural
> activities in order to arrive at 'kaivalya' that
> is, isolation, which is freedom, in terms of oneself,
> as stated by Patanjali:
>
> "Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava]
> and meditation thereon." Y.S., Book One V. 28.
>
> Yoga is derived from the root word yuj, to harness;
> it means the act of harnassing. Notes Varienne:
> "Thus we read in Rig Veda of horses that are harnessed
> to the chariots of the gods such as Indra. It is
> worth stressing that despite the existence of the
> Latin noun 'jugum' (English 'yoke') from the same
> Indo-European sources, yoga has never meant 'yoke'
> in Sanskrit: the tranquil operation of yoking oxen
> evokes a peaceful, pleasant way of life that has
> nothing in common with yoga. For the yoke is
> something used by vaishyas and shudras, whereas
> the harnessing of horses is a task for kshatriyas."
>

योग  (H2) योग [p= 854
 ,3] [L=172001]   &c 
» pp. 856 , 858. (H1) योग [p= 856
 ,2] [L=172324]  m. (
√1. युज् ;  ifc.  f(आ).) the act of yoking ,
joining ,  attaching , harnessing , putting to (of horses)  RV. MBh.
[L=172325]   a yoke , team , vehicle , conveyance   S3Br.Kaus3.   
MBh.  [L=172326]   employment , use , application ,  performance 
RV.&c  [L=172327]   equipping or arraying (of an army)   MBh.
[L=172328]   fixing (of an arrow on the  bow-string) ib. [L=172329]
putting on (of armour)  L.   [L=172330]   a remedy , cure   Sus3r.
[L=172331]   a means , expedient , device , way ,  manner , method  
MBh.Ka1v.   &c  [L=172332]   a supernatural means , charm , 
incantation , magical art ib. [L=172333]   a trick , stratagem ,
fraud , deceit  Mn. Katha1s.  (cf. योग-नन्द)
[L=172334]   undertaking , business , work  RV.AV.TS.  
[L=172335]   acquisition , gain , profit , wealth ,  property ib.  
Kaus3.MBh.  [L=172336]   occasion , opportunity   Ka1m.   
Ma1rkP.  [L=172337]   any junction , union , combination ,  contact
with (instr. with or without सह  , or  comp.).MBh.Ka1v.  
&c  (योगम्   √ इ , to agree , consent ,
acquiesce in  anything  R. )  [L=172338]   mixing of various
materials , mixtureMBh.   R. VarBr2S.  [L=172339]  
partaking of , possessing (instr.  or  comp.)   Mn.R. Hariv.
[L=172340]   connection , relation (योगात् ,
योगेन and योग-तस्  ifc.  in
consequence of , on account of , by reason of , according to ,  through)
Ka1tyS3r.S3vetUp.   Mn.&c  [p= 856
 ,3] [p= 856
 ,2] [L=172341]   putting
together , arrangement ,  disposition , regular succession   Ka1t2h.
S3rS.[p= 856
 ,3] [L=172342]   fitting
together , fitness ,  propriety , suitability (°à¤—ेन   ind.
and -तस्  ind. suitably , fitly , duly , in the right  manner)
MBh.Ka1v.   &c [L=172343]   exertion , endeavour , zeal , 
diligence , industry , care , attention
(°à¤¯à¥‹à¤—-तस्  ind. strenuously , assiduously ;
पूर्णेन योगेन , with all one's
powers , with  overflowing zeal)  Mn. MBh.   &c  [L=172344]  
application or concentration of the  thoughts , abstract contemplation ,
meditation , (esp.)  self-concentration , abstract meditation and mental
abstraction  practised as a system (as taught by
पतञ्जलि  and called the योग philosophy ;
it is the  second of the two सांख्य systems , its
chief  aim being to teach the means by which the human spirit may attain
complete union with ईश्वर or the Supreme  Spirit ; in the
practice of self-concentration it is closely connected  with Buddhism) 
Up. MBh.Ka1v. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

> > Erik has been studying the Sanskrit Yoga 
> > Sutras for over thirty years. If you can do 
> > better translating than Erik or Taimini, I'd 
> > like to see your work - post it here so I 
> > can read it. 
> 
Vaj:
> The YS is not about linguistic engineering, it's 
> about awakening through union and discrimination 
> and then letting any vrittis about the former go.
>
The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali says nothing about 
'union'. How could there be a union of the prakriti 
and the Purusha? It doesn't even make any sense. 
Yoga is all about *isolation*, 'kevalya'.

"...yoga is a practice which utilizes natural 
activities in order to arrive at 'kaivalya' that 
is, isolation, which is freedom, in terms of oneself, 
as stated by Patanjali:

"Let there be soundless repetition of [the pranava] 
and meditation thereon." Y.S., Book One V. 28.

Yoga is derived from the root word yuj, to harness; 
it means the act of harnassing. Notes Varienne: 
"Thus we read in Rig Veda of horses that are harnessed 
to the chariots of the gods such as Indra. It is 
worth stressing that despite the existence of the 
Latin noun 'jugum' (English 'yoke') from the same 
Indo-European sources, yoga has never meant 'yoke' 
in Sanskrit: the tranquil operation of yoking oxen 
evokes a peaceful, pleasant way of life that has 
nothing in common with yoga. For the yoke is 
something used by vaishyas and shudras, whereas 
the harnessing of horses is a task for kshatriyas."

Read more:

Subject: The Inner Controller 
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: December 29, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2d3sy23

Sage Patanjali says: When thought ceases, the 
Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to 
Itself, as a witness to the world - "tada drastuh 
svarupe vasthanam". I.1.3 

Read more:

Subject: Raja Yoga
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.yoga, alt.meditation
Date: September 18, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/28cmlvk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[Vaj]

On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:20 PM, WillyTex wrote:

> emptybill:
> > Sorry to break it to you Willy but Taimini 
> > superimposed Theosophy upon Patanjali ala 
> > Blavatsky/Bailey blah blah blah...
> >
> But, in fact, Dr. I.K. Taimini was an eminent 
> professor and a well-respected yogi all over 
> India. I've read several of Taimini's books. 

So what? His book, while erudite on a gross, technical level, pretty much sucks 
"spiritually".

Perhaps it should be renamed "Patanjali-Yoga For Engineers"?

> 
> Erik studied for years with B. Mullquist, a 
> well-known European linguist. Erik is fluent 
> in at least seven languages; he can converse 
> in Sanskrit like it was his mother tongue.

Unfortunately, he seems (despite being an obviously very thoughtful person) 
clueless on yoga-darshana. To the extent that Taimini is filtered via 
Theosophy, our dear Card is overtly over-influenced via TM and SCI-style 
marketing. It's a common pitfall I not only learned to recognize in myself but 
in people in recovery from TM Org "products."

> 
> Erik has been studying the Sanskrit Yoga 
> Sutras for over thirty years. If you can do 
> better translating than Erik or Taimini, I'd 
> like to see your work - post it here so I 
> can read it. 

Well, we can only hope he breaks outs and gets a clue in the next 30 years, as 
he seems to have accumulated a lot of misconceptions, misunderstandings and 
wrong ideas on the yoga-darshana. The YS is not about linguistic engineering, 
it's about awakening through union and discrimination and then letting any 
vrittis about the former go.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

emptybill:
> Sorry to break it to you Willy but Taimini 
> superimposed Theosophy upon Patanjali ala 
> Blavatsky/Bailey blah blah blah...
>
But, in fact, Dr. I.K. Taimini was an eminent 
professor and a well-respected yogi all over 
India. I've read several of Taimini's books. 

Erik studied for years with B. Mullquist, a 
well-known European linguist. Erik  is fluent 
in at least seven languages; he can converse 
in Sanskrit like it was his mother tongue.

Erik has been studying the Sanskrit Yoga 
Sutras for over thirty years. If you can do 
better translating than Erik or Taimini, I'd 
like to see your work - post it here so I 
can read it. 
 
> > You're going to have to do more than browse
> > Wikipedia for information and post it here. It
> > looks like to me Erik can not only read the
> > Sanskrit, but write it as well. You are supposed
> > to read the book BEFORE you post your comments!
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._K._Taimni
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > You don't give a voiceless alveolar non-sibilant fricative?
> 
> If you mean the voiceless labiodental fricative (f), in one
> of my dictionaries every initial 'ph' is "pronounced" like
> it was an f-sound...
>

Oops! I misunderstood your question... :]
So, to answer your second question, I don't like
to be a hypocrite.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> You don't give a voiceless alveolar non-sibilant fricative?

If you mean the voiceless labiodental fricative (f), in one
of my dictionaries every initial 'ph' is "pronounced" like
it was an f-sound...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[emptybill]

Sorry to break it to you Willy but Taimini superimposed Theosophy upon
Patanjali ala Blavatsky/Bailey blah blah blah. Taimini wasn't even a
lightweight in the field ... he was the Evans-Wentz of translators for
Patanjali's Yogasutra-s. You got to do better than than that Willy.

Maybe we should call you Wiki Willy.

Gupta! Gupta!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> emptybill:
> > Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab...
> >
> You're going to have to do more than browse
> Wikipedia for information and post it here. It
> looks like to me Erik can not only read the
> Sanskrit, but write it as well. You are supposed
> to read the book BEFORE you post your comments!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._K._Taimni
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[WillyTex]

emptybill:
> Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab...
>
You're going to have to do more than browse 
Wikipedia for information and post it here. It
looks like to me Erik can not only read the 
Sanskrit, but write it as well. You are supposed
to read the book BEFORE you post your comments!
  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._K._Taimni

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[emptybill]

You don't give a voiceless alveolar non-sibilant fricative?

Didn't your mother ever threaten you with a mouthful of

soap for speaking like that?










--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > Card ... give it up.
> >
> > Theosophical speculations abound in his works.
>
> Sorry, but I don't give a flying phuk (or stuff), if he can
> explain some concepts so that they make at least
> some sense for a mere "linguistic technician" such as myself.
>
> My latest "heureka" was dharma-, lakSaNa- and avasthaa-pariNaama's,
which correspond according to Taimni nirodha-, samaadhi- and
ekaagrataa-pariNaama's.
>
>
> > Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab.
> >
> > How many hidden masters did he claim to have
> > visited with?
> >
> > Maybe he found Blavatsky reborn in New Jersey.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From Taimni's comment on YS III 15:
> > >
> > > The Yogic philosophy takes a more sensible and scientific
> > > view [than "Western" science]. It considers the whole of
> > > the manifested Universe as a cosmos. It declares emphatically
> > > that all phenomena within this Universe - superphysical as
> > > well as physical - are subject to natural laws which work
> > > with mathematical precision. It provides the means by which
> > > the superphysical phenomena can be investigated and the
> > > underlying laws discovered. The student is thus not only
> > > free to decide which is the more rational view of the
> > > Universe but also *to test by his own experiences and experiments
> > > which is the correct view*. [emph. added]
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[John]

IMO the siddhis are valid.  As mentioned before on this forum, I personally 
have experienced the siddhi relating to being "small as an atom", even though I 
only used the basic TM mantra.  While in samadhi, I saw my consiousness 
floating nearby glowing pink rods and cones.  I later realized that these were 
actually the inner structure of the retina in my eyes.

One other guy from this forum have admitted to me he had experienced the same 
thing.

In summary, the experience only convinced me that the atomic particle is part 
of consciousness, or that it can sustain consciousness in its structure, which 
is more likely both in particle and wave forms.  This would apply to all the 
other subatomic particles that physicists have discovered and are in the 
process of discovering.







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Card ... give it up.
> 
> Theosophical speculations abound in his works.
> Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab.
> 
> How many hidden masters did he claim to have
> visited with?
> 
> Maybe he found Blavatsky reborn in New Jersey.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From Taimni's comment on YS III 15:
> >
> > The Yogic philosophy takes a more sensible and scientific
> > view [than "Western" science]. It considers the whole of
> > the manifested Universe as a cosmos. It declares emphatically
> > that all phenomena within this Universe - superphysical as
> > well as physical - are subject to natural laws which work
> > with mathematical precision. It provides the means by which
> > the superphysical phenomena can be investigated and the
> > underlying laws discovered. The student is thus not only
> > free to decide which is the more rational view of the
> > Universe but also *to test by his own experiences and experiments
> > which is the correct view*. [emph. added]
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Card ... give it up.
> 
> Theosophical speculations abound in his works.

Sorry, but I don't give a flying phuk (or stuff), if he can
explain some concepts so that they make at least
some sense for a mere "linguistic technician" such as myself.

My latest "heureka" was dharma-, lakSaNa- and avasthaa-pariNaama's, which 
correspond according to Taimni nirodha-, samaadhi- and ekaagrataa-pariNaama's.


> Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab.
> 
> How many hidden masters did he claim to have
> visited with?
> 
> Maybe he found Blavatsky reborn in New Jersey.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From Taimni's comment on YS III 15:
> >
> > The Yogic philosophy takes a more sensible and scientific
> > view [than "Western" science]. It considers the whole of
> > the manifested Universe as a cosmos. It declares emphatically
> > that all phenomena within this Universe - superphysical as
> > well as physical - are subject to natural laws which work
> > with mathematical precision. It provides the means by which
> > the superphysical phenomena can be investigated and the
> > underlying laws discovered. The student is thus not only
> > free to decide which is the more rational view of the
> > Universe but also *to test by his own experiences and experiments
> > which is the correct view*. [emph. added]
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Importance of practising siddhis?

[emptybill]

Card ... give it up.

Theosophical speculations abound in his works.
Taimini should have stayed in the chem lab.

How many hidden masters did he claim to have
visited with?

Maybe he found Blavatsky reborn in New Jersey.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
> From Taimni's comment on YS III 15:
>
> The Yogic philosophy takes a more sensible and scientific
> view [than "Western" science]. It considers the whole of
> the manifested Universe as a cosmos. It declares emphatically
> that all phenomena within this Universe - superphysical as
> well as physical - are subject to natural laws which work
> with mathematical precision. It provides the means by which
> the superphysical phenomena can be investigated and the
> underlying laws discovered. The student is thus not only
> free to decide which is the more rational view of the
> Universe but also *to test by his own experiences and experiments
> which is the correct view*. [emph. added]
>