[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods = SIX TASTES of GREENS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amarnath wrote: 1) among the large variety of GREENS all six tastes are easily found So which ones are pungent, sour, sweet and salty? Most are bitter. If you start eating GREENS( not only the leafy greens but brocolli, peas, green peppers, etc ) without any dressing( which disguises the taste ), you will notice that while there may be a predominant taste, there also are other secondary tastes which are easliy missed if one always uses salad dressing. Do not know how Ayurveda would classify these, but from my own taste experiences and the web here is a simple starter: SOUR ~ sorrel and gongura ~ come with many different sizes and shapes of leaf.. but the key is the sour, lemony taste in the leaves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrel_soup my mother used to make this; this is what started me thinking along these lines that not all GREENS are bitter and at one time we had a sorrel bush in our back yard SALTY ~ The ribs of celery are crunchy. It has a salty taste. This is something I noticed a long time ago. from www.juicing-for-health.com/health-benefits-of-celery.html there may be other GREENS which contain the salty taste to some degree SWEET ~ cabbage, stalks of romain lettuce, sweet green peppers, stevia, various green herbs/teas, sweet peas, maybe baby romain and baby spinach, etc PUNGENT ~ Arugula, Mustard Greens, Radish Greens, green jalapeno peppers, etc BITTER ~ Chicory, Dandelion Greens, Kale, spinach, romaine lettuce leaves, endive, chard, and many other greens; this does seem to be the predominat taste of most greens but NOT the only one and NOT ALL greens ASTRINGENT ~ parsley, spinach, cabbage, etc Some of the above was from http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/leafy.html : I am not against any approach that works for you. For me, I did macrobiotic for about three years and tried ayurvedic for several years as well as various superfoods supplements, etc. The experimentation was a learning experience for me. But of the 38 years that I have been a vegetarian, mostly vegan because of milk allergy, the last 8.5 years I have thoroughly enjoyed Dr Fuhrman's Eat To Live approach which emphasizes GREENS a lot. I am not saying GREENS alone are a panacea for everything. Just that the healing potential of GREENS are way underutilized in our daily diet. And of course they should be used in conjunction with all other veggies and fruits and some seeds, nuts, legumes, grains. A little time I spent in India showed me clearly that there were many, many, many approaches to Ayurveda and at least one of them includes a very important emphasis on GREENS. One such example of many approaches in the west, is Dr Gabriel Cousens, MD who applied the Ayurvedic principles to the All Raw VEGAN diet that he has been on for decades. And in organic farming, Amma emphasized that for fertilizer, cow dung should be thoroughly mixed with green vegetation. As far as weight is concerned, INPUT CALORIES is the major factor, although I recognize that there are other factors. So, a big help with the calories, is to understand the health equation: nutritional healing potential = nutrients / calories hope some of this makes sense to some ONE thanks for listening peace and love, anatol
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods = SIX TASTES of GREENS
amarnath wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amarnath wrote: 1) among the large variety of GREENS all six tastes are easily found So which ones are pungent, sour, sweet and salty? Most are bitter. If you start eating GREENS( not only the leafy greens but brocolli, peas, green peppers, etc ) without any dressing( which disguises the taste ), you will notice that while there may be a predominant taste, there also are other secondary tastes which are easliy missed if one always uses salad dressing. Do not know how Ayurveda would classify these, but from my own taste experiences and the web here is a simple starter: And some people won't like that flavor which is often the body telling them it is not for them to eat, plain and simple. It will through them off balance. SOUR ~ sorrel and gongura ~ come with many different sizes and shapes of leaf.. but the key is the sour, lemony taste in the leaves. Perhaps good in small amounts for vata types but you have to look at the after effect whether it is good for vata or not. If it still dehydrates them then it is not so good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrel_soup my mother used to make this; this is what started me thinking along these lines that not all GREENS are bitter and at one time we had a sorrel bush in our back yard SALTY ~ The ribs of celery are crunchy. It has a salty taste. This is something I noticed a long time ago. from www.juicing-for-health.com/health-benefits-of-celery.html there may be other GREENS which contain the salty taste to some degree Must be organic as celery is highly sprayed as if you ever tried raising it the bugs go right for it. They love that salty taste. And yes it is recommended for vata types again in small amounts. SWEET ~ cabbage, stalks of romain lettuce, sweet green peppers, stevia, various green herbs/teas, sweet peas, maybe baby romain and baby spinach, etc Peas are okay for vata types. PUNGENT ~ Arugula, Mustard Greens, Radish Greens, green jalapeno peppers, etc Only in small amounts for vata and pitta types. BITTER ~ Chicory, Dandelion Greens, Kale, spinach, romaine lettuce leaves, endive, chard, and many other greens; this does seem to be the predominat taste of most greens but NOT the only one and NOT ALL greens ASTRINGENT ~ parsley, spinach, cabbage, etc Some of the above was from http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/leafy.html : I am not against any approach that works for you. For me, I did macrobiotic for about three years and tried ayurvedic for several years as well as various superfoods supplements, etc. The experimentation was a learning experience for me. But of the 38 years that I have been a vegetarian, mostly vegan because of milk allergy, the last 8.5 years I have thoroughly enjoyed Dr Fuhrman's Eat To Live approach which emphasizes GREENS a lot. When it comes to nutrition it is different strokes for different folks. We all have different genetic make ups. There are some people who without ever working out with weights will be naturally buff. These are the sympathetic types and greens will work better for them. The majority however is not like that. I am not saying GREENS alone are a panacea for everything. Just that the healing potential of GREENS are way underutilized in our daily diet. And of course they should be used in conjunction with all other veggies and fruits and some seeds, nuts, legumes, grains. Probably because they didn't grow well in certain climates though I harvested broccoli as it was popping up through the snow one winter. A little time I spent in India showed me clearly that there were many, many, many approaches to Ayurveda and at least one of them includes a very important emphasis on GREENS. One such example of many approaches in the west, is Dr Gabriel Cousens, MD who applied the Ayurvedic principles to the All Raw VEGAN diet that he has been on for decades. And in organic farming, Amma emphasized that for fertilizer, cow dung should be thoroughly mixed with green vegetation. I like Cousen's book Conscious Eating since it includes the other approaches such as metabolic typing as well. However I don't agree with his faith based nutrition. A vegan diet may work well for him (let's have a competition to see how well he can perform against non-vegans) but not for everyone unless you want a planet of wusses. :D As far as weight is concerned, INPUT CALORIES is the major factor, although I recognize that there are other factors. So, a big help with the calories, is to understand the health equation: nutritional healing potential = nutrients / calories Again some folks will gain weight on a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods = GREENS include all six tastes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amarnath wrote: besides the blueberries, here's a SuperFood many people overlook: GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES they have the highest NUTRIENTS/CALORIE density of all the food groups at least those that are readily accessible from your local supermarket, farm, garden, etc spirulina does come in handy, if you're in India where there are almost no green leafy vegetables to be had in many places Small point here is not everyone has kapha or pitta imbalance, right? Astringent and bitter vegatables as with the great leafy type can aggravate vata. So they're not a panacea. In India you get cooked green leafy vegetables. If you can't take the spices they can also come them up in Chinese dishes which are often found in the back half of the menu in restaurants there. 1) among the large variety of GREENS all six tastes are easily found 2) estimates are anywhere from 60% to 85% of all Americans are overweight; i believe it's closer to 85%; overweight is a kapha disorder? yes? 3) from a common sense, most practical approach, GREENS are the universal superfood that can help the most people and if in America some billionaire started a chain of FAST HEALTHY TASTY GREENS for whatever ails you, that would not only save TRILLIONS $$ in health care but would produce healthier Americans that perhaps would think more clearly 4) the healing potential of simple GREENS are greatly misunderstand and underutilized is my POV; up to two lbs of GREENS per day is not too much and probably is all good for just about everyone i believe; without a sincere experimental approach, refuting this with some misunderstood and misapplied Ayurdedic principle is just not responsible thanks for listening
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods = GREENS include all six tastes
amarnath wrote: 1) among the large variety of GREENS all six tastes are easily found So which ones are pungent, sour, sweet and salty? Most are bitter. 2) estimates are anywhere from 60% to 85% of all Americans are overweight; i believe it's closer to 85%; overweight is a kapha disorder? yes? It's not that simple. Obesity can be due to any of the three doshas out of balance. Vata when out of balance leads to nervous eating. A pitta imbalance causes overeating. A kapha imbalance causes obesity due to a slow metabolism (can gain weight on juice fast). Acquired kapha is different from a kapha imbalance. If someone with a vata imbalance eats heavier foods they calm down and feel more satisfied and then don't eat as much overall and thus lose weight. 3) from a common sense, most practical approach, GREENS are the universal superfood that can help the most people and if in America some billionaire started a chain of FAST HEALTHY TASTY GREENS for whatever ails you, that would not only save TRILLIONS $$ in health care but would produce healthier Americans that perhaps would think more clearly This just sounds like another scatter brained belief. It is not a panacea. It is good for the people who need to be eating those things. Ayurveda is eating what it right for you not for a group. We already have that fast food chain, it's called Jamba Juice and you can get green drinks there and many stores also bottled juices from that chain whose name I can't remember at the moment and had a problem with contaminated drinks a while back. 4) the healing potential of simple GREENS are greatly misunderstand and underutilized is my POV; up to two lbs of GREENS per day is not too much and probably is all good for just about everyone i believe; without a sincere experimental approach, refuting this with some misunderstood and misapplied Ayurdedic principle is just not responsible thanks for listening Total bullshit. This is just as silly as believing in an fruitarian diet. It is YOU who misunderstand ayurveda. I've had classes in it and have visited Indian ayurvedic institutes and hospitals. For many people eating greens like you suggest will turn them into vata space cases. Anyone here who has had some classes on ayurveda would see that immediately. Unfortunately we have people here who have had bad experiences with ayurveda and so reject it. I've met many people like the that over the years as well as similar cases with people who had bad experiences with Chinese medicine or naturopathy. Then I know many who have had good experiences too. I like to recommend people see someone who has been practicing for at least 10 years. They can bounce things off the newbies (who need the experience) and then get another opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can buy pure freeze-dried acai! Yep, pure acai fruit, no preservatives, no water, cheaper to buy, cheaper to ship. MLMs are such rip-offs. Ya know Alex,my Brazilian Jiu-jitsu buddies were are all Acai fruit freaks. I buy it at Whole Food frozen for smoothies sometimes and I feel so virtuous when I drink the magical and tasty potion! I'll check out the freeze dried version, thanks for the tip. These days I'm going with blueberries man. They are in season, my internet news source says they are good for me, and I freak'n love them! Eating a cup of them on my cereal in season is like handing Maharishi a flower back in the day! (OK, my bliss bar has been lowered a bit.) Raised, some would say. :-) After all, blueberry bliss is based on something more profound than moodmaking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
besides the blueberries, here's a SuperFood many people overlook: GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES they have the highest NUTRIENTS/CALORIE density of all the food groups at least those that are readily accessible from your local supermarket, farm, garden, etc spirulina does come in handy, if you're in India where there are almost no green leafy vegetables to be had in many places --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine my surprise when an old friend started pitching this stuff to me over the phone as the greatest, and most magical food since spirulina algae: http://www.zrii.com/ Endorsed by the Chopra center no less! I lugged so much Ayur Vedic shit back from India it would make your ass hurt. All the brand new and teeming with microbes Maharishi products, all varieties of Triguna potions. Even a bunch of heavy amalaki fruit preserved whole which is the magic ingredient in this over priced elixir. As I look in the ingredients I see turmeric which is a universally honored inflammatory and has recently come back into my kitchen bigtime to stain every fucking thing it touches forever! But I'm getting older and I get what inflammatory means for my aging body. Aging is practically the process of giving in to inflammation! They have ginger, great for my stomach and who knows what other good things it does. It is a food I sprinkle on with delight that magic is happening in my kitchen. The other Indian names I recognize as stuff I used to worship and for all I know are great including the deified and vitamin rich amalaki fruit. Have I told you about my blueberry fetish? Oh man I've got it bad, I eat a cup a day on my cereal and feel so healthy virtuous it makes me glow for the whole day. I love all the magic foods that mass media sells me with the latest study. My dinner is multi colored, whole grain, multi veggie rich and although I do eat meat it is usually in the style of the rest of the world in smaller doses in my brown rice. (the rest of the world hates brown rice but you get my point) So I understand why my friend was glowing in her report of the magic of the amalaki and her non interest in hearing about the placebo effect. And she may even be right, the shit might just be the cats meow and will be a headline on my MSNBC page soon, which seems to dominate my magical food propaganda these days. But if I go with this new magic food I'm getting my own source for this fruit (I've got some in my Dabur Chavanprash in my cupboard right now) and I'll be God damned if Chopra is getting one red cent when I buy into the fad. Like all my magic foods, I'm taking this one with a big dose of salt, (and it wont be Fleur de Sal from France since I found out that all special, magic, high priced salt is salt with dirt! (thanks to Mark Kurlanski who wrote the wonderful book, Salt, a world history.
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days I'm going with blueberries man. They are in season, my internet news source says they are good for me, and I freak'n love them! Eating a cup of them on my cereal in season is like handing Maharishi a flower back in the day! (OK, my bliss bar has been lowered a bit.) Raised, some would say. :-) After all, blueberry bliss is based on something more profound than moodmaking. The local farmer's market as fresh ones for a great price and they are ripe and sweet. Often the ones at the supermarket are picked a little under ripe and sour. The folks selling them are from Brazil (the berries are raised on a farm up in the Sierras).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
amarnath wrote: besides the blueberries, here's a SuperFood many people overlook: GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES they have the highest NUTRIENTS/CALORIE density of all the food groups at least those that are readily accessible from your local supermarket, farm, garden, etc spirulina does come in handy, if you're in India where there are almost no green leafy vegetables to be had in many places Small point here is not everyone has kapha or pitta imbalance, right? Astringent and bitter vegatables as with the great leafy type can aggravate vata. So they're not a panacea. In India you get cooked green leafy vegetables. If you can't take the spices they can also come them up in Chinese dishes which are often found in the back half of the menu in restaurants there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amarnath wrote: besides the blueberries, here's a SuperFood many people overlook: GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES they have the highest NUTRIENTS/CALORIE density of all the food groups at least those that are readily accessible from your local supermarket, farm, garden, etc spirulina does come in handy, if you're in India where there are almost no green leafy vegetables to be had in many places Small point here is not everyone has kapha or pitta imbalance, right? Astringent and bitter vegatables as with the great leafy type can aggravate vata. So they're not a panacea. In India you get cooked green leafy vegetables. If you can't take the spices they can also come them up in Chinese dishes which are often found in the back half of the menu in restaurants there. Cook your collard greens with smoked ham hock like I do. That'll cure your vata problems!
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curtisdeltablues wrote: - Cook your collard greens with smoked ham hock like I do. That'll cure your vata problems! Nah! Too much trouble. I'll just go to the famous barbecue at Jack London Square in Oakland for that. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine my surprise when an old friend started pitching this stuff to me over the phone as the greatest, and most magical food since spirulina algae: http://www.zrii.com/ Oh gawd... those magic fruit juice MLM's drive me up the wall with their obnoxious hype. And, there's at least one MLM per fruit... mangosteen, acai, goji, noni, amla, jujube... and, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of them contain preservatives. And Monavie, the stuff that's hyped for the healing woowoo of acai? Well, it's a juice blend, of which acai is only one of 19 fruits. And, the company acquires the acai in freeze-dried form and incorporates it into juice that requires preservatives and is heavy, thus requiring more resources to ship all over. I did a Google search, and guess what? You can buy pure freeze-dried acai! Yep, pure acai fruit, no preservatives, no water, cheaper to buy, cheaper to ship. MLMs are such rip-offs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic foods
You can buy pure freeze-dried acai! Yep, pure acai fruit, no preservatives, no water, cheaper to buy, cheaper to ship. MLMs are such rip-offs. Ya know Alex,my Brazilian Jiu-jitsu buddies were are all Acai fruit freaks. I buy it at Whole Food frozen for smoothies sometimes and I feel so virtuous when I drink the magical and tasty potion! I'll check out the freeze dried version, thanks for the tip. These days I'm going with blueberries man. They are in season, my internet news source says they are good for me, and I freak'n love them! Eating a cup of them on my cereal in season is like handing Maharishi a flower back in the day! (OK, my bliss bar has been lowered a bit.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Imagine my surprise when an old friend started pitching this stuff to me over the phone as the greatest, and most magical food since spirulina algae: http://www.zrii.com/ Oh gawd... those magic fruit juice MLM's drive me up the wall with their obnoxious hype. And, there's at least one MLM per fruit... mangosteen, acai, goji, noni, amla, jujube... and, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of them contain preservatives. And Monavie, the stuff that's hyped for the healing woowoo of acai? Well, it's a juice blend, of which acai is only one of 19 fruits. And, the company acquires the acai in freeze-dried form and incorporates it into juice that requires preservatives and is heavy, thus requiring more resources to ship all over. I did a Google search, and guess what? You can buy pure freeze-dried acai! Yep, pure acai fruit, no preservatives, no water, cheaper to buy, cheaper to ship. MLMs are such rip-offs.
