[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[tertonzeno]

---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict 
tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the 
challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists 
maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and 
the laws of QM).
 On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation from 
a rep of Andrew Cohen's Enlightenment Magazine asking for $$ 
donations.
 Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in Evolotionary 
Enlightenment, I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap 
between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlightenment 
and actual performance. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You 
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 While quantum is usually discussed in realms of physics, 
meditation gets
 us to the quantum realm(s).  Raising the kundalini past the anahat 
will
 present past, present and future as a tripartite of a singular 
whole and the
 most profound word resonating throughout your being will be NOW!, 
in your
 native language.  From this threshold new paradigms can be created, 
answers
 to nearly any question are readily experienced and being in more 
than one
 place at a time is possible, among other progressively more subtle
 capabilities yet to become ubiquitous in human life on Earth.  
Quantum
 Psyche, that's for us, you betcha, by golly, and how!
 
  *Tantra Psychology
 *http://TantraPsychology.Learn.to 
http://tantrapsychology.learn.to/
 
 *They are educated who have learned much, remembered much,
 and make use of their knowledge in everyday life.
 And of these lessons integrated into their life,
 moral conscience is the most imperative to learn
 and convey to others.
 Their virtues give true meaning to education. *
 
 
 On 1/10/08, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   On Jan 10, 2008, at 2:43 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
 
  Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood 
it.
  As quoted in Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in 
a
  Chaotic World (1999) by Margaret J. Wheatley, p. 32
 
 
 
 
  The notion of complementarity does in no way involve a departure 
from our
  position as detached observers of nature...The essentially new 
feature in
  the analysis of quantum phenomena is the introduction of a 
*fundamental
  distinction between the measuring apparatus and the objects under
  investigation*...In our future encounters with reality we shall 
have to
  distinguish between the objective side and the subjective side, 
to make a
  division between the two, (Bohr's ital.)
 
 
  -Nils Bohr
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict 
 tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the 
 challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists 
 maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and 
 the laws of QM).


snort

My luck we get a bunch of enlightened, but not very nice people,
fucking with the laws of physics. Some goofball with a crown decided
irreverent Ruthie should trip and fall.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
further.  What they are referring to, and what the
Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
time is both past, present and future, and future may
well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
been conceived.

When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
foresee or dream future events and to witness things
occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
hours or in the community of others, retards their
capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
within their conscious attention within the usual realms
of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.

An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.

Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.

Enlightened person?  Such stock market challenges are
part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
obscenity to enlightened people once they reach such
thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
have your answer if you ask the right questions.

 *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive
enough to contain the universe, then the universe is
within you, accessible in whole along with all its
talents and charms.  Do not hesitate another moment to
acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and
express this satyam through your service to humanity.*
**
*Now that you know this sublime truth,
the world awaits your advent, now.*



On 1/10/08, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict
 tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the
 challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists
 maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and
 the laws of QM).
 On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation from
 a rep of Andrew Cohen's Enlightenment Magazine asking for $$
 donations.
 Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in Evolotionary
 Enlightenment, I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap
 between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlightenment
 and actual performance.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
 Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  While quantum is usually discussed in realms of physics,
 meditation gets
  us to the quantum realm(s).  Raising the kundalini past the anahat
 will
  present past, present and future as a tripartite of a singular
 whole and the
  most profound word resonating throughout your being will be NOW!,
 in your
  native language.  From this threshold new paradigms can be created,
 answers
  to nearly any question are readily experienced and being in more
 than one
  place at a time is possible, among other progressively more subtle
  capabilities yet to become 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Enlightened person?  Such stock market challenges are
 part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
 obscenity to enlightened people once they reach such
 thresholds of spiritual excellence.  


Oh really?  That was what I always thought, that the enlightened were
beyond such pettiness.  But then why is the TMO is so interested in
claiming the stock market rises when all the Siddhas are together?  


DharmaMitra also says:

  Why not ask them to
 demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
 have your answer if you ask the right questions.
 

So did you?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[matrixmonitor]

--so, you're saying that any talk of economics in relation to 
Enlightened people would demean the discussion; this in view of the 
questional behavior of such persons in begging for alms and 
(possibly) resorting to dishonest methods to squeeze money out of 
people.  Is that your position?  Interesting fantasy.  You've been 
reading too much Patanjali.  This is the real world.



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You 
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
 subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
 the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
 by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
 perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
 perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
 further.  What they are referring to, and what the
 Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
 indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
 mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
 time is both past, present and future, and future may
 well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
 been conceived.
 
 When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
 times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
 witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
 foresee or dream future events and to witness things
 occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
 of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
 involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
 their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
 hours or in the community of others, retards their
 capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
 within their conscious attention within the usual realms
 of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.
 
 An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
 soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
 deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
 the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
 sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
 their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
 and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
 as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
 military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
 engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
 against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
 appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
 his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
 to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.
 
 Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
 science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
 intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
 transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
 ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
 love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
 of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
 through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
 all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
 through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
 fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
 anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
 perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
 of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.
 
 Enlightened person?  Such stock market challenges are
 part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
 obscenity to enlightened people once they reach such
 thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
 demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
 have your answer if you ask the right questions.
 
  *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive
 enough to contain the universe, then the universe is
 within you, accessible in whole along with all its
 talents and charms.  Do not hesitate another moment to
 acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and
 express this satyam through your service to humanity.*
 **
 *Now that you know this sublime truth,
 the world awaits your advent, now.*
 
 
 
 On 1/10/08, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to 
predict
  tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the
  challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some 
economists
  maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics 
and
  the laws of QM).
  On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation 
from
  a rep of Andrew Cohen's Enlightenment Magazine asking for $$
  donations.
  Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in Evolotionary
  Enlightenment, I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap
  between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlightenment
  and actual performance.
 
 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
  Think -- 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

The material world is a basic and relative truth, and as a
consequence the proper use, rational utilization and
maximum utilization of all resources, mundane, supramundane,
psychic, metaphysical, and spiritual potentialities of the universe.
Economics is an integral part of this, a concern of both saints and
morons.  Nothing of what I said contradicts any of this.

I've read very little of Patanjali, and know of a couple mistakes as well.
I speak from experience.

 You demonstrate exactly what I said by your assertions,
assertion based on the minimitis of the parameter of
psychic agitations within one's vanity and contempt,
demeaning this discussion.  Shoving evolution backwards
at other people's expense and delighting in that is himsa.

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On 1/10/08, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --so, you're saying that any talk of economics in relation to
 Enlightened people would demean the discussion; this in view of the
 questional behavior of such persons in begging for alms and
 (possibly) resorting to dishonest methods to squeeze money out of
 people.  Is that your position?  Interesting fantasy.  You've been
 reading too much Patanjali.  This is the real world.



 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
 Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
  subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
  the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
  by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
  perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
  perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
  further.  What they are referring to, and what the
  Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
  indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
  mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
  time is both past, present and future, and future may
  well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
  been conceived.
 
  When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
  times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
  witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
  foresee or dream future events and to witness things
  occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
  of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
  involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
  their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
  hours or in the community of others, retards their
  capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
  within their conscious attention within the usual realms
  of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.
 
  An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
  soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
  deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
  the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
  sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
  their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
  and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
  as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
  military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
  engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
  against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
  appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
  his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
  to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.
 
  Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
  science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
  intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
  transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
  ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
  love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
  of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
  through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
  all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
  through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
  fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
  anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
  perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
  of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.
 
  Enlightened person?  Such stock market challenges are
  part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
  obscenity to enlightened people once they reach such
  thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
  demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
  have your answer if you ask the right questions.
 
   *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive
  enough to contain the universe, then the universe is
  within you,