[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-05-10 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >[...]
> >  
> >
> >>The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
> >>    
> >>
> >resources 
> >  
> >
> >>and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
> >>painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in mind.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Haven't you seen "Left Behind" and "Left Behind II" etc?
> >
> >It doesn't matter. Only the good stewards who exploited the land will 
> >be lifted up anyway.
> >  
> >
> I accidentally rented one once thinking it was a B-movie apocalyptic 
> thriller.  Then I thought it was a spoof on Christianity until by the 
> end I realized that they were serious.   P.T. Barnum was right on.
>

There are entire gated communities inhabited by real estate developers who want to be 
surrounded by the right kind of people when they are "called home."

You can't make this stuff up...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-29 Thread Bhairitu



shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>shempmcgurk wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
> 
>
>  
>
>>"counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" 
>>    
>>
>and 
>  
>
>>survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a 
>>   
>>
>>    
>>
>>>lot 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>  
>>
>>   
>>
>>    
>>
>of the 
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>things you mention there.
>>  
>>
>>   
>>
>>    
>>
>Did you continue them and, if not, why?
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
These were skills and concepts you learn.  You  don't have to 
   

    

>>>practice 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
them all a the  time.

   

    

>Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
>drive a gas-consuming vehicle?
>
>Which one, pray tell?
>
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
A Subaru Forrester.

   

    

>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Not very impressive from a polluting point of view.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you can get your own house in order before you start 
>>>  
>>>
>blaming 
>  
>
>>>sweet, innocent oil companies:
>>>
>>>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Hah!  The Forester is hardly a polluter nor a gas guzzler.
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Where can you go in a Forrester that you can't go in a Honda Civic, 
>you global-warming fossil-fuel burner?
>
>  
>
The Forester was considered the best value for it's price and class when 
I bought it 1998.  I'm also driven a CRV which is a nice vehicle.   The 
Civic is a little small to haul some of my music gear.  I would like to 
see a Civic deal with some of the mud I've been able to drive through 
with the AWD Forester.

I didn't think you believed in global warming?  Do I need to do a Willy 
like search here?   By the laws of thermodynamics any engine will create 
heat in its operation thereby contributing to global warming.  It's the 
depletion of non-renewable resources that we are discussing here and how 
we solve the problem.  Again a  Forester is hardly in the class of a gas 
guzzler.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-29 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >  
> >
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> "counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" 
and 
> survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a 
>     
> 
> >lot 
> >  
> >
>    
> 
>     
> 
> >>>of the 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> things you mention there.
>    
> 
>     
> 
> >>>
> >>>Did you continue them and, if not, why?
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>These were skills and concepts you learn.  You  don't have to 
> >>    
> >>
> >practice 
> >  
> >
> >>them all a the  time.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
> >>>drive a gas-consuming vehicle?
> >>>
> >>>Which one, pray tell?
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>A Subaru Forrester.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >Not very impressive from a polluting point of view.
> >
> >Perhaps you can get your own house in order before you start 
blaming 
> >sweet, innocent oil companies:
> >
> >http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
> >
> >  
> >
> Hah!  The Forester is hardly a polluter nor a gas guzzler.





Where can you go in a Forrester that you can't go in a Honda Civic, 
you global-warming fossil-fuel burner?






>  It is in the 
> light class of SUVs like the Honda CRV and Toyota RAV (which has 
been 
> redigned to be more competition for the Forester). 
> 
> You are showing your ignorance of the history of oil companies.  
They 
> are far from sweet and innocent and their quest for oil has been 
behind 
> many wars in history.  You have nothing to gain from being an 
apologist 
> for corporatism, McGoo.  Those people could care less about you.
>











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-29 Thread Bhairitu



sparaig wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[...]
>  
>
>>The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
>>    
>>
>resources 
>  
>
>>and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
>>painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in mind.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Haven't you seen "Left Behind" and "Left Behind II" etc?
>
>It doesn't matter. Only the good stewards who exploited the land will 
>be lifted up anyway.
>  
>
I accidentally rented one once thinking it was a B-movie apocalyptic 
thriller.  Then I thought it was a spoof on Christianity until by the 
end I realized that they were serious.   P.T. Barnum was right on.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-29 Thread Bhairitu



shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[snip]
>
>  
>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
"counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" and 
survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a 
    

>lot 
>  
>
   

    

>>>of the 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
things you mention there.
   

    

>>>
>>>Did you continue them and, if not, why?
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>These were skills and concepts you learn.  You  don't have to 
>>    
>>
>practice 
>  
>
>>them all a the  time.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
>>>drive a gas-consuming vehicle?
>>>
>>>Which one, pray tell?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>A Subaru Forrester.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>[snip]
>
>Not very impressive from a polluting point of view.
>
>Perhaps you can get your own house in order before you start blaming 
>sweet, innocent oil companies:
>
>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
>
>  
>
Hah!  The Forester is hardly a polluter nor a gas guzzler.  It is in the 
light class of SUVs like the Honda CRV and Toyota RAV (which has been 
redigned to be more competition for the Forester). 

You are showing your ignorance of the history of oil companies.  They 
are far from sweet and innocent and their quest for oil has been behind 
many wars in history.  You have nothing to gain from being an apologist 
for corporatism, McGoo.  Those people could care less about you.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>



[snip]


> 
> The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
resources 
> and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
> painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in mind.
>


I wasn't aware that the American Right Wing set the gas consumption 
agenda of the American Left (or any "Wing" for that matter).

Pray tell, Bhairitu, King of the Conspiracy Theories, exactly how do 
they go about doing this?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]

> >  
> >
> >>"counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" and 
> >>survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a 
lot 
> >>    
> >>
> >of the 
> >  
> >
> >>things you mention there.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Did you continue them and, if not, why?
> >  
> >
> These were skills and concepts you learn.  You  don't have to 
practice 
> them all a the  time.
> 
> >Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
> >drive a gas-consuming vehicle?
> >
> >Which one, pray tell?
> >
> >  
> >
> A Subaru Forrester.
> 

[snip]

Not very impressive from a polluting point of view.

Perhaps you can get your own house in order before you start blaming 
sweet, innocent oil companies:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
resources 
> and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
> painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in mind.
>

Haven't you seen "Left Behind" and "Left Behind II" etc?

It doesn't matter. Only the good stewards who exploited the land will 
be lifted up anyway.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread Bhairitu



shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>In a message dated 4/28/06 4:38:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As it  should be: in this land of gas-guzzlers and SUV-drivers, 
>>>  
>>>
>it  
>  
>
>>>would be out  of place if Chevron DIDN'T see profits  soar.
>>>
>>>Good for them.
>>>
>>>Maybe they should be  rewarded, I see where Shell, who I think 
>>>  
>>>
>merged with 
>  
>
>>>Chevron, is going to  expand one of their refineries to be the 
>>>  
>>>
>biggest in the  
>  
>
>>>world.
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope they  build it near the shore so that when sea levels rise 
>>>  
>>>
>20 feet due 
>  
>
>>>to global  warming it will be inundated. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It is, in Port Arthur Texas. Have a horse and buggy? When that  
>>>  
>>>
>one goes 
>  
>
>>>under so will most of the refineries. Can you grow your own food, 
>>>  
>>>
>weave  your own 
>  
>
>>>fabric, do without medicine?How far can you walk daily and how 
>>>  
>>>
>much can  you 
>  
>
>>>carry on that walk. Interstate commerce will cease and no trucks 
>>>  
>>>
>will fill  
>  
>
>>>your stores with goods you depend on. How do you heat your house? 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Maybe you weren't born yet but in the late 1970's many of us in 
>>    
>>
>the 
>  
>
>>"counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" and 
>>survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a lot 
>>    
>>
>of the 
>  
>
>>things you mention there.
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>Did you continue them and, if not, why?
>  
>
These were skills and concepts you learn.  You  don't have to practice 
them all a the  time.

>Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
>drive a gas-consuming vehicle?
>
>Which one, pray tell?
>
>  
>
A Subaru Forrester.

>Remember: Chevron and Exxon don't consume the gasoline they are 
>producing for you.
>
>
>  
>
I buy my gas at Venezuela owned Citgo.  Viva Chavez!  :)

>> Living in earthquake country you are supposed 
>>to be prepared for such things.   It's probably even good to have 
>>    
>>
>a 
>  
>
>>chemical toilet and cook stove you can use outdoors.  As for 
>>    
>>
>medicine 
>  
>
>>why do you think some of us studied ayurveda?   There are even 
>>    
>>
>guides 
>  
>
>>for herbs that grow in the west  that work similarly to Indian 
>>    
>>
>herbs.  I 
>  
>
>>go for a walk every day and during the 1970's jogged as far as 9 
>>    
>>
>miles 
>  
>
>>daily.
>>
>>And we could probably recycle a lot of plastic that isn't going to 
>>disappear anytime soon.  An EMF bomb would also put everyone back 
>>    
>>
>to the 
>  
>
>>dark ages unless you've got a some solar generators and tech 
>>    
>>
>equipment 
>  
>
>>(laptop, etc) stashed in a Faraday cage.  Though it wouldn't 
>>    
>>
>surprise me 
>  
>
>>if the metal casings on a lot of gear would block EMF.
>>
>>The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
>>    
>>
>resources 
>  
>
>>and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
>>painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in 
>>    
>>
>mind.
>
>
>
>Gee, I'd love to know what YOUR consumption habits are...
>
>  
>
I'm always on a diet :(







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/28/06 5:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >It  is, in Port Arthur Texas. Have a horse and buggy? When that  
one goes  
> >under so will most of the refineries. Can you grow your own 
food,  weave  
> your own 
> >fabric, do without medicine?How far can you walk  daily and how 
much can  
> you 
> >carry on that walk. Interstate  commerce will cease and no trucks 
will fill  
> >your stores with  goods you depend on. How do you heat your 
house? 
> >
> Maybe you weren't  born yet but in the late 1970's many of us in 
the 
> "counter culture" were  into things like "Small is Beautiful" and 
> survivalism (the non-right wing  variety) and know how to do a lot 
of the 
> things you mention there.   Living in earthquake country you are 
supposed 
> to be prepared for such  things.   It's probably even good to have 
a 
> chemical toilet and  cook stove you can use outdoors.  As for 
medicine 
> why do you think  some of us studied ayurveda?   There are even 
guides 
> for herbs  that grow in the west  that work similarly to Indian 
herbs.  I  
> go for a walk every day and during the 1970's jogged as far as 9 
miles  
> daily.
> 
> And we could probably recycle a lot of plastic that isn't  going 
to 
> disappear anytime soon.  An EMF bomb would also put everyone  back 
to the 
> dark ages unless you've got a some solar generators and tech  
equipment 
> (laptop, etc) stashed in a Faraday cage.  Though it  wouldn't 
surprise me 
> if the metal casings on a lot of gear would block  EMF.
> 
> The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much  
resources 
> and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done  somewhat 
> painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in  
mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good for you! I'm glad you are a survivalist. Hope you don't  
count on a 
> government to protect you and your rights in such a chaotic 
state.  Because by 
> this stage it surely will be survival of the fittest. Not a time 
for  being 
> passive and peace loving. If you think gangs are bad now, just 
wait!




I wonder how well Bhairitu's survivalist talents will serve him 
unless he takes advantage of the second amendment...




>  As  for 
> Ayurveda, well , I guess it's better than nothing until you get  
sick.
>











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> >In a message dated 4/28/06 4:38:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >As it  should be: in this land of gas-guzzlers and SUV-drivers, 
it  
> >would be out  of place if Chevron DIDN'T see profits  soar.
> >
> >Good for them.
> >
> >Maybe they should be  rewarded, I see where Shell, who I think 
merged with 
> >Chevron, is going to  expand one of their refineries to be the 
biggest in the  
> >world.
> >
> >
> >I hope they  build it near the shore so that when sea levels rise 
20 feet due 
> >to global  warming it will be inundated. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >It is, in Port Arthur Texas. Have a horse and buggy? When that  
one goes 
> >under so will most of the refineries. Can you grow your own food, 
weave  your own 
> >fabric, do without medicine?How far can you walk daily and how 
much can  you 
> >carry on that walk. Interstate commerce will cease and no trucks 
will fill  
> >your stores with goods you depend on. How do you heat your house? 
> >
> Maybe you weren't born yet but in the late 1970's many of us in 
the 
> "counter culture" were into things like "Small is Beautiful" and 
> survivalism (the non-right wing variety) and know how to do a lot 
of the 
> things you mention there.



Did you continue them and, if not, why?

Are you still living like that today?  Or, as I suspect, do you 
drive a gas-consuming vehicle?

Which one, pray tell?

Remember: Chevron and Exxon don't consume the gasoline they are 
producing for you.


>  Living in earthquake country you are supposed 
> to be prepared for such things.   It's probably even good to have 
a 
> chemical toilet and cook stove you can use outdoors.  As for 
medicine 
> why do you think some of us studied ayurveda?   There are even 
guides 
> for herbs that grow in the west  that work similarly to Indian 
herbs.  I 
> go for a walk every day and during the 1970's jogged as far as 9 
miles 
> daily.
> 
> And we could probably recycle a lot of plastic that isn't going to 
> disappear anytime soon.  An EMF bomb would also put everyone back 
to the 
> dark ages unless you've got a some solar generators and tech 
equipment 
> (laptop, etc) stashed in a Faraday cage.  Though it wouldn't 
surprise me 
> if the metal casings on a lot of gear would block EMF.
> 
> The American standard of living is bloated, consumes too much 
resources 
> and needs to "ground out."  This could have been done somewhat 
> painlessly but that's apparently not what the right wing has in 
mind.



Gee, I'd love to know what YOUR consumption habits are...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Nothing wrong with this picture

2006-04-28 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 4/28/06 4:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 4/28/06 4:38:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>  
> >>>  
>  As it   should be: in this land of gas-guzzlers and SUV-
drivers, it
>  would be out  of place if Chevron DIDN'T see profits  soar.
>  
>  Good for them.
> >>> Maybe they should be  rewarded, I see where Shell, who I think 
merged with
> >>> Chevron, is going to  expand one of their refineries to be the 
biggest in
> >>> the  world.
> >>> 
> >> I hope they  build it near the shore so that when sea levels 
rise 20 feet due
> >> to global  warming it will be inundated.
> >> 
> > It is, in Port Arthur Texas. Have a horse and buggy? When that 
one goes under
> > so will most of the refineries.
> > 
> So ultimately, they¹re self-destructing.
> > 
> > Can you grow your own food, weave your own fabric, do without 
medicine?How far
> > can you walk daily and how much can you carry on that walk. 
Interstate
> > commerce will cease and no trucks will fill your stores with 
goods you depend
> > on. How do you heat your house?
> > 
> Passive solar and wood.



How polluting is wood compared to, say, unleaded gas being burned in 
a car?



> 
> Too bad Bush didn¹t put the trillion dollars the Iraq war will 
ultimately
> cost into a moon landing scale effort to achieve energy self-
sufficiency.
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