[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- jim_flanegin wrote: > > My take on why we project a perfect world into the past or future is > our direct mental translation of the imperfection, or the space one > feels right now, into time. In other words, instead of dealing with > the discord or spatial disconnect that we feel presently, it is > translated into a future or past event of realization, giving us, in > effect, more time to deal with it. I tend to cast a golden glow over my past because time has worn away the superficial worries that clouded my experiences at the time. Or viewed another way, that which is closest to the truth lasts longest, and because only love is true, love is all that remains when everything other than love has been erased by time. I tend to cast a golden glow over the future because, so far, my futures have been better than my pasts. I'm living the Western myth of progress. Things do get better. Perhaps it's these processes writ large that make me open to the possibility that a golden Sat Yuga existed in the distant past, and that an Age of Enlightenment could save us in the future. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The > fantasies are a mechanism for distracting us from > NOW and making us think that things will be "better" > in some future time or were "better" in some past > time. They're a way of *avoiding* NOW, and thus > avoiding enlightenment. > My take on why we project a perfect world into the past or future is our direct mental translation of the imperfection, or the space one feels right now, into time. In other words, instead of dealing with the discord or spatial disconnect that we feel presently, it is translated into a future or past event of realization, giving us, in effect, more time to deal with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika on 3/17/06 12:54 AM, Dharma Mitra at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a problem in America! Millions of new Americans are getting their pecker whittled since the 1950s to assure they don't grow up to be gay. That’s a rationale for circumcision? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > Bob enjoys his fantasy world--seems happy in it. :) > > Is it that different from utopian fantasies about the > perfect future world, or after-life fantasies about > heaven, or New Age fantasies about the coming Age Of > Aquarius, or even the Age Of Enlightenment? > > The fantasy of the "perfect India" shares the same two > criteria as all the others -- they're mythical, and > they are *not* happening right here, right NOW. The > fantasies are a mechanism for distracting us from > NOW and making us think that things will be "better" > in some future time or were "better" in some past > time. They're a way of *avoiding* NOW, and thus > avoiding enlightenment. Of course, MMY has grandoise plans to make things happen, and is willing to spend (waste?) large amounts of money inthe process. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob enjoys his fantasy world--seems happy in it. :) Is it that different from utopian fantasies about the perfect future world, or after-life fantasies about heaven, or New Age fantasies about the coming Age Of Aquarius, or even the Age Of Enlightenment? The fantasy of the "perfect India" shares the same two criteria as all the others -- they're mythical, and they are *not* happening right here, right NOW. The fantasies are a mechanism for distracting us from NOW and making us think that things will be "better" in some future time or were "better" in some past time. Agree with all the above, Barry. They're a way of *avoiding* NOW, and thus avoiding enlightenment. I don't put much stock in these endless discussions about 'enlightenment,' whatever that term my mean to you or anyone else, since I think the discussions themselves are pretty much a ruse for avoiding dealing with anything halfway practical or useful. But I will agree the fantasies are also a way of avoiding dealing with life in the here and now. I just wish he would stop repeating the same quotes over and over and over. It's like a broken recored you can't turn off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob enjoys his fantasy world--seems happy in it. :) Is it that different from utopian fantasies about the perfect future world, or after-life fantasies about heaven, or New Age fantasies about the coming Age Of Aquarius, or even the Age Of Enlightenment? The fantasy of the "perfect India" shares the same two criteria as all the others -- they're mythical, and they are *not* happening right here, right NOW. The fantasies are a mechanism for distracting us from NOW and making us think that things will be "better" in some future time or were "better" in some past time. They're a way of *avoiding* NOW, and thus avoiding enlightenment. > On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:06 PM, mrfishey2001 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > "India is the only country > > which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with > > this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural > > Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the > > protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." > > > > > > This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and > > social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? > > > > Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered > > "protective." > > > > Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Bob enjoys his fantasy world--seems happy in it. :) Sal On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:06 PM, mrfishey2001 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered "protective." Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
It's a problem in America! Millions of new Americans are getting their pecker whittled since the 1950s to assure they don't grow up to be gay. I primitive beastly ignorant predatory bigotted misguided semi-cannibalistic endeavor! On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote:>> "India is the only country > which can assume a parental role for every country of the worldwith> this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural> Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the > protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God.">>> This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and> social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women?>> Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered> "protective."Is genital mutilation a problem in India? I thought it was only aproblem in the Dark Continent, and only amongst Muslims. Yes, I know that India has many millions of Muslims but I didn't think itwas a part of their tradition in India.>> Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot.>> --- > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > "India is the only country > which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with > this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural > Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the > protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." > > > This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and > social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? > > Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered > "protective." Is genital mutilation a problem in India? I thought it was only a problem in the Dark Continent, and only amongst Muslims. Yes, I know that India has many millions of Muslims but I didn't think it was a part of their tradition in India. > > Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot. > > --- > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered "protective." Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Lookin' at the picture, are those the hats of the Grand Poobhas? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse > matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika, > used by the Nazis is in fact the "evil" sauwastika.[9] > (Gonz¨¢lez "proves" that the left-facing swastika is the sunwise one > with reference to a 1930's box of Standard fireworks from Sivakasi, > India.) This inversion ¨C whether intentional or not ¨C might derive > from a desire to prove that the Nazi's use of the right-handed > swastika was expressive of their "evil" intent. (See also Taboo in > Western countries.) But the notion that Adolf Hitler deliberately > inverted the "good left-facing" swastika is wholly unsupported by any > historical evidence." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Yes, I just had read the complete wiki article afterwards. Anyway, it sort of explains, where the myth is coming from, and I am sure it was spread by the Theosophs later. My hosts in Madras had shown me big eloborate books about the symbols, with long chapters with illustrations and symbolic definitions about the 'correct' swastika. I can't reproduce it here, I didn't read it, I just saw all the pages in the book. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. > *** No concern, because the West does not count (in India, obviously, where there are swastikas everywhere, it's a non-issue). The TMO is going to succeed or fail on the basis of India alone, so the price increases (but not in India), the withdrawal of TM activities in scorpionland, etc., and this swastika thing are signals that the fate of the TMO outside of India, except as a shell of an organization until India does its Vedic revival thing, doesn't matter: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. > *** No concern, because the West does not count (in India, obviously, where there are swastikas everywhere, it's a non-issue). The TMO is going to succeed or fail on the basis of India alone, so the price increases (but not in India), the withdrawal of TM activities in scorpionland, etc., and this swastika thing are signals that the fate of the TMO outside doesn't matter: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks DM. I found this interesting: > > "from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA > > As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is > similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to > the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction > -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which > take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed > (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the > currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party > was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." > > http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm "The name sauwastika is sometimes given for the supposedly "evil", left-facing, form of the swastika ( d). A common myth is that the left-facing swastika is generally regarded as evil in Hindu tradition. This is because the much more common form in India is the right-facing swastika. Indians of all faiths sometimes use the symbol in both orientations - mostly for symmetry. Buddhists (outside India) generally use the left-facing swastika over the right-facing swastika although, again, both can be used. Despite this, the misconception that the left-facing swastika is evil is widespread, even among some contemporary Indian communities. Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika, used by the Nazis is in fact the "evil" sauwastika.[9] (Gonz¨¢lez "proves" that the left-facing swastika is the sunwise one with reference to a 1930's box of Standard fireworks from Sivakasi, India.) This inversion ¨C whether intentional or not ¨C might derive from a desire to prove that the Nazi's use of the right-handed swastika was expressive of their "evil" intent. (See also Taboo in Western countries.) But the notion that Adolf Hitler deliberately inverted the "good left-facing" swastika is wholly unsupported by any historical evidence." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > wrote: > > > > It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying > information > > for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of > > some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: > > > > http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ > > > > http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.h tm > > > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO > that > > > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > > > > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > > > > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who > then > > > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > > > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > > > long gone... > > > > Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending > > you a message about the quality of your attempts at > > foreplay? > > > > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > > > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > > > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > > > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > > > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > > > the shows. > > > > > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > > > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > > > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > > > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > > > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > > > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > > > say about men's penises?" > > > > > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > > > > > :-) > > > > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even > > the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? > > Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" > > with them... > > > > "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. > > In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had > a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. > > Forget the women saying "Ouch"...if this fellow ever > got an erection, would he have enough blood left in > his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) > Women can handle any *length* since the guy isn't *required* to get close to her (John Holmes had that problem to some extent)-- it's the girth that becomes an issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > > > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > > > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss > > > > That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) > > Not always... Yeah...that's what all guys believe... :-) > > > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > > the shows. > > > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > > say about men's penises?" > > > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > > > :-) > > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even > the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? > Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" > with them... > > "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. Forget the women saying "Ouch"...if this fellow ever got an erection, would he have enough blood left in his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > the shows. > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > say about men's penises?" > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > :-) > I like the one about the guy who picks a woman up at a bar, brings her home, and starts to seduce her. He takes her clothes off and she then proceeds to take his clothes off. At the point where she takes his underpants off, she looks down at his member and says: "Who do you think you're going to satisfy with that little thing?" And he says: "Me!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > the shows. > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > say about men's penises?" > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > :-) > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" with them... "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Having trouble in that area are you, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in > there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long > gone... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > wrote: > > > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss > > That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) Not always... > > > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > What's foreplay? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > Nah, I've lost interest. > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in > there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long > gone... > Dude, this sounds like a personal problem... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Reading the posts that the links came with will clarify which direction is the most auspicious for those who take spiritual science literally and act upon and with the yantra. Petty flauntulosis is at the shallow end of a muudy pool, cessantly. On 3/16/06, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks DM. I found this interesting:"from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which issimilar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross tothe right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction-- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed(motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' thecurrents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi partywas actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifyinginformation> for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of> some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: >> http://reclaimtheswastika.com/>> http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm >> http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Thanks DM. I found this interesting: "from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information > for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of > some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: > > http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ > > http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to > the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has > a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Vlodrop is not far from the German border. It was occupied by the Nazis during WWII and the big building there was used as some sort of troop quarters or storage building. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healinghttp://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM~-> To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you "Say It With Panache!"Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises?" The second guy says, "Ouch?" :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika On 3/16/06, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote:> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"> > wrote:>> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that> > > takes the lead on this... > >> > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and> > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you> > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing.> >> > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied> > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond.> >>> Nah, I've lost interest. >> Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then> insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's> in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > long gone...Does it ever occur to you that she might be sendingyou a message about the quality of your attempts atforeplay? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > > long gone... > > Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending > you a message about the quality of your attempts at > foreplay? > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive > > to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the > > swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. > > As does "Damn democracy" and "Britain is Scorpionland." > They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) > I actually think it's a conspiracy on the part of the American Chiropractors Association. All of these incidents and declarations coming out of the TMO cause so much head-shaking and eye-rolling that it's causing a lot of kinks and soreness that is keeping their waiting rooms full. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. It hasn't been incorporated into the TM Loga yet, I suppose. Part of the TMO's message is universal, but another part has a strong Indian appeal (doing yagyas etc) The use of religious symbols as the swastika is just in the same category. > In light of that, they must be sensitive to > the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has > a very negative connotation in certain quarters. You are right, one should be sensitive in certain areas, you CAN'T have it displayed in Germany, I certainly would not have it displayed publicly in Israel. But I am against banning it per se. Check out, there are Jains worldwide, they all have the swastika on their Logo on every publication. The Theosophs have it as well, long before Hitler, and left-facing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > long gone... Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending you a message about the quality of your attempts at foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive > to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the > swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. As does "Damn democracy" and "Britain is Scorpionland." They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: > > >> > > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > > Guru Dev > > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > > concur with > > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > > move. Kind > > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > > >> > > > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole > setting > > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or > awareness of > > PR impact. > > In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law > to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its > supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I > personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the > movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It > just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's > meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not > implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji > publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use > in India. > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > > > > > it to its original significance. I don't think he > > > > > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > > > > > to his evil purposes permanently. > > > > > > > > ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes > > > > the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the > > > > responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original > > > > significance? > > > > > > I don't believe I said anything to that effect, > > > Shemp. Did you imagine I did? > > > > No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was > > so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you > > THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and > > white for all to read? > > Shemp, the way you phrased your question indicated > you *assumed* that's what I was thinking. It wasn't > a request for information. I'm just pointing out > that nothing in what I said suggested what you assumed. > > Further, it was a *rhetorical* question that implied > what you think the "right" answer should be, and that > the right answer was *not* what I was thinking. > > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > takes the lead on this... > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use in India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > Guru Dev >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > concur with >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > move. Kind >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. >> > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of PR impact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hutchinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Nazis REVERSED the original "swastika", which is a symbol > representing "life", the Nazis reversed it's direction... Nope, they didn't. Look at the photo, then look at a Nazi swastika--both are right-facing. Originally (and to this day in the East) there are both right- and left-facing swastikas, depending on the context. The Wikipedia entry on the swastika notes that some Buddhists used only the left-facing swastika after 1940 because of the Nazi connotations of the right- facing version, which may be the source of the myth that the Nazis "reversed" it. > > I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru > Dev > > picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur > with Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > > > > it to its original significance. I don't think he > > > > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > > > > to his evil purposes permanently. > > > > > > ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes > > > the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the > > > responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original > > > significance? > > > > I don't believe I said anything to that effect, > > Shemp. Did you imagine I did? > > No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was > so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you > THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and > white for all to read? Shemp, the way you phrased your question indicated you *assumed* that's what I was thinking. It wasn't a request for information. I'm just pointing out that nothing in what I said suggested what you assumed. Further, it was a *rhetorical* question that implied what you think the "right" answer should be, and that the right answer was *not* what I was thinking. > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > takes the lead on this... You asked whether I "really" thought this--and reiterated the "really." The implication was that you assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. Start over again and ask me *without* that implied assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Just joined the group and am happy to contribute this little bit. I think this fellow has already got "the lead" on this issue.. :) http://www.manwoman.net/ Cheers. > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that takes > the lead on this... > > So, let me ask you again: do you? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "There's more to a swastika, more generally a yantra, than it being a "symbol", icon or associative representation. Sadgurus come from time to time to refresh the siddha of yantras, including the swastika. It is an occult machine, not just a 'symbol', crest or trademark." The swastika very well be an "occult machine". It may also function as a designer logo for tennis wear. My analysis does not address aesthetic function, rather its cultural appropriation and use - particularly the attendant meanings gathered during its most recent bastardization. The original post simply recommends a more commonsense sensitivity to current and accepted meaning. Suggesting thereÕs "more" to a swastika only underscores the fact that multiple meanings are not only possible but inevitable. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
I thought the Nazis reversed the direction, too, but when I compared the swastika in my picture of Guru Dev to that of the Nazi's, the only difference was that the Nazi's rotated theirs 45 degrees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hutchinson" > wrote: > > > > The Nazis REVERSED the original "swastika", which is a symbol > > representing "life", the Nazis reversed it's direction... > > > > > > > > I don't think they did reverse it, Hitler thought the 3rd reich would > last forever so it was chosen as a symbol of eternity, which is how > scholars interpreted it, not realising it was actually a symbol of the > dual nature of reality. Stillness at the centre giving rise to dynamism. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 > > wrote: > > > > > > I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? > > > > Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his > > was backwards is apparently a myth: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/c6h7a > > (Wikipedia article) > > > > Not all swastica symbols face the same way, IIRC. That's right, the Theosophic one used in their emblem is left-facing. I know a close associate of Rukmini Devi, a Theosoph credited for the rivival of Indain dance - Bharat Natya, who actually met Hitler in the 30's in Berlin, when both of their cars came to a standstill, on opposite sites of the road in a traffic jam, and she showed him her Swatsika, and shouted at him: Look this one is right, yours is wrong! (I had actually seen this very Swastika she had shown him) There was obviously no reaction from Hitler. If you imagine the arms of the left-facing Swastika to be like little rockets, it would turn clockwise, obviously the auspicious direction. http://images.google.de/images?q=tbn:rLqC2LYfG1OALM:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Theosophyseal.gif But as it is, in India, it is often used both ways. I think the Jains also have it in their emblem, prbl right-facing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hutchinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Nazis REVERSED the original "swastika", which is a symbol > representing "life", the Nazis reversed it's direction... > > > I don't think they did reverse it, Hitler thought the 3rd reich would last forever so it was chosen as a symbol of eternity, which is how scholars interpreted it, not realising it was actually a symbol of the dual nature of reality. Stillness at the centre giving rise to dynamism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 > wrote: > > > > I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? > > Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his > was backwards is apparently a myth: > > http://tinyurl.com/c6h7a > (Wikipedia article) > Not all swastica symbols face the same way, IIRC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... > Same comment to you as to Rick. Learn to recognize common mystical symbols before you open your mouth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > So you're not familiar with the Hopi, Hindu, etc., symbol that the Nazis also used at one point? Where did you think Hitler got it? Do you think he made it up? It's a mystical symbol used in many different cultures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
The Nazis REVERSED the original "swastika", which is a symbol representing "life", the Nazis reversed it's direction... > I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev > picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's really the issue, isn't it? > > I have a friend in the London area who is an Amma > devotee, but not the type of western Amma devotee who > dresses in white asana clothes and refers to herself > by an Amma-given Indian spiritual name, as most of the > other hard-core devotees seem to do. Other Amma > devotees have gotten on her case and suggested to her > than she act more Indian. This is particularly ironic > because she is Indian, living her entire life in > England, but with parents who emigrated there from > India. Yup. It's basically *fashion*, not much different from those who feel their ass looks better in a pair of jeans if those jeans have the "right" designer's name on the butt. :-) Gotta have your uniform. White suits or Raja outfits for the guys, saris for the women. *That's* the way we demonstrate to the world that we're Just Folks, just like them, and understand their needs and desires. Back when I was a full-time TM teacher, including the whole period when I was a State Coordinator and worked for TM National, my personal bit of rebellion was in terms of poking fun at the "uniform" of the times for TM guys, business suits. I had to wear them, but nobody had said anything definitive about the choice of TIE one wore with the suit. As a result, I had a bunch of ties with naked women on them. They were tasteful...Art Nouveau prints, or ties based on famous paintings, not sleazy...but they were naked women nonetheless. I wore them constantly, and no one ever said anything about any of them. These days I doubt I'd be allowed in the room. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
> That's really the issue, isn't it? I have a friend in the London area who is an Amma devotee, but not the type of western Amma devotee who dresses in white asana clothes and refers to herself by an Amma-given Indian spiritual name, as most of the other hard-core devotees seem to do. Other Amma devotees have gotten on her case and suggested to her than she act more Indian. This is particularly ironic because she is Indian, living her entire life in England, but with parents who emigrated there from India. --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of > > > Nazis, right, Rick? > > > > No, it means they're all just a bunch of > westerners > > who pretend to be Indians. > > Touché. :-) > > That's really the issue, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 3/15/06 9:22 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Rick's being Rick again. > > > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, > > Rick? Oh, of course, I realize that you are neutral and > > impartial and don't mean the movement any > > harm. No, of course not. > > I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on > the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very > obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying > it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind > of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. It's just the same old, same old. "We're RIGHT, DAMNIT. This symbol is an ancient expression of 'natural law,' and if you don't like what we're doing with it, you're WRONG." It's just arrogant stupidity, and a lack of knowledge of or *caring about* the sensitivities of the general public, a public that almost no one in the upper echelons of the TMO has interfaced with in decades, much less understands. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
There's more to a swastika, more generally a yantra, than it being a "symbol", icon or associative representation. Sadgurus come from time to time to refresh the siddha of yantras, including the swastika. It is an occult machine, not just a 'symbol', crest or trademark. On 3/15/06, mrfishey2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance ofits significance as a positive spiritual symbol inmany Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures.I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think heshould be accorded the power to have appropriated itto his evil purposes permanently.A visual referent connotes a set of ideas or beliefÕs held in common by a specific group. To suggest that a symbol, in this case aswastika, has innate spiritual or original significance, positive orotherwise, is to ignore the traditional role of a signifier. A symbolsmeaning, power and function come from collective understanding and communal agreement. As a symbol, the swastikas use as a spiritual iconis no more valid than its use as a symbol of depravity and genocide.Its significance as a symbol resides in present and accepted meaning. The tan-shirted Caucasians assembled on stage have no firsthandhistorical reference for a swastika. Their allegiance comes frompresent day fervor and tribal beliefs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of > > Nazis, right, Rick? > > No, it means they're all just a bunch of westerners > who pretend to be Indians. Touché. :-) That's really the issue, isn't it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... I'm not sure about that, but if I were Mike Scozzari's attorney in Florida and wanted to submit a photo into evidence of the people who are suing Mike, I sure know which photo I'd select. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika ~~ It's Occult Significance
I'm really surprised I haven't noticed this thread till now. We're affected by the shapes of things every day, even our sense of up and down continues as we meditated, even after forgetting our bodies. Hence, the influence of vertical and horizontal are ever present, in the kamamaya kosa as well as in the subtler realms. Architecture affects our sense of presence, and squares, rectangles, right angles, circles and triangles continue to influence us throughout our day as well as demonstrate and illustrate the shapes of thoughts that pass through our minds otherwise unnoticed. The swastika shows up among aboriginal peoples on every continent, and in all of those cultures it, among other things, represents the sun too. Yantras, usually shown in two-dimensional art, are multi-dimensional machines of virtuality within which the meditator steps into and surrounds themselves with the yantra to activate subtler realms of reality, and in the case of the swastika, it is used to unwind the kundalini to ascend the spine and can unlock each chakra to loosen the knots that may hinder the kundalini's ascension. The kundalini is supposedly always wound clockwise at the base of the spine, thus witnessing the swastika spin counter-clockwise facilitates awakening it to rise up the shushumna. The notion that the Nazis "twisted" it or "turned it around" is a major boo boo. In much of contemporary Hindu culture the clockwise spinning swastika is considered good fortune, whereas the counter-clockwise is considered fortuitous, and among Hindus, the clock-wise spinning swastika is often used to identify a restaurant as vegetarian. Reasons why some things are so often lost in history, eating fish on Fridays is an example of that. In the case of this rendering of the swastikas turning left or right, it is thought that an undisturbed life of material static peace among sincere people undisturbed by calamities is why the swastika spinning clockwise may be preferred by some, whereas the counter-clockwise spin not only raises the kundalini but also hastens the relinquishment of sam'skaras and for some this may seem to facilitate calamities in their lives and for their family and community so the clockwise swastika may be preferred by some, though is not a good choice spiritually. Another reason why folks may seem to think the Nazis turned it around is through a misunderstanding of Sino-originating art. Many Buddha statues have what, from the outside, appears to be the clockwise swastika. Such perspectives are 'extroversive' appreciation of art. The purview of Sino-cultural art appreciation is from the inside, thus, to perceive the art of a Buddah statue of Sino-originations with an externally seeming clockwise swastika on his belly, chest or forehead is to be perceived from 'inside' the statue or picture, seeing the swastika from Buddah's perspective, not externally. Thus to the Buddah represented in the art and to the person perceiving the art from within, the swastika would appear to spin counter-clockwise, as it should be to hasten spiritual progress and facilitate raising the kundalini. Often, when the world is blessed with the presence of a sadguru, they will refresh both mantras and yantras with siddha, they will raise their kundalini to their third eye or above chanting specific individual mantras and/or visualizing and experiencing kinetically yantras throughout the process, thus giving, through diksa or pervasively throughout the planet and perhaps beyond, the siddha power of the mantras and yantras. After a person attains samadhi, ranging from Aninda'nanda Rasa Sama'dhi to savikalpa and nirvikalpa, geometric forms may appear in their purvue, often constantly, in the minds of those blessed. Aninda'nanda Rasa Sama'dhi often results in seeing the hexagram throughout their peripheral vision, whether eyes are open or closed, and after many of the various samadhis they will often witness pratyahara occurring geometrically, sometimes like watching a Swiss Army knife or Rube Goldberg device drawing back into itself into its smallest unit, or even a dot or point, without trying to witness such things, without projecting them. Along with its spiritual use, the swastika, particularly due to its association with "good luck" has been used in culture icons as well as being such a simple and symmetrical form in mundane art. A few people have created some swastika oriented websites, such focusing solely on the mundanity and a few dedicated to its true spiritual history and utility. Here are a small few of those: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html © Dharma Mitra Press Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you "Say It With Panache!"Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/15/06 9:22 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Rick's being Rick again. > > > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of > > course, > > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement any > > harm. No, of course not. > > I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev > picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with > Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind > of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in > > his "thousand > > > > year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America > > who > > > > have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan > > uses a > > > > type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that > > Christians > > > > have to abandon the symbol." > > > > > > > > This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement > > nor > > > > symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference > > to > > > > the swastika simply objectionable. > > > > > > Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance of > > > its significance as a positive spiritual symbol in > > > many Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures. > > > > > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > > > it to its original significance. I don't think he > > > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > > > to his evil purposes permanently. > > > > ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes the > > lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the responsibility > > to bring the swaztika to its original significance? > > I don't believe I said anything to that effect, > Shemp. Did you imagine I did? > No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and white for all to read? I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... So, let me ask you again: do you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72? > > b=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... > > > > > > > > Y'all do know the swastika is an extremely ancient symbol, > > > one with very positive connotations, right? > > > > > > > ** > > > > Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand > year > > reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who have > > used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a > type of > > cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians have > to > > abandon the symbol: > > > > http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/KKK.asp?xpicked=4&item=18 > > > > Yeah, the Movement should make that point by starting to put the > Swaztika everywhere. > > Yeah, let's show the world how stupid they are. > > Yeah, that'll show 'em. > That'll bring those Federal grants rolling in for sure! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance of its significance as a positive spiritual symbol in many Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures. I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think he should be accorded the power to have appropriated it to his evil purposes permanently. A visual referent connotes a set of ideas or beliefÕs held in common by a specific group. To suggest that a symbol, in this case a swastika, has innate spiritual or original significance, positive or otherwise, is to ignore the traditional role of a signifier. A symbols meaning, power and function come from collective understanding and communal agreement. As a symbol, the swastikas use as a spiritual icon is no more valid than its use as a symbol of depravity and genocide. Its significance as a symbol resides in present and accepted meaning. The tan-shirted Caucasians assembled on stage have no firsthand historical reference for a swastika. Their allegiance comes from present day fervor and tribal beliefs. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/15/06 9:22 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick's being Rick again. > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of > course, > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement any > harm. No, of course not. I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante > wrote: > > > > > > "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in > his "thousand > > > year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America > who > > > have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan > uses a > > > type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that > Christians > > > have to abandon the symbol." > > > > > > This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement > nor > > > symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference > to > > > the swastika simply objectionable. > > > > Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance of > > its significance as a positive spiritual symbol in > > many Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures. > > > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > > it to its original significance. I don't think he > > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > > to his evil purposes permanently. > > ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes the > lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the responsibility > to bring the swaztika to its original significance? I don't believe I said anything to that effect, Shemp. Did you imagine I did? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
> I guess that means they're all just a bunch of > Nazis, right, Rick? No, it means they're all just a bunch of westerners who pretend to be Indians. --- feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick's being Rick again. > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of > Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of course, > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and > don't mean the movement any > harm. No, of course not. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm surprised Rick forgot to point out that there is a swastika on the picture of > Guru Dev that we all used to use when we performed pujas. And he also didn't point out that the sky is blue...both facts, of course, so obvious to virtually everyone on this forum that he didn't feel it necessary to point out either of those facts for fear of insulting your's and everyone else's intelligence. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Rick's being Rick again. > > > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of > course, > > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement > any > > harm. No, of course not. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick's being Rick again. > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of course, > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement any > harm. No, of course not. I think it was quite appropriate for Rick to point it out. The TMO couldn't sink any lower in the PR game. No one's accusing the TMO of being Nazis (rumors regarding MMY's praise of Adolf to German Purushniks to the contrary). But I think the obvious idiocy of the TMO taking on using the symbol IS significant. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand > > year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who > > have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a > > type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians > > have to abandon the symbol." > > > > This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement nor > > symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference to > > the swastika simply objectionable. > > Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance of > its significance as a positive spiritual symbol in > many Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures. > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > it to its original significance. I don't think he > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > to his evil purposes permanently. ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original significance? > > > > > > Pageantry, as second rate as this may > > be, is a conscious social construct. Chief among its symbolic > > functions is the inculcation of power. The Christian cross, burning > or > > otherwise, only underscores the self-evident; power in all forms > > should be questioned. The posters jingoist myopia comes as no > > surprise. > > > > The recently crowned however should know better. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72? > b=1 > > > > > > > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... > > > > > Y'all do know the swastika is an extremely ancient symbol, > > one with very positive connotations, right? > > > > ** > > Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand year > reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who have > used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a type of > cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians have to > abandon the symbol: > > http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/KKK.asp?xpicked=4&item=18 > Yeah, the Movement should make that point by starting to put the Swaztika everywhere. Yeah, let's show the world how stupid they are. Yeah, that'll show 'em. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72? b=1 > > > > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... > > Y'all do know the swastika is an extremely ancient symbol, > one with very positive connotations, right? > Yes, anyone who has taken any semblance of a TM program -- teacher training, whatever -- should be familiar with that fact as it appears in the "official" Guru Dev picture sanctioned for use with the puja. Nevertheless, the movement should know that the public doesn't know that and should be sensitive enough NOT to use it other than with the Guru Dev photo. As I've pointed out before on either this forum or amt, prior to WWII, all state highway signs in Arizona had the swaztika on it as it is an ancient symbol of either the Navajo or the Hopi (can't remember which ) who also, by the way, have an eastern-facing entrance for all their buildings as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
I'm surprised Rick forgot to point out that there is a swastika on the picture of Guru Dev that we all used to use when we performed pujas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick's being Rick again. > > I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of course, > I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement any > harm. No, of course not. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Rick's being Rick again. I guess that means they're all just a bunch of Nazis, right, Rick? Oh, of course, I realize that you are neutral and impartial and don't mean the movement any harm. No, of course not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand > year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who > have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a > type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians > have to abandon the symbol." > > This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement nor > symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference to > the swastika simply objectionable. Mostly in the West, and mostly out of ignorance of its significance as a positive spiritual symbol in many Eastern (as well as Native American) cultures. I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think he should be accorded the power to have appropriated it to his evil purposes permanently. Pageantry, as second rate as this may > be, is a conscious social construct. Chief among its symbolic > functions is the inculcation of power. The Christian cross, burning or > otherwise, only underscores the self-evident; power in all forms > should be questioned. The posters jingoist myopia comes as no > surprise. > > The recently crowned however should know better. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his was backwards is apparently a myth: http://tinyurl.com/c6h7a (Wikipedia article) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand > year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who > have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a > type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians > have to abandon the symbol." > > > > This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement nor > symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference to the > swastika simply objectionable. Pageantry, as second rate as this may > be, is a conscious social construct. Chief among its symbolic > functions is the inculcation of power. The Christian cross, burning or > otherwise, only underscores the self-evident; power in all forms > should be questioned. The posters jingoist myopia comes as no > surprise. > > The recently crowned however should know better. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians have to abandon the symbol." This doesnÕt excuse anyone from ignoring its recent defacement nor symbolic power. Many in the civilized world find any reference to the swastika simply objectionable. Pageantry, as second rate as this may be, is a conscious social construct. Chief among its symbolic functions is the inculcation of power. The Christian cross, burning or otherwise, only underscores the self-evident; power in all forms should be questioned. The posters jingoist myopia comes as no surprise. The recently crowned however should know better. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72? b=1 > > > > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... > > Y'all do know the swastika is an extremely ancient symbol, > one with very positive connotations, right? > ** Just because some idiot used it for twelve years in his "thousand year reich" doesn't mean that the cultures of Asia and America who have used it for years have to discard this symbol. The Klan uses a type of cross in its symbol, but this does not mean that Christians have to abandon the symbol: http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/KKK.asp?xpicked=4&item=18 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > > > > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... Y'all do know the swastika is an extremely ancient symbol, one with very positive connotations, right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 > ...fits right in with the ol' "damn the democracy" quote... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
