[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer > > wrote: > > [...] > SNIP > > > > > > That's kinda inevitable given what reincarnation implies. I recall a > > rabbi who got in trouble for sayign the same thing about the victims > > of the Holocaust. > > > > Oh my. It's a wonder he wasn't burned at the stake. A big pc no no. > Look what happened to Watson, the discoverer of DNA. It's a wonder he > wasn't stripped of his Nobel Prize. > > SNIP > > > > And interesting belief. why do you have a problem with MMY's beliefs? > > > > > > My problem with Maharishi's statement about pundit genetics is that > for someone who had a science degree, he certainly played fast and > loose with science constructs. We've finding that there is very > little difference, genetically, between a human being and a chicken. > A couple genes between a chicken and a dinosaur. So to say that > pundits have special genetics that enable them to chant the way they > do is really pushing it. Everybody wants to say that this or that is > in their genes. And we're finding it ain't so. Like for example the > big fat wave that's gone on around the world is not a result of fat > genes per say but the result of the environment our grandparents' > genes experienced: the epigenetics. What's wrong with just saying > that this has been in the family for generations? You learn best > growing up in the environment. > > Maharishi's statements about being born into your dharma/karma? Well, > carried to the logical conclusion there's no more we can do in the > world. The poor will always be with us, birth defects are tough luck. > I had a MD friend who tried to convince me that her chart said she'd > always poor. I was convinced that she grew up in a redneck family and > carried their redneck ways into the world. So I guess I don't have a > problem with Maharishi's statements, but I do have a problem when > carried to the point of fatalism. > > >> Is it racist to say > >> that the black community needs to be approached a certain way to be > >> enticed into starting TM? > > > > Er, aside from the $20 million that the NIH has given to MUM to do research > > on the effects of TM on blacks' BP? > > > > might as well ask why so few American Indians do TM. > > > > Actually, there were quite a few campaigns during the Merv wave to > bring TM to the black communities. Just didn't work out. > > As far as Native Americans (let's not count Alaskans, for the time > being), well have you ever been to a reservation? I've been to many. > There are some which are doing quite well. A few of them train the > iron workers. Without these Native Americans we wouldn't have the > American skylines or many of our amazing bridges. The rest of them > have dreadful amounts of poverty, alcoholism, drug abuse, glue > sniffing (the Four Corners of the US actually outlawed the sale of > even things like hairspray to Native Americans about 15 years ago) and > crime. It's really a shame to see it or read the accounts in the > papers if you live within, say, 100 miles or less of a major > reservation area. There are some pretty demoralizing stories in the > Denver Post, for example. > > > > > The answer to both: THey weren't targeted in the marketing until recently. > > > > > > OK, let's target both and see what happens, It would be nice if we > could get Northern Americans to start TM and not just Central > Americans. > I missed the meeting but the TM Center in Tucson held a pot luck dinner a couple of weeks ago with guests (new tmers) from an American Indian tribe who were learning TM under the auspices of the David Lynch FOundation and they discussed upcoming research on TM and diabetics, a big problem in certain tribes... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer > wrote: > [...] SNIP > > > That's kinda inevitable given what reincarnation implies. I recall a > rabbi who got in trouble for sayign the same thing about the victims > of the Holocaust. > Oh my. It's a wonder he wasn't burned at the stake. A big pc no no. Look what happened to Watson, the discoverer of DNA. It's a wonder he wasn't stripped of his Nobel Prize. SNIP > > And interesting belief. why do you have a problem with MMY's beliefs? > > My problem with Maharishi's statement about pundit genetics is that for someone who had a science degree, he certainly played fast and loose with science constructs. We've finding that there is very little difference, genetically, between a human being and a chicken. A couple genes between a chicken and a dinosaur. So to say that pundits have special genetics that enable them to chant the way they do is really pushing it. Everybody wants to say that this or that is in their genes. And we're finding it ain't so. Like for example the big fat wave that's gone on around the world is not a result of fat genes per say but the result of the environment our grandparents' genes experienced: the epigenetics. What's wrong with just saying that this has been in the family for generations? You learn best growing up in the environment. Maharishi's statements about being born into your dharma/karma? Well, carried to the logical conclusion there's no more we can do in the world. The poor will always be with us, birth defects are tough luck. I had a MD friend who tried to convince me that her chart said she'd always poor. I was convinced that she grew up in a redneck family and carried their redneck ways into the world. So I guess I don't have a problem with Maharishi's statements, but I do have a problem when carried to the point of fatalism. >> Is it racist to say >> that the black community needs to be approached a certain way to be >> enticed into starting TM? > > Er, aside from the $20 million that the NIH has given to MUM to do research > on the effects of TM on blacks' BP? > > might as well ask why so few American Indians do TM. > Actually, there were quite a few campaigns during the Merv wave to bring TM to the black communities. Just didn't work out. As far as Native Americans (let's not count Alaskans, for the time being), well have you ever been to a reservation? I've been to many. There are some which are doing quite well. A few of them train the iron workers. Without these Native Americans we wouldn't have the American skylines or many of our amazing bridges. The rest of them have dreadful amounts of poverty, alcoholism, drug abuse, glue sniffing (the Four Corners of the US actually outlawed the sale of even things like hairspray to Native Americans about 15 years ago) and crime. It's really a shame to see it or read the accounts in the papers if you live within, say, 100 miles or less of a major reservation area. There are some pretty demoralizing stories in the Denver Post, for example. > > The answer to both: THey weren't targeted in the marketing until recently. > > OK, let's target both and see what happens, It would be nice if we could get Northern Americans to start TM and not just Central Americans. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer wrote: [...] > Am I kidding you about what Maharishi said? Absolutely not. He went > through about 6 tapes that I remember (and I saw them enough to be > able to recite them, still) that there are no accidents and there are > no innocent victims, that people are born to fulfill their dharma and > karma. I'm not kidding you one bit. That's kinda inevitable given what reincarnation implies. I recall a rabbi who got in trouble for sayign the same thing about the victims of the Holocaust. There are an amazing number of > people in the TMO who will tell you with total faith that there is > something special in the DNA of the pundits which allow them to do > their special thing with vibrations and creation. The TMO was taking > great pains to assemble brahmin boys from each of the families from > around India and pointed that out numerous times. Maharishi felt that > each family represented something unique and all of them should be > represented in the groups of pundits. And interesting belief. why do you have a problem with MMY's beliefs? > > About the blacks? I am not kidding you. I could easily rattle off the > names of the initiators and later governors who spoke about blacks > that way. It was often the topic of lunch or dinner conversation on > residence courses. The question would arise "where are the blacks?" > or "why aren't there any blacks involved in TM?". It's a very > righteous question to ask but people like Peter immediately want to > turn that question into a racist one. It's a relevant question even > to this day. Why, except for the foreign students on campus at MUM > are their very few blacks in TM in the US? Why are there just a > couple in the domes? Valid question. A question that was answered by > a number of initiators and governors the way I've already stated. Was > the response racist? Yes, of course. But the question goes > unanswered. I'll ask it right now. If TM is so good, then why did > campaigns in the black community fail? Where the blacks not > interested or were they not approached properly? Is it racist to say > that the black community needs to be approached a certain way to be > enticed into starting TM? Er, aside from the $20 million that the NIH has given to MUM to do research on the effects of TM on blacks' BP? might as well ask why so few American Indians do TM. The answer to both: THey weren't targeted in the marketing until recently. > > Now do I agree with Maharishi? I don't think we should have a caste > system or say that women are born to full this purpose, men are > fulfilled to fulfill that purpose. The next logical thing is that > this man was born blind, this woman was born lame and we do nothing > about it because, well, it's their karma/dharma. It gets to be > fatalistic. OTOH Maharishi's explanation as to why a whole planeful > of people crash together does make sense. Do I think that the > particular DNA of the pundits matters? No, I don't. But maybe when I > get to Maharishi's level I'll perceive that it matters clearly. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:21 AM, John wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer > wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John wrote: >> >> > >> > The present caste system is an abomination of the varna system. > The >> > caste system is a justification for discrimination. On the other >> > hane, the varna system recognizes the natural talent of the > people to >> > contribute work for the betterment and prosperity of society. >> >> >> Thanks for placing your comments in the middle of 4-5 other people's >> replies, so trying to figure out where to snip was a major chore. >> >> You just aren't getting Maharishi's contention that the workings of >> the Universe are just. Maharishi has explained to us how a > planeload >> full of people going down in a crash are meant to be on the plane > and >> there are no accidents, there are no innocent victims. >> >> There's also no discrimination, if we look at the world that way. > Not >> between genders, people of different sexual orientations, tall, > short, >> fair skinned, dark skinned. You're born into the right family. > After >> all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have something >> special in their DNA which makes it possible for them alone to > enliven >> the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in the early days >> about blacks and their very limited participation in learning and >> staying with TM as an indication that they are the sons of Cain. I >> heard this talk from much too many initiators to not believe that >> Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a course. What's >> interesting is that the initiators didn't think this belief odd at >> all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described by Maharishi. >> > > Are you kidding me? (a la Jim Mora of beer commercial fame) OK. > It's a practical joke. > Am I kidding you about what Maharishi said? Absolutely not. He went through about 6 tapes that I remember (and I saw them enough to be able to recite them, still) that there are no accidents and there are no innocent victims, that people are born to fulfill their dharma and karma. I'm not kidding you one bit. There are an amazing number of people in the TMO who will tell you with total faith that there is something special in the DNA of the pundits which allow them to do their special thing with vibrations and creation. The TMO was taking great pains to assemble brahmin boys from each of the families from around India and pointed that out numerous times. Maharishi felt that each family represented something unique and all of them should be represented in the groups of pundits. About the blacks? I am not kidding you. I could easily rattle off the names of the initiators and later governors who spoke about blacks that way. It was often the topic of lunch or dinner conversation on residence courses. The question would arise "where are the blacks?" or "why aren't there any blacks involved in TM?". It's a very righteous question to ask but people like Peter immediately want to turn that question into a racist one. It's a relevant question even to this day. Why, except for the foreign students on campus at MUM are their very few blacks in TM in the US? Why are there just a couple in the domes? Valid question. A question that was answered by a number of initiators and governors the way I've already stated. Was the response racist? Yes, of course. But the question goes unanswered. I'll ask it right now. If TM is so good, then why did campaigns in the black community fail? Where the blacks not interested or were they not approached properly? Is it racist to say that the black community needs to be approached a certain way to be enticed into starting TM? Now do I agree with Maharishi? I don't think we should have a caste system or say that women are born to full this purpose, men are fulfilled to fulfill that purpose. The next logical thing is that this man was born blind, this woman was born lame and we do nothing about it because, well, it's their karma/dharma. It gets to be fatalistic. OTOH Maharishi's explanation as to why a whole planeful of people crash together does make sense. Do I think that the particular DNA of the pundits matters? No, I don't. But maybe when I get to Maharishi's level I'll perceive that it matters clearly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John wrote: > > > > > The present caste system is an abomination of the varna system. The > > caste system is a justification for discrimination. On the other > > hane, the varna system recognizes the natural talent of the people to > > contribute work for the betterment and prosperity of society. > > > Thanks for placing your comments in the middle of 4-5 other people's > replies, so trying to figure out where to snip was a major chore. > > You just aren't getting Maharishi's contention that the workings of > the Universe are just. Maharishi has explained to us how a planeload > full of people going down in a crash are meant to be on the plane and > there are no accidents, there are no innocent victims. > > There's also no discrimination, if we look at the world that way. Not > between genders, people of different sexual orientations, tall, short, > fair skinned, dark skinned. You're born into the right family. After > all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have something > special in their DNA which makes it possible for them alone to enliven > the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in the early days > about blacks and their very limited participation in learning and > staying with TM as an indication that they are the sons of Cain. I > heard this talk from much too many initiators to not believe that > Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a course. What's > interesting is that the initiators didn't think this belief odd at > all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described by Maharishi. > Are you kidding me? (a la Jim Mora of beer commercial fame) OK. It's a practical joke.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
Kirk, you just be a nigga lover, boy! You gotta stay away from dem mud peole. Stick to ya own, boy. Keep da races pure for the Fatherland! On another note you just have to love this shit: > I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in > the early days > > about blacks and their very limited participation in > learning and > > staying with TM as an indication that they are the > sons of Cain. Hey Tom, I'm a teacher from the early days, and you're right, we used to stay-up past ten every night at the centers making list of all the inferior races and faxing it to Seelisberg. --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Kirk wrote: > From: Kirk > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World > Peace---"Cast System" > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:25 PM > Here's some of the usual Tom Pall bigotry. I should have > known it was you. > > - Original Message - > From: "Fairfield Lifer" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global > Country of World > Peace---"Cast System" > > > , dark skinned. You're born into the right family. > After > > all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have > something > > special in their DNA which makes it possible for them > alone to enliven > > the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in > the early days > > about blacks and their very limited participation in > learning and > > staying with TM as an indication that they are the > sons of Cain. I > > heard this talk from much too many initiators to not > believe that > > Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a > course. What's > > interesting is that the initiators didn't think > this belief odd at > > all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described > by Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
it depends on the perspective you are viewing stuff from. i remember once going through some tough times (layoff, etc.), and no doubt it felt awful, and yet through the whole experience from a standpoint of eternal dharma, i knew i was getting/learning/experiencing just what the atman wanted to learn, or more accurately, bring out into the world. nonetheless, it still sucked as a personal experience, so i wasn't moodmaking about it, but there was this unmistakable sense that everything was working out just as it was meant to. it isn't something that i would ever try to bring up unless you hadn't touched on it first, because it is so common to confuse personal experience with eternal dharma, and to see the latter as BS justification. this vibratory world is a dense medium for learning-- really optimal, but it means that when stuff goes wrong, it hurts, no question. and yet, with direct experience of the atman, with its intelligence and experiential comprehension, there are no mistakes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John wrote: > > > > > The present caste system is an abomination of the varna system. The > > caste system is a justification for discrimination. On the other > > hane, the varna system recognizes the natural talent of the people to > > contribute work for the betterment and prosperity of society. > > > Thanks for placing your comments in the middle of 4-5 other people's > replies, so trying to figure out where to snip was a major chore. > > You just aren't getting Maharishi's contention that the workings of > the Universe are just. Maharishi has explained to us how a planeload > full of people going down in a crash are meant to be on the plane and > there are no accidents, there are no innocent victims. > > There's also no discrimination, if we look at the world that way. Not > between genders, people of different sexual orientations, tall, short, > fair skinned, dark skinned. You're born into the right family. After > all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have something > special in their DNA which makes it possible for them alone to enliven > the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in the early days > about blacks and their very limited participation in learning and > staying with TM as an indication that they are the sons of Cain. I > heard this talk from much too many initiators to not believe that > Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a course. What's > interesting is that the initiators didn't think this belief odd at > all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described by Maharishi. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
Here's some of the usual Tom Pall bigotry. I should have known it was you. - Original Message - From: "Fairfield Lifer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System" , dark skinned. You're born into the right family. After > all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have something > special in their DNA which makes it possible for them alone to enliven > the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in the early days > about blacks and their very limited participation in learning and > staying with TM as an indication that they are the sons of Cain. I > heard this talk from much too many initiators to not believe that > Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a course. What's > interesting is that the initiators didn't think this belief odd at > all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described by Maharishi. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John wrote: > > The present caste system is an abomination of the varna system. The > caste system is a justification for discrimination. On the other > hane, the varna system recognizes the natural talent of the people to > contribute work for the betterment and prosperity of society. Thanks for placing your comments in the middle of 4-5 other people's replies, so trying to figure out where to snip was a major chore. You just aren't getting Maharishi's contention that the workings of the Universe are just. Maharishi has explained to us how a planeload full of people going down in a crash are meant to be on the plane and there are no accidents, there are no innocent victims. There's also no discrimination, if we look at the world that way. Not between genders, people of different sexual orientations, tall, short, fair skinned, dark skinned. You're born into the right family. After all, Maharishi asserted that the Brahmin pundits have something special in their DNA which makes it possible for them alone to enliven the Vedas. I heard enough rumors from TM teachers in the early days about blacks and their very limited participation in learning and staying with TM as an indication that they are the sons of Cain. I heard this talk from much too many initiators to not believe that Maharishi had mentioned this sort of thing on a course. What's interesting is that the initiators didn't think this belief odd at all. It was all part of the cosmic plan as described by Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "menkemeyer" wrote: > > In regards to the "system" spoken of and which Maharishi > supported totaly, and is mentioned below, the King and the > > the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and > sudra. > > Now this system which has been outlawed in India for good > reason, the foutfold system of labor, the cast system has been > cruely used by the upper casts to vertualy inslave millions and > millions of people. Having lived in India just catching a bit of the > old India in the 70's and reciently the new India, i found the cast > system still in place ( though strides have been made ) having been > ingrained in the people by the Rajas and Kings, but much more to the > point is it works out quite handly when you want if not slaves, then > indentured servents. Sudras are only allowed the dirtest of jobs and > told they are so polluted that even there presents will pollute the > area. This was clear to me when i saw the dogs of Delhi attacking the > garbage men who clean the streets at night and nobody would come to > there aid. When I ask why nobody helped them when there were being > attacked, i was told they were untouchables as if i were an idiot. > that means they were not worthy of help. This attatude is why > Christianity is growing in India, the sudras belive they are in fact > unworthy for the large part and when someone tells them they are > also "the children of God" I can't blame them for changing casts, to > becoming christians. Maharish was much against prostilizing as i was > myself untill recently when the reality of the cast system with all > it's gross perversions became real. So this so called fourfold > division of labor is abhorent and He who supports it is ignorent of > the Nature of God, of the absolute which declares we are all One. > > Thats my two cents worth. > Chris The present caste system is an abomination of the varna system. The caste system is a justification for discrimination. On the other hane, the varna system recognizes the natural talent of the people to contribute work for the betterment and prosperity of society. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" > wrote: > > > > Yes Vaj, it is Vaishnava of the Lakshmi school, and TM is based in > the Lakshmi Tantra, which so few TM initiators know. Which is odd. > Mahalakshmi is the Matron Deity of TM. > > - Original Message - > > From: Vaj > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global > Country of World Peace > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:33 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > > > > > The Global Country is part of MMY's plan to recreate the > reign of > > > > Ramachandra who lived eons of years ago, even before the > coming of > > > > Krishna. At that time, the empire of Ramachandra was ideal > in that the > > > > world was supposedly graced by the incarnations of the divine > > > > personality in the form of Ramachandra himself and his three > other > > > > brothers. Thus, the functioning of society promoted peace > and > > > > prosperity for the people, mainly due to following the varna > system, or > > > > the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, > and sudra. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, MMY has appointed Nader Ram as the world leader > and is to be > > > > supported by the various rajas who are in charge of the 108 > sectors of > > > > the world. > > > > > > > > > > Why is this posted here, and why has it been posted now? > > > > > > > > > > Everyone outside the inner circle thinks it's total bullshit. > They > > > > either say it openly or think it privately. > > > > > > > > > > There can't be more than 100 people who think the raja thing is > a > > > > bright idea. Could it be that the inner circle are getting > worried > > > > that no one is taking them seriously and suddenly feel the need > to > > > > keep banging on about how important they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting in a way, as it somewhat authoritatively > establishes the TM org as Vaishnavite, by their own admission. Which > isn't to say that this wasn't obvious before, but it's interesting > for them to begin to come out and admit the actual nature of the TM > cultus. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
the caste system is simply an ideal organization to uphold eternal dharma. it was never meant to be enforced and perverted as a means of enslavement and domination in the way that it is today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "menkemeyer" wrote: > > In regards to the "system" spoken of and which Maharishi > supported totaly, and is mentioned below, the King and the > > the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and > sudra. > > Now this system which has been outlawed in India for good > reason, the foutfold system of labor, the cast system has been > cruely used by the upper casts to vertualy inslave millions and > millions of people. Having lived in India just catching a bit of the > old India in the 70's and reciently the new India, i found the cast > system still in place ( though strides have been made ) having been > ingrained in the people by the Rajas and Kings, but much more to the > point is it works out quite handly when you want if not slaves, then > indentured servents. Sudras are only allowed the dirtest of jobs and > told they are so polluted that even there presents will pollute the > area. This was clear to me when i saw the dogs of Delhi attacking the > garbage men who clean the streets at night and nobody would come to > there aid. When I ask why nobody helped them when there were being > attacked, i was told they were untouchables as if i were an idiot. > that means they were not worthy of help. This attatude is why > Christianity is growing in India, the sudras belive they are in fact > unworthy for the large part and when someone tells them they are > also "the children of God" I can't blame them for changing casts, to > becoming christians. Maharish was much against prostilizing as i was > myself untill recently when the reality of the cast system with all > it's gross perversions became real. So this so called fourfold > division of labor is abhorent and He who supports it is ignorent of > the Nature of God, of the absolute which declares we are all One. > > Thats my two cents worth. > Chris > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" > wrote: > > > > Yes Vaj, it is Vaishnava of the Lakshmi school, and TM is based in > the Lakshmi Tantra, which so few TM initiators know. Which is odd. > Mahalakshmi is the Matron Deity of TM. > > - Original Message - > > From: Vaj > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global > Country of World Peace > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:33 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > > > > > The Global Country is part of MMY's plan to recreate the > reign of > > > > Ramachandra who lived eons of years ago, even before the > coming of > > > > Krishna. At that time, the empire of Ramachandra was ideal > in that the > > > > world was supposedly graced by the incarnations of the divine > > > > personality in the form of Ramachandra himself and his three > other > > > > brothers. Thus, the functioning of society promoted peace > and > > > > prosperity for the people, mainly due to following the varna > system, or > > > > the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, > and sudra. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, MMY has appointed Nader Ram as the world leader > and is to be > > > > supported by the various rajas who are in charge of the 108 > sectors of > > > > the world. > > > > > > > > > > Why is this posted here, and why has it been posted now? > > > > > > > > > > Everyone outside the inner circle thinks it's total bullshit. > They > > > > either say it openly or think it privately. > > > > > > > > > > There can't be more than 100 people who think the raja thing is > a > > > > bright idea. Could it be that the inner circle are getting > worried > > > > that no one is taking them seriously and suddenly feel the need > to > > > > keep banging on about how important they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting in a way, as it somewhat authoritatively > establishes the TM org as Vaishnavite, by their own admission. Which > isn't to say that this wasn't obvious before, but it's interesting > for them to begin to come out and admit the actual nature of the TM > cultus. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance Global Country of World Peace---"Cast System"
In regards to the "system" spoken of and which Maharishi supported totaly, and is mentioned below, the King and the the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudra. Now this system which has been outlawed in India for good reason, the foutfold system of labor, the cast system has been cruely used by the upper casts to vertualy inslave millions and millions of people. Having lived in India just catching a bit of the old India in the 70's and reciently the new India, i found the cast system still in place ( though strides have been made ) having been ingrained in the people by the Rajas and Kings, but much more to the point is it works out quite handly when you want if not slaves, then indentured servents. Sudras are only allowed the dirtest of jobs and told they are so polluted that even there presents will pollute the area. This was clear to me when i saw the dogs of Delhi attacking the garbage men who clean the streets at night and nobody would come to there aid. When I ask why nobody helped them when there were being attacked, i was told they were untouchables as if i were an idiot. that means they were not worthy of help. This attatude is why Christianity is growing in India, the sudras belive they are in fact unworthy for the large part and when someone tells them they are also "the children of God" I can't blame them for changing casts, to becoming christians. Maharish was much against prostilizing as i was myself untill recently when the reality of the cast system with all it's gross perversions became real. So this so called fourfold division of labor is abhorent and He who supports it is ignorent of the Nature of God, of the absolute which declares we are all One. Thats my two cents worth. Chris --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Yes Vaj, it is Vaishnava of the Lakshmi school, and TM is based in the Lakshmi Tantra, which so few TM initiators know. Which is odd. Mahalakshmi is the Matron Deity of TM. > - Original Message - > From: Vaj > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:56 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace > > > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:33 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > To All: > > > > > The Global Country is part of MMY's plan to recreate the reign of > > Ramachandra who lived eons of years ago, even before the coming of > > Krishna. At that time, the empire of Ramachandra was ideal in that the > > world was supposedly graced by the incarnations of the divine > > personality in the form of Ramachandra himself and his three other > > brothers. Thus, the functioning of society promoted peace and > > prosperity for the people, mainly due to following the varna system, or > > the fourfold division of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudra. > > > > > Similarly, MMY has appointed Nader Ram as the world leader and is to be > > supported by the various rajas who are in charge of the 108 sectors of > > the world. > > > > > Why is this posted here, and why has it been posted now? > > > > > Everyone outside the inner circle thinks it's total bullshit. They > > either say it openly or think it privately. > > > > > There can't be more than 100 people who think the raja thing is a > > bright idea. Could it be that the inner circle are getting worried > > that no one is taking them seriously and suddenly feel the need to > > keep banging on about how important they are? > > > > > > It is interesting in a way, as it somewhat authoritatively establishes the TM org as Vaishnavite, by their own admission. Which isn't to say that this wasn't obvious before, but it's interesting for them to begin to come out and admit the actual nature of the TM cultus. >
