[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal Why the world is watching Nepal? Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking more note of the events there? I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures in his country and return it to rule by kings who were (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic rabble. Essentially, he put Maharishi's ideal government to the test. AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years later, in the world News we see the results of having taken that stance. People who like Maharishi's theory of government by the enlightened can probably look at this situation in Nepal and shrug and say, Well...it's not as if the king were really enlightened, right? Well, he might not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world might not be as well. Me, I think the problem is not with the particular implementation of the the enlightened should rule idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's just a Bad Idea. By Paul Reynolds World Affairs correspondent, BBC News website While it would be an exaggeration to say that Nepal occupies a strategic position in the world - isolated as it is in the Himalayas - its future is being watched closely. Partly this is for sentimental reasons. The kingdom used to be the destination of choice for thousands of Western hippies who thought of it as a mountain Shangri-la. The one-time guru of the Beatles, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, had connections in Nepal and once broadcast his vision of saving the world by Transcendental Meditation on Nepali television. So there is a great interest in the West to see how that quiet and peaceful place (perhaps not so quiet underneath) has developed into the scene of civil war, repression, riot and uprising. It is the government of India that is the most concerned. India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels The Yogi's message does not seem to have worked. But then the 1960s and their message of flower power are a long time ago. The world has moved on in more violent ways, and Nepal is a part of that movement. Then there is the Everest trek that keeps Nepal in a wider public eye. Currently teams of climbers are preparing for their attempts on the summit during the calm period between now and the end of May. They have largely escaped the recent troubles, although two climbers were injured last November when Maoist rebels attacked their vehicle on its way to base camp. And there is the added factor in Britain because Nepal is home to the Gurkha fighters who serve in the British army. Indian fears But beyond these attachments to Nepal are more serious considerations. The main one is whether the end of monarchical power as exercised by King Gyanendra develops into democratic politics of some kind, or whether the Maoist rebellion spreads from the countryside to the cities and takes control. It is the government of India that is the most concerned. India itself has considerable problems with Maoist rebels. Rebels are active in several states - Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand. Maharashtra and Bihar. Some of the these places are a long way from the modern image of India as the growing regional and world power, whose development is spurred by high technology. The rebellions are fuelled by issues of land and poverty and India does not want the example of a Maoist Nepal to encourage further protest. India sent an envoy to talk to King Gyanendra, but its intervention has been criticised by the Indian opposition BJP party as too little and too late. The BJP president Dr Rajnath Singh said that India should exert pressure to ensure that Maoists are not given positions of influence in Nepal. He wants a renewed effort to crush the Maoist rebellion. India fears that there are links between Maoists in Nepal and their fellow fighters in India. Stark divide Perhaps for too long, the world averted its eyes from the reality of Nepal, distracted by its Shangri-La image. It should have been seen as somewhere that could show how modern ideas of democracy and development - as opposed to the communal policies urged by the Maoists - could work. But Nepal did not manage to address the problems presented by its 28 million people, many of them clinging to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal Why the world is watching Nepal? Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking more note of the events there? I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures in his country and return it to rule by kings who were (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic rabble. Essentially, he put Maharishi's ideal government to the test. AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years later, in the world News we see the results of having taken that stance. People who like Maharishi's theory of government by the enlightened can probably look at this situation in Nepal and shrug and say, Well...it's not as if the king were really enlightened, right? Well, he might not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world might not be as well. Me, I think the problem is not with the particular implementation of the the enlightened should rule idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's just a Bad Idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest george.deforest@ wrote: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Why the world is watching Nepal Why the world is watching Nepal? Why indeed? And why is talk in TMO circles not taking more note of the events there? I mean, it's really a pretty interesting scene, as far as I can tell. A king -- who in my opinion probably had nothing but the highest motives in the world for doing so -- chose to dissolve the democratic political structures in his country and return it to rule by kings who were (theoretically) better able to rule than the democratic rabble. Essentially, he put Maharishi's ideal government to the test. AFAIK the king never made any declaration of his own enlightenment, or even any extended dissertation on his divine right to rule. He was very Nike about the whole thing -- he Just Did It. And now, only a few short years later, in the world News we see the results of having taken that stance. People who like Maharishi's theory of government by the enlightened can probably look at this situation in Nepal and shrug and say, Well...it's not as if the king were really enlightened, right? Well, he might not be. But then, those in the TM movement who think that *they* are enlightened enough to rule the world might not be as well. Me, I think the problem is not with the particular implementation of the the enlightened should rule idea, but with the idea itself. I believe the idea is fatally flawed, and would never work even if it *were* implemented by fully enlightened beings. It's just a Bad Idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry, insinuating what TMers would have to say in his mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry, insinuating what TMers would have to say in his mind. Exactly what I suspected, if so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
What you are saying is fucking Nonsense. Why do you have such extreme Prejudices.? The Maoist rebels are bloody rogues, who want a easy life, without doing much work. The economy of Nepal itself will be destroyed if these terrorists come to power and it will harm India's interests also. India also has Maoist rebellions in several states expecially in North-east. What do you mean, "Nepal stopped TM.?" Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:22:56 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened? The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destructionof their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jason Spock wrote: What do you mean, "Nepal stopped TM.?"Massive TM initiations.At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Perhaps there are two types. One is Pseudo-scientific proselytizing and the other is creating awareness about Genuine Science.?? Many Scientists feel that public should be made aware of Pure Science. It's good for the science in the long run. The fucking Creationists morons use Pseudo-science to prop up their agenda. That is as destructive as religious proselytizing. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:21:16 -0400Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?Massive TM initiations.At a certain point you realize that scientificproselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots?Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO istalking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more.Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few days. I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few days. I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the movement. I remember him flying off in late 1972 to the coronation of the King of Nepal (last hindu raja at the time) whom he initiated -- (and a lot of the court I believe). Do you know how this 74 mass initiations tied in to his 72 visit? Did the king invite him in 74 to do it? Did the king publicly endorse tm at the time? At about the same time, maybe fall of 74, the leading paper in Manila was running five straight-days of large front page articles on TM. Asia was quite lively in this period. And in late 74, M. inagurated the air-conditioner project for China -- to set up large scale initiations and TTCs in Phillipines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. to cool off China -- to prevent a new revolution in China. (Which clearly worked as predicted. :) ) MMY said that for the younger generations China to go through a third major revolution is so few years would make them irreparably harsh and rigid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 8:50:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Sort of like the US. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Possibly. Or not. Of course, its up to YOU to explain how a technique that does seem to relax most people and have other documentable beneficial effects on many could have had such a delitorious effect on an entire country... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jason Spock wrote: What do you mean, Nepal stopped TM.? Massive TM initiations. At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. Puhlease, everyone, we have proof that our smallpox vaccination works. Of course, if you want to NOT use it, or prevent your kids from using it, Society has no say in leaving potential disease vectors running around, so feel free to not use it. There will be no consequences, either Societal OR practical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. That would be '75, actually... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. Well it was a 18+ month gap between initiating the king in 72, and the mass initiations program in summer of 74. AFAIR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
On Apr 23, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/23/06 11:38 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I don't think there was much follow-up. Maharishi initiated thousands with an earphone system. I doubt that many of them meditated more than a few days. I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Summer of 1974, maybe Fall. We were in Arosa, Switzerland preparing for it. Great fun. We made a special videotape that was played all over Katmandu, Rick Stanley wrote songs for it, in collaboration with Maharishi (I played jelly cans in lieu of tablas). There was an earphone factory going day and night in the basement of the Hotel Pratschli, we didn't sleep much for days. The last night before Maharishi left for Nepal, we were up all night. It was bright sunlight when we saw him off. One of my best experiences in the movement. I had heard from someone who was there that the headphones thing didn't work to the satisfaction of those hearing their mantras--and all the mass initiated had to have their mantras verified mouth-to- ear afterwards. Is that what happpened? I'd also heard that M. vowed to never do the massive earphone initiation thing again after that incident. It always sounded to me like good intentions gone awry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/23/06 10:54:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: The hidden message *where*? Which TM zealots? Barry has just told us that nobody in the TMO is talking about Nepal at all. Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post. Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing that folks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know? I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaign before, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. I remember hearing about it a few months after I left TTC in September '74. It made me feel really uncomfortable because the emphasis during TTC was so strong on individual instruction and the seven step program and all that...and then MMY goes out and instructs thousands of people en masse. Weird. As for follow-up, I never heard anything about it ever again... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. This was the brother of the current king: http://www.bouldernews.com/news/worldnation/02anepa.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
on 4/23/06 2:18 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Possibly. Or not. Of course, its up to YOU to explain how a technique that does seem to relax most people and have other documentable beneficial effects on many could have had such a delitorious effect on an entire country... I don't think enough TM was practiced in Nepal to have much effect one way or the other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. The sense I'm getting from other comments here is that there was no followup after the initial initiations. I guess you could say it went bad from the start. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. The sense I'm getting from other comments here is that there was no followup after the initial initiations. I guess you could say it went bad from the start. Yeah, but was it *recognized* from the start? Apparently it took place in '74, so it might well have become something not spoken about by the time I learned TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/23/06 2:18 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Possibly. Or not. Of course, its up to YOU to explain how a technique that does seem to relax most people and have other documentable beneficial effects on many could have had such a delitorious effect on an entire country... I don't think enough TM was practiced in Nepal to have much effect one way or the other. Likely that was the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hidden message here TM zealots are trying to insinuate Still interested to know which TM zealots here are trying to insinuate this... is that when Nepal stopped TM they created a pathway for it's own destruction. Of course TM could also have represented the destruction of their traditions and what caused the chaos we see today, like a festering disease which helped destroy the indigenous coherence. In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Wow, that's some powerful technique to be able to do all that major damage in so short a time! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In others words TM helped dismantle their own innate depth and breadth by replacing it with shallow palliatives. Wow, that's some powerful technique to be able to do all that major damage in so short a time! Don't tell Bush, he might send siddhas into Iran To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Has it been determined that creation isn't a function of evolution? In a recent post didn't it point out everything has the common denominator of illusion and, here we argue about opposite ends of the elephant. N. Perhaps there are two types. One is Pseudo-scientific proselytizing and the other is creating awareness about Genuine Science.?? Many Scientists feel that public should be made aware of Pure Science. It's good for the science in the long run. The fucking Creationists morons use Pseudo-science to prop up their agenda. That is as destructive as religious proselytizing. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:21:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened? Massive TM initiations. At a certain point you realize that scientific proselytizing is as palatable as the religious kind--and possibly equally destructive. - Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
In a message dated 4/23/06 11:39:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supposedly, many years ago, actually only a few years after the campaign in Nepal, M had told Satyanand that the campaign was a lesson on how not to do such things because there was not follow up after M left Nepal. M had initiated thousands of people and nobody stayed behind to help keep them meditating or create more. Fine, but that wasn't my question. Sorry Judy, I wasn't meaning to comment on your question, just the thread in general. I decided to do so after reading your post.Okey-doke. Who was responsible for not seeing thatfolks stayed behind for follow-up, do you know?I can't remember ever hearing about a Nepal campaignbefore, it just occurs to me. When did it take place? I can't remember exactly when the Nepal campaign was but I want to say it would have around 72 or 73. M went to Nepal and initiatedtens of thousands, maybe thirty five thousand,in a football stadium using earphones which he first used in Fuiggi Italy. He left and never went back. I think Satyanand may have done some follow up but the program ended very quickly. I would think M was calling the shots as to what was to be done and how much money could be spent in Nepal, he usually exercises that control. But the whole thing ended abruptly and as quickly as it got started. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't remember exactly when the Nepal campaign was but I want to say it would have around 72 or 73. M went to Nepal and initiated tens of thousands, maybe thirty five thousand, in a football stadium using earphones which he first used in Fuiggi Italy. He left and never went back. I think Satyanand may have done some follow up but the program ended very quickly. I would think M was calling the shots as to what was to be done and how much money could be spent in Nepal, he usually exercises that control. But the whole thing ended abruptly and as quickly as it got started. It was in the end of 1974. I saw a film of it. It was said that he initiated 28000 in one go. He had a special tapemachine, that could hold several different tapes, and from there going out strings with earphones. He did a common puja on stage, and then queried people and different groups showed their hands. The initiation went via the tapes all at the same time. There were postcards printed and distributed to attend follow-up meetings, but I think without much success. Just before, and right after it had happened, there was a great excitement about it, as many thought this was a way to get big masses to meditation. But it was abundoned for the reasons already stated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
Apparently it took place in '74, so it might well have become something not spoken about by the time I learned TM. I went to my first intro lecture in May 74 and got initiated in July 74 and I never heard of it. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Mid-70's IIRC. MMY initiated the king and the king had MMY initiate a whole mess of people after that. I was just wondering if it had gone bad before or after I learned TM in '76. If before, maybe that's why I don't recall hearing anything about it. The sense I'm getting from other comments here is that there was no followup after the initial initiations. I guess you could say it went bad from the start. Yeah, but was it *recognized* from the start? Apparently it took place in '74, so it might well have become something not spoken about by the time I learned TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM once big in Nepal, what happened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently it took place in '74, so it might well have become something not spoken about by the time I learned TM. I went to my first intro lecture in May 74 and got initiated in July 74 and I never heard of it. I was in Vitznau at the turn of the year. There were posters everywhere, MMY standing with a bluish mountain background, saying 'Nepal to lead the world'; then in 1975 MMY inaugurated AoE and that was the big thing. I also think it was a kind of an experiment, and as the way initiation was done, was quite different, the news was kept low key. I only heard it in Switzerland, not at my center. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
