[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic
And drinking wine is totally Catholic! Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird ceremonies?! They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the name of God -- like those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps above that in crazy religio talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of God. Far more twisted than those cheap bastard Meditationsts who just give out measly names of gods. So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and drinking are religions. (Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, just that the mantras and wine are found out and the Catholics and the Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they are giving out -- but causality, thats another story) So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in publicly funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I have been told, I haven't actually read the darn thing.) And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up and secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get them drinking wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge funny hat on their head. You know, that insidious practice far out eclipes those secular looking religious fronts known as meditation centers that those crazy Meditationists put up all over the place. So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats so trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the absence of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are schools -- that might all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.) But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of drinking wine in the home are absolutely related to and based on the crazy inner worlds of the groups that give them out. Crazy religious practices. I mean that's fundamental. No projection there! And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the players huddle around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And some KNEEL! Kneeling man! Thats the core of all religious acts. They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents known by their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious based football games in schools! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur- rounded by the Rajas in full costume. I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded in such a way that I don't know how to do that. For those who see nothing the least bit religious about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce those beliefs. For those who believe that just maybe what this video captures is very much religious indeed, it should reinforce *those* beliefs. Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and *its* style and presentation with the current cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org website and the new face that the TMO wants to show the public following the recent DLF concert. Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want to present this new face. Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon be participating in? Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this way normally, why didn't they dress this way at the DLF concert? Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself, We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev. Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja and what it's about that have been presented here on Fairfield Life. Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling and that it's not really a bowing down to what these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into the video. The person who created the puja and in this video defines it as a ceremony TO Guru Dev, and the costumed leaders of the TM movement that surround him seem to have a slightly different interpretation of what 'namah' means and how to demonstrate it than the person who said kneeling is kneeling. Looks a lot like bowing down to me. Check out the paintings on the walls and the way that the room is decorated. Check out the scene at 00:35 into the video and the guy seated on
[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic
Ha! All this put me in mind of that funny ceremony when the navy launches a new ship. In the UK, with what's left of our Royal Navy, when a new ship of the line is launched, we have our Queen breaking a champagne bottle over the bow. God bless this ship and all who sail in her. And of course if the bottle fails to break, she's an unlucky ship. (She - what's that all about, eh?). I wonder if the good folks of our land are aware of this religious indoctrination of their sons and daughters? They should be told! What superstitions are US sailors obliged to take part in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: And drinking wine is totally Catholic! Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird ceremonies?! They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the name of God -- like those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps above that in crazy religio talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of God. Far more twisted than those cheap bastard Meditationsts who just give out measly names of gods. So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and drinking are religions. (Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, just that the mantras and wine are found out and the Catholics and the Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they are giving out -- but causality, thats another story) So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in publicly funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I have been told, I haven't actually read the darn thing.) And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up and secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get them drinking wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge funny hat on their head. You know, that insidious practice far out eclipes those secular looking religious fronts known as meditation centers that those crazy Meditationists put up all over the place. So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats so trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the absence of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are schools -- that might all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.) But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of drinking wine in the home are absolutely related to and based on the crazy inner worlds of the groups that give them out. Crazy religious practices. I mean that's fundamental. No projection there! And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the players huddle around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And some KNEEL! Kneeling man! Thats the core of all religious acts. They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents known by their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious based football games in schools! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of- puja.html This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur- rounded by the Rajas in full costume. I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded in such a way that I don't know how to do that. For those who see nothing the least bit religious about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce those beliefs. For those who believe that just maybe what this video captures is very much religious indeed, it should reinforce *those* beliefs. Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and *its* style and presentation with the current cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org website and the new face that the TMO wants to show the public following the recent DLF concert. Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want to present this new face. Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon be participating in? Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this way normally, why didn't they dress this way at the DLF concert? Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself, We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev. Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic
(snip) So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and drinking are religions. (snip) The wine used in the Roman Mass, is not the wine you buy in the store. There is a magical thinking, in that the Priest has the power to turn the wine to the 'Blood of Christ'... Wafers are also given out after the Priest declares them: 'The body of Christ. In a way, it is similar, at least in the mind of the Roman believer, that the wine and wafer are somehow imbided with Holy Spirit, or Shakti, and this is what is the mantra of the Roman Church. Same with TM. You can't buy it in the store. It is available after the ceremony to imbibe it with the qualities of Shakti, or the Holy Spirit... So, for believers, the Roman Mass can be a powerful thing, since they have been so invested in the process since childhood, in many cases. As for TM'ers...there is not much of an indocrination, and the puja, is much more effective in raising the Shakti, then relying on the Roman trinkets, in my opinion. Bigger is not necessarily better, except in Rome, where collassus is the way... TM is a more humble, effective teaching than using wine and wafers as your mantrathey both dissappear in your mouth, without much transcending. The 'Hail Mary' mantra, also, does not allow one to transcend as easily at all, as it is more robotic, if you have heard it. The 'Our Father' also used as a mantra, for me, is better done once, with a clear intention, then chanted in a mindless way... The reason the Roman Church has been so uneffective in raising consiousness, is because it is superficial, appealing to and controlling the masses... What a shame, deeper knowledge of what Jesus taught, was locked away somewhere, long ago. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic
Ha Ha-- by the way, i recently discovered a great sauvignon blanc by the De Sante label. not too dry, with subtle tropical flavors. also a prosecco (italian sparkling wine) from Bollicini. small bubbles and not too sweet. ...and i admit i do TM too...so two strikes against me...no wait, i also own a CROSS pen... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: And drinking wine is totally Catholic! Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird ceremonies?! They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the name of God -- like those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps above that in crazy religio talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of God. Far more twisted than those cheap bastard Meditationsts who just give out measly names of gods. So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and drinking are religions. (Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, just that the mantras and wine are found out and the Catholics and the Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they are giving out -- but causality, thats another story) So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in publicly funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I have been told, I haven't actually read the darn thing.) And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up and secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get them drinking wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge funny hat on their head. You know, that insidious practice far out eclipes those secular looking religious fronts known as meditation centers that those crazy Meditationists put up all over the place. So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats so trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the absence of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are schools -- that might all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.) But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of drinking wine in the home are absolutely related to and based on the crazy inner worlds of the groups that give them out. Crazy religious practices. I mean that's fundamental. No projection there! And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the players huddle around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And some KNEEL! Kneeling man! Thats the core of all religious acts. They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents known by their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious based football games in schools! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur- rounded by the Rajas in full costume. I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded in such a way that I don't know how to do that. For those who see nothing the least bit religious about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce those beliefs. For those who believe that just maybe what this video captures is very much religious indeed, it should reinforce *those* beliefs. Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and *its* style and presentation with the current cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org website and the new face that the TMO wants to show the public following the recent DLF concert. Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want to present this new face. Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon be participating in? Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this way normally, why didn't they dress this way at the DLF concert? Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself, We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev. Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja and what it's about that have been presented here on Fairfield Life. Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling and that it's not really a bowing down to what these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into the
