[FairfieldLife] Re: For Nabby

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> Rick (I assume) posted this on the FFL main page.
> 
> "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it,
> no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own
> reason and your own common sense." ~ Buddha

This quote is often referenced hereabouts. I'm afraid it
doesn't float my boat. Back, back in the day might it not
have "agreed with your reason and your own common sense" that
the Sun goes round the Earth?

Then again, if you do agree with the sentiment of the quote,
isn't the *worst* way to make your point to wheel out a quote
from an authority (Buddha)?

And is it a fake quote anyway?
http://www.fakebuddhaquotes.com/believe-nothing-no-matter-where-you-read-it/

"Now, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions,
by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies,
by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the
thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for
yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities
are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these
qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to
happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them."

i.e. Do *not* acquiesce in the infallibilty of your
own reasoning (logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies). 
And perhaps throttle back on the epistemological narcissism and
pay due heed to the "wise"!

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Nabby: Crop circles discovered underwater near Japan

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Hint: First gaze at the first two photos, and wonder at the obvious
> alien message being conveyed to us. Next, read to the end of the
> article, and learn how they came to be.
> Mysterious Underwater `Crop Circles' Discovered Off the Coast of
> Japan
>   [Mysterious Underwater Crop Circles Discovered Off the Coast of Japan
> nature Japan fish ]
> 
>   [Mysterious Underwater Crop Circles Discovered Off the Coast of Japan
> nature Japan fish ]
> 
> According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration less
> than five percent 
> of the world's oceans have been explored, meaning that 95% of what
> lies  deep underwater on Earth has yet to be seen by human eyes.
> 
> One person who has dedicated his life to uncovering the mysteries of the
> deep is Japanese photographer Yoji Ookata
>    who obtained his scuba license at
> the age of 21 and has since spent the  last 50 years exploring and
> documenting his discoveries off the coast  of Japan. Recently while on a
> dive near Amami Oshima at the southern tip  of the country, Ookata
> spotted something he had never encountered  before: rippling geometric
> sand patterns nearly six feet in diameter  almost 80 feet below sea
> level. He soon returned with colleagues and a  television crew from the
> nature program NHK
>   to
> document the origins what he dubbed the "mystery circle."
> 
> Here is what they found.
> 
>   [Mysterious Underwater Crop Circles Discovered Off the Coast of Japan
> nature Japan fish ]
> 
>   [Mysterious Underwater Crop Circles Discovered Off the Coast of Japan
> nature Japan fish ]
> 
> Using underwater cameras the team discovered the artist is a small 
> puffer fish only a few inches in length that swims tirelessly through 
> the day and night to create these vast organic sculptures using the 
> gesture of a single fin. Through careful observation the team found the 
> circles serve a variety of crucial ecological functions, the most 
> important of which is to attract mates. Apparently the female fish are 
> attracted to the hills and valleys within the sand and traverse them 
> carefully to discover the male fish where the pair eventually lay eggs 
> at the circle's center, the grooves later acting as a natural buffer
> to  ocean currents that protect the delicate offspring. Scientists also 
> learned that the more ridges contained within the sculpture resulted in
> a  much greater likelihood of the fish pairing.
> 
> To learn more about the circles check out the full scoop over on Spoon
> and Tamago
>  ry/> , and you can see two high resolution desktop photos courtesy of
> NHK here  .  If we're
> still making discoveries this significant in 2012, it really  makes you
> wonder what else is down there. Just 95% more to go.


Wow, the wonderful world of nature.

On the subject of courtship displays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8MxFUk77Q&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Nabby - ‪The Message of the Pleiadians‬‏ - YouTube

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> I'm not Nabbybut this is a great reminder message and worth viewing.  I 
> saw that movie What the Bleep a long time ago.  There are sooo many of these 
> types of reminders around in multiple contexts seemingly to intend to 
> communicate to all factions of the human race.
> 
> --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Rick Archer  wrote:
> 
> From: Rick Archer 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Nabby - ‪The Message of 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnRta1xu6FY&feature=player_embedded

Very nice, do see this tape. Please remember it is from 1975 when His Divinity 
declared "The Age of Enlightenment" in Seelisberg.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Nabby: The Space Brothers do a crop portrait of their God

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
>  0836.html#s127564>
>


Here's one that's right here in Fairfield:

http://tinyurl.com/36amrao

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long 
as 
> > you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. 
> 
> HP: Well Nabby, we know in advance that there is not going to be a 
discussion between us
> 
> > did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with 
> > another "guru", but could be for others if he/she was 
enlightened.
> 
> HP: cant figure out what you mean here. Your comment indicated 
that if my Guru were 
> enlightened meeting the criteria you have, then it would be of 
value to you. I am 
> answering that as long as you have a Guru and you are on that 
path, then weather some 
> other guru is or is not enlightened has no impact for you since 
you already have your Gur 
> and your path. That was my point.
> 
> Therefore weather you believe that my guru is a seeker not 
enlightened or if you believe 
> that my Guru is enlightened, either way, it is not going to mean 
anything or have anything 
> to do with your life.
> 
> > I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your "guru" whatsoever.  
> 
> HP: You would only need to have trust in my Guru is you were a 
disciple, since you are 
> not, it makes zero difference weather you have trust in her or 
not. Also whatever writtings 
> coming from my Guru, it would not make sense for you to read them
> 
> She comes 
> > through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is 
still a 
> > seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people 
to 
> > enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses 
the 
> > need for the "enlightened" to study written material and keep 
coming 
> > to meetings to not "reroot" as you say.
> 
> HP: In this path, there are no meetings, and no studying. For 
those interested in a path, 
> then it is advised here that they both be with the Guru and also 
the disciples. So, these 
> people are available to talk with, the phone numbers of my Guru 
and these enlightened 
> disciples are available for sincere seekers, also they can meet 
them in person. 
> 
> What happens then is the book descriptions of what the enlightened 
are and are not will 
> be challenged. They will never match and it is never going to be 
what you thought it was, 
> this applies to meeting enlightenment and also the unfoldment of 
enlightenment for each 
> one.
> 
> 
> 
>  Her claims are not real but 
> > fantasies, 
> 
> HP : You have the right to believe what you like
> 
> as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people 
> > enlightened. Fantasies. 
> 
> HP: You misunderstood this as it is not a claim of my guru- Kalki 
has nothing to do with 
> the path here
> 
> > I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like 
MMY, 
> > Muktananda and others. 
> 
> HP: I will make comparisons, then one can decide if that makes 
sense for them of not. 
> There was a guy a few weeks ago who is from TM but his thinking 
was that it was not the 
> right path for him, he was then going to go to Kalki. I ran into 
him, pointed out that I 
> benefitted from TM, but then went on to point out what is not 
there, also what is not at 
> Kalki's , that is here in my path.
> 
> This is a negative thing for people to hear for those in the path 
that I am saying has 
> something lacking, so those happy in those paths should not read 
or listen to what I have 
> to say maybe- up to them
> 
>  Praise your guru if you like, but it makes 
> > you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you 
understand 
> > these Masters.
> 
> HP: Again, I dont care how I look or what people think. I am not 
trying to recruit the 
> masses. One disciple wrote in to my Guru first time and asked can 
I be your disciple, the 
> answer was - are you ready to go through hell first?
> 
> This is the kundalini path, ego candy is not handed out, prior to 
enlightenment, things 
> may be very difficult and no one here is saying it is going to be 
easy, it is not.
> 
> If I were looking to recruit, then there would be a very different 
presentation and 
> methodology for that. It would be geared for all the things that 
look appealing these days. 
> The big organizations have these things or else they wouldn't be 
big. They do and present 
> things which look good. 
> 
> In my path, one may have to go through hell first- so which looks 
better?

Better would be to stabilize your nervoussystem before you flip out 
completely. Get a job.

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Ron]

> It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long as 
> you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. 

HP: Well Nabby, we know in advance that there is not going to be a discussion 
between us

> did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with 
> another "guru", but could be for others if he/she was enlightened.

HP: cant figure out what you mean here. Your comment indicated that if my Guru 
were 
enlightened meeting the criteria you have, then it would be of value to you. I 
am 
answering that as long as you have a Guru and you are on that path, then 
weather some 
other guru is or is not enlightened has no impact for you since you already 
have your Gur 
and your path. That was my point.

Therefore weather you believe that my guru is a seeker not enlightened or if 
you believe 
that my Guru is enlightened, either way, it is not going to mean anything or 
have anything 
to do with your life.

> I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your "guru" whatsoever.  

HP: You would only need to have trust in my Guru is you were a disciple, since 
you are 
not, it makes zero difference weather you have trust in her or not. Also 
whatever writtings 
coming from my Guru, it would not make sense for you to read them

She comes 
> through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is still a 
> seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people to 
> enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses the 
> need for the "enlightened" to study written material and keep coming 
> to meetings to not "reroot" as you say.

HP: In this path, there are no meetings, and no studying. For those interested 
in a path, 
then it is advised here that they both be with the Guru and also the disciples. 
So, these 
people are available to talk with, the phone numbers of my Guru and these 
enlightened 
disciples are available for sincere seekers, also they can meet them in person. 

What happens then is the book descriptions of what the enlightened are and are 
not will 
be challenged. They will never match and it is never going to be what you 
thought it was, 
this applies to meeting enlightenment and also the unfoldment of enlightenment 
for each 
one.



 Her claims are not real but 
> fantasies, 

HP : You have the right to believe what you like

as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people 
> enlightened. Fantasies. 

HP: You misunderstood this as it is not a claim of my guru- Kalki has nothing 
to do with 
the path here

> I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like MMY, 
> Muktananda and others. 

HP: I will make comparisons, then one can decide if that makes sense for them 
of not. 
There was a guy a few weeks ago who is from TM but his thinking was that it was 
not the 
right path for him, he was then going to go to Kalki. I ran into him, pointed 
out that I 
benefitted from TM, but then went on to point out what is not there, also what 
is not at 
Kalki's , that is here in my path.

This is a negative thing for people to hear for those in the path that I am 
saying has 
something lacking, so those happy in those paths should not read or listen to 
what I have 
to say maybe- up to them

 Praise your guru if you like, but it makes 
> you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you understand 
> these Masters.

HP: Again, I dont care how I look or what people think. I am not trying to 
recruit the 
masses. One disciple wrote in to my Guru first time and asked can I be your 
disciple, the 
answer was - are you ready to go through hell first?

This is the kundalini path, ego candy is not handed out, prior to 
enlightenment, things 
may be very difficult and no one here is saying it is going to be easy, it is 
not.

If I were looking to recruit, then there would be a very different presentation 
and 
methodology for that. It would be geared for all the things that look appealing 
these days. 
The big organizations have these things or else they wouldn't be big. They do 
and present 
things which look good. 

In my path, one may have to go through hell first- so which looks better?

Hridaya

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HP :> Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or
> believeing that my Guru has
> > brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a
> Guru who may be
> > available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess.
> 
> Nabby: Of course, if it was true. But since it is just a 
contradicting
> story from you it has 0, zero, nada value whatsoever.
> 
> HP: if an enlightened Guru were available to work with you one to 
one that has brought 
> people to enlightenment, and then this would be useful to you as 
you claim, then please 
> let me know how it would be useful?

It is not possible to have a useful discussion with Ron as long as 
you cannot even read and understand the simplest of statements. I 
did not write what you claim, it's not useful for me with 
another "guru", but could be for others if he/she was enlightened.
I'm sorry, but I have no trust in your "guru" whatsoever.  She comes 
through as a someone who has been in India for awhile and is still a 
seeker, full of herself. Her claims for having brought 5 people to 
enlightenment is ridicelous to say the least when she stresses the 
need for the "enlightened" to study written material and keep coming 
to meetings to not "reroot" as you say. Her claims are not real but 
fantasies, as is her claim that Kalki has made 400 people 
enlightened. Fantasies. 
I think it would do you good to stop denouncing Masters like MMY, 
Muktananda and others. Praise your guru if you like, but it makes 
you look even more foolish, if possible, to pretend you understand 
these Masters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Ron]

HP :> Well lemme think, what would be the purpose in knowing or
believeing that my Guru has
> brought 5 to enlightenment since 1999. For those interested in a
Guru who may be
> available to work with, it would be most useful I would guess.

Nabby: Of course, if it was true. But since it is just a contradicting
story from you it has 0, zero, nada value whatsoever.

HP: if an enlightened Guru were available to work with you one to one that has 
brought 
people to enlightenment, and then this would be useful to you as you claim, 
then please 
let me know how it would be useful?

Do you think that any enlightened Guru is going to accept you when you insist 
on doing 
your TM and keep up with and taking instructions from MMY?  Or do you think by 
going to 
this Guru and taking blessings or darshan that this is going to propel you to 
enlightenment?

My opinion is if you are happy with TM fine, then why would you need another 
guru? This 
is why weather you believe my Guru is enlightened or not , either way, it has 
no bearing in 
your life right now, nothing changes for you. 

For me, the belief that my Guru is enlightened has a major impact, major change 
in my 
life because based on this belief, I have gone into the path full force, 
adopted the 
practices, received transmissions, which is grace, and entered into a state of 
peace that 
prior to this was not there.

So, believing one way or the other in itself has very insignificant effect, it 
is the course of 
action put into place based on a belief that can move mountains.

Hridaya

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Ron]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby
> 
>  
> 
> As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are
> better than it was for 
> Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or
> with how 
> much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the
> numbers 
> will look a lot different.
> 
> I think that things are heating up in the world, and that people are getting
> enlightened more readily than they did in Nityananda's day.
> 
> 
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>
One comment my Guru made was that more and more Guru's are needed because there 
are more and more spontaneous kundalini awakenings these days, so will it be a 
casualty 
or will it be put to use for the purpose of moving one forward for 
enlightenment as quickly 
as possible.

Regarding enlightened ones, my experience tells me that what is written by the 
claimants 
is a start, then the truth comes out once one is around them, and especially 
seen by one 
that knows what to look for.

such things as is there a need for outer stimuli in order to feel contented, is 
there a total 
flow in the life or is there doership by a "me". Sometimes it does not even 
take an 
enlightened one to detect something sour going on but still always tricky.

i had one claimant that was revealing her discoveries of my past life to me. 
Then it was 
obvious that she was doing this with many. One not knowing what is going on may 
be 
quite fascinated with this, then ask questions about her discovery as I did. 
This is when 
the shit hit the fan and things went out of control.

In this case, my Guru was aware where i was and was there as guidance for me. 
To make a 
long story short, I have been through this sort of thing, resulting in going 
into a big 
depression for months afterwards, but didn't happen this time.

The words of my Guru about this one, who declares enlightenment on her own and 
is a 
kalki Diksha giver- "she is lost"  "she is going to give diksha to people and 
fuck them up"

iN my path here, only those with a stilled mind are athorized to give shaktipat

Hridaya

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:08 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

 

As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are
better than it was for 
Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or
with how 
much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the
numbers 
will look a lot different.

I think that things are heating up in the world, and that people are getting
enlightened more readily than they did in Nityananda’s day.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest 
> > reading 
> > > > material and meetings for the "enlightened" to 
> > stay "enlightened" 
> > > > Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ?   ;-)
> > > >
> > > The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that 
have 
> > unfolded in Realization. 
> > > Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's 
comments 
> > were something like 
> > > now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read 
> > some scripture- I forget 
> > > which one, but Sarojini did it immediately.
> > > 
> > > I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the 
> > begining but it is not 
> > > necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, 
> > things are as they are. 
> > > Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you 
thought 
> > it was.
> > 
> > If you are enlightened there is no possebility to "reroot". 
> > Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply 
is 
> > something other than enlightenment.
> 
> I am not one of those enlightened but this comment is what my Guru 
says. However, you 
> can find plents as i did in the last 2 years that even with the 
mind "rerooting', they still 
> claim enlightenment. My Guru says where there is a "me", there is 
no enlightenment. The 
> 'me' has imploded into Being or IS or absolute or what ever word 
you want to use.
> 
> > Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you 
have 
> > been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as 
ignorant 
> > as the majority of the rest of us.
> >
> 
> There has not been any rerooting of the mind- and in this path the 
Guru is right here to 
> look after the disciples to ensure that they have come to 
enlightenment and not a glimpse. 
> My expereince has been with the 20 or so that declareed 
enlightenment where it was not 
> the case, was it usually was a glimpse, the mind rerooted, the 
guru was either not 
> available or there was no guru in the first place, then they were 
decalring enlightenment 
> even though mind was still there.
> 
> Even what I am writting would be objected to most likely by the 
same ones I am referring 
> to. I watched a you tube presentation of one explaining what 
enlightenment was based on 
> his own experience. in this explaination, he said - the mind comes 
back in enlightenment.  
> What is the mind? What is the ego?
> 
> So, there is not even an agreement on this but I can pass along 
what my Guru has to say- 
> in enlightenment , one knows 100% they are not the mind, not the 
body. There is no one 
> to be enlightened, and a quote from my Guru "I never existed nor 
will I ever"
> 
> 
> So, this mind rerrooting is only a glimpse here in my path which 
my Guru explains does 
> not hold a candle to Nivakalpa Sahaj Samadi, but it appears in 
other paths the mind 
> rerrooting is enlightenmetn.
> 
> This was just a long commentary which is about equll to me 
expalining what ice cream 
> tastes like having not tasted it myself. If you are going to argue 
my points , it is an honest 
> thing to first state where it is that your consciousness rests, 
especially if one is going to 
> speak with athority about what can and cannot happen to an 
enlightened one.
> 
> If it is two people speaking to each other about the ice cream 
that they themselves have 
> never tasted, how valuable is it ? The intellectual understanding 
of what ice cream tastes 
> like doesnt hold a candle to the tasting of it.
> 
> too late now, i just typed alot, it could be like the blind 
leading the blind.
> 
> Hridaya

Wherever you are I'm sure there will be an organization of some sort 
that will be happy to lend white sticks to both your guru and your 5 
enlightened ones.

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[curtisdeltablues]

"As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers
are better than it was for Nityanand"

And the point of this post is...let me guess...this is hard...Ron's
guru lady is the superduperist in the whole wide world!  She's got ya
recruiting nicely, have you started the fund raising part yet?

I swear that as soon as I can find one of her ex husbands (just a
guess) I'm gunna post the real story on this chick who has guys like
you running around telling the world how great she is.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn't an
extraordinary
> > track record. I'm sure there are many gurus who could claim that,
but I'm
> > not sure that there are many who would.
> 
> I think it is an area of uncertainty anyway. Maybe in kalki's group,
there are 400 realized 
> now- but there are claims of 30 million disciples and also claims of
enlightening the world. 
> Even if 400, there are 6 billion in the world, and also 400 out of
30 million?
> 
> The 5 here is out of maybe 50. So there are not grandious over the
top claims here to 
> enlighten the world, and in my path, it is a traditional one to one
disciple/chela 
> relationship and this is the only way it is offered.
> 
> As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers
are better than it was for 
> Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the
times or with how 
> much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other
time, the numbers 
> will look a lot different.
> 
> There also are no rules acording to my Guru about stating what is,
and therefore the 
> accuracy of what is being stated is therefore one way or the other.
One can be enlightened 
> and say so as Christ did or not, but the reality of the situation
stays the same, and the 
> same for what is taking place regarding the declarations in my path .
> 
> Hridaya
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Ron]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn't an extraordinary
> track record. I'm sure there are many gurus who could claim that, but I'm
> not sure that there are many who would.

I think it is an area of uncertainty anyway. Maybe in kalki's group, there are 
400 realized 
now- but there are claims of 30 million disciples and also claims of 
enlightening the world. 
Even if 400, there are 6 billion in the world, and also 400 out of 30 million?

The 5 here is out of maybe 50. So there are not grandious over the top claims 
here to 
enlighten the world, and in my path, it is a traditional one to one 
disciple/chela 
relationship and this is the only way it is offered.

As far as an extraordinary track record, it looks like the numbers are better 
than it was for 
Nityananda, but removing the maya may have something to do with the times or 
with how 
much maya is prevelent. Alot means Kaliyuga. maybe at some other time, the 
numbers 
will look a lot different.

There also are no rules acording to my Guru about stating what is, and 
therefore the 
accuracy of what is being stated is therefore one way or the other. One can be 
enlightened 
and say so as Christ did or not, but the reality of the situation stays the 
same, and the 
same for what is taking place regarding the declarations in my path .

Hridaya

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Rick Archer]

In my opinion, 5 or 8 people enlightened in 8 years isn’t an extraordinary
track record. I’m sure there are many gurus who could claim that, but I’m
not sure that there are many who would.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[Ron]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron"  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest 
> reading 
> > > material and meetings for the "enlightened" to 
> stay "enlightened" 
> > > Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ?   ;-)
> > >
> > The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have 
> unfolded in Realization. 
> > Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments 
> were something like 
> > now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read 
> some scripture- I forget 
> > which one, but Sarojini did it immediately.
> > 
> > I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the 
> begining but it is not 
> > necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, 
> things are as they are. 
> > Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought 
> it was.
> 
> If you are enlightened there is no possebility to "reroot". 
> Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply is 
> something other than enlightenment.

I am not one of those enlightened but this comment is what my Guru says. 
However, you 
can find plents as i did in the last 2 years that even with the mind 
"rerooting', they still 
claim enlightenment. My Guru says where there is a "me", there is no 
enlightenment. The 
'me' has imploded into Being or IS or absolute or what ever word you want to 
use.

> Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you have 
> been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as ignorant 
> as the majority of the rest of us.
>

There has not been any rerooting of the mind- and in this path the Guru is 
right here to 
look after the disciples to ensure that they have come to enlightenment and not 
a glimpse. 
My expereince has been with the 20 or so that declareed enlightenment where it 
was not 
the case, was it usually was a glimpse, the mind rerooted, the guru was either 
not 
available or there was no guru in the first place, then they were decalring 
enlightenment 
even though mind was still there.

Even what I am writting would be objected to most likely by the same ones I am 
referring 
to. I watched a you tube presentation of one explaining what enlightenment was 
based on 
his own experience. in this explaination, he said - the mind comes back in 
enlightenment.  
What is the mind? What is the ego?

So, there is not even an agreement on this but I can pass along what my Guru 
has to say- 
in enlightenment , one knows 100% they are not the mind, not the body. There is 
no one 
to be enlightened, and a quote from my Guru "I never existed nor will I ever"


So, this mind rerrooting is only a glimpse here in my path which my Guru 
explains does 
not hold a candle to Nivakalpa Sahaj Samadi, but it appears in other paths the 
mind 
rerrooting is enlightenmetn.

This was just a long commentary which is about equll to me expalining what ice 
cream 
tastes like having not tasted it myself. If you are going to argue my points , 
it is an honest 
thing to first state where it is that your consciousness rests, especially if 
one is going to 
speak with athority about what can and cannot happen to an enlightened one.

If it is two people speaking to each other about the ice cream that they 
themselves have 
never tasted, how valuable is it ? The intellectual understanding of what ice 
cream tastes 
like doesnt hold a candle to the tasting of it.

too late now, i just typed alot, it could be like the blind leading the blind.

Hridaya

[FairfieldLife] Re: for Nabby

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm happy that you found reality with a guru that suggest 
reading 
> > material and meetings for the "enlightened" to 
stay "enlightened" 
> > Ron. Now that's real enlightenment, right ?   ;-)
> >
> The update in my path here is My Guru said there are 5 that have 
unfolded in Realization. 
> Maybe it is even 6 or 7. When Sarojini came in, my Guru's comments 
were something like 
> now we dont wont the mind to reroot, then she told her to read 
some scripture- I forget 
> which one, but Sarojini did it immediately.
> 
> I don't question too much about anything anymore, I did in the 
begining but it is not 
> necessary now. why why why is not some much of interest to me, 
things are as they are. 
> Main thing is - when you get there, it is never what you thought 
it was.

If you are enlightened there is no possebility to "reroot". 
Enlightenment is irreversible. If it is not permanent it simply is 
something other than enlightenment.
Which, as if I ever doubdted this, means that the people you have 
been duped to believe are enlightened are more or less as ignorant 
as the majority of the rest of us.