[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some quotes from various sources: -Brahmacharya or spotless chastity is the best of all penances; a celibate of such spotless chastity is not a human being, but a god indeed... To the celibate who conserves the semen with great efforts, what is there unattainable in this world? By the power of the composure of the semen, one will become just like myself. - Lord Sankara Caution in diet is of threefold value, but abstinence from sexual intercourse is of fourfold value. The Sannyasi had, and has a rule never to look at a woman. - Atreya Let not a Brahmin see a woman naked. - Manu There is no doubt that people die prematurely by letting the semen out of the body; knowing this, the Yogi should always preserve semen and lead a life of strict celibacy. Siva Samhita etc. Another quote: Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe this stuff, because the more of them that do, the more nookie is available for us. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding sensory experiences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna aram_1903@ wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding sensory experiences. Ramana Rocks! (aka the mountain that is Ramana) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. I think most of these rules were made by priests at the behest of kings or by priests turned kings themselves to control the populace. In fact the celibacy thing is probably an early attempt at population control in times of drought and famine. There is some credence to *excessive* sex increasing vata but other than that there is not much of a reason for celibacy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some quotes from various sources: -Brahmacharya or spotless chastity is the best of all penances; a celibate of such spotless chastity is not a human being, but a god indeed... To the celibate who conserves the semen with great efforts, what is there unattainable in this world? By the power of the composure of the semen, one will become just like myself. - Lord Sankara Caution in diet is of threefold value, but abstinence from sexual intercourse is of fourfold value. The Sannyasi had, and has a rule never to look at a woman. - Atreya Let not a Brahmin see a woman naked. - Manu There is no doubt that people die prematurely by letting the semen out of the body; knowing this, the Yogi should always preserve semen and lead a life of strict celibacy. Siva Samhita etc. Another quote: Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe this stuff, because the more of them that do, the more nookie is available for us. :-) Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not being celibate doesn't necessarily mean there will be more nookie available. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe this stuff, because the more of them that do, the more nookie is available for us. Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not being celibate doesn't necessarily mean there will be more nookie available. You must not have been sexually active in the TM movement back during the mid-seventies. If you walked into a TM center and emitted a non-celibate vibe, you were home free. Female TM teachers during the mid-to-late seventies were the easiest women on the planet. I think it was the same kind of panic reaction that one sees in women who live near the Castro district in San Francisco. Oh my god...a man who actually likes having sex with women...don't let him escape! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe this stuff, because the more of them that do, the more nookie is available for us. Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not being celibate doesn't necessarily mean there will be more nookie available. You must not have been sexually active in the TM movement back during the mid-seventies. If you walked into a TM center and emitted a non-celibate vibe, you were home free. Female TM teachers during the mid-to-late seventies were the easiest women on the planet. I think it was the same kind of panic reaction that one sees in women who live near the Castro district in San Francisco. Oh my god...a man who actually likes having sex with women...don't let him escape! :-) That was just the seventies period. It got more and more crazy until AIDS came along and scared everybody. I was just watching a little of an old Night Stalker episode (the one about the rakshasa) and noting how much more open things were on network TV than they are now. In our center we probably did not have as many monks as you had. What I'm talking about is people's karma when it comes to relationships (even one night stands) and how that corresponds with their horoscope. A weak 7th lord may mean that person may find even one night stands daunting even if they want them. A sannyasi yoga in the chart may bestow the same results for a different reason. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna aram_1903@ wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding sensory experiences. Samadhi is drawing the senses into the shell and all that. The activity of the thalamus takes care of sensory stuff during samadhi, and alternativint samadhi and normal activity takes care of it during normal activity. Avoid acutely stressful situation if possible, of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna aram_1903@ wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding sensory experiences. Yeah, let's put an end to egoic grasping by ramping up egoic aversion. That'll work! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna aram_1903@ wrote: snip -A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence. - Lord Buddha snip Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they don't experience it?) How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching. The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think their kids would be like? Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems like there's enough of that to go around already. No more puritanical ideas, please. Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding sensory experiences. Yeah, let's put an end to egoic grasping by ramping up egoic aversion. That'll work! sounds like you're not pracising your programme! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
