Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
John and Seraph, Rick has a whole Batgap interview about ayuhausca, etc. It's very recent and includes some FF people who travel to Peru for this purpose and have an indigenous guide. I think they fast for a week before taking it. On Friday, January 24, 2014 8:11 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhairitu, There's an Indian guru by the name of Dr. Pillai who calls these gods, including those recognized in Egypt, as archetypes. Whatever they may be, some humans were able to perceive them in one way or another. And, apparently the humans who saw them perceived them to have some common characteristics as discussed in the vedas or the Egyptian scrolls. Even today, there are shamans in the Yucatan Peninsula or the Amazon who can guide outsiders to see their gods in replicable experiences through the use of hallucigenic plants like peyote or ayuhuasca. My point is that these gods may exist in the higher dimensions of space and consciousness. However, they cannot be perceived in the basic space-time continuum.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
However, they cannot be perceived in the basic space-time continuum. If you mean the Gods cannot be experienced in ordinary waking state of consciousness in broad daylight you are mistaken. But that's perhaps not what you meant ?
[FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
They exist in our consciousness. That's why people see these subtle beings while in altered states of consciousness induced by drugs or while in the dream state of consciousness and in samadhi. IMO, this phenomenon cannot be ignored as a scientific fact nor be dismissed as a fantasy. As such, this phenomenon suggests that the higher spacial dimensions exist in human consciousness. IOW, the familiar space-time continuum seamlessly merges into the human states of consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
On 1/24/2014 9:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Where Do the gods Exist? How many gods are there Yajnavalkya? He answered,...As many as are mentioned in the Hymn to All the Gods, namely, three hundred and three, and three thousand and three.. Yes, but just how many gods are there, Yajnavalkya? Thirty-three. Yes, but just how many gods are there, Yajnavalkya? Three. Yes, but just how many gods are there, Yajnavalkya? One and a half. Yes, but just how many gods are there, Yajnavalkya? One. - Brih. Up. iii, 9
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
Like I said recently they are a *metaphor* as many an Indian intellectual will tell you. Remember that Maharishi liked to boil it down to the *absolute and relative*. That's known as the impersonal school. Some of us grabbed the free ISKCON books (that George Harrison paid for) and had fun reading Prabupad's railing against the impersonal school because we knew what particular organization he was railing against. On 01/24/2014 07:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: They exist in our consciousness. That's why people see these subtle beings while in altered states of consciousness induced by drugs or while in the dream state of consciousness and in samadhi. IMO, this phenomenon cannot be ignored as a scientific fact nor be dismissed as a fantasy. As such, this phenomenon suggests that the higher spacial dimensions exist in human consciousness. IOW, the familiar space-time continuum seamlessly merges into the human states of consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
Richard, It's possible that everything that we see and not see here in this universe is only a dream by the Knower.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
Bhairitu, There's an Indian guru by the name of Dr. Pillai who calls these gods, including those recognized in Egypt, as archetypes. Whatever they may be, some humans were able to perceive them in one way or another. And, apparently the humans who saw them perceived them to have some common characteristics as discussed in the vedas or the Egyptian scrolls. Even today, there are shamans in the Yucatan Peninsula or the Amazon who can guide outsiders to see their gods in replicable experiences through the use of hallucigenic plants like peyote or ayuhuasca. My point is that these gods may exist in the higher dimensions of space and consciousness. However, they cannot be perceived in the basic space-time continuum.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
I know some people who have done ayuhuasca, they say it is quite a demanding experience. On Sat, 1/25/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 25, 2014, 2:09 AM Bhairitu, There's an Indian guru by the name of Dr. Pillai who calls these gods, including those recognized in Egypt, as archetypes. Whatever they may be, some humans were able to perceive them in one way or another. And, apparently the humans who saw them perceived them to have some common characteristics as discussed in the vedas or the Egyptian scrolls. Even today, there are shamans in the Yucatan Peninsula or the Amazon who can guide outsiders to see their gods in replicable experiences through the use of hallucigenic plants like peyote or ayuhuasca. My point is that these gods may exist in the higher dimensions of space and consciousness. However, they cannot be perceived in the basic space-time continuum.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
MJ, From what I've seen on the video documentaries, the ayuhuasca users get sick to their stomach during the trip. But they do see or experience strange visions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Where Do the gods Exist?
It is possible that everything we see and not see in this universe is only a dream, but it is also possible that a dream is real while it lasts. There isn't anything we do in the waking state that we cannot do in the dream state. In dreams we can run and jump; tables are tables; and we can consult with our friends. But, what if the we are just dreaming a lucid dream? It's like a Zen koan: A monk fell asleep and dreamed he was a butterfly. When he awoke, he asked himself Was I a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:48 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, It's possible that everything that we see and not see here in this universe is only a dream by the Knower.
