RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House Barry is wrong. The request for citizens to report fishy emails comes directly from the White House: From the White House: There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to f...@whitehouse.gov mailto:flag%40whitehouse.gov http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ Who decide what is fishy? I don't agree with right wing opposition to health care and I don't believe the Democrats should do anything to torpedo the public option, which I believe the fishy email request will do. Obama has absolutely no business suppressing free speech. Only in totalitarian governments do citizens spy on citizens. They're not suppressing anything or spying on anyone. They're asking to be informed of misinformation that is being forwarded around between millions of people, so that they can get a sense of which lies are most commonplace and most in need of rebuttal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rick Archerr...@searchsummit.com wrote: They're not suppressing anything or spying on anyone. They're asking to be informed of misinformation that is being forwarded around between millions of people, so that they can get a sense of which lies are most commonplace and most in need of rebuttal. I agree. I suppose those spreading false rumors about spying are also part of the problem.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
raunchydog wrote: Apparently Obama gives a shit about suppressing free speech by encouraging citizens to rat on each other and doesn't give a shit for the reasons you suggested: to learn what disinfo is being circulated so they can prepare the appropriate counter arguments. You still don't get it. It's about the disinformation not about collecting email addresses. It's not about suppressing free speech. If anyone is trying to suppress free speech it is the teabaggers themselves. Wake up and smell the coffee. Who's stirring this up? Not the WH but the criminal run health insurance companies who are trying hoodwink you so they can continue ripping off the public.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House Quoting myself again: There isn't any reason for Obama to have private email addresses to counter disinformation. To reiterate what Bhairtu just said, they're not trying to collect email addresses. They're interested in the content of the emails which are spreading lies around the country, so they can put out rebuttals to those lies. Your posts fall into that category by claiming that the administration is trying to spy, collect emails, etc. So either you're misinformed, confused, or deliberately trying to do damage, with no concern for truth, as are the right wing nutters.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, raunchydograunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: What you don't get is that both the Democrats and Republicans are sleeping in the same bed with the insurance industry. This just smoke and mirrors to quash the public option. Not true. Public option will go into the exchange where those electing the public option will have the benefit of mass pricing and safeguards from being denied coverage because of pre-existing condition or being dropped because of an expensive claim. RD, I never believed you'd lie, cheat and do anything to get back at the guy who rightly trounced your unworthy candidate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: raunchydog wrote: Apparently Obama gives a shit about suppressing free speech by encouraging citizens to rat on each other and doesn't give a shit for the reasons you suggested: to learn what disinfo is being circulated so they can prepare the appropriate counter arguments. You still don't get it. It's about the disinformation not about collecting email addresses. It's not about suppressing free speech. If anyone is trying to suppress free speech it is the teabaggers themselves. Wake up and smell the coffee. Who's stirring this up? Not the WH but the criminal run health insurance companies who are trying hoodwink you so they can continue ripping off the public. What you don't get is that both the Democrats and Republicans are sleeping in the same bed with the insurance industry. This just smoke and mirrors to quash the public option. Oh yes I get that and have said so many times. Never said that congress wasn't corrupt. That's why we need to push for single payer. After all I was opposed to ANY bailout last September. There were both progressives and conservatives opposed to it. It was a sellout to the banksters and their wealthy offshore backers. Love to see those age old families lose their money. They SO deserve it. Worse then that is our congress critters are obsolete. There are probably few if any of them who understand technology and yet they are passing very stupid technology laws at the behest of lobbyists. This whole thing is just amusing to me. It IS like a national IQ test and many are failing. Aren't we fortunate to be alive in such an exciting time?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:54 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House You sound like Hugo Chavez, John, when people protest to him that he is stifling freedom of the press and the right to dissent when Chavez closes down virtually all the media outlets that oppose him: Oh, no, we're not stifling dissent we're merely closing down media that are operating outside the law. You also sound like supporters of Joe McCarthy. The White House has no place asking for people to rat on other citizens by sending the words of dissenting voices to the government. Who's talking about closing down the media? It's statements like that that characterize the right wing as raving lunatics who deserve to be as marginalized as they have become. They just want to be kept abreast of all the bullshit that goes around so they can counter it with the truth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Rick Archerr...@searchsummit.com wrote: Who's talking about closing down the media? It's statements like that that characterize the right wing as raving lunatics who deserve to be as marginalized as they have become. They just want to be kept abreast of all the bullshit that goes around so they can counter it with the truth. Rick, I have this strong sense of discomfort. I find myself actually agreeing with you on this. I hope it's just a case of every 12 hours even a broken clock tells the right time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Yes Mikey, I'm sure that the White House is going to be looking at FFL as a major source of disinformation. :-D No, the purpose is to scare and intimidate uncooperative citizens into submission through fear, that's where we're at with this President, it's a sad day in America. ROTFL! The reason the White House is doing this is to learn what disinfo is being circulated so they can prepare the appropriate counter arguments. I doubt if they are taking names unless you're a big corporation. It is to inform citizens through the proper facts not right wing bullshit. Now if this had happened during the Bush administration then you might have had something to worry about.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama wants FFLer's to report me to the White House
raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yes Mikey, I'm sure that the White House is going to be looking at FFL as a major source of disinformation. :-D No, the purpose is to scare and intimidate uncooperative citizens into submission through fear, that's where we're at with this President, it's a sad day in America. ROTFL! The reason the White House is doing this is to learn what disinfo is being circulated so they can prepare the appropriate counter arguments. I doubt if they are taking names unless you're a big corporation. It is to inform citizens through the proper facts not right wing bullshit. Now if this had happened during the Bush administration then you might have had something to worry about. Capitulation of your constitutional rights to ANYONE in government is just plain stupid. There isn't any reason for Obama to have private email addresses to counter disinformation. Do you think for one moment that the most tech savvy president in history with Homeland Security and the FBI at his disposal can't find out what's happening on the internet? Do you think Alexrod, the most media savvy Svengali ever to grace a presidential candidate doesn't know exactly how to counter disinformation? Do you really think your puny little email ratting out a fellow citizen would be helpful to the most powerful government on the planet? Think again. Just like I said to Mikey, nobody gives a shit about disinfo spread in the Funny Farm Lounge. Plus I think the whole thing is just a national IQ test. So now go cool down with some lemonade or like me some Ben and Jerry's Banana Split ice cream. Yum!
