RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:49:30 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes > > >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:11:48 - > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I read one of the DLs books and all the way through I was thinking >this is > > surpisingly shallow and "surface" not the words of somone who has >had the > > experience of enlightenment. And, lo and behold, at the end he >says that one > > day he hopes to have a transcendental experience. > > > > >Now, I find that very interesting. > >Can you remember which book it was? This is a book that I'll be >more than willing to make Barry happy by picking up and reading... > >By the way, the statement about hoping to one day have a >transcendental experience: it kind of reminds me of what Pope John >Paul (the one who lasted about 45 days) said after he was elected >Pope. He said something to the effect: "I'm not worthy of this >honour". > >Well, that pissed me off because if HE isn't worthy what does that >say about the 1 billion OTHER Catholics in the world? > > I'm afraid I can't remember of the top of my head, but I will try and find out. I'm sure the pope was just being modest or maybe that's why he only lasted 45 days! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:11:48 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO > > > > > for weird and crazy things and here you are defending > > > > > probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one > > > > > that chooses its leader based on some sort of > > > > > fairy tale about reincarnation! > > > > > > > > > > hahahahahahahahahaha. > > > > Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote >this? This is an odd > > reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses >the Vedas. Vedic > > traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like >performing fire cermonies > > so that that energies coming from planets to your very own >physiology will be deflected or > > enhanced. > > > > >I don't particularly like any form of voodoo, tibetan or hindi. > > > > > > > > > > The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a > > > > group of people who have more knowledge than you > > > > do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and > > > > reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and > > > > trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker > > > > would be doing is trying to figure out what they > > > > know, and whether it might be useful. I read one of the DLs books and all the way through I was thinking this is surpisingly shallow and "surface" not the words of somone who has had the experience of enlightenment. And, lo and behold, at the end he says that one day he hopes to have a transcendental experience. I've always prefered reading Buddhism to the movements guff, maybe because I read it first, but it's an odd scenario to have the man at the top not really knowing what he's talking about. I can't comment on the book of the dead but I file all religious writing under "yet to be proved" the Tibetan wheel of life is a masterpiece however and wll worth a look To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/8/06 7:17 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Cool. I wish you well on that path. I'm definitely >> more of a Buddhist. May we all get to the same party >> location at some point, and get to sit down over a few >> margaritas and talk about the incredibly different >> routes we all took to get there. :-) :-) :-) >> > > Yes, I look forward to that - here on earth, too. Someone in FF has to arrange > this in the > next decade! We ought to have a FFL get-together sometime. How many of you who live out of town would fly in for it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO > > for weird and crazy things and here you are defending > > probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one > > that chooses its leader based on some sort of > > fairy tale about reincarnation! > > > > hahahahahahahahahaha. > > Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. > > (Trivia question here...who can name the movie > that the above quote comes from?) :-) > > The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a > group of people who have more knowledge than you > do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and > reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and > trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker > would be doing is trying to figure out what they > know, and whether it might be useful. > > Did you notice, only a few days ago, how *quickly* > the subject of death, dying and reincaration *DIED* > here on FFL? The subject came up, a few TMers posted > the few rumors that they'd heard about the subject > from within the TM movement or from other Indian > sources, and a couple of people posted a few more > tangible things they'd learned from the Tibetan > teachers with whom they'd actually studied. And > within a day the subject was no more. Over. Fini. > Ignored as if it had never happened. Really typical of FFL--esp. since the alt.tm.med diaspora--since before there wasn't groups of obsessive posters redirecting the conversation back to you know what. Fill a list with one liners and Mrs.-Spock-who-learned-TM and there ain't room for much else. But that's the way fundies are I guess... > I thought it was a fascinating exchange. The *reason* > the subject died so quickly was -- in my opinion -- > because the TMers realized how little they actually > *knew* about death and dying, and about how the > reincarnation process actually works. They were able, > when the subject came up, to report only *rumors* > that they'd heard from *non-official* TM sources. > The discussion made it clear that *at no point* in > their entire TM "career" had anyone sat them down > and explained to them what death and dying were all > about, and how they could best prepare for it. Maybe they'll reincarnate in India. Meanwhile all the indians are busy reincarnating here :-). Maybe that's why we were only given part of the puzzle: it's actually the biggest real estate heist in history. Mahesh will use the power of the Sri Yantra he stole from SBS to reincarnate him and his minions here and take over the US, meanwhile TMers will all unconsciously reincarnate to India and other third world countries. Voila! He'll have become king of the US. Then the Islamofascists will nuke India and the inner elect of M.'s entourage will rule from the US, safe and sound. > > I guess my point is that when it comes to the process > of death, dying, and rebirth, you are *not* likely > to find out anything of worth by studying with anyone > from an Indian/Hindu background. Whereas, if that is > one your interests, you *are* likely to find out a > little of how it all works by studying with a tradition > that has delved into this subject for thousands of > years, with some success. That is, Tibetan Buddhists. Well if they studied mantra shastra to its logical conclusion, they would eventually learn to consciously leave their bodies, but only a few are doing that. They think they have it all...or so they've been conditioned to believe. > > They've got a clue, in my opinion. In my opinion, NO > ONE I've *ever* encountered from an Indian/Hindu-based > tradition does. They are basically *clueless* as to > what happens when they die, and often as fearful of > dying as the "man on the street." (Just look at > Maharishi hiding in his sterile room, afraid to even > interact with other human beings...is this how some- > one who is 'established in Brahman' or even unafraid > of death would act?) Interesting image. Howard Hughes as holistic yogi. > > And to be even more in your face, death is going to > happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. > You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, > and probably closer to ten. You're going to be lying > on your deathbed, still knowing as little about what > lies in front of you when your body breathes its last > breath as you do today. You'll be about to dive into > an experience that is as much a mystery for you as it > was the day you were born. Whereas a lot of people who > have actually studied with the tradition you like to > make fun of (Tibetan Buddhism) will just be getting > ready to perform a series of meditational exercises > that they've been preparing for their whole lives. They also just might realize, if they died why still living, that human spans are rather short and that it might be helpful to open channels of communication with beings who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/8/06 8:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Laugh while you can, Monkeyboy. > > (Trivia question here...who can name the movie > that the above quote comes from?) :-) Buckaroo Banzai? > > And to be even more in your face, death is going to > happen -- to YOU -- far sooner than you want it to. > You personally are going to DIE within twenty years, > and probably closer to ten. Why so soon? Is Shemp 75? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
How do you know? All those people who bought them might be running around in heaven right now, having wild parties and boozing it up. Sal On Apr 7, 2006, at 7:53 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: > I love the idea of indulgences. It quanitifies the field of karma > and like things with a price on them. > It may seem to quantify karma, but it doesn't work.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: While I agree, I might point out that the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is a real bargain if what you want is a fancy title. All you do is make up your own, make sure that the name could have existed during the time period and geographical location your persona lived in but didn't actually exist (in other words, you can't use the names of real historical characters), and voila, you're Lord Whatever of Wherever. And you don't even have to pay a million. They're big here in the US, I've come across a number of people involved with it in my weaving forays. You can choose your own costume, too. Most of the crowns one sees in SCA gatherings are *much* nicer and more tasteful than the TMO Burger King crowns. And all in all, this is just good fantasy fun, more so because at the end of the weekend or whatever, you just go home and resume your real life don't have to pretend any more. Unlike the rajas, who are stuck with pretending that their version of fancy titles and dressup *are* real life. :-) I'd like to see one of them try and get on a plane wearing those get-ups... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:48 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > Those full-time in the tmo definitely honor the titles, though I don't > consider that insane. My main problem here is that MMY is still > giving out aristocratic titles and positions of authority to people > based on their financial contributions, which has been ongoing since > the 108 days. I'm all for recognizing people who contribute to > whatever cause, but I think basing a spiritual mov't so much on money > all these yrs has undermined the heart value of the rank and file. It's interesting that you mention this, the thought just struck me that this type of thing is going on constantly in the west, it's just that most probably never aware of it. I'm referring to the buying of titles. It's actually quite a big business. What it usually involves is giving money to some foreign ruler, most who no longer rule a country or are simply members of royal families. If you pay enough money they will give you a title. This will authorize you to be able to wear certain regalia, add certain titles to your name, etc. And every now and then you can pay money to hang with various royals. It's also popular in Neo-Templar circles where you pay money to enter some religious order. It's quite expensive, but some people are really into it, holding fancy parties where they congregate and act like they're actually royalty. It just dawned on me that this is basically the same scam. I always knew it was a scam, but this puts it in perspective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Or, much better, read: "The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A > Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation," by Dalai Lama XIV, > Glenn H. Mullin, and Valerie Shepherd. > > This book lists the historical "tests" that were > performed to verify that the kid named as the rein- > carnation of the previous Dalai Lama really was. > Unlike the "movie version," the tests often went > on for a month, five or six such tests per day. > Failing *any* of them meant that the kid was not > the right one. > > It's an odd science, but as far as I can tell, a > real one. Glenn is an excellent translator, I'll get a copy of this one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/6/06 6:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I always knew that "pie hole" was willytex's line but I thought >> that "go figure" was his, too... > > I think Willytex stole it from Barry. > > BTW, I looked up "pie hole" but couldn't find much. It > seems to be a variant on the British "cake hole." > Apparently the Oxford English Dictionary credits Stephen > King, of all people, for inventing it. At least, the > first known use in print is from "Christine." > > Other than that, I doubt there's much to be explained > about it. At some point, somebody thought of "Shut yer > cake hole" as a clever way to say "Shut yer mouth" and > sound even more insulting, and others picked it up. Robert De Niro uses it a lot (and obnoxiously) in this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108330/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
> need
> > > > > anything else...
> > > >
> > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > > >
> > > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra
> in
> > > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught
> in
> > > TM.
> > > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
> beliefs?
> >
> > Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> > concerned.
> >
> > Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
> of
> > witnessing (sakshin).
>
> OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
> that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
> know who these people are?
>
> Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> > Consciousness").
>
> See above.
>
> There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> > Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> > while, it's not that great IMO.
> >
I suggest you look into it yourself. I don't have time to argue and
listen to the whining.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need > > > anything else... > > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that. > > > > No, it's probably because YOU were taught that and believed it and > therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you Not at all Shemp. When you see where the road stopped and see the methods continue, it's pretty darn obvious. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > > anything else...
> >
> > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> >
> > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in
> > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in
> TM.
> > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> >
>
> So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting beliefs?
Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
concerned.
Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition of
witnessing (sakshin). Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
Consciousness"). There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
while, it's not that great IMO.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/6/06 4:49 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've never much liked the way he has run his organisation and > haven't since he went to Tibet in '75 Nepal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant > boy > > > the > > > > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently- > > > > > departed Dalai Lama once wore... > > > > > > > > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's > what > > > you > > > > believe! > > > > > > > > The real story is pretty amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense. > > > > > > Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies " > Seven > > > years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary. > > > > > > If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt... > > > > Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_. > > > > He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the dialect > of > > Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also > tried > > to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got > upset > > when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders necks. > etc > > > > > > ...sleight of hand, mental projection... > > Big friggin' deal. I'm sure The Amazing Kreskin could have picked > the right mala, too. > > I'll tell you what the REAL miracle was: the fact that this guy got > the Nobel Peace Prize... I thought that miracle should have been attributed to Yassar Arafat... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need > anything else... Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that. When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in TM. It's as Barry described, a beginning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy > the > > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently- > > > departed Dalai Lama once wore... > > > > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what > you > > believe! > > > > The real story is pretty amazing. > > > > > Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense. > > Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies " Seven > years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary. > > If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt... Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_. He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the dialect of Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also tried to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got upset when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders necks. etc Seven Years in Tibet wasn't as good as the book, I was disappointed. Kundun was a little better. I think Avedon's work is the best for a western audience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles sang "Girl" > (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old. Esp. when the "girls" I was referring to were all of legal age, as we well know. Were any of them underage? If they were that's news to me. Maybe Judy has something she wants to tell us? They're just playing games or too busy with their own dramas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/6/06 3:53 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jason: > > May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His > Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"? Good point. Nader is "His Majesty," and don't you forget it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently- > departed Dalai Lama once wore... You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what you believe! The real story is pretty amazing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote: >>> And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his >> chart certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't. >>> >>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training? >>> >> >> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest >> quality. > > Which girl told you that? "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles sang "Girl" (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the > > > > > > highest > > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > > Which girl told you that? > > > > > > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame? > > > > > > Have you no sanity? > > > > > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke. > > > > I got the joke, fool. > > > > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is > > inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a > > pedaphile. > > You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own > you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about > "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image. Or vice > versa. If you were a little more sane with regard > to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life. He needs to get in touch with the Yonified Field and let go of his Inner Bitch. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until > > > his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his > chart > > > certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was > > > recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't. > > > > What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training? > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest > quality. Which girl told you that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jason Spock wrote: I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well. Looks like a Genuine guy.Unfortunately his master went over to the dark side a long time ago, so he can only have one of the red ones. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on several counts.On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Jason Spock wrote: Only a Brahmin can become a Shankaracharya. All the 5 Shankaracharya posts are allowed only for Brahmin-born. My initator told me that Maharishi cannot become Shankaracharya although he deserves the post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote: > And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until > his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his chart > certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was > recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't. What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:22 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > An elitist superstition codified > > > is no less of an elitist superstition. > > > > Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood > > based on the Jyotish chart... > > I don't think I get your point, if you had one. > > Seems to me that to claim that caste is based > on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based > on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to > claim that one is *eligible* for a position open > only to Brahmans simply because one can find an > astrologer willing to say that the person is a > "Brahman based on his chart." This style of analysis does exist in Jyotish, but it is primarily for determining mental inclinations in a very general way. > > But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on > earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi > could have become Shankaracharya, other than a > few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions > because the fantasy makes them feel more important? Or the fantasy that being a Shankaracharya really has any real importance anymore. In many ways the Mahamandaleshwaris are much more relevant and more practically important. > > To me the most fascinating thing is that the people > who do this -- the ones who try to construct some > fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or > should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably > considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than > Shudras because they're not even Indian. :-) He was never even close to that post except by *buying* the post. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either fooling themselves or simply deluded. -Vaj the mleccha To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
