Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Peter wrote: >> Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Pete, I never said it did~~I said it as being related to her depression. Not just related, actually~~but the "awakening" (so-called) being simply a prolonged case of depression that went undiagnosed. (see below). I didn't address the issue of the brain tumor at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if prolonged depression could make you more susceptible to other brain abnormalities. In any case, it's very sad and is yet one more instance of a TMer (or in this case a former one) dying~~possibly unnecessarily~~long before their time. >>> >>> I think her "awakening" was little more than a major case >>> of depression~~ >>> starting during her pregnancy and continuing on >>> afterwards, >>> not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being >>> seriously >>> ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice >>> thing for >>> her "friends" to have let her deal with quite alone, it >>> would seem. >>> And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by >>> putting the >>> above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the >>> years >>> since her death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Plus I also think that many TM'ers have a "wooden" idea of what enlightenment is. Since it is basically the experience of the transcendent along with activity that experience can vary somewhat depending on one's samskaras ( or "remains of ignorance"). Peter wrote: > Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Three > reasons. First, many people before and after her have reported similar > experiences. Two, I had identical experiences as she did and to the best of > my knowledge, I don't have a brain tumor. Three, her symptoms don't match any > sort of neurological dysfunction that would occur from a brain tumor. > Remember, I have a master's degree in science! ;-) > > --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > >> From: Sal Sunshine >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:39 PM >> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick >> Archer wrote: >> >> >>>> Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, >>>> >> realized the illusion and worked to help other people. >> >>> Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her >>> >> problem was that she had been away from any spiritual >> teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe >> her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the >> actual experience turns out to be quite different from what >> we had conceptualized it to be. >> >> I think her "awakening" was little more than a major case >> of depression~~ >> starting during her pregnancy and continuing on >> afterwards, >> not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being >> seriously >> ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice >> thing for >> her "friends" to have let her deal with quite alone, it >> would seem. >> And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by >> putting the >> above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the >> years >> since her death. >> >> Sal >> >> >> >> >> >> To subscribe, send a message to: >> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com >> >> Or go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Three reasons. First, many people before and after her have reported similar experiences. Two, I had identical experiences as she did and to the best of my knowledge, I don't have a brain tumor. Three, her symptoms don't match any sort of neurological dysfunction that would occur from a brain tumor. Remember, I have a master's degree in science! ;-) --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Sal Sunshine wrote: > From: Sal Sunshine > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:39 PM > On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick > Archer wrote: > > >> Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, > realized the illusion and worked to help other people. > > > > > > Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her > problem was that she had been away from any spiritual > teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe > her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the > actual experience turns out to be quite different from what > we had conceptualized it to be. > > I think her "awakening" was little more than a major case > of depression~~ > starting during her pregnancy and continuing on > afterwards, > not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being > seriously > ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice > thing for > her "friends" to have let her deal with quite alone, it > would seem. > And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by > putting the > above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the > years > since her death. > > Sal > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: >> Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. > > > Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. I think her "awakening" was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her "friends" to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal Are you basing that upon having known her personally, or upon having read her book?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: >> Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked >> to help other people. > > > Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had > been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, > so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual > experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it > to be. I think her "awakening" was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her "friends" to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Rick Archer wrote: From: Rick Archer Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:04 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of emptybill Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal Yes very much like Suzanne Seagal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt in Buddhist literature. I found her story very interesting but also quite funny. Apparently some people didn't listen when he was describing the transition from TC into CC in terms of subjective experience. "Oh, I will be expanded into unbounded consciousness" must have been her thought, and shows she definitely did not listen and had no clue. The futility of looking for an I to keep for a reference was highlighted by MMY a number of times. She also had a very intense attachment to her Jewish identity, something I found hilarious. The continual need to search out such an "identify" to make sure it was still findable caused her lots of suffering, all of it self induced. From Reb Yonnasan Gershom's book, Beyond the Ashes, I learned just how crystallized a Jewish identity could be … circulating across many life times just to keep itself intact. Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. To go from a bound, localized identity to absolutely no localization and hence no individual identity in a finger snap blows the mind to pieces. The waking state thought that "I" will have this experience of unboundedness or "I" will be unbounded is completely false, although this is the best a waking state mind can do because that 'I-thought", as Ramana Maharishi called it, is the foundation of waking state. Consciousness is completely unlocalized and unbounded to any space and time limitation. Therefore the mind, a localized expression of consciousness, is incapable of "knowing" pure consciousness. In waking state, the mind knows pure consciousness as a concept only.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of emptybill Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal Yes very much like Suzanne Seagal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt in Buddhist literature. I found her story very interesting but also quite funny. Apparently some people didn't listen when he was describing the transition from TC into CC in terms of subjective experience. "Oh, I will be expanded into unbounded consciousness" must have been her thought, and shows she definitely did not listen and had no clue. The futility of looking for an I to keep for a reference was highlighted by MMY a number of times. She also had a very intense attachment to her Jewish identity, something I found hilarious. The continual need to search out such an "identify" to make sure it was still findable caused her lots of suffering, all of it self induced. >From Reb Yonnasan Gershom's book, Beyond the Ashes, I learned just how crystallized a Jewish identity could be . circulating across many life times just to keep itself intact. Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be.