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I hear meditation helps free the mind from timecramp (some say it can take as little as 5 or 8 or 30 years!); I have found this discursive shit (together with bodymind breath/attention) to be most helpful in *very quickly* unravelling suffering... :-)-You can ask lots of questions but do you then question the answers to the questions as well? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to banish and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? I was thinking of Rory's response to this (have you always been fair to Maharishi; to yourself?) Doesn't this Byron Katie stuff have its limitations? Let's say someone is a serial killer and I judge that as wrong. Would you ask, have you been a serial killer? Have you serial killed yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 8/6/05 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to banish and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? I was thinking of Rory's response to this (have you always been fair to Maharishi; to yourself?) Doesn't this Byron Katie stuff have its limitations? Let's say someone is a serial killer and I judge that as wrong. Would you ask, have you been a serial killer? Have you serial killed yourself? Given some spiritual theories that you are not likely to find your way to self discovery unless you've got about 10,000 incarnations under your belt, it's not out of the question. :-) OK, but even if I've been one, that still doesn't make it excusable. I must have faced, or should face, the consequences. Maybe I'm misinterpreting Byron Katie. I haven't read her carefully enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 8/6/05 12:35 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. Finding the serial killer in yourself will bring that portion into full consciousness, removing its ability to run you through your unconscious. It will have become integrated, healed, made whole. You not only will cease entertaining that previously- denied portion in a non-life-supporting manner; you will probably be finding yourself consciously atoning for the acts which that denied portion of yourself had done. Often, a self-righteous judgement is a clue that we are projecting some denied portion of Life outside ourselves so we can safely condemn it. IMO this is what Jesus meant when saying Judge not, lest ye be judged. In the deepest sense, when we judge we are *always* judging ourselves. This keeps perpetuating the karma of dis- integration, for essentially whatever we judge we later find ourselves acting out, so we can understand it from the inside. Thanks for the feedback. I'm sure I'm capable of doing the things I've criticized Maharishi for doing. One question. Is there a way of being non-judgmentally judgmental? What if you're a professional judge, and a Byron Katie student? It's your job to judge and sentence people. You can't just sit there all day say, Oh yeah, I can see this guy's faults in myself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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- Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: I hear meditation helps free the mind from timecramp (some say it can take as little as 5 or 8 or 30 years!); I have found this discursive shit (together with bodymind breath/attention) to be most helpful in *very quickly* unravelling suffering... :-) -You can ask lots of questions but do you then question the answers to the questions as well?We check the bodymind for its feeling-response. If suffering persists, more work is indicated. If not, not :-)Sounds like work with the Rudras. All thoughts shot down at their inception so as to maintain tabula rasa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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An example of the latter might be BushCo's apparent approach to terrorism (fighting it "out there" while actually inciting more of it with the torture-and-terrorism tactics of their own unintegrated shadow-side). This would apparently be self-righteous, holier-than-thou denial and unintegrated judgement, and as you can see, the results are less than ideal :-)Ihate the ignorance that says that Christians should be mighty and pound down their foes. How can Bush claim to be Christian without the mercy of cheek turning? Same with those who applaud him. Apparently the Republican version of Jesus' teachings is easier than the actual Jesus version. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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May perhaps be a different phenomenon then; I have noticed this particularly when I am fully rested and collected, and the thoughts are of nothing other than their own emergence from the Unmanifest; the "suffering" appears to be inherent in manifestation itself :-)-It's unfortunate you feel this way when that stream of consciousness is the very purpose of relative life. You cannot have the Brahman consciousness without the dynamism of the silent state. Brahman is not merely silent kaivalya. Back to the purva mimansa for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I think that what happened was Maharishi was smarter and a better yogi then most people surrounding GD but he was barred from taking Sannyas by caste. He vowed to outdo all the Sannyasins at their own game. He would have been a brahmachari when he served GD, but wasn't technically having to remain one since he never was a Sannyasin. Therefore he is a chameleon, doing just what he had to to maintain appearances so as to sell the West, who don't reallly know the truth of these things. - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject) Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those people at that time, celibacy was a good thing.Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstainedto get their perspectives on the experience.- Patrick GillamP.S. I've only been following these discussions with one eye, but it's fascinating to see how we read meanings into things. It's a theme this group has come back to again and again.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of celibacy and on being a monk.http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. shtml Interesting, and thanks for posting this link, but he doesn't actually mention celibacy in the segment. He speaks in general terms in answer to the interviewer's question, in terms of "restraining from the worldly joys of life." He doesn't even speak of *vows* in this clip, merely that he "came out of that world" that believed that to lead a spiritual life, one must renounce the world. He says that he renounced the world. But *then* he goes on to say that what he *learned* was that it *wasn't* necessary to renounce the world to lead a spiritual life. "I had the idea that I must renounce the world in order to be really a spiritual man, a yogi. But what I found out was that spiritual life was not dependent on the renun- ciation of the material world." So if one were looking for it, one could see in this clip a *rejection* of the idea of renouncing the world, rather than a claim to still be living that life. All his references in this clip to "renouncing the world" are in the past tense. So I reiterate -- has anyone *ever* heard Maharishi claim to be celibate? Or has everyone merely *assumed* he was all this time? Unc P.S. In retrospect, don't you find it fascinating that what you read into this clip was, according to the Subject line, "Maharishi speaking of his vow of celibacy?" He never mentioned celibacy, he never mentioned "vows," and he actually *rejected* the idea of having to renounce the world to be spiritual. My original point was that one hears what one wants to hear. I rest my case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own theory? Assuming that MMY was off the program with some lady or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he projected on everyone else... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those people at that time, celibacy was a good thing. Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained to get their perspectives on the experience. Anyone can start a poll, but I'm convinced that celibacy has been very good for me. I think I needed it to compensate for my youthful excesses. I don't have a problem if Maharishi was having sex and encouraging me not to. My problem is in understanding why he'd want to. I understand personal needs and all that, but my conception of him was that he was above them. Or that even if he weren't, that he would have had the yogic ability to sublimate his desires, if for no other reason than to avoid the potentially catastrophic effect on his movement should his sexual activities be publicly exposed. That often came close to happening, and his response was to banish and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Are you saying MMY should have treated them fairly?Is this thought true? How do you feel when you think this thought? How would you feel without this thought?What about a possible turnaround -- Have you always treated MMY fairly? Have you always treated yourself fairly?The five headed hydra of the mind can only lead to more confusion, or one merely says, shut up. All this discursive shit is great if you have loads of time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
