Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. MMY teaches that it is GENERALLY a gradual process, IIRC. It appears to be a gradual process from the side of avidya. What is being experienced is the gradual increase of sattva as the body and mind are purified. When consciousness stops projecting into and identifying with boundaries and awakens to itself then it becomes self-evident that there was no gradual process of enlightenment; that this has always been. But of course, prior to this realization, talking this way just leads to the moodmaking of advaita, not practicing yogic techniques and the continuation of a falsehood-avidya. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/27/05 7:13 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To hold, as some appear to, that we meditate for 20-30 years and then one day, the room goes from total darkness to total light, is funny, in a charming way. So to the extent people keep insisting IT is already there, they are correct -- to a degree. It comes and goes. Or more corectly, though still inaccurately, we move into it, and then get bounced out. And it's definitely progressive, as you suggest later. There are gradual paths and there are sudden paths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 4:20 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have long suggested that we run some tests on the self-proclaimed Es. Push'em off a cliff. And if they don't come back, we will celebrate their saintliness. MMY once commented, or so I am told, that the sidhis would be an eye- opener to many who felt they were fully enlightened. Indeed it should be considered an important sign of being able to remain in the non-dual state. While one can have siddhis without enlightenment, enlightenment is invariably accompanied by siddhi. Otherwise you would not have otherthrown duality. Many confuse learning to integrate the non-dual state with full integration of the non-dual state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 9:50 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I believe I said. Above, I was describing my own experience. You snipped the part (without noting it) that made this clear, apparently to make it appear I was making a general statement that you could correct. Yes it was a technique I learned at the Judy Stein Conspiracy Conference, which of course is held secretly. We are all conspiring secretly to undermine you via selective snipping of your emails--but you're just so quick! I've even tried putting in typos to distract you, but to no avail. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For example, is the experience of no I both a necessary and sufficent criteria. Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? Is absence of anger (per many scriptural references) a necessary criteria? Of course I am from the no I school (now if that isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of I would indicate an observing ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. Realization is not an experience. It is not within the domain of either subjective or objective experience. It is not of the mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness. Ego is created as pure consciousness collapses/projects and identifies with a time and space bound experience. The discussion becomes confusing because in avidya there is a confound between consciousness and ego: people think that ego is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm done for now! yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 12:49 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I am from the no I school (now if that isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of I would indicate an observing ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. Realization is not an experience. It is not within the domain of either subjective or objective experience. It is not of the mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness. Ego is created as pure consciousness collapses/projects and identifies with a time and space bound experience. The discussion becomes confusing because in avidya there is a confound between consciousness and ego: people think that ego is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm done for now! Well you can't use mental or yogic cognition to focus on the voidness of all phenomenon as having no real existence--you cannot simultaneously present and maintain attention of superficial truth of any kind, including enlightenment. Even yogic levels of super-subtle mental activity will merely produce appearances which seem to be existent but really are only superficial truth. What is required is clear-light cognition as then one can cognize voidness at the same time producing objects of superficial truth but truly focus on it's non-existent voidness (at the same time). Conceptual cognition will always produces appearances which seem to be truly existing. The same is also true of non-conceptual cognition. It takes a Buddha with omniscience to be able simultaneously sustain clear-light focus on voidness and karmic constructs with both being simultaneously void. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 3:00 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); witnessing can apply to temporary experiences (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term witnessing and full-blown CC, or so I think. I didn't want to be the one to say it, but that is correct IMO. Witnessing is a just symptom of the coming dawn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
