Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
If I am not mistaken - Curtis refers to those, his rant, as incoherent tirades. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:51 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Still smarting, arn'cha, Curtis? Por baby. I think you could use a little renewal yourself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: And still no pat on the head? No passing of the torch from the previously enlightened to the currently enlightened? Robin please take pity on this poor soul. This is the second time since your post that Jim has begged you for just a moment of your time to help him reinforce his sence of special identity. A little collegial high fiving from the perspective of another one,who has risen so far above the rest of us. ( In their own minds.). Even though you have renounced your formal title, please have some compassion on those who still need the velvet robes of specialnessintudinment. We both know why this can never happen don't we? I get it, mums the word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hi, yeah I found Robin's analysis really helpful. As for integrity or lack thereof, all of us have to mature to a point where we see the long term usefulness of integrity. Both recognizing our identity in full, so that we actually know what personal integrity feels like, and maturing somewhat, so that immediate gratification is tempered with self-knowledge, make integrity a value in life. If on the other hand, one is unsure of oneself, emotionally immature, and seeking instant gratification, then integrity is just a definition in a dictionary. So as far as a corruption of one's integrity, that can only occur if integrity is recognized as a value. Everyone pretends to have it, because it is socially acceptable. However, there are a lot of boys running around in men's clothing these days, and to them, everything is merely kid's play. That is why they act, and get treated, like children. Emotional blindness caused by ego tripping. Thy 'Emperor' has no clothes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Robin, I enjoyed both your assessment of Barry's persona earlier on here, and your response to Curtis below. Sane, comprehensive, honest, clear, brilliantly written, deconstructed perfectly, mental molecular gastronomy. :-) It was a very enjoyable process to follow and validate each turn of your mind as you witnessed it. Alive and real. I couldn't agree more (albeit not as eloquently). I can't say I blame Barry's and Curtis's fans for finding Robin's analyses of their heroes...uh...distressing. They were devastatingly accurate. I would have been deeply impressed by Robin's insights even if I had begun lurking on FFL right after Robin left at Christmas, having no idea who he, Curtis, or Barry were, but following the posts of the latter two. As I read the posts from last week, it was disturbing to see the increasing degree of corruption in the posts of several of the most vocal participants here, primarily Barry, Curtis, and navashok. The more they're able to get away with, the more they assume they *can* get away with, so the corruption is progressive. What's equally distressing is that most here *let* them get away with it, either because they don't care, or because they simply aren't perceptive enough to notice. (Corruption = impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Awesome work - snipping out everything irrelevant and letting the pristine, purity of you guys's impartial, disinterested POV's shine through. Good job Barry !!! On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:04 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Robin will you PLEZE pat Ravi on the head. He is dying for your approval, and will not let up on these incoherent tirades till you make him a deputy in crazy town or something. Give him a badge or deputize him, so he can be a happy little Barney Fife for your Andy. (Sorry for the Amero-centric references but the audience I am playing to knows them.) Thanks for the kind (and right on) words, Curtis, and for nailing this situation. The only thing I'd say is that I don't think you go far enough. It's not just Robin that Ravi is desperate for a pat the head from, or just Ravi that is motivated by that. It's the whole lot of them, who seem to get off these days ONLY on being stroked (yes, in that sense, too) by the other members of the Cultist Clique, especially the person they're ALL playing to, who isn't even here this week. I don't know about you, but to me it makes the place even more boring than usual.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
On Mar 24, 2013, at 10:50 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: That you could somehow come out of this perverse, juvenile need for adulation from your pack and that you could stand up on your own, willing to take a strong stand against Barry, azgrey, that you could be somehow a man that could be appreciated for his integrity. Yes I see now. If I exchange the approval of the pack that includes Barry and inexplicably, Azgrey, for the pack that includes Ravi and Judy and Robin, I can be appreciated for my integrity in crazy town. But with Judy as Aunt Bea and you as the hapless Barny Fife and Robin as Andy the sheriff, isn't the only other good part Otis the Drunk? I really don't want to be that obsequious hand wringing barber guy. Cute. What do you say - a disinterested, impartial POV or an incoherent tirade :-). I am never disinterested Ravi. You know that. Nor would I claim Impartiality, that is a myth. Tirade? If I wanted that much drama I would muster something better than this. Andy of Mayberry nonsense. Don't you think? This is your whole shtick here - so sorry doesn't cut it, that you don't posture yourself as disinterested and impartial. You are contradicting everything you have written ever and repeated again the last two days - master of deception under your His Holiness persona. Perhaps something contemporary would help my puzzled mind understand your brilliance and wisdom? You always have created some hope Curtis - regardless of what Judy, Robin and I myself have said in the past. I am always open to see if there's another Curtis that would show up. That you could somehow come out of this perverse, juvenile need for adulation from your pack and that you could stand up on your own, willing to take a strong stand against Barry, azgrey, that you could be somehow a man that could be appreciated for his integrity. No luck - the same old routine, same old moves that you have repeated the last couple of days in response to Robin's post. Sad. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ ...wrote: Funny Curtis - same old bullshit moves, regardless of your clever comments your fucking moves don't work on me - OK? No longer am I another one of the robotic POV's on FFL that you could impartially observe and choose to accept or reject and finetune your POV huh? Give me a fucking break and try your moves on some of the suckers around here. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: ** Intellectual re-compounding. You are FFL's Zelig. Like a Philippine lounge singer you ALMOST sound like Celine Dione. Really, almost. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I like this Curtis - the fact that you don't try to disassemble my post using your patented context shifting moves and with just one fell swoop dismiss my post as an incoherent tirade makes me happy. Good job Ravi - you have hit the mark :-). Ravi don't shoot no blanks. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:14 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: ** Robin will you PLEZE pat Ravi on the head. He is dying for your approval, and will not let up on these incoherent tirades till you make him a deputy in crazy town or something. Give him a badge or deputize him, so he can be a happy little Barney Fife for your Andy. (Sorry for the Amero-centric references but the audience I am playing to knows them.) \ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh Curtis - I have to say this is a really beautiful slick presentation which will make the Steves and Shares of this list break into a spontaneous applause. However remember the old adage - you can't deceive everyone every time. The magic you weave with your tricks, sleight of hand deceptions is a sight to behold. You start off with leveling the play field on FFL for your pal Barry - all the voices on FFL are equaled to a robotic set of POV's devoid of any personal subjectivity of individual posters, devoid of any biases of posters creeping into
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
To: Awoe, as Buck in Dome calls her Dear Missy Ann, I beg of you, please refrain from such undiluted praise of the writing of my client Share F. Long. I'll have you know that I have worked long and hard, steeped in the adoration I bestow on all my clients, attempting to promote her to Hollywood's A list of actresses. If you continue with such lavish blandishments of her forays into this other avenue of artistic endeavor, she may give in to temptation and forego her acting career in favor or favour of this more literary pursuit. Think Carrie Fisher. OTOH, dear lady, I believe you yourself could have a wonderful career here in Hollywood offering workshops in the Art of the Left Handed Compliment. Or the Art of the Backhanded Compliment. I could have my people do some research on those 2 different brandings and see which might work better. As much as I love Tinseltown, I do realize my fellow City of Angels inhabitants can be a bit jaded about such. And I do realize tee hee that my dear Missy Share might be the first in line to take your workshop. Your humble servant, Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III PS If we ever become closer please feel free to call me as my friends do: Tiggy 3. But please, no monogrammed ascots, riding crops or poop scoopers for me. Someday I will explain all. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, The post Share made the other day from her agent declining Share's bit part in the MJ remake of The Lord of the Rings. That didn't even sound at all like Share and I LOVED it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Oh dear Aunt Share, this is not you - the other Share that's destroying your innocent purity. That neurotic b$tch up in Fairfield that's a sweet talking b$tch that hides her delusions behind inane platitudes, visiting every healer, Guru, light worker. She who levels the playing field a la Curtis by her - we all have positive and negative qualities BS. She, like many neurotic birches that I have seen around Amma's cult that accuse men of psychological rape. Yes a little grumpy dear Auntie but you have made me feel better. I love you. Ravi On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: dear Ravi, pray tell, who is this other Share and how dare she join FFL! Though I did not break into applause of any kind, I have been enjoying the posts of Curtis. And those of just about everybody else. As probably just about everybody else has been enjoying mine (-: But why are you picking on Marek? Are you becoming a grumpy boots down there in sunny San Diego? From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, Oh Curtis - I have to say this is a really beautiful slick presentation which will make the Steves and Shares of this list break into a spontaneous applause. However remember the old adage - you can't deceive everyone every time. The magic you weave with your tricks, sleight of hand deceptions is a sight to behold. You start off with leveling the play field on FFL for your pal Barry - all the voices on FFL are equaled to a robotic set of POV's devoid of any personal subjectivity of individual posters, devoid of any biases of posters creeping into their posts. It's all POV's - the voice of Ann is no different from Barry, the posts of Emily no different from azgrey. And you Curtis are this supremely disinterested, impartial poster who is constantly adjusting his POV based on other's POV's. But wait, what do we have here? Well Barry has likes and dislikes as anyone else. Oh you go further - he gives it back good to people who give the poor guy a hard time. And then Judy is someone who directs her toxic energy towards a stranger (you !!) on an internet forum. Robin is an insincere, condescending fool who insults others. Oh boy your theory has completely broken down here. His Holiness is now no impartial, disinterested poster - he is delivering his judgement with impunity. Curtis - you seem to really crave for adulation and praise from your pack of males. It is so perverse and juvenile - this male pack mentality can be forgiven in the teenagers of Steubenville not a bunch of 60 year old's who claim to be philosophers, lawyers, educators, artists. You and Marek are blind to this male pack mentality that is so eager to makeup for the flaws of your pack - the Barry's and azgrey's and their vile filth on FFL - disgusting and pitiful. Your dishonesty and deviousness is sickening. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Surely you mean sugar maples rather than birches smiley face hugs From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, Oh dear Aunt Share, this is not you - the other Share that's destroying your innocent purity. That neurotic b$tch up in Fairfield that's a sweet talking b$tch that hides her delusions behind inane platitudes, visiting every healer, Guru, light worker. She who levels the playing field a la Curtis by her - we all have positive and negative qualities BS. She, like many neurotic birches that I have seen around Amma's cult that accuse men of psychological rape. Yes a little grumpy dear Auntie but you have made me feel better. I love you. Ravi On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: dear Ravi, pray tell, who is this other Share and how dare she join FFL! Though I did not break into applause of any kind, I have been enjoying the posts of Curtis. And those of just about everybody else. As probably just about everybody else has been enjoying mine (-: But why are you picking on Marek? Are you becoming a grumpy boots down there in sunny San Diego? From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, Oh Curtis - I have to say this is a really beautiful slick presentation which will make the Steves and Shares of this list break into a spontaneous applause. However remember the old adage - you can't deceive everyone every time. The magic you weave with your tricks, sleight of hand deceptions is a sight to behold. You start off with leveling the play field on FFL for your pal Barry - all the voices on FFL are equaled to a robotic set of POV's devoid of any personal subjectivity of individual posters, devoid of any biases of posters creeping into their posts. It's all POV's - the voice of Ann is no different from Barry, the posts of Emily no different from azgrey. And you Curtis are this supremely disinterested, impartial poster who is constantly adjusting his POV based on other's POV's. But wait, what do we have here? Well Barry has likes and dislikes as anyone else. Oh you go further - he gives it back good to people who give the poor guy a hard time. And then Judy is someone who directs her toxic energy towards a stranger (you !!) on an internet forum. Robin is an insincere, condescending fool who insults others. Oh boy your theory has completely broken down here. His Holiness is now no impartial, disinterested poster - he is delivering his judgement with impunity. Curtis - you seem to really crave for adulation and praise from your pack of males. It is so perverse and juvenile - this male pack mentality can be forgiven in the teenagers of Steubenville not a bunch of 60 year old's who claim to be philosophers, lawyers, educators, artists. You and Marek are blind to this male pack mentality that is so eager to makeup for the flaws of your pack - the Barry's and azgrey's and their vile filth on FFL - disgusting and pitiful. Your dishonesty and deviousness is sickening. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you can walk into someone's house and come to understand, on some level, many aspects of their personality, their priorities, their tastes, what is valued and what isn't. Everything about what we do and wear and eat and read and watch tell the world about us. So my point is, you don't have to talk about a subject directly to come to understand how someone thinks about that subject. Granted, it can be the most direct way but words are easy to come by and actions and reactions under certain conditions can tell us much about another's beliefs. (I am trying not to talk specifically about Barry here and it may be coming out a bit unclear. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.) He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. I guess we don't hold the same lofty view of Robin's intellect. I don't hold a lofty view of Robin's intellect. I think he sees the world in a different way than I see it. I am open to figuring out if that way, in each form that it expresses itself under many different circumstances, is valid or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
LG baby - I think you will be better off if you search the archives and read the art of irony as expounded by Robin, 'cause seriously your lame, retarded attempt at irony is pretty pathetic. Where did you say you were from again - South or North Carolina? (Oh God - I beg you, please let it be NC). On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! (LJB in full prostrate e-position with e-hands touching His Holiness' e-feet) If I may humbly offer a word of advice Your Worshipfulness? (Permission granted by an e-tap to the e-head) Don't make the devotee into the Devoted; it is too much of a burden for one to bare and I am unworthy. (An e-nod of His e-head) And don't be afraid to say what You really think. (E-eyes widen with understanding as LJB awkwardly backs away remaining in full prostrate e-position) On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you can walk into someone's house and come to understand, on some level, many aspects of their personality, their priorities, their tastes, what is valued and what isn't. Everything about what we do and wear and eat and read and watch tell the world about us. So my point is, you don't have to talk about a subject directly to come to understand how someone thinks about that subject. Granted, it can be the most direct way but words are easy to come by and actions and reactions under certain conditions can tell us much about another's beliefs. (I am trying not to talk specifically about Barry here and it may be coming out a bit unclear. I hope you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Oh LG, I take everything back. I should have never gotten mad at you - I apologize. You are from NC? You hit me at my sensitive spot - have two friends with connections there, both sweet, sensitive women, authentic unlike my neurotic aunt. No LG, I'm good - we are cool. On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:12 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Archives??? You mean there are archives here at FFL where anything the anyone has written, even when they make total asses of themselves, is kept forever and ever??? Please say it isn't true! North Carolina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - I think you will be better off if you search the archives and read the art of irony as expounded by Robin, 'cause seriously your lame, retarded attempt at irony is pretty pathetic. Where did you say you were from again - South or North Carolina? (Oh God - I beg you, please let it be NC). On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! (LJB in full prostrate e-position with e-hands touching His Holiness' e-feet) If I may humbly offer a word of advice Your Worshipfulness? (Permission granted by an e-tap to the e-head) Don't make the devotee into the Devoted; it is too much of a burden for one to bare and I am unworthy. (An e-nod of His e-head) And don't be afraid to say what You really think. (E-eyes widen with understanding as LJB awkwardly backs away remaining in full prostrate e-position) On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Agree !!! We will always choose the clarity, brevity of Guru Xeno's inane platitudes and the clarity, brevity of His Holiness Curtis's devious disinterestedness. Fuck complexities - fuck all life's baffling, bewildering, puzzling contradictions. Let's all numb our pain, fears, insecurities thus. Hail to Guru Xeno and His Holiness Curtis !!! On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Your recent posts have been a model of clarity Curtis. I am working on a tablet with an onscreen keyboard, requiring brevity. I think Robin would benefit from being sentenced to using an iPhone or similar device (without voice control or physical keyboard) for a few years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Curtis: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. AWB: Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. Curtis: I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. Robin2: Curtis, you did not address A's point whatsoever. Does it seem true that, over the years, Barry's antipathy (as he expresses it) towards someone correlates significantly with the extent to which that person contradicts Barry? I think it does. A made a simple declaration of this fact. Me: I don't think it is factual. There is zero back and forth discussion going on between Barry and his detractors. So I believe the weight is more on personal attack. You and Ann see it differently. OK. I don't have to claim that you are being deceptive because you see it differently. You are missing the point that I disagree with Barry on many things and we get along fine. R: You have chosen to ignore the substance of what she said, turning it inside-out: Now it's others who are being accused of what A implied was a self-evident fact. This is cunning and deceptive. Why not just address A's point: Does Barry allow himself to separate an argument from the person who is making that argument, if that argument challenges what he believes? I have not seen him do this. And show me where someone, gratuitously, prejudicially, attacks Barry personally. You know what Barry does; you have turned A's point around *without even attempting to take on what she said. This is a classic manoeuvre on your part, Curtis. ME: And you are turning a disagreement into a accusatory insult. Barry would not have responded to what you wrote, but I am. I don't need to take on what she said. Her opinion of Barry is not something I need to argue about. Remember I know Barry differently than you guys. I have zero interest in your take on him. I am presenting mine, take it or leave it. And by the way, if you choose to answer this post, you will do the same to the very point I am making right here. Watch for it. ME: The Robin set-up. Does that really provide you intellectual satisfaction? It is so lame and intellectually lazy. I am presenting my view which is different from yours and does not conform to the tiny conditions you tried to fit me into. I don't need to argue with you about if people attack Barry personally with your added contrived criteria of gratuitously, prejudicially,. That is your spin. I already said that Barry often starts it, so your point is irrelevant. If you want to understand my views you are going to have to go beyond the accusatory double bind set-ups that accuse me of nefarious agendas. AWB:His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. Curtis: He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) Robin2: Again, Curtis, you sidestep the very essence of what A is saying. Now I ask you, Curtis, Does Barry like personal challenges coming from others? M: I would say he has a much lower threshold for this here than I do. R: If we are to judge by his reaction (see my analysis of him), it would seem A is drawing an objective conclusion based on the data. ME; And once again you are trying to elevate a personal opinion to being more than that. R: You are so doubting in the matter of the integrity of your friend that you will refuse, systematically, to defend him on the merits of attempting to come to terms with
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
LOL..Steve you are cracking me up, you clearly have trouble abiding by our rules - that thou shall not analyze people's motivations. Perhaps looking at the following list may help you focus better. Here's the list of things you have come up analyzing my motives - this is just in the recent past 1) Ravi craves attention and adulation (This post) (That would be actually your hero/pack leader - His Holiness Curtis) 2) Ravi should free himself from any remants(sic) of British Imperialism in his mind and express himself in a more liberated way (Yesterday) (This really cracked me up but I didn't have time to reply) 3) Ravi is stressed out working in a cubicle (Last week) 4) Ravi is stressed out being single (Last week) 5) Ravi is eager to peddle a list of beliefs (Last week + This post) 6) Ravi fashions himself as a Guru (Last week + This post + Last 3 years) (He better get out of the damn cubicle..LOL) 7) Ravi is a suspected murderer (of his girlfriend) (Few weeks back) (Not at all compatible with #6, LOL) OK that's all I have now Stevie baby. I may add more - but this should help I promise. As always - I love you like a brother. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! Easy Ravi baby, easy. I think you are becoming a little (more than usual) unhinged here. Somebody, somebody, give little Ravi a pat on the head, or deputize him (as has been suggested), or give him SOME attention of some kind. Okay, I will. Hey Ravi, you are really an awesome guy! When you walk into a room, EVERYONE turns their head and remarks what a presence has just arrived. See everyone crowding around you to hear your pearls of wisdom. Whew! Will that suffice for now Ravi? On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. He expressed his dislike for you and Robin before any of that happened. ( His objection to my use of dislike here is noted.) If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. I might have to see an example of this. I am more familiar with the predictable Barry is bad meme that flows freely here. I see more actual personal attacks than a challenge to beliefs. And I am not denying that he both gives as good as he gets and sometime initiates the insult cycle as he did with you and Robin. But since then the nature of your posts about him have been more insult to belief challenging as has Robin's. Barry aside and generally speaking I think when one challenges someone it can take many forms. It can come across as insulting, it can come across as inappropriate or harsh. One can challenge beliefs by poking at the character of a man. You can expose or reveal something about someone by using the back door. A conversation doesn't have to be about how someone feels about Buddhism, for example, to figure out how Buddhist someone is in their life. Just like you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Nope - Guru Xeno needs that, not me. Guru Xeno - a dead man with dead beliefs, of dead words, of platitudes, of philosophy, of stupid apps. I always want to get better, I am always learning - never happy with myself, I am a perfectionist, always looking for more data to learn something new. I never want to be caught frozen, immobile by any set of beliefs. I always want to be spontaneous, want my words to be a performance, should touch the person I am interacting with. I respond with total sincerity or total insincerity. With sincerity is the nice, humble guy who loves unconditionally or the arrogant guy who humiliates in pure unconditioned anger. Within the insincerity is the irony, sarcasm and playful humor and I don't know how I will respond - so there, that's it - the truth. So give up your quest for analyzing my motives. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:42 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Ravi, You've got me here. I had an insult all planned out for what I anticipated to be your reply, but you've thrown me for a loop here. Now, tell me, have you been tinkering with that new condensed text app? Go ahead, tell me the truth. I'm giving you this round Ravi. Well done. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LOL..Steve you are cracking me up, you clearly have trouble abiding by our rules - that thou shall not analyze people's motivations. Perhaps looking at the following list may help you focus better. Here's the list of things you have come up analyzing my motives - this is just in the recent past 1) Ravi craves attention and adulation (This post) (That would be actually your hero/pack leader - His Holiness Curtis) 2) Ravi should free himself from any remants(sic) of British Imperialism in his mind and express himself in a more liberated way (Yesterday) (This really cracked me up but I didn't have time to reply) 3) Ravi is stressed out working in a cubicle (Last week) 4) Ravi is stressed out being single (Last week) 5) Ravi is eager to peddle a list of beliefs (Last week + This post) 6) Ravi fashions himself as a Guru (Last week + This post + Last 3 years) (He better get out of the damn cubicle..LOL) 7) Ravi is a suspected murderer (of his girlfriend) (Few weeks back) (Not at all compatible with #6, LOL) OK that's all I have now Stevie baby. I may add more - but this should help I promise. As always - I love you like a brother. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear LG - you are awesome, your brilliance shines through. I am on the same page as you, I think Ann loves this exchange where her doubts are totally clarified by the impartial, disinterested POV of Curtis. I think she will be a fan of Curtis's belief in epistemological purity of neuroscience soon !!! Easy Ravi baby, easy. I think you are becoming a little (more than usual) unhinged here. Somebody, somebody, give little Ravi a pat on the head, or deputize him (as has been suggested), or give him SOME attention of some kind. Okay, I will. Hey Ravi, you are really an awesome guy! When you walk into a room, EVERYONE turns their head and remarks what a presence has just arrived. See everyone crowding around you to hear your pearls of wisdom. Whew! Will that suffice for now Ravi? On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:00 AM, laughinggull108 no_reply@...: Curtis Ann, I just wanted to say that I'm *lovin'* this conversation...so rational, so calm, so from the heart, so real, so intelligent, so everthing. I hope all conversations here aspire to this level. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for this comprehensive reply. Although on one level it seems to be all about Barry it isn't really and it has gone past that into more interesting territory. I'd like to touch on some of what that territory is below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. I don't see a lot of people not agreeing with Barry. I see a lot of people attacking him personally. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. Tell me about it, Barry is too intellectually, emotionally stunted and retarded to watch Robin's brilliance - his intelligence, wit, irony, sensitivity, love. Is this even a topic of discussion - that Barry has tools to deal with Robin? God I hope not...LOL. On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or old. When he hits the property line, where the boundaries end, he stops dead. And those boundaries are those determined by his own limitations of self. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. I don't think so Curtis. Many people have pretty good ideas of how Barry functions but Robin's today took the proverbial cake; it was far and away the most sophisticated reading of the man and one that you might have a chance of comprehending but Barry never will for, if he could, it would disprove what Robin wrote and what I have just said. Not that we said or are saying the same thing. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. You can't generalize like this. I, for one, am always open to reading someone's post for what new tone or attitude might emerge. I have ideas about what people are like here but I am happy to be surprised
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Good God, Xeno! Sorry for religious term but I don't know how else to express my flabbergastedness. Thank you so much for translation too. I wasn't able to find a good translator online. They would translate a few words then revert to Latin. Very vexing. Ok, I'll simply fumble along, not really adding much, but simply want to say that this IMHO has got to be not only one of your best writings but also one of the best writings to Robin that I have seen. I appreciate how you're clear but also nuanced and rich in your expressions. I appreciate how you're challenging without being confrontational or mean spirited. Last but not least I appreciate your touch of humor with the kidney stones image. I think I'm more than a little envious of your writing acumen in this post. I shall now shut up and go shovel snow for the umpteenth time this year. Ann, where are you when I need you and your shovel? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality. [This would mean being able to trust implicitly in the deliverances of my first person ontology--that they are in agreement with the way things really are.] It's very hard, feste--as you can see from my intemperate and irrational outburst against BW. I am trying to find the self that is better than the Self. And, as you know, I am a very humble man. But Christ! it ain't easy. Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium, mihi crede, opus est, ut non duritia, non audacia, non cupiditate inanis gloriae, non superstitiosa credulitate fiat in homine nihil timere. Hine enim fit illud etiam solidum guadium nullis omnino laetitiis ulla ex particula conferendum. Augustine: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things is, believe me, essential before a man can develop that fearlessness in the face of death which is based neither on insensibility nor on foolhardy presumption, neither on the desire for empty glory nor on superstitious credulity. It is that which is the origin of that solid joy with which no pleasure from any transitory source is in any way to be compared. Still seeking enlightenment by any other name, Robin. I think you're approaching this backwards. 'With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality.' In a world view of gods and men, the gods rule, man is subjugated. You cannot get the totality to bow to the demands of a part. You cannot have your objective reality as long as 'you' are a part of it. In religious terms (which I tend to despise in actuality), you need to give up the ghost of your personal ontology, you cannot make a jumble of ideas that are called a personal 'self' a reality. Personal ontology is a useful conceptual vehicle for acting in the world, but it is mythological, it's a narrative, its not an entity, it is not actually real. You are trying to use a fictitious vehicle to understand reality. Your 'self' is like a massive impacted mass of kidney stones. It's your spiritual blockade. It is in your way at every turn. Forget trying to understand why Barry rejects you so wholeheartedly; your 'personal self', your ego, is nothing to him. Nobody's is (unless she has a bold personality and certain topographical contours perhaps). Your rejection of unity is based on the same problem, that 'you' were in unity. Nobody is in unity. The whole, whatever you call it, God as you would like to have it, is its own thing by itself. When the personal ontology drops away, the whole reveals itself, not because now you have achieved something and it decides to show you, but because it is always there and the crap has floated away, and so naturally, it can then be appreciated. Robin Carlsen is so dear to you. Robin Carlsen has to die. That's it. I think you best pen pal here would be Curtis. But those discussions always go awry because whatever Robin is seen to be in your mind, that Robin is the centre. If you want to be religious about it, put God in the centre and lay Robin to rest. The nature of God might then express itself through that body with the name Robin, but not through 'you'. Personal ontology and spiritual maturity are not compatible. 'Although you perform many works, if you do not deny your will and submit yourself, losing all solicitude about yourself and your affairs, you will not make progress.' - St. John of the Cross 'Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things'. Why do you come back onto FFL?
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When I was doing the MA in SCI, a classmate and I both noticed a big difference going to bed at 9:15 rather than 9:30. So we asked our Sanskrit prof Tom Egenes about it and he said that there's something in the Vedic literature about every 15 min before 10 pm being the equivalent of an hour of sleep. And does anyone remember the famous quote attributed to Triguna: that if we all went to bed at 8:30 we wouldn't even need ayurveda? I have 2 acqaintenances who did this for a while and they both looked radiant. I've done it when I've felt an illness coming on and it seems to nip it in the bud. I'm an early riser no matter what time I go to bed and I tend to wake up at least once during the night. So early bedtime is a good habit for me though I realize it's not even necessary for others much less preferred. This past year I read a fascinating article about sleep habits and our cave people ancestors. That they went to bed early, woke in the middle of the night and did stuff, then went back to bed for another chunk of sleeping time. So it might be hardwired into us. Knowing this made me a lot more relaxed about my sleep habits. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Was a good lecture. Extremely well spoken story of his [LB's] lifetime with FF and TM and his really nice resolution. Looked at as a FF communitarian it was proly unfortunate that it was heard by only a small subset of the larger community. Nothing was said that could not have been heard by and been helpful to a lot more people. I probably would have enjoyed it, and I hope it was recorded. But, with my life so completely focused on Vedic purity, I was in bed by 9pm and unable to attend. 9PM is truly impressive, a goal I could never achieve even on Purusha now using living in a city as a lame excuse. When then do you rise ? Depends on how quickly I fall asleep and whether my sleep is interrupted during the night. In a perfect night, I sleep ~7 hours straight. So, if I fall quickly to sleep and don't wake up during the night, I'll get up between 4 and 5 am. Most of the time, I get up between 5 and 6 am. On crappy sleep nights, I get up at 7 am; regardless of how little or crappy my sleep is, my body won't really sleep beyond 7 am. Needless to say, this isn't a TM/Vedic thing for me. I'm a naturally hard-wired morning person, and going to bed early greatly improves my quality of life.
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Does any one know LB's Tel # I would like to talk to him as an old supporting friend now in Buffalo NY have missed our talks when he I were in FF IA. He was the 1 who 1 St opened my eyes to the movement being like as Ashram or rather the MIU being such. I am deeply indebted to him 4 such read all his news prints they are of quality germain today 4 the most part. In a message dated 3/22/2013 10:12:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Was a good lecture. Extremely well spoken story of his [LB's] lifetime with FF and TM and his really nice resolution. Looked at as a FF communitarian it was proly unfortunate that it was heard by only a small subset of the larger community. Nothing was said that could not have been heard by and been helpful to a lot more people. I probably would have enjoyed it, and I hope it was recorded. But, with my life so completely focused on Vedic purity, I was in bed by 9pm and unable to attend. Yeah, funny thing is that it was proactive women in the larger FF community that managed getting it video recorded. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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I'm with you on this one, Curtis. If celibacy comes naturally, with no thought or strain, then fine. But most people need to have sex and guess what, it has no impact on your evolution at all. People can be so unsimple and so un-natural in the TMO. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
