Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Jerry: Nisargadatta? Is this a guru? I goodled him and that's what it seems? Extreme non-dual guy. Died, I think, in the early 90's. Where Ramana was sweet, Nisargadatta was a hard bastard! There are several books out of his dialogs. He liked to smoke bidis. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/6/06 6:15 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the need to point out the cowhig, dector and wilson raised and lost millions and millions of $$ from gullible sidhas for their governors business. Really poor ethics from what I saw. I know one guy who ³invested² his whole inheritance over $300K. Now he¹s broke. In defense of these guys, they had to comply with US law and disclose the extreme risk of their venture capital venture, yes? It wasn't like they conned people or anything. If I remember correctly they had some sort of a oil from shale proposal. If Ru investors weren't so naive and believed in support of nature regardless of the soundness of the business plan maybe they wouldn't have lost their money. Now, if the partners touted the I'm-a-ru-and-in-tune-with-natural-law-and-can't-make-a-mistake angle then that would be pretty bad. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/7/06 7:57 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:groups%40searchsummit.com wrote: on 8/6/06 6:15 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:markmeredith%40lisco.com wrote: I feel the need to point out the cowhig, dector and wilson raised and lost millions and millions of $$ from gullible sidhas for their governors business. Really poor ethics from what I saw. I know one guy who invested his whole inheritance over $300K. Now hes broke. In defense of these guys, they had to comply with US law and disclose the extreme risk of their venture capital venture, yes? It wasn't like they conned people or anything. If I remember correctly they had some sort of a oil from shale proposal. If Ru investors weren't so naive and believed in support of nature regardless of the soundness of the business plan maybe they wouldn't have lost their money. Now, if the partners touted the I'm-a-ru-and-in-tune-with-natural-law-and-can't-make-a-mistake angle then that would be pretty bad. They were pretty aggressive in raising venture capital. If they had been really ethical, shouldnt they have asked that fellow about his overall financial situation before allowing him to invest his entire inheritance in the venture? Other investment guys do that, and some require that people verify their net worth before investing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/7/06 10:31 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didrik and Patrick Blad and another brother Dont know. What I heard was that Didrik and Patrick Blad turned to Saj Baba after leaving MMY. Ingegerd Probably so, since most of the Swedish movement seems to have done so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:01 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the first indications that all was not cool in the Emerald City was when I was still flying and a chiropractor took my back X-rays after I had thrown my back out. He said " So how long have you been jogging?" I explained to him how I was practicing flying and he explained to me the implications on my vertebrae by sitting in full lotus and bouncing on my butt, even on foam. He showed me how that posture actually takes you butt cheeks away from protecting the spine during flying so that I was compressing my discs. It was very visible, my bottom discs were compressed like a marathon runners. He tried to explain the implications of my behavior but, of course, I was too enlightened for his advise at the time. I don't know if discs can recover from such a stress but my back is great these days from all the core training workouts I do so I can't assess if I sustained any long term damage. What was interesting for me was that I saw my compressed discs at the time and still continued to practice flying until I got out of the mindset that I was doing cosmic good for myself. I remember the sickening feeling that perhaps MMY and his crew did not understand the implications of his program on people's backs and I might have set myself up for a very painful old age. Exactly my experience too. Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and using people as guinea pigs.In traditional yogic flying, the entire first stage is from a standing, bent-knee position and done as a step/jump kinda thing. Instead of injuring one, it builds strength, stamina and numeorus yogic benefits. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 1:04 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the first indications that all was not cool in the Emerald City was when I was still flying and a chiropractor took my back X-rays after I had thrown my back out. He said " So how long have you been jogging?" I explained to him how I was practicing flying and he explained to me the implications on my vertebrae by sitting in full lotus and bouncing on my butt, even on foam. He showed me how that posture actually takes you butt cheeks away from protecting the spine during flying so that I was compressing my discs. It was very visible, my bottom discs were compressed like a marathon runners. He tried to explain the implications of my behavior but, of course, I was too enlightened for his advise at the time. I don't know if discs can recover from such a stress but my back is great these days from all the core training workouts I do so I can't assess if I sustained any long term damage. What was interesting for me was that I saw my compressed discs at the time and still continued to practice flying until I got out of the mindset that I was doing cosmic good for myself. I remember the sickening feeling that perhaps MMY and his crew did not understand the implications of his program on people's backs and I might have set myself up for a very painful old age. Time will tell I guess. FWIW, unlike many people I know who are my age (and even younger), I do not have any lower back problems. And I'm a *very* active hopper. Never had a sore butt or injured knees from hopping, either. You must have a really big ass. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:01 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the first indications that all was not cool in the Emerald Citywas when I was still flying and a chiropractor took my back X-raysafter I had thrown my back out. He said " So how long have you beenjogging?" I explained to him how I was practicing flying and heexplained to me the implications on my vertebrae by sitting in fulllotus and bouncing on my butt, even on foam. He showed me how thatposture actually takes you butt cheeks away from protecting the spineduring flying so that I was compressing my discs. It was veryvisible, my bottom discs were compressed like a marathon runners. Hetried to explain the implications of my behavior but, of course, I wastoo enlightened for his advise at the time. I don't know if discs canrecover from such a stress but my back is great these days from allthe core training workouts I do so I can't assess if I sustained anylong term damage. What was interesting for me was that I saw mycompressed discs at the time and still continued to practice flyinguntil I got out of the mindset that I was doing cosmic good formyself. I remember the sickening feeling that perhaps MMY and hiscrew did not understand the implications of his program on people'sbacks and I might have set myself up for a very painful old age. Exactly my experience too. Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and using people as guinea pigs.In traditional yogic flying, the entire first stage is from a standing, bent-knee position and done as a step/jump kinda thing. Instead of injuring one, it builds strength, stamina and numeorus yogic benefits. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:"Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and using people as guinea pigs. In traditional yogic flying, the entire first stage is from a standing, bent-knee position and done as a step/jump kinda thing. Instead of injuring one, it builds strength, stamina and numeorus yogic benefits." Very interesting. It sounds more like martial arts movements. It's combined with a style of yogic running. In many old Tibetan biographies--of course this was before telegraph, radio or telephone--the Tibetan kings used yogic runners/flyers to dispatch messages. There are contemporary accounts of witnesses who've seen these yogis, called "lung gompas": "air yogis".The training does resemble, in some aspects, martial arts training, where moving asanas are linked to breathing and visualization.Lung-gom-pa Runners of TibetThe Marathon monks of Japan are quite similar to the Lung-gom-pa runners of old Tibet. There have been many records kept of these amazing running monks who appear to fly when they run. Across grassy plains, they seem to float apparently in a trance. They are said to travel nonstop for forty-eight hours or more and can cover more than 200 miles a day. Many are said to be faster than horses and at times they were used to convey messages across a country.In order to qualify as a lung-gom-pa runner, the trainee must first learn to master seated meditation. They had lots of emphasis on breath control and visualization techniques. They had to be able to imagine their own bodies as being light as a feather.Other techniques they had to master required them to watch a single star in the sky intently for days, never allowing themselves to be distracted. When they have attained this ability of moving meditation, they are able to fly like the wind.The term "lung-gom" is used for the kind of training that develops uncommon nimbleness and gives them the ability to make extraordinarily long tramps with amazing rapidity. They run at a rapid pace without ever having to stop for days. They do not run short, quick races but have the ability to go far distances in a quick amount of time."The Way of the White Clouds" by Lama Anagarika Govinda explains that the word Lung, pronounced rlun, signifies the state of air as well as vital energy or psychic force. Gom means meditation, contemplation, concentration of mind and soul upon a certain subject. It has to do with the emptying of one’s mind of all subject-object relationships. This means that a lung-gom-pa runner is not a man who has the ability to fly through air, but one who can control his energy, re-channel and concentrate it in a new direction. These lung-gom-pa runners follow the ancient practice of pranayama. They follow the idea of completely anonymity and therefore no one is allowed to talk to them or see any part of their bodies. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 12:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 6, 2006, at 10:01 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: One of the first indications that all was not cool in the Emerald City was when I was still flying and a chiropractor took my back X- rays after I had thrown my back out. He said " So how long have you been jogging?" I explained to him how I was practicing flying and he explained to me the implications on my vertebrae by sitting in full lotus and bouncing on my butt, even on foam. He showed me how that posture actually takes you butt cheeks away from protecting the spine during flying so that I was compressing my discs. It was very visible, my bottom discs were compressed like a marathon runners. He tried to explain the implications of my behavior but, of course, I was too enlightened for his advise at the time. I don't know if discs can recover from such a stress but my back is great these days from all the core training workouts I do so I can't assess if I sustained any long term damage. What was interesting for me was that I saw my compressed discs at the time and still continued to practice flying until I got out of the mindset that I was doing cosmic good for myself. I remember the sickening feeling that perhaps MMY and his crew did not understand the implications of his program on people's backs and I might have set myself up for a very painful old age. Exactly my experience too. Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and using people as guinea pigs. In traditional yogic flying, Huh? There's a Yogic Flying Tradition One that goes back before 1976 and the TMO? Sure, I understand there was yogic flying in the caves and the rare monastery in India probably always...and back in the Vedic period thousands of years ago...but there was an on-going Yogic Flying Tradition in India? Please tell me more about it... Not much I can say. There's extant traditions in the anuttara tantras. Have you ever heard of Udhilipa? His tradition continues. As do others.THE SIDDHA UDHILIPATHE Flying Siddha"Following after wandering thought is madness; Resisting that tendency habitual karma is restrained. Abiding nowhere, mind is centered; Nothing is to be found by seeking elsewhere."By virtue of his previous generosity, an aristocrat of Devikotta possessed a vast fortune. In the luxury of his palace he enjoy every pleasure that his imagination could conjure. Gazing from window one day, he watched five-colored clouds forming various animal shapes, and continuing to look he saw a swan and fly across the sky. "What a joy it would be to fly!" he thought himself, and he became obsessed with the idea. When the Guru Kanaripa came to his palace to beg alms, he offered him the food he could provide and then entreated the yogin to teach him fly. He made prostration to him and offered him the price of the teaching.Karnaripa gave him initiation into the Catuspitha-mahayogini-tantra and told him to visit the Twenty-four Great Power Places collect the twenty-four panaceas of the twenty-four Dakinis recite the mantras of the Dãkinis ten thousand times each.The pilgrim accomplished that task, and then he went back Karnaripa and asked him how to prepare the elixir. "First place the panaceas in a copper pot, then in a silver pot and finally in a golden pot. Then you will be able to fly," the yogin told him.After twelve years the elixir was perfected, and through his arduous preparation he could fly through the sky. He became know as Udhilipa, The Flying Siddha. After proclaiming his realization bodily attained the Dakini's Paradise.SãdhanaWe cannot be sure whether Udhilipa was given an esoteric interpretation of Karnaripa's precepts. He may have criss-crossed India in an extended pilgrimage, and as a method of maturing the mind-stream such a kriyayoga practice is incomparably effective, but anuttarayoga-tantra purists would despise such a course, insisting on a hathayoga interpretation. The Catuspitha-mahayogini-tantra, a sahajayãna text, treats the four power places (catuspitha) as the four upper cakras, naming the atmapitha, parapitha, yogapitha and guhyapitha. The twenty-four pithas) are the minor junctions or cakras in the Body of Samvara (Heruka). Each of the eight spokes of the heart cakra, which carry the materializing energies of the five elements and the five sense objects, divided into three--red, white and blue--channels, connecting the heart center with the twenty-four pithas. The twenty-four pithas ha are divided into three mandalas of eight each, mai lalas of Body. Speech and Mind. >From each of the twenty-four cakras, three channels diverge, each of those seventy-two channels dividing into a thousand capillary channels; thus the twenty-four internal power places are control boxes for the entire
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Yeah, that book's a classic. Alexandra David-Neel also has a nice written account of coming across a lung-gompa in her one book. There are also some on this list who have witnessed them.On Aug 6, 2006, at 1:40 PM, wayback71 wrote:One book I found wonderful years ago is called Way of the White Clouds by Lama Anagarika Govinda - he was a Westerner who was Buddhist and spent a good deal of time in Tibet in the 1930's and 40's as I recall. He witnessed the lung-gom-pa runners and reports on the wonderful art and traditions beore the Chinese came in. I think his wife was specialist on Tibertan art and so they travelled from monastery to monastery to see and record the art. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:03 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:Great story! It sounds like you had the MMY job with Guru Dev for a while, reading his mail, how interesting. Paul Marashall, who was an M initiator, told me that he asked MMY about non M initiators teaching monks and priests with the householder set of mantras. MMY told him "Just let them use those mantras and we'll pray that they will work!" Paul was a little tweaked that MMY didn't seem to be taking his own system's distinctions seriously. Shows you how "real" it all is/was. A lot of spin, and we all "bought it". Literally.Swami Rama's lineage comes from the same line as M.: dandi guru who was a Shank., also a student of SBS and a Sri Vidya adept. They insist mantra initiation must be 1) free and 2) personalized, not canned. In fact in some cases, they change mantras based on individual circumstances. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 1:44 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you were referring to the MIU geniuses who claimed that I had never meditated correctly after I left the movement. Curtis, I do not remember if I repeated this incident here at FFL. When Mahesh first asked me to do his letters, I started by reading them to him. One of the first was from some guy who said he was saying his mantra backwards and having visions of demons. He actually asked what to do!! Mahesh laughed and said it didn't matter, just to continue. This reminds me of a story one of Ammas swamis told this summer. He was reading her letters to her, and after reading 10 or so, he heard her laugh and make a funny sound, so he looked up and saw that she was reading a comic book. The funny noise was something that had been written in the book. He said, hey, shouldnt you be paying attention to your mail? She then proceeded to tell him in detail what had been in the letters he had read. Then, she told him in detail what was in the letters he hadnt opened yet. Then he said, why do you bother having me read these if you already know whats in them? She answered that when people write them, they expect her to read them, and would feel bad if she didnt. There was another cool omniscience story that someone told me. One of Ammas swamis who stays in the US much of the year had what he called a negative thought. He didnt tell anyone about it. About three months later, he came to Amma, and she began teasing him about his negative thought in front of the other swamis. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:18 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:I really dug his book with the section on meeting Guru Dev. I visited his place in Honesdale PA once in the Summer between MIU years. Never got to meet him though. Did you know him? Only in passing. I studied under his Patanjali pundit. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: "Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and using people as guinea pigs. In traditional yogic flying, the entire first stage is from a standing, bent-knee position and done as a step/jump kinda thing. Instead of injuring one, it builds strength, stamina and numeorus yogic benefits." Very interesting. It sounds more like martial arts movements. It's combined with a style of yogic running. In many old Tibetan biographies--of course this was before telegraph, radio or telephone-- the Tibetan kings used yogic runners/flyers to dispatch messages. There are contemporary accounts of witnesses who've seen these yogis, called "lung gompas": "air yogis". The training does resemble, in some aspects, martial arts training, where moving asanas are linked to breathing and visualization. Lung-gom-pa Runners of Tibet The Marathon monks of Japan are quite similar to the Lung-gom-pa runners of old Tibet. There have been many records kept of these amazing running monks who appear to fly when they run. Across grassy plains, they seem to float apparently in a trance. They are said to travel nonstop for forty-eight hours or more and can cover more than 200 miles a day. Many are said to be faster than horses and at times they were used to convey messages across a country. In order to qualify as a lung-gom-pa runner, the trainee must first learn to master seated meditation. They had lots of emphasis on breath control and visualization techniques. They had to be able to imagine their own bodies as being light as a feather. Other techniques they had to master required them to watch a single star in the sky intently for days, never allowing themselves to be distracted. When they have attained this ability of moving meditation, they are able to fly like the wind. The term "lung-gom" is used for the kind of training that develops uncommon nimbleness and gives them the ability to make extraordinarily long tramps with amazing rapidity. They run at a rapid pace without ever having to stop for days. They do not run short, quick races but have the ability to go far distances in a quick amount of time. "The Way of the White Clouds" by Lama Anagarika Govinda explains that the word Lung, pronounced rlun, signifies the state of air as well as vital energy or psychic force. Gom means meditation, contemplation, concentration of mind and soul upon a certain subject. It has to do with the emptying of one's mind of all subject-object relationships. This means that a lung-gom-pa runner is not a man who has the ability to fly through air, but one who can control his energy, re- channel and concentrate it in a new direction. These lung-gom-pa runners follow the ancient practice of pranayama. They follow the idea of completely anonymity and therefore no one is allowed to talk to them or see any part of their bodies. This sounds like an interesting technique, but has nothing to do with the flying technique from Patanjali. Actually the lineal method of Patanjali and this are similar in the key points. Mahesh's "technique" (the TMSP) is actually the variant. Much of the technique is *not* in the text of Patanjali or the commentaries; they are taught orally and use other texts. Unless one has a teacher skilled in these matters, one would miss it completely, because it's simply not there. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 2:53 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerbal, Im curious who you are. I presume youre maintaining anonymity intentionally. Are you on this list of MMYs personal secretaries?: Dr. Hyslop ended up with Sai Baba Charlie Lutes Jerry Jarvis - he did it intermittently and sporadically. (he would grab the skin and displace whoever was doing it every chance he got... mark landaus comment John Black Poland Spring, Estes Park Rob McCutcheon Mallorca Casey Coleman - Mallorca Ned Wynn - Mallorca -- did Ned do it earlier even than john black? he didn't do it much in mallorca2 Billy Clayton Mallorca/Fiuggi Louis Dyson Mallorca/Fiuggi Shannon Dickson Mallorca/Fiuggi Anthony Jobbe - Santa Barbara, Europe, U.S. Mark Landau - Seelisberg, all over switzerland, greece, germany and the US John Gray Switzerland, Nepal, US Conny Larsson - Switzerland Mark Landaus comments: in my memory, conny's time on the job was limited to a few weeks -- i was surprised at how short he lasted, though, in retrospect, i would mark that up to his integrity, sensitivity and what he saw from the get go Claes Appelkvist Switzerland Jacques Verlinde Tom Factor Kirby Childress Bob Cranson John Cowhig Martin Karklins Rig Gelfand Ron Dector Neil Paterson Reinhart Borowitz Carl Heinz and Wolfgang Esch Didrik and Patrick Blad and another brother __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:43 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's one of the wealthiest areas of the country. Presumably this is the sector TM is marketed towards and only 30 a year are taking it in that area? That's a very small amount. I would guess comparison to SSRS's technique would be apropos here--how many do you think he's initiating in the same time period? I would guess many more, maybe hundreds of times more. Unless the other recerts have a similar demographic area in terms of wealth, I'd guess you're right, the same or less, depending on demographics. Otherwise, probably less It looks like TM is truly on the way out. Rather sad, but thanks for the update Michael. Are you trying to take Barry's place here as Master of Inadvertent Irony, Vaj? Have a look at the earlier post Michael referred to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/90043 Oh yeah, I remember that one. I laughed when I read it because really when I was a believer, that's *exactly* what I would've said.Now it's all rather transparent, there's no need to spin it or play apologist, I just laugh when I read this kinda thing. It's also sad that some people are still "burning a candle" for it all. There will always be enablers for the sociopaths and always those who never see beyond the conditioning, the marketing and the spin.And so they spin it again. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Curtis, this is on my list! But, cheapskate that I am, I haven't been able to find a good deal on a used one yet. Glad to hear you read and enjoyed it. On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:11 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: One of the best books I have read this year is called The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. The condition is far more common than I had realized, 1 in 25. Only a tiny percentage of them are criminals. Yep, most never get caught at anything--unless it's perhaps some white-collar crime. Most just operate in society without a conscience. Wherever they are they take delight in tormenting people. Operating without any sense of the reciprocity that binds the rest of us, their contempt for others leaks out even as they try to fit in and hide their agenda. Right, most just live for the thrill of tormenting others, in either petty or much larger ways, whatever they can get away with. One of them is in the White House now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 3:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, according to a friend of his from his undergrad days, he was discussing the possibility that QM would account for Yogic Flying while still an undergrad. Not surprising, since he learned TM when he was high school. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 4:28 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick: I'd really love it if you would go over the list name by name and tell us where they are now and whether they're still doing TM, etc. OK. See below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/6/06 2:53 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: Gerbal, Im curious who you are. I presume youre maintaining anonymity intentionally. Are you on this list of MMYs personal secretaries?: Dr. Hyslop ended up with Sai Baba Dont know if hes still alive. Probably stopped doing TM when he went with Sai Baba. When Maharishi started teaching the sidhi program, he tried to contact Hyslop to tell him what was going on and presumably woo him back. Charlie Lutes Deceased. Jerry Jarvis - he did it intermittently and sporadically. (he Still doing TM but a big Nisargadatta fan. John Black Poland Spring, Estes Park Now Raja Bright Rob McCutcheon Mallorca Faculty member at the University of Oregon. Doing some kind of Tantric meditation practice. Casey Coleman Mallorca Living in a monastic community in California. Ned Wynn - Mallorca -- Not doing TM Billy Clayton Mallorca/Fiuggi Almost certain hes not doing TM. Last I talked with him, he was living at John Grays estate in Marin. Louis Dyson Mallorca/Fiuggi Joined Yogi Bhajan after MMY kicked him out for driving Devendra to the airport. Dont know current status. Shannon Dickson Mallorca/Fiuggi Living in Hawaii. Awakened. Working with Tony Parsons: http://www.theopensecret.com/ Anthony Jobbe - Santa Barbara, Europe, U.S. Never knew him Mark Landau - Seelisberg, all over switzerland, greece, germany and the US Living in Santa Fe. Not doing TM as far as I know. Has been with various spiritual teachers. Most recently, Neelam. John Gray Switzerland, Nepal, US You know his story. Not doing TM. Conny Larsson - Switzerland Went to Sai Baba after leaving the TMO. Now a Sai Baba debunker in Sweden. Claes Appelkvist Switzerland Toothless and old beyond his years. Went to Sai Baba, then drugs. Now living as a recluse in Sweden. Jacques Verlinde Became a fundamentalist Christian and TM critic. Tom Factor Still doing TM. Living in Jackson Hole. Working on wind energy projects and snowboarding. Kirby Childress Went crazy. Probably recovered by now. Bob Cranson On Purusha John Cowhig Working for a guitar company in Canada. Spending lots of time in the woods looking for good pieces of wood. Martin Karklins Living in Ontario. Back into beekeeping. Rig Gelfand Working for MUM Ron Dector Doing fine I suspect. Somewhere in Canada. Was working with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson. Neil Paterson Probably in Vlodrop. Reinhart Borowitz Dont know. Carl Heinz and Dont know. Wolfgang Esch Was married and living in DC. Havent seen him in 19 years. Didrik and Patrick Blad and another brother Dont know. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 4:34 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you. Lillian could be an absolute misery. But when she and I went for long walks, she was actually quite nice and seemed to need a friend. -- She probably thought of herself as GURU and was pissed off that Mahesh was right! -- I heard that she died. Is that true? Yes. Long time ago. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Curtis, OK, found a good deal from Amazon, so it should be on its way tomorrow. On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Hey Sal, It is in all the libraries around here. It is both chilling and comforting. It explains a lot. I think 1 in 100 have diabetes, and we all know someone with that. Here we have 1 in 25, so that pretty much means this is a condition for a few people we know. Probably more than a few, since most of us know at least several thousand at any given time, right? Not well, of course, but as acquaintances. The case histories in the book make you think about your past and people pop up as functioning differently in this odd way. I had always thought of it as a condition like Ted Bundy had or something, the criminals. But they represent just a tiny fraction of the functioning sociopaths. The rest are going about their everyday business like the rest of us, but without the conscience that binds the rest of us in society. Yep, most lead ordinary lives, as the title implies. There is so much mythology out there about this condition and the assumption that you have to be a serious weirdo in order to have it. But all it takes, from the sound of it, is the ability, so to speak, to not feel anything after hurting someone else. I agree with the author, I think it's very prevalent, and I think our callous society encourages it and encourages the people who have it to hide it. Some are dumb, some are smart, just like everyone else. But they are Martians inside and interacting with them always has a peculiar mind-fuck quality. You will love the book since you seem to share my fascination with people's psychologies. I look forward to hearing you take on it when you do! Thanks! This has been a good summer for reading. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 6:15 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the need to point out the cowhig, dector and wilson raised and lost millions and millions of $$ from gullible sidhas for their governors business. Really poor ethics from what I saw. I know one guy who invested his whole inheritance over $300K. Now hes broke. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) n 8/6/06 6:51 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you missed one of my favorite guys from the old days: Steve Sheimer (sp?). Very human and approachable. Yes. Wonderful guy. Im not sure he ever became a personal secretary, but he might have for a while. He was into Sree Maa for years, then doing some Disksha, then died from complications of cancer about a year ago. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 7:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: John Cowhig Working for a guitar company in Canada. Spending lots of time in the woods Ron Dector Doing fine I suspect. Somewhere in Canada. Was working with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson. I feel the need to point out the cowhig, dector and wilson raised and lost millions and millions of $$ from gullible sidhas for their governors business. Really poor ethics from what I saw. Did they lose any of their own money? David Grayson was involved, and he might have had some. The others had been full time in the movement most of their lives. I doubt they did. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Rick, Not sure if this is the same person or not, since I'm not that great with names...but was he married to someone named Beth, with a couple of kids, living out in Seattle, or somewhere else on the West coast? Sal On Aug 6, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: n 8/6/06 6:51 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you missed one of my favorite guys from the old days: Steve Sheimer (sp?). Very human and approachable. Yes. Wonderful guy. I’m not sure he ever became a personal secretary, but he might have for a while. He was into Sree Maa for years, then doing some Disksha, then died from complications of cancer about a year ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) n 8/6/06 7:57 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, thanks for the run-down, Rick. Re: Jerry: Nisargadatta? Is this a guru? I goodled him and that's what it seems? Yes. I use http://www.mpeters.de/nisargadatta/index.cfm as my browsers home page. John Gray Switzerland, Nepal, US You know his story. Not doing TM. I guess I don't know it all. I just assumed he was still doing TM 'cause in one of his early best sellers he referred to MMY as like a father to me. So I'm surprised that he's not meditating regularly...or at all for that matter. His friend Clifford McGuire told me that JG closes his eyes and transcends, but doesnt do TM per se. How about his ex-wife, Barbara? She still TMing? Dont know. John Cowhig Working for a guitar company in Canada. Spending lots of time in the woods looking for good pieces of wood. Still doing TM? Back in '74 when I became a TM teacher, he really had this superior attitude and treated us (the course participants) as untouchables... That surprises me, because I always found him more down-to-earth than most. One time we drove across Switzerland together, from Arosa to Zinal, and he was full of great stories. Fun guy to be with. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 8:03 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing fine I suspect. Somewhere in Canada. Was working with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson. I feel the need to point out the cowhig, dector and wilson raised and lost millions and millions of $$ from gullible sidhas for their governors business. Really poor ethics from what I saw. What business was that? I'm curious. It was called Governors Technologies, and was an attempt to extract oil from Canadas tar sands. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/6/06 8:56 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Not sure if this is the same person or not, since I'm not that great with names...but was he married to someone named Beth, with a couple of kids, living out in Seattle, or somewhere else on the West coast? No. his wife or partner was Kathy Unger. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Number of people learning TM (was: Victory Beef or War?) on 8/5/06 4:13 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sore butts certainly yes. Has anybody developed hernia or any other complication from this.?? Many people have injured knees and backs. My wife had to have surgery on one knee, injured while hopping. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
