Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 8:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you're claiming that we have had some kind of major effect on the House of Saud post-9/11? Where did you get that idea? However, if Iraq can be stabilized and Democracy well established there, the rest of the dictators are on notice because their populations are going to get ideas. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 8:48:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, Iraq was quite prosperous until sanctions were imposed. Poverty wasn't a big problem. Iraq had made great strides in education as well under Saddam. The Sean Penn puppet from Team America, World Police: Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. Medication time, Shemp. No Judy, Shemp was right in his analysis of you above comment. Poverty wasn't much of an issue among Sunnis but it was among Shiia and Kurds.Er, there are plenty of poor Sunnis. Being Sunni made it easier to get into Saddam's good graces than being Kurd or Shiite, but only a fraction of the Sunnis were truely elite. You sure seem to be contradicting your own statement that poverty wasn't a big problem in Iraq, pre sanctions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 10:36:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Duefler report said Saddam was even more dangerous than ever whether he had stock piles or not because he had the ability and determination to have them and he had undermined the sanction process so badly that they would soon collapse. The scuttlebut I heard was that at the last minute Saddam was ready to capitulate to any demands to avoid the invasion. But the mindset of the administration was to go in He was given several deadlines or ultimatums as I recall and he always would push them to the limits. Just as he wouldthrow out inspectors then allow them back and throw them out again.His last offer was that he could leave the country with familyand go where ever he wanted and take whatever money he wanted. Bush didn't play games with the deadlines. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/21/06 3:03:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, drpetersutphen@ writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expand outward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive! How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Try reading what he said. He is implying that without oil we would go back to the horse and buggy era. Not so MacGurk. I think he's stating the obvious that the use of oil -- which I, you and he and everyone else on this forum consumes in abundance -- has enabled alot of positive things. Speaking for myself, if a cleaner and more efficient alternative is available I will abandon my patronage of the Mobil Station down the block and give my greenbacks to the new guy in town. That means you are buying at Exxon. I have zero loyalty to the oil companies above and beyond their ability to provide me with the gasoline I need to power my Toyota Corolla (which gets me 31 miles to the gallon, city and highway combined). But you sure defend them a lot. Be sure to rent Who Killed the Electric Car when it comes out on DVD this coming month. You'll learn we could have had that cleaner alternative some time ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/06 1:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expand outward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive! And Nooz, we can't get there without going through what we already have. I have nothing against moving forward with other sources of energy as they are developed. The economy we have created today is the basis of future development and future technologies. There is no use in crying over spilled milk. That is known a defeatist attitude. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/06 2:21:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Try reading what he said. He is implying that without oil we would go back to the horse and buggy era. Not so MacGurk. Not at all Nooz. I was saying all of our current standard of living is based on an economy and the technologies of the oil industries. Had we never had that economy or those technologies we would have still been riding in horse and buggies to this day. Just as the horse and buggies were made obsolete hopefully combustion engines will also be obsolete. I'm just not for throwing them out until we have something better to replace them with and currently, we don't. You don't know that. There were inventors in the 19th century that got their inventions bought or shoved aside so the oligarchy could stay in power. There is no way of knowing what we might have if it had not been for their interference. For one thing many cities might actually have practical and efficient mass transit. But no, there was too much money in selling people cars that became obsolete in 10 years or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/06 2:30:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think he's stating the obvious that the use of oil -- which I, you and he and everyone else on this forum consumes in abundance -- has enabled alot of positive things. Speaking for myself, if a cleaner and more efficient alternative is available I will abandon my patronage of the Mobil Station down the block and give my greenbacks to the new guy in town. I have zero loyalty to the oil companies above and beyond their ability to provide me with the gasoline I need to power my Toyota Corolla (which gets me 31 miles to the gallon, city and highway combined). Bingo Shemp! Shemp doesn't do bingo, obviously he plays cards as he thinks he's the joker. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/06 2:21:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Try reading what he said. He is implying that without oil we would go back to the horse and buggy era. Not so MacGurk. Not at all Nooz. I was saying all of our current standard of living is based on an economy and the technologies of the oil industries. Had we never had that economy or those technologies we would have still been riding in horse and buggies to this day. Just as the horse and buggies were made obsolete hopefully combustion engines will also be obsolete. I'm just not for throwing them out until we have something better to replace them with and currently, we don't. ...and if it's the oil companies who provide these new, more efficient, cleaner alternatives: MORE POWER TO THEM! And it will be in the oil companies' interest that they start defining themselves as energy companies and not just oil companies. This is the mistake that the railroads made at the turn of the century: they saw themselves not just as transport companies but as railroad companies and, as such, lost out to long-haul trucking, cars, and airplanes. I'm all for breaking up the oil companies and maybe even nationalizing them. Seems to be if you think oil is so important then it makes sense to make it part of the commons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/06 2:30:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think he's stating the obvious that the use of oil -- which I, you and he and everyone else on this forum consumes in abundance -- has enabled alot of positive things. Speaking for myself, if a cleaner and more efficient alternative is available I will abandon my patronage of the Mobil Station down the block and give my greenbacks to the new guy in town. I have zero loyalty to the oil companies above and beyond their ability to provide me with the gasoline I need to power my Toyota Corolla (which gets me 31 miles to the gallon, city and highway combined). Bingo Shemp! Unlike general elections where one only gets to show, through the ballot box, one's approval for an elected representative every 4 years (or whatever), I get to vote with my dollars every day whether the supplier of my groceries, energy and services are giving me value. If they don't, I stop voting for them. That's why the truest democracy is the free market. Free market economies don't seem to work very well though. It's sort of a Victorian Age thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bhairitu wrote:You don't know that. There were inventors in the 19th century that got their inventions bought or shoved aside so the oligarchy could stay in power. There is no way of knowing what we might have if it had not been for their interference. For one thing many cities might actually have practical and efficient mass transit. But no, there was too much money in selling people cars that became obsolete in 10 years or less. Boy ain't that the truth. I've heard stories for many years of people with incredible energy inventions who were just bought out and silenced by either wealthy sheiks or Big Oil.The amazing thing to me is that in WW II, one landlocked country completely turned over their economy and created a vehicle that originally ran on ethanol, the car of the people, the Volkswagen. If the Nazis could do it *then* you can't tell me we couldn't do it today. Such are the crimes against humanity of a government run by corporations. Hell, the original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You don't know that. There were inventors in the 19th century that got their inventions bought or shoved aside so the oligarchy could stay in power. There is no way of knowing what we might have if it had not been for their interference. For one thing many cities might actually have practical and efficient mass transit. But no, there was too much money in selling people cars that became obsolete in 10 years or less. Boy ain't that the truth. I've heard stories for many years of people with incredible energy inventions who were just bought out and silenced by either wealthy sheiks or Big Oil. The amazing thing to me is that in WW II, one landlocked country completely turned over their economy and created a vehicle that originally ran on ethanol, the car of the people, the Volkswagen. If the Nazis could do it *then* you can't tell me we couldn't do it today. Such are the crimes against humanity of a government run by corporations. Hell, the original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil! Okay, fellas, please tell us what exactly all these supressed inventions were that were so great. And, by the way, once you expose these great inventions, keep in mind that patents are only good for 20 years. That means that all the info that makes them great are in the public domain so nothing stops you all from cashing in on them. So, please, tell us. FFL and the rest of humanity is waiting with baited breasts... Those who have seen Who Killed the Electric Car will know one invention right away that was suppressed: a much more efficient battery for electric cars. If my memory serves me right GM (or one of the car companies) bought the rights to the battery from the inventor who is interviewed in the film and shows his invention. When they suppressed it he got the rights back and they are now used in modified Toyota Prius's which can get up to 250 mpg. They store more electricity than the ones that come with the Prius. However at the moment modifying the Prius with hack voids the warranty. This hack would make a Prius practical for anyone like me who does not do enough freeway driving to keep the batteries charged. Instead you can charge them at home. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You don't know that. There were inventors in the 19th century that got their inventions bought or shoved aside so the oligarchy could stay in power. There is no way of knowing what we might have if it had not been for their interference. For one thing many cities might actually have practical and efficient mass transit. But no, there was too much money in selling people cars that became obsolete in 10 years or less. Boy ain't that the truth. I've heard stories for many years of people with incredible energy inventions who were just bought out and silenced by either wealthy sheiks or Big Oil. The amazing thing to me is that in WW II, one landlocked country completely turned over their economy and created a vehicle that originally ran on ethanol, the car of the people, the Volkswagen. If the Nazis could do it *then* you can't tell me we couldn't do it today. Such are the crimes against humanity of a government run by corporations. Hell, the original diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil! Okay, fellas, please tell us what exactly all these supressed inventions were that were so great. And, by the way, once you expose these great inventions, keep in mind that patents are only good for 20 years. That means that all the info that makes them great are in the public domain so nothing stops you all from cashing in on them. So, please, tell us. FFL and the rest of humanity is waiting with baited breasts... Those who have seen Who Killed the Electric Car will know one invention right away that was suppressed: a much more efficient battery for electric cars. If my memory serves me right GM (or one of the car companies) bought the rights to the battery from the inventor who is interviewed in the film and shows his invention. When they suppressed it he got the rights back If he got his rights back (which indicates that he had sold them away), the evil GM would have been willing to sell it back to him. Why would the evil GM do that if they were in the throes of conspiring to keep such wonderful technology away from humankind? See the film. and they are now used in modified Toyota Prius's which can get up to 250 mpg. ...and Toyota is making a killing off of Prius, which is an electric/oil hybrid. So where's the conspiracy if this is the wave of the future? See the film. They store more electricity than the ones that come with the Prius. However at the moment modifying the Prius with hack voids the warranty. ...and it voids the warranty because if Toyota didn't void the warranty, they could be subject to 100s of millions of dollars in liability if someone gets killed because of the hack. No conspiracy there. I don't know what I have to do to convince you of this but Toyota would probably pay $1 billion to get their hands on technology that gave a car 250mpg because they could charge what they wanted for such a car and wouldn't be able to sell them fast enough. Again, where's the conspiracy? See the film and your questions will be answered. This hack would make a Prius practical for anyone like me who does not do enough freeway driving to keep the batteries charged. Instead you can charge them at home. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/21/06 3:03:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly donot fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem.Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's forShemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expandoutward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/06 3:03:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expand outward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/06 3:03:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expand outward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive! How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Try reading what he said. He is implying that without oil we would go back to the horse and buggy era. Not so MacGurk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 12:53:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee, what an enlightened outlook all of a sudden from the US who had no problem currently or previously supporting Mubarak in Egypt- military dictatorship, The House of Saud- oligargical dictatorship, Shah of Iran- dictatorship, and Saddam in Iraq- dictatorship. Ah yes, the freedom we yearn for in the Middle East! Alarming naivete.The only thing we want in Iraq is a puppet government that gives us reliable access to Iraqi oil, without creating waves in the Middle East. A stable dictatorship would be just fine with Cheney/Bush. Yes Mubarak, the House of Saud, The Shah and Saddam were all pre 9/11. All dictators or monarchs that have suppressed their people and created the very climate that Jihad can grow in. Thank God Almighty thatBush and those in his administration have recognized this and are willing to try to correct mistakes of previous administrations. Your cynicism is justifiedby history yet you have nothing but contempt and anger for the one person that is willing to try to correct the mistakes of the past and initiate freedom and democracy to a region of the world that has been trapped in the past for 1300 years. Any other politician would have been content to leave the place alone and deal with whatever comes out of it. Had Bush/Cheney wanted a strong dictatorship in Iraq they could have set one up as mean and nasty as Saddam and willing to give them a cut of Iraqi oil, but they didn't. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 1:31:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive!How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Shemp , he can't, he's just assuming. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 1:52:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, Iraq was quite prosperous until sanctions were imposed. Poverty wasn't a big problem. Iraq had made great strides in education as well under Saddam. The Sean Penn puppet from Team America, World Police: Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.Medication time, Shemp. No Judy, Shemp was right in his analysis of you above comment. Poverty wasn't much of an issue among Sunnis but it was among Shiia and Kurds. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 1:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) Right DrPete. Look around you right now and tell me what you would have without oil and oil products. But don't' stop there, your immediate environment, let it expand outward to your house, office, neighborhood, city, state, country etc. Hope you like horse and buggies and everything else 19th century and before. Very typical that you regressives would think things would go backward. We can move forward to renewable sources of energy and new technologies for transportation rather than be stuck in the messy muck of oil. Think progressive or better yet aggressive! And Nooz, we can't get there without going through what we already have. I have nothing against moving forward with other sources of energy as they are developed. The economy we have created today is the basis of future development and future technologies.There is no use in crying over spilled milk. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 2:21:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is what MDixon saying contradicting the desire for alternative modes of energy? Try reading what he said. He is implying that without oil we would go back to the horse and buggy era. Not so MacGurk. Not at all Nooz. I was saying all of our current standard of living is based on an economy and the technologies of the oil industries. Had we never had that economy or those technologies we would have still been riding in horse and buggies to this day. Just as the horse and buggies were made obsolete hopefully combustion engines will also be obsolete. I'm just not for throwing them out until we have something better to replace them with and currently, we don't. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 2:30:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think he's stating the obvious that the use of oil -- which I, you and he and everyone else on this forum consumes in abundance -- has enabled alot of positive things.Speaking for myself, if a cleaner and more efficient alternative is available I will abandon my patronage of the Mobil Station down the block and give my greenbacks to the new guy in town.I have zero loyalty to the oil companies above and beyond their ability to provide me with the gasoline I need to power my Toyota Corolla (which gets me 31 miles to the gallon, city and highway combined). Bingo Shemp! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 4:39:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The overwhelming reason we are there today is to create a democracy in a region that is traditionally held by dictators or absolute monarchies that have a reason to suppress their people and keep them ignorant and in poverty so as to be able to maintain their own power.Uh, that's not how it was billed. Right, it was billed as removing WMD's, but certainly you didn't' think we were going to leave Saddam Hussein in power since we had an official policy of regime change or just leave the place without setting up a democratic government that would work with us. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
In a message dated 10/22/06 6:57:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dix,Let me ask you the same question Tim Russert asked Jim Talent R-Missouri during a debate with his D- Challenger. "If you knew then, what you know now about going to war in Iraq, would you still have done it" He answered "yes". HMMM. Yes, but differently and maybe not at the same time. Saddam had to go. Had we not gone in, everybody would be second guessing to this day whether he had the WMDs or not. The Duefler report said Saddam was even more dangerous than ever whether he had stock piles or not because he had the ability and determination to have them and he had undermined the sanction process so badly that they would soon collapse. Just think what he would be doing right now if his sanction had collapsed, with the price of oil it is now and him pumping it at record levels. Iran, one of his mortal enemies, building nuclear weapons next door to him. Would he not feel justified in reconstituting any WMD's programs he had just as India was justified when Pakistan developed the bomb? Yes, Saddam was militarily contained but he was trouble waiting to happen. Being militarily contained was all the more reason for him to support groups like Hamas or Heezbullah with Syria. Iranian rockets and missiles smuggled through Syria with the possibility of Iraqi nerve gas on them. That would have been a nightmarethis past summer. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, The Greatest Demonic Force on Earth
--- suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1982, I was sitting on the grass having lunch with a group of people in front of one of the frats when the topic of oil came up and I mentioned that I believed oil with all its economic, enviromental and poltical implications was one of the greatest demonic forces on the planet. This just before Christmas break so after the vacation, this guy comes up to me and tells me a story about how one of the guys who happened to be in the group discussing oil who heard my comment was the son of an Exxon oil executive. They lived in the wealthy area of South Hampton, Long Island, New York and it happened that a big Christmas party was given for the big oil heads at this guys house. Well, over dinner at the table when the discussion of oil came up, this MIU student said, There's this guy at the college I'm attending who said that oil is the greatest demonic force on the planet. There was a long silence. I don't quite get your point. You think that oil is the greatest demonic force on earth and your comment was repeated at a Christmas party attended by oil executives. So what. Why do you see oil as demonic and exactly what do you mean by demonic. I used the word demonic in a destructive sense--perfectly inimical with all biological natural processes. Metaphysically speaking, if you consider hell as existing within the earth and oil as a lower vibration creation of the demonic forces within the earth, then consider the extraction of oil from these hellish, demonic regions as bringing it's foul influence onto the surface. Scientifically speaking, petroleum with all its secondary creations such as fuel, plastics, agrichemicals, tar, chemicals, etc., are perfectly opposed to life here on this planet as we know it. Our world infrastructure is almost entirely built on petroleum which makes you thinkis there a demonic conspiracy working very diligently to end life on earth as we know it. Interesting take. Oil and its products certainly do not fit or adapt benignly to the earths ecosystem. Demon sauce; Devil soup! Republican mush! (that's for Shemp and MDixon) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
